Becket had been a top administrator in Henry's government before taking holy orders and rising quickly in the Church. He had not led a cloistered, monastic life. Henry thought he could wield influence over his close friend, but Becket answered to an even higher authority.
@@sammcpeak6854 Correct; Becket was appointed chancellor to Henry II in 1155. He was installed Archbishop of Canterbury in 1162, but two years later was exiled to France, where he lived a monastic life at Pontigny and Sens. He was still Archbishop, however. His contempt regarding Henry's rule had put a price on his head. He had ecclesiastical duties to fulfill. He was murdered in Canterbury Cathedral December 29, 1170.
I was to the church many years ago where his shrine once stood until Henry VIII destroyed it. Now there is only a simple candle that marks the spot. Henry VIII destroyed so many ancient manuscripts regarding the Catholic Church in England. We will never know the complete history of the church in England because of this evil king.
No, Christ's Catholic Church didn't go too far. Henry had been so much a faithful Catholic, that the Pope himself labeled Henry "Defender of the Faith." Just a few short years later, Henry turned on the Church and his fellow Catholics just because the Pope said (and rightly so) that Henry's marriage to Catherine was indeed valid. Thousands upon thousands of Catholics were arrested, tortured, and slaughtered for 300 years.
Coming from a nation who is the enemy of Englnd , I pray that they may turn to Christ again and rid themselves of the stain of the evil , illegitimate kings .
Thanks be to God for Henry VIII for bringing us closer to Jesus Christ and further away from the papal pagans in Rome. As close to an Antichrist church as can be. superstition and idolatrous worship. Held together by dogma. Christ is risen Alleluia
Beautiful sequence. The beauty and reverence of the Traditional Catholic rituals. Richard Burton's voice at the Episcopal benediction [ 3:21 ] is so fittingly majestic, beautiful, I love replaying this portion (actually this entire sequence), just to hear the vocal reverence of the ceremony. Thank you for uploading this.
This is the very reason why we need to return to our Catholic Traditions - I was born into Vatican II but I heard Nuns chanting the Divine Office in Latin as a child and having attended a Traditional Latin Mass in my teens, I fell in love with my faith many years later, which prompted my return to my faith - now I attend TLM every Sunday and pray the Rosary in Latin Daily
Agreed, but there is one error in the sanctuary arrangement. St. Thomas Becket lived in the 12th century. Tabernacles weren't put on the altar until the 16th century. Prior to this, the reserved Eucharist was kept in a special cabinet called an aumbry, recessed into the wall on either side of the altar, or was placed above it in a gold vessel (often shaped like a dove) suspended by chains.
@@gunnarthorsen Ahhh. I now understand what my friend meant when he told me the Tabernacle in his Cathedral where he goes for Mass wasn't on the Altar.
@@gunnarthorsen Actually, the throne should be on the Gospel side of the sanctuary (to a congregants left). The altar was still against the wall. The aumbry is where the Holy Oils are reserved, however reserving the Eucharist there was common practice in England pre-Reformation. (This is still observed in Anglo-Catholic/High Episcopalian churches.)
I am an Anglican, and I wish I had a time machine to see the church in this time. To see the old Canterbury Cathedral before the fire in 1174, the Old St. Paul's Cathedral, complete with huge spire, before it was destroyed in the 1500s, the mighty monasteries at places such as Fountains Abbey and Jervaulx.
Great scene but it would have been better if the entire liturgy was in Latin with subtitles, rather than speak it in English. Beautiful vestments though and great cinematography.
Quelle magnifique procession qui donne beaucoupmde solennité. Et l’orgue, le chœur sous les voûtes! C’est de toute beauté. Salutations cordiales depuis le nord du Québec.
Later, sadly, Henry II's comment, sometimes attributed as "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?", led to Beckett's death/assassination by four of the King's Knights. I am aware that there is controversy about Henry's exact wording but nonetheless the deed was done.
Only people power will do that but those in control have the advantage of demanding obedience 2:21 from their followers. Obstinate refusal gets you excommunicated and you end up like the Palmerian church.
I loved Peter O Tool’s stories about he & Richard Burton would go out drinking at night. Burton, O Tool, Moffat, Gielgud, Olivier had worked with each other on the stage for years.
Danny M. "It's sad to see how they took all the ancient traditions away." Have you experienced the consecration of a bishop? It is still much like what's shown here. Except longer. *Much* longer. :-)
The words of the ritual are so weighty - guardian of the Spouse of God, dedication, commitment and vigilance, faith. Nothing about welcoming this or that special person, NHS, current events, etc etc the nonsense that is spoken at the beginning, middle and end in many services. The core of it is completely other-worldly and worthwhile.
3:16 This twenty seconds or so of antiphon/response singing contains some authentic-sounding pitch dropping. Interesting, considering that most of the rest held pitch pretty well.
@BWilliam Leo I was wondering about that. But there's no tabernacle on the same altar (I think it's the same altar) in the excommunication of Lord Gilbert scene and in the last scene when Becket is murdered. Could it be that a tabernacle was placed on altars during episcopal consecrations at that time?
Since the principal purpose of the tabernacle was the reservation of the Blessed Sacramentfor the sick and dying its placement on the altar ( which was a later development ) during the consecration of a bishop was very odd indeed. It was interesting to note, that the Chalice on the altar was covered by the back end of the Corporal which is historically correct for the time period. Today a separate cloth call a Pall is used.
Traditionally, a Catholic altar always has an odd number of steps leading up to it. Yet there are four steps. A minor quable for a well recreated historical set. Odd how the bishop's cathedra is behind the altar when it is usually to the left of the altar in most Cathedrals.
