Telling people why the PvE failed without even mentioning the state ActiBlizz was in with Bobby Kotick in control and how it affected the OW Team is leaving half of the story untold. There are several accounts about how Kotick would sabotage the OW team during the hiatus and basically left the team and game to rot.
@roshan.m9850 iirc its from Jason Schreiers new book, "The rise, fall and future of Blizzard" or something like that. Schreier being a VERY reputable gaming journalist.
Overwatch's PVE is the biggest waste of potential I've ever seen. If they're not going to make new story missions then they should at least let us play the archives missions again or make the 3 new missions free.
they can't make it free unless they want to refund thousands for those who bought the chapters - including my dumbass - and that's like asking hog to fly.
Real. I played casually since OW1 and nowadays I still enjoy it, but damn seeing the PvE footage again reminded me how great it could've been. (P.S. Custom PvE modes are pretty fun if you manage to find people to play with)
not even like a redeemable coupon on some legendary skin? like they bought in big to levy the cost of something that was never gonna happen, and they dont even get like, the story skins out of it? I understand the devs went through hell through community pressures and corporate pressures, but if the consumer wasnt overpromised to begin with, none of this wouldve happened
The PvE did not fail. What failed is that they stopped improving on it. I absolutely adored these PvE events they were a breath of fresh air from the try hard matches even in qp. The higher difficulties were next to impossible without a cohesive team.
I don't even need to watch this to feel overwhelmingly sad. I fell in love with Overwatch because of the lore and characters and prayed for years for a story campaign that would move both of them forward to eventually come out, but ever since PvE got cancelled I just feel broken. There was so, SO much potential for amazing stories to be told ingame or through an animated Netflix series in the same vein as Arcane, but the devs are simply too greedy to even consider it.
@@verguco6051Yah, because new heroes, maps, modes and systems neither... I mean, bro lit this season theu released 1 new supp, 2 new maps, 1 new mode and 1 new competitive system...
@@yomismo2689 the minimum of content a live servide game should have, nothing special, and even then that content is shit, new heroes are on a broken state, no skins at launch, new modes are shit, completely against overwatch gameplay. when was the last time we got a new event mode? prepare to see less content in next seasons, the layoffs effects will be even worst
I'm honestly more heartbroken than anything about the death of lore alongside the PvE. They're throwing away so much potential by not creating a tv show. As a side note, I actually LOVED Underworld. I wish they would bring it back. I also LOVED Cosmic Crisis, so I'm excited AF for it to return for the anniversary
@@Boopieo Money hungry bosses* the devs only job is to listen to what the people above them tell them to do. Flats recently released a video of a Bloomberg article telling Blizzard's story, and holy shit is it an eye opener.
It really is a sad shame what they did....No reason to not bring back Retribution and the others. I mean if they're not going to do new stuff anytime soon if ever, at least give us what was already created. I don't play comp and if I do it's casual so I can learn and rank, but even then I haven't touched comp in maybe close to a year. PVE does interest me very much as a break to quick play and the arcade offerings. I think it's crazy how so many players out there DO want PVE and missions like that, but Blizzard says no one is interested. I want to know who no one is? Everyone I talk to and even in my group on Facebook all say we wish this was back etc....Events aren't fun anymore. Nothing is new and nothing to get hyped about. Even now with the "anniversary" going on it's still VERY crappy. No good offerings, no bringing back the past, nothing. The opening splash screen is great with all the heroes, but why not bring back the classic OW music??? I HATE the bland dull sound that start up brings. Bland opening to me only foreshadows what's coming ahead....bland.
I really think the campaign would've done just fine if it wasn't released in the context of being released after a full year of the game just nuking its reputations in tiny episodes that are only available for purchase in a cosmetics bundle. Like the gameplay wasn't revolutionary but I was under the impression that these missions were mostly centered around experiencing the story and the cancelled "hero missions" were supposed to be where you go for the meaty gameplay
The death of OW PvE is the single most depressing gaming event I’ve experienced I think. Not just because we’ve lost PvE but pretty much all OW lore now. It’s just a shooter. Oh well…
Something I wanna add about retribution: rialto released the same time as retribution, so we were essentially in unfamiliar territory as the map was fresh. The same goes for storm rising and havana. However, storm rising followed the same route you would take if you were to play havana on attackers side. Not to mention retribution had more areas open that werent previously accessible if you were to just play rialto.
God retribution was so fucking memorable, I remember playing it for the first time and getting really into blackwatch lore specifically - I became a Moira main and I played that mode over and over again every year - I could never beat legendary though since... randoms But hands down it was way more memorable than Storm Rising, even if I did enjoy it and the map alongside it
I’m curious what this good content is that you speak of. Cause we’ve literally just gotten new heroes ( no brainer ), new maps ( no brainer ) and collab skins. We’ve gotten the bare minimum when it comes to this game. Overwatch has become a skin shop first and a game second.
Even then I'd argue the only good we've gotten is maps,the new modes are garbage to play in comparison to every other gamemode except 2 cp and every hero release in busted state and makes the game unfun till there nerfed
10:19 Very minor correction but u hadn’t seen it mentioned yet. If I recall Sojurn was shown way back during the recall as she had been a rather old design for the game
It's still releasing new heroes, maps, and modes, and still getting high profile skin collabs. The skin shop still sucks and we've not gotten much in the way of lore, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be.
21:52 to answer your question, gothenburg was originally designed as a 2cp map which is a game mode that was removed from the game so that version of the map will probably never be added. HOWEVER the assets from that map are very likely to be reused in a future flashpoint or clash map
its sad thinking about what overwatch could’ve been. not like it still isn’t a good game, but it could’ve been so much better.. all that impactful and suspenseful story just for a shitty pve
People also often forget that you could preorder pve, and when the missions came out, I wasn't even allowed to play them. I had to buy something again I already bought.
