Nice job, the problem I see with the set up is that if one of the slings break or a connections let go, your right in line with the steel winch cable snapping back. That much force will kill you easily. I’ve been a lineman for over 4 decades and have seen slings and winches come apart, the result is usually ugly.
Thanks Russ, the nice thing about the synthetic straps.... if the gear reaches a limit, with stored energy in the straps, you can walk away for a pint & the straps keep working. ⚓️ Return later & the pickup the slack, the stump will move, may take a couple days. 😎
That winch is like a hand operated bulldozer! I wonder how much force was generated. It had to be way more than any farm jack was capable of, but they are often used like winches for pulling instead of jacking.
That winch is an amazing apparatus. But my safety alarms are blowing hard because you have to stand in line of the pulling line and if that line were to break you might quite possible be hit by it and that would be deadly , am I wrong?
Personally, I think if I had managed to get the weight lower down on the farm jack it would have worked. You could see the stump moving and hear roots snapping before it failed. Pulling the stump out with this jack took way more force due to the lack of leverage. Trees are not equipped to resist vertical forces as well as they resist horizontal forces. I may of course be wrong. :-)
The Hi lift can also be used to pull if you don't have a winch, used one a few times when offroading. If using as a jack try and keep the centre of gravity as low as possible then you won't bend the post. That other winch is something else no good for modern tanks BTW as I well know.
Good advice Nev. I love both the jack and the winch. However, you are right, the winch is something else. It has proved extremely useful on the odd occasion, but it is very awkward to handle and position. It would never pass any of today's certification tests either! :-)
Incredibly useful tool, and very impressive pulling power, but I'd never use one. Having to stand directly in line with the tensioned chain as you crank the winch seems way too risky for me.
It goes to show never trust a salesman who tells you that their product is good far at least three tons of resistance! But then, the clasp was way up the top of the support. At half that distance you may have had a fighting chance. I got a kick out of it! Thanks.
Yes, the manufacturer said it was only capable of lifting 500 kg at the top and to keep the weight on the bottom half of the jack. They neglected to mention that in the instructions though! :-)
Here is a link to the instruction manual for the winch. You can research the history from the details on them Yashpal. nla.gov.au/nla.obj-52803886/view?partId=nla.obj-96150701#page/n10/mode/1up :-)
Another nice video mate. Well done. Oh, by the way I noticed the dead body of your farm jack still resting besides the crime scene. Are you going to revive it?
Yes Willie, I contacted the retailer and they sent me a new post. The farm jack is as good as new again and I have a more informed idea of how to use it. :-)
You pulled against all the dirt between the stump and your winch. Using a tall lever nearer to the stump would have made the winch more effective and required less work on your part. ( I'm naturally lazy and try to avoid excess work whenever I can )
I would not stand in line with the pulling straps - if that lets go, it's going to be like getting shot with a thousand shotguns. There is just too much energy stored in those straps.
@@paulgriffiths8359 I can't find any info on the place. It was their father who moved out there looking for gold in Trentham. There are people around with the name Trewhalla, so it may or may not be connected! :-)
@@RussellPlatten Yes, their foundry was at Trentham in Victoria. Closed in the late 90's. The monkey grubber or winch was used for what you did, grubbing out stumps. My dad grew up in the bush and they used this to clear the ground for grazing.
Great stuff. My grandpa used something like this to drag huge electrical transformers around after they were dropped by a crane. He renovated old ones and sold them. Only his device looked completely different. Like a flattened shell where an entire mechanism were closed. But I see the principle of how it works is the same. These are pretty powerful, clever devices.
Is the winch something you were able to rent at a local tool rental yard? What a magnificent and functional tool! Wow! Your property is coming along beautifully! Just lovely!
I was given the winch a few years ago. A good friend of mine had used it years ago as part of his landscaping business. It would never pass today's stringent safety regulations so you would not be able to rent it. They occasionally come up for sale on eBay and do not fetch too much money. You need to search for 'monkey winch' or 'Trewhella'. :-)
Still hard work eh? Those Trewhella bros. gear was heavyweight stuff. I have four of their Trewhella Bros. stump jacks and they are serius as a heart attack mate. And I damn near have one everytime I use them. lol . But they sure as S#!* get the job done!
