HIJACK ATTEMPT by Jumpseat Pilot onboard Horizon | Diverts to Portland
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- Опубліковано 22 жов 2023
- 22/OCT/2023
Horizon E175 from Seattle to San Francisco had to divert to Portland after the pilot sitting in the jumpseat inside the cockpit tried to reach both Engine Fire handles on the overhead panel, which would cause both engines to stop receiving fuel and shut down.
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Awaiting further details on the investigation...
EDIT: Case assigned to the FBI.
Also, one minor correction: it was a flight from Paine Field, not SeaTac.
"Good afternoon this is your pilot speaking with a little in flight information.
Coming up on your left we're going to be catching a glimpse of the Grand Canyon..
Couple little facts here i'm packing a Colt King Cobra thats a 357 caliber firearm with a black rubber grip and a 6 inch barrel, also the co-pilot is carrying a Kimber Custom Defense pistol with all of the bells and whistles you'd expect from a custom gun of that kind with an alloy frame and bevel treatment on the entire gun and our Chief Flight Attendant Roger has a Ruger Bearcat that 22 with a hand fluted cylinder.
All three are capable of piercing body armor at a distance of up to 27 feet and can put a hole in human bone and flesh the size of the Grand canyon, which by the way is coming up on the left hand side of the plane. So just sit back and relax and enjoy the rest of the flight"
Victor, I've several friends in managerial positions at KMDT, our state capitol's international airport, and accessory USAF ARFF Training Facilities. If/when I receive updates, I'll forward them via email, in emergent fashion.
@@MickyMonday Also great for destroying important parts of the aircraft when the target is missed.
Of course it was. Feds have jurisdiction
Joseph David Emerson, 44, arrested and charged with 83 counts of attempted murder, endangering an aircraft and reckless endangerment, case being handled by the FBI. From KATU Portland a few minutes ago.
Thank you for the info, I imagine there was 83 people besides him on the plane and that’s why there’s 83 counts of attempted ☠️
I’m sure he will walk away with a minor misdemeanor charge and not a single day in lockup
@@atcdude067Sure. Yeah. That really helps.
@@atcdude067 Hell, they probably won't even fire him 🤣 Claim momentary insanity, institutionalized for a year.
Personally, I always said airplanes need airlocks. Put the problem passenger in the airlock and tell them "you screw up, I'm opening the vent.. have fun with the pressure and lack of O2 at 37,000 feet". At first I thought should allow them to get sucked out, but it's unnecessary.
I see the state attorney always shoots for the highest possible conviction. Attempted murder... yeah right...
That is one squawk code a pilot will never want to enter.
Friend of mine apparently did it early in his IFR career. It's a bit hard to get hijacked while flying solo, but my friend was skilled. He was trying to go to 1200 but while switching he started focusing on his next task, and his unconscious did something silly. ATC was inquisitive, he fixed it. Nothing much happened in the end other than a lesson to stay focused on one thing at a time.
@@benoithudson7235 How do you end up at 7500 when going to 1200?
@@thomasdalton1508 like he said, he’s skilled
I’ve heard of pilots mistaking climb 7500 as squawk 7500 and thinking ATC is telling them to enter that as their xpdr code…that would be a bit of an amateur move though.
According to fr24 AS2059 never changed to 7500.
I love how the captain referred to him as occupant rather than as a fellow pilot. Instantly and permanently kicked out of the club!
Even if he is ever released, I very much doubt if he will ever be allowed to board an aircraft again, even as a passenger.
He *wasn't* a pilot of this aircraft, not even rated on it. So he is accurately described as an occupant.
@@phillee2814 Oh he'll be on board an airplane again. ConAir. In the back.
Oh, this guy's career is toast
@heidikone2986
His career is toast, but funnily enough may save more people yet.
He had been battling with clinical depression, which went untreated, as treatment for depression revoked one's meical clearance.
He had a major episode returning from a commemorative trip (for his friend who died two years prior), and due to other circumstances contributing had a major episode.
Basically the bloke has not slept for 72 hours at that point and thought he was in a nightmare he could not wake up from.
So he tried to wake up...
He was fighting with his own sanity, which is why the charges were downgraded.
The FAA has setup a comission to ensure pilots can get treatment AND have a way back to work, rather than having to hide mental illnesses even at an early stage.
The pilot who crashed a germanwing plane in europe was also diagnosed with depression before, but he got a note that if the depression returned he would be permanently suspended. Guess who never went to the doctor afterward...
This is an outstanding result, the insider threat is almost impossible to defend against (e.g. Germanwings). Kudos to the crew for doing so successfully.
Agreed. I don't know what happened exactly. But fast thinking and action to prevent the fire suppression system being triggered to kill the engines and the people on board.
And Fed Ex 705
Alaskan LE frequently transport prisoners on small aircraft in bush Alaska. When I say small, I'm saying Cessna 207s and the like.
