Mix 'em up, shuffle 'em round, knock £10,000 off here, know £20,000 off there, spin 'em any which way you like: I still don't want a white elephant EV.
@@Andy-e8n7g Yes I'm expecting to be assaulted by coercive financial measures from our authoritarian rulers, but Hey the Americans voted Kamala Biden out so there is still hope of reality returning some time.
@@seannewman5391 My winter driver is 14 years and still has it's original range, fuels up in 2 minutes, even when it's well below freezing. My summer driver is 50 years old and still has it's original range and fuels up in about 2 minutes also. Just a hint at why EVs depreciate so much faster than normal cars.
@SteveLomas-k6k EVs depreciate in some cases because the tech is moving fast. An ICE car three years newer than another isn't much better, but an EV 3 years newer than another is much better. Its nothing inherent to EVs. Besides it will settle down in the coming years when EVs are cheaper than ICE cars. Just see Goldman Sachs predictions on battery prices halfing by 2026. Everything changes.
One thing people don't realise when you do these price drop vids, this isn't normal depreciation, like driving your car away and it worth less a year later. These cars are NOT MOVING! They are not adding any miles on. If anyone can show me 100 mile diesel cars that drop 31% in a year without adding any miles, I will be gobsmacked
There are " 4" factors ( discard milage) which "Devalue motor vehicles" . Reg. Plates / Time since registered / Demand for vehicle. / Over supply EVs Fit the bill on all points . Been Registered / Dumped in storage (Time) / No Demand for them. / To many for market .
@@mikewhitehead50from where? The thing is, with EVs it’s across the board, it’s every manufacturer, not a few specific examples stated as a personal anecdote. There is no doubt, it is not fiction, EVs are depreciating at unsustainable levels. In a nutshell, most people do not want an EV, the few that do already have them or can’t afford them.
I agree, Autotrader is shit with the new format, unusable and highly irritating. I used to enjoy browsing on there, I hate it now. Clearly got some good DEI training going on at that company.
Totally agree….i don’t even go onto Autotrader anymore because the viewing platform is so poor…..How did this new format get signed off as an improvement over the previous version????
I live in a terraced house, on street parking, no way to charge an ev, the street lights are all 12 feet up the wall on the houses. I can never see a point where driving an ev would be possible not that I would actually want one in the first place!
That’s an infrastructure issue not an EV issue. King Charles hobby town Poundbury, has NO on street parking allowed, residents have to fork £58 per month to use the ‘community parking space’. Another example of short term planning in the UK..
It doesn't matter, though, does it? You will still be able to drive a petrol car till at least 2045 if you want, ssuming sales stop in 2030. And in 20 years time who knows what things will look like? In 1900 people had to buy petrol from pharmacies and frequently it wasn't the right stuff. With the technology of the day this meant a practical range of around 50 miles. In 1919 the first pumped petrol station opened. Four years later there were 7000 pumps in Great Britain.
@thomasreilly6362: Actually, it's both. Infrastructure is woefully inadequate in both generation and distribution, but the environmental impact of the heavier vehicles on the roads has not been properly investigated. The fact that evs wear through tyres faster which of course need replacing hasn't been mentioned. However, the biggest issue in my mind is economic. The tax-breaks and incentives, paid for by everyone need to be stopped. It gives a false view of the true running costs of evs which in reality seem not much different to running an ice! Before you bang on about "charging at home while you sleep", remember, a huge majority of people CAN'T do that because they don't have a driveway. I'm one. The nearest I can park is roughly 150ft away across a couple of footpaths. I can run my 10yr old diesel for way less than an ev, it's reliable, economical and, should we end up with power-cuts, which we nearly did the other week, I don't have to worry about charging!
The big unforseen twist in the car market is that young people in increasing numbers no longer want to drive cars (for a number of factors). This reduction in demand will only get worse. Only those who want us all on bikes will be pleased.
When did you last drive 600 miles without a couple of 20 minute stops for a leg stretch? My EV will drive 250 miles and refill another 200 miles in that time - and do that again at each stop on its own as I sit drinking coffee and visiting the loo. Thats not even a 5 minute delay to me. More like ten seconds to plug and unplug.
The truth is with economic factors there is now an over supply of vehicles in the U.K., ev’s, vans, ice, bikes etc you name it. The used vehicle market is stagnant, no one’s buying because of cost of living. I’ve never seen it this bad. It’s fantastic if you are buying, there are some bargains out there.
According to Volvo's own figures, 70.000 is the milage that an EV becomes carbon neutral. But then you'll have the electricity generated by gas powered station to consider.
@EbenBransome but how long before the renewable becomes carbon neutral? Noth in windmills are recyclable and takes barrels of oil for maintenance. Solar can't take wind and hail storms much less a hurricane
@@jon-kp2rq Your local library may point you in the direction of remedial English classes. Has it occurred to you that people of limited literacy being anti-EV may not project the image you want?
When a battery replacement costs less than the worth of the vehicle after a 10 year period... Once this threshold is broken, then EV's make sense. However, right now, the scandal is the amount of wasted energy/resources/co2 that go into making the car and battery and for the life span to be reduced to insurance and replacement costs..
Your probably already there, or close to, with Tesla model S, and they didn't make many of those. They've made loads of model 3s and Ys though. I expect the cost of replacing the battery pack on a 10 year old model 3 to be well under its value.
California is currently having a blast disposing of all of its abandoned EVs and home energy storage batteries due to the additional delayed hazards and potential toxic smoke releases they pose. Wonder if that will make them rethink the wisdom of having large batteries everywhere as the environment itself becomes more hostile to batteries in general.
Watching the LA fire coverage has further reinforced my feelings on them. Power was off in many places and many of them were left to burn. Also all the lithium batteries is making clean up more dangerous and costly
The trouble is, we know business and fleet make up a huge proportion of sales. In this situation, EV’s really are a no-brainer most of the time. Much like a BMW 320d once was. The problem is that there was always a market for used diesel BMW’s etc, but not so much for Tesla’s or Leaf’s. Add in the ZEV mandate components and it’s a recipe for disaster.
It’s like anything electrical. Try buying a brand new iPhone for £1000, don’t open the box and try selling it 2 years later , willing to bet you won’t get more than £500. Same for these cars - they upgrade the battery or motor on the latest model and no one wants the old one.
Autotrader used to be a great 'browse' - The new format is crap and everything that was easy is now a click or a refresh further away. As to the prices of EV's - the lower they go the better, like a washer or tumble dryer, for any buyer who considers EVd 'white goods'. ie When it breaks just get another...
Used and pre-registered EV's make absolute sense. They are peanuts to buy and much cheaper than ICE cars. Absolute bargain and cost a tenth of the price to run compared to ICE cars.
You lack the imagination to see that EV development is a process. You are making a judgment at a moment in time. You need to have the imagination to see how all new technologies develop. Look back at the first computers, the first digital cameras, the first flat screen TV's. All were incredibly expensive and low tech when they were still in development compared to where we are now. EV's, (batteries really), will follow the same path.