"Tree-walla" or "Traa-walla" is the correct pronunciation. Hard work is the reality!! Very dangerous if used improperly....the bigger versions can single line pull 40 tons....when a cable fails at those pressures...
These are antique, and rare as hens teeth. Not that I know anyone that has one, but I do know - it would be difficult to get someone to part with it. It isn't a monetary thing. They are rare, and useful, appreciated for the quality of their manufacture and the history of the device. Much like that massive anvil that is the family heirloom. The company started as a foundry in rural Victoria, Australia in the 1880s, producing Jacks to help clear land, move timber, wagon jacks etc. They eventually had a whole range of equipment used to essentially clear the land, and exported around the world. The monkey grubbers are simply beasts. PS, I wouldn't be standing within coo-ee of that thing under tension, also I'd be using a steel cable. They are very capable of pulling much larger trees right out of the ground.
@@RussellPlatten the family did, and they tried their hand at different things. After initial success with the foundry, and growth of the company the opened up back in the UK, where no doubt there was still the family connecti on and a bigger worldwide market. Can search for the company history, and it's an interesting short read. Also, there are some company catalogues available to view online at the National library of Australia. nla.gov.au/nla.obj-40712525/view?partId=nla.obj-40712530 interesting uses, but a bit of artistic licence taken! For a UA-cam demo of how they work, and a idea of their capabilities, search for trewhella monkey grubber. There are a few lads doing some hard yakka pulling trees and stumps. Rough quality, but a good demo all the same. And thanks again for posting. Im certainly envious of your unit.👍
Interesting but now you have a hole in the ground that needs filling. I learned that it is easier to create a small fire out of the stump, cook my lunch and possibly my evening meal and I don't have a large hole to fill in or a stump to get rid of.
I like the idea of cooking using a burning stump. The hole is no longer there, I knocked the soil off the roots and levelled the ground which provided enough soil to fill it. :-)
Close your eyes . . . and you'll swear it's Sean Bean talking. I'm going to watch all of his videos. He's bound to say "winter is coming" at some point :-)
For some reason a lot of viewers think I sound like Sean Bean Steve. I can't hear it myself though. We do come from the same general area of the UK. :-)
@@RussellPlatten It's cool, wish I had your voice. I live in Oz but was born in Bolton, so the accent mix means I sound like a baboon gargling gravel. Enjoying the vids. Cheers
Yeah yeah, you are a fortunate fella to have the most experience & the best maintained equipment... but there are others who are watching without the same circumstances who will try it with a very different result, so basically the responsibility is on you.
Well well now didn’t that do the trick nicely!! Going back on the farm jack though you reckon you were jacking against itself at any point? Ps Fly fishing videos are well funny😂
Yes, the Trewhella winch is some machine. I think that there was a twisting action on the jack and that is what caused it to fail. I never noticed it bending whilst I was using it. It is easy to see it on the video, but I never noticed it up at the jack. As for Fly Fishing, I haven't been for a long time. I really should get some more flies tied and catch something. :-)
every body who uses any thing to pull anything with a line needs to watch a video about line breaking under tension. even a cotton rope can cut a man completely in half if breaks under tension seriously. love the video and the equipment just be careful people. Sorry for two comments in a row but I have seen this very thing happen and it is scary and happens so fast and you wouldn't believe how often. Thus the reason power winches come with a long corded control or wireless remote
You are absolutely right David. I was at sea for a while and also worked offshore so I am well aware of the dangers of ropes and cables parting. I have actually seen one part. I made sure that all of the equipment I used was capable of taking the load before I started. There is always a chance of failure though. If we lived our lives worried about every negative possibility, we would probably never get up in the morning. :-)
@@RussellPlatten You can only make stuff as safe as possible. You could have pulled the other tree don on top of you. At some point you just have to risk it.
@@RussellPlatten totally agree with everything you say and show in the video just made the comment for the people who have no knowledge of line breaks. Your awesome keep up the good hard work and videos. You and the videos are very interesting and learning these tricks from the guys like you who know this stuff is so valuable and would be lost without you sharing your knowledge. and for that I admire and thank you.
