Why The Marble Panels Of The Grand Arch in Paris Started To Fall Out? | Massive Engineering Mistakes
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- A modern version of the Arch the Triumph, La Grande Arche de la Défense was built to celebrate the 200 years of the French Revolution. However, the building proved to be no match for the Parisian climate.
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First thing comes through my mind. Paint it yellow and it looks like the national geographic logo.
You should google Dubai frame 🖼 it’s like huge natgeo 3d logo!
National Geographic Theme intensifies...
I love that
I can't unsee it now
Isn’t that in Dubai already?
The elevator looked like a scaffolding!!
pogi09282805724 an eyesore actually.
I was going to comment on that too. Classify that feature under 'what were they thinking?"
adamndirtyape why not they install the elevator inside one of the sides of the arch to make it hidden.
@@wtfstudioinc.1827 Those are maintenance elevator.
LoliDEV but still, eyesore!
This video could have been 10 seconds long. Basically, the tiles absorbed water, bent, then fell off 💁🏻♂️.
I hate TV shows like this, they stretch out storys in order to make it a 1 hour long show
You should put spoiler warning there, I've read your comment and now I don't know what to do with this video, do I have skip it or continue watching it? 😐
@@taufanadikurniawan7170 by all means your welcome to waist an additional 7 minutes of your life but I can promise it'd be spent best watching something else
@@Danielevans2 yeah you right, I thought they will explain in-depth details in marble crackling but no, not at all, not a thing just water, kinda disappointed though 😐
Thankful for people like you who safe people like me precious time
The elevator shaft really ruins this thing
I think it looks like a waterfall
@briank05
Ecaxtly. This thing is hideous and needs to be demolished.
The tents too
Looks like it's under construction lol
I thought it was a brace because the structure is weak lmao
The tiles wouldn't have fallen if they had just used flex glue
THAT'S A LOT OF MARBLE!!
Why are they replacing the tiles? You are correct, they should have looked at ways how to adjust the mechanism holding them in place. Good thing this brilliant video explained how they are held in place ffs
But it’s the tiles that has FLEX issue tho
Lol coat it all in flex seal then it’s now a boat lol
@@3rKoPlaysMinecraft The video simulation shows a simple diagram of how they were held in place and the guy states that they tend to crack under temperature changes. For a short video of the issue, I believe that is sufficient. If you want to give your $0.02 to what architects have already researched, then go look it up yourself dude. This isn't a documentary.
The elevator shafts in the middle are breaking the clean design language
@@EliasSchmid00 thanks for the advice
Lol I thought that was construction scaffolding
@@EliasSchmid00 the whole thing is blad and inhuman, like all contemporary architecture
True but "clean design language" is just a nice way of saying "ugly, boring, and stupid." Now it's ugly, busy, and stupid...
It looks cooler, gives it an industrial look.
An architectural marvel of the modern world:
Behold! I give you the box!
Are you even surprised?
Genghis Kong pretty modern, planed obsolescence included
Right, and I thought an arch had a curve
Ee er
@@-__._._.__- and, you know, was open on the Bottom...
cameraman: yeah can you just hold up some baguettes that would be lovely
confused girl: sure? i don't, uhm.. 0:17
🤣 god you are genius
I read it with the video and that uhm was a great cutoff 😂
Yeah that looks about right haha
Lmao
Lol! Yes, and the accordian music in the background, as always .
Nether Portal is supposed to made out of Obsidian not Marble...
Alex Whittington It’s made of diorite
DeepFried Pickles ok buddy who gives a shit
@ferzfy Normally, I'd use ignore this, but clearly you didn't ignore Deepfried Pickles, so why should I ignore this? Now please, tell me why you spend your time like this. Tell me why you have nothing better to do than give responses about nobody caring when you weren't in the conversation. Maybe if you shut your mouth and listened, you'd actually have something substantial to say.
@@imtherealvict1m it is a Minecraft reference.
Well, for starters, THAT isn’t even an arch.
