tip: in the case of tyre imbalance, if the shake is in the steering wheel; it's either one or both of your front wheels. if you can feel the shake in the brake pedal (not while braking, merely touching the pedal) it's most likely a rear tyre imbalance.
So well done -- THANK YOU! I am replacing two trailer tires and cannot pay a local vendor's high price (simple tire balance, nothing else). Looks quite easy.
The wheel's center of gravity (approx middle of the wheel) is far below the pivot point (where the rope touches funnel). Even if you put a half pound weight on one side of the tire it will not go down very much. You need to move the point where the rope attaches to the funnel down somewhere below the wheel's rim, and then your awesome homemade static balancer will become sensitive and function properly. Experiment with the exact position-- too low, and the tire will tip too easily; too high, and the tire won't tip enough. Good luck!
Ha! Thanks for this vid :). What I love about it is the simple concept behind it. Cool thing is that it can be improved by using basic tools and small cost and it works! :D. Great Job Seppo! Love how you present those little bits and tips for workshop use! :). I have some kind of inbalance in one wheel of my opel. Need to try this method :).
i have an idea... balance a wheel with this method and then check it with your new old Beissbarth Balancer..... would be very very interesting and great stuff for ur channel !!!! and i have an good ideal for you too to get rid of that cone.... take a long screw with a Hex Head or piece of wood put a Billardball on the top and on this Billardball you can put the rim... it will be perfect centered because of the shape of the Billardball. the long screw or wood have to have a very clean flat surface... try it it works wonders !
There is a tool that allows you to do this, which is basically a cone, that sits in the hub hole like your funnel, that balances on a pin on a base that is sat on level (hopefully!) ground, there are also smaller versions used for balancing lawnmower blades too... :)
Hi. The idea is great. But may I suggest an improvement to the method? You may dangle a string. Then connect the two ends of two other strings to the wheel knot holes, like a multiplication sign. Then connect the center of these two strings to the dangled string. This way, the wheel can easily move vertically, and the heavier side will completely go down and you'll notice it.
The concept of static balance is quite simple: The radial axis of a tire and rim assembly must be perpendicular to the horizon line, in all quadrants (plumb) when the tire and rim assembly is suspended horizontally by its exact center point (the location of the radial axis). In your video, you clearly demonstrate that you understand the concept, however it is quite clear that you do not realize the degree of accuracy required when establishing the parameters of this concept. That is to say, although the concept is simple, implementing it in a practical way that would yield meaningful results requires fairly accurate measurements, both to determine the exact point of the radial axis (within 1/1000"), and the exact degree of the tire rim assembly's horizontal plane (within 1 degree). If you do maintain that type of accuracy, you can balance a tire/rim assembly within 1/4 of an ounce. A rope, funnel and torpedo level can't possibly come close to achieving the accuracy required. If you actually did manage to balance the tire to any degree of accuracy with that equipment, it would be nothing but pure luck and non-repeatable. Even a broken watch would have more repeatable accuracy, as it is accurate twice a day. If you're interested in a method that meets the necessary accuracy required, check out this short: ua-cam.com/users/shortsMCqM9W_ph9A
What you've achieved is a static balance. Static balance is OK for skinny wheels, but does not work for the wide wheels generally found on modern cars. For most cars the only thing that will work is a dynamic balance, and that can't be done without an expensive machine.
Meget interessant - måske det er muligt at 3d printe en form for dækholder, som har nogle tapper som passer til hullerne på fælgen og et hul i midten til snoren. På den måde kan du nogenlunde sikre at snoren er centreret i forhold til fælgen. Blot en tanke :-) Og 3d print kan altså et eller andet, når en tanke skal konverteres til noget man kan have mellem fingrene.
If you are still interested in balancing tires, have a look at this video ua-cam.com/video/a4Ox_Emh7Ew/v-deo.html It doesn't work on all wheels, depends where the CG is. If you have to add a lot of weights, split them evenly (inside / outside) about the wheel CG to avoid dynamic imbalance. That will make the steering wheel shake.
