+Bladetiger3 Its a certain sight perk on primaries. I've had it on a suros auto rifle as well as a Hakke auto rifle so I know it's not limited to just suros. All just luck of the roll unfortunately. Usually says something along the lines of highlights special enemies
xdarkfires Didn't know Hakke had one too. I also know it's a hidden perk on the Jade Rabbit though. It's pretty handy on my Answering Chord though...I know who to kill or run from first at all times, haha.
Ive gotten so much better since watching these videos. I went from barely breaking 1.0 every game to getting 2.5-3.0 in most 6v6 playlists and 3-5 in the 3v3s You have the soundest advice for PvP and its been a real help. Love all the content and please keep up the awesome work!
Fuck all of 'em,AmIrite? it's not like (more or less) every time I see a Storm Trance it utterly WIPES a team in seconds, or when I shot one with a bow it didn't even die(nor shut it down until I was dead..) but of course, it's just Sunbreaker. Why? Cause Titans. The ONLY problem Ive encountered with them so far was one match of Mayhem clash when I heard a solid 5 or 6 of them go off(I think it was a fireteam) but ya know, who cares. let's just "balance" it for PvP, so it can be ruined in PvE!
+elitehonor117 My main problem with Sunbreaker is the insane damage resistance coupled with the destructive power it has. You should be able to shut it down with a high impact sniper shot to the head, just like you can with Bladedancer, Sunsinger, Stormcaller etc. If the Titan gets enough armor you can't however. Lower the damage resistance so that Her Benevolence class snipers and above can one-shot to the head and I think it'll be more balanced.
elitehonor117 i am not quite sure what u are arguing, but, I assume it is that the Sunbreaker isn't the only op class. Me however, I agree with Trickery its not that op, except for the insane damage resistance combined with healing factor when u kill someone. If they took one of these 2 things out, i think it would be balanced
I dont think its the damage resistance of the super by itself..but more max armor builds alongside that one chest that gives olar classes more armor..(which totally wouldnt be OP with sunsinger and ram..but thats a side note) many people have it so max armor builds are their default, because many people consider it best for crucible-which is kinda imbalanced anyway. I havent been able to test it,but I personally assure you: I've been killed a good few times in PvP with it active, from other supers or occasionally players by themselves. I havent once seen a Sunbreaker just rampage through a match-but I also admit I'm mainly a PvE player, and I really just dont want to see the new class on my main get nerfed to hell while the Stormcallers are off being favored again...because warlock. Some guy on the forums was claiming it was 55%- I cant see that, and if it was, thats more of bungie's fault. Personally, I kinda disagree with ANY supers being a one shot kill, with exceptions to other supers or heavy weapons. Being able to counter is nice, but at the same time its very little risk for reward if done right. Back when shotgun balancing was talked about, bungie talked about risk versus reward. Shotguns are supposed to be high risk, high reward. But then why is it snipers are relatively low risk, and high reward? Super shutdowns from across the map, where they cant even see you, much less kill you? I suppose thats why snipers have damage falloff now,but iunno. I'll admit it again-I dont want the only class I have fully leveled on my titan nerfed, heh. (I restarted my titan when TTK came out)
For Hammer, these are very new subclasses to titans, so this prolonged 3 pov is bound to mess them up from time to time. I had an encounter with a Hammer titan in exodus blue and he was jumping around near the heavy in A, all i did was, as a warlock, float around him trying not to get hit and he eventually jumped off... Another tip for hammer is go into open air. Stay away from walls or any object that can stop a flying hammer and explode in your face. Not sure if they can seek you out, though this strategy has helped me out a bunch of times in control. For storm trance, (a bit risky but works most of the time for me and only works 1v1) Get close and just run, sliding and jumping, no double jumping unless hunter, around them and try to stick to their backs, all while pumping DPS on them.
