Thanks for showing us these alternative parts from time to time. It is good to know there a other venders out there trying to give the monopolies of tech some competition.
Wow, that motherboard seemed to be way better than expected, I was very surprised at the results. To be honest, for the price, it seems well worth the money, great for those of us who are more financially limited ;) Excellent stuff!!
Awesome to see! I just used this in my most recent all white build. I saw another review with someone who used a 5800x3d right out of the box. No bios update required. Extremely great value for an all white system. You could build a super low budget 1080p gaming system with this and be more than happy with plenty of upgrades in the future and like you said pcie 3.0 vs 4.0 is not a significant difference so no need to worry too much about losing too much performance. You could stay on this system for a good long while and not be sad about it
Literally the only chance you have of getting a white MB for a decent price. Will probably be getting one for a PC flip in a couple of months and make it a penguin build. Have a 5500 not doing anything and this MB supports 5000 series out of the box. There's no guarantee if you buy a new B550 board from a major manufacturer it will support the 5500 out of the box, let alone an X3D. Also, a lot of BIOSes on AM4 boards that predate the 5700X3D will support the CPU well enough to run but it won't boost. I don't think these boards were being sold until this year, i.e. after 5700X3D launch so they probably support those out of the box too. The only consumer GPU in existence powerful enough that you will lose performance running on PCIe 3.0 is the 4090. I would have zero qualms about putting a 5700X3D or 5800X3D on one of these boards because they don't draw much power and there is no point trying to OC one. I would still put some mini heatsinks on the MOSFETS for good measure and definitely would run it on a UPS for the most stable power delivery. I just upgraded to a 5700X3D on a Tuf Gaming B450 MB I've had for about 3 years. I have a RX6600 currently and expect to get a GPU upgrade or two out of the system before it is time for a new platform. Waiting for AM6, fully mature X3D CPUs and 10GT/s RAM.
@@Lurch-Bot Agreed! Honestly if playing at a high enough resolution you could probably run an x3d chip on this mobo with a 4070/80 and experience little to no bottlenecking on modern titles with little loss in performance.
So the fix for the CSM mode is this: You have to switch the GPU and everything else from legacy to UEFI first. Now save the bios, and reboot. Now go back into the bios and disable CSM. It takes two steps, but it does work!
That's the exact steps I took lol. I noticed my capture card was flicking in and out as well with CSM off. The GPU compatibility simply hasn't been programmed into it.
I found the same thing on an X99-PR9-H recently but was unable to disable CSM support for some reason; it would keep the machine from booting from NVMe. But that's got a hacked QM57 chipset and likely requires CSM to support the NVMe slot using USB 2.0 lanes. As such, couldn't get nvstrapsrebar to work with a 2060. Oh well. Built it to sell and that would have simply been a bonus. But I don't see why it wouldn't work on a B450 chipset, assuming it is genuinely a B450 chipset and not some hacked mobile chipset.
So some gpu compatibilitys are not programed into the bios? Did you try with any other gpu or just your 4090. Btw do you guys know if secure boot and tpm works fine? Im planing on using this motherboard for a budget Matx build for e-sport games. So im going to pair it with a 5600 and a rtx 3050 i have. But i need secure boot and tpm so i can play valorant and lol becuse vanguard requers that. :)
I have sold a few systems with this board. My 11 year old Roblox addict has been beating one the last couple months and it's been great. I only pair them with used 1000 and 2000 series CPUs and OEM only variants that don't have PCIe 4. I don't want to give that up in the long run just to save $40 on a build over a new name brand B550. I have a small MSP and repair shop so my builds are commissioned ahead of time, I'm not putting my own money out doing flips.
@JordosTechShack I go steps further, gave up MSP many years ago. I still do repair, over 30 years. For builds, I send them the parts list to purchase themselves. It's free configuration, I help them handle any warranty issues later too. I take a build fee when they bring in the components. Zero overhead, no dead stock, no customers bugging me waiting for parts to come in after they've paid.
@@drewnewby I'll never give up the MSP and pulling cables of any kind. I got 20+ years in at this point and not slowing down. I graduated high school already with my MCSE in Win/Server 2000. My tech teacher was a NYS licensed electrician so I apprenticed for him out of high school, was licensed and on my own with that trade by 25 (would have been licensed sooner but I lost some time when the army sent me to the sand box). My house is paid for and my shop is an Amish cabin on the property that's already paid for. So My overhead is a tenth of what my competition is, but I also don't charge less than they do either. If I won the lottery tomorrow and was a multi-millionaire. I would just have the largest MSP business in the area and just build more buildings on my 130 acres. I would probably give away a lot of gaming computers to not have to pay as much tax on all that money, but I would never retire or go part time till I die.
In my experience, if they are working when you get them, these cheap boards tend to last a long time, meaning they aren't really cheap, just 'inexpensive'. And they use some salvaged components, which keeps the cost down. As far as only using Zen and Zen+ chips on them, people buying a budget PC usually aren't going to care about PCIe 4.0. A 4090 is literally the only consumer GPU in existence that will lose performance running on PCIe 3.0x16 and someone buying a budget Ryzen system will likely upgrade to a less powerful, used GPU down the line, if they even upgrade the GPU at all. Most people who buy a budget gaming PC will simply buy another budget gaming PC in a few years. As someone who does flip PCs, one or two at a time, it is tough to make a profit and $40 could make the difference between whether or not I make a reasonable profit on a build. I only sell on Jawa because I don't want the stress of in-person sales. Not interested in getting shot over a PC trying to sell on CL. Maybe if I lived in a small town I might sell locally but my city is dangerous. I once had some people follow me home from a bar and attempt a home invasion robbery. Not only would I prefer to never have to shoot someone again, I'd rather not get shot again or have to deal with the cops afterwards.
That was a nice price you showed on the 5700X3D. I only bought mine last month and paid £189.99 for it, which was a small window price drop for most UK retailers as the price seems to be staying close to full retail since the announcement that supplies of the 5800X3D are drying up. Thank you for the tip about the Infinity Fabric - I will look at my Asrock B550 Pro4 tonight - I'm running 32GB (4x 8GB) Corsair Vengeance 3200 and had to enable XMP to get it up from the default 2133 - but I didn't know about matching the Infinity Fabric, so I will check.
Yeah, let's not discuss pricing of the 5800X3D. I just bought one for my husband for Christmas since supplies are getting short. I had not quite intended to have to give up a kidney, but here we are. In retrospect, maybe I should have simply bought him a new motherboard and a 7800X3D. Well, there's always next year and partial liver donations.
I really enjoyed this video and the fact that this MB past the TechYes Sub 50$ challenge. Not gonna lie there was some suspens lol and I enjoyed that this cheap mb is doing the job (who wouldn't ?)
