What Happens When Synthetic Winch Line Breaks

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  • After almost 2 years of using this winch line that came with my Open Road 4WD Panther Series 2 winch, it needed to be replaced but I hadn't done it yet. On Pritchett Canyon after several hard winch pulls after suffering a broken u-joint, the rope snapped safely.
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  • @Grunttamer
    @Grunttamer Рік тому +338

    Yes finally got to see one break. The fact that the material doesn’t really stretch is the big key here. Anything that deforms before breaking is storing up dangerous energy to be released.

    • @bradarsenault6984
      @bradarsenault6984 Рік тому +5

      This is true only for elastic deformation. Plastic deformation stores very little energy.

    • @Grunttamer
      @Grunttamer Рік тому +1

      @@bradarsenault6984 tell that to a breaking chain…

    • @bradarsenault6984
      @bradarsenault6984 Рік тому +6

      @@Grunttamer ok. Chains and almost any metal under tension goes through elastic deformation before plastic and then failure

    • @wiciuwiciu2783
      @wiciuwiciu2783 Рік тому +4

      ​@@Grunttamer we're forging studs on rebars. Then we test it for tension.
      A 30mm one breaks so fucking loud and hard, it shakes a 2 tonne machine and half of a building.

    • @NarutoUzumaki-Nam
      @NarutoUzumaki-Nam Рік тому +2

      ​@@Grunttameru didn't listen in physics class now did u?

  • @JoseP-hj5zo
    @JoseP-hj5zo Рік тому +154

    You’ve convinced me on my next purchase

  • @JaredBusch
    @JaredBusch Рік тому +53

    synthetic can for sure snap back, but has no where near the energy that steel cable does

  • @ExpeditionaryJeep
    @ExpeditionaryJeep Рік тому +3

    This is exactly what I tell people. Comparing both a steel cable vs a synthetic cable with the same capacity is equal- but when a steel cable snaps, the steel cable has more force involved. Good job in sharing this video!

  • @nwwheeler465
    @nwwheeler465 Рік тому +43

    Synthetic line do NOT always just just fall harmlessly. They do store less energy than cable for sure.

  • @janagan
    @janagan Рік тому +35

    Great real world example, glad you got it on cam. Synthetic is the way to go it seems.

    • @kadmow
      @kadmow 5 місяців тому

      - just cary a splicing tool (and possibly a spare line - call it an extension rope)...

  • @Ed-oq7ot
    @Ed-oq7ot Рік тому +6

    Nice video and great point, I saw a video on UA-cam of some Australian mates and they were breaking steel cables to see what the impact would be and it wasn’t good. Go synthetic

  • @Mosko4x4
    @Mosko4x4 10 місяців тому +3

    Good footage.
    We use Synthetic for winch challenges here in Australia.
    It does whip back when wet or muddy, but definitely not at a life threatening pace.

  • @LostPineWoods
    @LostPineWoods Рік тому +20

    Great video. I have yet to see the sythetic line break, but it shows it worthyness in the eyes of safety.

    • @LostPineWoods
      @LostPineWoods Рік тому

      @toddcoon1730 hmmm little fucking rude. And quite frankly, i do. My winch line has yet to snap. I dont wheel with people i wheel alone, so i have yet to see one break. 🖕

  • @Keithostrangeman
    @Keithostrangeman Рік тому +20

    Synthetic ropes doesn’t always just drop like that. They do store some energy and have a slight recoil when it breaks under extreme tension. No where near the amount of stored energy from a cable wire winch rope but no matter what system your using should always use a dampener over your winch rope so there’s no chances of any spring back that may cause a winch hook to come flying back.

    • @stewartj3407
      @stewartj3407 Рік тому +1

      I have and old t shirt in the jeep just for this reason.

  • @Gator-357
    @Gator-357 Рік тому +2

    This is a great example of what happens when you don't maintain your equipment

  • @TealOxAdv
    @TealOxAdv Рік тому +10

    If you question how significant this is, watch a video of a steel cable breaking. I’ve seen it first hand (while on the job) and don’t ever want to experience it ever again. It will reach out and touch you. 😮

    • @richardpack4
      @richardpack4 Рік тому +2

      Not to mention if you have a chain hooked too.