@@SeasideGarage Great! That thing is supposedly notoriously bad :) Can't wait to see if you can turn it into a somewhat reliable vehicle! Leaks water during rain, badly welded body, awful gearbox, absolutely prone to rust... A perfect project car!.. ... I love it ;D
Vippepunktet må være i tyngdepunktet eller under. Med vippepunktet for høyt blir utslaget redusert. Med vippepunktet lavere enn tyngdepunktet blir utslaget mer nøyaktig
I’ve worked in a garage for 8 years while going to school, and I always wondered how tyres were balanced in the old days., without the fancy equipment. Regarding your new “hammer/plier”, it has a pointy bit which fits into a hole on the balancing weight (the hole is located on the thin bit, that holds the weight to the rim itself). The handle should then point away from the centre of the wheel, and then I think the rest makes sense :) Your method may work, but the wheel should be balanced outside and inside separately, it’s not enough to add the same amount to both sides of the rim, but maybe it’s good enough!
Thanks! Its not perfect, not perfect at all! But for old "simple" cars I think it will be alright actually.... For a more luxury car with wider wheels I dont think it will work good enough... :)
Combine with laser level! Make a horizontal plane few mm above the wheel. You can put some very light (e.g. plastic or paper) stands to visually see how far the laser is from a specific side. Update: saw the other video few minutes later. The guy uses laser level nicely: ua-cam.com/video/a4Ox_Emh7Ew/v-deo.html
@@SeasideGarage Hey, can you add a tip button to your videos yet? Also, if you do some live streams, people can contribute funds by hitting the SuperChat button, in the chat. Also, at some point, you can also add direct channel membership.
@@DetroitMicroSound I dont know about tip button... I will check that out... :) Membership is an option, but I have not turned it on yet.. :) Live chat! You guy would have to wait for ever for me to find the right words all the time! haha! ;)
Obvious flaw in this design.. the rope has to have fasten point closer to rim. Otherwise the top point of the cone is to powerful and will level the tire. If you cut the strut of the cone off, way down, then you would have better chance.
You would have take to consideration the offset of the rim. The fit point of rope has to be on zero offset plane. So if your offset is et25 then you have to have the fit point 25mm inward etc..
Just got my first puncture in 20 years so bought 2 new tyres balanced and all for 150euro. The annoying bit is that 4 wheel alignment is 50euro... what a rip off. That's Ireland for you😤
50€ is cheap, in Germany prices start at 80€. If you want a good alignment on a modern car, it can easily go up to 400€. Last time, the mechanic worked 5 h on my BMW... everything was rusty after 7 years.
@@lieberfreialsgleich my Kia is a relatively simple car, feels like a ripoff as wages are lower and it's an opportunity to get money from the customer whether tracking is needed or not.
This time I don’t agree wit you. This method is too crude. I have access to a proper balancing machine, and it is NEVER the same weight and location on the inside and the outside. It will never be vibration free. You can bring your wheels when you come to Als and pick up your next project car!
Its not perfect at all! But for narrow tires I think it would be ok... It could be a fun experiment to test of much this method is "Off" by testing it on a machine afterwards! :D The Als project is on its way soon I hope! ;)
tip: in the case of tyre imbalance, if the shake is in the steering wheel; it's either one or both of your front wheels. if you can feel the shake in the brake pedal (not while braking, merely touching the pedal) it's most likely a rear tyre imbalance.
The best part about your merhod is using very little resources and no electricity. Its back to basics. Nice one.
What a simple way of balancing wheels and it sort of worked the aproach is so simple
So well done -- THANK YOU!
I am replacing two trailer tires and cannot pay a local vendor's high price (simple tire balance, nothing else). Looks quite easy.
You are mad dude... And I just love that!
:D
The wheel's center of gravity (approx middle of the wheel) is far below the pivot point (where the rope touches funnel). Even if you put a half pound weight on one side of the tire it will not go down very much. You need to move the point where the rope attaches to the funnel down somewhere below the wheel's rim, and then your awesome homemade static balancer will become sensitive and function properly. Experiment with the exact position-- too low, and the tire will tip too easily; too high, and the tire won't tip enough. Good luck!
