Bruce Grobelaar told me this at a dinner party 12 years ago. Liverpool's downfall was due to Dalglish leaving and one of the biggest reasons Dalglish left Liverpool was he wanted to sign Alan Shearer at Liverpool, but he did not get the financial backing from management. Hence, he left Liverpool to manage Blackburn and his first major signing was guess who? Alan Shearer.
Nicol is 100% right about the 4-4 draw against Everton being the beginning of the end. Even a ten year-old me knew that wasn't normal for a club that previously dominated.
I think the appointment of Graeme Souness led to the downfall. He rushed into changing players, to sell players of the quality of Staunton and Houghton and buy players like Dicks,Ruddock and Stewart.
Souness was a head of his time and knew what was coming with sports science, diets etc that he took from his time at Italy. Liverpool just didn't buy into it And the drama from everything else didn't make it easier.
Appearing in front of the sun newspaper finished him... showed how much out of touch he was with he culture of the city. Should have resigned after the FA Cup win
That's a story in its own right a lot of rumors around Beardsley being neighbors with boss and his wife giving Dalglish grief for not playing her husband. Which is probably why Souness sold him so quickly when he arrived. With Nicol mention there were attitude problems within the squad makes more sense now.
Staunton and Houghton? No one ever talks about them. I agree he signed second-tier internationals. All three that you mentioned were signed from London clubs, which may explain the change in attitude that Nicol mentioned. I liked the thuggish-ruggish Dicks and Ruddock, but they didn't seem to be Liverpool-style players. Roy Keane going to Manchester United instead of Liverpool was another pivotal moment.
l'm a liverpool fc fan...but as i got older, i realised that even in football?...times change...heysel, the 6 year ban from europe, and hillsbrough also took its toll on the club as a whole....Dalglish knew he had taken the club as far as he did in the late 1980s, The 1990s had now arrived, and he knew that by 1991, lfc were now on the decline
I agree with that they were the seeds and the sprouts. But I would also point out UEFA rules in the early 1990s that Irish and Scots were foreigners were in English teams were the hammers in the nail. I.e. souness' reluctant selling of Ray Houghton and Steve Staunton
The arrogance and stupidity of that journo Ogden. Stevie lived it in the dressing room, I lived it as a fan in the stands. The Palace game was a freak result much like the Littlewoods cup 4-1 loss against West Ham the year before. It was the 4-4 against Everton and Kenny leaving. That was the moment - we lived and we felt it. Ogden was probably still in his Man Utd nappies kissing his Bryan Robson poster.
The Palace game wasn't a much of a freak result now looking back. It's been spoken on other podcasts how Liverpool struggled against physical teams like Wimbledon so Palace used that to their advantage on that hot April day against an aging Liverpool team that wilted towards the end of the game. Even though Liverpool won the league that season it was a weaker squad to previous years that need that new injection of top players just like in 87. Something must of happened during that 90/91 season as they were brilliant at that start of that campaign.
Ogden was called an idiot by Moreno on this show... He's clueless, just like the majority of English journalists who get brought into the club. He made a big claim a couple of seasons ago about Juventus poaching Guardiola from Manchester City. Why would Guardiola leave City while he's in the middle of breaking all sorts of records, has unlimited resources and is backed by a well-oiled machine from top to bottom? 🤣🤣🤣
No idea the journo, Kenny was burnt out and needed a break the palace game had nothing to do with it. I went every game then we lost the cup final to Wimbledon we where supposed to win that. The year before the final Wimbledon came to Anfield and beat us they where the worst team we could play in a final at the time. The decline was just a burn out and an eye was taken off the ball and rightly so at the time.
Physical teams like Wimbledon and Palace gave Liverpool problems who where a team who training was pretty much five a side football and miminal running and a strong drinking habit so by the end of the 90s those methods weren't enough. That's why Souness had the right idea in changing the culture but English football wasn't ready for it for another 5 years.
It's the Hillsborough tragedy aftermath that drained all the players and Kenny mentality, and fans... LFC paid the for Karma in the from 90s to 2200, LFC are back now and to win everything
Liverpool's dominance ended in the 1990s, deeply impacted by the Hillsborough disaster. The tragedy took a heavy toll on Kenny Dalglish and the staff, who prioritized supporting grieving families over football. The club's focus shifted from "Football is a religion" to valuing life and healing. Overwhelmed, Dalglish resigned, marking the start of Liverpool's decline and the end of an iconic era.
Very interesting what Nicol said about the "spice boy" attitude happening around the same time as Kenny leaving as Liverpool didn't buy many new players around that period of time apart from Speedie,Hysén and Carter. Shame Don Hutchinson wasn't on the panel as him and Redknapp signed around this period of time.
The facts of Liverpool's drop off had nothing to do with Ferguson "knocking us off our fucking perch". Let's put that to bed first. Two factors, or two people caused our fall from the top and that was Dalglish leaving and Souness coming in. Nothing else. End of story.