BATTLEBORN SPOTTED! God, I loved that game. I just don't like games that have no PvE options - PvE's where I go to warm up before PvP and relax if things start getting too sweaty. If there's no PvE, it's way harder to start playing and I leave way sooner. I played both Overwatch and Battleborn when they launched, and I gotta say, Battleborn was my favorite and it wasn't even close.
13:54 this is really the best state overwatch has ever been in? Is the content the skins and collaboration? Genuinely confused here as an OW1 vet who’s main problem with the game currently is lack of compelling content and poor decisions
with junkensteins's laboratory and that new gimmick makes me think that maybe they are working on something in the background, like how they have the upgradable skills, but that might be false hope
Terrible fact about a tv show, it’s never going to happen as there was a Netflix deal to make a show for it, Diablo and StarCraft but they got canceled after blizzard sued them for poaching their CFO
For me, the biggest reason I enjoyed Overwatch WAS the story. The way the characters interacted with each other, the way the maps had small bits of world building built into their very core, the fact that you could envision what each character would be like in any given situation because of how well crafted most of them were. When we finally got the PvE missions I was still happy! Sure, it wasn't exactly what we'd dreamed of and the gameplay was pretty boring at times but the fact that we got to see how characters fit into the story of Overwatch, the fact that we finally got full-on animated cut scenes in-game and the fact that you could tell something was being built up, it was all so perfect. Then, after the announcement of PvE's full cancellation, I kinda gave up caring. Overwatch just wasn't what I liked anymore. It made me sad to think that, no matter how often I personally push for PvE or story drops or animated shorts or a Tv Show, it was all in vain. I hope one day we can see the proper revival of the Overwatch Story cause it's such a good one. We'll finally see the decision Hanzo had to make, Orisa can finally prove her worth, Sombra's master plan can finally be thought out, Doomfist can finally have character development past "I'm a big strong guy", Ramatra's story can finally be told, Symmetra can do something, so many of the new characters can have a chance to shine like Juno or Weaver. Every single character deserves to have their story told in Overwatch because they all have the potential to actually shake up the gaming industry. It's baffling to me that a company the size of Activision Blizzard doesn't have enough people to help develop a story mode for a game that was once so well received to changed the very space of gaming as we know it. Surely, with Microsoft buying ActiBlizz and Overwatch's PvP getting to a state that's not hot piles of steaming flaming garbage, we can one day see a proper game for Overwatch's story. Whether that be in Overwatch 2 or a completely different game, I honestly couldn't care less. I just want to see this story get the love it deserves.
I literally played all of the OW1 PvE events and got all the achievements for them, but was so upset when they started to charge $15 for Invasion. At that point I had already bought the Watchpoint Pack under the impression that it would eventually include the PvE missions and was so disappointed to find out I was wrong.
Thank you for the video. I tell anyone any chance I get that I will never not be mad about Blizz cancelling PvE. It's such an extra twist of the knife when Mirrorwatch and April Fools show off all the potential skills we could have gotten as well.
amazing video as always, ps i loved the stream earlier, i love little slice of life streams where people can chill and talk. and remember, do not fall to chaos and become a heretic
The only reason I started playing OW is because the story missions that were promised to come along with the sequel. Now what I'm playing is a pvp game with just 3 story missions nobody queues for since they either never bought them or have already completed them, and I'm left to rot with FoMO over all the Archives missions that could satisfy some of that desire, but have never returned for new players to try. Not to mention the pvp gameplay itself having next to no real loop to it or rewards system besides swiping a credit card once a week
It pains me to think about all the PvE controversy again but there isn’t much I or any of us can do about it. I do still hope that a tv show or something similar could be made with the signature overwatch style that continues and finishes the planned story. Also fun fact, if you can somehow break into the area on kings row where Underworld takes place, the entire area has collision with a few black voids scattered about. There are custom game codes that allow this and I think it’s odd but cool that these areas, despite being unreachable, still have areas to walk much like on many maps such as kings row with the main one being the flat top next to Big Ben/the clock tower
"Why Overwatch's PVE failed" To put it in a single word: "Kotick." To put it in many more, interference from corporate up in Activision demanded the devs prioritize the dogshit monetization of the game so the investors could see big profit numbers instead of them giving a shit about the actual end product. Once again corporate bullshit ruins something that could have been fantastic. It was no fault of the devs, it was corporate meddling, trying to push stupid crap like OWL (Kotick's baby he managed to sucker other millionaires who had nothing to do with gaming into investing into) as a legitimate eSport and egregiously priced battle passes and cosmetics. It was a top-down failure, simple as.
Well, for what we know now, Kotick wanted to hire haundreds of new devs for ow to develop OW2 while still mantaining OW1 Multiplayer, but Jeff said "Nope"... I just don't undestand that decition.
If you want the source, this was said by Jason Schreier (an impirtant videogame journalist) on reddit some days ago, he will develop this more on his next book where he analyzes the state of Blizzard and its recent history.
@@yomismo2689 So, yeah, that is new information, but a lot of it also boils down to trying to milk as much money out of a situation as possible, and throwing as much money at a problem as necessary in a hasty effort to fix it, both were things that Kotick was guilty of. I understand that Jeff's decision was not "business-savvy", but that's kind of the whole thing with what's happened to Blizzard in general: one of their old trademark phrases was "Release date: When it's Ready." They didn't care how long something took so long as the final product was something that they could be proud of, versus nowadays where they're being made to churn out as much as possible to get as much money as possible, which was the driving decision behind the death of OW2's PVE and emphasis on purchasing heroes or the battle pass or overpriced skins. Kotick wanted to hire on dozens of devs (that he'd likely can once they were done) because he thought it'd get the game out faster and thus get the money faster, without any consideration for the end product or the chemistry of the development team already in place. I actually respect Jeff's choice to deny additional devs on an artistic standpoint, because teams are very fickle things. To make something truly great, your team needs to be in harmony, and a sudden influx of new blood can throw that off completely and result in an unproductive work environment. If new blood was trickled in, instead of an all-at-once surge, that might be a different story. There's also the fact that they dropped Overwatch 2's announcement prematurely, likely to cover up and try to distract people from the Blitzchung incident that had transpired a few months prior. It's a pattern they've been following a lot in the past 5 years too, whenever there's controversy with Blizzard, they reveal a new character or something along those lines to distract from the controversy. Had they not announced the game prematurely (maybe announce it at 2022 blizzcon or something instead) and kept OW2 on a slow burn for a concrete 2024 release while keeping focus on Ow1's development cycle, I feel like things would have turned out differently. You're right there was more nuance than what I said, but I still firmly believe that Kotick was the root of most of the problems at Blizzard, and the recoveries games like Ow2 and WoW are seeing feels like proof of that.