@@mosesking2923 Well it is supposed to be Canterbury and in Canterbury the Anglican heretic has the Throne in Center place above the Altar, so thats probably where they got it.
I can only pray that they will show the real true Holy Mass of tradition. God took it away from us because we are NOT WORTHY ANYMORE OF HIS REAL PRESENCE. When I was searching for it long ago and crying to Him I was asking Him where can I find it? Then I was saying to Him Lord you took IT away because we didn't love it as we are supposed to do and we are not worthy anymore of THY REAL PRESENCE.
In those days the mitres were smaller and less ostentatious. I read somewhere that abbots were instructed to wear simple mitres of less costly making and decoration. The author said it didn't take that directive long before it was ignored.
For those who wonder about the presence of 3 bishops doing the consecrating, it is an ancient tradition observed to this day by the Roman Catholics, Anglicans and (I think) Orthodox. This is to ensure the validity of the lines of Apostolic Succession being bestowed upon the new bishop.
Becket was a rather imperious guy. Even the Pope didn't really like him. Henry had made a very bad decision in picking his very worldly and rich friend. Becket liked to wield power. Unfortunately for Becket he thought he was more untouchable than he actually was. Henry most probably did not want Becket killed, but he did find the assassination helpful to his plans. This film gets the costumes of the clergy spot on to what a 12th century bishop would look like. Too often films showing clergy have sort of clergy-ish costumes.
Still looks very clergy-ish to me (layman) :D What contrasts did you have in mind? And is this church a representation of the older Canterbury cathedral?
I am 85 and I perfectly remember having watched this film when it opened - The ceremony was all in latin (and I pray in Latin every day since I was young) (as I am a Peruvian in Lima my language is Spanish, a daugther lnguage of Latin
@@arnoldconrad744 The movie is based on an English translation of a play by the French playwright Jean Anouilh. I guess there's no telling how vernacular, or how idiomatic, it was going to turn out. "Ah, it's time for my snack," says King Henry earlier in the movie.
The original Rite of Episcopal consecration and ordination in the 12th century would have been in Latin. However, since Latin is not understood by the vast majority of people today, it made perfect sense for the producers of the film to present the rite in the vernacular .
Becket is a 1964 British historical drama film about the historic, tumultuous relationship between Henry II of England and his friend-turned-bishop Thomas Becket. It is a dramatic film adaptation of the 1959 play Becket or the Honour of God by Jean Anouilh, made by Hal Wallis Productions and released by Paramount Pictures. It was directed by Peter Glenville and produced by Hal B. Wallis with Joseph H. Hazen as executive producer. The screenplay was written by Edward Anhalt, based on Anouilh's play. The music score was by Laurence Rosenthal, the cinematography by Geoffrey Unsworth and the editing by Anne V. Coates.
That was a true investiture of St Augustin and Anselm successor. The last two investitures were rudiculously pantomimic shamanic- politically - correct and multicultural mamboo.
Sacerdos et Pontifex, et virtutum opifex, pastor bone in populo, sic placuísti Domino. O priest and bishop, thou worker of all virtues, good shepherd of thy people, pray for us to the Lord. [The text is in the Liber Usualis for the Solemn Reception of a Bishop]
The abbies and monastery were mostly dissolved. The cathedrals were taken over by King Henry VIII and bishops appointed loyal to him and not the pope. They remained Catholic in worship until his son Edward VI became king who had been brought up Lutheran. The Catholic Mass was banned and replaced and replaced with the Lutheran service of Holy Communion. Those who refuse to attend the new services were called recusants. They were fined, imprisoned and had property confiscated. The Motr obstinate ones were charged with treason and executed.
I don't see it as evil, but as an unnecessary change that as Cardinal Ottaviani said represents a striking departure from the theology of the Tridentine Mass. This change was thought to facilitate the union of the Anglican and Lutheran churches with Rome if those things that they found in the Tridentine Mass at odds with their theology of the service of Holy Communion. That has not happened, and did immeasurable damage to the church and faithful causing many to go into schism and apostasy and a death of vocations with many religious houses and seminaries being closed or much reduced in occupancy with only a few elderly members of once thriving community.
Look at the vestments that Becket and the bishops are wearing. They're beautiful, fitting, traditional, but also masculine. I will never understand why traditionalists priests today are so in love with effeminate looking albs dripping with lace, and skimpy chasubles that look like two flaps of cloth hanging down front and back, known as the Roman or fiddleback chasuble. This came into being as an innovation, a departure FROM tradition. In stead of simplifying overly ornamented Gothic chasubles that made it hard for priests to move in the late 1400's, the solution was to cut more and more away from the sides! Two popes and St. Charles Borromeo spoke out against the so called Roman chasuble. Want to be traditional? Want to exemplify Christ as a priest and a MAN? Go back to what we see in this film!
Yeah, of all the problems with Catholic liturgy, I don't think that the laced albs is highest on the priority list. Bringing back the Tridentine Mass (pre-1955) is all that will suffice. The aesthetics, like ugly vestments and ugly churches, can easily be fixed later.
