K-Pop has an Album Issue.
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- Опубліковано 27 вер 2024
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NOTE: This is a subjective video about albums in kpop and the direction they've been headed for a while now. A lot of what I say is opinionated especially regarding the artists so please respect mine and form your own in the comments below!
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im so glad that ive and nmixx are finally out of single album jail😭 they can finally build an actual discography instead of one-off songs with an extra b-side
@@glowingghost8542it was only 2 days ago, but I’ve announced a full-length album to be released April 10th! I saw people on twitter saying it’s going to have 12 songs, but I don’t know how true that part is, but the official accounts did announce the full length album, and it’s called I’VE IVE I think
@glowing ghost yeah but I think they're making something down there, hopefully a 10+ album give them some time
@glowing ghost aren't they having a comeback in April with an full length album?
@@ahlamsdiary yesss 12 songs
@glowing ghost they are releasing a 12 songs album. The previous title tracks will probably be on it but that still leaves room for 9 new songs...
This is exactly the reason why K-pop doesn't create long term careers for most artists (at least not 4th Gen onwards). They are focused on visuals & fast sales as opposed to creating a musical legacy with albums. I feel most of these recent groups are going to be forgotten in about 6 months of their last activity. It is almost sad that the industry has such enormous talent, but chooses to waste it on creating temporary popularity.
I've been a kpop fan from 2019 so not for long, but I've seen how 4th gen groups that used to be big at that time are literally forgotten now and are mostly made fun of, especially girl groups
@@_arlinda So true. I think it is mostly due to overexposure. They have back to back comeback for singles, do a bunch of promos and tiktoks, rinse and repeat all over. Artists need time to create quality music. But instead, companies just hire a bunch of songwriters to make something that'll top charts for 1 week then disappear. nobody lasts more than 2-3 yrs max. Kinda same with the Western artists too.
@@_arlinda I am a k-pop fan since SNSD and few groups manage to keep going after 7 to 10 years. That groups are the ones that manage to success conaistently and evolve with age.
BigBang, Super Junior, SNSD, 2PM... But most of them after the 10 years mark start to have scarce promotions and keep individual promotions as their main job.
New groups are given their international fanbase in a silver plate because K-Pop in some ways is becoming mainstream. There are more agency stans than before so if you follow Twice then you follow ITZY or NMIXX and so on so of course they debut with huge amounts of fans, not because that fans think they are good but because if they belong to such agency they "should" be as good as my favs.
And then there is this narrative that the agencies are imprinting on the groups, I do not dey there are layers of sincerity in idols but excuseme if I belive some of the "personalities" of the new wave of idols is fake till some point. I understand the need of a persona but one thing is a persona made for the artist with some of his/her personal traits and other thing is when that persona was 100% given by the company.
Finallythere is the fact that there are groups smashing old records whit hordes of teens followers, teens are not dumb but we all used to be a little entitled. This new groups celebrate USA fast promotions as if K-Pop were not mainstream now and America was not consuming K-Pop and celebrate and berate old groups because they are not promoted in USA. Excuse me but Wonder Girls was invited to promote in USA when no one in the west even knew what an idol was. Coachella invites seems huge now when F(x) was the first K-Pop group asked to perform in a summer music festival in USA when UA-cam was not yet mainstream.
This new fans laugh of groups like SuJu when they manage to make small tours in America filling their avenues with 15 years of career on them when some of them can not do the same out of Korea or can not even sing their own songs in a music show encore.
This new groups seems a little to much agresive to me, they blend into each other, their music sounds more or less the same and their fans laugh of groups trying different things for not following trends ir a little older that did not debute with the huge investments their favs have. But it is not only them, it is something you can notice in actual society that wants to shame and cancel whoever that wants or dare to think different to them.
I miss the camaredy of 2nd generation groups among them, I miss the fact that girls and boys could be friends and joke among them without rumours of dating exploding. I want them dating and people supporting them.
I still do not know how much this new groups are going to manage to keep their relevance for the next generation.
@@belaytriks I'm more of a Bts fan than a kpop fan, but I do keep with kpop music if I like the song i listen if I dont I just don't. But yeah as you said if you keep with twice then you keep up with every other group under Jyp or with other companies which is why once a new group is debuting the "old" one Its getting kind forgotten
I don't knkw about 2d get, but 3d gen music is good and 4th gen music is tiktok music.. now we can't blame them because that's what west are doing as well most of the new songs are tiktok music which sucks but it's a trend for now
As for dating i don't know what to say other then I was shocked that people either ship idols with each other or send hate to the people idols are dating..
@@nezukochan86 yes there are a lot of artists whò are just one hit wonders or their career kind of ends once it's been 6+ years.I think labels are more obsessed with trying to make a "hit" rather then focus on trying to build a fandom for their artists because in the end casual fans will always leave and fans will always stay.. which is the reason i think these kpop groups are getting forgotten in spam of 3 years 😩
i actually like mini albums when they're not like 13 minutes long. a good example of this is seventeen's your choice album (yk i always gotta promote svt). even though the album only has 6 songs, none of them are less than 2 and a half minutes long and the songs all fit together well to make a cohesive album.
Bruh i love that album lmao. Every single songs are bops 😌
As a Stray Kids stan, I agree with you about their songs and albums. I’m someone who really enjoys long albums and I love b-sides, but I vividly remember going into half of Stray Kids albums to listen to their b-sides but finding them strangely lacking. There are some really good ones in there, in my opinion, but most of them just feel empty, it’s hard to explain it. Most of the b-sides leading up to the chorus sound like it’s going to be very explosive and epic, but most of them tend to have lackluster choruses with the repetition of the same word or it’s just the instrumental, and they just sound like they were randomly thrown in there. Still love stray kids but I feel like a lot of their music is lacking in some areas.
I think a lot of people dont bother checking out albums. (unless its a group they stan) They’ll listen to the TT and watch the MV and maybe check the main Bside. And as a company it wouldnt make much sense to invest in making a 10-12 song album if i can just turn that 1 comeback into 3 or 4 comebacks where the songs actually get more exposure and allows the group to feel much more present in the industry. (and not lose their popularitys momentum which happens when a group takes too long between comebacks).
Also! i think very few groups are known for actually having great music on their albums that isnt their promoted songs so it could be a cycle of companies not investing in a good full album and fans not checking it out because full length albums dont tend to be that good.
This, exactly! And it's an issue that goes way beyond kpop as well.
Agree but it is a shame. Once I listen something I really like I start to look for full albums but it is a shane when there is only four or five "main" songs.
Blackpink can't relate..Even their bside Forever young,Dkwtd,pretty savage gets more views than Some of Famous groups MV.
Forever young lyric video is 100M+ views😅
Jack in the box concept came together tooo well. Even from his name it made sense. Jhope did soo well
Yes but it took years in the making and J-Hope is a workholic and had been working and experimenting with music and albums creation for years. It helps too he is an amazing performer and musician.
even from his name?
is it cuz both start with J?
@RedLoonatic kind of. What i understood from his interviews is that hope (what's his name) was the only thing left in the Pandora Box, so yeah. The album represents he coming out of the box as hope.
Correct me if i am wrong.
@@belaytriks to be fair, it takes years in the making to make a lot of good full-length albums. that's why most musical artists in the west usually have like 2-3 years between albums. they do take breaks, obviously, but they're also working on their music during that time.
