Daemon does have a genuine soft spot for the smallfolk/commoners. He's more at ease with them than he is at court. He sees them as more genuine and more interesting.
Jaehaerys was an amazing king. He also had the most fairytale/stable romance in the dynasty's history. His time was a golden age that lasted even beyond him. We now get to watch his descendants fuck it all up.
@@morena6717 No, he made the right decision. Rhaenys could have been Queen. But when the Westerosi were given a vote, they overwhelmingly chose Viserys. Rhaenys' personal qualities set aside, she would never have been able to sit the throne easy with all the deeply chauvinist lords potentially undermining her and testing her. Civil war might have come to Westeros sooner with a Queen Rhaenys I on the Iron Throne.
You know, about the Iron Throne, in the A Song of Ice and Fire novels, the Iron Throne is reportedly uncomfortable to sit upon due to the blades that radiate out from it, occasionally cutting the incumbent. The moral lesson Aegon intended for his heirs was that no ruler should ever sit upon the throne carelessly, just as they must not rule carelessly. The Iron Throne specifically contains the swords of those Aegon defeated in battle, but not of those who had surrendered honorably rather than give battle. As such, no swords from the North or the Vale of Arryn were included in the Iron Throne thanks to Torrhen Stark and Sharra Arryn.
Occasionally cut!? Lol the throne was described as having jagged and rusted edges everywhere. It wasn't crafted to be comfortable and I doubt its primary purpose is actually as a throne.
Ok, so from someone still technically living in a country with a 'monarchy' AND having had some crown princesses (even in my lifetime), this is how it works (over here): The king has a daughter, she is the crown princess. She grows up and becomes queen. Then she marries some prince or duke or whatever from who cares....He becomes/stays prince, because he will never be allowed to be 'higher' than the born heir (the queen). TLDR: A reigning queen's husband is a prince. A reigning king's wife is a queen (no matter her background).
I understand now what a Spartan tradition meant when it comed to women dying in childbirth. It is said that Spartans who die in war are buried with honors and tombstones as do women who die at childbirth because of their wars in the birthing bed. Queen Aemma's death was as visceral and brutal as any clash of knights as depicted in the Tourney scene. That is a masterclass in storytelling.
Hey guys, just wanna point out two things: Rhaenys Targeryen, the Queen Who Never Was, is actually Visery’s cousin, not his sister as was mentioned. She was the daughter of Visery’s father’s oldest brother who was first in line to the throne, so she had an even better claim than Viserys himself, which makes it even worse. Also the most famous “Dragon Dream” was that of Daenys the Dreamer, who had a dream about the Doom of Valyria and actually it was from her dream that Targaryens decided to leave Valyria and settle on Dragonstone. 12 years after the dream, Valyria was destroyed. The Velaryons were actually in Westeros (Driftmark) before the Targareyns moved there! Love your reactions by the way
Is a dragon dream just a Targ dreaming? I thought it was specifically dreaming about flying a dragon or actually being a dragon. Tyrion has dragon dreams. I know it's possible he's half Targ, but that's not 100%.
@@t.d.mcinturff1712 Aegon foresaw the threat of the White Walkers. Daenys dreamed about the Doom of Valyria. Viserys dreamed about having a son born with crown. Daenerys has dragon dreams preceding the birth of her three dragons. Sooo, that means Targ dreams were important, because they were more than just a dream. They dreamt about things and all of them happened
@@CarloRodriguez10 The Dany that saw the doom of Valyria was known to have prophetic dreams. That’s why her warning was taken seriously. Idk if other Targs had this ability that we’re aware of.
I'm so in love with Matt Smith's acting, I cannot describe it. And if I have to be honest he's the reason I recently binged all of Game of Thrones. I don't care if Daemon's mad, I'll be rooting for him because of Matt 😅🤣
I’m just gonna assume that Daemon is going to end up being more complex than he seems. I feel like it would be very disingenuous to say that he doesn’t care for his brother and niece, I feel like this episode did a good job exemplifying that. But he’s also very impulsive and volatile. I think he’s a lot like Jaime. A really vile guy who has some redeemable qualities. I think he begrudgingly keeps his head down while wanting more respect than he gets. He decides not to stab that Dornish knight in the leg, when we saw another sore loser literally kill someone earlier in the tournament. I don’t know. He doesn’t come off as completely putrid. Another thing that’s interesting about him is that he said he wanted to be the hand of the king as opposed to the leader of the city watch, the position that would allow him to be more violent? But I guess being the hand does grant him more power so this is a weak point. All in All, I like Daemon.
Couldn’t have put it better. Fun fact GRR Martin has said his favorite character is Daemon Targaryen. :) Some small context on book Daemon below but zero spoilers on his story only explain him as a person below. In the books Daemon is very morally grey being both loved and hated and he loves his family. Also he pacified kings landing very successfully in the books. I hope they portray him correctly.
The Normies are famously bad at analyzing tv and books, lol. They have no sense of subtext, and half of them are woke warriors who only think through the lens of Foucault and the Situationists. For instance, if Daemon was a woman, they would be calling the character an icon.
The amount of detail and lore they just packed in one Episode is crazy. I really, really enjoyed the Episode! Now, let us hope that it continues this way. Also, keep it up with the reactions because you guys have been the best over the years. 🐉⚔️👌
@@harryh.r.9082 i'll remind you that GRRM is involved as an executive producer of this show and they picked the showrunners that made the 2 best episodes to make HotD.
@@harryh.r.9082 Maybe Long Night 2: Winter Boogaloo will be worth it this time. Maybe it's the new showrunners' way of saying, "Alright guys, we know D&D fucked everything up on GOT, but we're gonna get it right this time on HOTD." At least I'm hoping they get it right.
it was a pleasant surprise , i will say this the script in the first episode is better than the entire season 8 , this doesnt feel rushed . i think daemon targerian is going to steal the show bec. the actor who plays him is very talented
The concept that Aegon the Conqueror flew to Kings Landing and united the realm into one kingdom for a purpose other than power and to conquer the known world also starts to draw a parallel between him and Daenerys when she determined that she wanted to break the wheel of power.