Depends what youre buying. Some things being scams like fake hdd that plague the internet or like i saw the other day a $20 "laptop" lmao but yeah there are genuine products from china and used market. Just read the reviews on products and exercise common sense :D
Just use you head. I purchased countless adapters, cables, random small electronics and audio gear. If I had to report a failure rate it's less than 7%. Even many of the sketchiest things I got still run. Avoid garbage front page promos and those garbage 3 choice items crap. Many sellers offer custom work like patches, mousepads and stickers.
@@Jensen761 yeah the scam items are just bad. I don't typically consider those to be electronics that might be tricky to get working at least semi competently.
I live in the US southwestern desert region and I am still using AC some in late October. Really only 2 months out of the year I have to use heat at night. It is really only just starting to cool off here. Only about 21C today but a couple days ago it was 36C. And during the middle of summer, it routinely gets up to 40C or more and I have seen it get as hot as 51C in the couple decades I've lived in the desert. Really not fun driving in that without AC, let alone without AC in your home. People actually die sometimes from heat waves because not everyone has AC, just a simple evaporation cooler which, beyond a point, just turn your home into a sauna.
I really enjoy this cheap pc parts video. Also can I ask how did you do the sound test? I would like to replicate it and test some of my audio interfaces lying around.
Hey man. I been watching for years. You might not be the biggest channel but I think you more real tech guy not like alot on YT that don't get that gamers are sometimes poor lol. loved your old x58 Thanks for motivating me and others. Listen brother have you tested the H81 asus boards with E3 12xx v3 they really good value and guess what you can stick two 16gb ddr3 Server sticks in there for dirt cheap cause the mem controller on the cpu. Even higher boards like x97/z97 but i think for pure bang for bucks its a h81 board and a e3 1270v3. I am sure v4 could work cause they the same socket but didn't try that yet. the e3 1275v3 has gpu onboard.
nah 10$ more for x79 like 2670v2/2690v2is way better even tho lack somw instructions or 25$ for x99 bcuz the cpu on old below gen7 have multicore problems if u like 90%+ load game only sure ig, with multitask tho nah
I'm curious if you put some small generic heat-sinks on the vrm would it perform much better. I have a massive bag of small heat-sinks that I've used a wide variety of electronics. Seems like a great way to make this board last longer.
I built an all white PC not too long ago using a machinist mobo that was all white, but it was an LGA socket for the intel xeon CPUs. It was ddr3 mobo and it was like $67. Crazy how the same company sells a newer mobo for less $. I did buy the one I got on eBay. But it still performed great none the less. Sold that pc for $600 for just the tower. Had about $500 in it. All brand new parts.
It looks like Soyo, Kyo, or Maxsun. I also use cheap Chinese mobo B450m and A520M. They are actually enough for our daily work, but the Bios, yes, it's weird.
Soyo and Maxsun is same vendor, most other Chinese brands made by OEM factory Soyo and Maxsun have about same build qualtuy but a lot better BIOS and updates support
If you think that's weird, have a look at a Machinist X99-PR9-H board sometime. E5-1650 v3 and v4 perform like a Ryzen 1600 and 2600, respectively. The MB has a QM57 chipset which is a first gen mobile chipset. I could not disable CSM because then the PC wouldn't boot. They are obviously using USB 2.0 channels for the NVMe support but somehow a Crucial P3 still runs at its full potential. The chipset must be using 8 of the 14 USB 2.0 channels for the NVMe slot. At least the B450 MBs just use regular old B450 chipset. They likely buy huge lots of RMA'd MBs from the major manufacturers and salvage the major chips from them -chipset, audio, LAN. May also salvage from old workstations too. This is how they keep the price down. That, and skimping on things like VRM stages and heatsinks. You can just buy a pack of mini heatsinks and thermal glue from Amazon and stick them on the MOSFETS to help keep them cool.
Was just looking at this board and it comes at around 59 euro delivered ... but our local PC shop has B450 boards from Asus at the same price lol. Good thing I live very close to the best PC shop in the Netherlands.
@@SoranPryde In the US it seems like there isn't enough B450 MB stock left to get them at that price. Amazon doesn't even stock them anymore. Would have to buy from a third party seller and at an inflated price, just like all older PC components when stock dwindles. Some people probably think you need a B450 MB if you are running anything older than 5000 series. Seeing the same thing with the 5800X3D. And will see the same with the 5700X3D soon. In another year, it is probable the only sensible way to build an AM4 machine will be with used parts. Apart from a couple exceptions (RX6600, RTX 3050 6GB) most last gen GPUs are now going for higher new prices than they are worth.
@@ArtisChronicles And here in the US, I'd have to drive a 1200mi round trip to go to my nearest Micro Center. That's like driving from Amsterdam to Warsaw to do your PC shopping.
@@wayland7150 A520 MBs are a cheaper alternative for people who don't want to overclock. Putting a 5700X3D on an A520 board actually makes sense because you'll get the same performance and you can't really OC an X3D enough for it to be worthwhile. You'll also get a better MB for the price. A520 Tuf Gaming Plus Wi-Fi vs Prime B550 for $90. The answer is a no-brainer. Can't get much extra performance out of a regular 5000 series chip by overclocking because the boost profiles have just gotten too good at extracting maximum performance.
@@Lurch-Bot You've not explained why a an A520 is better than a B450. B450 for me because you can start with any AM4 CPU and upgrade to an X3D later. You can't do that with an A520.
I have used this exact motherboard for a pc flip with a ryzen 5 5500, 16gb ddr4 3200mhz ram and rx 5700xt and it was awesome! only problem i found was that there was no xmp. I just couldn't find the setting.
I have been flipping pc's with a the Machinist x99 mobos and not had any complaints, my personal rig is also on a Machinist mobo, they have some quirks like temperature and bios settings but tend to be really good quality for the price, flipped at least 10 to friends and family and not a single issue for a few years now
I've got 2 of these in the past 2 months for all white entry level builds. I also get the 5600 cpu for 80 bucks from ali express to add into it. Perfect for a new pc gamer or fortnite/roblox gamer
just used two of these in a few budget systems for buddies. They performed really nice, even averaging better cpu benchmarking scores than the same chip on a different board i had. I think its due to how physically short the traces for the memory dimns are
I used some noname mainboard in the past around 2000 and one vítal feature failed after heavy daily usage in maybe 2 years. But to be fair there were also 2 brand mainboards later which failed similar way (one with dead onboard audio and other one with dead onboard Ethernet, both some way able to overcome with external HW, but still similar quality to noname). I believe all PC components quality no matter whether brand or noname has improved significantly over time. 👍 👉 Disabling CSM on my brand B460M mainboard also makes chaos in my nvnme boot drives sequence, going for next to cpu socket nvme slot 1st. But I have practically no issues having CSM enabled and boot on my bigger newer nvme3.0 from 2nd nvme slot. 👈
Last year I got lucky and brought a Soyo Sy-B450 classic board and it is another no frills b450 board for less than $40. Worked fine with my spare Ryzen 2600x left from a cpu upgrade.