Wow, yeah - impressive as you say... Look how you were in line ((if)) that cable/strap/chain or whatever - broke????... and that''s all I'm gonna say about that.
The winch is designed to be used with a snatch block doubling the mechanical advantage and two men on the tommy bar. I could not see any way of me stressing the cable dangerously. :-)
@@RussellPlatten Calibir1 2 minutes ago well, that's good - sure looked like a dangerous to be in between the two trees... It puled out a pretty big stump.
@@RussellPlatten The issue is what if the cable is damaged or manufactured wrong or from China? You are putting a lot of faith in a cable that could break and nothing to keep you safe if it breaks and if it breaks under tension it is absolutely deadly
The winch was manufactured here in the UK and the cable looks sound David. You are right though there is always an element of risk when using this type of equipment. :-)
The trick is to pick a failure point such as the 12 ton shackles. One of them would have been the first to fail. He has 2 of them but the way they are rigged his max capacity is only 12 tons.
Nice job, the problem I see with the set up is that if one of the slings break or a connections let go, your right in line with the steel winch cable snapping back. That much force will kill you easily. I’ve been a lineman for over 4 decades and have seen slings and winches come apart, the result is usually ugly.
They already did this on myth busters. They bruised a pig carcass, but I believe it was determined non-lethal
Thanks Russ, the nice thing about the synthetic straps.... if the gear reaches a limit, with stored energy in the straps, you can walk away for a pint & the straps keep working. ⚓️ Return later & the pickup the slack, the stump will move, may take a couple days. 😎
Good information there Keith. i never thought about the stored energy in the strop. :-)
I really enjoyed the way you presented the whole thing. Yes, I enjoyed watching it.
I usually dig a small hole near a stump and make a small fire in it. In the morning on the place of stump - a small bunch of ash.
That winch is like a hand operated bulldozer! I wonder how much force was generated. It had to be way more than any farm jack was capable of, but they are often used like winches for pulling instead of jacking.
I think it pulls around 12 tons with a straight run as I demonstrate in the video and 24 tons if a snatch block is used with the load. :-)
If I ever need to have a driveway with three feet of snow hand shoveled I will get Mr Platten to do it as he seems to be heart attack immune.
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That was really fun to watch. Thanks !!!
Glad you enjoyed it! :-)
Nice option for the larger stumps never heard of the trewhella monkey winch before
It is a very powerful winch! :-)
Now you understand why that jack collapsed!
That's better than the farm jack but concerned if the strap broke and whipped straight back in your face. Need to get one of those :-)
That winch is an amazing apparatus. But my safety alarms are blowing hard because you have to stand in line of the pulling line and if that line were to break you might quite possible be hit by it and that would be deadly , am I wrong?
No David, you are not wrong. :-)
Now I know what to do the next time my tank gets stuck in a ditch.
LOL
Hi Russell. You broke that jack you were putting over 3 tonne pressure. It takes massive power to pull a healthy stump out of any reasonable size.
Personally, I think if I had managed to get the weight lower down on the farm jack it would have worked. You could see the stump moving and hear roots snapping before it failed. Pulling the stump out with this jack took way more force due to the lack of leverage. Trees are not equipped to resist vertical forces as well as they resist horizontal forces. I may of course be wrong. :-)
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If not mentioned previously, throw a heavy cloth canvas over the line, such as the off roaders do.
Very good tip! :-)
What do you do if there doesn’t happen to be a great big solid tree nearby to pull on?
Without a suitable anchor it is not much use! :-)
WoW! I need me one of those! Thanks for sharing! :D
It is a wonderful machine. They occasionally appear on eBay. :-)
I love this video Russ. I like the bit where your getting to old for this!!
Is that who I think it is?
Oh my gosh 😍...I want one of those things....WOW!
Yes, very impressive.
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That is a nice winch. Some pretty clever rigging and hard work, I would have probably given up and gotten the loader tractor!
