One small addition about being too early or too late. I have also experienced that being more than 5 minutes late is perceived as rude. However, in Canton of Vaud, we also have an expression that is: "le quart d'heure vaudois", which is basically a tolerance up to 15 minutes late, then it is really considered rude even if you apology when you arrive. If you know/believe that you could be late, it is really recommended to inform the others before even if you will be late only for few minutes. Also when you are late for a work meeting, when you arrive you, the "good" way to handle it is to either sit, keep quiet and let the speaker continue to speak without any interruption, (you can make a sign with the head or the hand to say hello/apology) Or you apology for being late without giving any reason for the late arrival and then you sit and keep quiet. If you are the meeting leader/presenter and the attendees were waiting for you, you apology still without giving any reason for the late arrival, you thanks them for having waited for you and you directly start your presentation. You hav noticed that in the train station and in the train itself, the announce any late arrival and they give a reason, but this is not something common in work environment. I talk here with my own experience as a Swiss french person only. Other persons might experience other way of handling those situations. We are works with various people and have a big cultural diversity in Switzerland.
Funny story, if there is a soccer game Germany vs. Italy, the german part of switzerland will be mostly rooting for italy and the italian part will be mostly supporting germany... i think the similiarity between us swiss germans and the "regular" german is creating some sort of animosity...
We speak swiss, not german *cough cough Yeah, some swiss are more open and say it's just a dialect. But for others it might be rude to say it's the same language. I consider swiss to be its own language. But I totally agree with the rest. Especially the loud talking. Regarding the wine, I think that's something that really depends on the occasion. But yes, ususally say thanks and put it away (also for other stuff, not just wine, choclates etc.). And since our country works on being punctual, every abnormality is considered rude because you bring everything out of order. e.g. coming to late for dinner: The food might get cold. Being to early for a meeting: No one else is ready and they might get under pressure... There are many reasons why you shouldn't be too early or too late. But even here it depends on the situation. 5 minutes too late for a party, dinner or else is just "ok". But even 1 minute to late for a job interview is a biiiiig No No. So big that you probably won't get the job after all.
hahahah! But...everything written officially is still German..so... hehehe Same with where I come from. Job interviews and official events, late is a big no no but with friends it's pretty relax though I am one of the on time ones. hehe
I agree, Swiss German isa dialect, linguistically. But as a kid I was not able to understand High German, so for me nowadays, reading or listening to High German is easy, but when it comes to writing or even speaking it, it is still like a foreign language.
Being early to them is considered RUDE.... being a bit late is still considered RUDE to them then I would LOVE to see them go to some of the countries in Africa, for example, Algeria, and scheduled to meet a tour guide at 1:00 p.m. but ended up waiting for 3 hours until he shows up. That would be LOVELY for the Swiss.
In America, we are flexible and understanding. if you are going to be late to work and it doesn't matter how late you will be as long as you call to let your boss know ahead of time that you going to be late then he/she will forgive you and think nothing else. It's different on a personal level, for example, if you going to meet a friend or be at a family gathering, we do not mind if you are few minutes late as long as you call in to let them know when you can be there then it's all-forgiving. We have a different view between being late to work or be late to work-related meetings and meeting a friend or a family gathering. We took a more serious approach when it's work-related than with a personal level.
As far as I know people from almost every country are more or less offended when they are called from a different country. I heard that it is even more offensive when I call a Korean Japanese. I personally do not mind if you call me German or whatever. But I do like Switzerland. I have that in common with many swill people. I normally don't see Swiss getting offended. Perhaps we are a bit passive aggressive but not openly offended. But I've seen two situations where my fellow citizens were actually offended. Not in a lasting way but still. 1. When someone says we only have three official languages. Nobody can take away our forth official language! 2. At school (university/electrical engineering) we had a Chinese teacher. And once she asked us a question about something and only few responded. She then said, that's the problem with democracy. I've never seen any group of people react like my class did. All were like, are you seriously saying that a dictatorship is better because you don't get the response you like?
Love you sharing your experiences! Yes, Korean and Japanese is because of their history. I read a book called Pachinko, if you love reading, that may give you an insight. Great story telling too! Nah...I'm often being guessed from all the wrong countries and I'm fine with it..hehe I agree with you, I think the Swiss just don't show that they have been offended! hahah
@@dawnforlifeThanks, I will put that book on my reading list. I'm not sure if Swiss don't show that they are offended or if they are not offended. It most likely depends on the environment. I'm mostly around engineers and churchgoers. And they don't seem too offended at most things. But of course not every Swiss is the same. I personally think Swiss people like to know the world and if they meet someone new then they won't care about different customs. But of course there are things that we will find strange or even offensive. Talking lout is the one most people know. But disregarding private property or catching wild animals to eat are other things that we don't like. Or if you push a big stone that it falls into a ravine. Basically everything that invades the personal space or that goes against protecting nature is not liked by a general Swiss person. How this specifically looks like will depend a bit on the person and on how it is done. But if you are polite then most things are forgiven.