We rarely have problems, much of it is because our prisoners know the drill, and also because they know we only answer one way to a threat on board a flying aircraft...
It's amazing how many suicidals change their mind once a Glock is pressed against their forehead.
@@andysPARKokay educate me - in the event that the guy was successful in shutting down the engines - wouldn't the airplane just glide until someone turned the engines back on?
@@roadracerdave7645not if the fire suppression system were engaged.
Gotta wonder how he didn’t succeed..
As a fellow E-Jet driver, I know the fire handles are right in front of the jumpseater. He could have been quick enough to pull both handles and twist them (blowing the fire bottles and making a restart impossible) before anyone knew what was going on.
Also I have to know how they were able to force him out of the flight deck. The jumpseat folds out in front of the flight deck door, blocking egress from the flight deck. Stowing that thing can be a real pain in the ass and is a two handed operation. There isn’t a lot of room to stand up and maneuver in that flight deck either. Also with both pilots at their stations, the jumpseater has the leverage and the upper hand in any senario simply by being behind them.
Lots of questions for how this specifically played out.
Mhmm maybe just maybe he was in the jumpseat joking around about the attempt to shut down the engines?!
Indeed, it seems like the jumpseater wasn't really determined to go through with whatever his plan was, and gave up pretty quickly. Of course, people can believe they are determined, but when the moment comes, survival instinct or something else makes them hesitate.
what 'weaponry' do you have quick at hand in the flight deck anyway? flashlights, fire-axe, iPad, coffee thermos? just curious.
Some pilots are allowed to carry guns, so they could have done something. Also they likely handcuffed that pilot before getting him out of the cockpit
@@theEagleBeaglecrash axe
This will probably ruin jump seating for many pilots. Good job, sillyhead!
Sillyhead. Really breaking out the salty language there, mate.
Can't imagine it would have too much effect. The people authorised to use the jump seat tend to be pilots anyway with their own opportunities flying aircraft. It's just a likely that a PIC/SIC could be the one attempting this, in which case having someone in the jump seat could be very beneficial.
There was an incident a long time back at FedEx with a similar hijacker attempt that unfortunately resulted in far more serious injuries.
This isn't the first time this has happened, I remember there was one on a cargo plane decades ago that the pilots were attacked by a jump seat pilot with a hammer or something, and landed the plane bleeding from the head but still made it. So while it's very scary to hear about something like this, it's much like any aircraft safety statistic, sure you heard about this one problem, but there were probably thousands of other jump seat pilots that day alone who didn't choose to try and crash a plane.
@@dgpatterI agree! He is clearly a poopyhead
Per FAA - Common Strategy identifies four distinct threat levels that help crewmembers identify their responsibilities and appropriate response:
Level 1: Disruptive behavior - suspicious or threatening
Level 2: Physically abusive behavior
Level 3: Life-threatening behavior
Level 4: Attempted or actual breach of the flight deck
Thanks, I was wondering what the levels were
@@billb7876 me too.
And level 5:all of the above
You could hear how reluctant the pilot was to state the level as a 4 likely because saying it out loud made the significance of what just happened resonate.
@kathrynslye471 nah I think they just forgot the levels. I know I did, even though I just had training including it a few months ago. It's not something you use very often, if ever, so you toss it out of your memory to make room for other stuff
Never saw a plane on the channel squawk 7500 and display HJ on the radar screen. Spooky stuff
The HJ on radar must have raised the blood pressure of everyone at ATC centers.
@@North_West1 youre not joking. post 9/11, thats some serious stuff. (obviously before it was serious too, but yikes)
@@MrPuddinJonesdoesn't seem like a very offensive or bad comment, probably true aswell
You can expect a great deal of commotion on the ground.
That was my first thought too when I saw HJ! Definite daaaammnn moment when you realize someone had to punch in 7500 for real.
wow, those pilots displaying such calm in the air after such an incident - I imagine it will hit them hard once they are off the plane. I hope that the airline will provide them all the support that they need
Yeah, that's exactly what I was thinking too. Gonna have some serious trust issues after this.
That was "I'm annoyed now that my day has gotten much longer due to all the paperwork and other hassles this situation brought with it" tone of voice.@@JonnyJetPilot
@@terdferguson69lmao
*Balls of Steel* Special pants brigade! Not tryna be sexist but you always need at least 1 man in the cockpit. Hopefully he’s the sane 1.
I don't have a baseline for their voices but they seemed quite shaken up.. which is really saying something with pilots.
As a retired mechanic, who frequently rode in the jump seat, I'd just like to point out that of the small number of attacks that have happened, thus far, all have been pilots. I'm no statistical genius, but I wonder if the FAA had better medical policies for mental illness (IE pilots are afraid to consult with mental health providers because they feel threatened with losing their livelihood) if that might not go a long way in preventing this kind of thing in the future.
they all got the vax and boosters.
Well said.