LOL. Maybe I should get myself a loading tractor. I reckon it would not cope with the inclines on my garden. :-)
The Hi lift can also be used to pull if you don't have a winch, used one a few times when offroading. If using as a jack try and keep the centre of gravity as low as possible then you won't bend the post. That other winch is something else no good for modern tanks BTW as I well know.
Good advice Nev. I love both the jack and the winch. However, you are right, the winch is something else. It has proved extremely useful on the odd occasion, but it is very awkward to handle and position. It would never pass any of today's certification tests either! :-)
Incredibly useful tool, and very impressive pulling power, but I'd never use one. Having to stand directly in line with the tensioned chain as you crank the winch seems way too risky for me.
True, but I figured seeing as it is designed for two men, I would not be able to put enough strain on it to cause a problem. :-)
It goes to show never trust a salesman who tells you that their product is good far at least three tons of resistance!
But then, the clasp was way up the top of the support. At half that distance you may have had a fighting chance.
I got a kick out of it! Thanks.
Yes, the manufacturer said it was only capable of lifting 500 kg at the top and to keep the weight on the bottom half of the jack. They neglected to mention that in the instructions though! :-)
Sir pl tell me the data, company & history behind this monkey winch.
Here is a link to the instruction manual for the winch. You can research the history from the details on them Yashpal. nla.gov.au/nla.obj-52803886/view?partId=nla.obj-96150701#page/n10/mode/1up :-)
If it snaps won't have time to react, making me nervous not using a blanket. BTW, awesome winch indeed!
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Another nice video mate. Well done. Oh, by the way I noticed the dead body of your farm jack still resting besides the crime scene. Are you going to revive it?
Yes Willie, I contacted the retailer and they sent me a new post. The farm jack is as good as new again and I have a more informed idea of how to use it. :-)
Great. Keep it up and good luck to you mate.
Are you in US? where did you bought it used?
I am in the UK. A friend gave me the winch. You can sometimes find them on eBay. :-)
Well done mate, perseverance prevails
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A TIRFOR WINCH DOES THE SAME
it won't handle that. You'd break shear pins all day.
You pulled against all the dirt between the stump and your winch. Using a tall lever nearer to the stump would have made the winch more effective and required less work on your part. ( I'm naturally lazy and try to avoid excess work whenever I can )
I never had anything for an A frame Mike. I knew the winch would just rip it out. :-)
Been searching the internet for 15 minutes for one of these. They appear to be hard to come by.
Any tips?
eBay is probably your best bet David or classified ads. :-)
I would not stand in line with the pulling straps - if that lets go, it's going to be like getting shot with a thousand shotguns. There is just too much energy stored in those straps.
Now you know why your 3 ton jack failed!
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Heart attack 5min after this... : )
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Come on Russell you promised a plug for your quad, but didn't plug the quad. What is it? I am looking to buy farm quad, what is it?
Sorry, I meant showing it pull the stump away. It was a heavy lump. There is a review for this quad on my UA-cam channel. :-)
Looks a lil dangerous better use good tackle for your own safety
See "Flying Stump" for what could happen.
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It’s out already...
Russell I Like... I´am Brazilian . I Like the love the América.
Great!
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enjoyed thank you
Glad you enjoyed it! :-)
Not as much fun as Blaster Bates.😂
You can't win 'em all! :-)
Does not show all about the Trewhella monkey winch.. Ok
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Made im Australia at a town called Trewhalla
Trewhella brothers moved to Australia from the UK! I hope you guys are all OK over there Down Under! :-)
@@RussellPlatten yes all good over here, I wonder if the town was named after their factory ?
@@paulgriffiths8359 I can't find any info on the place. It was their father who moved out there looking for gold in Trentham. There are people around with the name Trewhalla, so it may or may not be connected! :-)
@@RussellPlatten
Yes, their foundry was at Trentham in Victoria.
Closed in the late 90's.
The monkey grubber or winch was used for what you did, grubbing out stumps.
My dad grew up in the bush and they used this to clear the ground for grazing.
@@lindsaybrown7357 It is a brilliant tool Lindsay! A friend gave it to me. He used to have a landscaping business and had two of them. :-)
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what language is he speaking???