The two tragedies in 85 and 89 was the downfall. Kenny had a nervous breakdown and Souness went in like a bulldozer and broke the squad up. Anyway we're back on top now. ESPN showing their true colours, can't stand seeing Liverpool doing well again so putting a negative spin on it.
the club & kenny were drained by hillsborough & the next gen of players were not good professionals. but looking at just liverpool is an error. they declined but more importantly other clubs became wealthy whilst they did not modernise. look at what Blackburn & United & Leeds spent, then Arsenal & Chelsea. Liverpool went from dominating a league where the financial disparity between squads was like 1:1.5 to a league where other teams commercialised & had spending power of 5+ multiples of others.
Had nothing to do with Liverpool as Arsenal were the club that took over Liverpool demise and the following years Liverpool became a top six club and wasn't involved in title races until the Roy Evans era
@@jasonbrown9644nope. Kenny Dalglish in his first spell at Liverpool won three titles whilst Ferguson won none. Liverpool destroyed their own dominance. Had nothing to do with Ferguson. If Ferguson didn't win titles in the 90s it would've been Newcastle or Arsenal not Liverpool
Liverpool should have won the title in 96/97 season if they had beaten united in that April showdown probably would of gone on to finish the job with four games to go.
That European cup ban & Hillsborough tragedy was the drawback for Liverpool
No doubt. That team couldn't progress and get to the higher level it needed to.
Bruce Grobelaar told me this at a dinner party 12 years ago. Liverpool's downfall was due to Dalglish leaving and one of the biggest reasons Dalglish left Liverpool was he wanted to sign Alan Shearer at Liverpool, but he did not get the financial backing from management. Hence, he left Liverpool to manage Blackburn and his first major signing was guess who? Alan Shearer.
That is odd seeing that Liverpool broke the British transfer record buying Dean Saunders 4 months later
What nonsense.
That would have been a very different story for the club.
Souness also turned down Cantona and Peter Schmeichel
What a liar. Everyone knows why Dalglish left and it was nothing to do with transfers.
It was an ageing side. Liverpool did not have the money to compete with Man Utd or Blackburn. Bob Paisley always knew when to move players on.
Liverpool should have won the title in 2009 and 2014.
Tat disallowed goal at stoke city 2009 that’s cost us
And when they won it, covid happen. It's like a curse. No joke.
@@grantwilliams6418 Did Liverpool not get questionable decisions in their favour in that season?
2009? United won at a canter. 2014, Liverpool conceded too many goals. Get over it.
@@cjewe1z Doesn't every team?
Nicol is 100% right about the 4-4 draw against Everton being the beginning of the end. Even a ten year-old me knew that wasn't normal for a club that previously dominated.
I think the appointment of Graeme Souness led to the downfall. He rushed into changing players, to sell players of the quality of Staunton and Houghton and buy players like Dicks,Ruddock and Stewart.
Souness was a head of his time and knew what was coming with sports science, diets etc that he took from his time at Italy.
Liverpool just didn't buy into it And the drama from everything else didn't make it easier.
Appearing in front of the sun newspaper finished him... showed how much out of touch he was with he culture of the city.
Should have resigned after the FA Cup win
He sold Beardsley too.
That's a story in its own right a lot of rumors around Beardsley being neighbors with boss and his wife giving Dalglish grief for not playing her husband.
Which is probably why Souness sold him so quickly when he arrived.
With Nicol mention there were attitude problems within the squad makes more sense now.
Staunton and Houghton? No one ever talks about them. I agree he signed second-tier internationals. All three that you mentioned were signed from London clubs, which may explain the change in attitude that Nicol mentioned. I liked the thuggish-ruggish Dicks and Ruddock, but they didn't seem to be Liverpool-style players. Roy Keane going to Manchester United instead of Liverpool was another pivotal moment.
l'm a liverpool fc fan...but as i got older, i realised that even in football?...times change...heysel, the 6 year ban from europe, and hillsbrough also took its toll on the club as a whole....Dalglish knew he had taken the club as far as he did in the late 1980s, The 1990s had now arrived, and he knew that by 1991, lfc were now on the decline
4-4 at Goodison , seeing Kenny stumped up against the dugout was eerie !!!
I agree with that they were the seeds and the sprouts. But I would also point out UEFA rules in the early 1990s that Irish and Scots were foreigners were in English teams were the hammers in the nail. I.e. souness' reluctant selling of Ray Houghton and Steve Staunton
The arrogance and stupidity of that journo Ogden. Stevie lived it in the dressing room, I lived it as a fan in the stands. The Palace game was a freak result much like the Littlewoods cup 4-1 loss against West Ham the year before. It was the 4-4 against Everton and Kenny leaving. That was the moment - we lived and we felt it. Ogden was probably still in his Man Utd nappies kissing his Bryan Robson poster.
