This could be the NEW light meta
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- Since Embark have changed the way Cashout works in The Finals, grapple is getting it's chance to shine in the latest update. In this video I showcase a build that I believe provides lots of team based utility and can be as good of an option as cloak or dash.
With the recent dash nerfs and grappling hook buffs, do you think that you would consider running this loadout?
Definitely this is an awesome idea
I think this strat would be even better utilized on maps with more verticality. On Vegas and Horizon I think grapple and dash have similar speeds traversing and transporting the cashbox. But on basically all the other maps, the grapple's ability to instantly take high ground is a huge strength, especially if transporting or stealing the cashbox from another team.
I've had the boxes stolen from me from a stun gun + grapple light that instantly flies to the roof of any building and it feels like there's little counterplay.
I can’t wait trying it! Didn’t try the changes to cashout cuz i’m in vacation but I know that this strat is game changing
Dash"nerd" hasn't affected my gameplay one bit it's was a necessary change as it was broken with the 5.5 second cooldonwn and extra 3 seconds for a full stack isn't something I would cry over.
This is a good idea and theory but a horrible load out choice in practicality, another Solo style loadout for lights, People need to realize Lights are part of a team, Outside of being able to move the cash box quickly, Double movement load out choices make you useless to your team
Grapple Chad. I dig it
I love that this game forces you to be innovative with your plays
The meta in the finals is called having fun. Only
Online fps game on earth were im actually having real fun
What a great unpopular opinion, people forget what video games are meant for😂
@@chickenmcfly2133 right on! Also, chickenmcfly is such an awesome name 🤣😎😎
@@chickenmcfly2133seriously, people be playin games now days like we're runnin a 5 star restraunt during rush hour😂
That's so true.
I got better at the game when i decided to have fun, and not play to win. I started winning more that way which makes it funny
I’ve been doing this strategy in normal games ever since the gateway was added to the game. And with that it came bad and good experiences, so here’s some “pro tips” of mine:
1- Always drop the vault to floor level with the Thermal Bore (the gun that blows up holes) before setting the gateways. Sometimes it happens that the opponent sees my gateway open and they just break the floor under it, so when the vault pops, the cashbox doesn’t take the gateway and I have to go there by myself to grab it (which most of the times it doesn’t end well). So by dropping it to floor level, you avoid this from happening. But then again..
2- Gateways can be closed by glitch grenades/barrels. So even at floor level, if my opponent knows what I’m doing, they will just glitch my vault gateway.
“How do I avoid that?” I’m glad you asked! It’s kinda simple but not perfect: switch the order you set the gateways. So instead of setting the vault gateway 1st and then run to the direction of the closest cashout to set the 2nd gateway, I do the opposite order. Why? For 3 reasons:
2.1- By doing in this order, you’re making a 1-way gateway. Because the duration of the gateways being active is the same duration that the vault pops. So when it pops, only the box takes the gateway and it closes right after. But REMEMBER: if you don’t OPEN the vault BEFORE setting the 2nd gateway on the vault, the gateway will CLOSE before the vault pops (I did that a few times..)
2.2- It’s a great way to heist the opponent’s vault. “What do you mean?” Wait.. the comment is this long and you’re still here? I’m losing reader retention.. QUICK! Grab your mom’s phone and put some subway surfers!! I can wait.
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You back? Good. Where was I? Oh yeah, the heist:
- If the opponent has open the vault before you could, you can set the 1st gateway around 50-60m away (70m is the limit, so I set lower than it to have some room to run around in case I can’t directly meet the vault) and then run to the vault, and then in a 3 second window you do this: Grapple for rapid approach, so opponents don’t see you coming -> Set the 2nd gateway over the vault -> Take your own gateway -> (soft) Throw a gas nade to pop at the vault -> Wait for cashbox to teleport while the opponent runs away from your gas (stinky) -> heist complete 👍
And even if they ignore the gas and take your gateway to hunt you, you can aways grapple away, and outsmart them.
(Edit) 2.3- (I remembered a 3rd reason after sending the comment) if you happen to die in the process, at least the gateways are set, so when the vault pops, the cashbox still teleports away from the opponents and one of your teammates can take it (if they are lucky)
Sorry for the long comment, and thank you if you read it all. And if you didn’t.. well.. I have a tl;dr version for you: git gud, noob.
Peace ✌️
Appreciate your effort mate :)
You seem like a nice person.
Bored.
But nice.
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What’s your build?