Whatever chasubles and albs were used by Saint Pius X are the best style. "The holiness of the sacred is despised; the majesty of divine worship is not only disapproved by evil men, but defiled and held up to ridicule." ~ His Holiness Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (5) www.papalencyclicals.net/greg16/g16mirar.htm
There is a difference between restoring Tradition and falling victim to and surrendering to the blandishments of antiquarianism: www.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_20111947_mediator-dei.html
@@mosesking2923 laced albs are the best, considering that they are the most beautiful and majestic for God. I mean, they were standard for Saint Pius X. "The holiness of the sacred is despised; the majesty of divine worship is not only disapproved by evil men, but defiled and held up to ridicule." ~ His Holiness Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (5) www.papalencyclicals.net/greg16/g16mirar.htm
Well this is just a depiction of what really happened during the Consecration. It was obviously Latin before, and we can clearly see, the Old rite is being said "It is a Bishop's duty to preach etc"
Beautiful movie scene. Though I can't help but wonder how many of those happy peasants cheering outside starved while the church hegemony swept about the cathedrals swathed in silks and speckled with gold and jewels. Strange, then, to see so many of the comments on these clips shouting for a return to this setup.
I doubt that most of those "starving peasants" would have begrudged the beauty of God's house or shared your secularist views. I didn't see a church building swathed in silk but assume you meant the vestments worn by the bishops.
You sound like the Pharisees condemning the woman who poured expensive ointment on our Lords feet. Our Lord blessed this woman's homage and deference. In the Old Testament, God Himself commanded the Hebrews in the Sinai Desert how He was to be worshipped. And they were exacting directions, where much gold and skillful craftsmanship was expected. The Levite priests were also expected to arrayed in fine vestments. Not coarse woven garments. If this was demanded of them, we should offer our Lord, God, no less. All glory and honor be His!!!
I'll assume the depiction of investiture was fairly accurate so as not to offend sensibilities. Assuming that, it also demonstrates that the Church was pretty out-of-control by this time. Crowning and enthroning a priest is a little over-the-top. Pretty worldly.
The Mitre and the Throne are symbols of the Episcopacy derived from Biblical Imagery. The Mitre hearkens back to the Mitre or Turban worn by the High Priest Aaron. The Throne or Cathedra hearkens back to the concept of the Chair of Moses mentioned by Christ and to the thrones Christ promised to the Apostles during the Last Supper. Far from being worldly, they illustrate properly the spiritual authority of the Bishop within the Church.
Altars were not always pushed against the wall. That was largely only done in smaller parishes in the Middle Ages where space in the Sanctuary was limited, and was adopted more widely after Trent. The Liturgy was still done ad orientem of course, but the altar was often freestanding, especially in Cathedrals as the Bishop's cathedra would be placed directly behind it, as it still is in the Byzantine Rite. Nothing Novus Ordo about it, just Medieval.
They multiply Priests and saints with a sullen face, perform miracles, cast out demons. Jesus said the tree is known by its fruit. THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO MATTHEW 7: 21-23: 21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and did many miracles in your name?' 23 Then will I tell them plainly that I did not know you at all. Get away from me, you workers of iniquity. Matthew 7: 15-20 15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do they gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles? 17 So every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; and an evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Ye shall know them by their fruits. B. LETTER TO CORINTHIANS (Apostle Paul) 11: 13-15: 13 For such are the apostles, liars, deceitful workers, impersonating the apostles of Christ. 14 And it is not surprising. because Satan also takes the form of a bright angel.15 Wherefore, it is not a great thing that his ministers should be likened unto the ministers of righteousness. Their end will be in proportion to their deeds. 4: 4. In whom is the god of this world? (Satan) blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the light of the glory of the gospel of Christ might not shine upon them, which is the image of God.
Alter boys (called "alter servers" in the modern age, where girls are also allowed to serve) play important roles in the mass. Starting them when they are young serves to instill in them a love of the liturgy, and is a step on the path to a religious vocation.
@@seikibrian8641 let's be real tho, there was also a phenomenal amount of buggering. That's well attested even by writers at the time. Same in monasteries.
It's a terrible mixture of words from the Bible taken out of context and the ornate things of Rome to impress the eyes of the laity. I doubt I'll have many friends in this comment section, but that shouldn't cow me into keeping silent. My Lord Jesus did not die on the Cross for all men who are willing to pay the price of faith to be saved through Him for the Vatican to build up a hierarchy to replace the hierarchy of Judaism! Our Lord Jesus Christ has enshrined the concept that only He is Lord (and what a Lord He is that He washes the feet of Simon Peter and the others and prepares a table for them) and that the rest of us are all brothers. Shall we desert Him and set men over us as rulers, just as the children of Israel did in rebelling against their own God by asking God for a king of their own to replace Samuel's two sons? God forbid!
God created the order of things on a vertical line, not horizontal. You are not on the same level as your father or mother. Protestantism was a revolt against authority, just as much as Lucifer 's was against the authority of God. Liberalism began with Lucifer, and continues to have the same effect today. " I will not serve," is Lucifer's motto.
Traditional Ritualism ... is not Salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ ... but it does put on a great show !!! Still , I suppose not great enough to spend all eternity in hell for dying unsaved. After all ... directed at one of the utmost in education and training and historical traditional ritualistic servants in Judaism ... Nicodemus , a member of the Jewish Ruling Council ... Jesus said , “ I tell you the truth , no one can see the Kingdom of God unless he is born again.” Straight from the mouth of God himself. Traditional Ritualism ... or ... Christianity CHOOSE ... and choose wisely. Semper Fi
All of the ritual centres around the worship of Christ. All of it designed to impart theological knowledge of God to every sense. Were you baptised? Why? It's ritual. Or is it because the Lord instituted it. Investigate our "empty ritual" and see that it is biblical, instituated by the Lord and the disciples.