I'm Thai-Muslim, so I don't look so Thai to foreigners with certain images of people from Thailand. I got everything from Malaysian (Half a point for that as Thai-Muslim is basically Malaysian by blood.), Filipino mostly, all the way to Japanese and Mexican! Just when I smile way too much and be overly friendly that people was like, "oh, you're Thai!" 🤣
Hey hello, I'm from northern Italy, yeah here usually when someone brings a bottle of wine, as a whole in the gathering everybody votes on what to drink before, during or even after a meal if there is more then one bottle or in some special occasions people just pass around the bottles to who wants to drink what because here often times (food traditions aside) everyone here has their own preferences in wine, nobody gets offended if the wine isn't to anyones liking.
Ahhh I love your country! Thanks for sharing your culture! I always find it so interesting how people do very similar things so very differently from one place to another! 😊
An addition to a dog in the train: They are only allowed to be put on a seat if they are in an appropriate box. They are otherwise not allowed to be on a seat (but still have to have a ticket).
Heythanks for the video. Its fun to see how other people look at us. If you are at University or at the hospital,and you are the professor or the doctor, being 15 minutes late is still ok. If you are the patient even 2 minutes late is rude, and 7 minutes late can lead to no-treatment plus a 40 Franc bill. 🥴😬😪
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@@dawnforlife Thank you for replying. I'm suffering from tropical steroid addiction now because of usage of high potent steroid over 13 years. My skin will get flare up and oozing skin when I stopping it. I see your previous video and I agree that you need to control your diet in order to heal your body. Alot people suffering from tropical steroid addiction still get flare up occasionally. Your skin seems to do quite amazing, so you don't get flare up at all now?
Hi Dawn I like watching your channel. It's interesting and very informative. Also, you got a very sweet personality and I like to support you. You got a new Sub.
Yes we love our country, we speak a dialect of German, we just call it Swiss German. The “Du” ( informal), and Sie (formal) comes from the German language, it’s not a Swiss thing, it’s just the way German is, just like in Italian and French. It’s Mr Smith and when you get to know someone it’s John.
Do we really need to live a life so calculated ? Like arriving 10 minutes early is a problem and arriving 10 mins late is a problem. What is that a life or a time machine? Very constipating stuff
Hahah! I understand how you feel and it is indeed very different from where I come from but I see it in a more beautiful light though. I see it as being very respectful of not just others' time but time in itself, which I truly feel is something cultures like mine that makes being late ok (which can be frustrating too) learn from the Swiss culture and the Swiss to learn to let loose a little :)
Ciao! Yes, usually we (they? I hate wine 😜) open the bottle of wine brought by the host, but it depends. If it doesn't fit with the menu you just put it away, no hard feelings. Dogs pay half on Italian trains too. In Italy we have the same difference formal/informal language, i.e. mister+surname/first name and a different subject and verb. We are supposed to be friendly etc., but there is this complicated system in relationships. For example, if I become friend with a person older than me at the dog park, whom everybody else calls by name, should I do the same? Do I need the person to ask me to do it? You get the picture.
Hey Lily! Thanks for sharing! I love intercultural differences! Very interesting with the dog park example. Do you think there is a generation difference there? For example mayyyybe the younger generation wouldn't care as much about being formal?
Thanks for the heads up! I’m doing my research, when/if I get to be an expat there one day. And having someone from there tell me that takes some of the stress out.
we have 4 national languages: Swissgerman (not German), French, Italien, Romanish. BUT aside from that (almost) everyone is fluent in German, because it’s our so called „literary-language“, which we start learning quite early in school or even in kindergarten. and in most cantons we learn English and French in „Primarschule“ (primar-school, ~7-12 years old) and „Oberstufe“ (upper-grade, ~13-15 years old). which language in which grade, depends on the canton. if you go to the „Gymnasium“ (grammar-school) you can chose to learn Latin, Italien or Spanish as well.
Thank you for the thorough explanation. Took me sometime to get around the names. A gymnasium where I come from, are like for sports/physical education. hehe interesting!
