i honestly love to have a nice crosshair because the quality of ironsights often depend on the lighting conditions. Sometimes you cant even see the dot of the revolver when aiming from a dark place to another dark background.
I love the multiple assets that the KS-23 can offer, like being able to destroy stuff, shoot and hide, movement,... Playing it with the winch claw makes it even more efficient, just shoot and punch, shoot and punch,... I personally don't have that much of a hard time fighting against a SA1216 user in pro scrims or tournaments😁
Agreed, especially how they make the recoil patterns for the heavy lmgs really difficult to learn. Fcar as well. It just means only good players or heavy only users can effectively use them.
@@zsideswapper6718 yes but its counteractive because these weapons they are changing the recoil for are only good for high up in the competitive scene. When has Lewis gun ever been opressive in casual game modes? Never because heavy is bad in these gamemodes.
@Val-Yob to me the m60 feels good to fire but its peashooter and the lewis gun feels like an actual roulette wheel since the recoil is too hard to control sometimes and it does low damage
I know the heavy is focused on short range but I would really like a long range weapon. Either make the ks-23 have a headshot bonus and much longer/no drop off damage, or add a barret .50 cal without a scope that fires slightly slower than the ks-23. Let me be master chief with a sniper rifle bursting through walls and dropping from the sky with rpg.
I hope in s4 they add some fun new guns, like a dmr or turn the FCAR into a dmr, and then some dual wield weapon for either heavy or light (preferably heavy).
@@square6293 I would like it to be AK for close to mid, famas the all rounder, and fcar to be for range like a dmr. Not that they cant do the other roles theyre just less optimized. Dual wield mjolnir lighting hammers for heavy would be dope. Light could get kung fu with regular melee being replaced with a kick.
For casual modes, quick cash or TA I don’t have issues. I’ll maybe have some on power shift depending if they are all snipers, but then I ignore point and go hunting
I still use Lewis gun with charge and slam because charge and slam just destroys mesh shield players doing up to 300 damage and if you get winched you can just run away but they need to fix the recoil pattern on the Lewis gun
@@Four-Beat-DJ yeah I'm a heavy player mate, sometimes they are not gonna use the winchclaw and wait till u charge, it's a 50:50 chance... I prefer SA1216 when Im using charge because once I got grabbed I could just shooting to the opponent's heavy with close range and u know the damage is no joke with that, even hammer couldn't survive
Season 1 SA12 was the most terrifying thing I've ever seen, I remember softaimsuppress just getting 20 kills in 1 minute with it, granted it was harder to use properly back then because of rpm but nowadays I do feel like the mag size even with the animation is a little too much.
I feel like your videos would be a lot more useful if you showed clips of each weapon and specialization as you're talking about them, demonstrating the strats and synergies you're listing rather than just playing clips of you killing people with a flamethrower. You talk about great potential utility with the goo gun but don't give any examples. Supporting evidence would give your opinions and statments a lot more weight, and increase the production quality of the channel in general.
I'd like to see actual approximate ttks for spear, sledge, and flamethrower. Every spreadsheet I've seen ignores quick melee combos and burn damage. What's the actual TTK look like in practice for these weapons?
The issue is when the melee is registered can actually vary depending on distance, aim etc etc, netcode plays a big part in it, giving a ttk is so inconsistent so nobody opts to actually give one, it's best to know combos and what to use and when to use it, which adds to the complication. Judging the melee weapons off of a ttk is really irrelevant and it's best that stat isnt even explained because it would be misinterpreted so much. User experience is very important here
Best for scrims and high elo doesn't necessarily mean best for casuals and solo queue, so this is probably misleading for most. SA12 is honestly niche if you don't have a medium boosting you around everywhere, mesh will never get utilized by your teammates outside of stealing cashouts, and charge encourages a kind of trade-y playstyle that you wont get away with without defib mediums baby sitting you. (your teammates will be staring at the respawn screen 90% of the time in solo queue) M60 (lewis if you can aim it) and KS-23 are the best "I can't rely on my team" weapons for Heavy, and Winch is by far the best specialization. Goo Gun actually surprisingly good for solo queue too though.
yeah exactly, thats why i was saying sa1216 best for low elo but for lower elo stuff like winch and sledge goes hard, but ultimately use what you think is best! I'm just giving the stats and giving my opinion but I leave the stats and facts about the weapons there for you to decide what is best for you!. I personally don't enjoy using SA1216 at all but in scrims n stuff i force myself to, in wt i sometimes enjoy the ks-23 its really solid there. if im solo queue i prefer mesh and sa12, the standard meta build but ultimately you gotta do whats right for you!