That parallel involving the Long Night was made to tie the two shows; it does get mentioned in any book including Fire and Blood. Unless Martin is going to reveal the alternate motive of Aegon in future book, that is a show(s) only detail.
@@StrongHamr Kind of endorsed by GRRM himself though, who has said in interviews, as far back as 2018, that there were rumors that Aegon foresaw the return of the Others/White Walkers and conquered the Seven Kingdoms to be better prepared to face this threat by the time it comes real.
@@StrongHamr interesting. I haven't read the books, so I didn't know that. I wonder if it is a hidden concept so far, since Martin once again has a strong hand in the lore and writing for this series... Just something to ponder on.
Okay I don’t know if anyone pointed this out but: The reason Targaryens are bonded to dragons is because back in Valyria the Targaryens and other dragon lords used blood magic to bond with dragons. The Targaryens weren’t the most powerful dragon lords either. Fast forward, Daenys the Dreamer then had a dragon dream about the doom of Valyria in which she convinced her father to leave and head to dragon stone. The doom happened about 10 years after the dream. Hope this was helpful!
Daemon is awesome! I mean there is a reason why he's G.R.R Martin's favorite Targaryen... "In his day there was not a man so admired, so beloved, and so reviled in all Westeros. He was made of light and darkness in equal parts. To some he was a hero, to others the blackest of villains" 🔥🖤
Daemon wasnt killing just random people mostly criminals. In the books Kings landing was a den of thieves and lawlessnes at that time. After Maegor the cruel Jaehearys was laxer on the people and ruled peaceful for a long time. Viserys was neglecting alot too at this time. So when Daemon got the command of city watch he became one with the goldcloaks which was his close support in the city. They definetly cleaned up the streets.
Daemon & the city watch were absolutely just killing random people. They were literally picking and choosing who was or wasn’t guilty based on the only fact that they were peasants. It’s clear that they we’re just trying to make a point about their force of brutality.
@@anthonyml6997 they werent, as someone else pointed out daemon picked and trained commoners who lived in flea bottom all their lives to be apart of the city watch they knew who the criminals were. its not like they have csi, best criminals can hope for is trail by combat or to be hanged back then.
@@crystall.411it's definitely possible in that case for Goldcloaks to falsely accuse people who wronged them or that they just dislike. Like do you think Daemons going to personally validate every execution that his subordinates do? He has other things to do, like getting in pissing contests with hand, or spending his time with underage prostitutes wearing white wigs.
I love how true to the lore of the book this is. The events of The Dance of the Dragons is a very narratively rich part of Westerosi history and hopefully they stay true to its lore in the adaptation. It will be short and I hope they don't fluff it too much just to pad the seasons and keep the show running
I like the show so far too, minus the fact that Daemon is opposed to Rhaeneryas which is the opposite in the book, and I have to suspend my disbelief how Coryls doesn't look similar to any of of his imbred Targaryan relatives.
@@theawesomeman9821 this is the first episode only Daemon and Rhaenyra can vie as heirs lol. Corlys is from Valyria, but he's not a Targaryen. It's easy enough to assume that Summer Islanders married into Valyrian houses.
The Dance of the Dragons is such an extensive story that even HBO said it'd take 3-4 seasons to complete. Which I believe is perfect. 40 episodes to properly tell this story.
Sadly she will be in only for a few episodes, and probably only for the first, since most of the season will be set a decade later with an older different actress playing the part.
@@carlossaraiva8213 Well almost 20 years are going to past..in the series so..it would have been difficult to film with such a young actress even if she's good...
I have never read the books so this is really new and fresh for me. I was skeptical in the first 10 mins but by the ending, I absolutely loved it! Matt Smith really hit it home!
The city watch roundup scene was very targeted. Its a semi common tactic used throughout history to hinder and stem rampant lawlessness. This is more an extreme version but definitely has happened like that a few times. Police still do diluted versions before certain political changes or events. This ep makes me think they're gonna dive into a 'dark age' type of warefare and brutality...
“Breech” is when the baby is positioned feet first, instead of head first. Without passing the head first, getting the shoulders out becomes near-impossible.
I think this is my favorite out of all HOTD ep 1 reactions. Yall are talking about good key points and healthily discussing the show and characters' nuance.
I got the vibes from Daemon and Rhenyra heavy. I get that Alicent has some feelings going on, she def had some subtle facial close-ups that were suspect
Perfect casting in this show, got a good tempo and editing between the different situations. Nudity, violence and gore is still at the same level as GOT, and the writing so far is also pretty good. Looking forward to where this is going, especially Daemon's lore. 🔥
My first time watching reactions, and my first channel, was The Normies Game of Thrones reactions. I've been just as excited for this show as I am for your reactions. I'm so happy!
How far we’ve come. I remember tuning in when y’all had less then 10k subs for GoT reactions. Who’d have thought. Congrats on all of your continued success. Hopefully this series lives up to the hype of its predecessor
the queens death was genuinely the first time in a movie or show that made me feel sick. My entire body clenched up. The acting was so good in the scene i got chills.
Ahhhh this brings back memories. Its sooo good seeing The Normies reacting to the OG Westeros content we all know and love. Feels like coming back home after a long trip. 😁 I loved the show btw. My favorite scene is between Viserys and Daemon just before he banishes him. The thing is, you can really tell how complex their characters and relationship is. Daemon does love his brother and is NOT WRONG about Ser Otto, but Ser Otto is not wrong about Daemon either. They are both second sons, both overshadowed by their elder brothers, both driven to make a name for themselves, and they are both ambitions in their own way. Its their rivalry and differences, and ultimately the ones between Alicent and Rhaenyra that we already see glimpses of, that will drive the story on. Cant wait to see how it goes.
