You can say that all you want doesn't excuse the shite directed his way. No place for someone being abused because of rubbish decisions. I wish the pmgol or whatever the shite are called would admit fault but they never do
@insertgenericusernamehere2402 Nothing excuses that....but also a couple of losers on the internet sending him messages doesn't excuse his bad decisions and the whiff of corruption. Weird that the var and pgmol backed him...only to have the independent panel taken 5 mins to overturn it. How did he get abuse online if he's not on socials? Sounds weird doesn't it? Sounds like a pr smokescreen to me tbh.
@@francesoxberry6816 I think he's a very solid ref although he has in the past made many bad decisions (including some against my club) but you will get that when your in the spotlight for it and have been doing it for years. As for him not being on social media, just because he's not online doesn't mean his family aren't and you also get the wrong'uns threatening him that way. I agree with you in the doesn't excuse his poor decisions, same way when coote came out as gay happy for him but doesn't excuse the crap he did in the past either. I think the pmgol needs to ditch their pride and admit fault, it's one thing to be looking after referees. Another to blindly excuse poor officiating and unfortunately that's why the state of reffing is considered so poor because they never take accountability.
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 agreed...and also, that's why they get abuse after the fact! If var or pgmol challenged the decision then it would be done...instead they blindly close ranks and people feel aggrieved.
Lewis-Skelly literally kicks his shin, and on the bounce-back they freeze the frame and go «studs»… You’d think the VAR room didn’t watch the game, only frozen frames
Because that's not what VAR is for. You don't let it referee. It's supposed to be a safetynet to stop clear and obvious errors. There are people who think it was correct, so it can't be that clear obvious
@@liljimmmy3294 Don't think VAR can demote a straight red to a yellow. Maybe they can, idk, but then it'd have to be a "clear and obvious error," whatever that means nowadays. lol
That "50% of your wage is you're injured" is absolutely disgusting. Imagine the player does his knee ligaments... On top of having a moral very low because he has a very serious injury that will put him away for 9 months, the guy has half of his wage... There are injuries, and I mean most of them, you don't come back quicker. That's it. You need that amount of time and that's it. Players won't come back fit quicker. They will come back quicker though. Still injured. They will lie to get on the pitch and get paid. Players would also go less hard, thinking of an injury. Like when a player is out of contract in 3 months, expect for their whole careers.
Yeah it will lead to players suing the clubs for lost wages and other contract issues like that - so hard to prove what is a genuine injury vs players hiding. Also heard on the rest is football podcast an interesting theory that all the VAR timewasting and players effectively standing around cooling down while a decision is taking 3-4mins and then being asked to get right back to the pace of the game could be contributing to all the muscle injuries. Too many games and the pace/style (high line and chasing back) they are expected to play at as well is also a factor
@@wordsinahandleplayers would risk injuries for those bonuses though, and possibly play less hard to avoid injuries in the first place. Just pay them their contracts no matter what. If the player then phones it in, his next contract will probably be much less money
Are we just forgetting about the West Ham v Aston Villa? Controversy with multiple poor ref decisions, Villa hangover from Champions league, West Ham looking better under Potter? Lots of talking points and just completely untouched. You boys love football and we love watching you talk about it, would it kill you to include a segment on each game? there is only 10 a week?
Doku's karate kick on MacAllister has to be right up there with one of the worst calls. They used it for reference on a high-tackle and wasn´t even given...
Michael Oliver's stats against Arsenal suggest a confirmation bias with the fella. I agree with ex-PGMOL chief Keith Hackett, Oliver should be kept away from Arsenal for a bit.
@@Gideonsmythe confirmation bias would be me believing every single Arsenal fan acts like there is a conspiracy against them then only picking out comments like yours as evidence of my belief
@@Gideonsmythe confirmation bias is when someone selects or interprets data in a way that agrees with their established beliefs. In other words they have a bias towards results that confirm what they believe to be true. It would be like viewing the fact that a single referee makes more mistakes that go against a singular team and then concluding that it must mean he is intentionally doing so. Confirmation bias is not something that can be drawn from data objectively, it is the subjective bias of the person perceiving the data and drawing their favourable conclusion. In your context, it would be more appropriate to say “the stats suggest a possible bias” or that “his stats showcase a need for further investigation to assess if there is a bias.” In the end it’s still appropriate to separate the referee from the club while an investigation be done if that is the decision of the PGMOL.
@@Gideonsmythe in short, a confirmation bias is the perception of a person perceiving data in a way that confirms their beliefs. Michael Oliver could be displaying bias but it wouldn’t be confirmation bias. Confirmation bias would be possible from the fans seeing his mistake and inferring that he is doing so maliciously.
Tom can we PLEASE stop this 'Oh Ange looking at the ground again' bullshit, he did it at basically every interview during his time at Celtic. It isn't new, it isn't anything about being defeated, it's literally just how he conducts interviews.
Owen scored more in less games. He played for Liverpool, Real Madrid, Man Utd. Way better scoring record for England. I prefer Vardy but that doesn't make him objectively better.