@@marviwilson1853 The difference is, the government didn't subsidise them and effectively mandate them on consumers who didn't want to buy them. Computers succeeded because of free market dynamics. I'll give you another example from that same era, Betamax video cassettes. They were a solution to a problem that didn't exist and as such in a free market, they failed
@@graemejones9707 betamax was actually a better recording technology. It failed as VHS managed to get all the films to market quicker. You can still buy an ice car now if you want. You now actually have a choice but remember when the technology really matures it will be a no brainet to buy an EV.
I can imagine the dealers despair, not selling after more than a year - discounted to eye watering levels. What’s the repression on new cars as a result. Not sustainable at all - £4.5bn annually. They are all going to go broke. Maybe that’s the WEF plan. 15 min cities…
Bought a 2nd hand leaf for travelling to and from my work. Absolutely love it. But absolutely hate the charging infrastructure. Very unreliable and very very expensive. It's cheaper to run my Audi A4 avant than my Leaf using public charging.
Thank goodness I am at an age where I will never have to get an EV. My next car will probably be my last so I will probably get a full self charging hybrid, maybe a Honda HRV. That’s as far down the EV route I am prepared to go.😊
I bought a pre-registered £40K EV. Cost me £16K. Cheaper than an ICE car and an absolute bargain. Costing me £14 for 1000 miles. Probably only worth £500 next year, but I don't care. It's so fast and cheap to run. Not going to service it, as I'll just drive it until it's scrap and get shot and get another.
~It would really help here if everybody just realized that the development of the electric car, (the battery), is a process, just as the development of the computer, digital camera or flat screen TV was a process. There is no point making definitive statements about the EV at a moment in time, ie today. When talking about the EV we have to see where the technology is going as new technologies always go. EV's are coming that will do hundreds of miles on a charge. Have batteries made of cheap, environmentally friendly materials. Will last forever, be cheap to buy and charge quickly. That is where we will end up, as we always do. Lets have the imagination to see that rather then be blinkered by only considering todays technology.
If you have problems with diesel tractors, don’t put your kid by the exhaust pipe! Also, you could get a diesel car or petrol car instead of the tractor. Talking of diesel tractors, who will produce, process or transport your food, how will they get to work and how do they produce those EV batteries that involves moving hundreds of tonnes of earth materials and shipping them between continents, only to be replaced every decade or so?
I agree the new auto trader format is absolute toss. And it doesn’t help either that no matter what perimeters you search for all you get is every 4th car being a sponsored ad for a Polestar lease.
Same old story....companies spend years perfecting their web-site, but keep tinkering with it so now every change makes it worse, not better. And the sponsored ads were there and annoying us on the old page layout too. Waste of time as when you are searching for a specific thing, throwing ads for something else at us is a waste of time....that's not what we are searching for!!! Filters are worse to use, page layout doesn't seem as good. Generally very poor.
Me personally, I’m a business owner. After the tax & VAT savings and the ability to charge at workplace I quite literally save £5-6k per year as a minimum. For me, an EV is most definitely a no brainer, in fact I’d be mad to use an ICE vehicle in my circumstances.
An EV requires more barrels of oil to be consume during in its production process than any ICE vehicle, Barrie, nearer to 60,000 miles at the minimum. See Michael P Mills Skagen Fondene lecture about the impossibility of a Net Zero transition just on mining grounds alone.
Not with new sodium ion battery technology or aluminum batteries. The lithium ion story takes into account mining etc but when it comes to oil, nobody takes into account the survey ships that have to look for it, the oil rigs that drill for it, the production platforms that have to be built and towed out to sea to extract and process it. The helicopter transfer of personnel, the supply ships that go backwards and forwards with supplies, the pipelines that have to be laid to get the oil ashore, the inspection ships that have to monitor and repair the pipeline, the oil refineries that have to break the oil down into its components, the oil tankers that have to move oil and oil products around the globe, the storage facilities that keep the products in tanks, the fleet of tankers that take the products to the airports and petrol stations... phew! and then they say that making lithium ion batteries is not good for the environment!!!!
City's yes , out in the country no , having anything forced upon you will always come will resistance, and always should be 🇬🇧, the turning of the tide is naturally done 🇬🇧
I think the video is missing the point of how far you travel in a typical week and whether you can home charge. If you make a lot of fairly short journeys, a used EV (say 3 years old), is a no brainer. However, longer journeys will prove difficult depending on where you're going and what time of day it is when charging. An EV isn't just about the car, it's buying into the home and public charging. The experience of this will differ person by person.
Never, in a million years, will I want an EV. Well, maybe if they can replace the delicate killer batteries they use now but never a second hand one with the current batteries.
The statistics show that per 1000 vehicles, a petrol car is more likely to cause a fire than an electric one. Makes sense really when you think they are filled with gallons and gallons of a highly inflammable liquid placed in close proximity to a large heat source with high voltage sparks being required to ignite the stuff!!
I had my first experience driving an EV this week, my 911 was in for warranty work and they gave me a new EV Macan I am what I would term a full on car/motorbike fanatic What are my thoughts, I actually really quite liked it, drove remarkably well, fast, handled well, comfortable and nice cruising around towns in silence Would I own one, absolutely not, the depreciation stories I have seen and heard would make me run a mile I noticed this loan car was also listed on Autotrader, it has 2,000 miles on, is a fairly base model with lots of options and is priced at nearly £90,000 I honestly could not comprehend the price, new car prices are utterly madness, especially EV’s as you know ultimately it will be worthless in years to come
You have summed up probably most peoples reluctance, the EV experience is a remarkable drive, but I could not sink my own money into such an uncertainty looking at the real world used market. I , unlike the very small number's of adopters that are buying them, cannot justify the loss. I will stick with hybrids for the time.
@@limitedmark It's getting to the point where a used Taycan is very considerable because of that very reason. I can basically buy a Taycan for the price of a crap BMW and cost way less to run than something of equal performance.
@ You could easily, there will be a point that they will hit rock bottom and you wont lose too much, its then just the upkeep . Flip side is If the car does go tits up, you are at the hands of the main dealer, this being Porsche. ouch! But the bright side is there wont be an issue and you have a great car that sum idiot took all the pain for. Win
@roydevans Just as Barrie often does, it's easy to cherry pick good and bad examples for both EVs and ICE. These are early and difficult days for the decarbonisation of transport. EVs will be cheaper than ICE sooner than you think and depreciation will do its coming and going as it normally does with any new technology.
You can get a used EV for less than 3 grand, but you can't get one that can do more than 50 miles on a full charge, and a new battery costs ten times the value of the vehicle itself.
That's because all EVs of that age could only travel 80 miles from new. They make brilliant local commute and shopping cars now. But as you say, makes no sense to change the battery pack as that would only get back to 80 miles anyway. A little known fact about such EVs is that they only lose range. Performance remains the same as when new so they just need plugging more often and if at home that costs pennies compared to petrol.
The new MG Cyberster is a stunning looking car with stylish scissor action doors, just the right size (the MGF was too small) great view over the bonnet, strangely lacking in boot space, but it needs a proper engine , like a BMW straight six. It is a brilliant piece of styling, but I wouldn't buy electric.
I hope it all goes breasts up for the whole net zero agenda, because let's face it, not many other countries are bothering, just seems like the UK is becoming the sacrificial lamb.