That was an excellent review. You really dove deep into that Mobo! I'm impressed. Not really sure I'd be satisfied with the board pods running at 80 C+ constantly. Personally, I have no inclination to purchase any kind of PC components from Aliexpress, actually I really wouldn't buy anything from them or TEMU or Amazon or any of the other Chinese "dump" sites but I have to admit that board wasn't a total waste of money! Surprising!
bought one of those a while back, No complaints, it's getting the job done with the Ryzen 5 4600G I paired it with, original motherboard and cpu died in the machine I used it in, power supply and ram were OK, CPU wouldn't work on this board, and the 4600G wouldn't work on the original motherboard. I looked the board over and it didn't have any detectable damage, avoid asrock B550 motherboards, this was a powerspec pc we bought several of from microcenter about 3 years ago, only have one left, the others all experienced motherboard / cpu issues.
Given that I recently got a DOA Machinist X99 MB, it is a good idea to order from sellers based in your own country on eBay or Amazon. Getting your money back from AliExpress is a PITA. Since I have a 5500 that isn't doing anything, I was thinking about buying one of these boards for a future budget build to sell. The VRM setup looks very similar to that found on my Jginyue X79 which should be fine for a 5500. Probably not OK with a 5950X. I'd still be putting some mini heatsinks on the MOSFETS. The reason these are so cheap (and don't have crap audio) is because they use recycled chips. They likely buy bad MBs that have been RMA'd from major board makers and pull and test the chipset, audio chip, LAN controller, and reuse them if they are good. Similar to how Soyo pulls GPU dies from worn out mining GPUs and puts them on new boards.
Hi thanks for your clip really appreciate the time and effort you've put in. Curious about 2 things. 1) IF i have DDR4 3200 should i manually set my infinity fabric to 1600? 2) I see some advertisements for the 5700X 3D with 100mb of cache while others say 96mb. Im of the understanding the 96mb is actual amount but is there another version of the 5700x 3D I recall seeing this 100mb early on in the 5700X 3D launch. Although the 5700X 3D was released after the 5800X 3D, I always thought it was random it would "be advertised" as or even have 100mb.
Back in the day I had a few machinist boards with Intel 2011 sockets. They were fine. Granted I didn’t run them hard (just some VM servers running 2697v2s that weren’t pushed particularly hard).
I grabbed a Machinist x99 mr9a pro board a few months back with a xeon E2640 and 16GB ram for around $150. Aside from a few usb port issues, the boards been pretty solid. Yet to up to a beefer cpu, and theres a custom bios out for it which opens up more options. Still, would look to grab another.
I build enough budget systems, I would like to mess with these, but there's concern, just like with mini PCs, what is coded in the firmware / UEFI kernel, SMM, ME.
I looked it up it's about the same price if not a few cents more than a Asrock B450m-HDV R4.0 which I can pick up from a online retailer which conveniently has it's main warehouse+store on my way to work. These two boards seem of similar quality and then I'd rather take the one I can get right now without having to wait but for everyone else this is probably a good alternative.
I run a maschinist x99 pr9 MB with an e5 2667v3 and turbo boost unlocked. I put an Xbox fan right over the vrm (which at least has a heatsink). Got that mb + cpu + 32gig server ram for 70€. As much as I'd like a ryzen system, x99 is the value king.
~$250 platform let's go. Like this + 5700X3D + 32g should be right about there. Stack a decent PSU and a cheapo gen 3 SSD into it and let the rest of your budget go to the video card. So long as you avoid the 4060/x600 PCIe hole, it'll perform on par with literally any of the "new" systems for gaming, while putting you a full tier higher on GPU by way of cost savings... Even against like a MicroCenter 7600X combo where most of the AM5 platform costs kinda disappear.
A PCIe 4.0X8 GPU runs fine on PCIe 3.0. Absolutely zero performance loss. The only consumer PCIe 4.0 GPU (not counting those stupid 4.0x4 ones) that will lose performance on 3.0 is the 4090.
@@Lurch-Bot It really isn't zero. It's mostly not world ending, but something around 10% isn't uncommon. Gen 3 x16 isn't restrictive to much of anything, but Gen 3 x8 is slow enough that it can indeed cause issues. Especially on cards that also happen to have comically weak memory configurations.
Machinist actually makes some motherboards for Colourful in China they just take the motherboards made for Colourful puts it in a Machinist box with a back-plate and Sata Cable then sells it online for cheaper they actually have B660 and B760 motherboards as well and they work just fine even on a 12700K and a 13600K I won't use anything higher than those in them though as the VRM's gets toasty but they work mighty well for the price I can actually get a B760 Board for around 35$ on a sale in Lazada right now.
Yeah but why would anyone choose intel for a gaming PC build? A 5700X3D outperforms any i7 or Ultra 7 in gaming. In a lot of games, it even beats a 14900K. Intel CPUs have been a hot mess for the past few generations and I wouldn't be running them with a minimalistic VRM setup. intel has a long way to go before I'll ever consider buying another intel CPU, even for productivity.
@@Lurch-Bot look the common folk still prefers to buy Intel were not talking about gaming here just cause we all know better does not mean most people do and due to the release of arrow lake and the whole degradation issue Intel's prices have gone down immensely you can buy an i3 13100 for 80$ and pair it with a 35$ motherboard and you get a decent budget build that you can then up sell.
I bought two aorus b450 elite motherboards from 2 separate sellers for an average of $50. There are a lot of AM4 motherboards going for cheap right now everyone is going AM5. Got some 5700X3Ds to go with them.
Please do a similar video but with AM5 motherboards, I wanna see how low budget can we go with a ryzen 8600G/8700G with also 2x8gb DDR5 6000mhz cheapo ram brands and 512gb/1tb cheapo nvme gen4 ssd drive. Thanks and more power to your channel Mr. Yes Man!
Hey Brian, i would love to hear your thoughts on PCIe gen 3 vs 4 since it seems like even a 4090 can't use all the bandwidth, how long do you think it take for PCIe gen 3 to become a bottleneck.
there is a very old video bryan made about that, and gamers nexus made one tooo but many years ago if there are more than 8 lanes, you will be fine, the problem is when you have less than 8 lanes of pci express 3.0
Where I live, You can get good brands B450 for 50, without waiting for delivery, just go to a store and get it. No point in Ali for that (use one only for something that is not avalible, like DDR2 memory or something like that)
It’s either this B450M board from Machinist or the Soyo Classic, at least back when I still bought them. Though I much prefer the latter in terms of how they look lol
Greetings from overseas. I love your videos, you seem to be a good guy. I focus on you for information on "Lostech" ;-) I always love your videos on older generation stuff and how it performs in modern scenarios. Keep it up! I wish you good helath and good people around you, the rest will come from there.