Totally agree, and Beyonce made a similar comment. I am older and grew up with full length albums which I prefer. Sometimes I may not always enjoy all songs, but in time after listening it could change. Music for me has to simmer and resonate not recycle every few months. Music has become drive thru fast food.
i feel like people no longer want to grow to appreciate songs, for some songs you really WONT get it until the 5th listen but once you do, it’s now your favourite song off the album! people judge entire albums upon first listen and i think we’ve forgotten how to REALLY listen to music and appreciate the little things in songs.
@@imani7979 this is a good point
This is a very good take. I’ve noticed too that albums are a rarity these days in Kpop, especially as of late. I swear most of these groups release an “album” or it’s labeled as an album on Spotify but it’s only around 6-8 songs long, which I guess is technically a mini but most of the time it’s said to be a “full length album”. Or half of said album is just full of already released songs on there, like Yugyeom, for example, I was looking through his new album and most of the songs were already released and I was really disappointed. Or the whole deal with Orange Blood with ENHYPEN, it was listed as an album but there’s only 5(?) actual tracks on there, the rest were just an English version and one featuring Bella Porch, and I’ve noticed that that tends to happen a lot as well. My friend was going off about it the other day and she said something “it’s a joke nowadays to have music, imagine being an artist and actually having music”, and i feel like it’s kind of true, especially right now. Anyways, that’s just my ramblings, loved the video and agreed with a lot of points you made.
Someone who hasn’t fallen to this curse is billlie! They debuted a little bit over a year ago and have had 3 main EPS and two special seasonal singles , and they will have another EP on march 28th!
Billlie is just built diff
Omg finally someone who mentions billlie! After gingamingayo, I checked out all their music and I especially loved the chapter two EP, it was so good. I’m definitely looking forward to more music from them, they seem really promising.
The OST versions are also *chefs kiss* perfection
TXT has many bsides that are well loved in the fandom. Fairy of Shampoo, Anti Romantic, Opening Sequence, Dear Sputnik, Lonely Boy, Tinnitus, Eternally, Blue Orangeade, No Rules, 20cm, Ghosting, etc.
Bighit has continually done a great job of putting albums together for the guys. I particularly love their albums focused on narrative (minisode2, Temptation) and concept (minisode1). Ironically those are all mini albums.
i definetly agree!
TXT albums are the gems of kpop. They lack full length albums. We need TXT9
Absolutely agree with you, TXT create a masterpiece no matter the length of the album. combining the parts of each era does make it a full album technically once the other part(s) are released. It is also very cohesive with their storyline and you can see tand listen to heir growth and the stories they have to tell.
BUT as a Moa, I do wish they would release a full length album sometime in their career. Not because it’s absolutely necessary, but I feel like they could really put a lot more into it, I just know they have so many things to say and they want to try a lot of stuff. TXT are also getting more comfortable and confident involving themselves directly by producing and writing, I think a full-length album could really be one of, if not their greatest work.
@@adisajakupovic6184 when you say full length album, what do you mean? Both Dream Chapter: Magic and Chaos Chapter: Fight or Escape are classified as albums.
@@adisajakupovic6184 they have 2 albums though
I agree with this and that is what honestly holding me back from saying I like an artist after a year or longer. Ive and NMIXX have not enough discography for me to decide yet. I think an artist needs around 10 songs to decide if you actually like the artists music style or just one or 2 songs out of their discography.
If you want a good directed album or longer eps I recommend (G)I-DLES I never die which was released in 2022. Also their eps usually have 6 songs which is nowadays huge. They are masters in creating concepts and follow it in their ep/album. They also have so many gem bsides like villain dies, dhalia, change and maze.
"have not enough discography for me to decide yet" This!!!!! thank you for saying that out loud. I've also been struggling to determine whether I stan a group or not, because I'm waiting for 3 consistent comebacks with enough material, but they constantly keep dropping single songs. It's sadly not enough :(
@@soomi for Ive's case it's just a starship does to groups to see if people like them, then after some single albums at debut they start releasing albums, now Ive is gonna drop a full album with 12 songs on april
I think that ever since BTS has stopped doing like their well known trilogy conceptual albums the whole industry also shifted. Because before like during HYYH or the Love Yourself series and even during Map of the Soul these groups pumped albums they did trilogies not like extremely well but they tried to bring things out in a way. But then Covid arrived and BTS decided to take things a little differently and just did a single Dynamite which was literally the most successful song ever and so the industry saw that and they just decided that this is best for now. Idk what will happen in the future but I feel like when BTS comeback all together and release an album album and maybe even start a new trilogy I think that the industry will change as well specifically for groups!
Yep! BTS have an extremely huge influence on the way kpop music moves!
I disagree. "They did trilogies not like extremely well" did you forget "Map of the soul: 7" was 2nd most selling album in 2020 (in the WHOLE WORLD) with 4 Million sales on its first week, before Dynamite was released on the same year? It's a full-length album with 20 tracks in it. It's supposed to be a trilogy album following the Jungian concept of map of the soul but they combined "Shadow" and "Ego" concept in one album for their 7th anniversary and called it "Map of the soul: 7". Did Kpop groups/labels pick up on this psychological concept of human development or made a full legnth album this long? No.
After the single Dynamite, BTS released their third studio album "BE". It has 7 tracks excluding a skit. The album was not really in their plan to do that year but did so out of the frustrating pandemic situation and it's lead single "Life goes on" debuted at no.1 at BB hot 100, the first Korean song to reach the top. DId the Kpop industry pick up on this achievement and made their own sentimental song/album about the pandemic?
After BE, BTS released two songs made to cheer up ARMY : "Permission to dance" and "Butter" both are singles, NOT AN ALBUM, that reach BB hot 100 no. 1. Butter being performed at the Grammys, the first Korean group to perform at the Grammys!
It's important to note that in within the timeframe in which these three succesful English songs were released, BTS released Korean and Japanese albums that has over 10 songs which no one from Kpop (except ARMY) have cared about and Kpoppers mock BTS for being "westernized" due these 3 English songs and blame them for the degression of music quality in Kpop (lol) or even in what you're trying to say "influenced" the whole industry on how many songs they put out in an album which I think, if the whole Kpop industry were really REALLY influenced by BTS's musical moves, they would have released MORE music because that's what BTS is doing constantly even now in their solo careers. Last year, BTS released their anthology album "PROOF" a very long album. Were the the kpop labels influenced to do the same? NO.
If anything, I guess the whole Kpop industry was influenced by YG's moves towards releasing few songs in an album, starving the fans for the next comeback and they got away with it because they were able to make BP the most popular GG with just 30+ songs in their whole idol career. And I think most gg in the 4th gen follows the footsteps of Blackpink and bg would want to follow the path of BTS but they could barely keep up with the constant release of songs from BTS members.
Sorry for the long reply.
I personally, won't mind if it took 3-4 years for a group to release an album. Infact, i'm a fan of mini albums rather than a full ones. Some of artists' full albums that i found it skippable, some of them are worth to listen to each and every track. Because, releasing a full album almost felt like a double edged swords.
I agree with that, the problem is that even mini albums are disappearing. Now you only see singles with an extra song
As a stan who's been in the community since 2015. Thanks for talking about this cause especially on twitter, theses kind of opinions are just classed as "4th gen hate". But it's simply the truth, there's no single group who need 3-4 music videos per album when said album only has 4 tracks.