I legit am so mfing impressed that they packed this much into the episode to set this up. This was AMAZING. I think Otto is our new Baelish, and that Daemon, for however rash he is, is way more important to the well-being of the house than anyone else. The rest are sus as hell. I think this episode sets him up as the violent bad boy, but it’s a little bit of a red herring… I’ve got my eye on Rhaenys, she’s giving “speak softly and carry a big stick” vibes. Snakes in the grass everywhere duuuude, I’m excited for this. When Syrax flew out of the clouds and over king’s landing at the start I got actually misty. The nostalgia 🥹 and the nostalgia of watching with you guys, I found y’all originally through searching for reactions to battle of the bastards. It’s been a long ass time!
Wow there are two actors from my favorite show “Outlander” on the cast ♥️♥️♥️ I wish a big channel like you guys would watch that show and give it the hype it deserves
Breech doesn't mean sideways - it means upside down. The head's supposed to come first, but for breech the feet or behind comes first. It's dangerous for the mom and the baby both.
Daemon it's not evil to me. I think he is a tremendous complex character but he loves his family. Him and Rhaenyra are gonna look amazing as a power couple 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Loving his family and being complex does not exlude the capacity for evil. He is cool, skilled and likeable though so I guess bias can excuse mass murder and betrayal...
I'm pretty sure gold cloaks knew which people were criminals to punish. In GoT, Bronn executed all the "known thieves." I think gold cloaks and Daemon were going after these "known" criminals in the city. Not sure how corrupted judicial system of King's Landing actually works, but I'm guessing they have list of known criminals that just don't get punished ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
7:01 I couldn't help but think this is what King's Landing was supposed to be after Khaleesi her reign had settled in... And that statue would have been for Viserion... And than this would have been Khaleesi 6:47
Just finished ep 1, and thought of you guys. Used to watch the GoT reactions back in the day, so it's been a while. Good to see your channel getting so many views!
you guys were the first GOT reactors Ive watched and subscribed to……..way back when this channel just started out. This channel’s name was different back then. Good to see y’all back.
Its interesting how they frame the Heir for a Day part. Its much like the book where its not clear if the events are actually true and in this case if it was actually said by Daemon. Loved the way they played it to try and turn the perception of Daemon further into the villain category while not necissarily deserving it fully.
Man, some of y'all look quite different after 3 years. I didn't get into reaction videos until I watched The Red Wedding scene in 2016. All thanks to The Rains of Castamere.
Otto is literally Little Finger but in a different font, he's a SNAKE. "That's what you do, isn't it? Turn family against family, turn sister against sister." Daemon has his faults, but he's described as someone who is both hero and villain, and has light and dark within him in equal measures. He's an asshole, but he loves his family, I don't think that will ever be in question in regards to his character.
Right we're talking about Otto who already feels shady claiming he got witness accounts who swear he did it. Some randos from a party?? We don't see it ourselves, he could've said it in a bittersweet tone for all we know, not smug or mockingly.
The soundtrack in this episode is an absolute masterpiece! So glad to hear from the goat Ramin Djawadi again. 1.) Notice how we get introduced to Rhaenyra and Syrax with a mix of the GOT opening and “Reign” from S6E9 aka Battle of the Bastards. 2.) And in the ending scene where Viserys talks to Rhaenyra and her official coronation as heir, the soundtrack used was heavily reminiscent of the track “Dance of Dragons” from S5E9 aka The Dance of Dragons foreshadowing the beginning of the Targaryen civil war. THEY DID NOT COME TO PLAY AND THEY MEAN BUSINESS THIS TIME FOR THE GOT UNIVERSE AND I AM HERE FOR IT!
I’m so excited for this! You guys are the first reaction channel I ever watched and it was Game of Thrones this is so damn cool to see everyone come together for HOTD!! 😍 first episode was awesome, I’m really hoping they can keep it up.
After rewatching several Times My most favourite moment was at the end of the episode when we can hear DragonsScreaming / All the Dragons roared as one....this gives me vibes of Game of Thrones season 1 episode 3 ending when Ned hears some past battle War sounds
Its ok Pat, everyone likes Daemon….it’s George’s favorite character. I’m glad u speak up for yourself and what you like and are unapologetic for it even when others try to explain to you why ur “wrong” or they think you’re “wrong”
Given Queen Aemma's history with childbirth, I bet Otto was keeping Prince Daemon away so he could foster hate between him and King Viserys, and by extension, his daughter, Princess Rhaenyra. He knew Daemon wanted to be Hand, but Otto wished to hold the position. That way, Otto could wait till Aemma died during childbirth, hopefully without a male hair. Then he could have his daughter, Alicent, seduce Viserys and marry into the royal family. He had Viserys name Rhaenyra Heir to the Throne just to buy time as he knew that as soon as Viserys got Alicent pregnant (if the seduction worked), Viserys would marry her in hopes of an male Heir. And if a living son was birthed by his daughter, his grandson would become the Heir by default. And Alicent is young enough that even if it wasn't male, Viserys would stay married and keep trying with Alicent. Calling it, setting Damon against Viserys and Rhaenyra, which I'm guessing is the plot of season 1, is all a part of Otto's plan to secure his family's position on the Throne.
Her husband would be Queen's Consort See British example - Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, was the husband of Queen Elizabeth II and served as the consort of the British monarch from her accession as queen on 6 February 1952 until his death in 2021
Viserys and Daemon both married for political reasons into the Vale… Viserys‘s wife Aemma is an Arryn (her mother was a Targaryen though, their fathers younger sister) and Daemon‘s wife is a Royce; so they basically married into the number 1 and 2 families of the Vale! One could now speculate this was to secure the support of the Lords of the Vale against Rhaenys and Corlys who had the Baratheons and Stormlords on their side 🤔 Just a minor fact… Viserys isn‘t as „good“ as you believe… he got Aemma pregnant when she was just 13 (him being a couple of years older) which might have contributed to why she had so many complicated pregnancies and lost so many children
Viserys had been married for a decade to Aemma by the Great Council of 101, which is the same year his father Baelon died, so, no, it was not for securing the claim against Rhaenys at all.