i hope they using those effort to make a tv series for OW since thier team already can make so stuning animation short i like PVE mission with dialog fill me up with the lore in that, but the gameplay just so boring and can't even replay able if is not for the achivement
The best thing there was to do in Junkenstein's revenge was to photobomb enemy spawns Also, when the Archives event first dropped, which was called Uprising, it dropped completely out of nowhere. It was amazing
I remember beating Junkienstein on legendary I was solider and we were a wheel away from losing but we did it it took forever. I’m trying cosmic crisis now and someone keeps going in the maw or we can’t stop the breachers.
I think instead of releasing an entire complete story mode they should've released it incrementally with each installment adding onto the next. It would also fit really well into the season model
A bunch of characters received similar Polar theme skins this year. I actually think this is related to a PVE that was supposed to be used with them, but got shelved.
Im surprised they never made the sniper into a widow skin ( 8:44 ), I remember watching the trailer for retribution and getting excited cause I thought it was a guaranteed skin
At least we now have a better picture of why PvE was canned. All of it was Jeff Kaplan’s baby, he wanted to really put the 2 in OW2. However, he was very adamant that Team 4 be small. Bobby Kotick wanted to hire more people to Team 4. While Kotick was right that more people should be hired, his thinking was more in line of CoD and that more people would get it done faster. Kaplan still had the failure of Titan fresh in his mind and thought that new people would pull direction away from what he wanted for OW2 so no new people were hired. If they could’ve found the middle ground, they could’ve still updated OW1 post Echo but also had people work on OW2. Another part is that an exec(can’t remember his name) asked why they had so many people for things like cinematics. They responded that players liked cinematics. Of course, when people were laid off, the cinematic people were gone.
Winston, Tracer, and Genji feel like the OW posterchilds given how often they show up in PvE Edit: Just finished WatchOver's other videos. Dude, I LOVE your content, subscribed
I played through ow1 from season 3 all throughout its death at ow2. I will miss the memories and the fun I had with the game but ow2 is just not the same and doesn’t encapsulate the same fun I had with ow1. Also WINTON
If there was one thing about the PVE i did NOT LIKE, it was how the only way things got difficult was when everything turned into 5000 hp bullet sponges. It killed the power fantasy of the heroes and it made even the most powerful characters feel like they did lackluster damage. obviously killing bots isnt gonna be the same as players, but players had just the right amount of durability and damage to feel threatening but rewarding to kill.
I feel like the biggest blue balled moment for me, has been Overwatch. I hate PVP, I suck at playing against other people, so I stick to PVE, but years ago I watched the Overwatch cinimatics, I LOVED them. And when the Archive missions came out I was excited, sadly they were only out for the Archive event, so I bought Overwatch1 and played every Archive event, occasionally played AI PVP, but it wasn't the same, then they announced Overwatch 2 with Zero Hour, and I went to buy a bunch of loot boxes to support the game and get as many cosmetics as I could get to have cosmetic options for most of the heroes. Then we all waited and waited. Overwatch 2 released and I was disappointed we had to wait another year for PVE, in the mean time I put together a playlist with all cinimatics and even audio readings of the comics so I could binge through it all just before the PVE released. I had fun with the PVE and the story was great, downside was that it got very repetetive. THen I waited, and waited, for months, and heard the rest of the PVE got canned, and now while I still love the cinimatics I feel so cheated and blue balled, the story was setting up Overwatch to be ruinited, I was excited to see where these potential plot threads could go, and now, nothing. So far nothing seems to be what will carry the story forward. And now it's just resignation, I don't even care to play the game any more aside from checkign out new characters, but what's the fucking point?
I have been playing this game since the beta. It will always have a special place in my heart. All the good and bad memories. All the hours playing with friends and sweating in comp, but ow2 just isnt the same game anymore. Its honestly been a let down since its been out. Just doesn't have that same spark. Regardless I will always play the game until it eventually dies but just wish we can go back to 2017 ow.
An ex blizzard employee revealed with his new book and on a QNA That blizzard was in collaboration with Netflix to make a Diablo, WOW and Overwatch show. But they got cancelled because Netflix tried to take one of blizzard employees which resulted in a lawsuit. And resulted in those shows getting scrapped
It’s funny how overwatch it pve was a lot like battleborns gameplay level up wise and alter abilities. Just shows that game wasn’t a waste and released at the wrong time also had some issues and a lack of enough lore but it had some lore and character interactions.
I will be honest, i want the assasin to be a playable charicter, i love melee only charicters and we only got 2 a tank and support, i dont count genji due to his ninja stars. I feel like the assasin would fit, being able to wall latch and tellaport to get close, and their ult could be the exacute thing, dive onto the enimy pining them and eliminate them after a second. U feel like they would be fun.
The reason is literally just that blizzard cancelled it. There’s no nuance, no “story”, it’s literally just blizzard cancelled it. Prior PvE events were amazing, fun, silly, etc. and each had interesting mechanics even if they were limited. It was fun! The promised PvE was majorly hype. It didn’t “fail”, it was clear the majority of the player base wanted it. Blizzard just decided “y’know what? We’ve taken all your money, now we’re just not gonna give you what you paid for”
OH GOD, I forgot the multiplayer Hero Mastery thingy even existed. I played it enough to get the free stuff from achievements but that's it. That was one of the most boring things I've done in OW. I'm glad you liked it but I honestly hope they NEVER do something like that again. Could have fallen asleep playing that mode.