In general I agree but isn’t it better to have a mini with 4 great songs than an 8 song album with one good TT and the rest mid songs?
le ssera just announced at fearnada (their fanmeeting) that their cb in may would be a full album !!
To be completely and brutally honest here, BTS and its members individually are the only artists in kpop who care about the song sequencing, album length cohesive lyrics, consistency of theme in an album, new and different genres of sound and Music Videos that are in line with the concept of the songs and album. J-hope's Jack in the box was the most consistent album of 2022 sound wise. RM had a consistent theme of art and its effects on people's with his lyrics on Indigo. SUGA has given 2 coherent rap albums with actually good rap. And we all know how BTS as a group is very notorious on their albums, always having good storytelling and a consistent sound throughout the LP or EP. They have only released one 'single album' in their 10 years of career. That's how I know they're here only for the arts. It's their artistry that takes them to the charts.
you SPILLED
absolutely, they’re not only involved but basically in charge of their work, especially with their solo releases you can just see that music is what’s always gonna come first for them. jack in the box & indigo were so refreshing sound wise & lyrically impressive, I’m excited to see what direction the rest of the members go
BTS and its constituent solo members are definitely the most prominent artists to do so, but it's hardly fair to say they are the only artists in kpop who care to carefully and comprehensively create their albums. There are lots of soloists with cohesive, well-executed albums (even if only minis). And though my knowledge of all kpop groups and their discographies is by no means encyclopedic, I can think of about 4 groups with good, cohesive albums/minis off the top of my head.
I know BTS is the most successful group in the Kpop arena, and that reflects well on their skill and love for the craft, but I also appreciate the care and effort of others.
@Maria 49 tell me those 4 artists and their best album, and I'll check it out and get back to you. Let's have a discussion
@@deepshah5332 i’m not the person that commented but i can definitely recommend for you to check shinee and their solo stuff out, specially jonghyun’s.
Lol your take on Skz and albums is vastly different from mine. I legit love their recent stuff. And 3Racha is one of my favorites of their discography. Something about it is just a VIBE for me.
We've got a difference of opinion and that's fine.
Another issue with smaller track lists is potential concerts... in that they won't have a large enough discography to warrant a having them. THAT hurts artists if they can't perform live. Unless you're an except to the rule like Blackpink who can get away with touring with 15 songs, that's money those idols aren't getting. Keep in mind, concerts make a bunch of money, not just in ticket sells but in merch, and idols need to be doing more of those... not only to interact with the fans but to get a proper payday that wouldn't be getting in other avenues. So yeah, lack of songs hurts streaming, it hurts albums sells, and it hinders concert opportunities. Short EPs only satisfy the immediate... the now, but it doesn't look out for the long term.
I just wanna share this:
There's this Filipino podcast that I listened to, and the two hosts and the guest (a famous Filipino musician) talks about his experiences before in making an album. He said that nowadays, a lot of artists (in general) release single albums, but it was a lot of fun making a full album. He compares it to a theater play/production, wherein each act/part must have cohesion. Songs should be continuous, or else, the concept of the album will be all over the place, which is why it's fun, cause it's like telling stories.
In relation to this video, I 100% believe what he said. Yes it's understood, especially for rookies to release singles, since releasing a whole album is too costly as a rookie. However, for the more famous artists, it's kinda sad that they still choose to release single after single, when their companies have the means to produce an entire album. That's why I really liked BTS' HYYH, EXO's Winter albums, Exodus, XOXO, and many other full length albums that tell stories and give concepts. Also, there's a lot of "easter eggs" in albums compared to just singles. Having concepts, although better, is not the main point imo. I just wish that companies would not be lazy and put out 10, 12, even 5 or 7-track albums, cause I feel like this is like becoming a "fast-fashion" in the K-pop music industry 😕😕
i’m a stay and i’m glad to hear more people also felt the same about maxident!! personally, i do like songs individually, chill, give me your tmi and taste are my favourite bsides here. but when put together the track list just feels so disjointed with no clear narrative or sound going on. oddinary was much more put together but still left me missing something.
it’s strange bcs they can and have made cohesive bodies of work, their clé trilogy eps back in 2019 are a stand out in my opinion. they are a great bodies of work by themselves as well as fitting into the wider narrative
also, i feel like having full length albums helps the albums concept to fully reach it’s potential. or even try putting a song that’s outside of the albums concept. like weekend in INVU.
The most interesting thing while listening to an artist is the artistic growth thay have! And just as you said, it's something that could be achived only by making enough music to put out a full-length album every comback, or atleast every year. I want artists to experiment different types of genres, and as they keep making albums, they will find their own uniqe voice in the industry. K-pop nowdays making music for the sole of making new trends, only some of them making music for the sole of making music, making art.
Seventeen is the best. So many b-sides/deep cuts, so many years of self-written-and-produced music. 'Face the Sun' had a clear, realized concept, and (with Sector 17) we got 13 songs (plus all the random solos and covers the members did throughout the year and the Japanese release, Dream.). Can't wait to see what they come back with in April.
Mini albums are part of the reason it's so hard for us younger kpop fans to convince our parents to let us buy albums. My parents have always been all for CDs and keeping that "old" music culture alive, but when they see that the CD I want has FIVE SONGS on it, they wonder why the heck I would pay so much money for a five-song CD. Obviously, the albums come with photobooks, photocards, and tons of other extras that I love and enjoy, but I do have laptops with CD players at home and I like to listen to my kpop CDs, so I think longer albums would help lots of younger fans with stricter parents have more access to physical albums because the albums would be more easily accepted by older generations.
I have been increasingly worried with the rise of EP and single releases. I am going to bring another reason. I feel that we can't justify purchasing phydical albums for 2-4 songs. It's great that you're getting photocards and more. However, I just do not see why I should pay for so little. Back in the days, we were getting 8 to 15 songs. In the west, it would not fly releasing physical albums with only 2-4 songs. And, I also feel that it's one of the reasons (albeit smaller) why K-Pop acts will have a hard time getting a footing in the west. You need a decently length discography to showcase.
Mostly I listen to NCT, Shinee, Exo, Red velvet, and SNSD since they have long discography. Also, I like the discography of billlie.
I sometimes prefer mini albums rather than full albums. More songs just seems like more space for error, so I'd rather that kpop artists release minis than albums if the albums are filled with half-baked songs in favor to pad up the run length. That being said, some minis suffer from the same problem with filler tracks so it's really an issue of companies not caring to produce and sell higher quality music in high qualities (which isn't easy obvi) in favor of releasing quicker, less high-quality releases which we as kpop fans a lot of the times eat up until the next release.
At first, I wasn't sure if I completely agreed with you, but once you brought up the point of how a lack of albums kills an artist's longevity, I began to understand your point. I am a hardcore MOA, TXT is my ult but recently, I've began to notice that I'm listening to them less. At first, I though it was a personal thing, like "oh, maybe I'm just not into them like I used to be", but after hearing your point, I think that's part of the issue. The Dream Chapter: Magic is one of my favourite albums of all time, I was listening to it for months afterwards with phases of falling in love with each and every song. For their latest two mini-albums, which were unfortunately the only music they dropped during their respective years due to touring, there were five songs on each, with their lastest having very short, less than three minute songs, often repeating the chorus and lacking a bridge. I probably listened to Temptation for a month before moving onto something else. I still love them so much, but I can tell that there's been a choice to make easy, quick catchy music that will trend on tiktok which has the consequence of growing stale quickly. It's disheartening to say the least.