  • @Pixx4you
    @Pixx4you Рік тому +1

    Anyone who has been nearby when a steel cable let go will appreciate this characteristic of synthetic winch line.

  • @DB-yj3qc
    @DB-yj3qc Рік тому +3

    News flash, funny. I switched to synthetic lines back in the late 90s. Everyone in the Jeep club was saying it was unsafe. The best thing I did was that and ditch the hook. I replaced it with a "Hammer Lock" link, so I had to use shackles to connect. I do still have a winch or two running a cable, but for seldom used ones that are exposed to the sunlight.

    • @JoshD4PREZ
      @JoshD4PREZ Рік тому

      Brilliant idea then no worry of the hook becoming a projectile

  • @nicholascheek7790
    @nicholascheek7790 Рік тому +23

    I've seen a chain on a frame machine break twice in my life. one went completely thru a car door and the other put a hole in cinderblock wall. Shit is terrifying

    • @jfanchier
      @jfanchier Рік тому +2

      Worked at a shop that pulled semi truck frames. Much larger chain. Got to see one go through the roof one time. No idea where it landed.

  • @MOB-Lee
    @MOB-Lee Рік тому +3

    That's so cool!! Thanks for sharing

  • @lyfandeth
    @lyfandeth 9 місяців тому +1

    That gentle fail reflects, I think, the specifics of how short the line was, how little the load/speed was, and a couple more points, not just synthetic failures in all cases.😅

  • @larrygoodsell9273
    @larrygoodsell9273 Рік тому +2

    Damn, that's nice. I'm convinced.

  • @justinmoore4088
    @justinmoore4088 Рік тому

    Great video, thanks for sharing!

  • @leerunez2424
    @leerunez2424 9 місяців тому +1

    As a crane inspector, I definitely say synthetic rope is far more safer than steel cable. When steel cable breakers under tension it can be very catastrophic if not deadly.

  • @nathanieljohnson4833
    @nathanieljohnson4833 Рік тому

    Yes! Very safe. Plus, it doesn't cut your hands when winding your winch line.

  • @mikeburnett160
    @mikeburnett160 Рік тому

    I've personally witnessed two different synthetic lines fail during recoveries. The first was an extension line that was connected to a Warn winch line with the Warn factory hook... it sent that hook flying about 70 feet in maybe 1/4 of a second. It slammed into the off road bumper on the winching vehicle, denting it severely - and then ricocheted another 25 feet straight sideways. The second occurrence was a winch line that failed at the crown of the metal thimble attached to a Factor 55 FlatLink. Fortunately nothing but the line itself went flying -- but it flew about 50 feet into the front of the winching vehicle so quickly that there was no time to react to it.
    All of that said, synthetic line 'is' significantly safer than traditional wire cable. But its not 'always' as innocuous as in this video. It can, and absolutely is, capable of causing serious injuries and must be respected.

  • @livingworkingoutsidebox
    @livingworkingoutsidebox Рік тому +1

    Thanks for sharing what a difference between steel and synthetic 👍🤙

  • @twva126
    @twva126 Рік тому

    Thanks for the video. I’ll never use steel cable,I’ve seen it go horribly bad one time and it’s not worth the risk.

  • @justinmoore4088
    @justinmoore4088 Рік тому

    Wow...just wow...no question going synthetic when the time comes.

  • @robertgarraway-144k
    @robertgarraway-144k 11 місяців тому +1

    Snow runner game is kicking my ass 😂

  • @andytieu604
    @andytieu604 Рік тому +1

    That is AWESOME!

  • @scoo73r
    @scoo73r 11 місяців тому

    @hownot2 does break tests of climbing and other adventure gear. He's has spent a lot of time testing the material used to make synthetic ropes and is a great source of knowledge

  • @christianfilloux
    @christianfilloux Рік тому +1

    Love this

  • @normangilden3453
    @normangilden3453 6 місяців тому

    Great information

  • @keithcerce8445
    @keithcerce8445 Рік тому

    Yup, seen many fail.
    Never seen a wire cable fail, only ball hitches

  • @berserkerusmc7613
    @berserkerusmc7613 Рік тому +1

    Wow. I had no idea that synthetic line did that when they break. This video totally changed my mind about them.