I think they need to buff weapons more, it really seems like this game is really close to the point where specialising in a weapon/loadout is more important than using the most meta weapon (except TA, that game mode is just dominated by meta for some reason)
i just dropped a 30 with a flame td . the lobby wasnt too good though . maybe there arent sweats in wt bc its not taken seriously . still love the finals tho n hope a ranked gamemode comes back and new metas come out
Honestly the flamethrower carries so much utility. Paired with a goo gun its a free burn guarenteed nearly if you get someone stuck in it. Enemy has a field of mines? Flamethrower. All those mines are gas? Flamethrower. Riot shield user? Flamethrower. Only counter ive met to flamethrower are snipers/bows/experienced spear users other than that its pretty much a stomp most matches.
Not saying it's the best heavy wep, but spear is slept on bigtime. The secondary attack spin can be animation cancelled at any time, and the first two hits come out super quickly, giving you the same dmg as a sledge secondary but in a 360° arc with longer reach to boot. Pairing it with charge & slam for mobility, destruction and extra damage has seen me top score countless games and frankly, I'm a pretty trash player. Until they patch the animation cancel I reckon it beats out the sledge for best heavy melee.
Sledgehammer easily destroys spear at every situation. And the spear secondary attack is so inconsistent it doesn't do damage most of the time while it should do. And the secondary attack makes you a sitting duck everyone can easily kill you and run away from it and the animation cancel make you stuck for 1 second Wich is huge disadvantage compared to sledgehammer secondary attack Wich is way faster and has destruction ability.
@FirstLevelBoss bringing up the emote wheel cancels the animation. You can cancel at any time in the animation but if you do so before the final swing you'll be unable to attack for about a second. You can use specializations in this state though, including charge&slam. Or you can circumvent the problem by canceling during the first frame(s) of the 3rd swing animation
Am I the only one that really doesn't get the appeal of the SA1216? Maybe it's a skill issue but I can never seem to have good results with this gun. It feels impossible to out-DPS literally anything.
gotta get in the enemies face, helps if u have a heal beam user with zip and jump pad getting u around the map, if you are playing solo with no help from your teammates id recommend trying the m60 or ks-23 and just setting up a little defense with barricades and stuff, sa12 is the strongest weapon but you have to be hyper aggressive to get use out of it which requires help from your team
Heavy is the worst class and stop recommending this sht to new players, ig that's one of the reason why this game is already dead. Playing heavy sucks and ppl try it out and leave the goddamn game. fk heavy
Incorrect My friends who were new to the game in S2 enjoyed heavy more than the other classes because of the destruction he gives. Although I see why heavy can be a bit boring in competitive
the slug shotgun should have proper ads consider that shid fire 1 straight shot, and headshot damage too
Agreed. Don’t know why they made it have the off-to-the-side angle when you aim
They made the spread pretty tight so it's not a biggie. Clearer view too. I agree with headshot damage tho! That would be so rewarding!🤯
@@user-ne9sd4ow1othere’s no spread. It’s a slug so it’s just one single bullet
i honestly love to have a nice crosshair because the quality of ironsights often depend on the lighting conditions. Sometimes you cant even see the dot of the revolver when aiming from a dark place to another dark background.
@@jassom1270 true, but ads removes a lot of what you can see at the bottom of the screen.
Blink once, you see this video. Blink twice, you know the best weapon is SA1216.
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@Geordie-r1q but it is a joke.
Not a fan of it im more of a ks guy
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@@rassestI’m more of a flamethrower pyro nade heavy
just sit on them innit
holy shit is that noble the finals
Holy crap it is! Hey let me know if you need a third of fifth!
m60 is so cool but man is the ttk pathetic
As a heavy main with max level M60, the best heavy weapon is the MGL
MGL is the most difficult heavy weapon but it's really² great once you master that weapon
As a MGL user, it’s aggravating and satisfying
@@logangilliam6502 Definitely a love hate relationship with the mgl lol
MGL is secretly powerful. Whenever I take it I love using it.