I've noticed this too and even smaller groups like 9muses, dia, and other 3rd-2nd gen groups were always making mini and full album's showcasing their talent, versatility, and cohesiveness at once.
and even the mini's wstill had 6-7 songs compared to nowadays mini's only consist for 4 songs or they'll make a group release a random single with a terrible bside
To me, b-sides and non-title tracks were where idols could have more creative control and express themselves more, since title tracks usually have to be constructed to appeal to as many people as possible. Seeing them being taken away feels like idols are getting even less control and aren't being allowed to express themselves musically. It's honestly sad how Kpop idols are going from music artists to influencers.
You just get bored easily and it is harder to create a connection through the music this way. I may forget about NewJean's songs when I get sick of it, but with BTS and songs like Whalien 52, I'm always going to get back to them because of how much their music mean to me
so glad to stan billlie who literally debuted with experimental title track AND SIX SONGS OVERALL
Well careful what you ask because it seems like this year is gonna be the battle of the full albums, IVE, Aespa, Le Sserafim are just 3 of the groups that we know will release full albums in the next 2 months. However, I think IVE will probably also include the previous 3 title tracks on it so... yeah, but still, as long as we get 6-9 new songs, we good. I think LeSse and Aespa will have only new songs because Aespa already did that with their previous comeback and LeSse never released just single albums.
Same thing happened last year too, I would rather there be a full year of albums than this past year.
Honestly this is not just a kpop problem cause even some pop artists are making song for tiktok now
I really relate to that feeling of wanting more from an album, artists . And thanks for pointing out about maxident . I too was sensing the unnatural flow in that . I mean life is missing in that album. I just felt bored or just forget I was listening to it . I also agree about Le Sserafim's album. It's not enough , it just felt incomplete . Even though I like them , it's making me unsatisfied as a fan because I bought those albums with a certain amount of cash ok . The abundance of emotions and flow when you listening to an album is lacking . I guess that's what you get when the artists are not good enough to produce good sounds , it's not enough just knowing how to write a song, that's just a basic skill for a musician, you have to be good at it. You have to have a distinct identity for that . For that , we have to wait a little longer I guess. Until then , they won't be my go-to albums .
And I have to say this , most of BTS's outro are * chef kiss
IVE are coming back on the 10th April with a FULL album with TWELVE, I REPEAT 12 songs!!! YAY we cheered !!
12?? 😱 so excited!
im scared its gonna have all their previous songs on it and like 3 new songs🙁
JUST IMAGINE ALL THE TIME THEY SLAYED AND WE ARE GONNA GET 12 NEW STUFF I HOPE IT WOULD BE AS GOOD AS THEIR OTHER SONGS
I hope it’s 12 new songs and not remixes of older songs
@@sofietheworld even if it does they only got 6 songs, so that's at least 6 new songs
Blackpink-fication of kpop albums is worstthing to happen in kpop
Blackpink this blackpink that..western artist gives U full album in 2-3 yrs and they will disappear and come back for collab..
Atleast Blackpink all the 30+tracks are worth it and their Bsides are better than some of TT of other groups like pretty savage,dkwtd,forever young.unlike other Groups whose Only TT gets popular.
Twice has 180+ original songs but Monthly listeners??
Y'all always Dragged BP for not having many Awards let's be honest Do they make music for awards or pple to listen.
Listeners are most important not Payola Rigged awards..
I understood why Dreamcatcher, for instance, waited so long to have a full length album. They needed to get money and an audience before putting one out. But for groups from big companies who don’t have those problems it doesn’t make sense not to do at least 1 full length album every so often.
I do agree with the other commentor that not many people check out b-sides so it could feel like a waste. But ultimately that could also hinder them. I just really hope we don’t get another Blackpink type (not the girls but the group in general) group for awhile or ever again. I love these girls and I do like their music. But the amount of songs and the way they were promoted and the breaks in between made me really disinterested. Everyone wanted full length albums from them and it was like pulling teeth to even get a comeback. I just hope we don’t get that again from other groups.
I hope more groups start releasing albums again. But that doesn’t seem to be where to wind is blowing.
I agree w this sm. there’s certain groups I feel like that have a cohesive sound like ateez, skz, and idle. I’ll use atz bc they’re my ults and ik the most about them. but they have 2 (I think) full length albums and they’re constantly doing different sounds and experimenting with genres. when you listen to their music its like you can tell what era the song is from. like their most recent world ep 1 movement album is so well made. all of the songs have the same feel that guerrilla did and flow so well together and it doesn’t feel rushed.
The main issue with albums getting shorter is that it makes casual listeners out weight the actual fans and maybe groups like Ive and NewJeans are doing verygood for now but as most of their listeners are non fans it can hurt the groups longevity bcuz if they don't have comebacks enough general public will move on to another group and after that the lack of a solid fanbase will hurt the group hard and force them to disband...
(sorry for awfull writting and grammar I'm not fluent)
But both groups have comebacks 4 months apart from each one, IVE is also releasing a full 12 song album on April 10th, it will probably have the 3 previous title tracks on it but it will still have 9 new songs my guess. It’s really not as bad as people make it seem. These groups are new, some are not even 1 year old and they have regular comebacks.
@@2FullMoons well... I was talking about RIGHT NOW and how the lack of proper b-side can hurt them in a long run and it's as serious as its look like but if they are gonna come back with a proper album good for them I might even bocome a fan
i hate to say this but some of the more recent releases from 3rd and 4th gen groups (once again i wanna emphasize that i said SOME) give me the same feeling that abcdefu song gave me. like nothing about them is good, they use a sample from another song but don't give credit nor do they use it in a fun and interesting way (eg: Pink Venom using 3 different songs but making nothing original or fun), and they're all 2.5 minutes or shorter. it's been said time and time again but wtf happened to songs that have 2 verses, 3 choruses, and a bridge? what genuinely made people enjoy those songs more? it's can't be because it's the more successful format because people like Taylor Swift, BTS, and others who make generally longer songs still rule the charts over these groups that are trying to just get more streams by making the song shorter (and effectively lower quality IMO). it's disappointing to see how much k-pop has changed over recent years in order to fit in with the new age of social media when in reality... you can't just make a song go viral by making it easy to sing along to/repetitive. just look at fifty fifty and Cupid, i bet they weren't aiming for a viral song when they released it yet it's probably the most popular and viral song to come out of k-pop in the past few months. also if these companies think i'm actually gonna spend anything over $10 for 4 mid songs and a PC, they're so wrong.
As much as I agree with you, there's also the problem that audiences just skim through full length albums, place the songs that immediately grab their attention on playlists and ignore the rest. Companies are seeing this behavior and probably thinking "why the hell should we waste our money if only a small percentage of people are going to listen to all the songs?"
For sure, I mean there are points to be had for both sides. I get why companies wouldn't want to, but I feel like more music is better than less, even if the more music isn't as great.
Most fans will listen to the whole album, while casual listeners will skim through. And having more songs to get an idea of a group’s sound is more likely to make more people fans.
Thats because the majority of kpop albums hace tons of filler ballads or badly produced mediocre pop songs that have 0 replayability. If you want people to actually replay the songs on the albums you have to make an effort, people still to this day listen to pink tape and Max & match.
That’s why I love bts as a group and as solo artists
I also wanted to mention the prices for the physical albums. I don’t understand why these physical albums are like from $20-$50 for a 4-7 song Ep or mini album like I’d rather buy an album for like $15 bucks with more than 10 songs at least I’d want to get my moneys worth.