  • @stevesmith3556
    @stevesmith3556 Рік тому +7

    Synthetic IS much safer. They still hold an enormous amount of energy. That one didn't due to age lack of elasticity. Watch vids with new line.

  • @lesismorepowell5270
    @lesismorepowell5270 Рік тому

    That’s so nice and much safer omg !!!

  • @RamiroLundy
    @RamiroLundy Рік тому +1

    Correct! HMPE ropes are much safer.

  • @BIGGELATO
    @BIGGELATO Рік тому +4

    Missed opportunity to have an affiliate link dude or even your own rope/cable, would’ve sold out!

  • @Original_SJB
    @Original_SJB Рік тому

    Thanks for video love to.learn about synthetic rope

  • @byronlabelle7569
    @byronlabelle7569 Рік тому

    Excellent information thank you for sharing.

  • @jakesnake6007
    @jakesnake6007 Рік тому

    Wow that’s Awesome man, thanks. So much safer. I’m replacing my cable asap.

  • @bigjohn2048
    @bigjohn2048 Рік тому +3

    I am changing out to syn. for two reasons . The danger when wire breaks even with weighted bags but my biggest problem with wire is the constant un spooling on the drum. I get sick of having to unspool and respool a hundred feet of cable everytime I use the winch.

    • @tenskeeze
      @tenskeeze Рік тому

      Yessss bro 💯

    • @imchris5000
      @imchris5000 6 місяців тому

      dont free spool steel unless you plan to pull it all the way out always motor it out

  • @Ctvracingg
    @Ctvracingg 8 місяців тому

    I like standing right next to my cable line. Just gives me a good rush.

  • @peterdawes1868
    @peterdawes1868 Рік тому

    I must say, I was not so sure the synthetic rope was a good thing when I first swapped out the old steel wire cable. Because I have a 1994 HZJ 75 series Toyota Landcrusier "Troop carrier" that weighs about three tons fully loaded. After a few winch recoveries I was no longer worried about the rope handling the weight.

  • @JsGarage
    @JsGarage Рік тому

    They definitely don't always break like that but yeah much more safe than steel cable all day.

  • @Upstatenyoutdooradventures
    @Upstatenyoutdooradventures Рік тому

    Awesome to see

  • @zaldaim7043
    @zaldaim7043 Рік тому

    Awesome.

  • @repr26
    @repr26 Рік тому

    Fiber core steel winch also just drops when it breaks. But steel has a higher load rating, longer life and better abrasion resistance.

    • @RamiroLundy
      @RamiroLundy Рік тому +1

      Some HMPE ropes have higher ratings than Wire Rope. Depends on the type of hmpe.

  • @45acpbbb
    @45acpbbb Рік тому

    You just convinced to never us rope. I'll still use cable. Thx

  • @kick1574
    @kick1574 Рік тому

    It’s nice to finally see one break, but that trail didn’t look that bad should’ve made it up. No problem I can in my 85 blazer

    • @OzarkOverlandAdventures
      @OzarkOverlandAdventures  Рік тому +1

      😂😂 do you even know what trail this is? You can only see the front third of my Jeep. You can’t see the rear hanging off an undercut ledge.

  • @Outdoorsnmotors
    @Outdoorsnmotors Рік тому +4

    Yup, I broke my synthetic winch rope, and that’s what happened, cable is too dangerous

  • @velocity800
    @velocity800 5 місяців тому

    steel cable is still the ideal thing to use in winching

  • @OntarioFreshwaterFishing
    @OntarioFreshwaterFishing Рік тому

    They work good in dry environments, but are incredibly high maintenance up north, steel is still the go to where I’m from for good reason.
    Stay out of the triangle, get behind something solid. Don’t be dumb

    • @snowyowlz5992
      @snowyowlz5992 6 місяців тому

      Could you explain more in depth as to how steel cable is better than the synthetic rope in the colder climates? Just got my first jeep with winch and am planning on using my 65 CJ-5 as a hunting rig.