+True Vanguard Yeah, your videos really help. I used to be a person who got wrecked in pvp, kinda still am, but with your guides, I feel proud of kills I get when I know exactly what I did to get it.
For supers that require the target to be stationary for a quick second (FOH,Nova) if your point blank range with out a shotgun if you melee right as they launch they will be sent flying almost as if being hit by a cabal sheiks but your timing has to be spot on I'm sure you've been sent flying after being melee and you go pretty far , once you get timing down it will almost always work for you just ensure you time your melee correctly
Attention warlocks! When supering with the stormcaller jump in the air when moving around especially through doorways. this will make most snipers trained to put their aimers where the head will be either miss you completely miss you, or body shot you
Squwillsmith yeah I just use blink for the stormcaller and the perk that makes your super last longer when you have grenade and melee full. Was able to kill a titan with hammer of Sol just by blinking all time. And with my nightstalker I leave traps with my super at the doors :3
I'd say I challenge supers probably 5-10% of the time. If I choose not to challenge, I just run and while running, I keep in mind that visual cover helpsand try to cut off line of sights with opponents while running
+Trickery he said high impact sniper. A heashot from LDR or Efrideet's, etc will work even if they have an overshield. Personally I'd just run or use my own super if I have it. Shotgun melee for arcblade, everything else I just try to get out of sight
+Dysangel PS4 Right, max impact snipers work, but out of the year 2 Snipers currently available it's pretty much only Black Spindle in that class. The Her Benevolence class sniper needs to be able to one-shot the Sunbreaker as well. LDR I believe is also in the Her Benevolence class and will not work if the Titan has enough armor (188 damage).
Trickery Weird. I find it really strange that they've made Sunbreaker so overpowered. Golden gun doesn't get an overshield or health regen. Seems like Sunbreakers have pretty much no downside to their super, overshield, multiple one shot projectiles, long duration, massive range. How the hell did that get through playtesting?
+Dysangel PS4 Yeah, I don't get it either. :) It wouldn't take much to balance it, just a slight decrease in damage reduction and a nerf to the insane health regen on kills and it'd be perfectly fine. Knowing Bungie it will probably take 6-8 months to do that though.
Vanguard, the thing is sometimes I do what I normally do; take one shot and run but with hammer of sol and storm caller, especially storm caller they have an INSANE amount of range. They always kill me while I run away around a corner
I tried to take down a sunbreaker with a 1000-yard stare, and I couldn't! Those guys don't die from high impact snipers (except from snipers like black hammer and efrideet's spear). Pro tip: RUN :P
2 MIDA shots and a charged melee attack (personal experience with blink strike but it may work with other melees) will kill a "mature" blade dancer charging at you. If you time it right you will get the kill or the trade every time. Still have no idea how to counter Hammer of Sol effectively. That thing is pretty beastly.
personal i like to wait for someone to pop a super then take em out with the void bow cause even if i miss the direct hit i at least take out the super
Ahh, see that you're working on a Hunter. Picked up Stillpiercer yet? The planetdestiny stats on it are pretty nice, imo. I'm enjoying the crap out of it. Perks on it aren't the best for PVP (except for Snapshot), but I think the base stats make up for the lack of good PVP perks. Unless of course you are amazing and patient enough to get 4 headshots per magazine, potential unlimited ammo could be good for PVP. :)
That's exactly why i dont use low impact snipers period. I dont care for the higher fire rate or amazing stability, i wanna see 400+ dmg when i head shot you so i know i can one shot head shot anything in the game. That is a REALLY important aspect to snipers and these low impact snipers might as well be dmrs.
Use a shotgun when shutting down BD; they come around the corner, you double shot their fade and hope they were tagged earlier OR use FoH to shut em' down.
TrueVanguard, do you think Hammer of Sol has too much damage resistance? I'm irritated that my Stillpeircer doesn't one hit to the head like self res, BD, and SS.