The Palace game wasn't a much of a freak result now looking back. It's been spoken on other podcasts how Liverpool struggled against physical teams like Wimbledon so Palace used that to their advantage on that hot April day against an aging Liverpool team that wilted towards the end of the game.
Even though Liverpool won the league that season it was a weaker squad to previous years that need that new injection of top players just like in 87.
Something must of happened during that 90/91 season as they were brilliant at that start of that campaign.
Ogden was called an idiot by Moreno on this show... He's clueless, just like the majority of English journalists who get brought into the club.
He made a big claim a couple of seasons ago about Juventus poaching Guardiola from Manchester City. Why would Guardiola leave City while he's in the middle of breaking all sorts of records, has unlimited resources and is backed by a well-oiled machine from top to bottom? 🤣🤣🤣
No idea the journo, Kenny was burnt out and needed a break the palace game had nothing to do with it. I went every game then we lost the cup final to Wimbledon we where supposed to win that. The year before the final Wimbledon came to Anfield and beat us they where the worst team we could play in a final at the time. The decline was just a burn out and an eye was taken off the ball and rightly so at the time.
Physical teams like Wimbledon and Palace gave Liverpool problems who where a team who training was pretty much five a side football and miminal running and a strong drinking habit so by the end of the 90s those methods weren't enough. That's why Souness had the right idea in changing the culture but English football wasn't ready for it for another 5 years.
Nicol knows ❤
It's the Hillsborough tragedy aftermath that drained all the players and Kenny mentality, and fans... LFC paid the for Karma in the from 90s to 2200, LFC are back now and to win everything
But being held back by FSG penny-pinching.
Liverpool's dominance ended in the 1990s, deeply impacted by the Hillsborough disaster. The tragedy took a heavy toll on Kenny Dalglish and the staff, who prioritized supporting grieving families over football. The club's focus shifted from "Football is a religion" to valuing life and healing. Overwhelmed, Dalglish resigned, marking the start of Liverpool's decline and the end of an iconic era.
Very interesting what Nicol said about the "spice boy" attitude happening around the same time as Kenny leaving as Liverpool didn't buy many new players around that period of time apart from Speedie,Hysén and Carter. Shame Don Hutchinson wasn't on the panel as him and Redknapp signed around this period of time.
The facts of Liverpool's drop off had nothing to do with Ferguson "knocking us off our fucking perch". Let's put that to bed first. Two factors, or two people caused our fall from the top and that was Dalglish leaving and Souness coming in. Nothing else. End of story.
The thing about being Liverpool is you are Liverpool first and foremost good times bad times and that's all that matters
Liverpool football club needed to give support to Kenny. And should have welcomed him much sooner
Mental health wasn't a thing back then , you just have to see how stan collymore was treated when he came out with depression 9, years later
Agree. Palace Semi. I remember exactly where I was. Time of day. I was devastated
Interesting and thought provoking tale of Old Spice
The two tragedies in 85 and 89 was the downfall. Kenny had a nervous breakdown and Souness went in like a bulldozer and broke the squad up. Anyway we're back on top now. ESPN showing their true colours, can't stand seeing Liverpool doing well again so putting a negative spin on it.
the club & kenny were drained by hillsborough & the next gen of players were not good professionals.
but looking at just liverpool is an error. they declined but more importantly other clubs became wealthy whilst they did not modernise. look at what Blackburn & United & Leeds spent, then Arsenal & Chelsea. Liverpool went from dominating a league where the financial disparity between squads was like 1:1.5 to a league where other teams commercialised & had spending power of 5+ multiples of others.
They didn't commercialise the club, united took advantage of that and took them to new height's
Never walk alone 🎉❤
Drawing 2-2 at home to man city in November 1990 they faded away after that
They're all getting it wrong. Wimbledon 88 then Arsenal 89
Was there a major change in ownership during that time?
There wasn't.
Insightful
Hillsborough.
Interesting discussion does Stevie still work out and run? Hard to believe he was such a good athlete and player
Mornin’
Why is there a random plant stuck behind Stevie Nicol
Sir Alex Ferguson
Had nothing to do with Liverpool as Arsenal were the club that took over Liverpool demise and the following years Liverpool became a top six club and wasn't involved in title races until the Roy Evans era
Absolutely
Wrong!! After 1990 Ferguson never faced a Liverpool team actually capable of winning the league until 2008/09 when Rafa benitez was manager.
@@jasonbrown9644nope. Kenny Dalglish in his first spell at Liverpool won three titles whilst Ferguson won none. Liverpool destroyed their own dominance. Had nothing to do with Ferguson. If Ferguson didn't win titles in the 90s it would've been Newcastle or Arsenal not Liverpool
Liverpool should have won the title in 96/97 season if they had beaten united in that April showdown probably would of gone on to finish the job with four games to go.