Glad someone pointed that out
wallah tu veux te battre
Douadouard100 Tu m’as tuée...
but but but it’s a wonderful interpretation...
It’s rumored Roger Scruton died of disgust upon viewing this over priced marble box.
A post and lintel.
"Chosen for its strength and simplicity".... Its a goddamn white square, I wonder how long it took the guy to come up with it.. 😂
ye as kids we probably built things like this with legos or whatever we had... where's our recognition for our engineering prowess.
Why am i watching this i have finals
I have final exam in two days.
Let's hope we pass lmao.
Your brain seeking a break. Good luck on your finals.
same
me too
Everyone always has finals even when schools not in session.
Really thought there'd be more comments about the pronunciation of Louvre
TheNicknack43 Or Parizian!
Ditto!
They got most pronunciation wrong.
Loove!
We have so many visitors, we're used to it. No biggie.
When the older one is more durable than this nat geo logo then clearly there's a problem here!🙄
@MrZapparin No they did not, that's why there so little building left, and those that are left are usually monuments that were cared for during their lifetimes, or things bulky enough that there's no way they would break (pyramids for example).
L'arche de la Défense will probably stand for centuries or milleniums, it's concrete and steel. The decorations may fall off in the meantime.
VermeilAnimation eccept the fact that european cities are literally built on top of aincient cties, so that’s why you don’t see aincient buildings: they are the foundations of towns. In italy we still use roman acqueducts to move water, our streets follow the roman streets, and entire city layouts still follow aincient roman MILITARY camps. Aincients knew their shit so much that we still build on top of it.
VermeilAnimation w.
Why is it looks like its constantly under construction?
7:11 The body language of these workers says "I don't know - I think it will be OK?"
😂😂😂😂😂😂 the mind says : we have no papers, can hardly afford any food, they've been exploiting us like slaves for a year in this hell, fuck it, I'm leaving it as it is, if it falls down they'll blame the architect showing off on the roof
Hahahaha! I work in construction in France in that describes it. It's amateur hour everyday and there's a constant fog of confusion.
I love how we humans can just pun out stuff from thin air. "This arc just wasn't as triumphant", I mean come on we're all just a ball of goofiness.
Their ancestors were great though. This monument just proves modern France is a meme.
Am i the only one who find the design so bland and ugly??
khup Gt I studied architecture and I cannot agree more. This shit is just pure dumb
Modern nothingness. I’d say it does represent the modern times or rather post modern times actually
Modern nothingness. I’d say it does represent the modern times or rather post modern times actually
Modern nothingness. I’d say it does represent the modern times or rather post modern times actually
I mean alone it’s not really beautiful but in the context of La defense, it fits pretty well and I couldn’t imagine la Defense without the Arche
Honestly, this thing would look better if they added artificial water falls and more green plants growing at the bottom or top of the building.. like really, if it's gonna look this painfully bland, at least spruce it up with some mother nature in there.
It would look better if it were demolished and the architect taken out and shot.
A couple blocks away from the arch, to the east, there are a few fountains and trees. There's no hiding it's one ugly, stressful, business district. I wouldn't advice tourists to visit that place.
Slappy hmmm 🤔 they said in the video he died before it was even finished?
It’s a business disctrict at the border of Paris, surrounded by skyscrapers... frankly I appreciate the Arche more than some glass towers. It’s simple and age imo better than the weird gray/brown modern/nature inspired buildings
Some cities only contains bland skyscrapers.
@@n0rmal953 it might have been botched somewhat it remains an ambitious architectural project, I agree.
Looks like something from Minecraft...
Portal from MC😂😩
What's Minecraft?
There are no 45 degree slopes in Minecraft
Caesar actually there are, in a few mods. And there is one called ArchitectureCraft which would be good for making this... I think I’ll try it lol thanks for the idea
That a noob would build.
I visited this building a few years ago. It's quite a sight to see in person. I didn't know the marble had been replaced.
Similar thing happened to a couple of buildings in New Delhi where a "renowned" architect used sandstone tiles stuck with cement outside to harmonise with the sandstone used in iconic legacy buildings when New Delhi was built.