@@targaryen7029 He was 16, she 11 in 92 when they got married! If we wanna throw around facts, than please the correct ones 😉 And I didn’t mean the fact that they got married at that age is problematic (that’s quite normal by medieval standards; but they usually didn‘t consulate the marriage till a couple of years later), but she had already a couple of miscarriages and a son that died as an infant till she got Rhaenyra in 97, which means she got pregnant first at least at 12, which even in these times/circumstances in problematic (perhaps not morally, but anatomically)! It surely wasn’t helpful for her health, add to that that she might have had problems genetically with pregnancies (look into her mother)
@@guruxara7994 He was 16, she 11 in 92 when they got married! If we wanna throw around facts, than please the correct ones 😉 For the rest, read my other answer
Robert Baratheon is an underrated king. He was not personally a good ruler, but he was the next best thing: a good delegator. Everyone in his administration was *amazing* at their job and he didn't get in their way.
Otto seemed like an improved version of Littlefinger. Corlys denying getting his cup filled by Rhaenyra has to foreshadow him not backing her. I gotta believe he’ll back Daemon when the conflict starts.
So happy to see The Normies original crew complete for this episode… I discovered this channel at its beginning with the Game of Thrones reaction… what a journey!!!
Daemon does have a genuine soft spot for the smallfolk/commoners. He's more at ease with them than he is at court. He sees them as more genuine and more interesting.
I'd believe almost anyone is more at easy outside of court considering court is just merely a fight of words and scheming
@@DanLanningPRTeam And the drunks and pissants of his Gold Cloaks. Daemon likes commoners. Not just whores.
"Please let this kid be alive"
It's game of thrones my lady
It's not GoT!!!
The official title is GOT:HOTD
@@mschell8022 still classed as got
@@mschell8022 whys the official title got:hotd then?
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Jaehaerys was an amazing king. He also had the most fairytale/stable romance in the dynasty's history. His time was a golden age that lasted even beyond him.
We now get to watch his descendants fuck it all up.
He was way too easily manipulated.
@@chrisdaka8075 Jae? Hell nah. By who? His wife?
@@chrisdaka8075 viserys yes, jaehaerys? Absolutely not
He just made a bad decision regarding his successor. Rhaenys would have been an amazing Queen
@@morena6717 No, he made the right decision. Rhaenys could have been Queen. But when the Westerosi were given a vote, they overwhelmingly chose Viserys. Rhaenys' personal qualities set aside, she would never have been able to sit the throne easy with all the deeply chauvinist lords potentially undermining her and testing her. Civil war might have come to Westeros sooner with a Queen Rhaenys I on the Iron Throne.
You know, about the Iron Throne, in the A Song of Ice and Fire novels, the Iron Throne is reportedly uncomfortable to sit upon due to the blades that radiate out from it, occasionally cutting the incumbent. The moral lesson Aegon intended for his heirs was that no ruler should ever sit upon the throne carelessly, just as they must not rule carelessly. The Iron Throne specifically contains the swords of those Aegon defeated in battle, but not of those who had surrendered honorably rather than give battle. As such, no swords from the North or the Vale of Arryn were included in the Iron Throne thanks to Torrhen Stark and Sharra Arryn.
Occasionally cut!? Lol the throne was described as having jagged and rusted edges everywhere. It wasn't crafted to be comfortable and I doubt its primary purpose is actually as a throne.
@@pyramidion5911maybe they were doing some blood magic stuff with the throne maybe not.
fun fact daemon is george rr martin's favorite targaryen!
Yep. Great choice if character.
Ok, so from someone still technically living in a country with a 'monarchy' AND having had some crown princesses (even in my lifetime), this is how it works (over here):
The king has a daughter, she is the crown princess. She grows up and becomes queen. Then she marries some prince or duke or whatever from who cares....He becomes/stays prince, because he will never be allowed to be 'higher' than the born heir (the queen).
TLDR: A reigning queen's husband is a prince. A reigning king's wife is a queen (no matter her background).
Sometimes it can be Prince Consort or King Consort, depending on whether the Queen actually wants the power or not.
thats only true for the uk not necessarily for other monarchies
@@MohammedAli-hl4mr I'm not sure if you're replying to me or someone else. But I don't live in the UK :)
@@ssgtblackmamba7991 oh I was replying to you and that's how it works in the uk so I assumed you were from the uk. Where are you from then.
@@MohammedAli-hl4mr just across the water, The Netherlands
another hint at the end was Viserys repeating "Promise me, Rhaenyra" as Lyanna Stark did with Ned when she asked him to protect Jon.
I understand now what a Spartan tradition meant when it comed to women dying in childbirth.
It is said that Spartans who die in war are buried with honors and tombstones as do women who die at childbirth because of their wars in the birthing bed.
Queen Aemma's death was as visceral and brutal as any clash of knights as depicted in the Tourney scene. That is a masterclass in storytelling.
"Spartan women give birth to Spartan men". They were all hardcore.
@@Trepanation21 They were especially hardcore when it came to treating the Helots
Spartans were the weakest of the Greek Cities those slaver bastards got crushed by real Greek warriors.
the king cutting himself on the chair is foreshadowing the fact that by sending his brother away he's made a great mistake which will hurt him
Hey guys, just wanna point out two things: Rhaenys Targeryen, the Queen Who Never Was, is actually Visery’s cousin, not his sister as was mentioned. She was the daughter of Visery’s father’s oldest brother who was first in line to the throne, so she had an even better claim than Viserys himself, which makes it even worse. Also the most famous “Dragon Dream” was that of Daenys the Dreamer, who had a dream about the Doom of Valyria and actually it was from her dream that Targaryens decided to leave Valyria and settle on Dragonstone. 12 years after the dream, Valyria was destroyed. The Velaryons were actually in Westeros (Driftmark) before the Targareyns moved there! Love your reactions by the way
Is a dragon dream just a Targ dreaming? I thought it was specifically dreaming about flying a dragon or actually being a dragon. Tyrion has dragon dreams. I know it's possible he's half Targ, but that's not 100%.