  • @paranormalwheelers
    @paranormalwheelers Рік тому

    Ya i had one faile on me on bald mountain in California

  • @richardshoat8711
    @richardshoat8711 Рік тому

    Yes very safe

  • @jimbobkirkwood828
    @jimbobkirkwood828 Рік тому

    Idk what was wrong with mine bro, but it definitely whiped when it broke😅

  • @marty0715yt
    @marty0715yt Рік тому

    And you can repair in the field

  • @2200Z
    @2200Z Рік тому

    Where I'll be going in a few weeks.

  • @timking2194
    @timking2194 Рік тому

    It doesn’t always just drop like that be careful

  • @thumperbangin2000
    @thumperbangin2000 11 місяців тому

    Good !!

  • @inverted311
    @inverted311 Рік тому

    Yeah if it has that dual battery setup that will fail next.... Leaves you stranded. So, bring some batteries with you as well. Worked service at a Dodge dealership and saw it almost daily. Give me a 20 year old H2 any day.

  • @venture.explore.discover
    @venture.explore.discover Рік тому +1

    Soooo much safer than steel cable….. wait, what?!? Sully needed to be winched?!?

  • @PensacolaHvac
    @PensacolaHvac Рік тому

    My grill from my 5 tie down straps I used to pull a stuck van slammed my custom royalty core grill I just installed

  • @tdub7998
    @tdub7998 Рік тому +3

    Safer when they break but they also break more often when used in an abrasion scenario like this.

  • @Christopher-vf6kx
    @Christopher-vf6kx Рік тому

    Oh the humanity! 😱

  • @PurpleNovember
    @PurpleNovember Рік тому

    .5:1 safety factor is fine.

  • @OhAncientOne
    @OhAncientOne Рік тому +1

    This looks like the place where they get all the fake Mars footage 🤔

  • @thedroopywanderer7016
    @thedroopywanderer7016 Рік тому

    broke a u joint! in a JEEP!!! NOW WAYYYY!!! never thought they had enough power to do that 😂

  • @robboat6269
    @robboat6269 Рік тому

    And when it does break tie a knot and keep going. Great stuff.

  • @Dive-Bar-Casanova
    @Dive-Bar-Casanova Рік тому +1

    I use Electrical Transmission Linemans synthetic line Brutally stronger than any the winch companies offer.

    • @bikeislife8405
      @bikeislife8405 Рік тому

      Mule tape!!

    • @grantdavis5992
      @grantdavis5992 Рік тому

      ​@@bikeislife8405mule tape that I have is just 2500 lbs break strength. I have seen wider with 3500 lb break strength. It is polyester. This synthetic winch line is Dyneema or its generic equivalent.

  • @mikhail2400
    @mikhail2400 Рік тому

    Damn that line was ALOT smaller than the syn. line I use. Its hard to tell but it looked no thicker than a pencil

  • @stevekight1955
    @stevekight1955 Рік тому +2

    Another Jeep breaking a part.

  • @tinkerne-round4079
    @tinkerne-round4079 Рік тому

    I've seen that synthetic melt to itself. it seems like a one time use item.

    • @OzarkOverlandAdventures
      @OzarkOverlandAdventures  Рік тому

      😂😂 yea sure. If that happened then someone was seriously overheating their winch.

    • @RamiroLundy
      @RamiroLundy Рік тому

      If synthetic is not spooled on winches under some pressure, they can appear to be melted together. Especially if the die is applied heavily. The flat spots on the drum can be kneeded and commonly goes back to normal.

  • @raginroadrunner
    @raginroadrunner Рік тому

    The oilfield winch trucks are the kings of winch work. You NEVER see synthetic rope used. Its all steel wire ....and for good reason.

  • @briangalloway3684
    @briangalloway3684 Рік тому

    When using a snatch block stay out of the 📐 of ☠️... even a synthetic line will take you out. It's not the lines fault usually a snatch block failure and the line just wants to be straight.

  • @mikeondabike420
    @mikeondabike420 Рік тому

    It may have dropped but steel wouldn't have failed from lack of spooning,and washing,and lack of sun block lol

  • @georgenicholai6089
    @georgenicholai6089 Рік тому

    Buy a Freedom winch line. They’re great.

  • @frankarchuleta5427
    @frankarchuleta5427 Рік тому

    A good chain wouldn’t have Brocken under such a light light load.