You’re paying primarily for the photo book and the packaging. A $10-$15 dollar CD comes in a cheap plastic case and a tiny slip of paper with writing and production credits in it, and maybe lyrics if you’re lucky. Meanwhile a $20-$50 kpop cd comes with a massive photo book, artfully designed lyric pages, and beautiful, unique packaging. You’re paying for the aesthetic essentially. Honestly, I absolutely hate that recent album releases have come in a jewel case version.
I understand your disappointment with the industry not releasing full bodies of work that have cohesive themes, but K-Pop has always been like this. Its not actually a new thing. K-Pop has never been built around the album rollout system that you see in the Western music system. SISTAR only has 2 full length albums, so does 2NE1. WG has 3. RV has 2. Its an exception to have full length albums only really reserved for groups/soloists with a very profitable turnover. It costs a lot of money to produce a full-length album and companies are not interested in that. The vast majority of groups are lucky to even get ONE full length album. If they're not making the money, its simply not happening.
Companies are interested in quick turnover: single albums and EPs are low risk and high reward. Not sure what you're saying about the 2nd generation having lots of albums because they simply did not. Most of them only ever had 1 - 3 albums. SNSD are an exception as they're still somewhat active after fifteen years and sold as many physical albums - if not more - than boy groups. Which meant that investing in the production of those albums was worth it. In a sense, full length albums are indicative of how successful a group is -- particularly how powerful their fandom is. Because the general public rarely buys physical albums. The more successful a group the higher chance that they'll have a full length album. In rare cases it depends on the vision of the group's creative director, for example f(x) has four full length albums despite their short career and inconsistent fandom.
As a SONE, I have to admit that most of their albums were garbage. Random crap that wasn't even cohesive save for a few good songs.
Only the Wonder Girls, BEG, SHINee, and IU are famous for releasing full, thematic, bodies of work from second generation. You need to do more research.
I like what you said about finding a deep cut. It’s my favourite thing about listening to a full album.
Instant gratification has trapped us all. Companies want the max results with minimum effort. The next big hit is more important than the long term career. Groups get viral fame but cultivate only bandwagon stans. And as soon as the song starts to stale they gotta throw out the next hit before everyone moves on. I am so tired of hearing a group has a new release, going to Spotify to check the album out, and only finding two or three songs. And note this is all a problem with big companies and larger mid sized companies. Smaller companies I am not gonna fault them for struggling to release music, they don’t all have the resources to hire the producers or even the studio time for full albums. For those groups, every day they avoid disbandment is a win.
honestly, im scared for ive's album, like, what if they do a "full album" like somi did, like, with all their singles and 2 or 3 new songs😭😭😭
(no hate to somi, but is the first example that came to my mind-)
I agree with this. I definitely agree with you on this.
I 100% agree with you, is also a problem when you want to stan a new group, some people will tell you that they love x group music and they have like FIVE SONGS, what music? 5 songs it's not enough, bc imagine if they have 5 songs and I only like 3... that's even worse, how can I support a group when I only like 3 of their songs? I know myself, and when I comes to music I'm very serious, I'm not going to eat everything my fav put out. I'm going to support them? yes, but I'm not going to listen to a song that I don't like, that is not me. Another thing that I notice is why these kind of albums are so expensive when they have less than 8 tracks? I'm sorry but am not a millionaire, I have bills to pay, if I'm going to pay for something, make it worth.
Just like you said I love long albums, you have so many options, everything is new and since is long you don't get bored easily, I love when an artist has something to say and is reflected in his music, it makes me feel that my time is valued but with 4th groups is like their companys don't care about the listeners, they only care about money, and i get it, is an industry but you are making music, you are selling me an artist... I don't care if you are pretty or if your fashion i'ts good, I listen to music not faces. My priority is music, that's the point. This industry has brainwashed a lot of people... And i'm not one of those, the same example is with concepts, I feel they just search for something new, they try to make it look like they have something important and then they throw it away like it's nothing, If your concept is about being in love, tell me a story, say something that has meaning, or at least that it makes sense.
I love Jack in the box, it was also my fav album, J-hope did an amazing job making that album. It's been on repeat since it came out, what are you thoughts on indigo from rm? I'm very curious, another album that I really like was pentagon's invite u, that project was so good. It's a shame that my boys are under that shitty company, cube I swear, give my boys some respect. Love the video, I really like it, we need to pay attention to this topics, it matters. If we as listeners don't care about it, then who is going to? company's don't care and it shows.
As a Midzy I agree that it was sad Cheshire was so short (although they had JUST had a Japanese comeback as well so it wasn't as if I felt starved) however I appreciate the fact that apart from that Itzy mini-albums will be 6-7 songs long with no 1minute intro songs and their Album was 10 songs (not including the 6 extra instrumental tracks).
I listen to a lot of other groups albums and so often when they have more songs it feels like less thought has been put into each one and for me a lot are "filler" songs. (Then again, INVU was immaculate)
I would rather see shorter albums with amazing songs than a long album with bad songs.
Right? I just made that point in another thread. In general I do agree that full albums are better. But just being a full album doesn’t automatically make it better. I’d that makes sense😂
listen FOL from twice all songs are bangers
@@richelabucay4184 Yea almost all of Twice is
I guess it’s more so how can you solidify yourself as an artist with only 6 songs? But I see what you’re saying
i think that's what he meant when he reviewed Stray Kids album which was a full album yet not cohesive (according to him ofc)
another trend i've noticed is that the songs are getting noticeably shorter, and i hate that. i'm not saying every song they released needs to be like 10 minute long classic rock song from the 70s with a 6 minute long guitar solo, but why is everything like 2 and a half minutes now??? what about 3 minute long songs?? 4 minute long songs??? and of course i know it's so that they get more streams bc shorter song = can be streamed more times in a given amount of time. but like. what a terrible capitalistic way to make music. and i already know the industry is like that but won't someone please think of the art.
Le sserafim full album in may!! So excited
I blame YG and specifically blackpink (not the girls themselves, just YG's management of them) for this trend of shorter albums and less music overall. Once companies saw how they could make easy money by employing the "blackpink method" of starving fans for content and then releasing maybe a couple songs before disappearing again for who knows how long, 4th gen k-pop groups were goners. Why put in actual time and effort when it's been proven to be more profitable to milk consumers of everything they have for the bare minimum in quantity (and occasionally even quality)
Honestly, the "Single, Single, Single" strategy feels slimier from bigger companies/groups. When smaller companies do it, it makes sense because if it doesn't work out - "hey, at least we didn't lose that much." I'm 90% sure that's why Dreamcatcher had two singles before transitioning to EPs.
But for nmixx???? JYP saw the hype that people had for them (people were really pre-ordering BEFORE THERE WAS ANY CONTENT). and for IVE???? STARSHIP YOU HAVE THE CURRENT IT GIRL. Like they really saw Blinks go rabid with every release after getting starved by YG like trainees and said "actually, that is very profitable lmao let's try that." Are they really being so money hungry that they'll go for techniques like this?