@@t.d.mcinturff1712 Aegon foresaw the threat of the White Walkers. Daenys dreamed about the Doom of Valyria. Viserys dreamed about having a son born with crown. Daenerys has dragon dreams preceding the birth of her three dragons.
Sooo, that means Targ dreams were important, because they were more than just a dream. They dreamt about things and all of them happened
@@CarloRodriguez10 The Dany that saw the doom of Valyria was known to have prophetic dreams. That’s why her warning was taken seriously. Idk if other Targs had this ability that we’re aware of.
the wife that died, Aemma, was also his cousin
I'm so in love with Matt Smith's acting, I cannot describe it. And if I have to be honest he's the reason I recently binged all of Game of Thrones. I don't care if Daemon's mad, I'll be rooting for him because of Matt 😅🤣
he's so great isn't he
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Haha, same.
Matt really is the goat
I’m just gonna assume that Daemon is going to end up being more complex than he seems. I feel like it would be very disingenuous to say that he doesn’t care for his brother and niece, I feel like this episode did a good job exemplifying that. But he’s also very impulsive and volatile.
I think he’s a lot like Jaime. A really vile guy who has some redeemable qualities. I think he begrudgingly keeps his head down while wanting more respect than he gets. He decides not to stab that Dornish knight in the leg, when we saw another sore loser literally kill someone earlier in the tournament. I don’t know. He doesn’t come off as completely putrid.
Another thing that’s interesting about him is that he said he wanted to be the hand of the king as opposed to the leader of the city watch, the position that would allow him to be more violent? But I guess being the hand does grant him more power so this is a weak point.
All in All, I like Daemon.
Couldn’t have put it better. Fun fact GRR Martin has said his favorite character is Daemon Targaryen. :)
Some small context on book Daemon below but zero spoilers on his story only explain him as a person below.
In the books Daemon is very morally grey being both loved and hated and he loves his family. Also he pacified kings landing very successfully in the books. I hope they portray him correctly.
The Normies are famously bad at analyzing tv and books, lol. They have no sense of subtext, and half of them are woke warriors who only think through the lens of Foucault and the Situationists. For instance, if Daemon was a woman, they would be calling the character an icon.
The amount of detail and lore they just packed in one Episode is crazy. I really, really enjoyed the Episode! Now, let us hope that it continues this way. Also, keep it up with the reactions because you guys have been the best over the years.
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The only thing I didn't like was the whole long night thing cause it reminded me of the season 8 shitty writing...
@@harryh.r.9082 i'll remind you that GRRM is involved as an executive producer of this show and they picked the showrunners that made the 2 best episodes to make HotD.
@@unknownwarrior5672 Showrunners? I think you mean directors. Showrunner is a different thing.
@@spacecadet2172 thanks for the correction. You get what i mean tho
@@harryh.r.9082 Maybe Long Night 2: Winter Boogaloo will be worth it this time. Maybe it's the new showrunners' way of saying, "Alright guys, we know D&D fucked everything up on GOT, but we're gonna get it right this time on HOTD." At least I'm hoping they get it right.
I had no expectations for this series after the end of GoT. But this first episode was fire
And blood :)
yea my expectations were low but this felt like the writing of the early seasons with a bigger budget
@@ducksauce9187 The dialogue was great and allowed the actors to really shine. Could've seen George writing the words himself
New director and all! woo! I think the new director knows more than to mess it all up. Truthfully....its a lot pressure lol
it was a pleasant surprise , i will say this the script in the first episode is better than the entire season 8 , this doesnt feel rushed . i think daemon targerian is going to steal the show bec. the actor who plays him is very talented
6:12 Rhaenys is Jaehery’s eldest son’s daughter whereas Viserys is his second oldest son’s oldest son.
That’s weird because they both look like they are his son and daughter based on age.
@@TheMrGiannisgr jaeherys lived forever for that age.. 80+ years
@@TheMrGiannisgr they are cousins. Age doesn’t matter
@@suryanarayana9525 He died at 69. But that pretty much was 80+ for medieval times.
So they are simply cousins
The concept that Aegon the Conqueror flew to Kings Landing and united the realm into one kingdom for a purpose other than power and to conquer the known world also starts to draw a parallel between him and Daenerys when she determined that she wanted to break the wheel of power.
Except she wouldn't break the wheel, she's at the top and would never forsake her royal power.
That parallel involving the Long Night was made to tie the two shows; it does get mentioned in any book including Fire and Blood. Unless Martin is going to reveal the alternate motive of Aegon in future book, that is a show(s) only detail.
@@StrongHamr Kind of endorsed by GRRM himself though, who has said in interviews, as far back as 2018, that there were rumors that Aegon foresaw the return of the Others/White Walkers and conquered the Seven Kingdoms to be better prepared to face this threat by the time it comes real.
@@StrongHamr interesting. I haven't read the books, so I didn't know that. I wonder if it is a hidden concept so far, since Martin once again has a strong hand in the lore and writing for this series... Just something to ponder on.
She doesn't know about the prophesy.. It died on the Trident with Rhaegar, that's when the White Walkers began to wake up again.
Okay I don’t know if anyone pointed this out but: The reason Targaryens are bonded to dragons is because back in Valyria the Targaryens and other dragon lords used blood magic to bond with dragons. The Targaryens weren’t the most powerful dragon lords either. Fast forward, Daenys the Dreamer then had a dragon dream about the doom of Valyria in which she convinced her father to leave and head to dragon stone. The doom happened about 10 years after the dream. Hope this was helpful!
Some targaryens could foresee great disasters, thats how they escaped from valirya and aegon 1st also forsee a disaster
I'm pretty sure Dany gets a bit of this in the books too.
Just like OLD TIMES, or maybe OLD TOWN TIMES, ey guys!? Great to see you guys back!
It's SO good to see the gang again.
