Hey Court, thanks!😊Just helping spread the word and help shed light on why things are. Keep up those podcasts and spreadsheets. Last ones have been bangers.
I frankly prefer the flexibility of double perks to the small benefits of enhanced perks. But I also love being able to use adept mods to alleviate bad rolls in the barrels and magazines.
I'm just going to point out that the Chalice of Opulence and Cryptolyth Lure systems were replaced by weapon crafting in Witch Queen. Crafting was practically a direct response to the positive reception from those 2 things. It's really unlikely to see them return now that it's in the game, especially with the many changes to weapon crafting made in the past 2 years, even if I think it's healthier and more enjoyable than crafting is.
Oh I know they were 2 systems before crafting (and crafting was the evolution/replacement of these systems). I was pointing out these systems could come back to help RNG weapons, since Bungie is already adding different ways to influence RNG weapons - be it multiple perks on vendor weapons after multiple resets or the Brave Arsenal attunement system.
As a strictly PvP only player, I'm glad the enhancement system was finally added to at least one PvP only weapon (Summoner). I've long been a proponent of PvP only players having a similar path to grinding max light level as PvE players. But for some reason PvE players reach PVP endgame level faster than PvP players.
I think what we should be able to do is combine two of the same weapon into one. I have a summoner with great mag and barrel perks but terrible traits and one with great traits but terrible mag and barrel perks. I would love it if I could combine the two and get the best of both guns. IDC how much it would cost material wise, and you would still have to grind for it if you wanted the best combo
@@lucaseureka2998The guy literally just stated in the video that Bungie came out and stated you cant change the barrel and masterwork because that is raid adept exclusive. Gives people a reason to farm the raid, otherwise it would make grinding for adept rolls a waste of time. Did you watch the video?
No (watch the video as I say). Only weapons created and released after Update 7.3.5: new Prophecy weapons, the 2 Weapons for IB/NF/Trials, the 3 Guardian Games weapons (the 2024 versions), and the Brave Arsenal Weapons. Everything I showed onscreen at 1:23 are enhanceable.
@@Commander_Pika yeah I should’ve taken my comment down. I finished the video and I must say I am a little disappointed. I would love to modify my fate bringer. But it is what it is and I won’t complain anymore than that and thank you for the response, your video was great and informative so I left a like😇
what do you think about the adept versions (summoner/slammer/prophet) of weapons that will be enhanceable (i didnt watch the podcast but read the summary where it states that the mag and barrel custumization is only for adepts so they can compete with the crafted versions) will the y have barrel and mag customization?
I have a zaoui’s bane adept I did all the required enhancements 2 be able 2 upgrade both right an left traits but was only allowed to upgrade the right trait an not the left can someone plz explain if im missing something
I always wanted a way to have selectable perks on a weapon and wanted adepts to feel special. Bungie basically admited the adepts are how you get that. Initially I would be glad to pay a ton of materials on crafting but since they said selectable perks put a strain on the system I understand. These makes the raid adepts sought after for me. The pain point really is farming them is extremely awkward after they removed spoils from raids not from the latest expansion. But if you get all spoils from secret chests from the community checkpoints you get up to 100 spoils per week. You can really only focus a single adept every 2 weeks if you're looking for the god roll (not counting random drops) I think that is fine and it does force you to make choices... you most likely won't get all the adepts, but you can get the ones you really want and that's fine by me. Them being enhanceable also solves the problem.
@@StormRaven47 Correction, not even first and second. You'll only be able to enhance columns 3 & 4 but you won't be able to change any of the perks themselves on BRAVE weapons. So the roll you have is the roll you keep. Just as additional info, the same goes for Nightfall and Trials Adepts - unchangeable perks and MW, but enhancable left/right columns. Switchable mag and barrel so far ONLY for raid adepts, more specifically if their non-adept version is craftable (so far in application its just RoN and Crota's End - even though KF, Vow, and DSC has craftable non-adepts). So for these you'd likely have to hunt your desired 3/5 rolls ignoring barrel and mag perks just left/right column and MW.