@@demetrioshill8484 Grappling Hook, M11, Gateway, Gas Grenade, Thermal Bore
As a dash enthusiast after the nerf I’ve been experimenting with grapple, I love M11 with it because it’s hipfire accuracy in air is pretty good so you can really swing in and melt people
The fact that "Do the thing that starts as many team fights as possible" is a viable strat shows how much of an improvemet these changes are
this strategy is great and usually my go-to, but only if you’re in a party. whenever i try this with randoms i cant get them to cooperate, and most the time when i get the deposit, my 2 randoms are dead on the opposite end of the gateway, so i’m stuck between tryna defend a cashout by myself, or going to revive my team, (which either ends in my dying or an enemy team capturing our un-defended cashout.) on top of that, by the time i’ve revived my team, our gateway has closed and i’ve basically swapped places with the enemy team and put us at a huge disadvantage.
happened to me too midway through the vid lol
This was awesome. What I'd love to see is a really good macro strategy video with many scenarios to help people get ready for season 4
Red tank tops, glasses and shorts are the new meta.
I remember seeing the first teaser trailer of the finals and immediately being hooked when I saw the grappling hook, I'm glad people are still finding good uses of it cuz I don't really see anyone but the odd sniper use it
I already saw one of my random teammates using this tactic, and it's worked like a charm
I tried it out and got to the final round first try. My random teammates were pretty good though
This is my kind of meta lol def trying this out
Still running Dash. Have been Dash portaling vaults since they came out with the portal gadget and it's still faster and more versatile than grapple plus allows you to engage easier when not vault running.
This season it seems like there is no "best meta" maybe some gadgets are really useful like gateway but usually it's all about your skill level and your spec' weapon and gadgets being able to work together. For example flame thrower and shield might be hard to play but flame thrower and winch is great
With the rework, I agree that the grapple and portal are definitely much more worth having
Killer content bro. Gonna give this a shot tonight.
you gotta use this build to get double deposits and separate cashouts. i was doing this with grapple
I got it in one game but it's really hard to pull of in soloQ lobbies in my experience, it's hard enough trying to get 3 randoms to follow you through a vault
@ronin_fps well yea and you basically have to Tepe one wait for the another and fly over to separate them or double them
This strategy is quite peculiar. I actually thought about it when i saw the "speedrun" achievement.
Definitely a good watch. I don’t check patch notes to The Finals so you’ll deff get a follow outta me
I never stopped using the grapple 💀
This. I think finally the game has a LMH meta, depositing cash outs plus slaying out a bit harder than normal can advance you without even successfully cashing out
All light specialization is fun and strong overall. Sure cloak might be the meta but i never stopped having fun with the grapple, for me being able to go and disengage anywhere is very strong.
I've been doing a similar tactic. I play solo mostly and my teammates are still Neanderthals running into every contested area instead of taking the path of least resistance. So I end up having to hold their hands, reviving them after I throw in the cashbox. Which creates a good pace to destroy the enemy team trying to taking over the cashout.
Had time to play 1 WT today and I tried this, it worked pretty dang well but I Got lucky and had a good heavy and good medium on my team. But yea with a good team this strat is mad fun and useful
0:55 NOTE you have to be within 70 meters when you throw the gateway otherwise it dissapears
The sword attack dash combo is currently the fastest way a player can move solo as it triples dash distance> I do this strat with Dash/Sword/Gateway combo :) also correctly placed goo will stun an enemy that is stealing so I use goo over taser for the added utility.
First video I've seen about this topic! Was considering making one too. I've been using sword dash / Stun / gateway for this. Often times, putting a box in myself. Then going to the OTHER box stunning them and taking it out their hands, most consistent win rate I've had...
High risk high reward
Ive been running grapple for a while, i like invis bomb, sonar, stun I can do more for my team with the other gadgets
I like this build but I’d rather take dash n frags over glitch. Dash has more movement options, and frags are really versatile (destruction, opening a fight, punish someone chasing, clearing mines,etc)
As a medium that uses dematerializer, when I see a box with a portal opening on it, I just dematerialize the floor that it is sitting on so that's when it jumps off I can grab it before it goes through the portal, easy counter, dead meta.
only works if it has a floor to be dematerialized, not all of them do
I used this before the new changes, it’s definitely more viable now than ever
Being able to guarantee that 30% is so helpful now
As a dash warper, I was always good at getting the box in first. People quit the game when I show up with a sword though 😞
I just play Helldivers now.
Demat the floor under the gateway if the light leaves the vault ungaurded.
This is a good example of a strategy for the new WT rules.
Im just a little confused how Grapple added anything that Dash wouldn't. Especially based on this gameplay.
Grapple has the best uptime in terms of mobility out of the light class options, and it also lets you traverse vertically along with being a great GTFO option if someone follows you through the portal. Dash is better for being aggressive but for this strategy I was trying to maximize mobility and cashout deposit speed, but running dash isn’t a bad option if you don’t mind having a little less mobility on certain maps in favor of a more aggressive playstyle
Lmao this actually works. Getting to the finals is easy. Now winning, on the other hand, is where your skill shows.
