Great battle report as always. Love seeing the snakes on the table again. As a quick reminder, Archaon wouldn't have been able to use All Out Defense in the first round. He issued the All Out Attack command to the Knights (as opposed to their unit champion issuing it to themselves) so there was nobody left to issue the All Out Defense command to Archaon. Incredibly minor, as there were enough command points to do it the other way around anyways.
Can't wait for the next one. Y'all've inspired me to get Archaon back on the table. Told my group I don't care what you bring, just bring something because all I want to do is run and charge with horsies. @@BattleshockWargaming
Great battlereport lot of fun to watch and 2 really cool armies. Togheter with Hedonites problaly my 3 favourites. Shoutout for the chariot. find it a real shame that they just are so underwhelming.
Mike interestingly enough almost all of our army's that match we did a very similar paint scheme... did hallowed knights stormcast . Did turquoise themed DoK. Our KO match. And heck even our tzeentch are somewhat similar.. only army not painted almost identical is our cities...( so close to being paint pals falling just short.) LOL I guess my fyreslayers match your guys too. But almost everybody's fyreslayers match..lol I am curious for my own sake... what are currently both of your guys favorite army's right now??? I have been using my DoK as I just got my custom terrian table built for them. But my overall favorite is probably good old stormcast. Also yet another enjoyable battle report I get to watch.. as always keep up the great work.. you guys are my favorite to watch.. and I am always recommending your guys channel to any newcomers in my local community!
Wow thank you so much for the kind comment and for recommending us to people in your local community that is freaking rad of you. David and I each play like 10 plus armies so a favorite is hard to pick, David is really into his Ogor Maw Tribes right now. My personal favorite (even if i dont think they are in the best place) is my sylvaneth. Are you looking forward to the new cities release or did alot of your collection get squatted?
Mindrazor and Finest Hour on the SQ with Arch in front of him. I can see why Michael did what he did.... but you have to give yourself an easier charge if you are blowing FH on offense. You have to assume the Warriors are going to redeploy. The game was pretty much lost there. Overall I love seeing DoK back on the channel!!!! Keep saying it... one of the best batreps on UA-cam!
In my mind i was doing the risker move for the win vs the safer move for the loss. As soon as that failed, i knew i had just screwed up but you still have the play the game as well as you can from that point forward. If i had to do it all over again i would be gunning for Arachaon.
@@BattleshockWargaming It also makes us better players in the long run. Seeing how other people play and the risks they take is super helpful for crafting your own playstyle. Also Khinerai are amazing as well, 3-4 BT a game its nuts!
@@sasukeds for sure i was blown away by how well the khinerai did. Recently Daughters are starting to do a tad better in the meta so i think michael just needs to expand the collection and get some more games with them under his belt
Archaon went hard this game, I think if Michael was more aggressive in the early rounds to deal with him, they may have been able to swing the win. But going multiple turns without taking primary points is always very risky
47:30 after Double 6 primal Cast. Michael should get another primal and you as Well. But archeon isnt allowed to Cast any more spells. So No mystic shield
We keep forgetting about the extra primal dice but i am happy to report that in the coming battle report that we just filmed we did remember to do this rule correctly. Thank you for your comments!
Thx for the awesome batrep!! (47 min mark) Dont forget that if you roll 2 sixes with the primal rolls, the spell goes off but you also each receive 1 more primal die 🎉
This is a rule we keep forgetting. But im happy to announce that we just filmed and we remembered it this time. So thank you for your comments they are very helpful.
Great battlereport as always guys! David, you keep mentioning that the Chaos Knights get a +1 to charge. They don't, unless you give them the Slaanesh mark. The musician changes one of the dice from a charge roll into a 4, the banner gives +1 to their bravery characteristic. Edit: Why don't you guys show the complete lists in the beginning? You show a list of all the unit's anyway, why not include all their enhancements/weapon choices?
Im speaking for david here but i am almost certain he gave them the slaanesh mark mostly for that sweet run and charge command. Funny you should ask about a more complete list, we are currently editing upcoming videos and looking at adding that to our army breakdown. We are always looking for ways to make our content better we we appreciate these kinds of constructive comments.