Kyle Walker is not better than Gary Neville. The fact that these ex players that saw Neville play make such ridiculus claims just means that their opinion and football knowledge isn't better than the rest of us.
and what makes your opinion right? end of the day it’s purely opinion and your making it out as if it’s a fact neville is better than walker and there’s no argument for walker to be in the conversation. if anything the fact that these ex pros who have played with + against neville think waker may be better means more than your opinion. even neville has said previously he thinks walker is the best prem RB ever
@@thecyclinggk Ben, do you think that many of the fans reaction during and after the game against City last year have had an impact on Tottenham this season? like sure they would be higher up the table without injuries, but i think there is more of a reason why they are so far down, surely many fans and players have lost a lot of fighting spirit after seeing people cheer for and on a loss which lost themselves a spot of Champions league football and progression and all of that just to spite a club some fans apparently hate more than they love Tottenham, like surely this is a factor to some extent esp for Ange, i still remember his sheer dissapointment in the fans, club and his project after that game
On one hand as a united fan I would be. But I'd also be miserable in the sense of 1 trophy in 18 isn't acceptable. Might be for arsenal fans but let's not forget a really really poor united side have won more trophies under ten hag than a good side has at arsenal under arteta
@insertgenericusernamehere2402 because you took the cups seriously. You under ETH were a fantastic cup team similarly to Arteta at the start with Emery's team. You have been miserable for the past 2 years winning trophies. Don't lie
@Abc123ert56as anyone should, I'm not saying we're not miserable whilst winning trophies. However I'd rather be winning something, than perennial contenders. Arsenal under arteta are a bigger failure than Manchester United were under ten hag and that for arsenal fans should be embarrassing. This season was the one they were meant to dominate, a few additions to a team that was a few points off winning the league with City having a huge drop off, they're not even close to a Liverpool side that haven't changed much of anything. Getting beat by Nottingham Forrest.... I'd be embarrassed as an Arsenal fan with how poor they've been. Getting beaten by a poor 10 men united side in the cup. They've turned into a team that values set pieces and when they don't work. They're 9/10 screwed
The reasons teams like Bournemouth (from a Bournemouth fan) sign gems is because the sign gems that can come straight into the team, for example Huijsen joins us because he knows he will get instant football rather than joining spurs. Also these top teams want instant success, in the summer we wanted marmoush for 20m then half a good season, city see him as proven and he goes for 80m. Same happened with us and Jackson
i like Bens apporach to injuries. i do think some players just dont want to get fit when the team is playing bad. i remember Pogba was always injured but when it came to playing for France he was always fit. i remember rashford hurt his back after pogbas injury then still came back to fitness before him.i think incentives for wanting to play will bring down the injury list
Tbh i can almost understand the on-field decision to give a red card being in real time (even though it was a blatant yellow)...what i don't understand is VAR going along with it. Surely game altering decisions like red cards or penalties should be subject to a higher scrutiny? Are we at a point where the ref expects VAR to bail them out but VAR don't want to undermine the ref's decision, so they just go along with it? Clear and obvious is the issue herefor me ...the fact that VAR can look at a wrong decision and say "yeah it's wrong but it's not a howler so we'll let it slide" is 100% insane.
A fanbase that wants the players to lose a game to prevent their rivals to win deserves nothing. I even think they could've gotten CL that season if they won that match against City.
That lewis Skelly decision is not the worst red card at all. I can't get my head around everyone saying it is the worst when Liverpool had a clear onside goal denied as offside by VAR. Like wtf and why is the lewsiskelly one the worst, how is it the worst??
With the introduction of Tiki Taka in Barcelona as a victory guarantee (it felt like that), football got pretty boring and stale for a while. It's good to have variety.
I’ve seen red cards given and most of the pendants have said not even a yellow card foul everyone seems to think this was a yellow, and the red cannot be the worst call ever
@thecyclinggk Liverpool. I understand they did get a mention at some point and also the game wasn't a big game just a standard win you'd expect. I just enjoy hearing others opinions on stuff 🙂
The hyperbole is ridiculous. It arguably wasn't even the worst decision on that day. Enciso kicked Endo in the chest and got a yellow card. Alvarez committed 3 yellow card offences for West Ham and didn't get sent off and an Everton player got booked for impersonating a bird.
As ridiculous as the brighton bird impression yellow was absurd, explain how that’s significant compared to potentially compromising the title challenge for arsenal? Get a grip
There's many differences between Owen & Vardy. The teams they played in the opportunity they had. The sheer loyalty. Owen was great in the box if you put it to his feet. Vardy sniffs a goal from nothing. Also he's never been a glory hunter he's been dedicated to Leicester. In a world where money matters I'm sure he turned down better offers. I'm an Arsenal fan but nothing but respect for the bloke that went up & down & up with his team xx
For father son combos surely, danny and daley blind must be up there. Could even throw Diego forlan and go as far as his dad and grandad, all won the copa america with uruguay in their respective times
Levy is getting the abuse because he has only brought in a Goal Keeper in during the window when the team NEEDS support and the manager's been crying out for it for MONTHS!
48:29 "Arsenal is ran properly from top to bottom" if you ignore the fact that they still play 'a Premier League footballer in his 30s' week in week out...
@ Well Ben was making out like they do everything prim snd proper, but sticking by him just because he's a good player when we all know what's happened is the opposite.
Owen v Vardy and you choose Vardy, wtaf are you talking about. I like Vardy but Owen played for top clubs, at the top level, scored a lot of goals and won a Ballon d’Or unfortunately injuries shortened his time at the top. Vardy started late but his time at the top is probably still longer than Owens, he's scored less and other than a premier league title/FA Cup achieved less individually or at club level. Been some really bad takes from you guys the last couple of shows.
