Arabs go on trust, you have to build the trust through gentle communication. They can read you super well. He knew your thoughts about him and went into a running trance. He could of gone on all day like that. An Arab can teach you a lot about horses and how to treat them. Once you get to know them, they give you so much in return.
You scared the crap out of that horse and you don't like the fact that he keeps running? Your training methods are unethical and abusive. Have you heard of Jesse Drent? I would bet my life's savings that Jesse could bond with that horse and train him with NO force or scare tactics. By the way, the only horse I ever owned was an Arabian gelding and he was amazing. You really need to stop abusing horses and find yourself a new way to make a living.
If you don’t know anything about Arabians don’t touch them. They are not a standard horse and need special treatment. “Owning your space” is not something to do, you must earn his trust. And you don’t do that with a wip and standing in his way. I saw a scared horse with not trust in humans. Be careful with him, an Arabian stallion who feels threatened won’t hesitate to defend himself. You said it yourself, they are warhorses.
I’m not one of those people that calls abuse on everything you see in horse training like a lot of people do but Jesus this wasn’t good horsemanship. I’m not saying you’re abusive but man that’s not good training. To clarify, I’ve been riding and training horses for over 20 years. I say that only so you know I’m not speaking from a place of not understanding that horse training IS complicated and difficult. I get the cowboy way. I get moving his feet, I get that he was not paying ANY attention to you and almost ran you over. It is dangerous. BUT This is not a quarter horse - he’s an Arabian horse - they are built for stamina and can go for AGES. He was VERY sore at the end of that video. His legs are beat to shit and you could very well have ruined a good horse. I’d be SHOCKED if there weren’t some tendon injuries to this boy. Sometimes you can’t get all the results you’re looking for in one day. I get you need to get him to a place where he is safe to handle but evidently what you were doing wasn’t working for him. You just let him run himself into the ground, injury himself and then when he was sore put a halter on him. I don’t like to think the worst about people - I'm sure you’re not a horrible person, this isn’t good training. You didn’t take into account the horse here at all. Ahh man just so sad to see this horse end up like this.
I don't know. He's was in the pen with a horse he didn't know, and neither did the new owners. The only way we can know is if you were in in the same pen with the same horse, under the same circumstances, and seen exactly how you would have handled it differently. He stated he had previous experience with Arabians. As a novice, I don't think the animal was driven too hard or excessively. The horse was doing what it was doing pretty much on its own free will. Mostly he didn't stop and turn as would be normally expected.
I've had a terrible time training my Arab until I realized you can't train them like you do other horses. You can't tire them out, they really don't scare or become #2. You have to develop a relationship. Once you have that you can do anything with them.
@@JoeLinux2000 He did knock around his legs a few times when he tried to climb the fence a little and could have easily injured himself in that slippery pen. I thought his head bobbed a few times when he was trotting so I was wondering if he actually was a little lame.
@@JoeLinux2000 both.... Arabians are very different and aren't like any other breed out there.... Most times they are misunderstood and called crazy..... Yes there are horses that are dangerous and crazy but most times it's due to no training or abusive handling. I'm not saying that this gentleman trying to train this horse is bad. Just saying Arabians are sensitive and need a different type of training method a lot of times.
Agreed, i have an Arabian, they make a lot of fuzz, jump around when you lead them but in training they really want to please you. They feel your intentions.
I had an unbroken arabian stallion 8yr old, very well bred, was classed as a nightmare, soon as he started work etc, well he was great!! Long story really, this horse hasn't tried attacking him. Which mine had learnt to do, real nice horse!
Arabians are very intelligent. As another commenter said they ‘think’. He is quite lovely. He looks a lot like my gelding who also was very well bred. This horse definitely has the famous Arabian endurance. He should have been in round pen in which he couldn’t see out. My guy wasn’t trained properly before I acquired him. I didn’t even get on his back for the first 10 months I had him. Groundwork, groundwork and more groundwork. It’s the foundation of horse training. Controlling their feet is the key. I had to do this as a weekend warrior. I trail broke him myself and had him for 24 years. We were soulmates. I miss him terribly.
@@bigsidrealprisontalk9173 Sir. I know enough having ridden since 10. Owning my own. A stallion included. And working at a stable and for a vet. I know vicious when I see it. That horse has a chance with this gentleman he is just scared. So you may have a different opinion than I.