I love the multiple assets that the KS-23 can offer, like being able to destroy stuff, shoot and hide, movement,... Playing it with the winch claw makes it even more efficient, just shoot and punch, shoot and punch,...
I personally don't have that much of a hard time fighting against a SA1216 user in pro scrims or tournaments😁
i hope ks-23 becomes meta! SA1216 boring tbh, everyone runs it in scrims
@@Appoh Yeah, it's just not my play style too, I'm surprised no one else tried to use the KS-23 yet except for me
@@NolyX_ prob cuz its not as good as sa12, thats why the breakout winners are sa12 users even 2nd place
what about a hip fired 50 machine gun? i think that’d be sick
I hate the way they balance the game by changing recoil patterns and damage
Agreed, especially how they make the recoil patterns for the heavy lmgs really difficult to learn. Fcar as well. It just means only good players or heavy only users can effectively use them.
When you increase the kick of a weapon, you don't nerf it, you only make it harder to use.
@@zsideswapper6718 yes but its counteractive because these weapons they are changing the recoil for are only good for high up in the competitive scene. When has Lewis gun ever been opressive in casual game modes? Never because heavy is bad in these gamemodes.
fcar has almost no recoil now. it’s amazing
@Val-Yob to me the m60 feels good to fire but its peashooter and the lewis gun feels like an actual roulette wheel since the recoil is too hard to control sometimes and it does low damage
I’d say sa12. I love playing with teammates who use the flamethrower they draw so much attention
I know the heavy is focused on short range but I would really like a long range weapon. Either make the ks-23 have a headshot bonus and much longer/no drop off damage, or add a barret .50 cal without a scope that fires slightly slower than the ks-23. Let me be master chief with a sniper rifle bursting through walls and dropping from the sky with rpg.
I hope in s4 they add some fun new guns, like a dmr or turn the FCAR into a dmr, and then some dual wield weapon for either heavy or light (preferably heavy).
@@square6293 I would like it to be AK for close to mid, famas the all rounder, and fcar to be for range like a dmr. Not that they cant do the other roles theyre just less optimized.
Dual wield mjolnir lighting hammers for heavy would be dope. Light could get kung fu with regular melee being replaced with a kick.
M95 (yep, the bullpup and bolt action version of the M83) would be great for Heavy.
*clears throat*
MGL32!
I’m sorry but the hammer will always be #1 on fun and destruction and utter chaos. Flanks with the lollipop hammer are my speciality.
Welp, on casual modes where lights are numberous yep.
For casual modes, quick cash or TA I don’t have issues. I’ll maybe have some on power shift depending if they are all snipers, but then I ignore point and go hunting
Heavy flamethrower is very underatted
Mgl is so satisfying to get kills with especially if you arc the shots through windows and stuff
I've died to heavys without seeing them 😂
I still use Lewis gun with charge and slam because charge and slam just destroys mesh shield players doing up to 300 damage and if you get winched you can just run away but they need to fix the recoil pattern on the Lewis gun
i miss old lewis gun
Winchclaw can cancel charge
@@septiarizqyrenaldi2038 true but I’m referring to when you get winched to another heavy with a sledgehammer for example you can then charge away
@@Four-Beat-DJ yeah I'm a heavy player mate, sometimes they are not gonna use the winchclaw and wait till u charge, it's a 50:50 chance... I prefer SA1216 when Im using charge because once I got grabbed I could just shooting to the opponent's heavy with close range and u know the damage is no joke with that, even hammer couldn't survive
KS 23 and flame thrower is all I use! Sometimes hammer or spear. I only used hammer until KS23 came out. The destruction is so useful! 🎉
Season 1 SA12 was the most terrifying thing I've ever seen, I remember softaimsuppress just getting 20 kills in 1 minute with it, granted it was harder to use properly back then because of rpm but nowadays I do feel like the mag size even with the animation is a little too much.
yeah it has been the go to top pick for too long imo
I feel like your videos would be a lot more useful if you showed clips of each weapon and specialization as you're talking about them, demonstrating the strats and synergies you're listing rather than just playing clips of you killing people with a flamethrower. You talk about great potential utility with the goo gun but don't give any examples. Supporting evidence would give your opinions and statments a lot more weight, and increase the production quality of the channel in general.