Daemon is awesome! I mean there is a reason why he's G.R.R Martin's favorite Targaryen... "In his day there was not a man so admired, so beloved, and so reviled in all Westeros. He was made of light and darkness in equal parts. To some he was a hero, to others the blackest of villains" 🔥🖤
Daemon wasnt killing just random people mostly criminals. In the books Kings landing was a den of thieves and lawlessnes at that time. After Maegor the cruel Jaehearys was laxer on the people and ruled peaceful for a long time. Viserys was neglecting alot too at this time. So when Daemon got the command of city watch he became one with the goldcloaks which was his close support in the city. They definetly cleaned up the streets.
Daemon & the city watch were absolutely just killing random people. They were literally picking and choosing who was or wasn’t guilty based on the only fact that they were peasants. It’s clear that they we’re just trying to make a point about their force of brutality.
@@anthonyml6997 they werent, as someone else pointed out daemon picked and trained commoners who lived in flea bottom all their lives to be apart of the city watch they knew who the criminals were. its not like they have csi, best criminals can hope for is trail by combat or to be hanged back then.
@@anthonyml6997 omg they weren't. Its kinda like when cop investigate on multiple cases for a while and then they arrest them. Its not jusr random
@@anthonyml6997 you have n8 clue what you talking about
@@crystall.411it's definitely possible in that case for Goldcloaks to falsely accuse people who wronged them or that they just dislike. Like do you think Daemons going to personally validate every execution that his subordinates do? He has other things to do, like getting in pissing contests with hand, or spending his time with underage prostitutes wearing white wigs.
Daemon and the King's father was named Baelon. So it's actually a red-blooded Targaryen name originally.
I love how true to the lore of the book this is. The events of The Dance of the Dragons is a very narratively rich part of Westerosi history and hopefully they stay true to its lore in the adaptation. It will be short and I hope they don't fluff it too much just to pad the seasons and keep the show running
They said 3-4 seasons which is perfect.
I like the show so far too, minus the fact that Daemon is opposed to Rhaeneryas which is the opposite in the book, and I have to suspend my disbelief how Coryls doesn't look similar to any of of his imbred Targaryan relatives.
@@gudhaxer41343 I think it's 5 seasons
@@theawesomeman9821 this is the first episode only Daemon and Rhaenyra can vie as heirs lol. Corlys is from Valyria, but he's not a Targaryen. It's easy enough to assume that Summer Islanders married into Valyrian houses.
The Dance of the Dragons is such an extensive story that even HBO said it'd take 3-4 seasons to complete. Which I believe is perfect. 40 episodes to properly tell this story.
49:40 In cases like that, usually the husband is called "Prince Consort"
Milly Alcock, perfect actress for Rhaenyra
young Rhaenyra, Emma D'Arcy is the other and, I think, it the main actress for Rhaenyra
Sadly she will be in only for a few episodes, and probably only for the first, since most of the season will be set a decade later with an older different actress playing the part.
@@carlossaraiva8213 Well almost 20 years are going to past..in the series so..it would have been difficult to film with such a young actress even if she's good...
Daemon Targaryen story will be so intriguing to follow 🔥
His character and actor playing him definitely stole the show the first ep.
I could tell Marketa doesn’t like him already lol. He’s the most interesting character after watching that first episode, in my opinion.
@@ktmsnoop I could tell to
@@ktmsnoop and the balck dude does not like him because he reminds him of the police ...
@@johnspart1177 it’s cringe lol. How about let the story tell itself
I have never read the books so this is really new and fresh for me. I was skeptical in the first 10 mins but by the ending, I absolutely loved it! Matt Smith really hit it home!
The city watch roundup scene was very targeted. Its a semi common tactic used throughout history to hinder and stem rampant lawlessness. This is more an extreme version but definitely has happened like that a few times.
Police still do diluted versions before certain political changes or events.
This ep makes me think they're gonna dive into a 'dark age' type of warefare and brutality...
That’s basically the Dance of the Dragons in a nutshell.
Tyrion has bronn do the same thing
Still happened here in south east asia in the 21th century 😬
“Breech” is when the baby is positioned feet first, instead of head first. Without passing the head first, getting the shoulders out becomes near-impossible.
I think this is my favorite out of all HOTD ep 1 reactions. Yall are talking about good key points and healthily discussing the show and characters' nuance.
I got the vibes from Daemon and Rhenyra heavy.
I get that Alicent has some feelings going on, she def had some subtle facial close-ups that were suspect
After SIX long years, Game of Thrones has returned. Thank you Sapochnick and GRRM!
It's only been three years.
@@Varekai0723 We're not counting the fanfiction
Oh look, a comedian!
@@adrijanav9819 oh look, a comedian!
@@adrijanav9819 fr it started being fanfiction after season 3
The Accent for “Dracarys” sooooo High Valerian
I actually think Daemon didn't say "the Heir for a day"...Otto said he said that. And we all know otto hates daemon
Perfect casting in this show, got a good tempo and editing between the different situations. Nudity, violence and gore is still at the same level as GOT, and the writing so far is also pretty good. Looking forward to where this is going, especially Daemon's lore. 🔥
My first time watching reactions, and my first channel, was The Normies Game of Thrones reactions. I've been just as excited for this show as I am for your reactions. I'm so happy!
Rhaenyra is not Jaehaerys grand daughter, she is his great grand daughter. Viserys is Jaehaery's grandson, not son.
Greyjoy is Balon, this prince is Baelon in honor of Viserys's and Daemon's father, prince Baelon the Brave.
the overwhelming confusion about exactly what the gold cloaks were doing was very amusing
How far we’ve come. I remember tuning in when y’all had less then 10k subs for GoT reactions. Who’d have thought. Congrats on all of your continued success. Hopefully this series lives up to the hype of its predecessor
I love how much Daemon looks like Elric of Melnibone in his black armor.
the queens death was genuinely the first time in a movie or show that made me feel sick. My entire body clenched up. The acting was so good in the scene i got chills.
My go to reaction squad for anything game of thrones.
"She was gutted at that decision". I giggled hard
Marketa: The legs are definitely broken *immediately the horse gets up*
Daemond is the Targaryen version of Tyrion and Jamie but much crueler. And that’s why I love his character.