I love me a good full album ❤
Mini albums are sometimes disappointing to me especially when there’s absolute bangers but there’s like 5 songs total including the title track 💔😀
My opinion: I hate when they put intros and outros in mini albums😭😭 they feel like fillers and I don’t like it. I feel robbed of good music because it’s usually just members talking dramatically with even more dramatic instrumental in the background
Don’t even get me started on repackaged albums 😟
I hate SM so much because of their dumb repackages
I agree on intros/outros! I never listen to them! If an album has them, even if it’s my fav group, I don’t download them. Complete skip.
I also like full albums more then these mini ones.
But that is because I listen to an album till I can hear it anymore.
I think some of my favourite bands have full albums that go nearly an hour and I think I listen to them a month straight (in the car, cleaning, getting ready,etc.) And with this lenght if you are not fully concentrated it does not feel repetitive. And with kpop albums it is not the same.
I like stray kids, but I have to admit that I started mixing their albums on spotify together, because it gets boring fast.
You really hit that point on people quickly moving to another artist's discography once they've exhaused an artist's short list of song to offer. It does get old easily listening to the same songs over and over, no matter how good they are. I also feel like the music itself isn't really hitting it anymore for me, whether they come from a full album or a single; it just feels more like they're optimizing any new releases for the sales and views. I know music is subjective to people's tastes but it's just weird that I've been liking less and less KPOP releases than before (or maybe because it's been 10 years for me and I'm finally getting sick of it???).
Anyways I didn't realize the way I consumed music for the past year or two until I watched this video. Right now I'm finding myself jumping over not only different artists, but also a completely different music industry altogether. It's not the most famous thing in the world, but you can tell that they put a lot of love and care into their music, and they usually bring out full albums!!
I still find myself staying in KPOP though, for the few groups that do release consistent bangers and albums that are obviously made out of love and passion. But yeah, this album problem saddens me and it may cause me to leave KPOP entirely, cancelling the opportunity to discover potentially promising rookies, just because the overall system is like screwing everyone's music over or sumn.
Strongly agree with this video. The only 4th gen group who's albums I've really wanted to buy is OnlyOneOf's. Up until their most recent comeback, they've kept a very cohesive theme in their releases. Especially Instinct pt 1 and pt 2.
this is so true and i have been realizing that myself. Before i used to stan like 2 main groups and most of the time listen to them more than anything but now i cant even say i stan a group bc my playlist is full of one or two songs from 20 groups and this not only makes me not want to get that invested to the groups but also i dont even feel like buying their albums bc i dont feel attached enough. Having to wait almost a year for a 4 songs track album is not worth it to even become a fan of. I went from a hardcore kpop fan to a casual fan bc of the state that kpop is rn.
My favorite album from last year was I Never Die, Not onky did it have a great title track but all the besides had a vision and fit the albums concept of rock. You had songs like never stop me, my bag and liar which were more upbeat and in between you had already or Polaroid. Also their second album of the year I Love. From the last to the first song it tells a story of starting to love yourself instead of needing love from others. That’s what I love about idle, they choose a concept for a comeback and run with it in every way, the songs, the mv, the styling, it just feels very authentic
Didn’t blackpink’s “full length” albums have like 8 or so songs? It’s definitely a problem for rookie groups too (I just don’t think 8 songs should be considered a full album)
Single: 1-3 songs
Mini/EP: 4-7 songs
Full/LP: 8-13 songs (approx. depends on length of songs).
This is based off sizes of vinyl records and how many songs could fit on each size, and is still the standard used in music today.
It’s insane. These idols/producers/companies ALL have the SAME 24 hours in the day, yet some groups/soloists release full albums and other groups take 2 year long hiatuses and release a single. I want to blame YG/The Black Label for how they have mismanaged BP and I think they have set a low standard due to how little music they have since debut. Itzy and Twice are waayyyy ahead of BP in terms of albums released so why can’t everyone else do it too? It’s sad for the fans when idols become models and then the music becomes an afterthought.
I think it's a lot simpler that all the reasons you got into. It boils down to money. This is the key thing: the price charged for a mini-album, EP, or full album is pretty much the same. This is because the fanbase will buy mostly anything the group puts out. Since the general public moved to streaming, they no longer buy albums. The money earned from streaming is peanuts and is not enough to justify the expenses of a group. The only thing other than live performances that can earn decent money for a group/company is selling physical music releases and those sales are primarily to their fanbase (since general public does not buy albums). So why would a company spend the time and money to produce more songs for a full album when the mini-album will sell the approximate same number (~fanbase size) at the same general price. By not producing full albums, the company can comeback more often and earn more money. The only way to change this is to increase the size of non-fans that buy physical albums, which is not really going to happen. While this has a number of artistic downsides that you point out in the video, the companies are merely optimizing for the realities of today's market.
this is something that is really upsetting to see in kpop these days, groups used to put out ALBUMS like 10-13 track albums that gave the listener a clear idea on who the group is that's being introduced to us, feel like tiktok is to blame here
I think market for GGs after 2022 is really tough, all companies or groups are nervous about is retaining initial fans and adding more afterwards slowly,so initially bangers tts even if singles are done to keep the listener hooked(case in point IVE banger tts and has people hooked for months until they find enough album sell threshold to put out a bigger album which they reached as after like sold over 1.5million).
Le Sserafim has more songs and I think it's also because they have direct support from Bang PD and I don't money matters, and they also broke the million threshold on first comeback itself.
I talked about these two cause I follow them and I have no complaints from IVE, let their company take slow, Wonyoung just bought them the money printer so now they will upgrade IVE more both musically and content wise.
I will keep my patience with other 4th gen too cause I can feel their desperation to hold on audience in fierce competition.
I thought the same when I saw most of last year releases, with many single albums from new groups, and older ones. Like, how can you know if you like a group or not if they have only 2-4 songs to listen to?
Also, another problem, but I think it applies only to small compagnies, is that they obviously have to pay for musics, and music are expensive. So, a small company (not all of them of course) is more likely to release only single albums until the group get a bit of recognition. It happened to a group I liked, BugAboo, which only lasted one year and had only 4 songs...
In my opinion, the only company who has shown time and time again that they aren’t lazy when it comes to the music side of things is SM, they’ve always prioritised the music and album making process and all of their artists have been given extended plays or full studio length albums that display their group colour and identity as well as talent. Aespa probably the least so but I understand this has been due to some management issues and now that SM 3.0 has been implemented, SM is aiming to output 40 albums this year. No other company is putting this much time, money, energy, resources into their artists. NCT especially have out put over 100 songs in the past year. That’s insane compared to other very established groups from very established highly profitable companies (looking at you Hybe, JYP, YG) who are dropping mini album after mini album. It’s getting lazy, and I would love to see more artists with deeper cuts like you mentioned. Deep cuts don’t exist in the 4th generation, sad really.
Yup it's true they even include solo music in albums just to complete a mini album
Finally somebody is talking about it.
I hate how the albums are all different sizes. Only the Kpop albums never fit in my shelves so I have to put the CDs in a regular jewel case and store the large boxes away; mini-albums as far as the eye can see, 4+ versions of albums (i.e. digipack version, photo book version, big box version, cassette version), albums never being restocked (looking at you SM ENT), people buying multiples of albums just to resell the photo cards for a profit, the "comeback" mentality.
Albums being 10 tracks long but only being 30 minutes in length. The albums are all about the photos they come. The music is more of an afterthought at this point. Only the groups that made it out of the 2010's and didn't disband have been putting out full length albums and because of all the new groups they put one out maybe once every two years now.
These artists are hard to get into because there is no good variety, no ballads anymore.