Either you connect with Arabs or you don't. They have great intuition along with great intellectual prowess. Nothing at all like training your guarterhorse. Arabs are thinkers. Trainer needs a good brain as well. This trainer has already criticized the horse before it got in the trailer. Trainers lost already. The muddy pens the main hazzard
I am wondering 2 things. A. Why did he whip at him even his feet were already moving? B. Why is he starting at him while pulling on him in an attempt to lead?
For a horse that has been stall bound for 5 yrs, this amount of running is excessive and detrimental to his legs and lack of stamina. Why is a cowboy training an Arabian? We gentle our Arabians not break them! I can’t watch this anymore 👎🏻
It doesnt even seem like this guy with the whip likes this horse. Seems like he thinks the horse is a mind reader and knows what he wants him to learn . Where is Rick Gore to make this more tolerable to watch and easier to understand?
@KC-ro7zo I agree it seems he's already had a battle with the stallion just getting him loaded and to this place. That "battle" should not have been taken personal and would not have been if there were more empathy applied to the horse's situation. He's been in solitary confinement. He's been slightly injured and more so as he slides in to the fence and bangs himself. He wants to go over to the mares for comfort but the trainer is in too much of a hurry to not go at him real fast. Instead, he gets the sight and sound of that whip coming after him. If he's been shown, whips may have already been used on him to get him in that excited, lunging, high tailed and prancing mood that is so admired by the audiences and the judges.
I was JUST thinking about sending this to Rick. My fave was the horse running, man whips frantically behind him, says,, "i moved his feet." Uuuuuuuuuummm.
He IS afraid of you other wise he would stand there like a quarter horse and wait to be haltered. He is obliviously Egyptian descended from horses that were alert enough not to end up in the crock's mouth. You're going to have to think what can I do to let him know I am not going to hurt him. Which means don't try to run him into the fence. This will take many days twice a day for hrs. You can do it from the center of the round corral until he faces you. It's just going to take a while if you want him to trust you. Trying to be like Clinton will not let you progress with this one. Clinton will not work with Arabians.
That is a pretty Arabian. I haven't seen a pretty one like him for many years. His face looks much more normal than the sea horse looking heads I see everywhere.
@hnelson "Sea horse looking head" is an excellent description. The exaggerated dished in top line of the muzzle and the tiny jaws make the new type look like a caricature. Why do breeders think it is so fun to engage in fads and attempt to change a breed whose classic good looks is from thousands of years.
A much better approach would be to build a relationship with him. Once an Arabian trusts you & they know youre not going to hurt them, theyre loyal for life.
He had expectations going in based on what he thinks he knows. The horse is showing no trust, no ease, stress and this whole session was pointless with his methods. His bit about the horse moving while he's standing still, head down, stick down. Crazy this is how people still "train." Wild.
The stallion’s owners need to get a different trainer before this horse is damaged physically and mentally. This trainer is crude, sloppy and is not knowledgeable. Horrific to watch.
And why stare at the while attempting to lead? Lead-leader -follow the leader. Leading by definition is not a pressure driven act. Staring at horse and pulling is in direct opposition to the desired act.
You are just lucky this horse didn't slip over or try to jump the fence and injure itself or get colic, a twisted bowel or heat exhaustion from your 'good ol' cowboy' ways.
I didn't like that approach for a new horse coming in that had been stabled. I know, Arabian stallion, but still, a calmer slower start with him might have been nicer.
Longing an Arab to exhaustion only makes a fitter house. I am concerned that the footing might be dangerous for him. If he's been in a stall for years then he has NO IDEA how to move in a muddy round pen. I speak from experience with a stallion that we sold, who came back to us a a boarder. He went from stall to 30 foot round pen. He couldn't move in a straight line, physically. He also had no manners when being led. And the guy brought a yearling to our barn at the same time. You could see the bad handling in progress on that yearling. Very sad. I worked with them both, but he moved them out after 60 days. He ruined them both. So, i have lots of experience with Arabian stallions just like this one.
He is quite lovely. He looks a lot like my gelding who also was very well bred. This horse definitely has the famous Arabian endurance. My guy wasn’t trained properly before I acquired him. I didn’t even get on his back for the first 10 months I had him. Groundwork, groundwork and more groundwork. It’s the foundation of horse training. Controlling their feet is the key. I had to do this as a weekend warrior. I trail broke him myself and had him for 24 years. We were soulmates. I miss him terribly.