Ha! Thanks for this vid :). What I love about it is the simple concept behind it. Cool thing is that it can be improved by using basic tools and small cost and it works! :D. Great Job Seppo! Love how you present those little bits and tips for workshop use! :).
I have some kind of inbalance in one wheel of my opel. Need to try this method :).
Thanks! Good luck! Its pretty fun to experiment with!
i have an idea... balance a wheel with this method and then check it with your new old Beissbarth Balancer..... would be very very interesting and great stuff for ur channel !!!!
and i have an good ideal for you too to get rid of that cone.... take a long screw with a Hex Head or piece of wood put a Billardball on the top and on this Billardball you can put the rim... it will be perfect centered because of the shape of the Billardball. the long screw or wood have to have a very clean flat surface... try it it works wonders !
Good idea!
That was really cool!!
Thanks!
Love that Beissbarth machine.
There is a tool that allows you to do this, which is basically a cone, that sits in the hub hole like your funnel, that balances on a pin on a base that is sat on level (hopefully!) ground, there are also smaller versions used for balancing lawnmower blades too... :)
I just bought one ! :D
@@SeasideGarageWhat’s it called?
AMAZING!
Wow , you are a bloody genius man , I would never have thought to do that , excellent.
:D Not perfect, but fun!
Too much friction on the cone.
You need the wheel to be able to move like having a spike in the middle or a large ball in the middle of the wheel hole
The cone lies on a needle inside and got very little friction.
Hi. The idea is great. But may I suggest an improvement to the method? You may dangle a string. Then connect the two ends of two other strings to the wheel knot holes, like a multiplication sign. Then connect the center of these two strings to the dangled string. This way, the wheel can easily move vertically, and the heavier side will completely go down and you'll notice it.
i'm just at the start of the video but it's sound really optimistic this trumpet tube system for 10 grams ahah, love it
and it works .. brilliant :)
Its not perfect! But the theory seems to work... :)
nice old fiat panda :)
Thanks!
The concept of static balance is quite simple: The radial axis of a tire and rim assembly must be perpendicular to the horizon line, in all quadrants (plumb) when the tire and rim assembly is suspended horizontally by its exact center point (the location of the radial axis).
In your video, you clearly demonstrate that you understand the concept, however it is quite clear that you do not realize the degree of accuracy required when establishing the parameters of this concept. That is to say, although the concept is simple, implementing it in a practical way that would yield meaningful results requires fairly accurate measurements, both to determine the exact point of the radial axis (within 1/1000"), and the exact degree of the tire rim assembly's horizontal plane (within 1 degree). If you do maintain that type of accuracy, you can balance a tire/rim assembly within 1/4 of an ounce. A rope, funnel and torpedo level can't possibly come close to achieving the accuracy required. If you actually did manage to balance the tire to any degree of accuracy with that equipment, it would be nothing but pure luck and non-repeatable. Even a broken watch would have more repeatable accuracy, as it is accurate twice a day. If you're interested in a method that meets the necessary accuracy required, check out this short: ua-cam.com/users/shortsMCqM9W_ph9A
I used the rear hub, with the brakes loosened.
What you've achieved is a static balance. Static balance is OK for skinny wheels, but does not work for the wide wheels generally found on modern cars. For most cars the only thing that will work is a dynamic balance, and that can't be done without an expensive machine.
Meget interessant - måske det er muligt at 3d printe en form for dækholder, som har nogle tapper som passer til hullerne på fælgen og et hul i midten til snoren. På den måde kan du nogenlunde sikre at snoren er centreret i forhold til fælgen. Blot en tanke :-) Og 3d print kan altså et eller andet, når en tanke skal konverteres til noget man kan have mellem fingrene.
Det ville være smart!