    • @OzarkOverlandAdventures
      @OzarkOverlandAdventures  Рік тому +2

      That load wasn’t light. My Jeep was caught on the control arm and wasn’t budging. The load was strong enough to break the winch line. 🤦🏼‍♂️

  • @dancearoundtheworld5360
    @dancearoundtheworld5360 Рік тому

    id overkill with the winch like to have that underworked line

  • @imchris5000
    @imchris5000 6 місяців тому

    dont get too comfortable around synthetic line depending on how the break happens it can still whip steel cable can also fail just like this video in the right conditions it does not mean it wont whip. everything thing about this is very dangerous so dont get comfortable these ropes are still new in the recovery world give it time and people will get killed. the same rope materials are used in the maritime industry and they have killed many sailors when they let go.

  • @jeffjackson1897
    @jeffjackson1897 Рік тому

    Not much ?

  • @Hunterbay872
    @Hunterbay872 11 місяців тому

    I prefer steel

  • @nocogarden
    @nocogarden Рік тому

    Oh they will slingshot just fine. But you barely had any off the spool.

  • @scroogehowsshehandle
    @scroogehowsshehandle Рік тому

    Dam farts have more kinetic energy than that rope

  • @rockie307
    @rockie307 10 місяців тому

    Another question to ask is what happens when your synthetic cable breaks when your in steep rocks and your ride rolls over down the mountain? Ive got both and will probably never buy synthetic again. Gets damaged to easy the sun, a tree, rocks, debris, sand. If you break a steel cable you did something really stupid. Ill take my chances with steel since i work in industrial plants ive got to use both synthetic is much easier to work with and handle but much easier to get damaged and kill you when whatever your lifting or winching falls. Theres a reason cranes use steel cable and never synthetic.

  • @bobpayne666
    @bobpayne666 Рік тому

    Steel would have held

  • @chrismc.893
    @chrismc.893 Рік тому

    So why do they always suggest using a dampener?

  • @joshualarsen2285
    @joshualarsen2285 Рік тому

    Safe, yet disappointing...

  • @mikenelson7130
    @mikenelson7130 Рік тому

    See them break all the time. Know what I haven’t seen break, steel cable

  • @OnefastAZfarmtruck
    @OnefastAZfarmtruck Рік тому

    But what do you do when you still need to get out. At least with a steel cable and a couple clamps you can still get our

  • @socaljarhead7670
    @socaljarhead7670 Рік тому

    I’ll continue using Swedish chains and just stay out of the way.

  • @sixpest
    @sixpest Рік тому

    Sure but A steel cable will never break compared to the trivial weight of a Wrangler
    The only down side to steel is that it stabs your hand

  • @pizzasteakphocheeseburgeri2965

    still a good idea to place a towel in mid line because safety

  • @vagabondmatt5152
    @vagabondmatt5152 Рік тому

    Do people still want steel lines?

  • @erikduerbeck4526
    @erikduerbeck4526 Рік тому

    Safe but it's not a winch line...I have a Warn 9000!
    Looks more like a weed Wacker line, just have bundles of it!

  • @kevinsenesac3187
    @kevinsenesac3187 Рік тому

    A lot of you tubers use freedom winch line

  • @Johndeere08
    @Johndeere08 Рік тому

    Ours broke the first time we used it and it sent hooks flying over 200 feet synthetic rope on an 8000 pound winch

  • @auduffer
    @auduffer Рік тому +1

    That's crazy! lol

  • @brucehalleran1149
    @brucehalleran1149 8 місяців тому

    m x v² = F
    (Not much) x less² = nobody dies

  • @300ddsrt3
    @300ddsrt3 Рік тому

    Pritchett canyon?

  • @SomeOne-ce1gf
    @SomeOne-ce1gf 5 місяців тому

    What strength line and winch

  • @jpdrummer86
    @jpdrummer86 Рік тому +1

    When you say old and needed to be replaced, how old are we talking? This is a topic that isn’t really covered, on how often the synthetic line should be replaced.

    • @OzarkOverlandAdventures
      @OzarkOverlandAdventures  Рік тому

      It's not about the age but how often and in what conditions it was used. I'm not easy on my stuff. Mine had been use a lot over 2 years in some very rough environments and I'm not good at cleaning it when I get home. It should have been replaced before this trip.