@@BattleshockWargaming Cool to hear, any improvements are always welcome! Concerning the Knights, David mentions they have the Tzeentch banner for the 4+ ward against shooting, meaning they should be marked Tzeentch. Not that the +1 to charge really mattered this battle, but always good to keep in mind for the next one. Keep these reports coming, they are great! :)
On the bottom of the battleround 3 Archaon could have used filth spewer to try and assassinate Shadow Queen. I mean he would have only rolled 1d6 but there is a chance.
In the latest generals handbook, the person taking 1st turn receives 1cp +1 for having their general on the battlefield. The person taking second turn receives 2 cp +1 for having their general on the battlefield. The person going second can also use "Andtorian Focus" to give an additional cp to a non wizard hero or grant a wizard hero an additional cast and unbind for the turn. All of these rules are the latest rules which can be found in General's Handbook 2023-24
Primal mistcast only happen if using a primal dice "When a primal magic dice modifies a casting roll, if two or more of the dice in the casting roll and primal magic dice are 1s, the caster suffers a primal miscast instead of a miscast" hope this clears things up
Who do I cheer for here? The most boring Gary Stu villain ever written(Archaon) or the most generically powerful army to bring with Morathi Khaine and her bow-snakes? When in doubt, err on the side of three-headed dragon accompanied by models with the coolest armor in AoS. Go Archaon. The redeploy by the Chaos Warriors resulting in a 6 and preventing the Shadow Queen's charge with Mindrazor, I think, won the game for Slaves, even if Archaon was tied up in combat only doing 3 damage a turn. But in all honesty, Archaon's main strength isn't sheer damage. It is the control he provides, and he fulfilled his role as expected, the highlight being the 5 Bravery roll against the 20 models he fought. Great match, gentlemen, and I'll rendezvous with you at the next battlefield.
Thank you for the comment, that for sure was the pivotal moment of the report, If it had worked for michael he would have been a hero living in glory forever sadly the redeploy command is a thing
we were only scoring activated objectives. Turn one michael was holding both actives objectives and then david basically held them for the rest of the game
@@canadaborn1620 the current DOK collection we have is fairly limited so we cant do alot of variations in lists. DOK had the ability to win but with limited objectives and getting pinned by the big guy early on it made for a rough game for the Daughters
We like to show off the great dice that our partner Baron of Dice donates to the channel, and we have a dice cam which is a large part of our format :) Just something different vs 3rd person camera view throughout and is part of our personal style of content! Thanks for watching our channel and taking time to comment :)
Michael doesnt have any fighty snakes in the collections. DOK is due to get a channel expansion soon but we are trying to get all the factions represented on the channel first before expanding current collections.
Great battle report as always. Love seeing the snakes on the table again. As a quick reminder, Archaon wouldn't have been able to use All Out Defense in the first round. He issued the All Out Attack command to the Knights (as opposed to their unit champion issuing it to themselves) so there was nobody left to issue the All Out Defense command to Archaon. Incredibly minor, as there were enough command points to do it the other way around anyways.
Good call! Thanks so much for watching and taking the time to comment :)
Can't wait for the next one. Y'all've inspired me to get Archaon back on the table. Told my group I don't care what you bring, just bring something because all I want to do is run and charge with horsies. @@BattleshockWargaming
Not into either army but looking forward to learning some new armies (for me) thanks for more great content guys 😊🙏
For sure! Thank you for tuning in. Archaon is a powerful model, both in appearance and on the table top :)
Great battlereport lot of fun to watch and 2 really cool armies. Togheter with Hedonites problaly my 3 favourites. Shoutout for the chariot. find it a real shame that they just are so underwhelming.
They are a tad underwhelming and david has his heart set running a list of pure chariots!
@@BattleshockWargaming Sounds like he needs to build a hedonites army. Plan the same but all slaneeshi. Use the lawnmowers.
Mike interestingly enough almost all of our army's that match we did a very similar paint scheme... did hallowed knights stormcast . Did turquoise themed DoK. Our KO match. And heck even our tzeentch are somewhat similar.. only army not painted almost identical is our cities...( so close to being paint pals falling just short.) LOL I guess my fyreslayers match your guys too. But almost everybody's fyreslayers match..lol I am curious for my own sake... what are currently both of your guys favorite army's right now??? I have been using my DoK as I just got my custom terrian table built for them. But my overall favorite is probably good old stormcast. Also yet another enjoyable battle report I get to watch.. as always keep up the great work.. you guys are my favorite to watch.. and I am always recommending your guys channel to any newcomers in my local community!