This is a no win situation. If someone tells the faa they're thinking of suicide and they don't immediately ground them just imagine the fallout if they then acted on it
@@VideoViewer33512if a pilot needs to fly out of a different airport, they hop on a jumpseat and are flown to the other airport by a different flight
Not how things work in the US. America, as a culture, is obsessed with punishment and vengence and fear, not with care or responsibility. This will engender the typical American response: focus on criminal charges and punishment, rather than wait for an actual psych evaluation, let alone a full & proper investigation. Followed by sending him to prison and people saying asinine things like "I hope that he gets the help he needs" when they know that care is the *last* thing that will happen in a US prison.
When did the US become so obsessed with vengence and punishment, and care less about understanding *why* something had happened and opting for the *best* course of action from that point?
This definitely isn't the typical emergency you train for in the sim! Congratulations to the entire crew for this outcome. I can't imagine the trust issues they will struggle with now.
This was nothing short of attempted murder and should be treated as such.
He was charged with 83 counts of attempted murder 1, 83 counts of reckless endangerment and 1 count of endangering aircraft 1.
83 counts of attempted murder, among other charges.
seems more like a attempted suicide
@@ZERO-911- Not when there are federal charges.
@@ZERO-911nah he’ll probs get life. You know Americans dont play bout them hijackings
What makes it even worse is being let down by another pilot.
“The worst part was the hypocrisy.” -Norm MacDonald
Every community has its proportion of people who can do harmful things. Its a character flaw in our species probably from the weakness of evolutionary processes. The capability of murderous intent and willingness to war with competing tribes for resources to private lineage allows for suspension of normal driving behaviours.
Hopefully in time we'll master our most brutal animalistic behaviours in favour of becoming intelligently capable of choosing to find another way.
Reminiscent of that FedEx nearly successful hijack by a jump seat pilot
If it was the proper flight crew, he would have had a female pilot but he went over the limit the day before. That DC-10 was the last DC-10 to be retired by FedEx at the end of 2022, reducing the remaining fleet worldwide to less than 10.
@@AEMoreira81 I worked at the Memphis FedEx Hub when that event occurred. The plane came right over our house in an area that was unusual for aircraft to fly (too close to the airport and too far of the normal flight path to make that runway). I remember telling my wife something was up with that plane banking that hard over our house. When the FBI released the plane back to FedEx I went inside the cockpit to check it our. It was a horrible scene.
Glad I'm not the only one who remembered that from the mid 90's. Looked it up and it's FedEx Flight 705. Employee who was being recalled for questions about his application and possible termination decided he was going to take over the plane and crash it into their hub. Glad both attempts were thwarted.
@@donabernathy3972I was working for Roadway Global Air when this happened. Had our normally unflappable boss shaken.
As I recall, the man had gone berserk and the pilots and one other person were trying to restrain him while keeping the plane flying.
The threat level never reduces. You had a level 4. It stays at 4 until you’re on the ground and the threat is off the aircraft.
I know right. Some pilots are always trying to down play a pax threat situation. Normally cause they can’t see it. But this time they were right there and still tried to down play it. Once it’s a 4 it’s always a 4 duh !
i dont think the pilot realized he was being asked for an official coded threat level. More so he thought the question was about the general threat at the time. Then the ATC clarified.
For the immediate law enforcement response what the pilot said mattered and was more time critical than the following paperwork.
The advisory says "a confirmation the flight deck is secure, and any other information deemed necessary for ATC, law enforcement..." they did that.
For ATC this information can mean "do I have to call regular cops or a SWAT team".
you can certainly hear the tension in his voice particularly when he makes first contact with tower.
Yes, indeed.
Nowhere in my news feed... and I live directly under that flight route in Oregon. Thanks for covering this VAS!
Because letting the general public know pilots can be suicidal hurts peoples trust in aviation. Aka less money flow into the industry/taxes
KGW and KATU at the least had it on their news reports, probably all four stations
It was all over the news here in Australia.
That pilot sounded like the wind had been taken right out of his sails after the sanctity of the cockpit had been violated in such a way by a fellow aviator. A colleague too, no less.
Hats off to the crew for containing the threat and commanding the situation to a safe conclusion.
Just a truly depressing event.
This was in my hometown in Everett at KPAE. Thank you for sharing this, I was about to email you!
Glad everyone is okay!
That is scary, it's happened before with tragic results. Glad they made it to Portland.
Commuting and the psych evaluation just got harder
Wow. Kudos to the pilots who had to respond to the surprise incident. NTSB normally does not release the Cockpit Voice Recorder audio, only the transcripts. Perhaps they can make an exception in this case, though I doubt they can.
Unions will fight it so there won't be an attempt to release it. This is not the case to bring up that fight.
@@hewhohasnoidentity4377It also adds nothing of value to the public discussion. All it does is satisfy some peoples desire to witness drama.
It wasnt the cockpit recordings it was the radio communications with the airtraffic controllers.