English. :-)
Made by real craftsmen back in the day, not like that soft as puppy shit Chinese farm jack.
This winch is a real peace of mechanical engineering! :-)
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Cornish invention.
And a brilliant one at that George! :-)
I love this guy!!
Thank you Leonardo! :-)
Great video. It looks like a potentially dangerous procedure. If the strap breaks, it could strike the operator with a deadly force.
I made sure all of the equipment had a SWL of more than the maximum capacity of the winch Dave. :-)
Wow what a ripper, I am amazed at would it could do being attached so low on the stump. It beats my block and tackle that I use to pull stumps.
It is an amazing winch! :-)
That was pretty cool.👍
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Even with a wonderfully powerful method like that ... it's still hard yakka!
It is! :-)
25ton they have a snatch block so they will pull 50ton and shortener
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Great stuff. My grandpa used something like this to drag huge electrical transformers around after they were dropped by a crane. He renovated old ones and sold them. Only his device looked completely different. Like a flattened shell where an entire mechanism were closed. But I see the principle of how it works is the same. These are pretty powerful, clever devices.
Brilliant tools! :-)
Probably was a cable puller like the ones they use in forestry..
Can I get one of these to. Get my brother out of my life!
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Is the winch something you were able to rent at a local tool rental yard? What a magnificent and functional tool! Wow! Your property is coming along beautifully! Just lovely!
I was given the winch a few years ago. A good friend of mine had used it years ago as part of his landscaping business. It would never pass today's stringent safety regulations so you would not be able to rent it. They occasionally come up for sale on eBay and do not fetch too much money. You need to search for 'monkey winch' or 'Trewhella'. :-)
Still hard work eh? Those Trewhella bros. gear was heavyweight stuff. I have four of their Trewhella Bros. stump jacks and they are serius as a heart attack mate. And I damn near have one everytime I use them. lol . But they sure as S#!* get the job done!
I love this winch! So much pulling power! :-)
But there is no roots there it was just a dry root
The root system was all there. I had only just cut all of the branches off if ready for removing the stump. :-)
"Tree-walla" or "Traa-walla" is the correct pronunciation. Hard work is the reality!!
Very dangerous if used improperly....the bigger versions can single line pull 40 tons....when a cable fails at those pressures...
I know, I am very wary of it! :-)
That's quite the gizmo. I have never seen anything like that in North America.
Where do I get one...
Ebay might be a good starting place. :-)
These are antique, and rare as hens teeth.
Not that I know anyone that has one, but I do know - it would be difficult to get someone to part with it. It isn't a monetary thing. They are rare, and useful, appreciated for the quality of their manufacture and the history of the device. Much like that massive anvil that is the family heirloom.
The company started as a foundry in rural Victoria, Australia in the 1880s, producing Jacks to help clear land, move timber, wagon jacks etc.
They eventually had a whole range of equipment used to essentially clear the land, and exported around the world.
The monkey grubbers are simply beasts.
PS, I wouldn't be standing within coo-ee of that thing under tension, also I'd be using a steel cable. They are very capable of pulling much larger trees right out of the ground.
I thought that they started out in Cornwall, UK and then moved down under Steve. It is a great bit of kit! :-)
@@RussellPlatten the family did, and they tried their hand at different things. After initial success with the foundry, and growth of the company the opened up back in the UK, where no doubt there was still the family connecti on and a bigger worldwide market.
Can search for the company history, and it's an interesting short read. Also, there are some company catalogues available to view online at the National library of Australia. nla.gov.au/nla.obj-40712525/view?partId=nla.obj-40712530 interesting uses, but a bit of artistic licence taken!
For a UA-cam demo of how they work, and a idea of their capabilities, search for trewhella monkey grubber. There are a few lads doing some hard yakka pulling trees and stumps. Rough quality, but a good demo all the same.
And thanks again for posting. Im certainly envious of your unit.👍
Interesting but now you have a hole in the ground that needs filling. I learned that it is easier to create a small fire out of the stump, cook my lunch and possibly my evening meal and I don't have a large hole to fill in or a stump to get rid of.