That's totally stupid. If you are just a few minutes late, they hate you for it, and if you a few minutes early they still hate you for it!!!! gosh!!! Are they PERFECT!!!! I think NOT.
Sorry, But try to think that we have different Cantons. I am from Tessin and we have different mentality. I live now in Thugau and the mentality here is diffent than the Swiss Italian. Remember always we have Swiss Italian, Swiss French, Swiss German and Swiss Romanchia. Try to travel more and you will know it.
hehe yup! Totally but I'm living here so I'm definitely speaking from my experience in this part of Switzerland. Love my trip to Ascona! Can't wait to visit again =)
I am an Indian so i can understand this. India is not a quite place , because it has lots of traffic, cars honking, noisy machine, and its a hot place so we require fans and Air conditioner (AC) which also creates some noise so we have to be louder than those noises to communicate
@@kunal7437 yes but Switzerland is quite and fresh air they talk calm and enjoy 😂😂😂😂. When they start talking they disturb all passengers. Especially the people are taking trains to work 6 in morning even worse 😂😂😂😂
One small addition about being too early or too late. I have also experienced that being more than 5 minutes late is perceived as rude. However, in Canton of Vaud, we also have an expression that is: "le quart d'heure vaudois", which is basically a tolerance up to 15 minutes late, then it is really considered rude even if you apology when you arrive. If you know/believe that you could be late, it is really recommended to inform the others before even if you will be late only for few minutes.
Also when you are late for a work meeting, when you arrive you, the "good" way to handle it is to either sit, keep quiet and let the speaker continue to speak without any interruption, (you can make a sign with the head or the hand to say hello/apology)
Or
you apology for being late without giving any reason for the late arrival and then you sit and keep quiet.
If you are the meeting leader/presenter and the attendees were waiting for you, you apology still without giving any reason for the late arrival, you thanks them for having waited for you and you directly start your presentation.
You hav noticed that in the train station and in the train itself, the announce any late arrival and they give a reason, but this is not something common in work environment. I talk here with my own experience as a Swiss french person only. Other persons might experience other way of handling those situations. We are works with various people and have a big cultural diversity in Switzerland.
Super interesting!!! Thank you SO much for sharing with me! I really love learning from you! =)
Funny story, if there is a soccer game Germany vs. Italy, the german part of switzerland will be mostly rooting for italy and the italian part will be mostly supporting germany... i think the similiarity between us swiss germans and the "regular" german is creating some sort of animosity...
hehehe that's funny! I love your comments! I learn a lot from it :)
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@@olakedemude7471 it is! So funny! :p
We speak swiss, not german *cough cough
Yeah, some swiss are more open and say it's just a dialect. But for others it might be rude to say it's the same language. I consider swiss to be its own language.
But I totally agree with the rest. Especially the loud talking. Regarding the wine, I think that's something that really depends on the occasion. But yes, ususally say thanks and put it away (also for other stuff, not just wine, choclates etc.).
And since our country works on being punctual, every abnormality is considered rude because you bring everything out of order. e.g. coming to late for dinner: The food might get cold. Being to early for a meeting: No one else is ready and they might get under pressure... There are many reasons why you shouldn't be too early or too late. But even here it depends on the situation. 5 minutes too late for a party, dinner or else is just "ok". But even 1 minute to late for a job interview is a biiiiig No No. So big that you probably won't get the job after all.
hahahah! But...everything written officially is still German..so... hehehe
Same with where I come from. Job interviews and official events, late is a big no no but with friends it's pretty relax though I am one of the on time ones. hehe
@@dawnforlife yes that's true... Imagine every dialect being written. Wallis/Bern for example 🤮😂
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I agree, Swiss German isa dialect, linguistically. But as a kid I was not able to understand High German, so for me nowadays, reading or listening to High German is easy, but when it comes to writing or even speaking it, it is still like a foreign language.
Too early is “too”, going to the car is “to”. Just for your info. :) lol.
Being early to them is considered RUDE.... being a bit late is still considered RUDE to them then I would LOVE to see them go to some of the countries in Africa, for example, Algeria, and scheduled to meet a tour guide at 1:00 p.m. but ended up waiting for 3 hours until he shows up. That would be LOVELY for the Swiss.
They seem to be more forgiving when not IN Switzerland though. haha! But 3 hours will make me as a Malaysian boiling too 🥴
In America, we are flexible and understanding. if you are going to be late to work and it doesn't matter how late you will be as long as you call to let your boss know ahead of time that you going to be late then he/she will forgive you and think nothing else. It's different on a personal level, for example, if you going to meet a friend or be at a family gathering, we do not mind if you are few minutes late as long as you call in to let them know when you can be there then it's all-forgiving. We have a different view between being late to work or be late to work-related meetings and meeting a friend or a family gathering. We took a more serious approach when it's work-related than with a personal level.