Sandstone being highly porous, the tiles absorbed water, the cement bond weakened & tiles started falling off.
The fix was tortorous - bolting each tile with stainless steel bolts.
The legacy buildings which were built with sandstone blocks suffered no such problem & look grand even after many decades.
Yeah, we had a similar development on the other side of the world in alpine germany.
Some stone-producers began marketing the - pretty but not very homogenous or durable - yellow local limestone as a "local pride" building material.
Countless (mostly conservative) politicians got talked into lining public buildings with "our pretty lime".
Now....alpine regions? Do get wet and freeze.
And soft limestone with irregular density and chemistry? Does erode under weather.
As anybody who opened his eyes to the eroding mountainscape around them in the region would have been able to see. We have 150 year old churches here built from that stone...crumbling.
Now just the same thing as in paris happens here. 20 years later dozens of city halls, institution headquarters, city malls ect. have dangerously flaking surfaces and need to be re-skinned.
The damage is in the billions - and even worse, its so many smaller project that obviously thousands of professionals looked at it and decided not to see the problem.
4:48 is where they start talking about the panels falling out
Went to france with my dad just for this building when it was finished
Awesome.
Imagine going to France just to visit La Defense
@@AlexS-oj8qf how sad
Hope you enjoyed it. I really love the top floor and elevator :)
Aight so when do we activate the portal to the Nether
This thing looks aweful. Hilarious that they couldn't even get their shit together to make the elevators look good. Modern french architecture must be complete shit compared to the old!
PureRageRS it looks like an abandoned project. Ugly bland and cold
If you had watched the video carefully, you would have noticed that it is not by a French architect ... French architects are busy constructing buildings in Saudi Arabia and Qatar
A rectangle. Wow. Mind blowing. Ground breaking.
this is one of the ugliest buildings i've ever seen
you havent seen much
haha, look the "edificio asamblea legislativa de costa rica" it literally looks like a dystopian jail.
@@PhilippeLarcher i'd take grover house over this minimalist trash
6:21 - Who is this random guy asking me if I can imagine being hit by a falling marble slab and then telling me i can't?
Why didn't they just put elevators inside the legs?
ML They wanted to. The legs are owned by business in the french government. They’re not allowed to let the public in there.
@@MrTheWaterbear they literally could have had the door open from the outside directly to the elevator, like a bathroom. Nobody goes in government buildings, done
Raj Gill Okay, there is a strange point I have to mention here. Inside both of the sides, there is a massive piece of art on acrylic tile that spans from the bottom to the top of the building. This was a gift from a French artist friend of the architect, to celebrate his win in the competition. The elevator in the middle was meant to allow the public to enjoy the views of Paris and also see the artwork whilst ascending/descending. Sadly, the government went behind the back of the foundation of the Arch and tinted the windows so you almost can’t see the art anymore. Visiting the arch was supposed to be a great experience for the public. So enjoying a good view all the way up and down was important. I don’t rightly know if it was the architect or the board who demanded the elevator be placed in the middle... the architect has been dead for 30 years now, and I value the privacy of his family, so I refuse to ask. There is a reason for every feature of a building, and not all of them are equally the responsibility of the architect.
@@MrTheWaterbear damn, I really side with you here. Politics man
The new 1 WTC building has a public observatory at the top, but the rest of the building is offices. Know how they keep the two separate? They have two entrances, one for the businesses, and one which is literally just a door to the elevators to go up to the top floors, crazy I know, I like the ugly elevators outside the building idea more too.
Arch: Has complicated french name.
Me: Is square baguette.
adamsrealm it aint a complicated name😂 arche de La Défense just means defence arch
@@GSRL03 pity it couldn't defend against water.
such a great building
"He didn't want an arch dedicated to French military victories"
That's the hardest I've laughed in a long time
The french are the first country with more victories
Purple Haze First off nice grammar. Second, the only reason the French have the most military victories is because them and the British just boosted each other for centuries.