I broke down and bought one when I was ordering some cheap ARGB splitters and controllers and got it for $40 US plus tax. I think I got a discount for being a first time customer. I tested it with a 5600G (was not sure if it would work with an APU) and it booted. I plan on using either a Ryzen 5500 or 5600 with it unless I can get a good price on a used 3600. It is PCIE3 unless I am mistaken.
glad to see this, got one of these on the way just making cheap all white solarium build with 2600 , and rx 580sp, basically lots of looks but entry level performance for about 350$ , got a white rx 5600 could use instead but generally i dont mix 4th gen in with stuff cant make use of it, im told often as long as its a X16 pcie card it dont matter much, and be concerned , just feels im leave money on the table that buyer might be better putting to a rtx 20 series down the road, does anyone think the little white b450 would hold for rtx 2080ti
Did you notice low voltages on HWINFO? Most Chinese boards (Machinist, Jingyue and so on) always get very low 12V value (between 5 and 8 for me). Is it a sensor error or is there something I'm missing?
Not being able to use the video card properly without legacy boot enabled is rather concerning. Myself I'd rather see it with EFI support only. nothing with modern driver support as far as I'm aware should have any issues booting with EFI. There's also the possibility ReBAR is more important (or you decide for some reason to use an intel GPU) in the future.
@@malachkah Maybe. I live in such a place but budget brand mobos are still fairly priced. Like AsRock b450 mobos start at 60$, b550 at 80$. And due to VAT and shipping getting stuff from Ali is *more* expensive.
@@MEMETIZER that is true, but i bet they use same quality used on asrock, so, it wont be that bad, just normal bad imagine what quality was that 3 phase vrm motheboard without heatsink used on that 16 cores i mentioned you can check the video, is from oztalkshw from like 3 years ago it is not a good idea, but it works, barely, but it does you want a bad quality vrm using crappyest mosfets? buy a dell prebuilt, those are known to end burned remember the fiasco, not sue if it was dell or hp where intel cpus used for office and similar stuff just dying and the company telling the customers it was the math calculations burning the pcs? it was mosfets and capacitors exploding, but they had to come up with some crap, low quality parts are everywhere
if the BIOS has no undervolting options, you can do that in Windows with PBO2 Tuner - TYC has a video about that. thanks ofc I still prefer my ASRock Steel Warrior board :)
Looks like an B450 from ONDA. 😅 where you need to manually set the XMP parameters and the BIOS GUI is the same. The one I bought months ago from MACHINIST for a video review like this one was the MACHINIST B660 Windwalker DDR4, still, the video pending for later.
I was watching this exact motherboard on Aliexpress for weeks. I have a spare 3700X and I was thinking about building a cheap PC with with some LED lights to sell for a little profit.
Not sure what you can get or not from Australia,but there's Asus Prime B450M-K II for €52.90 on amazon,so i really don't see the point in buying some unknown mobo for almost the same amount. For comparison this unknown am4 mobo would cost me 49,39 vs Asus Prime B450M-K II for €52.90,yeah it makes no sense.
@@79huddy that is a option, but it would be necesary to use that thermal glue, because i dont see a way to screw or tie the heatsinks there so it doesnt fall off
I tried some of these boards, they all have a hodgepodge bios and many of the hardware drivers are hacked and show up as unknown by windows, though they do work and are cheap as chips.
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Chipset doesn't have E on it. That means it's not expensive because the E stands for expensive.
lol
Wait, did you just leak a B450E release?
@@techyescitypart of AMD's master plan to support AM4 until the heat death of the universe
@@theminec there are leaks that are saying they might have a 5500X3D but havent released yet
@@techyescity in 3-4 month. these cheap boards can die soon, can harm people and and ,,,be carefull
Here in China, this board is selling for 305yuan(43USD), so they charged 4 dollar more for shipping, which is fair I think
That's actually not bad at all! Thanks for the info!
@@techyescity Thank you for your great review, sir!
@@ChengsHardware how you got access the youtube in china?
@@Daodat5656 VPN obviously.
It’s 43 now lol
Thanks for showing us these alternative parts from time to time. It is good to know there a other venders out there trying to give the monopolies of tech some competition.
A pc Builder on marketplace put me onto this boards 4 or 5 months back and it's been great for my sister's build.
Wow, that motherboard seemed to be way better than expected, I was very surprised at the results. To be honest, for the price, it seems well worth the money, great for those of us who are more financially limited ;) Excellent stuff!!
Awesome to see! I just used this in my most recent all white build. I saw another review with someone who used a 5800x3d right out of the box. No bios update required. Extremely great value for an all white system. You could build a super low budget 1080p gaming system with this and be more than happy with plenty of upgrades in the future and like you said pcie 3.0 vs 4.0 is not a significant difference so no need to worry too much about losing too much performance. You could stay on this system for a good long while and not be sad about it
Literally the only chance you have of getting a white MB for a decent price. Will probably be getting one for a PC flip in a couple of months and make it a penguin build. Have a 5500 not doing anything and this MB supports 5000 series out of the box. There's no guarantee if you buy a new B550 board from a major manufacturer it will support the 5500 out of the box, let alone an X3D.
Also, a lot of BIOSes on AM4 boards that predate the 5700X3D will support the CPU well enough to run but it won't boost. I don't think these boards were being sold until this year, i.e. after 5700X3D launch so they probably support those out of the box too.
The only consumer GPU in existence powerful enough that you will lose performance running on PCIe 3.0 is the 4090. I would have zero qualms about putting a 5700X3D or 5800X3D on one of these boards because they don't draw much power and there is no point trying to OC one. I would still put some mini heatsinks on the MOSFETS for good measure and definitely would run it on a UPS for the most stable power delivery.
I just upgraded to a 5700X3D on a Tuf Gaming B450 MB I've had for about 3 years. I have a RX6600 currently and expect to get a GPU upgrade or two out of the system before it is time for a new platform. Waiting for AM6, fully mature X3D CPUs and 10GT/s RAM.
@@Lurch-Bot Agreed! Honestly if playing at a high enough resolution you could probably run an x3d chip on this mobo with a 4070/80 and experience little to no bottlenecking on modern titles with little loss in performance.
So the fix for the CSM mode is this: You have to switch the GPU and everything else from legacy to UEFI first. Now save the bios, and reboot. Now go back into the bios and disable CSM. It takes two steps, but it does work!
That's the exact steps I took lol. I noticed my capture card was flicking in and out as well with CSM off. The GPU compatibility simply hasn't been programmed into it.
I found the same thing on an X99-PR9-H recently but was unable to disable CSM support for some reason; it would keep the machine from booting from NVMe. But that's got a hacked QM57 chipset and likely requires CSM to support the NVMe slot using USB 2.0 lanes. As such, couldn't get nvstrapsrebar to work with a 2060. Oh well. Built it to sell and that would have simply been a bonus.