My main issues with them not extending barrel and mag changes to all enhanced weapons is that A. weapon drop rates are too low to justify the time spent getting them to drop at all. You can go an entire dungeon run with 2 secret chests and just get armor. There’s a good 30 minutes down the drain or maybe longer depending on the dungeon. And B. barrel and mag do more than just affect feel on guns. Accelerated coils on fusions is a strict dps increase which is not “feel”. Blinding nades add endless utility and that’s certainly not feel. Spike nades albeit much less now still affect damage output to a minor degree. Mag extension perks have direct a direct effect on things like reconstruction or envious assassin. So I don’t particularly like the description of 3rd column perks at the very least only having an effect on feel. Charge time mw also affects dps for the record and blast radius due to how heavy gl’s work decreases the amount of damage increase you get with spike grenades. These things do actually matter to a degree. So I want them to do one of 2 things going forward add another form of bad luck protection like putting an endgame material in and removing a perk from a guns perk pool for you would be cool albeit probably too technically demanding but something of that effect would be nice. Just add bad luck protection or make every encounter in a raid or dungeon always drop a weapon with the chance to drop armor or a second weapon. The time spent on grind to reward in this game is borderline predatory. If there was money involved we’d be edging on gacha territory and I don’t think the community really realizes how bad things are because destiny wants to be your only game if you wanna play end game so how could you know how green the grass is on the other side.
I've been playing Destiny since 2015 and I LOVE crafting and vehemently despise "RNG" only systems. Destiny 2 had been announced before I got Vex in D1. Random only is garbage. If it hadn't been for Rise of Iron being the most heavy metal thing in gaming EVER, I'd have never had enough forgiveness in my heart to play D2.
No. (Haven't done any enhancing post-TFS, but before, the masterwork bonus would just become visually hidden. Stat increase is still there, just no longer a "gold bar" showing which stat had the masterwork).
okay but dungeon weapons and dungeon farming is already the most slot machine you could get. armor shares the loot pool with weapons. like it really sucks that we cant even reroll masterworks. dont even get me started on the comp weapons having 6 rng slots to worry about and 3 drop max per week. its just really really bad both in terms of feel and probability
I did a test on a shayura's wrath that I got and as far as I can tell to enhance it takes an extra 3 enhancement cores. But cost the same amount of glimmer.
Sucks you wont be able to change the Magazine perk… I got a 4 out of 5 Elsie’s Rifle with Fluted Barrel (which I am fine with but would have loved arrowhead break), Appended Mag (I want ricochet rounds), zen moment, desperado, with stability MW… strict PVP role. Now I still need to grind for a role with ricochet rounds
Right now we don't know, since they recently expanded the list to of weapon and the wording is a little vague for some of them. We will know next week and i'll have an update video on it (whenever I get the chance). Just know that if it is enhanceable, only the perks in column 3 and 4 will be enhanced. You can't change the barrels, mag, or masterwork.
Based on what Bungie devs have said in the past, no. Weapons have to be designed, from the ground up, with enhancement in mind. It is possible that all raid adepts could get this functionality, but it wouldn't be compatible with your "current" Zaoili. You'd have to get a new one (most likely).
No, nothing confirmed for that. But if future raid adepts drop with multiple perks (like all other adepts in the game), I could seem them going back to Crota/RoN to have them drop with 2 perks. It just depends on how much different that iteration of weapon enhancement is with the new slew of weapons built with the TFS version in mind.
@@Commander_Pika Mannn i've spent about 500 spoils by now trying to get a good abyss defiant having double perks would make it so much easier. But i honestly doubt they would go back to it to add double perks considering how Vow and kingsfall are yet to be enhanceable. Vog still hasn't even got an origin trait yet.
If they just made masterwork stats optional on all weapons id be happy. Im sick of deleting everything with handling on it. Handling is such a gross stat.
Budget wants to add things for players to grind that will take a while so that will keep players in the game longer. which could be an easy fix for crafting. Decrease the red border drop rates, and increase the required red borders to obtain patterns to craft. Then inflate the resources needed to craft said weapons, and add things you would need to hunt down and grind for on the current locations available in destiny. This can work hand in hand with the content rotation the devs have spoken about before. By rotating seasonal an location content, they can essentially change the loot pool at random, and have it to where you need to have certain resources from certain locations that are only available at certain times of a month or seasonal rotation. This in practice would require players to scour maps like cosmodrome and an Europa , engage in more public events and lost sector, raids and dungeons would also become more grindy so take that thought as it is . Increase the amount of red borders with seasonal rotations and content,for instance we have forsaken missions lock are light levels like with queen campaign, then allows us to grind an unlock forsaken weapons while exploring tangled shore for a limited time. , down the line, make armor craftable since we using skins now most of the time that we unlock by finding armor, make one armor piece you can craft that's an exotic, That you choose which body slot it belongs to, with a selection of perks , and being able to decide it's stat roll from a limited amount of stat points provided. So you have 60 points available and you decide you want it all into mobility and resilience. Make the required resources to craft it very costly and time consuming to instill value in the grind. Add new perks to ghosts that compliment seasonal artifacts perks, for instance, a faster respawn in nightfall if you died while having a required armor charge count. Or longer champion stun durations. These things can be done over time after the game is finished, if Bungie truly has as much faith in the product as they claim too and are not lying to the players to milk every last cent out of destiny.