Yeah also if we do get an overwatch show it won’t be Netflix because there was an article a while ago saying they were working on one with Netflix in the past but they stopped around about 2020 because blizzard claimed that Netflix was stealing their CFO and they tried to sue Netflix for it stopping all chance of a show happening from Netflix
the worst part was that they SOLD the pve gamemode before cancelling it in a stupid bundle that i bought and now i have the clown sombra skin to remind me that i wasted money on that shit(and didn't even got the released missions on the bundle btw)
Overwatch really makes me cry. This is an amazing world with amazing characters with a tagline about heroes and being heroes yet the entire game is a bunch of ppl who are suppose to be saving the fucking world..... Fighting over spots in a map or picking a cart from one side of the map to the other. This is why I've gained such a distain for pvp as a whole. I seriously didn't hate pvp in the past because cod is a boring military game and games like it don't interest me overall. Now though we have so many great idea and premises like overwatch, valorant, apex the list goes on where these amazing characters with histories, friendships, dreams, etc that get made just so they can exist in an endless deathmatch. It pisses me off that this is continually done and ppl accept lore and cinematics and skins as a consolation prize. Why should devs like Blizzard care to make an actual game where something is ACTUALLY DONE with these characters when they can lie and break promises, have the playerbase dog them for a couple months, then go back to business as usual.
Microsoft laid off the entire PvE team last January. Why spend money on cinematics and cool events to generate interest when we can use cinematics to sell skins?
This reminds me of Destiny 2 first 2 years. It really looked like the game would be left to death, a Game with one of the most impressive lores I've seen, a fun gameplay and infinite potential, it was a sad feeling but devs really went and made and absolutely masterpiece by now. I hope Overwatch could have this type of comeback, necessarily with PVE but a fun way to show more lore. An episodic TV serie that get idk a chapter every 2 months, that goes with the season maps or héroes would be great
Trials of sanctuary? A PVE skill structure that’s kinda what was promised but only came out because it was a promo for another game? So they could have done it but didn’t. Tells me everything I needed to know.
Its really funny to think we couldve had a ow series on netflix but blizzard pullout. And so instead we got arcane(league of legends) and its crazy popular. Imagine if we got a OW animated series... if only
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Did you guys know the reason Reaper is in constant pain is because of the cancelled PvE?
pvp was not canceled
Are you in alternative universe?
Bro bring us PvE from your universe if PvP was canceled in yours.
One letter makes all the difference lol
Damn, that means ... Reaper is literally me
Telling people why the PvE failed without even mentioning the state ActiBlizz was in with Bobby Kotick in control and how it affected the OW Team is leaving half of the story untold. There are several accounts about how Kotick would sabotage the OW team during the hiatus and basically left the team and game to rot.
Is funny reading this now. With the News that come out today, and seeing that Jeff was also part of the problem in the hiatus.
@@Defensife it's a hot mess 🫠
@@Defensife do you have a link to that news? I just found out abt it through you
@@Defensife What news?
@roshan.m9850 iirc its from Jason Schreiers new book, "The rise, fall and future of Blizzard" or something like that. Schreier being a VERY reputable gaming journalist.
Overwatch's PVE is the biggest waste of potential I've ever seen. If they're not going to make new story missions then they should at least let us play the archives missions again or make the 3 new missions free.
they can't make it free unless they want to refund thousands for those who bought the chapters - including my dumbass - and that's like asking hog to fly.
I've only been playing overwatch for about a 5 months, but the thought of how great this game could have been made me cry
Yeah if you feel that way after only 5 months you can imagine how players like me who played at launch have felt since 2016 :(
Real. I played casually since OW1 and nowadays I still enjoy it, but damn seeing the PvE footage again reminded me how great it could've been.
(P.S. Custom PvE modes are pretty fun if you manage to find people to play with)
16:31 reminder that those who paid for the $40 founders pack that included "everything" got absolutely nothing even when the story missions come out
not even like a redeemable coupon on some legendary skin? like they bought in big to levy the cost of something that was never gonna happen, and they dont even get like, the story skins out of it? I understand the devs went through hell through community pressures and corporate pressures, but if the consumer wasnt overpromised to begin with, none of this wouldve happened
We had as much PvE in OW 1 than we have in 2
maybe the PVE was the friends we made along the way
dam this gonna be a sad video 🤕🤕
The PvE did not fail. What failed is that they stopped improving on it. I absolutely adored these PvE events they were a breath of fresh air from the try hard matches even in qp. The higher difficulties were next to impossible without a cohesive team.
I don't even need to watch this to feel overwhelmingly sad. I fell in love with Overwatch because of the lore and characters and prayed for years for a story campaign that would move both of them forward to eventually come out, but ever since PvE got cancelled I just feel broken. There was so, SO much potential for amazing stories to be told ingame or through an animated Netflix series in the same vein as Arcane, but the devs are simply too greedy to even consider it.
I'm still coping that they'll release something lore-related one day
@@nikirol4051 You and me both, but at the same time I understand reality and can begrudgingly accept it.
@@nikirol4051I mean, they still make stories and comics sometimes
Relate to this 100%
This game was nothing without the character and stories
@@cajunking5987 I know, but it just makes me want more.
“GOOD CONTENT RELEASING CONSISTENTLY” that’s the funniest joke I’ve heard all year…
they're definitely releasing consistently.. just not, good content.
@@mattsuya7620true
@@mattsuya7620 skins arent content
@@verguco6051Yah, because new heroes, maps, modes and systems neither... I mean, bro lit this season theu released 1 new supp, 2 new maps, 1 new mode and 1 new competitive system...