But I don't see why it wouldn't work on a B450 chipset, assuming it is genuinely a B450 chipset and not some hacked mobile chipset.
So some gpu compatibilitys are not programed into the bios? Did you try with any other gpu or just your 4090. Btw do you guys know if secure boot and tpm works fine? Im planing on using this motherboard for a budget Matx build for e-sport games. So im going to pair it with a 5600 and a rtx 3050 i have. But i need secure boot and tpm so i can play valorant and lol becuse vanguard requers that. :)
Used this exact motherboard for a budget banger Ryzen 2600 + GTX 1660 build and was very pleasantly surprised. Also the white PCB is pretty awesome
I have sold a few systems with this board. My 11 year old Roblox addict has been beating one the last couple months and it's been great. I only pair them with used 1000 and 2000 series CPUs and OEM only variants that don't have PCIe 4. I don't want to give that up in the long run just to save $40 on a build over a new name brand B550. I have a small MSP and repair shop so my builds are commissioned ahead of time, I'm not putting my own money out doing flips.
@JordosTechShack I go steps further, gave up MSP many years ago. I still do repair, over 30 years. For builds, I send them the parts list to purchase themselves. It's free configuration, I help them handle any warranty issues later too. I take a build fee when they bring in the components. Zero overhead, no dead stock, no customers bugging me waiting for parts to come in after they've paid.
@@drewnewby I'll never give up the MSP and pulling cables of any kind. I got 20+ years in at this point and not slowing down. I graduated high school already with my MCSE in Win/Server 2000. My tech teacher was a NYS licensed electrician so I apprenticed for him out of high school, was licensed and on my own with that trade by 25 (would have been licensed sooner but I lost some time when the army sent me to the sand box). My house is paid for and my shop is an Amish cabin on the property that's already paid for. So My overhead is a tenth of what my competition is, but I also don't charge less than they do either. If I won the lottery tomorrow and was a multi-millionaire. I would just have the largest MSP business in the area and just build more buildings on my 130 acres. I would probably give away a lot of gaming computers to not have to pay as much tax on all that money, but I would never retire or go part time till I die.
In my experience, if they are working when you get them, these cheap boards tend to last a long time, meaning they aren't really cheap, just 'inexpensive'. And they use some salvaged components, which keeps the cost down.
As far as only using Zen and Zen+ chips on them, people buying a budget PC usually aren't going to care about PCIe 4.0. A 4090 is literally the only consumer GPU in existence that will lose performance running on PCIe 3.0x16 and someone buying a budget Ryzen system will likely upgrade to a less powerful, used GPU down the line, if they even upgrade the GPU at all. Most people who buy a budget gaming PC will simply buy another budget gaming PC in a few years.
As someone who does flip PCs, one or two at a time, it is tough to make a profit and $40 could make the difference between whether or not I make a reasonable profit on a build. I only sell on Jawa because I don't want the stress of in-person sales. Not interested in getting shot over a PC trying to sell on CL. Maybe if I lived in a small town I might sell locally but my city is dangerous.
I once had some people follow me home from a bar and attempt a home invasion robbery. Not only would I prefer to never have to shoot someone again, I'd rather not get shot again or have to deal with the cops afterwards.
Thank you sooooooo much I’ve been waiting for a video about this motherboard!
That was a nice price you showed on the 5700X3D. I only bought mine last month and paid £189.99 for it, which was a small window price drop for most UK retailers as the price seems to be staying close to full retail since the announcement that supplies of the 5800X3D are drying up.
Thank you for the tip about the Infinity Fabric - I will look at my Asrock B550 Pro4 tonight - I'm running 32GB (4x 8GB) Corsair Vengeance 3200 and had to enable XMP to get it up from the default 2133 - but I didn't know about matching the Infinity Fabric, so I will check.
Yeah, let's not discuss pricing of the 5800X3D. I just bought one for my husband for Christmas since supplies are getting short. I had not quite intended to have to give up a kidney, but here we are.
In retrospect, maybe I should have simply bought him a new motherboard and a 7800X3D. Well, there's always next year and partial liver donations.
I really enjoyed this video and the fact that this MB past the TechYes Sub 50$ challenge. Not gonna lie there was some suspens lol and I enjoyed that this cheap mb is doing the job (who wouldn't ?)
Thanks for this review. I've seen this board for 47 USD scrolling through items but wasn't sure how it would perform.
Fascinating. I thoght Ali-Express electronics were not usable at all. Thanks for keeping up the good work.
Depends what youre buying. Some things being scams like fake hdd that plague the internet or like i saw the other day a $20 "laptop" lmao but yeah there are genuine products from china and used market. Just read the reviews on products and exercise common sense :D
@@Jensen761yeah I’ve bought loads of things from there and they have been solid, just use common sense like any other online marketplace
Just use you head. I purchased countless adapters, cables, random small electronics and audio gear. If I had to report a failure rate it's less than 7%. Even many of the sketchiest things I got still run. Avoid garbage front page promos and those garbage 3 choice items crap.
Many sellers offer custom work like patches, mousepads and stickers.
It's a mixed bag. Some are very usable and some are... Tricky at best.
@@Jensen761 yeah the scam items are just bad. I don't typically consider those to be electronics that might be tricky to get working at least semi competently.
i needed thi review thanks a lot
Enjoied watching the video from Dubai :) , we usually use AC in summer all the time so I think it's ok also
I live in the US southwestern desert region and I am still using AC some in late October. Really only 2 months out of the year I have to use heat at night. It is really only just starting to cool off here. Only about 21C today but a couple days ago it was 36C. And during the middle of summer, it routinely gets up to 40C or more and I have seen it get as hot as 51C in the couple decades I've lived in the desert. Really not fun driving in that without AC, let alone without AC in your home. People actually die sometimes from heat waves because not everyone has AC, just a simple evaporation cooler which, beyond a point, just turn your home into a sauna.
I really enjoy this cheap pc parts video. Also can I ask how did you do the sound test? I would like to replicate it and test some of my audio interfaces lying around.
Bought one of these exact brand and it's beautiful for a cheap am4 motherboard
Hey man. I been watching for years. You might not be the biggest channel but I think you more real tech guy not like alot on YT that don't get that gamers are sometimes poor lol.
loved your old x58 Thanks for motivating me and others.
Listen brother have you tested the H81 asus boards with E3 12xx v3 they really good value and guess what you can stick two 16gb ddr3 Server sticks in there for dirt cheap cause the mem controller on the cpu. Even higher boards like x97/z97 but i think for pure bang for bucks its a h81 board and a e3 1270v3.
I am sure v4 could work cause they the same socket but didn't try that yet. the e3 1275v3 has gpu onboard.
nah
10$ more for x79 like 2670v2/2690v2is way better even tho lack somw instructions or 25$ for x99
bcuz the cpu on old below gen7 have multicore problems
if u like 90%+ load game only sure ig, with multitask tho nah
pls more of AliExpress motherboards ...try lga 1700 and lga 1200
Lol, intel sucks for gaming.