@@dinogaming4419 maybe english is not his/her first language. There's a nicer way to correct people.
@@dinogaming4419 Doesn't make him wrong
They need to win first in order to build a Military Monument, I can't remember when the last time the French Win anything.
Please just leave out the comments by the.. experts,
"Can YOU imagine being hit by a marble slab???"
They're very exaggerated and the story is interesting enough by itself, it really doesn't need fluff and sensation.
Discovery
Marble flag stones can fall down and kill people. Not a jock. They fall during and after earthquakes here in Greece. Now the law is to bolt them on the infrastructure.
Could they not have seen this coming? The thin Carrara marble on Chicago's Aon Center (then the Standard Oil Building) had already been presenting similar problems by the time they built this.
Tyler Kochman it’s the French highly intelligent and idiotic at the same time
I doubt they heard about Issues in Chicago. It seems a little of idiocy was involved in the decisions. Marble = fancy in their eyes but Paris is not Marseille in terms of weather
Same thing happened on Chicago's Standard Oil building built circa 1972. By 1990 the Carrera marble facade was deemed too dangerous to retain and the entire marble exterior was replaced with a slightly thicker granite quarried in one of the Carolinas (state of)
A technique of mapping out stresses, in situ, was developed at this time. Allowing for a determination to be made as to which direction to cut the massive blocks into panels so as to negate such stresses, which find relief when removed from ground.
The story was that those who insisted on Carrera marble, did so against the judgement of architectural firm.
The cost to replace exceeded the original cost of the building itself.
Pretty sure Chicago's extreme temperature variables and humidity is a bit worse than Paris weather.
Was a year of my life hanging off the side of that building as an apprentice stone setter.
Could see 4 states from the 900ft top of building. And found a marked tendency in crews to leave beer cans behind the stone as they erected the original exterior.
Ok, the marble absorbs water, heat drys it, will crack with time. Perfect let use it!
God its almost cringy to watch... ITS NOT AN ARCH! ITS A TESSERACT🤦♂️
It's an arch because you can pass trough (at the middle)
And it's UGLY as absolute shit.
@@_blank-_ It doesn't even need to exist! It's France, they could have built something absolutely gorgeous! Like a Classical triumphal arch, or a massive Neo-Gothic spire, or something DIGNIFIED!
Do you even know what a tesseract is? This is certainly not it
@@miguelpereira934 Okay, so ignoring all the math and 4th dimension lingo, it's a "cube within a cube". What's unique was its construction. Prestressed concrete rather than a steel frame. Pouring the roof and those beveled fascia was an engineering feat. And keeping in mind that it's primarily an office building and not a monument, per se, I think it's pretty cool.
So they didn't wait until one slab killed a person? madness!
Will come back in twenty years for part two.
Ah, it was designed in the 80s... That's why it's so aesthetically boring. It looks like a white picture frame and the most boring business building ever built had a baby.
It accurately portrays modern construction which is now usually designed to be minimalist. The older land marks were molded concrete or even hand carved stone.
HERPY DERPEDY you finna Hand carve something stone broski
K. M. I mean look at the terrible open space in front of it the shot for like .2 seconds. It’s all concrete. It’s hot, nowhere to stop, no views, nothing to stop for. The marble is sheet plates, the building is just sheet (lol get it)
I think it looks good. The flatter the better, basically something like a box with a square hole in the middle would look fantastic.
It looks way better than what we build nowadays - just boring glass sticks.
In San Francisco, they dropped a marble panel while building the W hotel. It crushed a fire station, luckily everyone was out, but the fire station was destroyed...
I'll be honest... the building looks awful. I don't know why, but the design makes me feel angry.
Most people have no clue that this building is full of ancient symbology through the use of mathematics, size, ratio's and alignments. There was a huge amount of thought and study that went into this design as well as it's placement. Remember, things like this are not done with some random design, they are done with direct intent.
Wtf, why is this so long. This can easily truncated this in seconds.
The tiles absorbed a lot of water, bent and they fell off.