@@yomismo2689 the minimum of content a live servide game should have, nothing special, and even then that content is shit, new heroes are on a broken state, no skins at launch, new modes are shit, completely against overwatch gameplay. when was the last time we got a new event mode? prepare to see less content in next seasons, the layoffs effects will be even worst
Why can't they just let us play the past PVE stuff :( OW just big and greedy
Cuz Modern Acti-Blizz is dumb, and can't think of any solutions, even basic ones, to save their asses.
because they want us to forget they ever promised more pve, or pay 10 dollars or wtv to play their new missions
“Failed” is an interesting way to say “was taken out behind the shed and shot”
I'm honestly more heartbroken than anything about the death of lore alongside the PvE.
They're throwing away so much potential by not creating a tv show.
As a side note, I actually LOVED Underworld. I wish they would bring it back. I also LOVED Cosmic Crisis, so I'm excited AF for it to return for the anniversary
According to peoples of knowing, a Netflix series was in production but their CFO burnt bridges and it never went futher than whatever state it was in
They should pull some arcane shit.
They have no idea how much money a good OW tv show would pull in.
They had a Netflix show in the work, but it was cancelled somewhere around 2017 due to an impending lawsuit.
They could have just released the lines of dialogue and lore when pve was cancelled but they didn’t.
They did. It's called Overwatch Heroes Ascendant
9:09 you read my mind the reason why I want to retribution back I want to play us Mauga against a heavy assault see who is actually better
They need to give us a mauga talon skin fr
so much potential lost to so little care from money hungry devs.
a netflix series or or feature length film would be amazing
I really hope we get an Arcane-style series.
It’s not the devs that are money hungry it’s the management above them 😔
Devs? Do the devs control the whole company? Or are you just dumb?
@@Boopieo Money hungry bosses* the devs only job is to listen to what the people above them tell them to do. Flats recently released a video of a Bloomberg article telling Blizzard's story, and holy shit is it an eye opener.
@@TheVetoxicanFats*
It really is a sad shame what they did....No reason to not bring back Retribution and the others. I mean if they're not going to do new stuff anytime soon if ever, at least give us what was already created. I don't play comp and if I do it's casual so I can learn and rank, but even then I haven't touched comp in maybe close to a year. PVE does interest me very much as a break to quick play and the arcade offerings. I think it's crazy how so many players out there DO want PVE and missions like that, but Blizzard says no one is interested. I want to know who no one is? Everyone I talk to and even in my group on Facebook all say we wish this was back etc....Events aren't fun anymore. Nothing is new and nothing to get hyped about. Even now with the "anniversary" going on it's still VERY crappy. No good offerings, no bringing back the past, nothing. The opening splash screen is great with all the heroes, but why not bring back the classic OW music??? I HATE the bland dull sound that start up brings. Bland opening to me only foreshadows what's coming ahead....bland.
I really think the campaign would've done just fine if it wasn't released in the context of being released after a full year of the game just nuking its reputations in tiny episodes that are only available for purchase in a cosmetics bundle. Like the gameplay wasn't revolutionary but I was under the impression that these missions were mostly centered around experiencing the story and the cancelled "hero missions" were supposed to be where you go for the meaty gameplay
The death of OW PvE is the single most depressing gaming event I’ve experienced I think. Not just because we’ve lost PvE but pretty much all OW lore now. It’s just a shooter. Oh well…
Something I wanna add about retribution: rialto released the same time as retribution, so we were essentially in unfamiliar territory as the map was fresh. The same goes for storm rising and havana. However, storm rising followed the same route you would take if you were to play havana on attackers side. Not to mention retribution had more areas open that werent previously accessible if you were to just play rialto.
God retribution was so fucking memorable, I remember playing it for the first time and getting really into blackwatch lore specifically - I became a Moira main and I played that mode over and over again every year - I could never beat legendary though since... randoms
But hands down it was way more memorable than Storm Rising, even if I did enjoy it and the map alongside it
I’m curious what this good content is that you speak of. Cause we’ve literally just gotten new heroes ( no brainer ), new maps ( no brainer ) and collab skins. We’ve gotten the bare minimum when it comes to this game. Overwatch has become a skin shop first and a game second.
Even then I'd argue the only good we've gotten is maps,the new modes are garbage to play in comparison to every other gamemode except 2 cp and every hero release in busted state and makes the game unfun till there nerfed
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Very minor correction but u hadn’t seen it mentioned yet. If I recall Sojurn was shown way back during the recall as she had been a rather old design for the game
"overwatch is in a healthy state now". is that a joke?
It's still releasing new heroes, maps, and modes, and still getting high profile skin collabs. The skin shop still sucks and we've not gotten much in the way of lore, but it's not as bad as people make it out to be.
@@RacingSnails64 Microtransations don't make a game good.
You're right @@GummyDinosaursify good thing it can be completely ignored ..
No
@@RacingSnails64 I'm talking in terms of balancing and the broken promises. The only good thing about the game atm is the art team
I hope they bring back some of the old PVE, especially the archive missions; they were so fun
21:52 to answer your question, gothenburg was originally designed as a 2cp map which is a game mode that was removed from the game so that version of the map will probably never be added. HOWEVER the assets from that map are very likely to be reused in a future flashpoint or clash map
its sad thinking about what overwatch could’ve been. not like it still isn’t a good game, but it could’ve been so much better.. all that impactful and suspenseful story just for a shitty pve
People also often forget that you could preorder pve, and when the missions came out, I wasn't even allowed to play them. I had to buy something again I already bought.
They walked back on that stating you didn't REALLY pay for PvE. It was super scummy.
I miss the archive missions tbh. Mostly because they were decent for just playing to chill when pvp didn't hit tbh.
They had lightning in a bottle and all they did with it was break it over our heads.
gothenburg was a 2cp map, when the mode got removed the map did as well, maybe it can come back as a clash map but i dont trust
It has a payload track on it though, right?