paxmaster2002 Baptism does NOT save a person. Baptism is the outward expression of a persons FAITH in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior. It symbolizes the condition of our lives ... dead in a state of sin as ordinary folks ... WITHOUT the saving knowledge and acceptance of the free gift of eternal life in Heaven ... instead of the certainty of eternity in hell as an unsaved person. The person is immersed ... that’s the death of self and acceptance of Salvation ... and lifted back up out the water symbolizing the resurrection of our new life in FAITH in God ... washed and made clean ... forgiven of all a persons sins in life. Giving yourself to Jesus means HE is given charge over your life. Jesus is in control of your every aspect of day to day life. Baptism says ... I AM GLORIOUSLY SAVED BY THE CLEANSING BLOOD OF JESUS THAT HE SHED FOR ME ON THAT CROSS. That’s all there is to it. FIRST a person has to be willing ... and make a personal choice to climb out from behind the “wheel” ... representing your life ... and get in the back seat , giving Jesus the drivers seat to do the driving of your life ... WITHOUT a person telling HIM where to turn ... what road to take ... and how fast or slow to drive. Jesus is given CONTROL. Along the way ... a person sitting in the back seat gets to see allot of people that wrapped their lives around telephone poles. Cleaned out a ditch or two ... or worse ... crashed their lives ... head on. Jesus comes to live inside of you when you invite HIM into your life. Get it ? It’s not ritualistic. Religion is ... that’s man made. Christianity is the greatest experience on earth and Jesus said that if it were not so ... he would have told us so. It’s a Supernatural road trip of a lifetime. Allot more exciting than special operations. The mission of a lifetime ... and I’ve never had one ritualistic moment serving our Father in Heaven. Thanks to Jesus ... I am spiritually locked and loaded !!! Semper Fi
Saint Thomas Becket, pray for us!
Becket had been a top administrator in Henry's government before taking holy orders and rising quickly in the Church. He had not led a cloistered, monastic life. Henry thought he could wield influence over his close friend, but Becket answered to an even higher authority.
Upon his exile he did live a cloistered life for a number of years with the Cistercians
@@sammcpeak6854 Correct; Becket was appointed chancellor to Henry II in 1155. He was installed Archbishop of Canterbury in 1162, but two years later was exiled to France, where he lived a monastic life at Pontigny and Sens. He was still Archbishop, however. His contempt regarding Henry's rule had put a price on his head. He had ecclesiastical duties to fulfill. He was murdered in Canterbury Cathedral December 29, 1170.
He also wasn't a Saxon as portrayed in the movie. He was Norman.
I was to the church many years ago where his shrine once stood until Henry VIII destroyed it. Now there is only a simple candle that marks the spot. Henry VIII destroyed so many ancient manuscripts regarding the Catholic Church in England. We will never know the complete history of the church in England because of this evil king.
I mean didn't the catholic church go a little too far
No, Christ's Catholic Church didn't go too far. Henry had been so much a faithful Catholic, that the Pope himself labeled Henry "Defender of the Faith."
Just a few short years later, Henry turned on the Church and his fellow Catholics just because the Pope said (and rightly so) that Henry's marriage to Catherine was indeed valid.
Thousands upon thousands of Catholics were arrested, tortured, and slaughtered for 300 years.
Very true and well said.
Coming from a nation who is the enemy of Englnd , I pray that they may turn to Christ again and rid themselves of the stain of the evil , illegitimate kings .
Thanks be to God for Henry VIII for bringing us closer to Jesus Christ and further away from the papal pagans in Rome. As close to an Antichrist church as can be. superstition and idolatrous worship. Held together by dogma.
Christ is risen
Alleluia
St. John Fisher • pray for us
St. Thomas More • pray for us
St. Thomas Becket • pray for us
The current Catholic church: Pay for Us!
All of the English Jesuit Martyrs, ora pro nobis.
@@brysonstevens1431 amen
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May they intercede on our behalf...
@@brysonstevens1431 *plural is "orate pro nobis"
Richard Burton chants so beautifully.
The commentary track by the composer, Laurence Rosenthal, describes how he taught Burton to chant. I think it's available on UA-cam.
Beautiful sequence. The beauty and reverence of the Traditional Catholic rituals. Richard Burton's voice at the Episcopal benediction [ 3:21 ] is so fittingly majestic, beautiful, I love replaying this portion (actually this entire sequence), just to hear the vocal reverence of the ceremony. Thank you for uploading this.
This is the very reason why we need to return to our Catholic Traditions - I was born into Vatican II but I heard Nuns chanting the Divine Office in Latin as a child and having attended a Traditional Latin Mass in my teens, I fell in love with my faith many years later, which prompted my return to my faith - now I attend TLM every Sunday and pray the Rosary in Latin Daily
Beautiful vestments. Beautifull church(nice historic arangement of the sanctuary).
Excellent
Agreed, but there is one error in the sanctuary arrangement. St. Thomas Becket lived in the 12th century. Tabernacles weren't put on the altar until the 16th century. Prior to this, the reserved Eucharist was kept in a special cabinet called an aumbry, recessed into the wall on either side of the altar, or was placed above it in a gold vessel (often shaped like a dove) suspended by chains.
Also, a catholic pallium is only supposed to have 6 crosses. The archbishop's pallium has 10 it looks like.
@@gunnarthorsen Ahhh. I now understand what my friend meant when he told me the Tabernacle in his Cathedral where he goes for Mass wasn't on the Altar.
@@gunnarthorsen Actually, the throne should be on the Gospel side of the sanctuary (to a congregants left). The altar was still against the wall. The aumbry is where the Holy Oils are reserved, however reserving the Eucharist there was common practice in England pre-Reformation. (This is still observed in Anglo-Catholic/High Episcopalian churches.)