Not sure about that. VW are in Chinese vehicle manufacture’s cross hairs. The company is carrying more debt than it’s overall worth. The Chinese are building assembly plants in Poland and Hungary avoiding any tariffs. The CEO of BYD has said there will be a blood bath and most legacy companies will go bankrupt. Leaving 5-7 main companies in the market. None will build ICE vehicles
@@shreeshsaurya4203 Why? The factory will require millions to upgrade and the potential labour costs will be prohibitive. Much cheaper to build assembly plants in Poland and Hungary. Any investment will be a fraction of what VW currently has..
@@shreeshsaurya4203 The factory in Spain is relatively new compared to VW plants Secondly, all of Nissan’s vehicles are going to be built in China. The merger with Honda is 80%political. It’s doomed to fail
Thats because everybody else has seen it's a scam. We just have an idiotic government and media who are attached to the frankly ridiculous concept that CO2 is a temperature control stat
2018 Honda. Does over 400 miles and takes five to fill ncluding going inside. If I could pay at the pump, like they do in the States, it would take about three minutes. Get back to me when an EV can do this.
Don't let the EVangelists tell you that EVs are in short supply because they're selling out. Have a look at Portbury Dock in Bristol. There's 'millions' of new unsold EVs being stored there. You can see them from the Flyover. The numbers are staggering.
in 2019 there was a battery conversion 32k euro - for Messerschmitt Kr200 1960 classics 3 wheel bubble cars, never caught on went back to Sachs 2 stroke.
I'm sure if people thought they were value for money they would sell. This tells me that people don't really want them even at the super low prices. Can you find any petrol cars that have been up for sale since 2023 and they are half price now ?
My take away from this video is you can buy yourself an amazing high tech high performance EV car for a knock down price. You just let some wealthy mug by it new and then you buy it used. Its a form of wealth redistribution 🙂
Would never have one with current batteries, mileage not good enough, especially second hand ones the mileage reduces. The Insurance is high, any bump may cause a major safety issue.
Would be interesting if you put ice vehicles with less than 1000 miles into Autotrader to see how many come up and how long they've been on sale for and if they've been discounted?
True but the government aren’t forcing manufacturers to sell ice cars at a loss, it’s because of EVs having to be pre registered en masse that ICE car residuals are falling too to compete, 95% of cars for sale on autotrader are ice and we still don’t know how many pre registered EVs are hidden away as they seem to be being released on to the market at 3,6,9,12,15,18,21, and 24 month old in dribs and drabs, you can now buy delivery mileage 2 year old EVs directly from the manufacturers,
Does a highly reputable company like Warranty Holdings offer battery policy's yet?....I've been gone from UK for quite a long time but I remember these being absolute pirates.....maybe late 90s early 2000s I changed a lot of timing belts on ex BT grey vans....for a guy....he just gave 3 months warranty from own pocket...25 years gone by in a moment😂😂😂
I tick all the right boxes as someone who should consider buying an EV. When I can buy a very nice one for less than £3000 which looks a good bet for at least another 5 years I may even think about doing so. Why should I care if someone else losses over £100,000 providing me with an almost new top of the range motor for almost bugger all? To be honest I have become bored with worrying about what idiots do with their own money. Look after number one, I say. I will never understand why even rich people like myself spend more than £4000 on a motor, but I thank the Lord that they do every time my Merc starts up. I must have slept off or something because new car prices seem to have mysteriously grown an extra zero without me noticing. Every time I spend my 4 grand which is not at all often, the quality of the car keeps getting better and its longevity longer.
@ Nope, it was 89% but anybody who bought an ICE car last year would realise it would have almost zero resale value plus they are crucified with additional taxes. As of 2025 it is not possible to buy an ICE car in Norway….. so you think this might have an effect on the statistics?
@@ridbanner1407 Same when I saw the Smart ForTwo in 1999/2000. It should have been the car to solve everyone's transportation needs - from teenagers to grannies. Cheap to run, cheap insurance, easy to park, low maintenance costs and easily customiseable by the owner. Then when it launched it was more than a regular small sized car! Somebody somewhere knobbled Smart.
Far too many horror stories about dead batteries and owners left with massive bills to replace them. No thanks. If the engine blows on my 18 year old Volvo I'll buy another one for 2k quid. Normal people don't have 40k to drop on a new car
The common theme of huge discounts across all different brands of EV highlights very clearly that nobody wants them - it's that simple. You don't buy a Loti or a Ferrari to get an electric SUV you buy them to get a nimble sports car or for a screaming V12. The presentation of Auto Trader now is shocking. Give me that 5L Mustang!🙂
This shows the facts and figures in the real world NOT someone’s silly little irrelevant spread sheet, however, more significantly it shows that despite offering these substantial price reductions and huge quantities of available vehicles there is STILL no interest to purchase. Manufacturers cannot blindly continue producing hopelessly unsaleable vehicles . . . there will be a day of reckoning and it will hurt. Remember - These price reductions are on NEW vehicles, therefore, USED vehicle values can only plummet almost into oblivion at this rate.
None of these are EVs I would ever consider buying, they all have some major downside that keeps them off the list. Air cooled batteries (obsolete tech), high price for a brand that your fellow bankers won't recognise, or one just not associated with expensive cars. And then there are things like the Taycan or the Q8, bought by people who usually obsess over noise, or capacity of the engine, or position on a model pecking order. In my experience there are three basic types of Porsche buyer: the German who does high Autobahn mileage (one guy I encountered was commuting 50 000 miles a year), the engineer, and the status freak. The first group won't buy a Taycan because it doesn't do what they need, the second group won't because they can't maintain it themselves, and the third group live in a world in which all their friends sneer at EVs anyway. That leaves the people with lots of money who buy one for the experience and then discover that once you've played with all the bits it just becomes normal. And those people don't buy second hand. I did see a 2015 Leaf on the road this morning but most of it was Hyundais, MGs, BMWs and the odd Mokka, with one Model 3 from 2019. All practical company cars.
Im serious anyone out there want to give me 10K so I can have a no brainer good buy of a Model Y and I am all in. Not ready to do that? Then stop being a hypocrite and hiding behind government thieves. Sure if you want to be an electric car its so much nicer to have the government take the money for you - but. if you have to be the one to pay then your a hypocrite right? Either stop being a hypocrite and send me $10,000 USD and I"ll go buy the Model Y - or go get 5 friends and each pay me $2000 you can afford that to save the planet right? Go on I drive a lot so I am a very good candidate to save CO2 - let me know when you have the money. It will be a no brainer for me when I get that extra little help.
Right at what point can you force others to pay enough tax to make it cheap enough for me to buy an BEV - Norway gives about half the cars cost in subsidies - that has to be a no brainer right? So say you pay me directly instead of the government being the middle man and forcing you to pay me at the threat of imprisonment? Just pay me $10,000 USD and I"ll Buy a model Y. OK you'll be saving the planet - so you can feel real good about it. Well BEVs do weight a lot more and use a lot more CO2 for mining the rare earths, and they catch fire so I am taking a risk here. Let me know when your ready to send me the $10k. That is what I'd get in subsidies between the US fed government thieves and the State thieves. You do want to do this right? OK, its a no brainer now.