BATTLEBORN SPOTTED!
God, I loved that game. I just don't like games that have no PvE options - PvE's where I go to warm up before PvP and relax if things start getting too sweaty. If there's no PvE, it's way harder to start playing and I leave way sooner. I played both Overwatch and Battleborn when they launched, and I gotta say, Battleborn was my favorite and it wasn't even close.
13:54 this is really the best state overwatch has ever been in? Is the content the skins and collaboration? Genuinely confused here as an OW1 vet who’s main problem with the game currently is lack of compelling content and poor decisions
with junkensteins's laboratory and that new gimmick makes me think that maybe they are working on something in the background, like how they have the upgradable skills, but that might be false hope
What happened to that huge beta map called Atlantis???
that’s what i’m saying!!!!
*Talantis
And yeah, it's surprising how forgotten that "community created" map gotten and it's VEEERY uncertain if we'll see it again
What happened to weapon inspects, first person emotes, banners?
Terrible fact about a tv show, it’s never going to happen as there was a Netflix deal to make a show for it, Diablo and StarCraft but they got canceled after blizzard sued them for poaching their CFO
This hurts the game when it was completely cancelled and decisions like this can kill the game
If they aren’t going to give us what’s left of the new PvE and old ones then they should let us use the PvE enemies in the workshop
I wish Overwatch could add the archive missions to the game for those who paid for the Invasion Bundle DLC and missed the events.
For me, the biggest reason I enjoyed Overwatch WAS the story. The way the characters interacted with each other, the way the maps had small bits of world building built into their very core, the fact that you could envision what each character would be like in any given situation because of how well crafted most of them were. When we finally got the PvE missions I was still happy! Sure, it wasn't exactly what we'd dreamed of and the gameplay was pretty boring at times but the fact that we got to see how characters fit into the story of Overwatch, the fact that we finally got full-on animated cut scenes in-game and the fact that you could tell something was being built up, it was all so perfect. Then, after the announcement of PvE's full cancellation, I kinda gave up caring. Overwatch just wasn't what I liked anymore. It made me sad to think that, no matter how often I personally push for PvE or story drops or animated shorts or a Tv Show, it was all in vain.
I hope one day we can see the proper revival of the Overwatch Story cause it's such a good one. We'll finally see the decision Hanzo had to make, Orisa can finally prove her worth, Sombra's master plan can finally be thought out, Doomfist can finally have character development past "I'm a big strong guy", Ramatra's story can finally be told, Symmetra can do something, so many of the new characters can have a chance to shine like Juno or Weaver. Every single character deserves to have their story told in Overwatch because they all have the potential to actually shake up the gaming industry.
It's baffling to me that a company the size of Activision Blizzard doesn't have enough people to help develop a story mode for a game that was once so well received to changed the very space of gaming as we know it. Surely, with Microsoft buying ActiBlizz and Overwatch's PvP getting to a state that's not hot piles of steaming flaming garbage, we can one day see a proper game for Overwatch's story. Whether that be in Overwatch 2 or a completely different game, I honestly couldn't care less. I just want to see this story get the love it deserves.
Bring back junken Stein's Revenge
I literally played all of the OW1 PvE events and got all the achievements for them, but was so upset when they started to charge $15 for Invasion. At that point I had already bought the Watchpoint Pack under the impression that it would eventually include the PvE missions and was so disappointed to find out I was wrong.
Man, I saw you create the original thumbnail on stream (which was neat) and you go and change it? Literally crying.
Thank you for the video. I tell anyone any chance I get that I will never not be mad about Blizz cancelling PvE. It's such an extra twist of the knife when Mirrorwatch and April Fools show off all the potential skills we could have gotten as well.
amazing video as always, ps i loved the stream earlier, i love little slice of life streams where people can chill and talk. and remember, do not fall to chaos and become a heretic
if no one got me i know volkwagen golf gti mk1 got me 🙏 for real thank you for tuning in!
@@TheWatchOverOW no problem man, and never fall to the chaos god
The only reason I started playing OW is because the story missions that were promised to come along with the sequel. Now what I'm playing is a pvp game with just 3 story missions nobody queues for since they either never bought them or have already completed them, and I'm left to rot with FoMO over all the Archives missions that could satisfy some of that desire, but have never returned for new players to try. Not to mention the pvp gameplay itself having next to no real loop to it or rewards system besides swiping a credit card once a week
25:51 underworld also had a bunch of bonus modes where you could play as diffrent heroes
I loved playing Uprising when it first came out. The skins were also great. Sadly, I only managed to get Bastion's.
so basically adding the 2 was a waste
I dont get why they don't revive the archive events. They're fun and can even sell skins. Ideally you EARN them but whatever.
It pains me to think about all the PvE controversy again but there isn’t much I or any of us can do about it. I do still hope that a tv show or something similar could be made with the signature overwatch style that continues and finishes the planned story.
Also fun fact, if you can somehow break into the area on kings row where Underworld takes place, the entire area has collision with a few black voids scattered about. There are custom game codes that allow this and I think it’s odd but cool that these areas, despite being unreachable, still have areas to walk much like on many maps such as kings row with the main one being the flat top next to Big Ben/the clock tower
been playing since winter 2016. Always wanted a pve mode and for it to be done like this is so upsetting
"Why Overwatch's PVE failed"
To put it in a single word: "Kotick." To put it in many more, interference from corporate up in Activision demanded the devs prioritize the dogshit monetization of the game so the investors could see big profit numbers instead of them giving a shit about the actual end product. Once again corporate bullshit ruins something that could have been fantastic.
It was no fault of the devs, it was corporate meddling, trying to push stupid crap like OWL (Kotick's baby he managed to sucker other millionaires who had nothing to do with gaming into investing into) as a legitimate eSport and egregiously priced battle passes and cosmetics. It was a top-down failure, simple as.