Debbie Nandalall if it was to long for you liking then why did you watch it?
@@Owen1904I skipped.
Actually they didn't even fall off, they started replacing before any one fell off, or that's what he said at 6:30... Clickbaity, thumbs not up
“Rather than celebrate Frances military victories”... LMAO 😂
When your knowledge of military history spans a whole 80 years.
France is weak shit
Oops :) m.ua-cam.com/video/xgLKVaJwpXY/v-deo.html
That's not a "disaster on a monumental scale",
and this amazing building is getting way too much hate..
("it's a cube".... yes?? and the Shard is a pyramid and the WTC towers were parallelepipeds and columns are cylinders..)
You have to reclad a whole monument after just 30 years and that's a luxury (monumental) clading so it's somewhat disastrous at least for finances and the scale is by definition monumental.
but I love the building
Yep, while the execution on the tiles obviously encountered issues. People are getting too salty over a building they would never see in person. I don’t hate it, i like it’s simplicity.
Most towers and buildings are simple rectangles...
@@n0rmal953 it's very high grade for sure (nice cladding albeit not suited for the climate^^) and looks quite good from most angles (contrary to a LOT of french modern buildings)
Philippe Larcher I really dislike the new somewhat “éco-quartier” do in term of their facades. Always gray/white walls with some wood look a like/beige for the bulky balconies.
But hey it’s a matter of taste
Grand Arch in Paris: Let me show you how to make a massive engineering mistake
Hard Rock Hotel New Orleans: Hold my beer
There's plenty of design failures during building construction, but nobody gives a hoot about the dead workers when there's a schedule to maintain. It's a different story when some artsy-fartsy architect or designer makes a mistake- then it somehow becomes very important to everyone and it's not their fault....
This is the reality of life in the construction business where the advice of knowledgeable and experienced craftsmen are generally ignored until a catastrophe happens. Then the lesson is quickly forgotten and it happens again....
Its a massive tesseract
Funny thing, the design of the arch initially made kind of a big whistle when wind was rushing through. That's the reason for the kind of designer tarp that "hangs" in the middle (to dampen /avoid the whistle noise).
It looks like this is from natgeo.
Good one lol
Ever heard of flex paste? It’s new
Why is modern architecture no comparison to old-world architecture?
J Cooke I disagree. There a few fundamental aspects that don’t compete. For one, modern architecture doesn’t “stand the test of time”. It crumbles away. And secondly, the level of craftsmanship and intricacy is much higher with old-world architecture. Modern architecture made of concrete is labeled “genius” (Brutalism), and office buildings lack character/soul (even more so than the former). Also, old-world architecture was functional and served purpose.
I work here to Paris La Défense.
Happy to see this great video, thanks you 👍🏼
I didnt know this was made today
How did I live through the eighties and never heard of this thing?
How did they actually fasten the tiles to the building?
"Can you imagine being hit by a falling marble slab? It's unthinkable!" What in insightful comment, glad they included it.
So I walked under that thing not knowing I could get squashed ... nice
wow paris and europe is so beautiful it warms my heart
Corupt government wasting money on stupid marble building
People: is this time we use a guilotine again?
Discovery Channel: A cube within a cube
Normal people: Big building with a hole in it.
This is a very ugly modern monument compared to all the other lovely Parisian monuments. No one would ever come to visit Paris to see this if this were all they had
It's actually at the top of my list of things to see while there.
A Guy Called Pi I mean... tourists even come to the Montparnasse tower. It’s maybe not that great looking but has a great view of Paris.
The exact same thing (Carrera marble) happened in Chicago, to a building now called the Aon Center. The entire building was reclad with white granite after 20 years of freeze-thaw, costing up to 50% of the building's original construction cost. Unfortunately for the Grande Arche, the Chicago reclad (i.e. the embarrasing public awareness) happened 4 years after the arch was completed.
This series manages to be absolutely awful every time, without fail. Always too long, and yet completely vague and without detail.
What a Twist!