I am an Anglican, and I wish I had a time machine to see the church in this time. To see the old Canterbury Cathedral before the fire in 1174, the Old St. Paul's Cathedral, complete with huge spire, before it was destroyed in the 1500s, the mighty monasteries at places such as Fountains Abbey and Jervaulx.
Great scene but it would have been better if the entire liturgy was in Latin with subtitles, rather than speak it in English. Beautiful vestments though and great cinematography.
Your comment made me think of the baptism sequence in The Godfather, which was Latin.
sono d'accordo, ma c'è l'errore di mettergli il pallio che avrebbe dovuto riceve da Roma dopo la consacrazione
If they really wanted to be accurate they would all be speaking Norman French!
@@tnecklover perhaps in normal day to day life, but not in an ordination
@@jamie7880 True...it should be a combination of both.
How the times were so different, and the contrast with all those years later, is extraordinary
Quelle magnifique procession qui donne beaucoupmde solennité. Et l’orgue, le chœur sous les voûtes!
C’est de toute beauté.
Salutations cordiales depuis le nord du Québec.
Es la mejor recreación de una ordenación Episcopal de cualquier película, francamente la mejor de cuántas hemos visto.🇪🇦
De acuerdo. Solo le falto que fuera todo el rito en latin en lugar de Ingles.
very moving ceremony and so glad it was part of this film
Later, sadly, Henry II's comment, sometimes attributed as "Will no one rid me of this turbulent priest?", led to Beckett's death/assassination by four of the King's Knights. I am aware that there is controversy about Henry's exact wording but nonetheless the deed was done.
Bring our catholic traditions back again
What for. This bullshite goes on for to long. Get rid of this clowns and bring to justice this child molesters. What a disgusting bunch.
@@danielwmwolf your uncle molested you???
Only people power will do that but those in control have the advantage of demanding obedience 2:21 from their followers. Obstinate refusal gets you excommunicated and you end up like the Palmerian church.
The only way forward for our Catholic faith is to restore our Catholic Traditions, especially the Mass in Latin
I loved Peter O Tool’s stories about he & Richard Burton would go out drinking at night. Burton, O Tool, Moffat, Gielgud, Olivier had worked with each other on the stage for years.
That Sunday, they ended up drinking all of the Communion wine! 😁🤣😂🙃😁🍷🍷
“A friend is someone who knows all about you and still loves you.”
That would be our Divine Lord Yeshua.
¡Hermosa escena! ¡Buena fotografía! 🤠🤠🇵🇪
Que pelicula!!!!! Un espectáculo.
The Catholics have changed so much. It's sad to see how they took all the ancient traditions away.
Have no fear, the ancient rites live still. They just get zero media coverage and are disdained by the modernists. Yet they are thriving.
Danny M. "It's sad to see how they took all the ancient traditions away."
Have you experienced the consecration of a bishop? It is still much like what's shown here. Except longer. *Much* longer. :-)
It was antipope paul vi who took the ancient traditions away, not the Catholic Church
@@jeffkoerbor1370 Antipope John XXIII finished it, Bergoglio just continues Satan's work
My friend; there are many traditional Catholic churches where the true rites are still performed .
The words of the ritual are so weighty - guardian of the Spouse of God, dedication, commitment and vigilance, faith.
Nothing about welcoming this or that special person, NHS, current events, etc etc the nonsense that is spoken at the beginning, middle and end in many services.
The core of it is completely other-worldly and worthwhile.
Maravillosa película.❤️🇪🇦
3:16 This twenty seconds or so of antiphon/response singing contains some authentic-sounding pitch dropping. Interesting, considering that most of the rest held pitch pretty well.
It felt good to hear kyrie eleison being chanted.
The tabernacle was not on the altar at that time in England, a small mistake here
@BWilliam Leo I was wondering about that. But there's no tabernacle on the same altar (I think it's the same altar) in the excommunication of Lord Gilbert scene and in the last scene when Becket is murdered. Could it be that a tabernacle was placed on altars during episcopal consecrations at that time?
Since the principal purpose of the tabernacle was the reservation of the Blessed Sacramentfor the sick and dying its placement on the altar ( which was a later development ) during the consecration of a bishop was very odd indeed. It was interesting to note, that the Chalice on the altar was covered by the back end of the Corporal which is historically correct for the time period. Today a separate cloth call a Pall is used.
Traditionally, a Catholic altar always has an odd number of steps leading up to it. Yet there are four steps. A minor quable for a well recreated historical set. Odd how the bishop's cathedra is behind the altar when it is usually to the left of the altar in most Cathedrals.
@@mosesking2923 Well it is supposed to be Canterbury and in Canterbury the Anglican heretic has the Throne in Center place above the Altar, so thats probably where they got it.
@@RezaChity-G before the altar sat right next to the wall, the cathedra was always behind it. Study a bit more history.
Bellissima l'investitura di Bechet. Alida.
I can only pray that they will show the real true Holy Mass of tradition. God took it away from us because we are NOT WORTHY ANYMORE OF HIS REAL PRESENCE.
When I was searching for it long ago and crying to Him I was asking Him where can I find it? Then I was saying to Him Lord you took IT away because we didn't love it as we are supposed to do and we are not worthy anymore of THY REAL PRESENCE.
Praise God forever.Thank you Jesus for your love for us.
You must be joking. In this day and age you still think this religious BS is relevant. Science cleared the way to knowledge.
@@danielwmwolf
Science is no substitute for GOD...
@@danielwmwolf The knowledge of science is a gift from God though.
Crazy to think that one king destroyed a whole church in his country only to divorce his wife he constantly used.
Who else thought the ring pillow was a cake
me
And me!