Cuz all I did is talk about that 1 sentence. Ignore me trying to clarify and bring light of how the system works to more people (since people are still confused on the difference of enhanced perks and full weapon crafting/customization), the commentary on RNG odds and god rolls, or feedback on how to better advance the system to better respect the players time. But ya, u right.
Hey! Thanks for covering the podcast and going into more detail discussing Enhanced perks. Great video!
Hey Court, thanks!😊Just helping spread the word and help shed light on why things are. Keep up those podcasts and spreadsheets. Last ones have been bangers.
@@Commander_Pika
Thank you for explaining it so clearly, i was confused as to why i couldnt change the mag and barrel of my edge transit but now i know.
More people should be talking about this!!! This is a huge update!! Wish I kept some more Guardian Game rolls...
I frankly prefer the flexibility of double perks to the small benefits of enhanced perks.
But I also love being able to use adept mods to alleviate bad rolls in the barrels and magazines.
I'm just going to point out that the Chalice of Opulence and Cryptolyth Lure systems were replaced by weapon crafting in Witch Queen. Crafting was practically a direct response to the positive reception from those 2 things. It's really unlikely to see them return now that it's in the game, especially with the many changes to weapon crafting made in the past 2 years, even if I think it's healthier and more enjoyable than crafting is.
I still think it would be good to introduce similar systems to places that don’t have craftable weapons, like dungeons.
Oh I know they were 2 systems before crafting (and crafting was the evolution/replacement of these systems). I was pointing out these systems could come back to help RNG weapons, since Bungie is already adding different ways to influence RNG weapons - be it multiple perks on vendor weapons after multiple resets or the Brave Arsenal attunement system.
@@Joemama-xw2wyshould just make it to where everything everywhere possible to modify even rng drops so people can whine about it afterwards
As a strictly PvP only player, I'm glad the enhancement system was finally added to at least one PvP only weapon (Summoner). I've long been a proponent of PvP only players having a similar path to grinding max light level as PvE players. But for some reason PvE players reach PVP endgame level faster than PvP players.
I think what we should be able to do is combine two of the same weapon into one. I have a summoner with great mag and barrel perks but terrible traits and one with great traits but terrible mag and barrel perks. I would love it if I could combine the two and get the best of both guns. IDC how much it would cost material wise, and you would still have to grind for it if you wanted the best combo
Ass
My biggest issue is not being able to change barrel and mag. If they changed that, I would be happy.
How you know we can’t change them
@@lucaseureka2998 Podcast info.
@@lucaseureka2998The guy literally just stated in the video that Bungie came out and stated you cant change the barrel and masterwork because that is raid adept exclusive. Gives people a reason to farm the raid, otherwise it would make grinding for adept rolls a waste of time. Did you watch the video?
Will this work for time lost weapons?
I haven’t seen the full video yet, but I really want to know if it works with the time lost VOG weapons.
No (watch the video as I say). Only weapons created and released after Update 7.3.5: new Prophecy weapons, the 2 Weapons for IB/NF/Trials, the 3 Guardian Games weapons (the 2024 versions), and the Brave Arsenal Weapons. Everything I showed onscreen at 1:23 are enhanceable.
@@Commander_Pika yeah I should’ve taken my comment down. I finished the video and I must say I am a little disappointed. I would love to modify my fate bringer.
But it is what it is and I won’t complain anymore than that and thank you for the response, your video was great and informative so I left a like😇
@@TheScarlettKing it's all good 😊 I too would love to enhance my fatebringer.
what do you think about the adept versions (summoner/slammer/prophet) of weapons that will be enhanceable (i didnt watch the podcast but read the summary where it states that the mag and barrel custumization is only for adepts so they can compete with the crafted versions) will the y have barrel and mag customization?
Barrel and Mag customization is just for raid adepts (since normal raid weapons are craftable).
I have a zaoui’s bane adept I did all the required enhancements 2 be able 2 upgrade both right an left traits but was only allowed to upgrade the right trait an not the left can someone plz explain if im missing something
you're missing the materials and the required weapon level go grind 😂
@@yol_n clearly you can’t read
@@21erikla what else would it be?????
@@yol_n clearly not what you said cuz I stated I met all the requirements to do all upgrades so 🤷🏻♂️
@@21erikla if you really met all the requirements why can't you upgrade? huh?