None of these new groups are memorable because they aren't in the public eye for long and there are just too many to keep up with. And you can't focus on a new group you like for the fact that they aren't putting anything out.
This issue with lack of albums in kpop+songs length getting shorter thanks to tiktok= pure disappointment
Yes like look at stayc they have been a group for almost 3 years and their last comeback was literally a single album. Like at this point why are they not getting a proper full album.
People here clearly are not in the kpop scene long enough. Their senior group sistar literally had the same release strategy as them, having 3 singles as comebacks before releasing a full album. It's not a new thing people!!!!!
Yeah, single albums were very common during the second gen from what I know, I got recently into second gen girl groups and I’ve seen that quite a bit.
they were a GP only group. we're talking about groups with big core fandoms. be serious.
Sistar is quite literally the only group I've seen mentioned with this same strategy, and they are coincidentally from starship, if you guys bring up different groups, than maybe we can have a convo.
@@Taejiu Red velvet only had singles until 3rd comeback. F(x) had their first mini the year after debut. Dreamcatcher only juggle singles and EPs until Dystopia series. 4minute also juggled single and EPs for 2 years after their debut and Girls' Day for 3 years. Mamamoo and Gfriend only had EPs until 2016.
@@Taejiu and your most loved Blackpink is another story entirely
What a great video! One of my biggest gripes with k-pop albums is the layout. The layout of an album should tell some sort of story, or take you through different emotions in a planned way and I think can raise an album from good to great. But most k-pop albums don't do that, and it just shows the lack of effort and passion going into the full length albums. And yeah full length albums tend to have not fillers but that just shows the lack of passion again. If these companies wanted their artists to last and leave an impression they would create fully fledged studio albums for them but they care more about money and getting attention at the moment.
I think we can call this the "YG, BLACKPINK" effect. If you look at YG groups they have less songs than the groups they debuted in the same year with, and this has extended to other companies cze they saw how much hype they can get while cutting down on costs.
But Blackpink even bside are very hit.
Imagine getting 100m + views just for lyric video of bside (forever young).
Even their unreleased song Ready for love got 50M views 😂
I am fine with cohesive mini albums of 5 to 6 songs a little more close in time that at the end give you a full album by year than a bunch of single releases each 2 or 3 months. And a full cohesive and carefull made album each 2 or 3 years like American artist. I feel too that there is not the need of one narrative across the album as long as the music is good and mantain some kind of cohesive tread (it can be the sound, the theme of the music, the feeling it evoques or the structure of the music, even if it is an experimentation music style as long as it is consistent on that I am fine).
Actually I think Viviz in a little more of one year has almost the same amount of music or half of BlackPink with 6 years in the industry.
I am a stay and the Maxident opinion is so true. This video is well put together, thanks for the effort.
Pd: your narrative so good too.
I think tripleS has one of the most interesting and distinct sounds from 4th gen. I really recommend them. Their new EP Assemble has 7 tracks which is great.
If anyone is looking for a long and exquisite discography to explore I would highly recommend the music of Monsta X! Just my playlist of favorites by them has over 100 songs. What did you call them…deep cuts? There are deep cuts galore to discover! Start with their most recent album and work you way back! 🤩
The only girl group I've seen consistently putting out full length albums is Dreamcatcher
Great points AND it's becoming even more frustrating when songs are only 2:40 mins long or so on an already short album. Like it's so uninspiring and feels like the song is just made for tiktok like you mentioned. No bridge, outro or intro, like just chorus and vibes. I don't see this changing either because the people who care about this are in the minority. Most fans are happy with the shallow experience of hit songs without artistic substance imo.
Lesserafim just announced a full album today!
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4th gen are speedrunning their careers, I swear they comeback a lot with one maybe two songs and then if they're lucky release a full album. and by full album I'm being very generous, they will add previous already releasesd songs add a few more and call it a day.
One of the 4th gen groups that is able to make good albums is Gidle in my opinion. Even though they only have 1 full lenght album, all of their releases are really cohesive and a fun listen. Some songs are maybe not for everyone but the songs definitely fit the album theme. The fact that 3/5 current members are able to write/produce songs and have a say in the concept is a major factor in that as well. Most of these 4th gen groups have the company produce the full thing and don't really get to say a thing about the heading of the album/concept which is a shame.
I have about 4 core points to contribute towards this debate.
1. Self Producing idol groups inherently solve this problem. I for one like you dibble and dabble in stray kids' music and whether you like the group/music or not, you have to respect their craft in producing their own stuff ESPECIALLY in this kind of industry. The same can be said for G-(IDLE) who had two back to back hits in the space of what? 5 months? with a clear narrative direction for both even if not the most extensive. The reason this point will most likely not work leads on to point 2.
2. Idols are getting younger. There is only so much skills idols can develop by the time they debut and for them to be able to dance AND sing leaves little room for producing. That being said, groups like TNX have members like Hui contribute towards some producing and writing, but 1, rappers write anyway, and 2, because he is still young, giving him control over a whole project like that doesn't even make sense business wise until trust is established. Which brings me onto point 3.
3. Solo Artists are going to push K-POP forward. With older third gen groups disbanding, they are left with a few options, disappear from the public eye, venture into acting/other forms of media or continue solo. I am not an ARMY but BTS being the front runners of K-POP now and handling solo projects gives room for K-POP to appeal to the west as they are no longer viewed as idols, but as artists, the same as the west. This gives them more creative freedom to carry out projects. The same can be seen with people like Hwasa and her solo project 'Maria' which included two chart toppers, features (which solo artists benefit from) and a strong narrative direction. As more 3-rd gen groups continue and soon SOME 4-th gen, we are likely to see many more solo artists and projects, and whilst Seventeen isnt going to disband for another 5 years I feel they will lead this as their last few albums have been extensive, with a lot of the members having solo work already.
4. My final point, 4-th gen promotes influencers more than artists. Now this discussion has been heard many times recently, but without a discography to back up your career, who am i even supporting. 4-th gen for the most part does a terrible job at marketing groups let alone the individuals within these groups. For the industry to thrive, creative freedom NEEDS to be given to groups as they get older. We can see this with HYBE funnily enough, who lets Yunjin create her own music. Whilst this isnt totally in relation to the topic, i find that most of her solo work would technically fit the deep cut category as they arent promoted or choreographed but still speak to not only herself but others. As such without giving groups creative freedom, their career cannot thrive afterwards unless they are like Chuu or Boo Seungkwan and thrive on variety shows.
Kpop idols aren’t getting younger. Every gen has debuted primarily teenagers, sometimes with adults in the group, sometimes not. There’s been 14 year olds debuting in ever gen, too. When snsd debuted all 9 members were minors.
@@LaurenPebble I would slightly disagree specifically in the case of baby monster where most will be minors I believe. But overall you are right I think. My only crux is even in that scenario, the demands of idols even less than a decade ago is completely different to now with social media. Any mistake will be called out which is unhealthy for any individual that age to receive global criticism and also isn’t good for making good albums or receiving the responsibility to do so.
@@jadez6492 I agree with that. But that doesn’t change that idols aren’t getting younger, they’ve just always debuted young.
Thx god I'm a red velvet stan🤞, they really are different then other kpop groups they always have the best B-sides and even their title tracks obviously, thx god reveluvs we are getting a full length album soon AHHH
A lot of older kpop have mini albums for some time after debut too. Blackpink is being nortorious for not having a real album tho
Yeah but they’d debut with a mini, whereas most groups these days debut with a single.