@@WilliWil. Laughable - 1) - I clearly mention FA cup above, i'm not counting Comm Shield & EFL Championship. 2) Ballon d'Or was not popularity contest back then, if it were Owen would never have won 3) again I clearly mention that Vardy has had longer at the top. This would offset the fact Owen probably got better supply.
Doesn't matter how much you spend on transfers. If the owner is not willing to pay the WAGES to bring in the best players they will never be competitive. Spending money does not equal backing the manager if the players the board bring in are utter garbage.
@ not true, ofcourse wages play a factor. BUT Spurs are spoilt they have spent more than enough to compete! They just don’t have a good coach and a lot of their players don’t care about a club with no history so just there for the opportunity
It's not the is it. Diaz got a goal cancelled out last season and MacAllister got kicked in the chest and they have the nerve to use that image of Doku kicking him as an example of a high boot.
Cheers for a great show again. Yeah nowadays and esp as an arsenal fan I can't watch the league when I can't trust the refereeing. It's so bad the legitimacy of the league is suspect. It just so happens that Liverpool is far and away the best team this time. It's weird, 6pts + GIH feels like infinity and I've seen that points lead evaporate in a moment as well. But it still feels the league is gone for the 19 other teams anyway. But yeah, I'm in the boat that VAR is fine, if handled by good refs. There's no accountability for the horrible refs and their buds in the VAR room just back them up every time it seems. Unwatchable.
Lewis skelly red card conspiracy - a straight red = 3 match ban. Next 3 games for Arsenal: v Man City in league. V Newcastle (oliver's fav team) in Carabao Cup semi 2nd leg, and v Leicester in league. You don't think there’s bias?
It's more weighted that way, or feels like it. I don't understand why certain points aren't discussed. Would have enjoyed hearing opinions on being booked for celebrations
@@carlcavell4354 seems more just like regurgitation of media. when they talked about every game they had to find at least something. now it's just bigger headlines. although yes strange omission
Ah man, please don't feed the fire with these Arsenal fans. It is absolutely not the worst decision of all time. We'll have to hear about it for months now with this fanbase, I still have to read about the Rice and Trossard incidents everytime I do my daily round ups.
Can't believe we are debating Owen and Vardy. Owen was a far better player than Vardy imo. The injuries mid to late of his career affected him. However, prime Owen way better than prime Vardy
Imo it's an "orange" card..you guys argue about this one but nothing is said about milimeter offsides or non-sensical handballs that are called as penalties..too much noise around this decision only because Arteta has been complaining about calls that do not favour Arsenal for years now...
The reality now is that the so called "professional foul" is accepted. The foul in question was unacceptable and the player should be condemned. He wouldn't get away with it in Sunday league so why should as a pro. It was a studs rake on an unprotected part of the leg. Gutless actually. I am sick of the constant interruption of the game and the hairline screaming of spoilt brats. You lot are arguing its acceptable. It isn't.
worse than what exactly? also what about having an illegitimate goal against stand? but yeah if you are talking about the Diaz goal then yeah that was an abysmal performance.
@ ''Cynical'' ''raking'' having to add adjectives to make it seem worse than it was. also a red changes the game substantially, a goal can be easier to overcome.. both are wrong decisions, i don't need to punch down on Liverpools bad descisions or diminish them in order to make myself feel good, i'm well capable of calling out bad decisions even when they are against our rivals.. Also the opponent didn't score a goal in the same manner and without having a wrongful dissalowance of that goal in the same game and thus double punishing you, Arsenal had a very similar situation happen to them except with more force as actual weight was put into the tackle against them which didn't get a red just like MLS's one..
Have you forgot spurs Declan Rice signing, Ndombele?? That was a huge signing, a really bad one that they got completely wrong but still a huge signing.
Notice how all the big channels that have their shows one or two days after the match (I'm thinking Gab & Juls podcast, this show, MNF, etc.) have the Lewis-Skelly red waaay down the pecking order. Mad coincidence, that!
Yeah but what if it like a gruesome injury to no fault of the player? Its good and well to train to prevent and go back to training sooner after a injury. At the same time this is why the medical departments are meant to be top notch. The load of games is what restricts extra fysical training and it's the medical that decides when and what type of training is done after a injury. What if someone takes you leg off and breaks it? What if you are played soo much that your body breaks like Saka and so many others?
"If Tottenham had bought a lad from Lorient, what would the fans say?" And what would the medias say?! You're part of the issue! You would slag them off! You would say what you said earlier: "they refuse to spend, they refuse to go for the top players, they don't put 80 millions on a player and instead they put 20M on a random from Lorient". Which creates the problem, and the player has much more pressure.
How many times you having Crystal Palace as an answer in the same quiz?? Thought I was watching that Smithy scene in Gavin & Stacey where every answer is Gary Lineker. C'mon Jamie!
Arsenal fans are tired. Last year referee decisions lost the title (newcastle). This year we have literally lost at least 9 points because of referee decisions and would be in a proper title race if referees would stop targeting our club. The data does not lie.
Ben's been out the game 5 minutes and he's already trying to half footballers salaries. Sorry lad, your losing 2m this year you’ve done your ACL again Ben 😂
Last season Newcastle finished 7th with one of the worst injury records ever. Tottenham have no excuse to be where they are; they’re still putting out a relatively strong team. The problem is the manager. Howe at Newcastle knew how to win games and adapt. Big Ange has become exposed for what he is. A poor coach who can’t win games unless he has all his players available….