EV's are coming that will do 700+ miles on a charge. It is likely we will recharge them at ASDA when we do our shopping. We will look back and laugh at the concept of "home charging" just as we look back now and laugh at the concept of "dial up internet". Things are going to move quickly.
im losing the will to live! back in the day autotrader was a must read the magazine on a thursday with proper cars capris cortinas astra gtes etc etc now its like watching paint dry and even if i was buying a car ? but im not you might as well stick a pin anywhere on any car as they all look the same i.e bland and horrible. sad times we live in
Are folk off their rockers paying £15k down and then paying £1250 per month for 48 months ... Then not even owning it at the end 😂😆😂 Crazy folk. I'll keep my old car and go on 4 luxury holidays a year thanks ⚠️
@madds6678 I call it keeping up with the Jones next door. New cars are hardly chasing a dream, the quality of them are dreadful, apart from certain premium models .
Why do they need to do 600 miles 🤔 how are they doing more destruction to the planet 🤔 They’re not polluting our cities & if you go for the lithium narrative well we are still mining for gold, silver & all other minerals, diamonds. Don’t forget the tablet laptop or smartphone that you watched & commented on this has a lithium battery but that’s not destroying our planet is it & you won’t be giving them up will you 🤔
@mikewhitehead50 I think the carbon neutral calculation requires you to estimate the number of miles you have to travel in order to equal the co2 expended in the CONSTRUCTION of the car.
@mikewhitehead50 Yes, the climate change nartsees don't account for the beneficial effect of CO2 on plant life. Fossil fuels all resulted from plant life.
@@Dungshoveleux carbon neutral with cars isn’t a thing. Carbon equal in terms of EV vs ICE can be though. An EV has to drive a certain number of clean miles before construction co2 plus driving co2 is equal to ICE construction and driving co2. How many miles depends on who you ask. It varies a lot.
This is only a "Percentage" of the EV UNSALEABLE/ UNWANTED LEMONS . How many are NOT on AUTOTRADER . Who has Money in all these cars which are eating it !!. Who has Money in the Airfields Full Of Pre Reg. Sombody come up with a answer / name ??.
@kevinmoffatt Add the " THOUSANDS " Cluttering up Rotterdam, Antwerp. This whole EV Adventure is out of control , when you look at the full picture. NOT the selective bits the evangelistors want to see.
@kevinmoffatt Fair coment plausable with the Idiots we have as agovernment. BUT " If" they got 25% there is still a Huge figure remaining to finance . Somwhere there is a lot of Red Ink been covered up and getting worse . What is the name in the V5 of all this Pre Reg . ???.
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At no point can I ever imagine an EV being the right choice for me, but that's just me.
me too, but why do they keep peddling these p.o.s on us ?
@ianrichards4907 because Claus Schwab says they have to...
@@norabrady9066At least spell his name correctly if you're going to peddle conspiracies
It most certainly is not just you!
Same here 👍
Mix 'em up, shuffle 'em round, knock £10,000 off here, know £20,000 off there, spin 'em any which way you like: I still don't want a white elephant EV.
@@Cotictimmy You need not worry petrol/diesel will be around for years to come. That said future taxes could cause a problem.
@@Andy-e8n7g Yes I'm expecting to be assaulted by coercive financial measures from our authoritarian rulers, but Hey the Americans voted Kamala Biden out so there is still hope of reality returning some time.
@@Andy-e8n7g DECADES to come actually!
@@jon-kp2rq That's a positive, should be a good blend of ICE and EV to suit everybody needs and pockets
The depreciation is clearly eye-watering.
the one about £30k down only 50 miles haha
As bad as Rolls-Royce and Bentley.
@vacation_generation for sure you can cherry pick EV that have high depreciation, just as you can cherry pick ICE cars that do.
@@seannewman5391
My winter driver is 14 years and still has it's original range, fuels up in 2 minutes, even when it's well below freezing.
My summer driver is 50 years old and still has it's original range and fuels up in about 2 minutes also.
Just a hint at why EVs depreciate so much faster than normal cars.
@SteveLomas-k6k EVs depreciate in some cases because the tech is moving fast. An ICE car three years newer than another isn't much better, but an EV 3 years newer than another is much better.
Its nothing inherent to EVs. Besides it will settle down in the coming years when EVs are cheaper than ICE cars. Just see Goldman Sachs predictions on battery prices halfing by 2026.
Everything changes.
All the No Brainers have already bought them ha ha ha
Your nickname is appropriate.
@@EbenBransome truthhurts dont it ev mug!!
@@jon-kp2rq In English?
@ which part dont you understand ev mug?
Evangelist’s have been a bit gullible though. The useless “ road appliances” are a massive money pit. and certainly NOT green.
One thing people don't realise when you do these price drop vids, this isn't normal depreciation, like driving your car away and it worth less a year later. These cars are NOT MOVING! They are not adding any miles on.
If anyone can show me 100 mile diesel cars that drop 31% in a year without adding any miles, I will be gobsmacked
It’s not good for anything really
Ummm I’ve bought brand new diesels with the best part of 25% off, and that’s a factory order, not two years old.
There are " 4" factors ( discard milage) which "Devalue motor vehicles" . Reg. Plates / Time since registered / Demand for vehicle. / Over supply EVs Fit the bill on all points . Been Registered / Dumped in storage (Time) / No Demand for them. / To many for market .
@@mikewhitehead50from where? The thing is, with EVs it’s across the board, it’s every manufacturer, not a few specific examples stated as a personal anecdote.
There is no doubt, it is not fiction, EVs are depreciating at unsustainable levels. In a nutshell, most people do not want an EV, the few that do already have them or can’t afford them.
Normally, cars lose value as they leave the showroom. These are losing value before they have left the showroom.
I agree, Autotrader is shit with the new format, unusable and highly irritating. I used to enjoy browsing on there, I hate it now. Clearly got some good DEI training going on at that company.
I use my phone to view it now as desktop layout is shite.
Totally agree….i don’t even go onto Autotrader anymore because the viewing platform is so poor…..How did this new format get signed off as an improvement over the previous version????
If I were a car dealer, I wouldn't pay AutoTrader for this crap!
I live in a terraced house, on street parking, no way to charge an ev, the street lights are all 12 feet up the wall on the houses. I can never see a point where driving an ev would be possible not that I would actually want one in the first place!
That’s an infrastructure issue not an EV issue. King Charles hobby town Poundbury, has NO on street parking allowed, residents have to fork £58 per month to use the ‘community parking space’.
Another example of short term planning in the UK..
It doesn't matter, though, does it? You will still be able to drive a petrol car till at least 2045 if you want, ssuming sales stop in 2030. And in 20 years time who knows what things will look like?
In 1900 people had to buy petrol from pharmacies and frequently it wasn't the right stuff. With the technology of the day this meant a practical range of around 50 miles. In 1919 the first pumped petrol station opened. Four years later there were 7000 pumps in Great Britain.
@ yes fortunately I’ll see out my driving in a petrol car😃
@thomasreilly6362: Actually, it's both. Infrastructure is woefully inadequate in both generation and distribution, but the environmental impact of the heavier vehicles on the roads has not been properly investigated. The fact that evs wear through tyres faster which of course need replacing hasn't been mentioned.