I thought it to be some sort of pie or thing like a plum pudding or fig tort. Fooled me completely until right before removal.
I knew it wasn't a cake but it still made me hungry.
I love this film!
Saint Thomas Becket pray for us!
The chanting is on-point.
In those days the mitres were smaller and less ostentatious. I read somewhere that abbots were instructed to wear simple mitres of less costly making and decoration. The author said it didn't take that directive long before it was ignored.
For those who wonder about the presence of 3 bishops doing the consecrating, it is an ancient tradition observed to this day by the Roman Catholics, Anglicans and (I think) Orthodox. This is to ensure the validity of the lines of Apostolic Succession being bestowed upon the new bishop.
Wow feels like yesterday but it’s what 900 years now
3:36 BENEDICAT VOS OMNIPOTENS DEUS!
Amen.
Becket was a rather imperious guy. Even the Pope didn't really like him. Henry had made a very bad decision in picking his very worldly and rich friend. Becket liked to wield power. Unfortunately for Becket he thought he was more untouchable than he actually was. Henry most probably did not want Becket killed, but he did find the assassination helpful to his plans. This film gets the costumes of the clergy spot on to what a 12th century bishop would look like. Too often films showing clergy have sort of clergy-ish costumes.
Still looks very clergy-ish to me (layman) :D
What contrasts did you have in mind?
And is this church a representation of the older Canterbury cathedral?
wait, wait, wait! I saw this film when it was new around 1960 - the ceremony was in LATIN! this is the middle ages - Vatican II was centuries ahead!
I assume it was spoken in English translation for dramatic effect but the text accurately reflected the Latin original.
I am 85 and I perfectly remember having watched this film when it opened - The ceremony was all in latin (and I pray in Latin every day since I was young) (as I am a Peruvian in Lima my language is Spanish, a daugther lnguage of Latin
@@arnoldconrad744 The movie is based on an English translation of a play by the French playwright Jean Anouilh. I guess there's no telling how vernacular, or how idiomatic, it was going to turn out. "Ah, it's time for my snack," says King Henry earlier in the movie.
@@voltape Do you think that God prefers Latin rather than the language we use among friends?
@@georgenorris2657 Yes, absolutely. It is language of his Mystic Body, Holy Church.
The good old days!
Looks very accurate.
magnificent!
it should have been in latin
The original Rite of Episcopal consecration and ordination in the 12th century would have been in Latin. However, since Latin is not understood by the vast majority of people today, it made perfect sense for the producers of the film to present the rite in the vernacular .
@@giovanniserafino1731 and what about subtitles? Have ya heard about them?
May i know what movie is this?
Becket.
No psrt of this would have been spoken in English. I wish they had done it in Latin, and used subtitles.
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This is what Protestants took from us
What Satan took from us
This scene couldn't've worked as well in any actor's voice but Donald Wolfit's.
Anybody knows what song is this on the beginning?
the Magnificat?
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What movie?
Becket is a 1964 British historical drama film about the historic, tumultuous relationship between Henry II of England and his friend-turned-bishop Thomas Becket.
It is a dramatic film adaptation of the 1959 play Becket or the Honour of God by Jean Anouilh, made by Hal Wallis Productions and released by Paramount Pictures.
It was directed by Peter Glenville and produced by Hal B. Wallis with Joseph H. Hazen as executive producer.
The screenplay was written by Edward Anhalt, based on Anouilh's play.
The music score was by Laurence Rosenthal, the cinematography by Geoffrey Unsworth and the editing by Anne V. Coates.
What is the name of the Beautiful chat ?
Which one. There are several in this scene.
1st chant
@@bardalatos1710 Magnificat anima mea Dominum.
How the sound’s called?
This would have been in Latin in its entirety. Would have added dramatic effect to have done it in the movie.
It’s good to hear the prayers of the episcopal consecration.
I need to watch this movie. What is it?
Thomas Becket I think. It was on YT last time I checked.
@@TheZombieman87 just Becket.
A l'an deux mille chez nous sécurité intérieure nationaux Occidentaux Gondor Royaume Francs France etc.............
Qual filme ?
That was a true investiture of St Augustin and Anselm successor.
The last two investitures were rudiculously pantomimic shamanic- politically - correct and multicultural mamboo.
What is the exit hymn?
Sacerdos et Pontifex, et virtutum opifex, pastor bone in populo, sic placuísti Domino.
O priest and bishop, thou worker of all virtues, good shepherd of thy people, pray for us to the Lord.
[The text is in the Liber Usualis for the Solemn Reception of a Bishop]
Pretty cool
Becket achieved far more in death than he ever did in life.
The ordination of Becket as a priest took place a week before the consecration, so it was wrong to bless and anoint the palms of beckets hands!
Whats the actor who is playing thomas Becket named???????
Richard Burton.
Richard Burton
Wooden Burton.
Richard Jenkins, actually.
@@UWalvern0810 No, Richard Jenkins was his father. *He* was Richard Jenkins, Jr. ;-)
So what happened to this religion?
Anything of it left anywhere?
The abbies and monastery were mostly dissolved.
The cathedrals were taken over by King Henry VIII and bishops appointed loyal to him and not the pope. They remained Catholic in worship until his son Edward VI became king who had been brought up Lutheran. The Catholic Mass was banned and replaced and replaced with the Lutheran service of Holy Communion. Those who refuse to attend the new services were called recusants. They were fined, imprisoned and had property confiscated. The Motr obstinate ones were charged with treason and executed.
I think a number of the commenters are quite confused about this scene/film.