@@Lurch-Bot ysh but I care about vrm
I'm curious if you put some small generic heat-sinks on the vrm would it perform much better. I have a massive bag of small heat-sinks that I've used a wide variety of electronics. Seems like a great way to make this board last longer.
I built an all white PC not too long ago using a machinist mobo that was all white, but it was an LGA socket for the intel xeon CPUs. It was ddr3 mobo and it was like $67. Crazy how the same company sells a newer mobo for less $. I did buy the one I got on eBay. But it still performed great none the less. Sold that pc for $600 for just the tower. Had about $500 in it. All brand new parts.
It looks like Soyo, Kyo, or Maxsun. I also use cheap Chinese mobo B450m and A520M. They are actually enough for our daily work, but the Bios, yes, it's weird.
Soyo and Maxsun is same vendor, most other Chinese brands made by OEM factory
Soyo and Maxsun have about same build qualtuy but a lot better BIOS and updates support
@@LordLab that's interesting to know
If you think that's weird, have a look at a Machinist X99-PR9-H board sometime. E5-1650 v3 and v4 perform like a Ryzen 1600 and 2600, respectively. The MB has a QM57 chipset which is a first gen mobile chipset. I could not disable CSM because then the PC wouldn't boot. They are obviously using USB 2.0 channels for the NVMe support but somehow a Crucial P3 still runs at its full potential. The chipset must be using 8 of the 14 USB 2.0 channels for the NVMe slot.
At least the B450 MBs just use regular old B450 chipset. They likely buy huge lots of RMA'd MBs from the major manufacturers and salvage the major chips from them -chipset, audio, LAN. May also salvage from old workstations too. This is how they keep the price down. That, and skimping on things like VRM stages and heatsinks. You can just buy a pack of mini heatsinks and thermal glue from Amazon and stick them on the MOSFETS to help keep them cool.
@@Lurch-Bot you mean PCIE channels , not USB
paired it w/ a 5600 and an arc a750...i have a couple of machinist motherboards...the price is great and the performance is there
Was just looking at this board and it comes at around 59 euro delivered ... but our local PC shop has B450 boards from Asus at the same price lol. Good thing I live very close to the best PC shop in the Netherlands.
Ya, many shops are trying to clear their AM4 mobo stock, so those are a good option as well
For your situation you really are better off just walking into a store or ordering nearby lol
@@SoranPryde In the US it seems like there isn't enough B450 MB stock left to get them at that price. Amazon doesn't even stock them anymore. Would have to buy from a third party seller and at an inflated price, just like all older PC components when stock dwindles. Some people probably think you need a B450 MB if you are running anything older than 5000 series.
Seeing the same thing with the 5800X3D. And will see the same with the 5700X3D soon. In another year, it is probable the only sensible way to build an AM4 machine will be with used parts.
Apart from a couple exceptions (RX6600, RTX 3050 6GB) most last gen GPUs are now going for higher new prices than they are worth.
@@ArtisChronicles And here in the US, I'd have to drive a 1200mi round trip to go to my nearest Micro Center. That's like driving from Amsterdam to Warsaw to do your PC shopping.
*I see it all the time for very cheap, always avoided as Maxsun A520 and B550 were not much more.*
I don't see the point of an S520 motherboard. It does not have the features of an B550 but can only run 5000 series CPUs.
@wayland7150 Yeah weird, I guess just a money grabbing scheme.
@@wayland7150 A520 MBs are a cheaper alternative for people who don't want to overclock. Putting a 5700X3D on an A520 board actually makes sense because you'll get the same performance and you can't really OC an X3D enough for it to be worthwhile. You'll also get a better MB for the price. A520 Tuf Gaming Plus Wi-Fi vs Prime B550 for $90. The answer is a no-brainer. Can't get much extra performance out of a regular 5000 series chip by overclocking because the boost profiles have just gotten too good at extracting maximum performance.
@@Lurch-Bot Yeah but you'd be better off with a B450. So, no they don't make sense.
@@Lurch-Bot You've not explained why a an A520 is better than a B450. B450 for me because you can start with any AM4 CPU and upgrade to an X3D later. You can't do that with an A520.
I have used this exact motherboard for a pc flip with a ryzen 5 5500, 16gb ddr4 3200mhz ram and rx 5700xt and it was awesome! only problem i found was that there was no xmp. I just couldn't find the setting.
I have been flipping pc's with a the Machinist x99 mobos and not had any complaints, my personal rig is also on a Machinist mobo, they have some quirks like temperature and bios settings but tend to be really good quality for the price, flipped at least 10 to friends and family and not a single issue for a few years now
I've got 2 of these in the past 2 months for all white entry level builds. I also get the 5600 cpu for 80 bucks from ali express to add into it. Perfect for a new pc gamer or fortnite/roblox gamer
You could use the 5500, save $20 and nobody would notice the difference.
just used two of these in a few budget systems for buddies. They performed really nice, even averaging better cpu benchmarking scores than the same chip on a different board i had. I think its due to how physically short the traces for the memory dimns are
used the black version btw. around $42 for two of them using welcome deals.
I used some noname mainboard in the past around 2000 and one vítal feature failed after heavy daily usage in maybe 2 years.
But to be fair there were also 2 brand mainboards later which failed similar way (one with dead onboard audio and other one with dead onboard Ethernet, both some way able to overcome with external HW, but still similar quality to noname).
I believe all PC components quality no matter whether brand or noname has improved significantly over time. 👍
👉 Disabling CSM on my brand B460M mainboard also makes chaos in my nvnme boot drives sequence, going for next to cpu socket nvme slot 1st.
But I have practically no issues having CSM enabled and boot on my bigger newer nvme3.0 from 2nd nvme slot. 👈
Last year I got lucky and brought a Soyo Sy-B450 classic board and it is another no frills b450 board for less than $40. Worked fine with my spare Ryzen 2600x left from a cpu upgrade.
That was an excellent review. You really dove deep into that Mobo! I'm impressed. Not really sure I'd be satisfied with the board pods running at 80 C+ constantly. Personally, I have no inclination to purchase any kind of PC components from Aliexpress, actually I really wouldn't buy anything from them or TEMU or Amazon or any of the other Chinese "dump" sites but I have to admit that board wasn't a total waste of money! Surprising!
bought one of those a while back, No complaints, it's getting the job done with the Ryzen 5 4600G I paired it with, original motherboard and cpu died in the machine I used it in, power supply and ram were OK, CPU wouldn't work on this board, and the 4600G wouldn't work on the original motherboard. I looked the board over and it didn't have any detectable damage, avoid asrock B550 motherboards, this was a powerspec pc we bought several of from microcenter about 3 years ago, only have one left, the others all experienced motherboard / cpu issues.