@@maximilian672 I disagree, the public could learn what he was thinking which is of value to help us drive public policies. If he's complaining about being overworked or whatnot thats something we should know.
@@LordSStorm These recordings are now evidence in a criminal investigation under federal jurisdiction until they are entered into evidence in court they should remain confidential.
Off-duty pilot Joseph Emerson charged with 83 counts of attempted murder after attempting to shut down plane's engines during Alaska Airlines flight.
Emerson, a resident of Pleasant Hill, California, now faces a considerable raft of charges, including 83 charges of attempted murder, a Class A felony with a mandatory sentence of 7.5 years per count in Oregon. He is also charged with one count of endangering an aircraft and several more for reckless endangerment.
In a statement to KATU News, the Port of Portland Police confirmed that his case has been taken over by the FBI.
@@TomServo1969 I somehow don't think he'll serve the full sentence, as it would be 622.5 years mandatory plus whatever is added for endangering an aircraft and reckless endangerment. Seems like it should be a good result for all if he gets the treatment he clearly needs in prison.
There is a duty of care even there, and I hope they have him on self-harm watch in case he tries to escape the judge that way.
Typical American response: focus on criminal charges and punishment, rather than wait for an actual psych evaluation, let alone a full & proper investigation. Send him to prison and "hope that he gets the help he needs". When did the US become so obsessed with vengence and punishment, and care less about understanding *why* something had happened and opting for the *best* course of action from that point?
You lose your right to help when you try to kill others. Mental issues or not, at his point you are a danger to the community and have tried to prove so. @@iatsd
@@DemolitionboyXX Ah, so rights are transactional? Are you 7 years old by any chance?
I really want to know more about that pilot’s background. This is also why you always need two in the cockpit. If the pilot has to use the bathroom, the purser comes in.
Lmao, on one of my recent flights the captain was standing in the galley with an open cockpit door, chatting to the flight attendants, for most of the flight.
It was a third pilot sitting in the jump seat, not one of the two flying the plane.
I believe this rule has been abandoned again by a lot of airlines. In LH Group it way mandatory for a while after the Germanwings incident (4U 9525) but it proved to be not very practical. I mean, after all there is enough stuff in the cockpit to overpower or injure any person (fire extinguisher, axe).
@@1BergerVongSchlauigkeitHer Was it a private flight? There are different rules for them.
Unless he's a White male, the press can be trusted to ignore the event, unless forced not to.
its scary to think what would have happened if this was the plane where he was the on duty pilot.
Yes. It could have become another Germanwings-9525-Crash.
I will never understand why a person who has chosen suicide thinks a plane full of people should die with him??
because you don't understand how crazy people are.
You're not unable to understand that mental instability takes many forms and causes odd actions? How hard is it to grasp?! Christ, people hearing voices is common as dirt.
@@iatsdsince his name isn’t Mohammed or Oussama…those demons in his head are the one to blame
Having known multiple people with mental health problems. They believe that society doesn’t give a shit about them, so why should they care about others. Especially those who don’t care or do anything for them.
@@iatsdYeah I do find it hard to understand the actions of an attemped serial murderer. Stop trying to normalize despicable people you r****d
Reason bajillion to have at least two pilots in the cockpit. One person handling that would have been even scarier than two
Yes, but it is cheaper to have one or none and money in this business trumps safety and common sense every time. Just look at who the airlines are hiring in the name of equity. Two of those DEI hires at my airline totalled two perfectly good airplanes due to hard landings.
considering he was a pilot, you'd have that situation still if someone tried that in one of the front seats with the jumpseat unoccupied.
I was hoping to catch the whole incident right from when the pilot called the threat in
Probably doesn’t need to call, just squawking 7500 will surely get the controllers’ attention.
They wouldn't have been on the radio with open mic for that.
Same, but then I realized the indicator on the screen added a red HJ which clued me in to a more "silent" alert. In this case, squawking.
@@annekramig2532 makes me wonder how it works for the Tower side
do they get an visual/oral alarm go off when there is a 7500, or is it just a question of paying attention to each squawk code?
is there a checklist they get-out/memorize for such a case of knowing the basic actions and then improvising based on the circumstance?
@@stanislavkostarnov2157 VFR tower with no radar. We have a checklist.
Oh my. If he was deadheading in the cockpit I guess he was prob in uniform. That’s scary for the passengers to see a guy in a pilot uniform handcuffed and thrown in the back.
I am assuming zip-ties not metal type law enforcement cuffs, correct?
@@rj16-29that’s what I would assume. Sounds like from some of the reports it was a certain amount of commotion, I guess the FA’s had to help subdue him, maybe with the helpful of a few able bodied passengers. If I saw one pilot shoving another one out of the cockpit, id be like “who’s flying the plane?” If I didn’t know there was 3 up there and one was jump-seating. Lil scary
He was kicked out the cockpit, then he made his way under his own power to the back of the plane to the rear galley, where he sat down on one of those jumpseats and literally told the crew member back there to cuff him because he had done something terrible. Apparently, at some point after being zip-tied, he tried opening the nearest exterior door, but the crew member stopped him. I haven't seen any reports as to if he was in uniform, but he probably was.