Consecration of a Bishop: Consecration de l'eveque Thomas Becket: pas investiture
Indeed so
Cómo se llama esta iglesia
Cathedral of Canterbury. The original church that was replaced by the current Gothic masterpiece.
God willing tradition will restore soon and get rid of the evil novos order mass by unfaithful uncatholic priests
I don't see it as evil, but as an unnecessary change that as Cardinal Ottaviani said represents a striking departure from the theology of the Tridentine Mass. This change was thought to facilitate the union of the Anglican and Lutheran churches with Rome if those things that they found in the Tridentine Mass at odds with their theology of the service of Holy Communion. That has not happened, and did immeasurable damage to the church and faithful causing many to go into schism and apostasy and a death of vocations with many religious houses and seminaries being closed or much reduced in occupancy with only a few elderly members of once thriving community.
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Is that really a church ceremony or merely something shown in the movies? FYI; checkout the "impressive" ruby item he has on! 🤐
Medieval Latin chant.
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Look at the vestments that Becket and the bishops are wearing. They're beautiful, fitting, traditional, but also masculine. I will never understand why traditionalists priests today are so in love with effeminate looking albs dripping with lace, and skimpy chasubles that look like two flaps of cloth hanging down front and back, known as the Roman or fiddleback chasuble. This came into being as an innovation, a departure FROM tradition. In stead of simplifying overly ornamented Gothic chasubles that made it hard for priests to move in the late 1400's, the solution was to cut more and more away from the sides! Two popes and St. Charles Borromeo spoke out against the so called Roman chasuble. Want to be traditional? Want to exemplify Christ as a priest and a MAN? Go back to what we see in this film!
Yeah, of all the problems with Catholic liturgy, I don't think that the laced albs is highest on the priority list. Bringing back the Tridentine Mass (pre-1955) is all that will suffice. The aesthetics, like ugly vestments and ugly churches, can easily be fixed later.
Literally all of Catholicism is innovation. Centuries upon centuries of it.
Whatever chasubles and albs were used by Saint Pius X are the best style.
"The holiness of the sacred is despised; the majesty of divine worship is not only disapproved by evil men, but defiled and held up to ridicule."
~ His Holiness Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (5)
www.papalencyclicals.net/greg16/g16mirar.htm
There is a difference between restoring Tradition and falling victim to and surrendering to the blandishments of antiquarianism: www.vatican.va/content/pius-xii/en/encyclicals/documents/hf_p-xii_enc_20111947_mediator-dei.html
@@mosesking2923 laced albs are the best, considering that they are the most beautiful and majestic for God. I mean, they were standard for Saint Pius X.
"The holiness of the sacred is despised; the majesty of divine worship is not only disapproved by evil men, but defiled and held up to ridicule."
~ His Holiness Pope Gregory XVI, Mirari Vos (5)
www.papalencyclicals.net/greg16/g16mirar.htm
WTF!!!!! why is this in English?
Well this is just a depiction of what really happened during the Consecration. It was obviously Latin before, and we can clearly see, the Old rite is being said "It is a Bishop's duty to preach etc"
Because English is the best.of course.
Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?
Intactive in my room we go attractive
Beautiful movie scene. Though I can't help but wonder how many of those happy peasants cheering outside starved while the church hegemony swept about the cathedrals swathed in silks and speckled with gold and jewels.
Strange, then, to see so many of the comments on these clips shouting for a return to this setup.
I doubt that most of those "starving peasants" would have begrudged the beauty of God's house or shared your secularist views. I didn't see a church building swathed in silk but assume you meant the vestments worn by the bishops.
You sound like the Pharisees condemning the woman who poured expensive ointment on our Lords feet. Our Lord blessed this woman's homage and deference. In the Old Testament, God Himself commanded the Hebrews in the Sinai Desert how He was to be worshipped. And they were exacting directions, where much gold and skillful craftsmanship was expected. The Levite priests were also expected to arrayed in fine vestments. Not coarse woven garments. If this was demanded of them, we should offer our Lord, God, no less. All glory and honor be His!!!
It's all moot now with the scandals anyway.
I'll assume the depiction of investiture was fairly accurate so as not to offend sensibilities. Assuming that, it also demonstrates that the Church was pretty out-of-control by this time. Crowning and enthroning a priest is a little over-the-top. Pretty worldly.
wdym?
@@oh_say_it_ditto I don't know what was unclear about my comment.
It was the King who was out of control, not the Church. Learn your history.
@@LUIS-ox1bv Nah, it was the Church.
The Mitre and the Throne are symbols of the Episcopacy derived from Biblical Imagery. The Mitre hearkens back to the Mitre or Turban worn by the High Priest Aaron. The Throne or Cathedra hearkens back to the concept of the Chair of Moses mentioned by Christ and to the thrones Christ promised to the Apostles during the Last Supper. Far from being worldly, they illustrate properly the spiritual authority of the Bishop within the Church.
Hahha a Novus Ordo table
Well, seeing that this film was made in 1963, when Vatican ii had only just opened, I think that's unlikely.
@@altudy by that time many changes were introduced in the mass call "Normative" .
Altars were not always pushed against the wall. That was largely only done in smaller parishes in the Middle Ages where space in the Sanctuary was limited, and was adopted more widely after Trent. The Liturgy was still done ad orientem of course, but the altar was often freestanding, especially in Cathedrals as the Bishop's cathedra would be placed directly behind it, as it still is in the Byzantine Rite. Nothing Novus Ordo about it, just Medieval.
Well-said, Justin T. Ignorance of history results in a certain ignorance in ecclesiastics, regardless of the point of view.
This was pre Council of Trent. Sarum Rite?