I like the idea of cooking using a burning stump. The hole is no longer there, I knocked the soil off the roots and levelled the ground which provided enough soil to fill it. :-)
Please post the Amazon linke for the Monkey Winch. LOL!!!!
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SUCH a COOL Device!!!!
That looked so FUN!!!!
It is a brilliant winch! :-)
Close your eyes . . . and you'll swear it's Sean Bean talking. I'm going to watch all of his videos. He's bound to say "winter is coming" at some point :-)
For some reason a lot of viewers think I sound like Sean Bean Steve. I can't hear it myself though. We do come from the same general area of the UK. :-)
@@RussellPlatten It's cool, wish I had your voice. I live in Oz but was born in Bolton, so the accent mix means I sound like a baboon gargling gravel. Enjoying the vids. Cheers
@@steeevo0136 I reckon a baboon gargling gravel would sound pretty good! :-)
Like Edge Mo said, lucky the cable or strap didn't break or there would have been a lot of blood everywhere and a funeral to go to.
My gear was all rated for the maximum load. :-)
Yeah yeah, you are a fortunate fella to have the most experience & the best maintained equipment... but there are others who are watching without the same circumstances who will try it with a very different result, so basically the responsibility is on you.
Well well now didn’t that do the trick nicely!! Going back on the farm jack though you reckon you were jacking against itself at any point? Ps Fly fishing videos are well funny😂
Yes, the Trewhella winch is some machine. I think that there was a twisting action on the jack and that is what caused it to fail. I never noticed it bending whilst I was using it. It is easy to see it on the video, but I never noticed it up at the jack. As for Fly Fishing, I haven't been for a long time. I really should get some more flies tied and catch something. :-)
Russell Platten just buy them mate. Couple of quid. You could prob have a page on failing on videos you see on YT.
I've never caught a fish on a fly that I did not tie myself. I certainly have a few fails! LOL
That is an amazing pieces of equipment! I'll bet it's NOT Made in China!
No, it is not! :-)
@@RussellPlatten
Made in Australia
every body who uses any thing to pull anything with a line needs to watch a video about line breaking under tension. even a cotton rope can cut a man completely in half if breaks under tension seriously. love the video and the equipment just be careful people. Sorry for two comments in a row but I have seen this very thing happen and it is scary and happens so fast and you wouldn't believe how often. Thus the reason power winches come with a long corded control or wireless remote
You are absolutely right David. I was at sea for a while and also worked offshore so I am well aware of the dangers of ropes and cables parting. I have actually seen one part. I made sure that all of the equipment I used was capable of taking the load before I started. There is always a chance of failure though. If we lived our lives worried about every negative possibility, we would probably never get up in the morning. :-)
@@RussellPlatten You can only make stuff as safe as possible. You could have pulled the other tree don on top of you. At some point you just have to risk it.
@@RussellPlatten totally agree with everything you say and show in the video just made the comment for the people who have no knowledge of line breaks. Your awesome keep up the good hard work and videos. You and the videos are very interesting and learning these tricks from the guys like you who know this stuff is so valuable and would be lost without you sharing your knowledge. and for that I admire and thank you.
@@ivavossi Thank you David. :-)
How did you unreal it
Wow, yeah - impressive as you say... Look how you were in line ((if)) that cable/strap/chain or whatever - broke????... and that''s all I'm gonna say about that.
The winch is designed to be used with a snatch block doubling the mechanical advantage and two men on the tommy bar. I could not see any way of me stressing the cable dangerously. :-)
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Calibir1
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well, that's good - sure looked like a dangerous to be in between the two trees... It puled out a pretty big stump.
@@RussellPlatten The issue is what if the cable is damaged or manufactured wrong or from China? You are putting a lot of faith in a cable that could break and nothing to keep you safe if it breaks and if it breaks under tension it is absolutely deadly
The winch was manufactured here in the UK and the cable looks sound David. You are right though there is always an element of risk when using this type of equipment. :-)
The trick is to pick a failure point such as the 12 ton shackles. One of them would have been the first to fail. He has 2 of them but the way they are rigged his max capacity is only 12 tons.
Awesome
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