I'll keep that in mind
I really like the M60. Mostly cause I miss too much with the shotgun
lol fair
I'd like to see actual approximate ttks for spear, sledge, and flamethrower. Every spreadsheet I've seen ignores quick melee combos and burn damage. What's the actual TTK look like in practice for these weapons?
Regard everything except for Spear
The issue is when the melee is registered can actually vary depending on distance, aim etc etc, netcode plays a big part in it, giving a ttk is so inconsistent so nobody opts to actually give one, it's best to know combos and what to use and when to use it, which adds to the complication. Judging the melee weapons off of a ttk is really irrelevant and it's best that stat isnt even explained because it would be misinterpreted so much. User experience is very important here
As a heavy main I've been running the SA for a while and I completely agree, it outperforms pretty much everything imo.
@@LKeyYT yeah it doesnt take too long until you learn the weapon and start to dominate lobbies
Quick tip: you can trigger explosives through walls with melee weapons. Even as light.
Poor SLEEK that heavy had him in a chokehold that game 😭
Best for scrims and high elo doesn't necessarily mean best for casuals and solo queue, so this is probably misleading for most. SA12 is honestly niche if you don't have a medium boosting you around everywhere, mesh will never get utilized by your teammates outside of stealing cashouts, and charge encourages a kind of trade-y playstyle that you wont get away with without defib mediums baby sitting you. (your teammates will be staring at the respawn screen 90% of the time in solo queue)
M60 (lewis if you can aim it) and KS-23 are the best "I can't rely on my team" weapons for Heavy, and Winch is by far the best specialization. Goo Gun actually surprisingly good for solo queue too though.
yeah exactly, thats why i was saying sa1216 best for low elo but for lower elo stuff like winch and sledge goes hard, but ultimately use what you think is best! I'm just giving the stats and giving my opinion but I leave the stats and facts about the weapons there for you to decide what is best for you!. I personally don't enjoy using SA1216 at all but in scrims n stuff i force myself to, in wt i sometimes enjoy the ks-23 its really solid there. if im solo queue i prefer mesh and sa12, the standard meta build but ultimately you gotta do whats right for you!
I think they need to buff weapons more, it really seems like this game is really close to the point where specialising in a weapon/loadout is more important than using the most meta weapon (except TA, that game mode is just dominated by meta for some reason)
Flamethrower for lower ranks where people can’t shoot through the flames or maintain distance well.
also solid
I main the spear and sheild. Mainly because i play power shift most of the time
I would love to see the KS doing 105 dmg and/or two shotting walls.
Sledge + Winch is the reason i still love playing heavy
Spear has just been my most consistent weapon. Though admittedly I'm only Gold 4 in WT lol.
I have this feeling the slug shotty should headshot for at least a reduced headshot multiplier hmm
would be nice
Agreed
i just dropped a 30 with a flame td . the lobby wasnt too good though . maybe there arent sweats in wt bc its not taken seriously . still love the finals tho n hope a ranked gamemode comes back and new metas come out
There ain’t no best weapon, it’s the PLAYER as simple as that
Charge n slam.. 🤣 ngl it's my crutch
For me sa1216 and hammer is the most potential for instant kill, but Lewis gun is the most consistent weapon in any situation...
Lewis Gun recoil pattern: ↪️⤴️⤵️🔄↖️↙️🔃↖️
I'm still better with the Lewis than the SA1216. I think maybe I'm using it wrong 😅
a trooper
Honestly the flamethrower carries so much utility. Paired with a goo gun its a free burn guarenteed nearly if you get someone stuck in it.
Enemy has a field of mines? Flamethrower. All those mines are gas? Flamethrower.
Riot shield user? Flamethrower.
Only counter ive met to flamethrower are snipers/bows/experienced spear users other than that its pretty much a stomp most matches.
Smoke counters flamethrowers too
Not saying it's the best heavy wep, but spear is slept on bigtime. The secondary attack spin can be animation cancelled at any time, and the first two hits come out super quickly, giving you the same dmg as a sledge secondary but in a 360° arc with longer reach to boot. Pairing it with charge & slam for mobility, destruction and extra damage has seen me top score countless games and frankly, I'm a pretty trash player.
Until they patch the animation cancel I reckon it beats out the sledge for best heavy melee.