There must have been some sort of verbal discussion or telltale sign he was going to do something, because otherwise wouldn't a jump seat pilot absolutely been able to reach those handles well before the two seated pilots could do anything?
Yes indeed. There's clearly a lot more to this story than "rogue pilot tries to kill the engines and murder everyone".
I don't believe you can fire the fire suppression without a fire indicator or using manual override.
@@reyray7184 You don't need an active fire warning or system alarm to activate the fire suppression system and fuel shutoff. Imagine the warning system malfunctions during a real fire and because of the alarm not activating you cannot put out the fire. The FAA would never certify such a system.
According to the news he said something like "I'm not very well." That probably got the pilots' attention and they were watching him as he tried to grab the handles. That's just my guess anyway.
Appreciate the cockpit view!
He was on his way to SF to be the pilot of another flight. I am actually thankful that he snapped here instead of later that day. God bless
well there goes jump seating for off duty pilots. thanks man.
Well, you could also argue that if this pilot tried this on a flight he was working having a jump seater to help subdue him would be valuable.
@@Swiggityswagger Yeah. And I'm sure there are countless examples where a jumpseat pilot's outside perspective or help saved the aircraft. Hard balance.
Maybe crazy people shouldn't be pilots?
@@hitman_s1 Great idea! That would actually be perfect.
@@Swiggityswaggerthat’s why it would be a stupid move. But you never know what stupid move the FAA is going to do next
The pilot switching from gate C9 to B9, made me think of the scene in "Airline". 😂
The intrusive urge to pull the big red lever 😅
Thats the history eraser button!
You're the one breaking news on this...seems like it should be a big story.
It is now
@@TheFULLMETALCHEF Yes.
The flight was *not* from KSEA. It was from KPAE (Paine Field in Everett, 30 miles north of Seattle) to KSFO.
The media can barely tell a 747 from a C-152 or Denver from Miami. They are mostly incompetent at everything but nodding while being asked a question over their earpiece to look "serious"
Ohhhh, thank you, that makes a lot more sense. I was like... Why is Horizon operating from SEA to SFO? 😆 that would be a regular Alaska flight lol
That was really shocking News! Thank you very much for picking it up so quickly!
I was working the ramp in Memphis when that POS Auburn Calloway pulled his stunt that day...
So glad this turned out WAY better for all involved
This was nevertheless a kind of FedEx Flight 705 all over again.
Amazing Job by VASAviation getting this posted so quickly! Thank you!
FAA needs to do something about mental health in the aviation industry, pilots should be able to get the help they need without the fear of losing their career.
That ain’t happening soon. But I guarantee there will be a change in jumpseat policy overnight. Government is always making changes that effect the innocent and not the actual problem.
If you're military, you can't even put PTSD on your medical without being cut for it. It needs to be treated as a case by case basis.
Not losing their career, having their career intentionally destroyed by the FAA, at the muzzle of a gun.
Remember the whole mental health summit that happened a few years ago after the UND student pilot suicide? I remember reading that the administrator at the time talked about how he would implement change, and possibly modify the medication wait time from 6 months to 1-2 months. Wonder what ever happened to that...
dude.. you can say that about ANY industry.... come one man!
In case anyone else is curious about the “Level 4” reference:
Level 1: Disruptive behavior - suspicious or threatening
Level 2: Physically abusive behavior
Level 3: Life-threatening behavior
Level 4: Attempted or actual breach of the flight deck
NGL, props to VASAviation for getting this into my feed, but I'm kinda ticked to learn about it this way and not from, you know, the "news".
The few facts available shortly after it happened were reported by seemingly all the media outlets. It was a "man bites dog" story in the midst of a bunch of major news having larger implications, from "dysfunctional Republican party keeps Congress shut down" to "Middle East blows up" (again). How much was it supposed to get talked about in general media outlets?
It was early-newscast news on at least KGW and KATU here in Portland
Mental health is so important. Wonder what led him to attempting this
Like the German wings pilot perhaps, a medical issue that would end his career. I was thinking (joking), perhaps his wife recently handed him divorce papers. People act very strangely and irrationally when they've put all emphasis on their life working one way without having a contingency.
If the report is correct and he attempted to use the fire bottles then it’s a clear attempt at suicide. Obviously he wasn’t concerned about taking people with him. Kudos to the crew! That had to be a quick realization of what he was attempting to do as well as quick action to thwart it.
Can the engines be restarted if they use the fire bottles?
@@marsstarlink3235As far as I’m aware, No once they have been pulled the fuel and other things are cut off, engines can’t be restarted.
He was concerned as he wanted to take them with him. Pulling a Lubitz...