Honestly it depends on what classes and sub classes I use I have been experimenting a little bit in mayhem rumble with the defender titan most cases if your using armor of light and a hammer of sol or blade dancers will want to come In and say high with a good shot gun and punch can take out supers effectively take a look at the video I made for this matter and I'm glad someone else is addressing the problem. m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=5rC2_V7O90A
Overall I like it. It's good, not amazing, but good. Best thing about it is the scope. Nice zoom, but the scope lets you see everything in the peripherals.
Play the objective bro. Don't let them disarm the relic and snipe them as they run away. If all you want is kills, then that's what clash is for. I hate when ppl sacrifice the objective for kills.
+Nick Nabozny 1. That was the game winning kill, why would I jump helplessly across a large expanse running the risk of getting killed out of the air while I'm highly vulnerable instead of taking the easy snipe for the win? 2. Even if that wasn't game point, I was defending the objective from a good vantage point. My teammate was on the platform with the objective, and that's a highly vulnerable place to stand. I had managed to get a handful of kills defending the relic already from that position, but that guy got to the relic, and there's literally no possible way I could have gotten to it in time to stop him. My best bet was to stay hardscoped and hope that he peeks on either side of the relic.
I hate when people come in and bash someone for such a small thing on their channel. If your some god at crucible why are you here watching videos that help improve other gamers. If all you wanna do is be a douche take it somewhere else
Best tip, Run and Hide.
Sometimes, yup
The Suros threat detection sights help as well. If the person you're aiming at is glowing red, they have a charged super.
+[thr33x gaming] Very nice!
So this threat detection is on all, or certain weapons? or is it a possible upgrade that can be on a weapon?
+Bladetiger3 Its a certain sight perk on primaries. I've had it on a suros auto rifle as well as a Hakke auto rifle so I know it's not limited to just suros. All just luck of the roll unfortunately. Usually says something along the lines of highlights special enemies
+xdarkfires oh yeah I saw that on a field test weapon once, but I didn't like the weapon so I didn't keep it
xdarkfires
Didn't know Hakke had one too. I also know it's a hidden perk on the Jade Rabbit though. It's pretty handy on my Answering Chord though...I know who to kill or run from first at all times, haha.
When you said "You zig and you zag..." I thought you were about to go full blown Dr. Seuss on us
Ive gotten so much better since watching these videos. I went from barely breaking 1.0 every game to getting 2.5-3.0 in most 6v6 playlists and 3-5 in the 3v3s You have the soundest advice for PvP and its been a real help. Love all the content and please keep up the awesome work!
The intro about how they added in some new supers that people are struggling with was a polite way of saying, 'fuck Sunbreaker, that op shit'
Fuck all of 'em,AmIrite? it's not like (more or less) every time I see a Storm Trance it utterly WIPES a team in seconds, or when I shot one with a bow it didn't even die(nor shut it down until I was dead..)
but of course, it's just Sunbreaker. Why? Cause Titans. The ONLY problem Ive encountered with them so far was one match of Mayhem clash when I heard a solid 5 or 6 of them go off(I think it was a fireteam)
but ya know, who cares. let's just "balance" it for PvP, so it can be ruined in PvE!
+elitehonor117 My main problem with Sunbreaker is the insane damage resistance coupled with the destructive power it has. You should be able to shut it down with a high impact sniper shot to the head, just like you can with Bladedancer, Sunsinger, Stormcaller etc. If the Titan gets enough armor you can't however. Lower the damage resistance so that Her Benevolence class snipers and above can one-shot to the head and I think it'll be more balanced.
elitehonor117 i am not quite sure what u are arguing, but, I assume it is that the Sunbreaker isn't the only op class. Me however, I agree with Trickery its not that op, except for the insane damage resistance combined with healing factor when u kill someone. If they took one of these 2 things out, i think it would be balanced
I dont think its the damage resistance of the super by itself..but more max armor builds alongside that one chest that gives olar classes more armor..(which totally wouldnt be OP with sunsinger and ram..but thats a side note) many people have it so max armor builds are their default, because many people consider it best for crucible-which is kinda imbalanced anyway. I havent been able to test it,but I personally assure you: I've been killed a good few times in PvP with it active, from other supers or occasionally players by themselves. I havent once seen a Sunbreaker just rampage through a match-but I also admit I'm mainly a PvE player, and I really just dont want to see the new class on my main get nerfed to hell while the Stormcallers are off being favored again...because warlock.