The absolute ridiculous hyperbole around the discussion of this decision is wild. It wasn’t even the worst decision this past weekend FFS 🤦🏻 (Rangers red card and my dad was a Tim)
Man United sre arrogant & assume they are a big club. They dont accept they were under Sir Alex but times have changed. Arsenal fans realise that teams evolve over time & greatness is worth waiting for. There are pieces missing in the puzzle but not every team can buy overnight success
Where does this whole thing about Totthenham having insane money but deciding not to spend it comes from? Do they have a whole oil country financing them? Do they have one of the wealthiest man in the world? I don't know, it's the only club that I hear that about. They spend north of 150M€ every season. Last season they spend over 250M€. They put 60+ on Solanke. Yet people keep pretending they could do more but refuse to. You know, not everybody has oil money. Not everybody can spend spend spend and never be in trouble with FFP.
They’ve spent money, just terribly 😂 65 million for solanke is crazy, James Madison pulling strings in the middle while he posts another dance on TikTok, the whole squad screams average. Brennan Johnson, dragusin Werner bentancur porro sarr average average average, I’d rather support Everton lol and that’s saying something. No depth and no quality in that squad minus kulusevski and son (sometimes)
Studs up, initial contact is shin high, no attempt at the ball. Whether you think it’s red or not, he has gave the ref a decision to make. It’s silly from Lewis-Skelly imo.
Maybe people wouldn't say Oliver is corrupt if he didnt go off to abu dhabi for lucrative contracts in his off time
Most refs are just incompetent but Michael Oliver is 100% corrupt and has an agenda against Arsenal.
You can say that all you want doesn't excuse the shite directed his way. No place for someone being abused because of rubbish decisions. I wish the pmgol or whatever the shite are called would admit fault but they never do
@insertgenericusernamehere2402 Nothing excuses that....but also a couple of losers on the internet sending him messages doesn't excuse his bad decisions and the whiff of corruption. Weird that the var and pgmol backed him...only to have the independent panel taken 5 mins to overturn it. How did he get abuse online if he's not on socials? Sounds weird doesn't it? Sounds like a pr smokescreen to me tbh.
@@francesoxberry6816 I think he's a very solid ref although he has in the past made many bad decisions (including some against my club) but you will get that when your in the spotlight for it and have been doing it for years. As for him not being on social media, just because he's not online doesn't mean his family aren't and you also get the wrong'uns threatening him that way.
I agree with you in the doesn't excuse his poor decisions, same way when coote came out as gay happy for him but doesn't excuse the crap he did in the past either. I think the pmgol needs to ditch their pride and admit fault, it's one thing to be looking after referees. Another to blindly excuse poor officiating and unfortunately that's why the state of reffing is considered so poor because they never take accountability.
@@insertgenericusernamehere2402 agreed...and also, that's why they get abuse after the fact! If var or pgmol challenged the decision then it would be done...instead they blindly close ranks and people feel aggrieved.
Lewis-Skelly literally kicks his shin, and on the bounce-back they freeze the frame and go «studs»… You’d think the VAR room didn’t watch the game, only frozen frames
Exact same thing with Bruno on Madison. Clear as day on replay that it was a cynical foul but never a red. These refs are simply incompetent.
Ben is correct, red couldn’t get his card out quick enough, why not give the yellow and if it was really bad then VAR would have told him so
So we want refs to rely on VAR, agree it’s the wrong decision but need the refs to make the call they think is right
Because he saw it with his own eyes
By that logic, VAR would have told him it isn’t a red card.
Because that's not what VAR is for. You don't let it referee. It's supposed to be a safetynet to stop clear and obvious errors. There are people who think it was correct, so it can't be that clear obvious
@@liljimmmy3294 Don't think VAR can demote a straight red to a yellow. Maybe they can, idk, but then it'd have to be a "clear and obvious error," whatever that means nowadays. lol
That "50% of your wage is you're injured" is absolutely disgusting. Imagine the player does his knee ligaments... On top of having a moral very low because he has a very serious injury that will put him away for 9 months, the guy has half of his wage... There are injuries, and I mean most of them, you don't come back quicker. That's it. You need that amount of time and that's it. Players won't come back fit quicker. They will come back quicker though. Still injured. They will lie to get on the pitch and get paid.
Players would also go less hard, thinking of an injury. Like when a player is out of contract in 3 months, expect for their whole careers.
I think there should be a bonus when you play. Otherwise players will come back quicker and risk more injuries.
Yeah it will lead to players suing the clubs for lost wages and other contract issues like that - so hard to prove what is a genuine injury vs players hiding.
Also heard on the rest is football podcast an interesting theory that all the VAR timewasting and players effectively standing around cooling down while a decision is taking 3-4mins and then being asked to get right back to the pace of the game could be contributing to all the muscle injuries.
Too many games and the pace/style (high line and chasing back) they are expected to play at as well is also a factor
@@wordsinahandleplayers would risk injuries for those bonuses though, and possibly play less hard to avoid injuries in the first place. Just pay them their contracts no matter what. If the player then phones it in, his next contract will probably be much less money
Are we just forgetting about the West Ham v Aston Villa? Controversy with multiple poor ref decisions, Villa hangover from Champions league, West Ham looking better under Potter?