@@OfficialFBI now you have a very expensive glider. I wonder if they were in gliding range to a runway
@@marsstarlink3235 as long as the extinguishing agent hasn't been fired, then yes, the engines can be restarted.
If the extinguishing agent had been fired, then the engine would need to be inspected and washed before being able to be started.
Kudos for getting this up so quickly!
So when my CFI pulls the mixture it’s “fine” and “a normal part of pilot training” but when this guy wants to do it for a little fun it’s “dangerous” and “a crime”. Smh no fun allowed anymore.
😂😂😂😂😂
I have also noticed flight crews are allowed to open and close the door but get really pissy when i try to do it...
Hahahahhaha
Now now, it’s for good ‘Airmanship’ 😊. The CFI and Student-Pilot are on duty during the training excercise.
I suppose with this pilot of Duty in the jump-seat, or as an observer had other ideas, with bad intentions.
Glad everyone was ok, and well done to the crew.
Omg this is hilarious.
Everyone misses the Fedex flight that was very similar situation but he didnt try to shut down the engines a pilot in the jump seat started to attack the pilots flying the captain had to maneuver the plane in a way that was beyond its rating to throw the guy off severely beaten but they managed to land safely
Fedex 705 vibes indeed
That was an attempt to commit suicide for insurance because of his financial failings. He thought he’d kill or disable his fellow crew members and crash the aircraft.
Those pilots were heroes.
And the airframe flew for 30 more years. They've retired it this year. As resilient as the pilots.
Not physically, two of the crew had skull fractures and all of them became disabled airline veterans.
On embraers, if I remember correctly, they can be reset as long as the bottle isn’t actually fired. If you just pull the handle it cuts off various things, but there’s another step required to fire the bottles.
correct
Yes, two different hand motions on the handle turn off the fuel and then fire the bottle of suppressant.
But was this an ERJ?
@@honeyisnatural5Complete mystery. None of the news reports or UA-cam channels have mentioned what type of aircraft this was. It will probably never be known.
Would recommend the video that Mentour Pilot has done on this incident. He provides a lot of detail on the backstory. Quite a sad case actually ...
For anyone wondering about the fire handles. Even if he succeeded blowing the fire bottles, the engines can still be restarted as long as the handles are put back into their normal position, and they have enough altitude to do an inflight restart. Fire suppressant does not go into the core of the engine, only around it. Fire handles only control electric shut off valves, nothing that has to be manually reset.
This is not correct. The process of using the fire extinguisher on this particular aircraft is that upon pulling the handle all fuel and hydraulics are cut off, this can be reversed by putting the handle but up. However, the second stage is turning the handle which releases fire retardant into the engine, this cannot be reversed and that engine cannot be restarted.
@@isaacrawlings1651 again like I previously said, the fire suppressant goes around the engine in the core cowl, not inside it. The engine can still be restarted if there was no actual fire. You just rotate the handle back and push it back down. I’ve been an aircraft technician for close to 20 years working on these planes. But what do I know.
Of course there's a waypoint named HPSTR on the approach to PDX.
There's a bunch of cool ones. Pardon my spelling on these: RIPPP CITYY VUDOO DONUT LIKWID SNSHINE I'm pretty sure there's a Powell's Books reference and a beer one, but I'm not sure what they are without looking it up
Very fast, Victor!
Thanks VAS
Great work by the crew. Can't we PLEASE just wait till later to get the info for our reports?
Then the conspiracy types will claim the event never happened because nobody made a report at the time, or the media never even reported on the event at the time it happened. This is not the final report. Don't watch the media if it confuses or angers you. MOST of what they report is inaccurate and misinterpreted, if not false.
Let this sink in: Dude was an off-duty Alaska pilot. A real career enhancing move.......☠
Dude just wanted to help.....He just picked the wrong lever and the wrong time....
He is a militant Democrat liberal with a history of acting out to push a liberal agenda.
That's called career ending.
I’d think more than career ending. Hard to show up for work if you’re incarcerated.
Career ending? He was trying to end his life. Not sure he cares.
Mental health is major threat.
There is no difference between a mass shooter and this guy.
Your comment about …”there is no difference between a mass shooter and this guy” …made me chuckle. In mass shootings, the MSM and certain groups are automatically blaming the gun for killing and wounding innocent people…and not the mentally defective person.
Yeah but commercial aircraft aren't readily available to the average nut job. Gun on the other hand.... I'm not even anti gun per se -- but these aren't a fair comparison
Spoken like a True American - without the faintest fvcking clue what you're talking about.
@@rileypup9971Well, you don't blow away a first grade class with a coffee mug or a ham sandwich. That's why countries that aren't swimming in firearms don't have the level of gun violence we do.