En dag, så må jeg se nærmere på sådan en 3d printer... :)
If you are still interested in balancing tires, have a look at this video
ua-cam.com/video/a4Ox_Emh7Ew/v-deo.html
It doesn't work on all wheels, depends where the CG is. If you have to add a lot of weights, split them evenly (inside / outside) about the wheel CG to avoid dynamic imbalance. That will make the steering wheel shake.
Do you still have the buhanka? :)
Yes! :D
@@SeasideGarage Great! That thing is supposedly notoriously bad :) Can't wait to see if you can turn it into a somewhat reliable vehicle! Leaks water during rain, badly welded body, awful gearbox, absolutely prone to rust... A perfect project car!..
... I love it ;D
@@Anomalous-Plant its perfect for me! ;)
Vippepunktet må være i tyngdepunktet eller under. Med vippepunktet for høyt blir utslaget redusert. Med vippepunktet lavere enn tyngdepunktet blir utslaget mer nøyaktig
I’ve worked in a garage for 8 years while going to school, and I always wondered how tyres were balanced in the old days., without the fancy equipment.
Regarding your new “hammer/plier”, it has a pointy bit which fits into a hole on the balancing weight (the hole is located on the thin bit, that holds the weight to the rim itself). The handle should then point away from the centre of the wheel, and then I think the rest makes sense :)
Your method may work, but the wheel should be balanced outside and inside separately, it’s not enough to add the same amount to both sides of the rim, but maybe it’s good enough!
Thanks!
Its not perfect, not perfect at all! But for old "simple" cars I think it will be alright actually....
For a more luxury car with wider wheels I dont think it will work good enough... :)
@@SeasideGarage As long as it has reduced your vibration, it seems like it works! :)
Combine with laser level! Make a horizontal plane few mm above the wheel. You can put some very light (e.g. plastic or paper) stands to visually see how far the laser is from a specific side.
Update: saw the other video few minutes later. The guy uses laser level nicely:
ua-cam.com/video/a4Ox_Emh7Ew/v-deo.html
just put a cap full of BBs in side tire they say on you tube that works and you don't need weights.
I didn't need to know how to balance a wheel. I'm here anyway! 👋 ...Spin the wheel while on the rope, now.
:D
@@SeasideGarage Hey, can you add a tip button to your videos yet? Also, if you do some live streams, people can contribute funds by hitting the SuperChat button, in the chat. Also, at some point, you can also add direct channel membership.
@@DetroitMicroSound I dont know about tip button... I will check that out... :) Membership is an option, but I have not turned it on yet.. :)
Live chat! You guy would have to wait for ever for me to find the right words all the time! haha! ;)
Obvious flaw in this design.. the rope has to have fasten point closer to rim. Otherwise the top point of the cone is to powerful and will level the tire. If you cut the strut of the cone off, way down, then you would have better chance.
You would have take to consideration the offset of the rim. The fit point of rope has to be on zero offset plane. So if your offset is et25 then you have to have the fit point 25mm inward etc..
Just got my first puncture in 20 years so bought 2 new tyres balanced and all for 150euro. The annoying bit is that 4 wheel alignment is 50euro... what a rip off. That's Ireland for you😤
50€ is cheap, in Germany prices start at 80€. If you want a good alignment on a modern car, it can easily go up to 400€. Last time, the mechanic worked 5 h on my BMW... everything was rusty after 7 years.
@@lieberfreialsgleich my Kia is a relatively simple car, feels like a ripoff as wages are lower and it's an opportunity to get money from the customer whether tracking is needed or not.
In Denmark I was quoted 70 euros to balance (ONLY BALANCE) 4 tires... :O
good try
This time I don’t agree wit you. This method is too crude. I have access to a proper balancing machine, and it is NEVER the same weight and location on the inside and the outside. It will never be vibration free. You can bring your wheels when you come to Als and pick up your next project car!
Its not perfect at all! But for narrow tires I think it would be ok...
It could be a fun experiment to test of much this method is "Off" by testing it on a machine afterwards! :D
The Als project is on its way soon I hope! ;)