Wait I forgot, raid weps also need spoils so check that as well
Since when can you change barrel perks on Raid Adepts?
ever since the enhancement system was implemented in Lightfall
I always wanted a way to have selectable perks on a weapon and wanted adepts to feel special. Bungie basically admited the adepts are how you get that.
Initially I would be glad to pay a ton of materials on crafting but since they said selectable perks put a strain on the system I understand.
These makes the raid adepts sought after for me. The pain point really is farming them is extremely awkward after they removed spoils from raids not from the latest expansion. But if you get all spoils from secret chests from the community checkpoints you get up to 100 spoils per week. You can really only focus a single adept every 2 weeks if you're looking for the god roll (not counting random drops) I think that is fine and it does force you to make choices... you most likely won't get all the adepts, but you can get the ones you really want and that's fine by me. Them being enhanceable also solves the problem.
Thank you Pika, the video taught me a lot!
sorry for the stupid question but will you be able to select any perk on columns 3 and 4 for brave weapons?
No. Just first and second
@@StormRaven47 Correction, not even first and second. You'll only be able to enhance columns 3 & 4 but you won't be able to change any of the perks themselves on BRAVE weapons. So the roll you have is the roll you keep. Just as additional info, the same goes for Nightfall and Trials Adepts - unchangeable perks and MW, but enhancable left/right columns.
Switchable mag and barrel so far ONLY for raid adepts, more specifically if their non-adept version is craftable (so far in application its just RoN and Crota's End - even though KF, Vow, and DSC has craftable non-adepts). So for these you'd likely have to hunt your desired 3/5 rolls ignoring barrel and mag perks just left/right column and MW.
@@mistermorphescarnoe2898 so for my adept igneous hammer , can change encore for keep away?
Weapon barrels are veey much important sir!
agreed, range is make or break on pvp weps
My main issues with them not extending barrel and mag changes to all enhanced weapons is that A. weapon drop rates are too low to justify the time spent getting them to drop at all. You can go an entire dungeon run with 2 secret chests and just get armor. There’s a good 30 minutes down the drain or maybe longer depending on the dungeon. And B. barrel and mag do more than just affect feel on guns. Accelerated coils on fusions is a strict dps increase which is not “feel”. Blinding nades add endless utility and that’s certainly not feel. Spike nades albeit much less now still affect damage output to a minor degree. Mag extension perks have direct a direct effect on things like reconstruction or envious assassin. So I don’t particularly like the description of 3rd column perks at the very least only having an effect on feel. Charge time mw also affects dps for the record and blast radius due to how heavy gl’s work decreases the amount of damage increase you get with spike grenades. These things do actually matter to a degree. So I want them to do one of 2 things going forward add another form of bad luck protection like putting an endgame material in and removing a perk from a guns perk pool for you would be cool albeit probably too technically demanding but something of that effect would be nice. Just add bad luck protection or make every encounter in a raid or dungeon always drop a weapon with the chance to drop armor or a second weapon. The time spent on grind to reward in this game is borderline predatory. If there was money involved we’d be edging on gacha territory and I don’t think the community really realizes how bad things are because destiny wants to be your only game if you wanna play end game so how could you know how green the grass is on the other side.
That’s black scope three minutes in was clean ngl
Great video again! I didn't think I'd make a cameo but I did! 11/10
I've been playing Destiny since 2015 and I LOVE crafting and vehemently despise "RNG" only systems. Destiny 2 had been announced before I got Vex in D1. Random only is garbage. If it hadn't been for Rise of Iron being the most heavy metal thing in gaming EVER, I'd have never had enough forgiveness in my heart to play D2.
Do you lose masterwork bonus stat on weapon when u enhance traits?
No. (Haven't done any enhancing post-TFS, but before, the masterwork bonus would just become visually hidden. Stat increase is still there, just no longer a "gold bar" showing which stat had the masterwork).
okay but dungeon weapons and dungeon farming is already the most slot machine you could get. armor shares the loot pool with weapons. like it really sucks that we cant even reroll masterworks. dont even get me started on the comp weapons having 6 rng slots to worry about and 3 drop max per week. its just really really bad both in terms of feel and probability
Is it cheaper or the same cost to enhance a weapon vs masterworking? Is it a bad idea to masterwork first then enhance?
It's the same overall cost. Part of the initial enhancement cost to Tier 1 is to masterwork the weapon.
I did a test on a shayura's wrath that I got and as far as I can tell to enhance it takes an extra 3 enhancement cores. But cost the same amount of glimmer.
@@andrew177100 the cost to get it to T1 will be "whatever it takes to finish masterworking the weapon" + 3 cores (and spoils for raid weapons).