Quick question, did you have to update the BIOS to get support for the 5700x 3D or was it already updated?
8:42 I love a good brekkie with a side of Ryzen and Xeon for dessert.
Given that I recently got a DOA Machinist X99 MB, it is a good idea to order from sellers based in your own country on eBay or Amazon. Getting your money back from AliExpress is a PITA.
Since I have a 5500 that isn't doing anything, I was thinking about buying one of these boards for a future budget build to sell.
The VRM setup looks very similar to that found on my Jginyue X79 which should be fine for a 5500. Probably not OK with a 5950X.
I'd still be putting some mini heatsinks on the MOSFETS.
The reason these are so cheap (and don't have crap audio) is because they use recycled chips. They likely buy bad MBs that have been RMA'd from major board makers and pull and test the chipset, audio chip, LAN controller, and reuse them if they are good. Similar to how Soyo pulls GPU dies from worn out mining GPUs and puts them on new boards.
I have Ryzen 5600 running on A320 motherboard for a year now. Downdraft cooler is a savior!
Hi thanks for your clip really appreciate the time and effort you've put in. Curious about 2 things.
1) IF i have DDR4 3200 should i manually set my infinity fabric to 1600?
2) I see some advertisements for the 5700X 3D with 100mb of cache while others say 96mb.
Im of the understanding the 96mb is actual amount but is there another version of the 5700x 3D
I recall seeing this 100mb early on in the 5700X 3D launch.
Although the 5700X 3D was released after the 5800X 3D, I always thought it was random it would "be advertised" as or even have 100mb.
96mb is AMDs 3d v-Cache.
Surely there the same.
9800x3d is gonna have slightly changed 3d v-cache tho.
Back in the day I had a few machinist boards with Intel 2011 sockets. They were fine. Granted I didn’t run them hard (just some VM servers running 2697v2s that weren’t pushed particularly hard).
mini itx version of this board for 60 euros seems very interesting for that price
in fact, i need one, i bought one at 110 and has the hdmi port damaged and i needed it for a htpc build with no gpu
I think i saw a half decent b450 motherboard on amazon for $55 from gigabyte. Would pay the extra $5
My Gigabyte A520M S2H runs a 5700x3d fine. :D
@@MEMETIZER pcie 3.0
@@Lennox032 A non-issue
Yeah definitely worth an extra $5, but I find a big 4 motherboard at those prices doesn't last that long and quickly goes back up to $70+
@@MEMETIZER A big issue if you are getting a cheaper GPU with only a few PCIe lanes designed for PCIe 4.0.
I grabbed a Machinist x99 mr9a pro board a few months back with a xeon E2640 and 16GB ram for around $150. Aside from a few usb port issues, the boards been pretty solid. Yet to up to a beefer cpu, and theres a custom bios out for it which opens up more options. Still, would look to grab another.
hello love these cheap aliexpress bargain basement reviews
did you have to update the bios to get the 5700x3d to post?
Hello, was your Cyberpunk settings on "High" Preset or just everything set to High and no FSR?
As a flipper would I use these in builds to sell to customers? No
Use for one of my own projects? Sure, if it fits the use case
I build enough budget systems, I would like to mess with these, but there's concern, just like with mini PCs, what is coded in the firmware / UEFI kernel, SMM, ME.
I looked it up it's about the same price if not a few cents more than a Asrock B450m-HDV R4.0 which I can pick up from a online retailer which conveniently has it's main warehouse+store on my way to work. These two boards seem of similar quality and then I'd rather take the one I can get right now without having to wait but for everyone else this is probably a good alternative.
I run a maschinist x99 pr9 MB with an e5 2667v3 and turbo boost unlocked.
I put an Xbox fan right over the vrm (which at least has a heatsink).
Got that mb + cpu + 32gig server ram for 70€.
As much as I'd like a ryzen system, x99 is the value king.
~$250 platform let's go.
Like this + 5700X3D + 32g should be right about there. Stack a decent PSU and a cheapo gen 3 SSD into it and let the rest of your budget go to the video card. So long as you avoid the 4060/x600 PCIe hole, it'll perform on par with literally any of the "new" systems for gaming, while putting you a full tier higher on GPU by way of cost savings... Even against like a MicroCenter 7600X combo where most of the AM5 platform costs kinda disappear.
A PCIe 4.0X8 GPU runs fine on PCIe 3.0. Absolutely zero performance loss. The only consumer PCIe 4.0 GPU (not counting those stupid 4.0x4 ones) that will lose performance on 3.0 is the 4090.
@@Lurch-Bot It really isn't zero. It's mostly not world ending, but something around 10% isn't uncommon.
Gen 3 x16 isn't restrictive to much of anything, but Gen 3 x8 is slow enough that it can indeed cause issues. Especially on cards that also happen to have comically weak memory configurations.
Machinist actually makes some motherboards for Colourful in China they just take the motherboards made for Colourful puts it in a Machinist box with a back-plate and Sata Cable then sells it online for cheaper they actually have B660 and B760 motherboards as well and they work just fine even on a 12700K and a 13600K I won't use anything higher than those in them though as the VRM's gets toasty but they work mighty well for the price I can actually get a B760 Board for around 35$ on a sale in Lazada right now.
Yeah but why would anyone choose intel for a gaming PC build? A 5700X3D outperforms any i7 or Ultra 7 in gaming. In a lot of games, it even beats a 14900K. Intel CPUs have been a hot mess for the past few generations and I wouldn't be running them with a minimalistic VRM setup. intel has a long way to go before I'll ever consider buying another intel CPU, even for productivity.
@@Lurch-Bot look the common folk still prefers to buy Intel were not talking about gaming here just cause we all know better does not mean most people do and due to the release of arrow lake and the whole degradation issue Intel's prices have gone down immensely you can buy an i3 13100 for 80$ and pair it with a 35$ motherboard and you get a decent budget build that you can then up sell.
I really wish these Chinese mobo have great bios on them it's pretty stressful when you have to manually set everything to work perfectly.
You might do in case and out of case thermal tests.
I'm using it for building a computer for my Ex, using a Ryzen 5 2600x and a 5600XT GPU. For this it's working great.
I bought two aorus b450 elite motherboards from 2 separate sellers for an average of $50. There are a lot of AM4 motherboards going for cheap right now everyone is going AM5. Got some 5700X3Ds to go with them.
a machinist! love it.
Please do a similar video but with AM5 motherboards, I wanna see how low budget can we go with a ryzen 8600G/8700G with also 2x8gb DDR5 6000mhz cheapo ram brands and 512gb/1tb cheapo nvme gen4 ssd drive. Thanks and more power to your channel Mr. Yes Man!