Wow thank you so much for the kind comment and for recommending us to people in your local community that is freaking rad of you. David and I each play like 10 plus armies so a favorite is hard to pick, David is really into his Ogor Maw Tribes right now. My personal favorite (even if i dont think they are in the best place) is my sylvaneth. Are you looking forward to the new cities release or did alot of your collection get squatted?
Mindrazor and Finest Hour on the SQ with Arch in front of him. I can see why Michael did what he did.... but you have to give yourself an easier charge if you are blowing FH on offense. You have to assume the Warriors are going to redeploy. The game was pretty much lost there. Overall I love seeing DoK back on the channel!!!! Keep saying it... one of the best batreps on UA-cam!
In my mind i was doing the risker move for the win vs the safer move for the loss. As soon as that failed, i knew i had just screwed up but you still have the play the game as well as you can from that point forward. If i had to do it all over again i would be gunning for Arachaon.
@@BattleshockWargaming It also makes us better players in the long run. Seeing how other people play and the risks they take is super helpful for crafting your own playstyle. Also Khinerai are amazing as well, 3-4 BT a game its nuts!
@@sasukeds for sure i was blown away by how well the khinerai did. Recently Daughters are starting to do a tad better in the meta so i think michael just needs to expand the collection and get some more games with them under his belt
Rooting for Snakes!
Though champion models look really cool.
Archaeon made insane amount of ward saves and reflected back so many too, thanks for batrep
Archaon went hard this game, I think if Michael was more aggressive in the early rounds to deal with him, they may have been able to swing the win. But going multiple turns without taking primary points is always very risky
My fav warhammer channel in the tube! Keep it up guys!
I didnt know you had an STD.
Typical slaves to darkness joke 🤣
Thank you for the kind words and supportive comments, We really appreciate it and the S2D jokes
Archaon could have used monstrous action to take that last wound on Mortahi, assuming they were in range.
You don’t have to be in combat to use it.
Good idea using Filth Spewer in that way, Obviously i dont think David thought of that at that time.
47:30 after Double 6 primal Cast. Michael should get another primal and you as Well. But archeon isnt allowed to Cast any more spells. So No mystic shield
We keep forgetting about the extra primal dice but i am happy to report that in the coming battle report that we just filmed we did remember to do this rule correctly. Thank you for your comments!
Thx for the awesome batrep!! (47 min mark) Dont forget that if you roll 2 sixes with the primal rolls, the spell goes off but you also each receive 1 more primal die 🎉
This is a rule we keep forgetting. But im happy to announce that we just filmed and we remembered it this time. So thank you for your comments they are very helpful.
Great battlereport as always guys!
David, you keep mentioning that the Chaos Knights get a +1 to charge. They don't, unless you give them the Slaanesh mark. The musician changes one of the dice from a charge roll into a 4, the banner gives +1 to their bravery characteristic.
Edit:
Why don't you guys show the complete lists in the beginning? You show a list of all the unit's anyway, why not include all their enhancements/weapon choices?
Im speaking for david here but i am almost certain he gave them the slaanesh mark mostly for that sweet run and charge command.
Funny you should ask about a more complete list, we are currently editing upcoming videos and looking at adding that to our army breakdown. We are always looking for ways to make our content better we we appreciate these kinds of constructive comments.
@@BattleshockWargaming Cool to hear, any improvements are always welcome!
Concerning the Knights, David mentions they have the Tzeentch banner for the 4+ ward against shooting, meaning they should be marked Tzeentch.
Not that the +1 to charge really mattered this battle, but always good to keep in mind for the next one.
Keep these reports coming, they are great! :)
@@lordvladekc4846 excellent catch thank you! We will keep an eye our on that in the future.
On the bottom of the battleround 3 Archaon could have used filth spewer to try and assassinate Shadow Queen. I mean he would have only rolled 1d6 but there is a chance.
This would have been a great idea! Ill remember for next time. Thanks for watching;)
I must have missed an update, why are you starting with 2/3 cp at the beginning of the battle round?