However, the biggest issue in my mind is economic. The tax-breaks and incentives, paid for by everyone need to be stopped. It gives a false view of the true running costs of evs which in reality seem not much different to running an ice!
Before you bang on about "charging at home while you sleep", remember, a huge majority of people CAN'T do that because they don't have a driveway. I'm one. The nearest I can park is roughly 150ft away across a couple of footpaths. I can run my 10yr old diesel for way less than an ev, it's reliable, economical and, should we end up with power-cuts, which we nearly did the other week, I don't have to worry about charging!
The big unforseen twist in the car market is that young people in increasing numbers no longer want to drive cars (for a number of factors). This reduction in demand will only get worse. Only those who want us all on bikes will be pleased.
When they have a 600 mile range and charge in 5 minutes...
That makes real sense 👏👏👍👍🇬🇧
@@emmacohen3926Think he means 'when they can'
When did you last drive 600 miles without a couple of 20 minute stops for a leg stretch? My EV will drive 250 miles and refill another 200 miles in that time - and do that again at each stop on its own as I sit drinking coffee and visiting the loo. Thats not even a 5 minute delay to me. More like ten seconds to plug and unplug.
The Mercedes EQXX already can do 600 miles on a charge of its 100KwHr battery.
@@marviwilson1853 Not in the real world.
Barry that autotrader set up sends my ocd into overdrive 😮😮🎉
The truth is with economic factors there is now an over supply of vehicles in the U.K., ev’s, vans, ice, bikes etc you name it. The used vehicle market is stagnant, no one’s buying because of cost of living. I’ve never seen it this bad. It’s fantastic if you are buying, there are some bargains out there.
Cars worth 5k and less are selling well. Nobody is prepared to overspend however.
Finally someone with common sense 👍🏻
According to Volvo's own figures, 70.000 is the milage that an EV becomes carbon neutral. But then you'll have the electricity generated by gas powered station to consider.
That was actually included. It's lower now in many countries because of increased electricity generation from renewables.
@EbenBransome but how long before the renewable becomes carbon neutral? Noth in windmills are recyclable and takes barrels of oil for maintenance. Solar can't take wind and hail storms much less a hurricane
@@EbenBransome you really are beyond help arent you,lol!
@@jon-kp2rq Your local library may point you in the direction of remedial English classes.
Has it occurred to you that people of limited literacy being anti-EV may not project the image you want?
@@EbenBransome once again fool ,WHICH part dont you understand ev mug, stop avoiding the question,
What a bloody mess they have made of trying to use Autotrader. Ruined it completely.
Just like the Jag add, devised be the 'Woke'
When a battery replacement costs less than the worth of the vehicle after a 10 year period... Once this threshold is broken, then EV's make sense. However, right now, the scandal is the amount of wasted energy/resources/co2 that go into making the car and battery and for the life span to be reduced to insurance and replacement costs..
Used EV cells need to be repurposed for domestic storage
Your probably already there, or close to, with Tesla model S, and they didn't make many of those. They've made loads of model 3s and Ys though. I expect the cost of replacing the battery pack on a 10 year old model 3 to be well under its value.
@@Ianjdgalethey are already, but it’s a developing industry because batteries are lasting way more then first thought.
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I thought I was being original
Do you fancy setting up a company with me then?
@@PhilBradley-xb2tj hahahahaha sure son!
California is currently having a blast disposing of all of its abandoned EVs and home energy storage batteries due to the additional delayed hazards and potential toxic smoke releases they pose. Wonder if that will make them rethink the wisdom of having large batteries everywhere as the environment itself becomes more hostile to batteries in general.
They never will Barry. I will never own one anyway.
Watching the LA fire coverage has further reinforced my feelings on them. Power was off in many places and many of them were left to burn. Also all the lithium batteries is making clean up more dangerous and costly
How come the dealers aren’t going broke; they must have very deep pockets
They are, trade is very bad
Never!
The trouble is, we know business and fleet make up a huge proportion of sales. In this situation, EV’s really are a no-brainer most of the time. Much like a BMW 320d once was. The problem is that there was always a market for used diesel BMW’s etc, but not so much for Tesla’s or Leaf’s. Add in the ZEV mandate components and it’s a recipe for disaster.
It’s like anything electrical. Try buying a brand new iPhone for £1000, don’t open the box and try selling it 2 years later , willing to bet you won’t get more than £500. Same for these cars - they upgrade the battery or motor on the latest model and no one wants the old one.
50 quid for cash
@ . Sorry won’t accept anything under £80
@@bordersw1239 65 final offer 🤣
Autotrader used to be a great 'browse' - The new format is crap and everything that was easy is now a click or a refresh further away.
As to the prices of EV's - the lower they go the better, like a washer or tumble dryer, for any buyer who considers EVd 'white goods'. ie When it breaks just get another...
Spot on Barrie, EVs, new or second hand, "just don't make sense".
Used and pre-registered EV's make absolute sense. They are peanuts to buy and much cheaper than ICE cars. Absolute bargain and cost a tenth of the price to run compared to ICE cars.
@@Rexbilly9819 Not if you drive any further than their range, don't have your own driveway, or don't fancy driving a potential lethal fireball
You lack the imagination to see that EV development is a process. You are making a judgment at a moment in time. You need to have the imagination to see how all new technologies develop. Look back at the first computers, the first digital cameras, the first flat screen TV's. All were incredibly expensive and low tech when they were still in development compared to where we are now. EV's, (batteries really), will follow the same path.
@@marviwilson1853 The difference is, the government didn't subsidise them and effectively mandate them on consumers who didn't want to buy them. Computers succeeded because of free market dynamics.
I'll give you another example from that same era, Betamax video cassettes. They were a solution to a problem that didn't exist and as such in a free market, they failed
@@graemejones9707 betamax was actually a better recording technology. It failed as VHS managed to get all the films to market quicker. You can still buy an ice car now if you want. You now actually have a choice but remember when the technology really matures it will be a no brainet to buy an EV.
I can imagine the dealers despair, not selling after more than a year - discounted to eye watering levels. What’s the repression on new cars as a result. Not sustainable at all - £4.5bn annually. They are all going to go broke. Maybe that’s the WEF plan. 15 min cities…
Bought a 2nd hand leaf for travelling to and from my work. Absolutely love it. But absolutely hate the charging infrastructure. Very unreliable and very very expensive. It's cheaper to run my Audi A4 avant than my Leaf using public charging.
Thank goodness I am at an age where I will never have to get an EV. My next car will probably be my last so I will probably get a full self charging hybrid, maybe a Honda HRV. That’s as far down the EV route I am prepared to go.😊
Good choice
really amazing car I have one.
how can cars lose 20,25, 30, 35k with zero miles on them? NEVER IN HISTORY did this happen before, never.
BMW 7 or 8 series?
I bought a pre-registered £40K EV. Cost me £16K. Cheaper than an ICE car and an absolute bargain. Costing me £14 for 1000 miles. Probably only worth £500 next year, but I don't care. It's so fast and cheap to run. Not going to service it, as I'll just drive it until it's scrap and get shot and get another.
I noticed the Autotrader change as well - and also detest it! Not having all the fliters on the left is a down grade!