Really well said and edited. Love these videos
Smart tactics, lights are so fun to play no matter what you do. All the other classes only feel good to play when in conjunction with their teammates.
I feel like because this is too op gateway is going to get nerfed
Shut up about nerfs
Embark forced players to be more dynamic than ever and made it so that noobs learn rotations for once with this update so no, they should leave it as is
I've been using this playstyle since season 2. Thanks to the unfair nerfs to all classes except Light, the only downsides I can think of are:
If you don't position your teleports correctly, you can easily give the enemy a way to follow you, which can lead to a 1v3 situation.
Most of the time, your team is busy playing TDM instead of running with you through the portal. This can be mitigated with good communication or by babysitting your team.
Enemies can steal your cash box by spamming grab key before it goes inside your portal.
Edit: Also, your team can pottentially flame you for not "helping them", when youre busy delivering the cashbox to the station, they will inevitably feed the enemy. Another advice would be, if you're reaching the station and you hear enemy footsteps, runaway with the box, make them fight for the box, you have the mobility to go around the map and reach the other cash station. This strat will only shine perfectly with a party.
This is not a meta, just an old playstyle that no one cared about because it focuses on playing the objective rather than TDM. Third partying is the real meta (I'm thankful the devs are trying to fix that 😎). By the way, cloak never stopped being meta, and dash was meta the whole season 2 because of how broken the sword is. Additional buffs to daggers made them more picked as well.
Mention other options are still good at the end of the video, my intro was just reflecting on what was really popular back then - as for the enemy team following you through the portal, that’s part of the reason you run grapple to immediately leave if something like that happens. The reason I say it’s meta now is because depositing the cash box yourself is so much more valuable than it used to be, and this has the most mobility uptime for light. Team playing TDM really is an issue for this build tho 😅
@@ronin_fps i was expecting embark to remove the wipe penalty only for the team defending, but still active for the rest. this could certainly mitigate the TDM mentality. i was able to steal both vaults with this playstyle and take them to my own cash station while the whole sserver kept playing COD. funny. thats how ive got to top 1000 in wt. and for teammates, at this point everytime i queue i just expect them to be monkeys, so no issue there. As a light player, I usually end up with 4 tokens and my team 1 each. Pure brain rot.
@@ronin_fps good video btw
@@EBOLAtugfeTVI like the new changes they made but honestly this is t a bad idea either
Great idea
Awesome video! Love the idea might have to steal it
Guys I think light is a really good class
170+ hours on dash. Id argue you are able to cover the distance the grappling hook gives you by using 3x dash if you know how to handle momentum in this game. Given dash is still the winchclaw kryptonite id go dash allday. On the other hand i am surprised how fast grappling recharges nowadays, it does have a very high skill ceiling.
Dash is really good for aggressive plays and surviving the heavy winch claw but grapple does technically cover more distance than dash in general, plus it lets you access hard to reach cashouts (such as those on the top of buildings) very quickly and has a higher uptime. I could see an argument to be made for running dash on a map with the big jump pads though! IMO if you are running dash it’s best for combat purposes and not utility like the grapple in this video
The grapple is the reason why I switched to light this season. I have 376 hours on medium and the grapple makes all that seem pointless
I hate the grapple
@@flowrepeatswhy?
@@demetrioshill8484 I used to main medium, but the grapple’s stun is just something you can’t get away from as a medium aside from a jump pad, which after being grappled has such a small window to place down before the heavy kills you lol the light’s dash is the best way to evade it or move after they grapple you. Which is why I’ve played light this whole season
@@flowrepeats oh you are talking about something completely different. You are referring to winch claw.
@@demetrioshill8484 correctamundo
To be fair, just because a team mate stays behind to guard the cash box doesn’t mean he’s trying to fight people. Depending on where your vault is, an enemy can destroy the floor and take the cash for free, so it’s not the worst idea ever to have one person stay behind to make sure it’s okay then take the portal if something goes wrong or when it’s done…
Fair, but once the cash box is secure you would naturally follow immediately afterwards, so I’m not sure that’s what was occurring with some of my teammates 😆 but yeah I can see that being helpful for certain cash box spawns
@@ronin_fps lol that’s true. I guess I’m just coping here because I like to stay behind to make sure the box actually goes into the portal then I go through the portal after it unless there are tons of enemies then I go before it’s ready. Because I know when I see a gateway above a vault, I just break the floor and it’s mine now lol. It happens every once in a while.