Lots of talking points and just completely untouched. You boys love football and we love watching you talk about it, would it kill you to include a segment on each game? there is only 10 a week?
Doku's karate kick on MacAllister has to be right up there with one of the worst calls. They used it for reference on a high-tackle and wasn´t even given...
Spot on mate. That challenge and lack of officiating, took the wind out of Liverpool's sails and arguably cost Arsenal the title.
Are people forgetting the Diaz legitimate goal that was ruled out from last season???
And the front kick in the chest from Doku on Macalister
You guys love telling people to get on with it when it happens to them so probably
@@atowy7 Who's 'you guys' ?
I agree in terms of VAR that was a much worse f up, I assume they mean ref on field decision
@@domak1645 football fans. Always telling people to stop moaning til it happens to you
Michael Oliver's stats against Arsenal suggest a confirmation bias with the fella. I agree with ex-PGMOL chief Keith Hackett, Oliver should be kept away from Arsenal for a bit.
Conformation bias isn’t what you think it is.
@@eriq8904 Excellent, always good to discuss psychology. What's your interpretation of Confirmation Bias and where have I got it wrong?
@@Gideonsmythe confirmation bias would be me believing every single Arsenal fan acts like there is a conspiracy against them then only picking out comments like yours as evidence of my belief
@@Gideonsmythe confirmation bias is when someone selects or interprets data in a way that agrees with their established beliefs. In other words they have a bias towards results that confirm what they believe to be true. It would be like viewing the fact that a single referee makes more mistakes that go against a singular team and then concluding that it must mean he is intentionally doing so. Confirmation bias is not something that can be drawn from data objectively, it is the subjective bias of the person perceiving the data and drawing their favourable conclusion. In your context, it would be more appropriate to say “the stats suggest a possible bias” or that “his stats showcase a need for further investigation to assess if there is a bias.” In the end it’s still appropriate to separate the referee from the club while an investigation be done if that is the decision of the PGMOL.
@@Gideonsmythe in short, a confirmation bias is the perception of a person perceiving data in a way that confirms their beliefs. Michael Oliver could be displaying bias but it wouldn’t be confirmation bias. Confirmation bias would be possible from the fans seeing his mistake and inferring that he is doing so maliciously.
Tom can we PLEASE stop this 'Oh Ange looking at the ground again' bullshit, he did it at basically every interview during his time at Celtic. It isn't new, it isn't anything about being defeated, it's literally just how he conducts interviews.
Ange looked at the floor when winning games with Celtic, just something he does
Stuck in bed with pneumonia lol but this dropping will get me through an hour, cheers fellas 👍
Ahh mate,, get well soon.
Owen scored more in less games. He played for Liverpool, Real Madrid, Man Utd. Way better scoring record for England. I prefer Vardy but that doesn't make him objectively better.
Kyle Walker is not better than Gary Neville. The fact that these ex players that saw Neville play make such ridiculus claims just means that their opinion and football knowledge isn't better than the rest of us.
and what makes your opinion right? end of the day it’s purely opinion and your making it out as if it’s a fact neville is better than walker and there’s no argument for walker to be in the conversation. if anything the fact that these ex pros who have played with + against neville think waker may be better means more than your opinion. even neville has said previously he thinks walker is the best prem RB ever
The set is quality! Much better! That couch looks sensational! So comfy surely
Glad you like it!
@@thecyclinggk Ben, do you think that many of the fans reaction during and after the game against City last year have had an impact on Tottenham this season?
like sure they would be higher up the table without injuries, but i think there is more of a reason why they are so far down, surely many fans and players have lost a lot of fighting spirit after seeing people cheer for and on a loss which lost themselves a spot of Champions league football and progression and all of that just to spite a club some fans apparently hate more than they love Tottenham, like surely this is a factor to some extent esp for Ange, i still remember his sheer dissapointment in the fans, club and his project after that game
People forget Arteta started challenging 2 ½ years into his first job. If Amorim in 2027 was challenging for the league United fans would be buzzing
On one hand as a united fan I would be. But I'd also be miserable in the sense of 1 trophy in 18 isn't acceptable. Might be for arsenal fans but let's not forget a really really poor united side have won more trophies under ten hag than a good side has at arsenal under arteta
@insertgenericusernamehere2402 because you took the cups seriously. You under ETH were a fantastic cup team similarly to Arteta at the start with Emery's team.
You have been miserable for the past 2 years winning trophies. Don't lie
@Abc123ert56as anyone should, I'm not saying we're not miserable whilst winning trophies. However I'd rather be winning something, than perennial contenders.
Arsenal under arteta are a bigger failure than Manchester United were under ten hag and that for arsenal fans should be embarrassing.
This season was the one they were meant to dominate, a few additions to a team that was a few points off winning the league with City having a huge drop off, they're not even close to a Liverpool side that haven't changed much of anything. Getting beat by Nottingham Forrest.... I'd be embarrassed as an Arsenal fan with how poor they've been. Getting beaten by a poor 10 men united side in the cup. They've turned into a team that values set pieces and when they don't work. They're 9/10 screwed
Fulham/Man Utd: I thought Colyer deserved a mention!