True
~It would really help here if everybody just realized that the development of the electric car, (the battery), is a process, just as the development of the computer, digital camera or flat screen TV was a process. There is no point making definitive statements about the EV at a moment in time, ie today. When talking about the EV we have to see where the technology is going as new technologies always go. EV's are coming that will do hundreds of miles on a charge. Have batteries made of cheap, environmentally friendly materials. Will last forever, be cheap to buy and charge quickly. That is where we will end up, as we always do. Lets have the imagination to see that rather then be blinkered by only considering todays technology.
Seems like nearly all commentators here aspire to be the new "red flag" carrier, if you're old enough to know what that means.
Hi Barry really look forward to your vlogs,, every day my friend 👏👏👏🇬🇧🇬🇧
Good to hear thankyou
Colin Chapman would not be happy with the Loti; light nimble vehicles, stiff chassis, compliant suspension.........
It’s sad to see
More Tracy Chapman than Colin Chapman
An EV has been a no-brainer for me and my wife for over 5 years now. Who want to drive in a loud diesel tractor releasing fumes into our kids’s lungs?
If you have problems with diesel tractors, don’t put your kid by the exhaust pipe! Also, you could get a diesel car or petrol car instead of the tractor.
Talking of diesel tractors, who will produce, process or transport your food, how will they get to work and how do they produce those EV batteries that involves moving hundreds of tonnes of earth materials and shipping them between continents, only to be replaced every decade or so?
The same day hell freezes over for me.
I agree the new auto trader format is absolute toss.
And it doesn’t help either that no matter what perimeters you search for all you get is every 4th car being a sponsored ad for a Polestar lease.
Yes it’s annoying
Same old story....companies spend years perfecting their web-site, but keep tinkering with it so now every change makes it worse, not better. And the sponsored ads were there and annoying us on the old page layout too. Waste of time as when you are searching for a specific thing, throwing ads for something else at us is a waste of time....that's not what we are searching for!!!
Filters are worse to use, page layout doesn't seem as good. Generally very poor.
Me personally, I’m a business owner. After the tax & VAT savings and the ability to charge at workplace I quite literally save £5-6k per year as a minimum. For me, an EV is most definitely a no brainer, in fact I’d be mad to use an ICE vehicle in my circumstances.
Agree with all points, especially Auto trader cocking up their site.
It’s very annoying to scroll now
Hi Barrie
Great videos !!
I do like your new videos on your life in motor trade
@@garryhills8648 thankyou, there are more coming soon please keep watching
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Hi Barrie
I used to work at Preston college as a brickwork lecturer.
We used to go in a lot of pubs in town
And I think I recognise you.
@garryhills8648 well I still go to a lot of pubs in town so you possibly do 😂
the Lotus position looks unsustainable...
The price of those is utterly bonkers
An EV requires more barrels of oil to be consume during in its production process than any ICE vehicle, Barrie, nearer to 60,000 miles at the minimum. See Michael P Mills Skagen Fondene lecture about the impossibility of a Net Zero transition just on mining grounds alone.
Not with new sodium ion battery technology or aluminum batteries. The lithium ion story takes into account mining etc but when it comes to oil, nobody takes into account the survey ships that have to look for it, the oil rigs that drill for it, the production platforms that have to be built and towed out to sea to extract and process it. The helicopter transfer of personnel, the supply ships that go backwards and forwards with supplies, the pipelines that have to be laid to get the oil ashore, the inspection ships that have to monitor and repair the pipeline, the oil refineries that have to break the oil down into its components, the oil tankers that have to move oil and oil products around the globe, the storage facilities that keep the products in tanks, the fleet of tankers that take the products to the airports and petrol stations... phew! and then they say that making lithium ion batteries is not good for the environment!!!!
City's yes , out in the country no , having anything forced upon you will always come will resistance, and always should be 🇬🇧, the turning of the tide is naturally done 🇬🇧
I think the video is missing the point of how far you travel in a typical week and whether you can home charge.
If you make a lot of fairly short journeys, a used EV (say 3 years old), is a no brainer.
However, longer journeys will prove difficult depending on where you're going and what time of day it is when charging.
An EV isn't just about the car, it's buying into the home and public charging. The experience of this will differ person by person.
BEVs become a no brainer as a Trabant 2.0. In case they are "sooo good" they need to become mandatory. 😂
Never, in a million years, will I want an EV. Well, maybe if they can replace the delicate killer batteries they use now but never a second hand one with the current batteries.
It’s a quandry
The statistics show that per 1000 vehicles, a petrol car is more likely to cause a fire than an electric one. Makes sense really when you think they are filled with gallons and gallons of a highly inflammable liquid placed in close proximity to a large heat source with high voltage sparks being required to ignite the stuff!!
Peugeot near me has EV 208's Pre Reg for 18k, List is 33k that is how well they are selling in the real world 🤣
its scary
I've just bought 36 rolls of Andrex !!
Wow! Did Barry just say we were gonna run out of toilet paper! Tell everyone! Buy buy buy!
Let me guess,.5 women in the house. 36 rolls might last two months under those circumstances.
I had my first experience driving an EV this week, my 911 was in for warranty work and they gave me a new EV Macan
I am what I would term a full on car/motorbike fanatic
What are my thoughts, I actually really quite liked it, drove remarkably well, fast, handled well, comfortable and nice cruising around towns in silence
Would I own one, absolutely not, the depreciation stories I have seen and heard would make me run a mile
I noticed this loan car was also listed on Autotrader, it has 2,000 miles on, is a fairly base model with lots of options and is priced at nearly £90,000
I honestly could not comprehend the price, new car prices are utterly madness, especially EV’s as you know ultimately it will be worthless in years to come
You have summed up probably most peoples reluctance, the EV experience is a remarkable drive, but I could not sink my own money into such an uncertainty looking at the real world used market. I , unlike the very small number's of adopters that are buying them, cannot justify the loss. I will stick with hybrids for the time.
@@limitedmark It's getting to the point where a used Taycan is very considerable because of that very reason. I can basically buy a Taycan for the price of a crap BMW and cost way less to run than something of equal performance.
@ You could easily, there will be a point that they will hit rock bottom and you wont lose too much, its then just the upkeep . Flip side is If the car does go tits up, you are at the hands of the main dealer, this being Porsche. ouch! But the bright side is there wont be an issue and you have a great car that sum idiot took all the pain for. Win
@roydevans Just as Barrie often does, it's easy to cherry pick good and bad examples for both EVs and ICE. These are early and difficult days for the decarbonisation of transport. EVs will be cheaper than ICE sooner than you think and depreciation will do its coming and going as it normally does with any new technology.
You can get a used EV for less than 3 grand, but you can't get one that can do more than 50 miles on a full charge, and a new battery costs ten times the value of the vehicle itself.
That's because all EVs of that age could only travel 80 miles from new. They make brilliant local commute and shopping cars now. But as you say, makes no sense to change the battery pack as that would only get back to 80 miles anyway. A little known fact about such EVs is that they only lose range. Performance remains the same as when new so they just need plugging more often and if at home that costs pennies compared to petrol.
The new MG Cyberster is a stunning looking car with stylish scissor action doors, just the right size (the MGF was too small) great view over the bonnet, strangely lacking in boot space, but it needs a proper engine , like a BMW straight six. It is a brilliant piece of styling, but I wouldn't buy electric.