The media blames metal illness quickly, and that's part of the problem. Not everyone who carries out a mass shooting is mentally ill, and in general, people with mental illness are more likely to be victims of violence than perpetrators. They are also less likely to be violent than people without mental illness
Mental health is a major that because suicide is one of the top causes of death in the US, and the people we lose to it and getting very young. Middle schoolers. That's the threat.
That last controllers a cool cat for sure 👌🏼
"...after one moment of going a little bit overboard..."? That pilot ought to be British, with that command of understatement.
It's a succinct way to put it, at least, without adding to the drama or bringing up details that could lead to fear. Better for the pilots not to think too much about the incident until after they land the plane and shut everything down. The shakes and fear will come soon enough.
Thanks for the video! I just have one nitpick: according to Flightaware, it looks like the plane originated from Seattle Paine Field (KPAE), north of SeaTac
This is madness.
Madness...?
@@steam-powereddolphin5449 Yes, that's what I said.
Thank you for listing event date at the title screen.
Love your channel! Just FYI the flight took off from KPAE Paine Field in Everett, WA, just north of Seattle. D
If the pilot is squawking 7500 (shown on Radar as HJ), then the controller shouldnt be asking nature of threat (to not spook the hijacker). At least from my training, if you are in 7500, the controllers will do as you tell them to not raise further suspicions
Aircraft was not squawking 7500
Controller asked threat level. Not nature of threat
Plus dude was out of the cockpit and probably restrained by a number of pissed off passengers wanting him to vacate via the overwing exit while in flight
Is there any audio that's missing here?
@@maxstr I'm wondering that too, now.
As a controller who used to love taking advantage of the 2 jumpseats we used to be able to do every year prior to COVID, I was excited for it to come back some day, guess not...
Woah! Insane!! I had to check the thumbnail twice!! 😮
“A little bit overboard”……… just a little.
Wow. Unbelievable.
Thank goodness for quick acting pilots!
Wonder what was in his mind to do this. His career just end. Great job to the pilots for handling the situation well.
can't wait for this body cam footage
Appreciate the pilots trying to do their best to convey the threat has decreased and to calm down.
Calm down my butt. Once it’s 4 threat. It stays a 4
What brave pilots! I can't imagine how they managed to detect and thwart this madman in mid-flight... One of them must have had to keep flying, right? And yet, they were still able to promptly identify and stop this hijacker and subdue him.
They likely had the autopilot on, so both were free.
You need to watch more airplane movies!
Pilot: "We had a hijacker now subdued"
ATC: "Do you need law enforcement?"
...Really?
(should've been)Pilot: "No, medical examiner, thanks."
Well the controller is in Portland.
Agreed. That’s the dumbest question I’ve heard today. Just tell them you’ll have law enforcement standing by.
Not to mention all the questioning about threat level, etc. That stuff can't wait?? @@VictoryAviation
Pilot: Nah, I'll just take off my captain's hat and put on my sheriff's hat when I get on the ground and bring him to the jail myself -- what a dumb question!
Can't wait to read the report on this one...
Hey if I woke up on a plane bound for SF I’d try to get off it also! Geeze
This is such a crazy story. Who does this? Thank goodness the pilots acted both calmly and swiftly in correcting the problem. They are the hero’s of this story…..because of them it ended peacefully and without injury.
There are at least two confirmed pilot suicide, that is the pilot flying the plane crashed the plane. The most famous one is GermanWings, another is an Indonesian pilot who pulled the cockpit recorders moment before crashing. More recently, there is a China Eastern 737-800 crashed with suspected pilot suicide, and of course the MH370... (if true MH370 is the largest plane crashed the from pilot suicide)
Pilot suicides were not unheard of because regulators lived in 1920 until recently.
Basically any pilot who gets diagnosed with mental problems (e.g. Depression) lost their licence if they looked for treatment (drugs taken needing to be reported).
So the general solution was to not have treatment if you are a pilot. Which resulted in two cases where depression has previously been identified, but remained untreated resulting in a suicide-homicide.
This was an attempt for the same. As per the guy's own description he was on a memorial trip for a dead friend and a few other factors contributed to him having an episode. He has been up without sleep for days, and he could not tell if he was in a nightmare (paranoid aspects) or if he was awake in reality.
As he had his onset episode in the cockpit he was stopped, he walked back, had himself handcuffed. Then considered opening the door to jump out, but the crew could stop him without effort.
The FAA decided to change policy, because forcing people to be untreated and fly OR lose their licence (although they are safe) is not a very good policy.
Well handled by the pilots. Wondering why there isn’t better communication in the tower so the pilots don’t have to repeat themselves
There most definately is.. The area supervisors have land lines to all of the facilities that they interact with and would most definitely have been able to relay that information. When I was a super, that's what we did with our tower and overlaying center.
All the info was most definitely passed. But in these situations there all usually a few people standing behind the controller asking them to ask more questions so everyone has the full picture.
They are repeating to be sure as well, doesn't always have to do with poor communication....
@@Neutr4lized absolutely, and it usually is a similar question, but getting slightly different information.