The reasons teams like Bournemouth (from a Bournemouth fan) sign gems is because the sign gems that can come straight into the team, for example Huijsen joins us because he knows he will get instant football rather than joining spurs. Also these top teams want instant success, in the summer we wanted marmoush for 20m then half a good season, city see him as proven and he goes for 80m. Same happened with us and Jackson
Great talking points! Well done another great watch
The content on Tuesdays keeps me talking till the next games. Great show, great Quiz, gives me good feelings for the week. Thanks fellas 💙💙💙
Rashford = Dele Alli with top tier PR.
Walker best RB in the prem ever? The guy lacks situational awareness and saves himself with pase.
Good to have differing opinions
Can someone take that cup out of Tom's hand he hasn't took a sip once it must be a prop 😂
He’s moved to a thermal cup , he does drink it when he’s not spilling it 😂
@thecyclinggk I wouldn't mind soon as I commented this he took a sip and put it down 🤣
i like Bens apporach to injuries. i do think some players just dont want to get fit when the team is playing bad. i remember Pogba was always injured but when it came to playing for France he was always fit. i remember rashford hurt his back after pogbas injury then still came back to fitness before him.i think incentives for wanting to play will bring down the injury list
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You guys forgot about the Thurams for father sons. Lilian Thuram, Marcus Thuram and Khephren Thuram
Thurams 👍🏼
No chapters this week? 💔
There are chapters there for me. Maybe you were watching "too soon" after the release
They should be there now!
Love Edwear! You've made my week Jamie, can't stop laughing lol
😂😂😂😂what’s he like
That was a miscommunication mistake, not a decision. They have tripled-down on the Skelly red
Tbh i can almost understand the on-field decision to give a red card being in real time (even though it was a blatant yellow)...what i don't understand is VAR going along with it.
Surely game altering decisions like red cards or penalties should be subject to a higher scrutiny?
Are we at a point where the ref expects VAR to bail them out but VAR don't want to undermine the ref's decision, so they just go along with it?
Clear and obvious is the issue herefor me ...the fact that VAR can look at a wrong decision and say "yeah it's wrong but it's not a howler so we'll let it slide" is 100% insane.
The 1/2 pay contract can only work to lower level players, you think players that is wanted by 3-4 clubs wouldn't make the contract to their benefit?
A fanbase that wants the players to lose a game to prevent their rivals to win deserves nothing. I even think they could've gotten CL that season if they won that match against City.
As if arsenal fan wanted spurs to win ucl
Not hard to understand where large amounts of money is there always be corruption..
That lewis Skelly decision is not the worst red card at all. I can't get my head around everyone saying it is the worst when Liverpool had a clear onside goal denied as offside by VAR. Like wtf and why is the lewsiskelly one the worst, how is it the worst??
Yeah, I don’t get the extreme claims on this.
Rashford can’t be arsed. Get rid of him
Blimey…
With the introduction of Tiki Taka in Barcelona as a victory guarantee (it felt like that), football got pretty boring and stale for a while.
It's good to have variety.
Totally agree 💪🏼
The MLS red overshadows the gomes second yellow, the challange is a clear red but he just got the yellow and one game ban
I’ve seen red cards given and most of the pendants have said not even a yellow card foul everyone seems to think this was a yellow, and the red cannot be the worst call ever
Look forward to the show every week to hear about my team and you guys don't even mention them 😂😂
Who’s your team ?
@thecyclinggk Liverpool. I understand they did get a mention at some point and also the game wasn't a big game just a standard win you'd expect. I just enjoy hearing others opinions on stuff 🙂
The hyperbole is ridiculous. It arguably wasn't even the worst decision on that day. Enciso kicked Endo in the chest and got a yellow card. Alvarez committed 3 yellow card offences for West Ham and didn't get sent off and an Everton player got booked for impersonating a bird.
I'm sorry but a normal tackle being given as a red card is utter woke nonsense, it's pure corruption
As ridiculous as the brighton bird impression yellow was absurd, explain how that’s significant compared to potentially compromising the title challenge for arsenal? Get a grip
Great work from Tom using Man U scarf to clean his cup, nice one Tom 🍵🤣.
Nahh, I missed this 😂😂😂
A good call for elite Farher- Son duo could be Diego Simeone and his kid Giovanni Simeone. The lad scored tonight in the UcL
Good call, potential is there
Infantino actually does look a lot like Levy. Pretty funny 😅
There's many differences between Owen & Vardy. The teams they played in the opportunity they had. The sheer loyalty. Owen was great in the box if you put it to his feet. Vardy
sniffs a goal from nothing. Also he's never been a glory hunter he's been dedicated to Leicester. In a world where money matters I'm sure he turned down better offers. I'm an Arsenal fan but nothing but respect for the bloke that went up & down & up with his team xx
That’s got to be worst take in football taking Vardy over Owen
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For father son combos surely, danny and daley blind must be up there. Could even throw Diego forlan and go as far as his dad and grandad, all won the copa america with uruguay in their respective times
Good shout yes
Levy is getting the abuse because he has only brought in a Goal Keeper in during the window when the team NEEDS support and the manager's been crying out for it for MONTHS!
48:29 "Arsenal is ran properly from top to bottom" if you ignore the fact that they still play 'a Premier League footballer in his 30s' week in week out...
And your point is? 😂
@ Well Ben was making out like they do everything prim snd proper, but sticking by him just because he's a good player when we all know what's happened is the opposite.