In the latest generals handbook, the person taking 1st turn receives 1cp +1 for having their general on the battlefield. The person taking second turn receives 2 cp +1 for having their general on the battlefield. The person going second can also use "Andtorian Focus" to give an additional cp to a non wizard hero or grant a wizard hero an additional cast and unbind for the turn. All of these rules are the latest rules which can be found in General's Handbook 2023-24
Good Watch!
Thanks alot! We appreciate you watching our channel :)
I think in this ghb of a wizard perils its always a primal miscast whether they used primal dice or not
Primal mistcast only happen if using a primal dice "When a primal magic dice modifies a casting roll, if two or more of the dice in the casting roll and primal magic dice are 1s, the caster suffers a primal miscast instead of a miscast" hope this clears things up
Who do I cheer for here? The most boring Gary Stu villain ever written(Archaon) or the most generically powerful army to bring with Morathi Khaine and her bow-snakes? When in doubt, err on the side of three-headed dragon accompanied by models with the coolest armor in AoS. Go Archaon.
The redeploy by the Chaos Warriors resulting in a 6 and preventing the Shadow Queen's charge with Mindrazor, I think, won the game for Slaves, even if Archaon was tied up in combat only doing 3 damage a turn. But in all honesty, Archaon's main strength isn't sheer damage. It is the control he provides, and he fulfilled his role as expected, the highlight being the 5 Bravery roll against the 20 models he fought. Great match, gentlemen, and I'll rendezvous with you at the next battlefield.
Thank you for the comment, that for sure was the pivotal moment of the report, If it had worked for michael he would have been a hero living in glory forever sadly the redeploy command is a thing
Hi guys. For the future, you only score for activated objectives, so no "hold two" scoring in the first round.
we were only scoring activated objectives. Turn one michael was holding both actives objectives and then david basically held them for the rest of the game
Great video as always boys!! :))
Thank you so much Christine!
I swear Michael almost said "bared double cheeks" instead of "paired double blades" when the old models turned and they were cheeked up 💀
Little freudian slip there perhaps lol
@@BattleshockWargaming LOL
Maybe I missed it, but was the -1 to hit little Morathi factored in?
Yes this was accounted for.
Awesome! Love the reports guys. Just wish DoK would do better, hate seeing my girls get wrecked by a chump like Archaeon 😅
@@canadaborn1620 the current DOK collection we have is fairly limited so we cant do alot of variations in lists. DOK had the ability to win but with limited objectives and getting pinned by the big guy early on it made for a rough game for the Daughters
some where we can se the lists??
Lists are up at the beginning of army intros
@@BattleshockWargaming whas hoping for a whriten lists maybe putt em upp in the description as well :D
Those damn flies David!
I'm going to get one of those electric zappers and put it in the studio lol.
@@BattleshockWargaming good idea! Lol Gamemify that!
That's what happens when you give your warriors the mark of Nurgle...
Morathi is a 3 cast wizard
This is true! Either we forgot, or there just wasn't a 3rd cast that was appealing, thanks for watching 😉
I don't get why you showcase the dice in the battle report.
We like to show off the great dice that our partner Baron of Dice donates to the channel, and we have a dice cam which is a large part of our format :) Just something different vs 3rd person camera view throughout and is part of our personal style of content! Thanks for watching our channel and taking time to comment :)
@@BattleshockWargaming Ahhh! Thank you for explaining:)))))))
Morathi must be one of the worst nigthmare for Archeon, all that damage potential wasted on a 3 damage cap is terrible.
This is very true!
Love DoK ❤
We do also! Excited to unleash the blood crazed zealots in FOURTH BABY!!
You rolled a 6 with your armor saves for your sisters of slaughter so u bounce back a mortal on archaon
I even remembered this rule and we talked about it off camera right before the roll, and still forgot to bounce back that mortal
It definitely feels like both morathi should have gone into arch rather then just baby morathi. Rough battle for the boys
I agree, may have slowed scoring for the turn, but Archaon gone would have made rinsing the S2D quite a bit easier. Very cat and mouse game.
Snakes gonna win this one. Allthought i am Missing bloodsnake 🙂
Michael doesnt have any fighty snakes in the collections. DOK is due to get a channel expansion soon but we are trying to get all the factions represented on the channel first before expanding current collections.
Scoring 1 point is for controling more objectives than your opponent, not for more than 2. Pls guys, learn the rules finally
we are aware of this. Michael was holding both active objectives turn one. And i believe we only ever scored using the primary objectives.