As far as I know people from almost every country are more or less offended when they are called from a different country. I heard that it is even more offensive when I call a Korean Japanese. I personally do not mind if you call me German or whatever. But I do like Switzerland. I have that in common with many swill people.
I normally don't see Swiss getting offended. Perhaps we are a bit passive aggressive but not openly offended. But I've seen two situations where my fellow citizens were actually offended. Not in a lasting way but still.
1. When someone says we only have three official languages. Nobody can take away our forth official language!
2. At school (university/electrical engineering) we had a Chinese teacher. And once she asked us a question about something and only few responded. She then said, that's the problem with democracy. I've never seen any group of people react like my class did. All were like, are you seriously saying that a dictatorship is better because you don't get the response you like?
Love you sharing your experiences! Yes, Korean and Japanese is because of their history. I read a book called Pachinko, if you love reading, that may give you an insight. Great story telling too!
Nah...I'm often being guessed from all the wrong countries and I'm fine with it..hehe
I agree with you, I think the Swiss just don't show that they have been offended! hahah
@@dawnforlifeThanks, I will put that book on my reading list.
I'm not sure if Swiss don't show that they are offended or if they are not offended. It most likely depends on the environment. I'm mostly around engineers and churchgoers. And they don't seem too offended at most things. But of course not every Swiss is the same.
I personally think Swiss people like to know the world and if they meet someone new then they won't care about different customs. But of course there are things that we will find strange or even offensive. Talking lout is the one most people know. But disregarding private property or catching wild animals to eat are other things that we don't like. Or if you push a big stone that it falls into a ravine. Basically everything that invades the personal space or that goes against protecting nature is not liked by a general Swiss person. How this specifically looks like will depend a bit on the person and on how it is done. But if you are polite then most things are forgiven.
I'm Thai-Muslim, so I don't look so Thai to foreigners with certain images of people from Thailand. I got everything from Malaysian (Half a point for that as Thai-Muslim is basically Malaysian by blood.), Filipino mostly, all the way to Japanese and Mexican! Just when I smile way too much and be overly friendly that people was like, "oh, you're Thai!" 🤣
Hey hello, I'm from northern Italy, yeah here usually when someone brings a bottle of wine, as a whole in the gathering everybody votes on what to drink before, during or even after a meal if there is more then one bottle or in some special occasions people just pass around the bottles to who wants to drink what because here often times (food traditions aside) everyone here has their own preferences in wine, nobody gets offended if the wine isn't to anyones liking.
Ahhh I love your country! Thanks for sharing your culture! I always find it so interesting how people do very similar things so very differently from one place to another! 😊
An addition to a dog in the train: They are only allowed to be put on a seat if they are in an appropriate box. They are otherwise not allowed to be on a seat (but still have to have a ticket).
I see! I guess it makes sense since they might get the seat dirty?
Thank u for the information, it helps! Good video and explaination. Wow i always be too early on every meeting.
Earlybis definitely better than late though hehe
Heythanks for the video. Its fun to see how other people look at us.
If you are at University or at the hospital,and you are the professor or the doctor, being 15 minutes late is still ok. If you are the patient even 2 minutes late is rude, and 7 minutes late can lead to no-treatment plus a 40 Franc bill. 🥴😬😪
Hi, I want to ask questions regard your eczema. How long it's take for your weeping eczema to heal back to normal??
Hey, it was about 4 months for my skin to appear normal again but it was still sensitive to allergens and the sun the following few years - could have some rash here and there. But when it comes to healing, I hope you'll keep in mind that different people heal differently and it takes time. Do be patient :)
@@dawnforlife Thank you for replying. I'm suffering from tropical steroid addiction now because of usage of high potent steroid over 13 years. My skin will get flare up and oozing skin when I stopping it. I see your previous video and I agree that you need to control your diet in order to heal your body. Alot people suffering from tropical steroid addiction still get flare up occasionally. Your skin seems to do quite amazing, so you don't get flare up at all now?
Hi Dawn I like watching your channel. It's interesting and very informative. Also, you got a very sweet personality and I like to support you. You got a new Sub.
Thank you for your support! I love having you here and learning about your thoughts and culture! 😊
Yes we love our country, we speak a dialect of German, we just call it Swiss German. The “Du” ( informal), and Sie (formal) comes from the German language, it’s not a Swiss thing, it’s just the way German is, just like in Italian and French. It’s Mr Smith and when you get to know someone it’s John.