Indoctrination for all!!
For some reason, Actors cannot accurately and faithfully portray the real thing!!
They multiply Priests and saints with a sullen face, perform miracles, cast out demons. Jesus said the tree is known by its fruit.
THE GOSPEL ACCORDING TO MATTHEW
7: 21-23:
21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and did many miracles in your name?' 23 Then will I tell them plainly that I did not know you at all. Get away from me, you workers of iniquity.
Matthew 7: 15-20
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do they gather grapes from thorns or figs from thistles? 17 So every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; and an evil tree bringeth forth evil fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. 19 Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire. 20 Ye shall know them by their fruits.
B. LETTER TO CORINTHIANS (Apostle Paul)
11: 13-15:
13 For such are the apostles, liars, deceitful workers, impersonating the apostles of Christ. 14 And it is not surprising. because Satan also takes the form of a bright angel.15 Wherefore, it is not a great thing that his ministers should be likened unto the ministers of righteousness. Their end will be in proportion to their deeds.
4: 4. In whom is the god of this world?
(Satan) blinded the minds of the unbelievers, that the light of the glory of the gospel of Christ might not shine upon them, which is the image of God.
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Wooden Burton.
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Wooden.
Yeah! Why did they keep those young boys around all the time?
Have you seen public school teachers lately? Bite your tongue
Alter boys (called "alter servers" in the modern age, where girls are also allowed to serve) play important roles in the mass. Starting them when they are young serves to instill in them a love of the liturgy, and is a step on the path to a religious vocation.
@@seikibrian8641 Yes!
@@seikibrian8641 let's be real tho, there was also a phenomenal amount of buggering. That's well attested even by writers at the time. Same in monasteries.
The First Lord of the Admiralty concurs
It's a terrible mixture of words from the Bible taken out of context and the ornate things of Rome to impress the eyes of the laity.
I doubt I'll have many friends in this comment section, but that shouldn't cow me into keeping silent.
My Lord Jesus did not die on the Cross for all men who are willing to pay the price of faith to be saved through Him for the Vatican to build up a hierarchy to replace the hierarchy of Judaism!
Our Lord Jesus Christ has enshrined the concept that only He is Lord (and what a Lord He is that He washes the feet of Simon Peter and the others and prepares a table for them) and that the rest of us are all brothers. Shall we desert Him and set men over us as rulers, just as the children of Israel did in rebelling against their own God by asking God for a king of their own to replace Samuel's two sons? God forbid!
The Pope is the Vicar of Christ on earth...
God created the order of things on a vertical line, not horizontal. You are not on the same level as your father or mother. Protestantism was a revolt against authority, just as much as Lucifer 's was against the authority of God. Liberalism began with Lucifer, and continues to have the same effect today. " I will not serve," is Lucifer's motto.
Traditional Ritualism ... is not Salvation through the Lord Jesus Christ ... but it does put on a great show !!!
Still , I suppose not great enough to spend all eternity in hell for dying unsaved. After all ... directed at one of the utmost in education and training and historical traditional ritualistic servants in Judaism ... Nicodemus , a member of the Jewish Ruling Council ... Jesus said , “ I tell you the truth , no one can see the Kingdom of God unless he is born again.”
Straight from the mouth of God himself.
Traditional Ritualism ... or ... Christianity
CHOOSE ... and choose wisely.
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Why not both?
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Only one works to get you to Heaven.
The other ... is an actual , dead 💀 end.
Semper Fi
All of the ritual centres around the worship of Christ. All of it designed to impart theological knowledge of God to every sense. Were you baptised? Why? It's ritual. Or is it because the Lord instituted it. Investigate our "empty ritual" and see that it is biblical, instituated by the Lord and the disciples.
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Baptism does NOT save a person. Baptism is the outward expression of a persons FAITH in the Lord Jesus Christ as Savior. It symbolizes the condition of our lives ... dead in a state of sin as ordinary folks ... WITHOUT the saving knowledge and acceptance of the free gift of eternal life in Heaven ... instead of the certainty of eternity in hell as an unsaved person. The person is immersed ... that’s the death of self and acceptance of Salvation ... and lifted back up out the water symbolizing the resurrection of our new life in FAITH in God ... washed and made clean ... forgiven of all a persons sins in life.
Giving yourself to Jesus means HE is given charge over your life. Jesus is in control of your every aspect of day to day life. Baptism says ... I AM GLORIOUSLY SAVED BY THE CLEANSING BLOOD OF JESUS THAT HE SHED FOR ME ON THAT CROSS.
That’s all there is to it. FIRST a person has to be willing ... and make a personal choice to climb out from behind the “wheel” ... representing your life ... and get in the back seat , giving Jesus the drivers seat to do the driving of your life ... WITHOUT a person telling HIM where to turn ... what road to take ...
and how fast or slow to drive. Jesus is given CONTROL. Along the way ... a person sitting in the back seat gets to see allot of people that wrapped their lives around telephone poles. Cleaned out a ditch or two ... or worse ... crashed their lives ... head on. Jesus comes to live inside of you when you invite HIM into your life.
Get it ? It’s not ritualistic. Religion is ... that’s man made. Christianity is the greatest experience on earth and Jesus said that if it were not so ... he would have told us so. It’s a Supernatural road trip of a lifetime. Allot more exciting than special operations. The mission of a lifetime ... and I’ve never had one ritualistic moment serving our Father in Heaven. Thanks to Jesus ... I am spiritually locked and loaded !!!
Semper Fi
@@rayjordan7278 Baptism is still a ritual you do tho
Idolatry in this video
How exactly?