It's like when you go to the hospital and every person you see asks the same questions over and over. It's so they have the first hand information.
CVR must have been wild to listen to…
Good thing he wasnt flying. Hopefully this doesnt cause any issues for future pilots, its not really a jumpseat issue, he was a problem whether he was in the jumpseat or the pilots seat the next day.
And yet another likely result of the FAA refusing to lift the taboo around mental health conversations. IMSAFE only goes so far...
Yup. You can see it happening already: multiple individual charges of attempted murder already laid, but it is simply not possible to have completed a psych evaluation yet. But the Vengence & Fear Machine the US adores has kicked in already and will trundle along as if it is solving some problem.
His name isn’t Mohammed, Oussama or Khalid?…must be a mental issue yeah
@@oumasaelhadri419I swear to God y’all religious folks always stick to folklore and not medicine. It’s a shame because a lot of the science field was influenced by Muslims. Too bad you can’t see how mental health illness is a real problem. Schizophrenia, bipolar, and depression are real not demons. Pick up a book.
@@oumasaelhadri419 One of many possibilities. He may be a right wing QAnon nutter. He might be mentally ill. He might be any number of religious nutter flavours.
But based on the *history of similar incidents in the US* over the last decade, the odds are in favour of it being a mental health event.
But hey, I'm just advocating for there to be an actual investigation first, rather than the rush to 83+ charges, conviction, and forget all about it by the news cycle turn tomorrow.
@oumasaelhadri419 why bring race into this? I don't even know the guys name. I don't care what there name/background/religion is. I am kinda adverse to people dying unnecessarily from preventable problems.
You need to see a therapist yourself if you have so much hate in your heart that this is your default setting.
This flight came from Paine Field, not SEA corection might be needed for the video, glad everyone is alright and the jumpseater goes under review.
I am from Everett. Never seen the news of brand new E175 to SFO from PAE. Off duty pilot might had mental problem. Glad all safe in Portland
“A little bit overboard” ironically seems like a gross understatement
It’s bad when a madman is in the jump seat! I’m glad crew was able to recover.
Maybe there were some behavioral signs that warned them to be extra vigilant
Since this is a criminal investigation I'm sure the cockpit voice record will be made public at some point. That will be interesting to hear! Glad everything turned out ok for all involved.
Cockpit voice recordings are not allowed to be made public in the US, or only if all participants consent, IIRC. A few years ago, someone published the last words from the CVRs from numerous US involved crashes and it caused a scandal.
We know now exactly what happened.
Major depressive episode going untreated for ages, combined with added stressors. Basically the bloke thought he was in a bad dream and had to wake up. (á la Inception)
The FAA now changed policy to allow pilots to seek medical help for metal problems, because a pilot who is treated for his issues is safer than one who pretends to be ok just to crash their planes. (See GermanWing and AirChina recently)
VAS you were way ahead of national media on this one. Good job!! Are you going to have the Houston Mustang vs Hawker?
Working on it
can't wait to read the CVR transcript
hope the jumpseat pilot gets the help he needs, sounds like a mental break or something. glad everyone made it out ok.
Amazing. If all he had to do was pull those handles, how did they stop him so quickly? I'd think he could have done it almost instantaneously. There must have been a struggle before that. It doesn't seem like the pilots were even out of breath. I wonder if the passengers heard the fight? Yikes!
You probably can't pull the handles unless there is an indication of fire OR you manually override the lock. At least that's how my plane is. He probably was trying to yank them and they didn't move.
Once they understood what was going on, the passengers probably aided in subduing this idiot. Someone had to hold that guy down while the handcuffs were applied.
Possibly an Air Marshall?
@@markstevens9493 not impossible, but improbable to have an air marshal on such a short flight.
i belive befor you can pul them there is a cover to be lifted
@@ericlayton6
So pretty much these pilots just got in a fight! 😮damn ty to everyone who help them land safely ❤
dude is clearly shaken did a great job maintaining composure.
Is there a specific time this happened? I came into Portland yesterday at 5:40 PM, and a Horizon E175 landed just behind us after that…
Maybe although, the E175 is very common in America.
According to ADS-B data, he landed in Portland at 01:20Z or 8:20pm local time.
When I heard the audio I was like huh
Threat level midnight for sure. 😬😬😬
Threat Level Midnight makes you feel alright from Madonna to Madeline Albright
QX/QXE 2059 was out of PAE/KPAE Paine Field Everett WA not SEA/KSEA as stated in your headline.
Mental health is no joke. Hope this guy gets the help he needs. Glad for everyone involved that all are safe.
I'm thinking the docs need to prescribe him an IV of pancuronium bromide.
He’s going to jail for life. That’s the help he’s going to get.
Man let his intrusive thoughts get the better of him and now look where he is.
See FAA advisory circular AC90-103 for more on threat levels and their meaning.
Glad this guy wasn't behind the controls!
Yes.