Well, for what we know now, Kotick wanted to hire haundreds of new devs for ow to develop OW2 while still mantaining OW1 Multiplayer, but Jeff said "Nope"...
I just don't undestand that decition.
If you want the source, this was said by Jason Schreier (an impirtant videogame journalist) on reddit some days ago, he will develop this more on his next book where he analyzes the state of Blizzard and its recent history.
@@yomismo2689 So, yeah, that is new information, but a lot of it also boils down to trying to milk as much money out of a situation as possible, and throwing as much money at a problem as necessary in a hasty effort to fix it, both were things that Kotick was guilty of.
I understand that Jeff's decision was not "business-savvy", but that's kind of the whole thing with what's happened to Blizzard in general: one of their old trademark phrases was "Release date: When it's Ready." They didn't care how long something took so long as the final product was something that they could be proud of, versus nowadays where they're being made to churn out as much as possible to get as much money as possible, which was the driving decision behind the death of OW2's PVE and emphasis on purchasing heroes or the battle pass or overpriced skins.
Kotick wanted to hire on dozens of devs (that he'd likely can once they were done) because he thought it'd get the game out faster and thus get the money faster, without any consideration for the end product or the chemistry of the development team already in place.
I actually respect Jeff's choice to deny additional devs on an artistic standpoint, because teams are very fickle things. To make something truly great, your team needs to be in harmony, and a sudden influx of new blood can throw that off completely and result in an unproductive work environment. If new blood was trickled in, instead of an all-at-once surge, that might be a different story.
There's also the fact that they dropped Overwatch 2's announcement prematurely, likely to cover up and try to distract people from the Blitzchung incident that had transpired a few months prior. It's a pattern they've been following a lot in the past 5 years too, whenever there's controversy with Blizzard, they reveal a new character or something along those lines to distract from the controversy. Had they not announced the game prematurely (maybe announce it at 2022 blizzcon or something instead) and kept OW2 on a slow burn for a concrete 2024 release while keeping focus on Ow1's development cycle, I feel like things would have turned out differently.
You're right there was more nuance than what I said, but I still firmly believe that Kotick was the root of most of the problems at Blizzard, and the recoveries games like Ow2 and WoW are seeing feels like proof of that.
i hope they using those effort to make a tv series for OW since thier team already can make so stuning animation short
i like PVE mission with dialog fill me up with the lore in that, but the gameplay just so boring and can't even replay able if is not for the achivement
The best thing there was to do in Junkenstein's revenge was to photobomb enemy spawns
Also, when the Archives event first dropped, which was called Uprising, it dropped completely out of nowhere. It was amazing
Love your content! Very cohesive and straight to the point! Keep it up😁
I remember beating Junkienstein on legendary I was solider and we were a wheel away from losing but we did it it took forever. I’m trying cosmic crisis now and someone keeps going in the maw or we can’t stop the breachers.
I think instead of releasing an entire complete story mode they should've released it incrementally with each installment adding onto the next. It would also fit really well into the season model
A bunch of characters received similar Polar theme skins this year. I actually think this is related to a PVE that was supposed to be used with them, but got shelved.
The community needs to continuously demand that the devs get back to work on the pve.
Thank you for the battleborn shout out I miss that game 😢
Im surprised they never made the sniper into a widow skin ( 8:44 ), I remember watching the trailer for retribution and getting excited cause I thought it was a guaranteed skin
At least we now have a better picture of why PvE was canned. All of it was Jeff Kaplan’s baby, he wanted to really put the 2 in OW2. However, he was very adamant that Team 4 be small. Bobby Kotick wanted to hire more people to Team 4. While Kotick was right that more people should be hired, his thinking was more in line of CoD and that more people would get it done faster. Kaplan still had the failure of Titan fresh in his mind and thought that new people would pull direction away from what he wanted for OW2 so no new people were hired. If they could’ve found the middle ground, they could’ve still updated OW1 post Echo but also had people work on OW2. Another part is that an exec(can’t remember his name) asked why they had so many people for things like cinematics. They responded that players liked cinematics. Of course, when people were laid off, the cinematic people were gone.
It sucks that I missed Retribution. At that time I got tired of Overwatch and moved onto Splatoon 2's Salmon Run.
Winston, Tracer, and Genji feel like the OW posterchilds given how often they show up in PvE
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i mean seeing as how they were in an ow strike team it makes sense for them to be in pve a lot, you know?
Thank you for watching! :D
I really hope they do get the chance to continue the story of OverWatch
I played through ow1 from season 3 all throughout its death at ow2. I will miss the memories and the fun I had with the game but ow2 is just not the same and doesn’t encapsulate the same fun I had with ow1. Also WINTON
If there was one thing about the PVE i did NOT LIKE, it was how the only way things got difficult was when everything turned into 5000 hp bullet sponges. It killed the power fantasy of the heroes and it made even the most powerful characters feel like they did lackluster damage. obviously killing bots isnt gonna be the same as players, but players had just the right amount of durability and damage to feel threatening but rewarding to kill.
Battleborn jumpscare.
I miss it every day
I feel like the biggest blue balled moment for me, has been Overwatch. I hate PVP, I suck at playing against other people, so I stick to PVE, but years ago I watched the Overwatch cinimatics, I LOVED them. And when the Archive missions came out I was excited, sadly they were only out for the Archive event, so I bought Overwatch1 and played every Archive event, occasionally played AI PVP, but it wasn't the same, then they announced Overwatch 2 with Zero Hour, and I went to buy a bunch of loot boxes to support the game and get as many cosmetics as I could get to have cosmetic options for most of the heroes. Then we all waited and waited. Overwatch 2 released and I was disappointed we had to wait another year for PVE, in the mean time I put together a playlist with all cinimatics and even audio readings of the comics so I could binge through it all just before the PVE released. I had fun with the PVE and the story was great, downside was that it got very repetetive. THen I waited, and waited, for months, and heard the rest of the PVE got canned, and now while I still love the cinimatics I feel so cheated and blue balled, the story was setting up Overwatch to be ruinited, I was excited to see where these potential plot threads could go, and now, nothing. So far nothing seems to be what will carry the story forward. And now it's just resignation, I don't even care to play the game any more aside from checkign out new characters, but what's the fucking point?