Daemon was in flea bottom, those were the folks who were Raping, murdering and robbing sh"t, Daemon did well 🤙🖤
Seeing this reaction in my feed nearly brought a tear to my eyes. We’re back.
Y'all having a breakdown watching the tourney,meanwhile the og rhaenys is cleaning her nails like these summer children know nothing lol
yep, I love her
Ahhhh this brings back memories. Its sooo good seeing The Normies reacting to the OG Westeros content we all know and love. Feels like coming back home after a long trip. 😁 I loved the show btw. My favorite scene is between Viserys and Daemon just before he banishes him. The thing is, you can really tell how complex their characters and relationship is. Daemon does love his brother and is NOT WRONG about Ser Otto, but Ser Otto is not wrong about Daemon either. They are both second sons, both overshadowed by their elder brothers, both driven to make a name for themselves, and they are both ambitions in their own way. Its their rivalry and differences, and ultimately the ones between Alicent and Rhaenyra that we already see glimpses of, that will drive the story on. Cant wait to see how it goes.
"So, the "Fire" Watch Begins."
Great reaction Normies!
I legit am so mfing impressed that they packed this much into the episode to set this up. This was AMAZING. I think Otto is our new Baelish, and that Daemon, for however rash he is, is way more important to the well-being of the house than anyone else. The rest are sus as hell. I think this episode sets him up as the violent bad boy, but it’s a little bit of a red herring… I’ve got my eye on Rhaenys, she’s giving “speak softly and carry a big stick” vibes. Snakes in the grass everywhere duuuude, I’m excited for this. When Syrax flew out of the clouds and over king’s landing at the start I got actually misty. The nostalgia 🥹 and the nostalgia of watching with you guys, I found y’all originally through searching for reactions to battle of the bastards. It’s been a long ass time!
I believe the prophecy at the end speaks more to the books than the series. Who knows, I think we'll have some very interesting things to discover.
Wow there are two actors from my favorite show “Outlander” on the cast ♥️♥️♥️ I wish a big channel like you guys would watch that show and give it the hype it deserves
The husband of a ruling Queen is called a Prince-Consort
Breech doesn't mean sideways - it means upside down. The head's supposed to come first, but for breech the feet or behind comes first. It's dangerous for the mom and the baby both.
Daemon it's not evil to me. I think he is a tremendous complex character but he loves his family. Him and Rhaenyra are gonna look amazing as a power couple 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Loving his family and being complex does not exlude the capacity for evil. He is cool, skilled and likeable though so I guess bias can excuse mass murder and betrayal...
They didn't know to clear the baby's lungs of fluid after that type of delivery. In a normal delivery the baby is compressed on the way out.
Oh? I have never heard anyone mention this! No idea that this could’ve been the reason the baby didn’t make it.
I'm pretty sure gold cloaks knew which people were criminals to punish. In GoT, Bronn executed all the "known thieves." I think gold cloaks and Daemon were going after these "known" criminals in the city. Not sure how corrupted judicial system of King's Landing actually works, but I'm guessing they have list of known criminals that just don't get punished ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
7:01 I couldn't help but think this is what King's Landing was supposed to be after Khaleesi her reign had settled in... And that statue would have been for Viserion... And than this would have been Khaleesi 6:47
To answer your question Daemon would still be prince, since King implies rule. The same way irl we had 'Prince' Phillip, its not a ruling title
Just finished ep 1, and thought of you guys. Used to watch the GoT reactions back in the day, so it's been a while. Good to see your channel getting so many views!
you guys were the first GOT reactors Ive watched and subscribed to……..way back when this channel just started out.
This channel’s name was different back then.
Good to see y’all back.
Its interesting how they frame the Heir for a Day part. Its much like the book where its not clear if the events are actually true and in this case if it was actually said by Daemon. Loved the way they played it to try and turn the perception of Daemon further into the villain category while not necissarily deserving it fully.
The first time I saw the Normies was The Battle of the Bastards. This brings back so many memories.
Oh yes ! Can't believe we get to see GOT universe together again 🤗 this series is very nostalgic
Matt Smith went from Morbious to House of the Dragon. This saved his career !
Prince consort..is the title of a ruling queens husband.
Otto: it was an unprecedented round up of criminals of every ilk
You guys: nahh can't be
Man, some of y'all look quite different after 3 years. I didn't get into reaction videos until I watched The Red Wedding scene in 2016. All thanks to The Rains of Castamere.
Otto is literally Little Finger but in a different font, he's a SNAKE. "That's what you do, isn't it? Turn family against family, turn sister against sister." Daemon has his faults, but he's described as someone who is both hero and villain, and has light and dark within him in equal measures. He's an asshole, but he loves his family, I don't think that will ever be in question in regards to his character.
But the thing is, we didnt really hear Daemon say those words to his nephew. It could've been something else
Right we're talking about Otto who already feels shady claiming he got witness accounts who swear he did it. Some randos from a party?? We don't see it ourselves, he could've said it in a bittersweet tone for all we know, not smug or mockingly.
But yet he didn’t deny it when confronted…
@@anthonyml6997 but he didnt confirm it too
“So this is like the iPhone 2 of the city watch” lmfaoooo Mickey be hilarious 😂
i watched matt in crown, one of the best actors in the show, i already knew he'll be great this time too!
Ahhhh yeah! How it all started! The gang is all back together...more or less!
when it comes to kings and queens, think of it like Elizabeht II. she's the queen, her husband wasnt the king. he was just a prince.
Who ironically was acted by Matt Smith in the Crown.
@@becki8000 omg I forgot all abt that. Yaaaaassss.
The soundtrack in this episode is an absolute masterpiece! So glad to hear from the goat Ramin Djawadi again.
1.) Notice how we get introduced to Rhaenyra and Syrax with a mix of the GOT opening and “Reign” from S6E9 aka Battle of the Bastards.