@@LaurenPebble snsd debut with a single. Wonder Girls debut with a single. f(x) debut with a single, only had mini 1 year after debut and full album 2 years after debut. Red Velvet debut with a single, had mini only on third comeback, and had a full album a year after debut. Sistar who is under the same label as Ive debut with single and only had a full album a year later. Do i need to list more?
It's👏not👏a👏recent👏thing👏
@@Tenshikichi1 they want their fav group to release full album but only listen to TT..
Unlike Blackpink even their bsides gets viral than Their Favs TT.
Another reason is more songs cost more money if the idols write or produce their songs like some of 2nd and 3rd gen idols did this problem will be solved
I think the pandemic exacerbated an underlying issue-- Kpop companies, for the most part, don't see the point in even releasing a song that's not going to be performed regularly. This may be an observation that doesn't FULLY track, it's just what I noticed-- but a lot of older groups that weren't self-produced would release enough songs early on to start having concerts, and then cut back to shorter releases after that. Having longer albums was kind of a means to an end, release as many songs as you can early so that you can get to the next money-making venture.
For groups that debuted during the pandemic, the companies didn't have the incentive to make longer albums. They don't care about artistry, they care about profit, so why release a bunch of songs that at the MOST the artist will sing once or twice at a radio show or a special stage etc. They can just get the artists to do covers instead which are more likely to pull views in because fans of the other artist will pay attention.
I think there is going to be an uptick in these groups releasing full-length albums or at the very least proper mini-albums now, because they're trying to get to the threshold of enough songs to hold concerts. But I do think the problem will always be that companies don't see much value in non-promoted b-sides even if it's what establishes loyalty among a fanbase and really makes people appreciate the group rather than just an individual song.
Simple answer, just multi-stan. Quality over quantity I say. Also variety, I'd rather listen to 10 different groups each 1 song than 1 group with 10 songs especially if their sound is similar throughout the album. That's what playlists are made for.
A true no skip album for me usually are the mini albums cause the groups voice don't overstay their welcome in my head and in addition to fewer songs, the group can actually nail for variety between songs.
Oh also, if the group cannot provide me a no skip album, I ain't purchasing the album.
On the other hand i think single or mini albums are also beneficial in a way because - you get exposed to more songs from said artist, because in a lot of cases you most people don’t check the full albums of all groups they like, so you could definitely miss tracks u could like. Performance stages and the like kinda help promote and introduce individual tracks to the audience. Having less tracks in an album make that easier. Like for example how LSF and New Jeans promoted their albums. And another plus to single/mini albums is more earnings to the artists, which ofc is not the best for us from a finance point, but that’s really on us what we choose to spend our money on and whether we want to support the artist or not.
I think these companies are afraid the Kpop market is coming to an end, so they're focusing on short term cash grabs rather than longevity. Kpop is over saturated and most people see idols as a dime a dozen.
it's always been companies incentivizing profit over actual quality, its just that things have gone comparatively worse these past few years. ive's immediate success after debut should have warranted at least a mini album for their next comeback. the reason theyve gotten only 3 singles so far after a year past debut is because starship wanted to push them out as much as possible while spending as little money on music as possible. aespa debuted 2 years ago and have like 15 original songs to their name, nmixx debuted a year ago and have like 6 songs as of now.
small companies i understand having consecutive single releases due to tight budgets. but a lot of these sparse releases are done by companies who are well known and do have the money to get the songs-- they just dont want to. like having 4 songs and calling it a mini album, and having 8 songs and calling it a full album just feels like a cheat when you KNOW there couldve been more
I think your criticism or "issue" is a trivial matter that no one actually cares about, so yeah I disagree.
The "issue" is all but a side-effect of having the pressure of releasing music every other half-year.
There is no issue if groups wouldn't comeback as often, which in turn alleviates a lot of the rushing of albums.
Unfortunately, the system does not allow for this, hence you get singles and/or EP's.
It takes time and effort to create good art, don't take it for granted, even the singles and EP's that comes out are well crafted how else are they getting full-fledged MV's?
If you want to exchange full albums every so often then you will have to deal with the fact that it will be more than a year in the making for that to happen, especially if you want a good piece of conceptual art piece. You mentioned J-HOPE and it was 4 years between those two albums he dropped. Also, I'm certain you can find a bunch of fillers in lots of the albums nowadays and if they are fillers, why bother or do we just care about quantity? Is there an actual justification for "deep cuts"?
Why not just promote your "deep cuts", chop them up into EP's and/or singles and make them heard?
Quantity does not matter. Relevancy does and no group can go years on end without releasing anything in KPOP. The industry does not allow for it.
Unless the industry changes or the company stops caring then we'll see more full albums, but we won't because it doesn't work nor matter in the grand scheme of things.
Proof is a compilation album tho it only has 3 new songs
Can't make weird parameters like that
The difference is that previously the albums were long with 3 objectively good songs and 7 songs that are skips. Now there’s only 3 or 4 songs and they’re all objectively good. Idk
The point about not being able to see the full range of idols’ talents is very true. It says something when for a lot of 4th gen idols their vocal abilities are mostly showcased through covers and not their own music (which they don’t have enough of)
idk. I don’t want to catch strays but as much as I like twice and itzy them putting out album after album with a bunch of filler songs is… not my cup of tea. I’d rather them have good songs even if they’re few
Found this video by accident but man do I have somethings to say😤
I'm an Atiny. huge Ateez Stan ,they are my boys ,they are my little drop of happiness in this world ,but Oh My God! Do I have stuff to say about their album composition? Structure? Amount of songs as you mentioned. And I know they're still starting out, in terms of how long since their debut, but their albums have no new content aside from the title track and it's getting really upsetting, Because if you look at the "Halazia" album (I don't name the albums by what they're called I name them by title tracks so bear with me) it's literally just the title track and remixes of songs from their previous albums and ????
I don't understand why they're always pushing Ateez for more comebacks because I believe last year they had 3, if you include the Japanese single that they promoted like a CB in Japan. But my thought process is: why not wait and compose more songs to put out properly instead of making one album or mini album with one new song and the rest are songs we already heard? And the thing is this only started at the end 2021 when they had the CB with "The real" which in my opinion should have just been pushed for the next year. Like these boys are freaking talented they're heavily involved and invested in their concepts and music production so I blame the company for this rush because they're also overworking them with all of this. And Idc what they say about being okay with working back to back comebacks eventually you're going to burn out. I would much rather have one CB with a full album like 5-8 songs then what's happening right now I used to buy albums, but now it feels like a waste and I just hold off on buying them until I'm sure.
I know kpop is more visual and stuff ,but this industry is really stunting the growth of these artists by doing stuff like this. Like take your damn time ,don't be so freaking greedy and just make songs to appease tiktok! It's ridiculous I literally forget some of them after their trending period is over. I want longevity and I know some of these groups are more than capable of it.
Also Stan Ateez if you want they're cool❤️
Bestie, The real was on album that was ment to be repackage of their older stuff (ex. Shinee with Atlantis). Halazia was supposed to be a single album, nothing more. I bet they gonna have 8-9 new songs on their next, actual album, no need to worry. I agree kq should stop with remixes but other than that, I see no issue. I don’t think Ateez doesn’t have songs to put out, I trust them.
I know a group with a great sense of direction, their name is CRAXY.
They will comeback really soon with "Nugudom"