How do you cancel?
@@FirstLevelBossYeah I thought there was no way to cancel?
Sledgehammer easily destroys spear at every situation. And the spear secondary attack is so inconsistent it doesn't do damage most of the time while it should do. And the secondary attack makes you a sitting duck everyone can easily kill you and run away from it and the animation cancel make you stuck for 1 second Wich is huge disadvantage compared to sledgehammer secondary attack Wich is way faster and has destruction ability.
@@user-ne9sd4ow1o I would also like the answer to this question
@FirstLevelBoss bringing up the emote wheel cancels the animation. You can cancel at any time in the animation but if you do so before the final swing you'll be unable to attack for about a second. You can use specializations in this state though, including charge&slam. Or you can circumvent the problem by canceling during the first frame(s) of the 3rd swing animation
Smashing things! Waghhhhhh! I want orc skin for charging smashing!
Affer using wench youre left chasing xb its a funny watch for sure
Flame thrower, charge n slam, pyromine, goo nade, and rpg. Create fire walls, and set traps with pyro an goo 😏
Send em to Hell
please make another video about what specializations pair best with these heavy weapons
@@yaboyparallsl good idea for season 4, with all the changes it could be useful
Hope KS-23 becomes meta. And they give it a little more destruction ability. Heavy meta is kinda boring atm.
ks-23 is pretty skill based too so i'd appreciate this shift
I whana see this for other classes 💯
I did one for medium ARs a while back I'll be doing light eventually, still working on that so dw more in the pipeline!
@@Appoh yippee
Bow is hands down my favorite weapon. That’s why they can’t make it too strong. It would be OP 😂
naww, we need bow buff so all us bow mains can delete lobbies >:D
GOO SLEDGE IS BEST SLEDGE RAAAAA
MGL FOR LIFE BABY‼️🗣️
All I feel is that Heavy has great health and utilities, amazing utilities, but their weapons are ass except the flamethrower
How do you get the red filter on the map mine still looks regular is this a pc effect ?
Man, how is your environment variable colors red? Mine are all yellow. Is it a mod or something?
emerald
Am I the only one that really doesn't get the appeal of the SA1216? Maybe it's a skill issue but I can never seem to have good results with this gun. It feels impossible to out-DPS literally anything.
gotta get in the enemies face, helps if u have a heal beam user with zip and jump pad getting u around the map, if you are playing solo with no help from your teammates id recommend trying the m60 or ks-23 and just setting up a little defense with barricades and stuff, sa12 is the strongest weapon but you have to be hyper aggressive to get use out of it which requires help from your team
Can someone explain what the means with reload canceling with the ks23
Sa12 dedicated video ?
GL is just too much fun
every game with heavys is just sa1216, meta needs a change for heavy its getting stale.
@@wonderfr agreeeed
Gernade launcher
All heavy weapons got nerfed so bad only good one is Sledge Hammar. The rest are garbage
i think winch really brought the sledgehammer to the top for casual scene for sure, wish the lewis or m60 were meta again tbh
Spear have to be the lamest, since Truce and Andrew came with MGL32
Why are your arenas red colored instead of yellow?
Once you enter the emerald rank, the arena changes color.
@@Kevdo92 Oh cool! Thanks!
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The sledgy, just for the reason you can breach walls
dagger is best heavy weapon
Sledge is the best i am emer1 because of it
yeah it's pretty solid right now for sure
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Nerf the RPG for the love of God.
1 single grande damage more than rpg and recharge faster
Play heavy for awhile and tell me rpg needs nerfed
@@greasysteve4707i am fine with anything in the game even stun gun ( i am sledge player) but glitch trap is sooo annoying
@@greasysteve4707 I do, it does.
@@greasysteve4707I main heavy and RPG is a win button lol
Heavy is the worst class and stop recommending this sht to new players, ig that's one of the reason why this game is already dead. Playing heavy sucks and ppl try it out and leave the goddamn game. fk heavy
Incorrect
My friends who were new to the game in S2 enjoyed heavy more than the other classes because of the destruction he gives.
Although I see why heavy can be a bit boring in competitive
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LOOOOOOOL
This guy cant play with heavy
@@Kovacsg729 I'm pretty sure I can play any class way better than any of the kids here for sure.
Why the map is red???? how can I change mine from yellow to red???