I hope it all goes breasts up for the whole net zero agenda, because let's face it, not many other countries are bothering, just seems like the UK is becoming the sacrificial lamb.
Not sure about that. VW are in Chinese vehicle manufacture’s cross hairs. The company is carrying more debt than it’s overall worth. The Chinese are building assembly plants in Poland and Hungary avoiding any tariffs. The CEO of BYD has said there will be a blood bath and most legacy companies will go bankrupt. Leaving 5-7 main companies in the market. None will build ICE vehicles
It does
@@shreeshsaurya4203 Why? The factory will require millions to upgrade and the potential labour costs will be prohibitive. Much cheaper to build assembly plants in Poland and Hungary. Any investment will be a fraction of what VW currently has..
@@shreeshsaurya4203 The factory in Spain is relatively new compared to VW plants Secondly, all of Nissan’s vehicles are going to be built in China. The merger with Honda is 80%political. It’s doomed to fail
Thats because everybody else has seen it's a scam. We just have an idiotic government and media who are attached to the frankly ridiculous concept that CO2 is a temperature control stat
2018 Honda. Does over 400 miles and takes five to fill ncluding going inside. If I could pay at the pump, like they do in the States, it would take about three minutes. Get back to me when an EV can do this.
Wow so who bares the deprecation the main dealer or the manufacturer? I don't understand if it's the dealer how can they possibly afford it ?
No brainer? When they give them away for free like the used to with drinks glasses at petrol stations!
Tiger Tokens, had totally forgotten about those!
Still wouldn't want one! Would rather have the glass
For a lot of people they are simply never going to work. If you can rent them for short distance commuting for £100 / month, yes that might work.
If the EV stealth funding was used to find public transport to be at an affordable level there could be less demand for any type of car?
Good point, yesterday I had the choice of taking a trip on a bus, or walking 4 miles, I walked I really can’t face public transport
Can you show us a trip down a car showroom to show us the damage it’s doing to main dealers
Don't let the EVangelists tell you that EVs are in short supply because they're selling out. Have a look at Portbury Dock in Bristol. There's 'millions' of new unsold EVs being stored there. You can see them from the Flyover. The numbers are staggering.
in 2019 there was a battery conversion 32k euro - for Messerschmitt Kr200 1960 classics 3 wheel bubble cars, never caught on went back to Sachs 2 stroke.
I'm sure if people thought they were value for money they would sell. This tells me that people don't really want them even at the super low prices. Can you find any petrol cars that have been up for sale since 2023 and they are half price now ?
All to solve a non-existent problem.
How long on average does it take to sell a one year old EV, compared to ICE?
I for one will NEVER buy an EV. I'll keep hold of my 3lt Discovery 4 until it can no longer run.....
At what point? How about now?
Things aren’t looking good at the moment
My take away from this video is you can buy yourself an amazing high tech high performance EV car for a knock down price.
You just let some wealthy mug by it new and then you buy it used. Its a form of wealth redistribution 🙂
Sadly it doesn’t work like that, poor people lose their jobs instead
@@BarrieCrampton I'm not sure I follow your logic.
Err yeah explain ? Barrie
Won't this thing, under the new tax rules come up for the "luxury" EV tax for the next 4yrs as well?
Yes it will
Toilet rolls are much more a finished practical product for humanity than a battery electric vehicle
97% of all new car sales in Norway last year were pure electric.
Would never have one with current batteries, mileage not good enough, especially second hand ones the mileage reduces. The Insurance is high, any bump may cause a major safety issue.
Just been watching the video of the UK taxi driver with a 450,000 mile Tesla model S. Battery diagnostics showed it was at 72% capacity still.
Would be interesting if you put ice vehicles with less than 1000 miles into Autotrader to see how many come up and how long they've been on sale for and if they've been discounted?
True but the government aren’t forcing manufacturers to sell ice cars at a loss, it’s because of EVs having to be pre registered en masse that ICE car residuals are falling too to compete, 95% of cars for sale on autotrader are ice and we still don’t know how many pre registered EVs are hidden away as they seem to be being released on to the market at 3,6,9,12,15,18,21, and 24 month old in dribs and drabs, you can now buy delivery mileage 2 year old EVs directly from the manufacturers,
Didn't you say that residuals are now high for petrol/diesel and bailing out the lease companies?
Does a highly reputable company like Warranty Holdings offer battery policy's yet?....I've been gone from UK for quite a long time but I remember these being absolute pirates.....maybe late 90s early 2000s I changed a lot of timing belts on ex BT grey vans....for a guy....he just gave 3 months warranty from own pocket...25 years gone by in a moment😂😂😂
What boring colours and it seems to be the norm nowadays. I like fire red but diesel and petrol only 😊😊😊
JFGI...when lithium burns:
Li Lithium Carmine red; invisible through green glass
I tick all the right boxes as someone who should consider buying an EV. When I can buy a very nice one for less than £3000 which looks a good bet for at least another 5 years I may even think about doing so. Why should I care if someone else losses over £100,000 providing me with an almost new top of the range motor for almost bugger all? To be honest I have become bored with worrying about what idiots do with their own money. Look after number one, I say. I will never understand why even rich people like myself spend more than £4000 on a motor, but I thank the Lord that they do every time my Merc starts up. I must have slept off or something because new car prices seem to have mysteriously grown an extra zero without me noticing. Every time I spend my 4 grand which is not at all often, the quality of the car keeps getting better and its longevity longer.
Simple. The moment you decide to buy an EV you are exercising your “no brainer”.
Industrial scale gaslighting. Like we saw in 2020.
We’re already at that point …….. you must be brainless to buy an EV - and you’ll definitely lose your mind when you try to sell it. 😊
I think around 97% of all new car sales in Norway last year were pure electric. Clearly the Norwegians would disagree with you. I wonder why?
@ Nope, it was 89% but anybody who bought an ICE car last year would realise it would have almost zero resale value plus they are crucified with additional taxes. As of 2025 it is not possible to buy an ICE car in Norway….. so you think this might have an effect on the statistics?
He doesn't like Amis being discounted, does he? 🤣
No I don’t 😂
It wasn’t the discount ,it was the initial price being way too high.
@@ridbanner1407 Same when I saw the Smart ForTwo in 1999/2000. It should have been the car to solve everyone's transportation needs - from teenagers to grannies. Cheap to run, cheap insurance, easy to park, low maintenance costs and easily customiseable by the owner. Then when it launched it was more than a regular small sized car! Somebody somewhere knobbled Smart.
Far too many horror stories about dead batteries and owners left with massive bills to replace them. No thanks. If the engine blows on my 18 year old Volvo I'll buy another one for 2k quid. Normal people don't have 40k to drop on a new car
Exactly this and you can’t jump start ev’s because of the battery type and all the ecu’s
The common theme of huge discounts across all different brands of EV highlights very clearly that nobody wants them - it's that simple. You don't buy a Loti or a Ferrari to get an electric SUV you buy them to get a nimble sports car or for a screaming V12. The presentation of Auto Trader now is shocking. Give me that 5L Mustang!🙂
This shows the facts and figures in the real world NOT someone’s silly little irrelevant spread sheet, however, more significantly it shows that despite offering these substantial price reductions and huge quantities of available vehicles there is STILL no interest to purchase. Manufacturers cannot blindly continue producing hopelessly unsaleable vehicles . . . there will be a day of reckoning and it will hurt. Remember - These price reductions are on NEW vehicles, therefore, USED vehicle values can only plummet almost into oblivion at this rate.