Hey Brian, i would love to hear your thoughts on PCIe gen 3 vs 4 since it seems like even a 4090 can't use all the bandwidth, how long do you think it take for PCIe gen 3 to become a bottleneck.
there is a very old video bryan made about that, and gamers nexus made one tooo but many years ago
if there are more than 8 lanes, you will be fine, the problem is when you have less than 8 lanes of pci express 3.0
Where I live, You can get good brands B450 for 50, without waiting for delivery, just go to a store and get it. No point in Ali for that (use one only for something that is not avalible, like DDR2 memory or something like that)
It’s either this B450M board from Machinist or the Soyo Classic, at least back when I still bought them. Though I much prefer the latter in terms of how they look lol
What if we put Thermal pad + Copper heatsink on the VRM? will it be decently cooled?
Most likely yes, but you need adhesive termal tape
Greetings from overseas. I love your videos, you seem to be a good guy. I focus on you for information on "Lostech" ;-) I always love your videos on older generation stuff and how it performs in modern scenarios. Keep it up! I wish you good helath and good people around you, the rest will come from there.
Will you daily-drive this board for awhile to see how it handles regular use?
Nice on TechYes, you test these things so we don't have to
0:10 .... *It says it supports up to Ryzen 5600G ?!*
Pretty amazing to me
Should it not?
All 5xxx processors are still am4 aren't they?
I broke down and bought one when I was ordering some cheap ARGB splitters and controllers and got it for $40 US plus tax. I think I got a discount for being a first time customer. I tested it with a 5600G (was not sure if it would work with an APU) and it booted. I plan on using either a Ryzen 5500 or 5600 with it unless I can get a good price on a used 3600. It is PCIE3 unless I am mistaken.
Would thermal pads help with the VRMs?
Hi Bryan, can you check out Machinist K9 X99 motherboard. Are they any good? I'm looking into pairing it with an E5 2680 v4
does this board have IOMMU? this would actually be nice for a budget hypervisor i think
glad to see this, got one of these on the way just making cheap all white solarium build with 2600 , and rx 580sp, basically lots of looks but entry level performance for about 350$ , got a white rx 5600 could use instead but generally i dont mix 4th gen in with stuff cant make use of it, im told often as long as its a X16 pcie card it dont matter much, and be concerned , just feels im leave money on the table that buyer might be better putting to a rtx 20 series down the road, does anyone think the little white b450 would hold for rtx 2080ti
Did you notice low voltages on HWINFO? Most Chinese boards (Machinist, Jingyue and so on) always get very low 12V value (between 5 and 8 for me). Is it a sensor error or is there something I'm missing?
NH-C14S would've been peak for me to use with something like this.
What do you use to test audio?
Not being able to use the video card properly without legacy boot enabled is rather concerning. Myself I'd rather see it with EFI support only. nothing with modern driver support as far as I'm aware should have any issues booting with EFI. There's also the possibility ReBAR is more important (or you decide for some reason to use an intel GPU) in the future.
Can you tell me if 1st generation Summit ridge CPUs will work with this board?
One can buy small heat sinks and put them on those VRMs cheaply.
Probably the only downside is that it has only two USB3 ports on the I/O. Like that white PCB a lot.
I've seen some off branded motherboards for similar prices on Amazon. My first thought was does the thing even work right?
I wonder if sticking some small heatsinks on the mostefts would help...
Some brand B450 mobos with heatsinked VRM are ~60$ though.
depends on where you live, cheap aliexpress mobos are a good option for those who live in places where known-brand options are expensive.
@@malachkah Maybe. I live in such a place but budget brand mobos are still fairly priced. Like AsRock b450 mobos start at 60$, b550 at 80$. And due to VAT and shipping getting stuff from Ali is *more* expensive.
while you are right, there has been other channels running 16 cores with less vrm phases with no heatsink, nothing ende burned, but it was toasty
@@arch1107 I think it is more about long term longevity. And the type of mosfets used in the vrm.
@@MEMETIZER that is true, but i bet they use same quality used on asrock, so, it wont be that bad, just normal bad
imagine what quality was that 3 phase vrm motheboard without heatsink used on that 16 cores i mentioned
you can check the video, is from oztalkshw from like 3 years ago
it is not a good idea, but it works, barely, but it does
you want a bad quality vrm using crappyest mosfets? buy a dell prebuilt, those are known to end burned
remember the fiasco, not sue if it was dell or hp where intel cpus used for office and similar stuff just dying and the company telling the customers it was the math calculations burning the pcs?
it was mosfets and capacitors exploding, but they had to come up with some crap, low quality parts are everywhere
if the BIOS has no undervolting options, you can do that in Windows with PBO2 Tuner - TYC has a video about that.
thanks
ofc I still prefer my ASRock Steel Warrior board :)
awesome good to know thanks :)
Please! Could you explain how to undervolt on these boards???
Looks like an B450 from ONDA. 😅 where you need to manually set the XMP parameters and the BIOS GUI is the same.
The one I bought months ago from MACHINIST for a video review like this one was the MACHINIST B660 Windwalker DDR4, still, the video pending for later.
would you upgrade to a 5700x3d from a 9900k?
Wonder if those copper or aluminum heatsinks work on these budget boards with a thin 3m tape or those thermal glue... for the VRM's Just a thought 😅
Is there any real point pushing infinity fabric and memory clocks with 3D cache chips on AM4?
nice i was looking for a motherbored
I was watching this exact motherboard on Aliexpress for weeks. I have a spare 3700X and I was thinking about building a cheap PC with with some LED lights to sell for a little profit.
Cheap and it looks amazing, hell yeah.
Waiting for soyo/machinist a620m
8400f is crazy now
Can you check/test also the b450M Jginyue mobo? Thanks
Not sure what you can get or not from Australia,but there's Asus Prime B450M-K II for €52.90 on amazon,so i really don't see the point in buying some unknown mobo for almost the same amount.
For comparison this unknown am4 mobo would cost me 49,39 vs Asus Prime B450M-K II for €52.90,yeah it makes no sense.
id honestly glue some heatsinks to the vrms i did it to my i think soyo b450 board
Seems like OEM boards usually don't have vrm heatsinks. I would prefer heat sinks on the vrm, but it's not a deal breaker.
i would like to see you run a different heatsink to see how much the vrm increases temperature
Or maybe stick some cheap aluminum heatsinks on the vrm and see if it helps under heavy loads
@@79huddy that is a option, but it would be necesary to use that thermal glue, because i dont see a way to screw or tie the heatsinks there so it doesnt fall off
If the curve optimizer option is not available in BIOS then is it possible to set it in Ryzen Master application?
I tried some of these boards, they all have a hodgepodge bios and many of the hardware drivers are hacked and show up as unknown by windows, though they do work and are cheap as chips.
I got one of these on ebay real cheap, but I only put a ryzen 5 3600 on it and it was fine.
Could you pleases test an Asrock B450M Steel Legend mobo on am4. I would like to know the vrm temps and audio. I would appreciate it.