Some guy on the forums was claiming it was 55%- I cant see that, and if it was, thats more of bungie's fault.
Personally, I kinda disagree with ANY supers being a one shot kill, with exceptions to other supers or heavy weapons. Being able to counter is nice, but at the same time its very little risk for reward if done right. Back when shotgun balancing was talked about, bungie talked about risk versus reward. Shotguns are supposed to be high risk, high reward. But then why is it snipers are relatively low risk, and high reward? Super shutdowns from across the map, where they cant even see you, much less kill you? I suppose thats why snipers have damage falloff now,but iunno.
I'll admit it again-I dont want the only class I have fully leveled on my titan nerfed, heh. (I restarted my titan when TTK came out)
Best line "sometimes supers are supers and they kill you"
Nice video. Really helpful. Thanks.
This shit. I like it. Fresh perspective on the hammer super.
I came here to say thanks for the video tips for crucible I became so much better and made my sniping skill smooth now
For Hammer, these are very new subclasses to titans, so this prolonged 3 pov is bound to mess them up from time to time. I had an encounter with a Hammer titan in exodus blue and he was jumping around near the heavy in A, all i did was, as a warlock, float around him trying not to get hit and he eventually jumped off... Another tip for hammer is go into open air. Stay away from walls or any object that can stop a flying hammer and explode in your face. Not sure if they can seek you out, though this strategy has helped me out a bunch of times in control.
For storm trance, (a bit risky but works most of the time for me and only works 1v1) Get close and just run, sliding and jumping, no double jumping unless hunter, around them and try to stick to their backs, all while pumping DPS on them.
Thank you so much TrueVanguard!!! Thanks to you and other youtubers I have become a better pvp player.
Great advice as always.
The Stillpiercer has been my go to sniper since TTK has been released!!
+Balaks no
Im reliving the 15 of September all over again! The wait is real!
I'd be lying if I said I watch these videos just once..
that intro has...BEAT!
:)
Thanks for all these amazing guides and gameplays - really made me a better player. Used to always get
I'm glad to hear that! That's why I do it!
+True Vanguard Yeah, your videos really help. I used to be a person who got wrecked in pvp, kinda still am, but with your guides, I feel proud of kills I get when I know exactly what I did to get it.
Really enjoying your content- sound advice and good gameplay.
I'm glad to hear that, thanks man
the scout rifle at the beginning
TEAM FIRE. I brought down so many Sunbreakers when my entire team turned on them and pumped them full of lead.
For supers that require the target to be stationary for a quick second (FOH,Nova) if your point blank range with out a shotgun if you melee right as they launch they will be sent flying almost as if being hit by a cabal sheiks but your timing has to be spot on I'm sure you've been sent flying after being melee and you go pretty far , once you get timing down it will almost always work for you just ensure you time your melee correctly
Shield no sheiks
Attention warlocks! When supering with the stormcaller jump in the air when moving around especially through doorways. this will make most snipers trained to put their aimers where the head will be either miss you completely miss you, or body shot you
Blink through the doors
Squwillsmith yeah I just use blink for the stormcaller and the perk that makes your super last longer when you have grenade and melee full. Was able to kill a titan with hammer of Sol just by blinking all time. And with my nightstalker I leave traps with my super at the doors :3
Up to your usual high standard TV
I'd say I challenge supers probably 5-10% of the time. If I choose not to challenge, I just run and while running, I keep in mind that visual cover helpsand try to cut off line of sights with opponents while running
Basically, carry a high impact sniper or shotgun for every super except for Sunbreaker. If you hear a Sunbreaker, just run.