Sucks you wont be able to change the Magazine perk… I got a 4 out of 5 Elsie’s Rifle with Fluted Barrel (which I am fine with but would have loved arrowhead break), Appended Mag (I want ricochet rounds), zen moment, desperado, with stability MW… strict PVP role. Now I still need to grind for a role with ricochet rounds
Hii , will this work for adept igneous hammer season 22??
Right now we don't know, since they recently expanded the list to of weapon and the wording is a little vague for some of them. We will know next week and i'll have an update video on it (whenever I get the chance). Just know that if it is enhanceable, only the perks in column 3 and 4 will be enhanced. You can't change the barrels, mag, or masterwork.
So are the non shiny brave weapons enhanceable or just the shiny ones?
All brave weapons. (same goes for normal and adept versions of the listed weapons from Trials and Nightfalls).
@@Commander_Pika Thank you for confirming I thought so too until a couple people told me otherwise
Okay, but can we do this to legacy raid adepts? I want to use my godroll harrows Zaoli’s Bane
Based on what Bungie devs have said in the past, no. Weapons have to be designed, from the ground up, with enhancement in mind. It is possible that all raid adepts could get this functionality, but it wouldn't be compatible with your "current" Zaoili. You'd have to get a new one (most likely).
Do we know when the vog adept weapons will get enhanced perks?
nope. haven't mentioned anything. They would need a loot refresh and enhancement wouldn't work with your currently owned vog weapons.
@@Commander_Pika Sadge
Do you need the weapon pattern to enhance the perks?
Weapon Pattern is crafting. Weapon Enhancement is for non-craftable weapons. (So weapons that don't have a pattern).
does this mean that RON and Crota adepts will now roll with two perks?
No, nothing confirmed for that. But if future raid adepts drop with multiple perks (like all other adepts in the game), I could seem them going back to Crota/RoN to have them drop with 2 perks. It just depends on how much different that iteration of weapon enhancement is with the new slew of weapons built with the TFS version in mind.
@@Commander_Pika Mannn i've spent about 500 spoils by now trying to get a good abyss defiant having double perks would make it so much easier. But i honestly doubt they would go back to it to add double perks considering how Vow and kingsfall are yet to be enhanceable. Vog still hasn't even got an origin trait yet.
Great video thx
Will I be able to equip mementos?
They haven't mentioned that part, but I assume so. Would be weird to keep that exclusive to enhanced raid adepts.
If they just made masterwork stats optional on all weapons id be happy. Im sick of deleting everything with handling on it. Handling is such a gross stat.
it's the best pvp stat if the weapon has 100 range already
Damn I can’t change column 1 and 2 on brave weapons?
nope.
Thank you. For the explanation.
Budget wants to add things for players to grind that will take a while so that will keep players in the game longer. which could be an easy fix for crafting.
Decrease the red border drop rates, and increase the required red borders to obtain patterns to craft.
Then inflate the resources needed to craft said weapons, and add things you would need to hunt down and grind for on the current locations available in destiny. This can work hand in hand with the content rotation the devs have spoken about before. By rotating seasonal an location content, they can essentially change the loot pool at random, and have it to where you need to have certain resources from certain locations that are only available at certain times of a month or seasonal rotation.
This in practice would require players to scour maps like cosmodrome and an Europa , engage in more public events and lost sector, raids and dungeons would also become more grindy so take that thought as it is .
Increase the amount of red borders with seasonal rotations and content,for instance we have forsaken missions lock are light levels like with queen campaign, then allows us to grind an unlock forsaken weapons while exploring tangled shore for a limited time. ,
down the line, make armor craftable since we using skins now most of the time that we unlock by finding armor, make one armor piece you can craft that's an exotic,
That you choose which body slot it belongs to, with a selection of perks , and being able to decide it's stat roll from a limited amount of stat points provided.
So you have 60 points available and you decide you want it all into mobility and resilience. Make the required resources to craft it very costly and time consuming to instill value in the grind.
Add new perks to ghosts that compliment seasonal artifacts perks, for instance, a faster respawn in nightfall if you died while having a required armor charge count.
Or longer champion stun durations.
These things can be done over time after the game is finished, if Bungie truly has as much faith in the product as they claim too and are not lying to the players to milk every last cent out of destiny.
All honesty, I don’t mind this.
well done! you just stretched 1 sentence in the blog post into a 8 minute video
Cuz all I did is talk about that 1 sentence. Ignore me trying to clarify and bring light of how the system works to more people (since people are still confused on the difference of enhanced perks and full weapon crafting/customization), the commentary on RNG odds and god rolls, or feedback on how to better advance the system to better respect the players time. But ya, u right.