Hey dawn! Your videos are cool and funny! I love your accent ☺️
hahah! Yay! Thank you! So, I DO have an accent! :p
dawn for life yes a funny asian accent ☺️
@@motortschunke hahahaha yes! It's Malaysian accent I believe hahahaha :p
I'm happy you like it though :p
you are punctual if you’re 2-3 minutes to early
Very precise ;)
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You are full of praise and loveliness! 😘 Thank you! 🥰💛
Do we really need to live a life so calculated ? Like arriving 10 minutes early is a problem and arriving 10 mins late is a problem. What is that a life or a time machine? Very constipating stuff
Hahah! I understand how you feel and it is indeed very different from where I come from but I see it in a more beautiful light though.
I see it as being very respectful of not just others' time but time in itself, which I truly feel is something cultures like mine that makes being late ok (which can be frustrating too) learn from the Swiss culture and the Swiss to learn to let loose a little :)
The story you told is extremely interesting and useful. Thanks
Thank you 😊
Ciao! Yes, usually we (they? I hate wine 😜) open the bottle of wine brought by the host, but it depends. If it doesn't fit with the menu you just put it away, no hard feelings.
Dogs pay half on Italian trains too.
In Italy we have the same difference formal/informal language, i.e. mister+surname/first name and a different subject and verb. We are supposed to be friendly etc., but there is this complicated system in relationships. For example, if I become friend with a person older than me at the dog park, whom everybody else calls by name, should I do the same? Do I need the person to ask me to do it? You get the picture.
Hey Lily! Thanks for sharing! I love intercultural differences!
Very interesting with the dog park example. Do you think there is a generation difference there? For example mayyyybe the younger generation wouldn't care as much about being formal?
I learned you should be about 15 minutes early to everything. I thought being exactly on time was rude. I lived in Switzerland for all my life.
Thanks for the heads up! I’m doing my research, when/if I get to be an expat there one day. And having someone from there tell me that takes some of the stress out.
If someone should get somewhere at a certain time it’s rude to leave people waiting.
we have 4 national languages: Swissgerman (not German), French, Italien, Romanish.
BUT aside from that (almost) everyone is fluent in German, because it’s our so called „literary-language“, which we start learning quite early in school or even in kindergarten.
and in most cantons we learn English and French in „Primarschule“ (primar-school, ~7-12 years old) and „Oberstufe“ (upper-grade, ~13-15 years old). which language in which grade, depends on the canton. if you go to the „Gymnasium“ (grammar-school) you can chose to learn Latin, Italien or Spanish as well.
Thank you for the thorough explanation. Took me sometime to get around the names. A gymnasium where I come from, are like for sports/physical education. hehe interesting!
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OMGoosh they are such extreme robotic.
Maybe not all are like that though 😆
They are very compulsive and passive aggressive
hahah! I think they can certainly appear that way. I'm still trying to get to know them better. :D
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That's totally stupid. If you are just a few minutes late, they hate you for it, and if you a few minutes early they still hate you for it!!!! gosh!!! Are they PERFECT!!!! I think NOT.
hahhah! I know! I think always better early than late though 😅
Very nice video. U seem super nice
Thank you! And you are super kind =)
8 Stutz demit de Hund mitfahre dörf 🤦🏽♂️
Sorry, But try to think that we have different Cantons. I am from Tessin and we have different mentality.
I live now in Thugau and the mentality here is diffent than the Swiss Italian. Remember always we have Swiss Italian, Swiss French, Swiss German and Swiss Romanchia. Try to travel more and you will know it.
hehe yup! Totally but I'm living here so I'm definitely speaking from my experience in this part of Switzerland. Love my trip to Ascona! Can't wait to visit again =)
Indian and Chinese tourist are so loud in train 😂😂🔊🔊🔊
HAHAHA! I think in many cases yes! haha but I've experienced a bunch of drunks from UK, pretty loud too! hahaha
UK people are so loud when they are drunk agree with you 🤣😂😂😂
@@kahnjanm3376HAHAHAHAHA!
I am an Indian so i can understand this. India is not a quite place , because it has lots of traffic, cars honking, noisy machine, and its a hot place so we require fans and Air conditioner (AC) which also creates some noise so we have to be louder than those noises to communicate
@@kunal7437 yes but Switzerland is quite and fresh air they talk calm and enjoy 😂😂😂😂.
When they start talking they disturb all passengers.
Especially the people are taking trains to work 6 in morning even worse 😂😂😂😂