It's not about engineering
They used chinese glue (akkma)
And they didnt scratch the stone before they did
They should have used mechanical fixing and Italian glue .
43 seconds in and I scroll down to Daniel Evans saving the day. Thanks mate going to the hub now.
Lol, the loovra
Leo Kinney seriously, how can you not know how to pronounce this properly (or at least closer than “loovra”)?
6:22 Lol that’s such a valuable insight, thanks expert
0:13 Umm, that's not where Paris is 🙄
Yep It made me laugh to see just an arrow pointing at La Défense that is clearly out of Paris as just ---> PARIS
I’m enjoying the symbolism of the modern arch (or shall I say post modern) being more about aesthetics than functionality in terms of building something with materials that they know won’t last but no one wants to tell the emperor that he isn’t wearing any clothes.
O that the elevator, i thought it was scaffolding
Does anybody know the music from 6:47? I really loooove the synthwave
“Can you imagine get hitting by a marble slab?” Yeah it’s called goin splat
France: "Lets build a gigantic marble Tesseract. What could possibly go wrong ? (Loki smiles in the background ) :)
The title isn’t really a question. Idk why there’s a question mark.
This is geometric sculpture for architect with its simplicity style,modern classic form and being a type of Paris landmark the defect of surface materials can be corrected easily at high cost.
I love how they celebrate all the things the local hates; Louvre, arch the triumph and everything that doesn't work well with the old architecture ..
How is the Louvre and Arc de Triomphe not blending with the Haussmann style buildings ?? What ?
An office building in Toronto was clad in marble. After forty years, the marble was replaced with glass. The marble remains on the interior.
First Canadian Place. One of the panels fell off in 2007 after a storm and fell 51 stories, prompting the replacement in 2009-2012. I recall the reason was also due to not fully taking into account the environment, the panels weren't made thick enough so when they froze and thawed they would warp and eventually they worked themselves loose.
When I thing of Paris I think of street painters🎨
You only get street painters in Montmartre which is a small portion of Paris
And yet, IMHO, the old buidings and monuments are way more marvelous that these simplistic modern works that a 2 y.o. could make with three pieces of domino.
Yeah good luck in making a 150m high building With dominos
There are (tens of) thousands of marble-clad buildings around the world, are you saying all of them that are at near Parisian latitude will suffer this? Is it not more a problem of the fixing technology used?
Also, CARRARA, not CARReRA.
Marble-clad building fail all the time, for example the Aon center in Chicago and Finlandia Hall in Helsinki.
some engineers carrEra will end soon though XD
@@PhilippeLarcher Hahahahahah
Once i was there with my Family, there were glas planes down in the arch and my Brother straight ran into one
Teseract - the geometric 3D figure? :) just like from the movie Interstellar! :)
Replace the Italian marble with FREEDOM GRANITE!!!
Just watch 6:01 to 6:21, those 20 seconds contain all the information you need, the rest is just stretched out blabla.
I have a question and s request.
Is any of this footage of the monument with the marble?
Could we please see some footage comparing the original marble to the current granite?
yes old the "complete" footages (the older one)
I think granite is not finished yet
The same reason the original marble cladding of the Standard Oil Building in Chicago lost tiles in 1970's. Someone did not read engineering mistakes during arch school.
Why is there an elevator in the middle
The Carrara marble is only for artistic purposes, for this kind of work you'd use Roman Travertine: it's more stable, it isn't porous and it's impervious to both fog and water.
Because it isn't an arch. It is a post and beam construct. Of course marble panels fall off.
This is exactly what happened with the BMO building in Toronto. My dad worked on that building
I wonder what they did with all the marble tiles after they removed them?
Isn't it also a hazard for people passing by?
Been there allot and it’s really big
"...but just as iconic"
bro its a big square
Arch de triumph: You don't look so good.
That building clearly lacks an important component: the Guilloten
Dear France, you built an archless square.
"Started to fall out"
Did they? Did they fall out?
Yes.
Locutus Did any of the panels fall before they were manually taken out, that’s what he’s trying to say. People have an imprecise control of the English language.