Owen v Vardy and you choose Vardy, wtaf are you talking about. I like Vardy but Owen played for top clubs, at the top level, scored a lot of goals and won a Ballon d’Or unfortunately injuries shortened his time at the top. Vardy started late but his time at the top is probably still longer than Owens, he's scored less and other than a premier league title/FA Cup achieved less individually or at club level. Been some really bad takes from you guys the last couple of shows.
are u serious? it wasnt just a prem title also ballon dor is a popularity contest also no shit owen will score more when he gets more chances
Completely agree. Some real "yer da down the pub" takes from this lot recently.
@@WilliWil. Laughable - 1) - I clearly mention FA cup above, i'm not counting Comm Shield & EFL Championship. 2) Ballon d'Or was not popularity contest back then, if it were Owen would never have won 3) again I clearly mention that Vardy has had longer at the top. This would offset the fact Owen probably got better supply.
This is not even close to a debate. They're trying to compare a Ballon d'Or winner with a Leicester forward , wtf?
"The light that burns twice as bright burns half as long" Dr Eldon Trell (Blade Runner)
Really enjoyed watching proud of you lads ace quiz
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Totally agree - love this podcast.
Thank you
How can Spurs fans say their board doesn’t back them? They have spent more than Arsenal since Arteta joined… so have United!
Fair point
Doesn't matter how much you spend on transfers. If the owner is not willing to pay the WAGES to bring in the best players they will never be competitive. Spending money does not equal backing the manager if the players the board bring in are utter garbage.
@ not true, ofcourse wages play a factor. BUT Spurs are spoilt they have spent more than enough to compete! They just don’t have a good coach and a lot of their players don’t care about a club with no history so just there for the opportunity
It's not the is it. Diaz got a goal cancelled out last season and MacAllister got kicked in the chest and they have the nerve to use that image of Doku kicking him as an example of a high boot.
Not one mention of the team at the top 😂
There wasn’t mate,, but the game went exactly as expected . We’d have basically said “Mo is class, Gakpo is class, Ipswich are struggling”
Cheers for a great show again.
Yeah nowadays and esp as an arsenal fan I can't watch the league when I can't trust the refereeing. It's so bad the legitimacy of the league is suspect. It just so happens that Liverpool is far and away the best team this time. It's weird, 6pts + GIH feels like infinity and I've seen that points lead evaporate in a moment as well. But it still feels the league is gone for the 19 other teams anyway.
But yeah, I'm in the boat that VAR is fine, if handled by good refs. There's no accountability for the horrible refs and their buds in the VAR room just back them up every time it seems. Unwatchable.
Mazinho and Thiago for best father and son combo for sure
Please go back to each match given time. Didn't hear nowt about Liverpool or Everton win, pen decision or booking for Seagull celebration
Lewis skelly red card conspiracy - a straight red = 3 match ban. Next 3 games for Arsenal:
v Man City in league.
V Newcastle (oliver's fav team) in Carabao Cup semi 2nd leg, and
v Leicester in league.
You don't think there’s bias?
this new format is judt big 6 content now isnt it?
No , that’s why there’s Leicester , Brentford , Bournemouth chat in the show
@@thecyclinggk not sure if the timestamps got changed afterwards. thanks for the update ^^
It's more weighted that way, or feels like it. I don't understand why certain points aren't discussed. Would have enjoyed hearing opinions on being booked for celebrations
@@carlcavell4354 seems more just like regurgitation of media. when they talked about every game they had to find at least something. now it's just bigger headlines. although yes strange omission
43:23 just watched the red card. I don’t think it’s that bad a decision. He grates down his shin while he’s run off. It’s so late, high and studs up.
Ah man, please don't feed the fire with these Arsenal fans. It is absolutely not the worst decision of all time.
We'll have to hear about it for months now with this fanbase, I still have to read about the Rice and Trossard incidents everytime I do my daily round ups.
Got a bit tense in the quiz this week lads😂
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Southampton vs Leicester start of 2024/25 season was the worst reffed game in history
Tottenham fan deserve better
Even living thousand kilometers away from uk
We watched on tv deserve better football
Can't believe we are debating Owen and Vardy.
Owen was a far better player than Vardy imo. The injuries mid to late of his career affected him. However, prime Owen way better than prime Vardy
Imo it's an "orange" card..you guys argue about this one but nothing is said about milimeter offsides or non-sensical handballs that are called as penalties..too much noise around this decision only because Arteta has been complaining about calls that do not favour Arsenal for years now...
I still think the old set was much better ahah, idk why i cant let it go
It’s time to let it go mate 😂😂😂
The reality now is that the so called "professional foul" is accepted. The foul in question was unacceptable and the player should be condemned. He wouldn't get away with it in Sunday league so why should as a pro. It was a studs rake on an unprotected part of the leg. Gutless actually. I am sick of the constant interruption of the game and the hairline screaming of spoilt brats. You lot are arguing its acceptable. It isn't.
I would say having a legitimate goal ruled out is worse
Having an illegitimate goal given is worse imo.
worse than what exactly?
also what about having an illegitimate goal against stand?
but yeah if you are talking about the Diaz goal then yeah that was an abysmal performance.
@@NiklasMJworse than a very clear yellow cynical foul with studs raking an ankle and no intention to play the ball at all being given as a red
@ ''Cynical'' ''raking'' having to add adjectives to make it seem worse than it was. also a red changes the game substantially, a goal can be easier to overcome.. both are wrong decisions, i don't need to punch down on Liverpools bad descisions or diminish them in order to make myself feel good, i'm well capable of calling out bad decisions even when they are against our rivals..