Im always playing gateaway as light but 90% of soloq teammates fighting for vault for no reason, also their quitting voice chat making it more difficult to win. I use cloak for information or escape, and i m giving a lot of useful information however its become literally useless
Great video
Now i don't care what the video is about, i see the finals i'll give a view and a like bcause the game has lil big content creators (most players dont record) so ima support anybody giving the game some exposure.
EDIT: quick dash i really dont think will leave the meta just on the fact u can do 3 in a row and doesn't need something u could graple into first.
Oh I don’t think dash is going to be “replaced” in the meta by any means, more so that this is a new option that brings a different kind of utility that is very valuable. Might see a bit more of both now
IMO grapple has been the best light loadout. Best mobility allows for so much
Correction to the beginning of the video: Cloak wasn't meta it was people not knowing how to spot it, and then it fell off so hard due to overnerfing making ED (Evasive Dash or Erectile Dysfunction, they go hand in hand if you main dash) the "meta" in S3, IE the uncontested best specialization due to the other specializations being garbage in comparison. Want to go across maps faster? ED into a jump pad gives just as much distance and is so much easier then grapple. Want to avoid people and get sneaky kills? Well I can certainly say that that loud as fuck camo aint gunna net you any more sneaking then a bull in a china shop. You can dash outta sight, into sight, behind people and just use your movement to generally skip any issues sneaking up on people would bring as you can approach them faster then a nest of hornets after kicking them. Uncontested, and I mean at a base level for the basic stuff you can do with them and this gap between utility for each is only exacerbated by the higher and higher skill levels. Rant over to anyone reading this far have a great day and don't get caught with ED ;D
This post was made by the Grapple Gang, grapple 4 life.
*loud as fuck cloak sound*
s1 player: hmm must be ambience
I hate what they did to cashout. Not losing money on wipe totally takes away the unpredictably of winning and caution needed to maintain your position in 1st. Now you don’t get punished for shitty plays, and whoever is in first place will stay in first place.
I’m pretty ok with the 30%/70% changes for cashout and the kill changes but the team wipe penalty being removed seemed completely unnecessary
dope video
Thats genus for the gate way i don't really like cashout im more of a power shift fan because your able to change your loadouts and person
Could a Heavy put c4 on the cash box before it unlocks and falls with box into the gateway? Would the C4 than be in your face once it hits gateway?
I'm curious if goo gun just stops gateway too
I don’t think c4 stays on the box if you put it on before it unlocks. Even if it did, that’s part of the point of running grapple is so you can gtfo immediately if any silliness happens. Goo gun I’m not quite sure of, but if that does work that would be hilarious
Is there a way to tell the max distance on the second gateway?
This would only work in first two rounds final round doesn’t give any bonus for depositing
I think gateway needs a max distance nerf tbh, it was already pretty meta but now it’s even better.
No, cause it only has 80 meters.
@@monkey-with-the-drip5296 that’s a ton. It could be 40 and still a high tier gadget.
Woah
I can’t watch the footage if you put the text on the crosshair
That’s what we call “background gameplay”
🥲just want a good team mate fr
Its a shame you cant change ability for final round. Grapple is weak there since the deposit bonus doesn’t exist
Grapple is far from weak in a 1v1 situation. Like Dash is the best for dueling but with Grapple you can get the drop on enemies since it gives you good positioning and crazy gap-closing.
@@burt9253 Dashes and invis are much better in 1v1. Grapple gives away you position
Post longer vids !!!!
drop the stun for recon nades tbh
And then you have 0 way to stop somebody from taking cash out and sometimes as a solo you have to carry your team
My question is how do u handle final round
That's where it comes down to skill. I usually swap out the gateways for frags at that point and then just play height and off angles
how do you throw greanades farther as a light
I always add a little jump into my throws as it seems to be velocity based
@@ronin_fps cool thanks :)
New meta for light? a sandbag meta lol
this isnt really new. its been a thing since the gateyway dropped
But it really shines now especially with the changes to cashout. Not saying it’s never been done before (something has almost always been done before by someone) but it’s definitely much more viable for your team now
dash better
It's decent after nerf It's sad
I love aimbot+wallhacks combo too, keep the good cheats. 4:49
Bro cannot comprehend being good at video games - it’s called prefiring ya goofball
@@ronin_fps Wow, you guys have a very fragile ego, I commented 3 minutes ago, and you instantly put me in your crosshairs. Generation Z is doomed; but you never fail to make me laugh.
🤣😂🤣
@@gepsal209 lol ofc you jump to attacking the person instead of the argument they're making. classic bait
@@gepsal209 are u a real person
- sees an average at best play
- comments “hacker”
- gets upset when I respond on a public comment section
- “this generation is doomed”
Excellent video I have a lot to learn
nerf lights @reachthefinals