The bigger the depreciation the more likely people who were even considering an EV will just hang on for further price drops
None of these are EVs I would ever consider buying, they all have some major downside that keeps them off the list. Air cooled batteries (obsolete tech), high price for a brand that your fellow bankers won't recognise, or one just not associated with expensive cars. And then there are things like the Taycan or the Q8, bought by people who usually obsess over noise, or capacity of the engine, or position on a model pecking order. In my experience there are three basic types of Porsche buyer: the German who does high Autobahn mileage (one guy I encountered was commuting 50 000 miles a year), the engineer, and the status freak. The first group won't buy a Taycan because it doesn't do what they need, the second group won't because they can't maintain it themselves, and the third group live in a world in which all their friends sneer at EVs anyway. That leaves the people with lots of money who buy one for the experience and then discover that once you've played with all the bits it just becomes normal. And those people don't buy second hand.
I did see a 2015 Leaf on the road this morning but most of it was Hyundais, MGs, BMWs and the odd Mokka, with one Model 3 from 2019. All practical company cars.
Im serious anyone out there want to give me 10K so I can have a no brainer good buy of a Model Y and I am all in. Not ready to do that? Then stop being a hypocrite and hiding behind government thieves. Sure if you want to be an electric car its so much nicer to have the government take the money for you - but. if you have to be the one to pay then your a hypocrite right? Either stop being a hypocrite and send me $10,000 USD and I"ll go buy the Model Y - or go get 5 friends and each pay me $2000 you can afford that to save the planet right? Go on I drive a lot so I am a very good candidate to save CO2 - let me know when you have the money. It will be a no brainer for me when I get that extra little help.
They are a no brainer. Don't buy them at any price.
I am like you, I still think that steam engines are better for our trains than these new diesel and electric locomotives.
Right at what point can you force others to pay enough tax to make it cheap enough for me to buy an BEV - Norway gives about half the cars cost in subsidies - that has to be a no brainer right? So say you pay me directly instead of the government being the middle man and forcing you to pay me at the threat of imprisonment? Just pay me $10,000 USD and I"ll Buy a model Y. OK you'll be saving the planet - so you can feel real good about it. Well BEVs do weight a lot more and use a lot more CO2 for mining the rare earths, and they catch fire so I am taking a risk here. Let me know when your ready to send me the $10k. That is what I'd get in subsidies between the US fed government thieves and the State thieves. You do want to do this right? OK, its a no brainer now.
I think for some people they will be fine , others such as those who can't self charge .. stick with petrol
Good advice
EV's are coming that will do 700+ miles on a charge. It is likely we will recharge them at ASDA when we do our shopping. We will look back and laugh at the concept of "home charging" just as we look back now and laugh at the concept of "dial up internet". Things are going to move quickly.
Plenty of people doing it already
No brainer for me DON,T want one . As for the auto trader site it crap ! as the saying goes if it not broken it don,t need fixing !
im losing the will to live! back in the day autotrader was a must read the magazine on a thursday with proper cars capris cortinas astra gtes etc etc now its like watching paint dry and even if i was buying a car ? but im not you might as well stick a pin anywhere on any car as they all look the same i.e bland and horrible. sad times we live in
Can we say my Sunderland built 140k leaf is now carbon neutral?
Yep I think it’s safe to say that it is 👍
The real question is if your car is more environmentally friendly than an ICE equivalent.
@@marviwilson1853 I think so and I've had the bonus of the significant cost savings over the last 5 years
Never…….
Are folk off their rockers paying £15k down and then paying £1250 per month for 48 months ...
Then not even owning it at the end 😂😆😂
Crazy folk.
I'll keep my old car and go on 4 luxury holidays a year thanks ⚠️
Pretty much!
Well they are if they weren’t there’d be no dealers left, people like new stuff that’s the way of the modern world chasing the dream.
@madds6678 I call it keeping up with the Jones next door.
New cars are hardly chasing a dream, the quality of them are dreadful, apart from certain premium models .
They are not a Lotus in any shape or form.
You can't get AT Price Checker now Barry, looks like the EV Evangelists have closed it down
Millennial website IT guru’s operating tow tow trader I guess..
They'd be a no-brainer when they do 600 miles on a charge. Take 10 minutes to refill and dont cause more destruction to the planet than ICE engines.
Why do they need to do 600 miles 🤔 how are they doing more destruction to the planet 🤔
They’re not polluting our cities & if you go for the lithium narrative well we are still mining for gold, silver & all other minerals, diamonds. Don’t forget the tablet laptop or smartphone that you watched & commented on this has a lithium battery but that’s not destroying our planet is it & you won’t be giving them up will you 🤔
8:14 My Ami Vibe? Not Miami Vice then?
Yep the model is a Vibe, although I call my Ami “Crockett” hence my Ami Vice 😂
F toilet rolls, they can all fight over those, I have a detachable shower head.
Ah a French man amongst us 😂
@madds6678 who decided the bidet was out of fashion?
At no point do EVs become a no brainer.
I have a petrol car on 217,000 miles. I think its made carbon neutral status 😊
It’s likely emitted over 50 million grams of CO2. Not sure if that makes it neutral, but trees will like it.
@mikewhitehead50 I think the carbon neutral calculation requires you to estimate the number of miles you have to travel in order to equal the co2 expended in the CONSTRUCTION of the car.
@mikewhitehead50 Yes, the climate change nartsees don't account for the beneficial effect of CO2 on plant life. Fossil fuels all resulted from plant life.
@@Dungshoveleux carbon neutral with cars isn’t a thing. Carbon equal in terms of EV vs ICE can be though.
An EV has to drive a certain number of clean miles before construction co2 plus driving co2 is equal to ICE construction and driving co2. How many miles depends on who you ask. It varies a lot.
Well if you get say 35 mpg then you have burned through 6200 gallons of petrol. Carbon neutral? I doubt it!
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This is only a "Percentage" of the EV UNSALEABLE/ UNWANTED LEMONS . How many are NOT on AUTOTRADER . Who has Money in all these cars which are eating it !!. Who has Money in the Airfields Full Of Pre Reg. Sombody come up with a answer / name ??.
Pretty sure compensation in some form being paid by the taxpayer; probably hidden/disguised somewhere in the form of environmental grant aid.
@kevinmoffatt Add the " THOUSANDS " Cluttering up Rotterdam, Antwerp. This whole EV Adventure is out of control , when you look at the full picture. NOT the selective bits the evangelistors want to see.
@kevinmoffatt Fair coment plausable with the Idiots we have as agovernment. BUT " If" they got 25% there is still a Huge figure remaining to finance . Somwhere there is a lot of Red Ink been covered up and getting worse . What is the name in the V5 of all this Pre Reg . ???.
is there any merit to the 20k carbon neutral number, or just commonly accepted greenwashing being normalized?