+findthereal12 vey high impact snipers like black spindle black hammer ice raker and efrideets spear can one hit sunbreakers.
Would you mind doing a video on Nightstalker builds? I love your content, especially the builds!
I plan on it! Waiting til I have more experience with the Nightstalker before I slap my name on a build I can stand behind
Okay, thanks!
New intro is dope
to kill a super all you do is snipe them with a high impact sniper rifle and the t-bag them
+Fate of Old Fools Doesn't work with Sunbreaker if they have enough armor though.
+Trickery he said high impact sniper. A heashot from LDR or Efrideet's, etc will work even if they have an overshield.
Personally I'd just run or use my own super if I have it. Shotgun melee for arcblade, everything else I just try to get out of sight
+Dysangel PS4 Right, max impact snipers work, but out of the year 2 Snipers currently available it's pretty much only Black Spindle in that class. The Her Benevolence class sniper needs to be able to one-shot the Sunbreaker as well. LDR I believe is also in the Her Benevolence class and will not work if the Titan has enough armor (188 damage).
Trickery Weird. I find it really strange that they've made Sunbreaker so overpowered. Golden gun doesn't get an overshield or health regen. Seems like Sunbreakers have pretty much no downside to their super, overshield, multiple one shot projectiles, long duration, massive range. How the hell did that get through playtesting?
+Dysangel PS4 Yeah, I don't get it either. :) It wouldn't take much to balance it, just a slight decrease in damage reduction and a nerf to the insane health regen on kills and it'd be perfectly fine. Knowing Bungie it will probably take 6-8 months to do that though.
That first clip is why I use ionic blink. That and because I can hug someone while I'm launching stormtrance and do no damage.
For sun breakers if there is no cover, stay in the air its much harder to hit someone in the air then on the ground.
Jumping is good against the Hammer of Sol. Its tougher to hit enemies in the air. This really only works in open air maps though
That's true, not impossible but definitely difficult.
Blink around in a tight circle against a sunbreaker to make him wast his super.
Vanguard, the thing is sometimes I do what I normally do; take one shot and run but with hammer of sol and storm caller, especially storm caller they have an INSANE amount of range. They always kill me while I run away around a corner
suppressor grenades are what I use. I can't tell you how many lives I have saved with them
THE sniper that regenerates health. HOW!?
I tried to take down a sunbreaker with a 1000-yard stare, and I couldn't! Those guys don't die from high impact snipers (except from snipers like black hammer and efrideet's spear). Pro tip: RUN :P
2 MIDA shots and a charged melee attack (personal experience with blink strike but it may work with other melees) will kill a "mature" blade dancer charging at you. If you time it right you will get the kill or the trade every time. Still have no idea how to counter Hammer of Sol effectively. That thing is pretty beastly.
When I'm a hunter, I just use the nightstalker super as trap and try to bait then and when they ran past it they lose their super :3
Hey Vanguard, great video!
Do you have any ideia when will Trial of Osiris come back?
Or even Iron Banner?
Thank you!
According to a tweet from Dereck Caroll, crucible team lead, trials is "soon". God only knows what that means, lol.
personal i like to wait for someone to pop a super then take em out with the void bow cause even if i miss the direct hit i at least take out the super
Correct me if I'm wrong but the 1000 yard stare (I'm pretty sure that's what you were using) has the same impact as the her benevolence
And the longbow
In the vid I use the LDR and a crappy blue sniper with poopy impact. But yes, 1000 yard stare is a year two LDR archetype sniper.