Also the opponent didn't score a goal in the same manner and without having a wrongful dissalowance of that goal in the same game and thus double punishing you, Arsenal had a very similar situation happen to them except with more force as actual weight was put into the tackle against them which didn't get a red just like MLS's one..
@ they are equally as bad surely
How can Arteta be remotely like Southgate, when Arteta has won something and Southgate didn't.
It was a question rather than a statement, just starts a conversation
Have you forgot spurs Declan Rice signing, Ndombele?? That was a huge signing, a really bad one that they got completely wrong but still a huge signing.
Any timestamp heroes?
Notice how all the big channels that have their shows one or two days after the match (I'm thinking Gab & Juls podcast, this show, MNF, etc.) have the Lewis-Skelly red waaay down the pecking order. Mad coincidence, that!
Arsenal fans seriously can't stop making conspiracies.
Not even the worst decision this season never mind ever!
Agree with the availability wage, if you want your 250k a week........prove you deserve it
Luke Shaw laughing his way into retirement
Yeah but what if it like a gruesome injury to no fault of the player? Its good and well to train to prevent and go back to training sooner after a injury. At the same time this is why the medical departments are meant to be top notch. The load of games is what restricts extra fysical training and it's the medical that decides when and what type of training is done after a injury. What if someone takes you leg off and breaks it? What if you are played soo much that your body breaks like Saka and so many others?
You think polayers want to be injured? You think they hope for a broken knee so they can relax without playing?
"Into" retirement? That suggests he's not ALREADY retired
Loveeee these meltdowns, would like to know what his biggest meltdown was during or after a PL game
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"If Tottenham had bought a lad from Lorient, what would the fans say?" And what would the medias say?! You're part of the issue! You would slag them off! You would say what you said earlier: "they refuse to spend, they refuse to go for the top players, they don't put 80 millions on a player and instead they put 20M on a random from Lorient".
Which creates the problem, and the player has much more pressure.
10:32 WHAT DO YOU THINK OF NUNES AT RB
It's been a long time Ben...!!
Nice shirt Ben
Proper chat lads.
Thanks very much for the positivity my mate 🙏🏼
How many times you having Crystal Palace as an answer in the same quiz?? Thought I was watching that Smithy scene in Gavin & Stacey where every answer is Gary Lineker. C'mon Jamie!
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Arsenal fans are tired. Last year referee decisions lost the title (newcastle). This year we have literally lost at least 9 points because of referee decisions and would be in a proper title race if referees would stop targeting our club. The data does not lie.
Hey Ben, debut is pronounced 'day-byoo' not 'Deb-yoo', just saying.
Not in the UK mate. guessing you’re from Oz or NZ?
Wiping your coffee on the sacred man United scarf is shamefully out of order mate! LOL
Don’t you worry , I’ll pull him on that next week 😳😳😂
Danny and Daley Blind , Abedi Pele and the Ayew brothers.
Good shouts
Lilian Thuram and his sons, Marcus in special is another exemple.
Great shout
Ben’s idea for an “availability bonus” is absolute nonsense 😅
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@@thecyclinggk still love the show though Fozzy!
Have to mention the Thuram family when talking about father and sons
crystal palace is magic word in this quiz hehehehe
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Ben's been out the game 5 minutes and he's already trying to half footballers salaries. Sorry lad, your losing 2m this year you’ve done your ACL again Ben 😂
Last season Newcastle finished 7th with one of the worst injury records ever. Tottenham have no excuse to be where they are; they’re still putting out a relatively strong team. The problem is the manager. Howe at Newcastle knew how to win games and adapt. Big Ange has become exposed for what he is. A poor coach who can’t win games unless he has all his players available….
The absolute ridiculous hyperbole around the discussion of this decision is wild. It wasn’t even the worst decision this past weekend FFS 🤦🏻 (Rangers red card and my dad was a Tim)
Shaun Wright Phillips?? You having a laugh😂
Man United sre arrogant & assume they are a big club. They dont accept they were under Sir Alex but times have changed. Arsenal fans realise that teams evolve over time & greatness is worth waiting for. There are pieces missing in the puzzle but not every team can buy overnight success
Need bazler back on cycling GK
Where does this whole thing about Totthenham having insane money but deciding not to spend it comes from? Do they have a whole oil country financing them? Do they have one of the wealthiest man in the world?
I don't know, it's the only club that I hear that about. They spend north of 150M€ every season. Last season they spend over 250M€. They put 60+ on Solanke. Yet people keep pretending they could do more but refuse to.
You know, not everybody has oil money. Not everybody can spend spend spend and never be in trouble with FFP.
They’ve spent money, just terribly 😂 65 million for solanke is crazy, James Madison pulling strings in the middle while he posts another dance on TikTok, the whole squad screams average. Brennan Johnson, dragusin Werner bentancur porro sarr average average average, I’d rather support Everton lol and that’s saying something. No depth and no quality in that squad minus kulusevski and son (sometimes)
Get that cup watto is using on merch..plzzzzz
It’s coming soon….
Arsenal will never pay omar the wages city are.
Studs up, initial contact is shin high, no attempt at the ball. Whether you think it’s red or not, he has gave the ref a decision to make. It’s silly from Lewis-Skelly imo.
The Thuram kids have potential
Defo