I have been playing this game since the beta. It will always have a special place in my heart. All the good and bad memories. All the hours playing with friends and sweating in comp, but ow2 just isnt the same game anymore. Its honestly been a let down since its been out. Just doesn't have that same spark. Regardless I will always play the game until it eventually dies but just wish we can go back to 2017 ow.
8:50, *CLOAKER ACTIVATION SOUND*
An ex blizzard employee revealed with his new book and on a QNA
That blizzard was in collaboration with Netflix to make a Diablo, WOW and Overwatch show. But they got cancelled because Netflix tried to take one of blizzard employees which resulted in a lawsuit. And resulted in those shows getting scrapped
feel like they couldve made a separate pve thing with the knock off star wars
It sucks that we almost had a show, I just want to know more of the story. At least comic books or something
Im confident they dont release archieves either because they're afraid that people will realize retribution was amazing, or they lost the source code
It’s funny how overwatch it pve was a lot like battleborns gameplay level up wise and alter abilities. Just shows that game wasn’t a waste and released at the wrong time also had some issues and a lack of enough lore but it had some lore and character interactions.
overwatch's 'wax wings' didnt melt, activision/blizzard ripped them off, hid behind a curtain, and promised us they still had the wings...
I will be honest, i want the assasin to be a playable charicter, i love melee only charicters and we only got 2 a tank and support, i dont count genji due to his ninja stars. I feel like the assasin would fit, being able to wall latch and tellaport to get close, and their ult could be the exacute thing, dive onto the enimy pining them and eliminate them after a second.
U feel like they would be fun.
The reason is literally just that blizzard cancelled it. There’s no nuance, no “story”, it’s literally just blizzard cancelled it. Prior PvE events were amazing, fun, silly, etc. and each had interesting mechanics even if they were limited. It was fun! The promised PvE was majorly hype. It didn’t “fail”, it was clear the majority of the player base wanted it. Blizzard just decided “y’know what? We’ve taken all your money, now we’re just not gonna give you what you paid for”
Sparkplug is my favorite brig skin. I never take it off
OH GOD, I forgot the multiplayer Hero Mastery thingy even existed. I played it enough to get the free stuff from achievements but that's it. That was one of the most boring things I've done in OW. I'm glad you liked it but I honestly hope they NEVER do something like that again. Could have fallen asleep playing that mode.
Yeah also if we do get an overwatch show it won’t be Netflix because there was an article a while ago saying they were working on one with Netflix in the past but they stopped around about 2020 because blizzard claimed that Netflix was stealing their CFO and they tried to sue Netflix for it stopping all chance of a show happening from Netflix
There was actually a plan for an ow netflix show that was scrapped cuz ofc it has
the worst part was that they SOLD the pve gamemode before cancelling it in a stupid bundle that i bought and now i have the clown sombra skin to remind me that i wasted money on that shit(and didn't even got the released missions on the bundle btw)
Overwatch really makes me cry. This is an amazing world with amazing characters with a tagline about heroes and being heroes yet the entire game is a bunch of ppl who are suppose to be saving the fucking world..... Fighting over spots in a map or picking a cart from one side of the map to the other. This is why I've gained such a distain for pvp as a whole. I seriously didn't hate pvp in the past because cod is a boring military game and games like it don't interest me overall. Now though we have so many great idea and premises like overwatch, valorant, apex the list goes on where these amazing characters with histories, friendships, dreams, etc that get made just so they can exist in an endless deathmatch.
It pisses me off that this is continually done and ppl accept lore and cinematics and skins as a consolation prize. Why should devs like Blizzard care to make an actual game where something is ACTUALLY DONE with these characters when they can lie and break promises, have the playerbase dog them for a couple months, then go back to business as usual.
Not cosmic crisis appearing literally on my 18th birthday
I really hope for fun pve events this halloween, not sure why is it so hard to make different stuff every year.
Microsoft laid off the entire PvE team last January. Why spend money on cinematics and cool events to generate interest when we can use cinematics to sell skins?
I really miss the diablo event. It was super fun. If the story missions were more like it they would have sold better
OW2's content is just skins. Nothing interesting or unique has been released.
dont you love the... and the... dont you see game is on best state ever?
I just don’t get why the PvE was always timed events. They couldn’t even have it be permanent with rotating maps or something?
Don't like the idea that you are so limited on hero choices for these missions, when you have a cast so large.
This reminds me of Destiny 2 first 2 years. It really looked like the game would be left to death, a Game with one of the most impressive lores I've seen, a fun gameplay and infinite potential, it was a sad feeling but devs really went and made and absolutely masterpiece by now.
I hope Overwatch could have this type of comeback, necessarily with PVE but a fun way to show more lore.
An episodic TV serie that get idk a chapter every 2 months, that goes with the season maps or héroes would be great
Fun fact: Gothenburg is a 2cp map...you can guess why we never got it.
An infinitely replayable and customizable story based PVE experience would be a lot of fun, that's a good idea!
- Shows Battleborn...
LOL, did you ever play it? Battleborn really did what Overwatch 2 promised but died immediately
12:48 that's actually cool tho- was that another idea for Canada map?
Trials of sanctuary? A PVE skill structure that’s kinda what was promised but only came out because it was a promo for another game? So they could have done it but didn’t. Tells me everything I needed to know.
My guy your eyes are so big and beautifuuull 😍
Damn right they are
Athena... I miss old day when Blizzard was Ghibli of game studio.
Its really funny to think we couldve had a ow series on netflix but blizzard pullout. And so instead we got arcane(league of legends) and its crazy popular. Imagine if we got a OW animated series... if only