2.) And in the ending scene where Viserys talks to Rhaenyra and her official coronation as heir, the soundtrack used was heavily reminiscent of the track “Dance of Dragons” from S5E9 aka The Dance of Dragons foreshadowing the beginning of the Targaryen civil war.
THEY DID NOT COME TO PLAY AND THEY MEAN BUSINESS THIS TIME FOR THE GOT UNIVERSE AND I AM HERE FOR IT!
From seeing you guys for first time in the season 5 premiere, all the way to here... Man what a journey. Kia kaha. Much luv.
And y’all wonder why Tywin was the way he was, he saw a similar event happen but had Tyrion around as a constant reminder of it, tough man
He didn’t need to take it out on Tyrion though
The acting was really good from all the cast
Nothing makes a prince so well esteemed as undertaking great enterprises and setting a fine example.”
- Niccolo Machiaveli
I’m so excited for this! You guys are the first reaction channel I ever watched and it was Game of Thrones this is so damn cool to see everyone come together for HOTD!! 😍 first episode was awesome, I’m really hoping they can keep it up.
When it comes to Daemon's marriage, it was set up by his grandmother, Good Queen Alyssane.
Chris and Marketa already hate Daemon for no reaason
dont hate him just seems like a jerk butt
shocker
After rewatching several Times My most favourite moment was at the end of the episode when we can hear DragonsScreaming / All the Dragons roared as one....this gives me vibes of Game of Thrones season 1 episode 3 ending when Ned hears some past battle War sounds
Its ok Pat, everyone likes Daemon….it’s George’s favorite character. I’m glad u speak up for yourself and what you like and are unapologetic for it even when others try to explain to you why ur “wrong” or they think you’re “wrong”
So good to be back in Westeros with you guys. What a ride it has been since the first GoT reactions! 😊 Love you all, this will be so much fun! 🥰
Given Queen Aemma's history with childbirth, I bet Otto was keeping Prince Daemon away so he could foster hate between him and King Viserys, and by extension, his daughter, Princess Rhaenyra. He knew Daemon wanted to be Hand, but Otto wished to hold the position. That way, Otto could wait till Aemma died during childbirth, hopefully without a male hair. Then he could have his daughter, Alicent, seduce Viserys and marry into the royal family. He had Viserys name Rhaenyra Heir to the Throne just to buy time as he knew that as soon as Viserys got Alicent pregnant (if the seduction worked), Viserys would marry her in hopes of an male Heir. And if a living son was birthed by his daughter, his grandson would become the Heir by default. And Alicent is young enough that even if it wasn't male, Viserys would stay married and keep trying with Alicent. Calling it, setting Damon against Viserys and Rhaenyra, which I'm guessing is the plot of season 1, is all a part of Otto's plan to secure his family's position on the Throne.
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Yup, that about sums it up. Otto is basically the Tywin of this story in regards to how badly he wants royal grandchildren.
I love the symbolism of the cut from the Iron Throne. It shows that blood surrounds the throne and the throne takes the blood from those who sit on it
I'm really glad we get to see an Iron Throne hurt the person who's sitting on it. That's a small thing I wish was GoT.
It was! Joffrey was cut in the 2nd season finale, after which Tywin took over the scene
I am so happy to see the Normies doing House of the Dragon. My world is alright now.🥰
"They the police i'm tryna tell you" favourite quote of the ep
Her husband would be Queen's Consort See British example -
Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, was the husband of Queen Elizabeth II and served as the consort of the British monarch from her accession as queen on 6 February 1952 until his death in 2021
Viserys and Daemon both married for political reasons into the Vale… Viserys‘s wife Aemma is an Arryn (her mother was a Targaryen though, their fathers younger sister) and Daemon‘s wife is a Royce; so they basically married into the number 1 and 2 families of the Vale!
One could now speculate this was to secure the support of the Lords of the Vale against Rhaenys and Corlys who had the Baratheons and Stormlords on their side 🤔
Just a minor fact… Viserys isn‘t as „good“ as you believe… he got Aemma pregnant when she was just 13 (him being a couple of years older) which might have contributed to why she had so many complicated pregnancies and lost so many children
Viserys had been married for a decade to Aemma by the Great Council of 101, which is the same year his father Baelon died, so, no, it was not for securing the claim against Rhaenys at all.
Viserys was 15 at that time so a child too. They were both children. By Westeros' standards such marriage was normal, unfortunately.
He had 15 and she 13, they both was teenagers... It wasn't his fault tbh...
@@targaryen7029 He was 16, she 11 in 92 when they got married! If we wanna throw around facts, than please the correct ones 😉
And I didn’t mean the fact that they got married at that age is problematic (that’s quite normal by medieval standards; but they usually didn‘t consulate the marriage till a couple of years later), but she had already a couple of miscarriages and a son that died as an infant till she got Rhaenyra in 97, which means she got pregnant first at least at 12, which even in these times/circumstances in problematic (perhaps not morally, but anatomically)! It surely wasn’t helpful for her health, add to that that she might have had problems genetically with pregnancies (look into her mother)
@@guruxara7994 He was 16, she 11 in 92 when they got married! If we wanna throw around facts, than please the correct ones 😉
For the rest, read my other answer
Robert Baratheon is an underrated king. He was not personally a good ruler, but he was the next best thing: a good delegator. Everyone in his administration was *amazing* at their job and he didn't get in their way.
Otto seemed like an improved version of Littlefinger. Corlys denying getting his cup filled by Rhaenyra has to foreshadow him not backing her. I gotta believe he’ll back Daemon when the conflict starts.
Otto is more like Tywin, there is a character that is more like Littlefinger that we will meet in the future
So happy to see The Normies original crew complete for this episode… I discovered this channel at its beginning with the Game of Thrones reaction… what a journey!!!
When Princess Rhaenyra unsheathed her sword and whispered, "It's MORBIN time," I lost it.
The husband of a sitting queen is Prince Consort.
Shoutout Caraxes the LOOOONGBOI!
Caraxes the goodest boii
Team Blood Wyrm! Yeah baby!!