+True Vanguard my bad looked like the stare
Ahh, see that you're working on a Hunter. Picked up Stillpiercer yet? The planetdestiny stats on it are pretty nice, imo. I'm enjoying the crap out of it. Perks on it aren't the best for PVP (except for Snapshot), but I think the base stats make up for the lack of good PVP perks. Unless of course you are amazing and patient enough to get 4 headshots per magazine, potential unlimited ammo could be good for PVP. :)
Workin on it!
That's exactly why i dont use low impact snipers period. I dont care for the higher fire rate or amazing stability, i wanna see 400+ dmg when i head shot you so i know i can one shot head shot anything in the game. That is a REALLY important aspect to snipers and these low impact snipers might as well be dmrs.
I'm trying to branch out with snipers but generally I'm with you. I feel naked without a high impact sniper.
I found out the hard way that solar Titans can't be taken down with a headshot from high impact sniper. Kinda bummed about that.
How about a video similar to this one, but instead about engaging snipers
In episode 2 of my sniper series I talk a little about counter sniping, might be helpful.
Use a shotgun when shutting down BD; they come around the corner, you double shot their fade and hope they were tagged earlier OR use FoH to shut em' down.
Could you do a tutorial about using the radar effectively?
+MagnesiumMasek I do, he's one of my top UA-camrs. I know he mentions it so much and I know how important it is
if you want to get better at destiny pvp as fast as possible. learning how to read and manipulate the radar is probably the most important part
+MagnesiumMasek He did. He uses that clip on the cauldron where he evades like 3 people who were all coming from different sides and elevations
well I kill the hammer with my partycrasher an two blinkstrikes :D
Can we have a vid on how to use swords In the best way? I keep finding myself dyeing to shottys and last word when I get heavy...
I haven't used one yet, have one but never touched it. But it's on my list of things to do!
+True Vanguard cool. Hopefully if you get enough gameplay we'll see a video! :D
Do you seen that first kill in Hovey's Highlights? Do it like that and everthing is good
+Assassine forever I did, it was naaassttyyy
TrueVanguard, do you think Hammer of Sol has too much damage resistance? I'm irritated that my Stillpeircer doesn't one hit to the head like self res, BD, and SS.
The only thing I'd change about HoS is the damage resistance. Bring it in line with Radiance.
what scope and weapon is that?
Can you do another one about sunbreaker now that they were nerfed
What gun were u using.
Watching this in school lol
Honestly it depends on what classes and sub classes I use I have been experimenting a little bit in mayhem rumble with the defender titan most cases if your using armor of light and a hammer of sol or blade dancers will want to come In and say high with a good shot gun and punch can take out supers effectively take a look at the video I made for this matter and I'm glad someone else is addressing the problem. m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=5rC2_V7O90A
thoughts on raid sniper?
Overall I like it. It's good, not amazing, but good. Best thing about it is the scope. Nice zoom, but the scope lets you see everything in the peripherals.
Play the objective bro. Don't let them disarm the relic and snipe them as they run away. If all you want is kills, then that's what clash is for. I hate when ppl sacrifice the objective for kills.
+Nick Nabozny 1. That was the game winning kill, why would I jump helplessly across a large expanse running the risk of getting killed out of the air while I'm highly vulnerable instead of taking the easy snipe for the win?
2. Even if that wasn't game point, I was defending the objective from a good vantage point. My teammate was on the platform with the objective, and that's a highly vulnerable place to stand. I had managed to get a handful of kills defending the relic already from that position, but that guy got to the relic, and there's literally no possible way I could have gotten to it in time to stop him. My best bet was to stay hardscoped and hope that he peeks on either side of the relic.
Career=over
I hate when people come in and bash someone for such a small thing on their channel. If your some god at crucible why are you here watching videos that help improve other gamers. If all you wanna do is be a douche take it somewhere else
What scout is that ?
I forget the name of it. Was a mediocre blue scout rifle that I dismantled.
3rd!
who gives a fuck?
nice video!
Haha
Not first 8(
FIRST! :)
+Cameron Romero Also, what Scout Rifle was that? Seems really good to me :)