Well, he doesn't have 5 years growth on his hooves, so it looks like he's been trimmed. Hopefully he's been taught to pick up his feet or do they tranquilze him? I bought a 2 year old stallion in the 80s. I did not know he'd never been taught to lift his feet until I tried to pick his hooves. It turns out he was TERRIFIED of men (they would forefoot him, throw him down to trim his feet). It makes no sense to me that some people don't handle their horses, teach them ground manners when they're young. He was so deeply traumatized, needlessly. He was a very smart and sensitive soul.
I feel for that stallion. Given what u know about him firstly hos welfare running him in such thick mud when he had little understanding of body and feet control could cause serious damage. Plus given pace u were exposing him to the constant whipping ensuring he continued with that pace and trying to confront him in those flight moments only causes more damage both physical and mental for him. I think it wad irresponsible to have 4 mares around the area your working with an unhandled stallion eas asking for trouble and essentially setting him up to fail. The mares the ground conditions and confrontation was not descalating or really achieving anything at all apart from a sore horse. And secondly all that ... Ur putting yourself in danger honestly working him in those conditions my god it could of gone real bad. But intimidating him to run like thay trying to block him was stupid. He sees u as a predator with mares pn the line. Could of gone sooo bad so many ways. Set both of u up for success and be safe
I don't recognize any horsemanship. And baloney, fear is what is driving him to fly. I successfully broke my four yr old Arab not long after being gelded in my teens. Curious to know if he has "Bask" in his lineage.
👎🏽He did NOT run over you, in fact he went up the wall to try to avoid you. He seems more scared than anything else. You need to build trust slowly and gently, not slash at him wildly with a stick with a whip on the end of it. Just tiring him out by running him all day does nothing to build trust.
Beautiful horse I bought my Arabian Stallion at 2yrs old he as well was only stalled kept had a few rough patches but he turned out more than I could ask for.
I see so many horse trainers "running" the horses in the roundpen. So few have the concept on "What" to do in a roundpen. I watch these videos and see about 5, 6, 7+ so called methods that don't work so they turn to the next method. Throw anything against the wall and see what sticks. While I realize there are various ways of training a horse, horse trainers first need to truly understand the purpose of a roundpen and how to use it effectively. Anything else is just chaos and confusion for both the horse AND the trainer. And it is dangerous. Study the science about fight/flight animals, eye contact - where to start and how it affects the horse once you move your eyes down their body as they run or trot by. Don't try to train a horse until you actually have his attention. Don't put yourself in its way to make him change directions. Let HIM figure out that you are the safest being in that roundpen for him to join up with - because without you, the heard leader he is alone and rejected.
Now, that's an understatement. I'd venture to say, the only horses I've ever seen trying to run a human down were being cornered by one with a whip or spurs, go figure? ❤✌️
@@joannehuttenhoff2701Thanks. I couldn't see the rope halter over the flat one and was wondering what on earth he was talking about. Even thought he misspoke and was calling his lead a halter since that was the only ropy thing I could see.
Was soll ich bei der Vorführung lernen, bequem in der Mitte zu stehen und das Pferd um sich Kreisel zu lassen. Unsere Pferde würden fragen was will der Kerl, wann fangen wir an zu Arbeiten??
That horse don't know you. First You gotta make friends with that arabian. I would have been sitting on the fence Drinking a cup of coffee watching That little boy go round and round. And eventually the horse would have came to me. I love arabians that's how they work gotta make friends. Playing hard to get with arabians works every time.
Leaving this horse a stallion seems a shame to me. He has already missed two phases of his short life/ the life of a stallion is a lonely one. Few horse owners have the time or money to really promote a stallion. There are countless well bred Arabians that end up in feedlots/ neglectful situations. He might well make a good riding or endurance horse. I speak from experience, having owned a throwaway Arabian mare for 24+ years. She also came from really fine lineage.
@bkdascenzo They said he is of a particular blood line so they don't want to castrate him. He has the nice head that was typical of the breed until the recent trend of exaggerating the dished top line and small nose.
@@jenniferhelwignieuwkoop7411 Licking and chewing is not stress-related except to indicate a relief from stress. Horses salivate constantly, not like us, and the same goes for stomach acid; it never stops. But when stressed, horses stop swallowing to pay attention to what's happening and saliva builds up. When the stress is over, it remembers and needs to swallow which is the licking and chewing we witness; it's the same sign of relief with the blowing out/big sigh after the stressful shallow breathing during stress.
Not sure how relaxed the guy was when he stood still. He tried breathing out but his body looked tense. I would be with a stallion running round. But horse needs to feel there's trust between them.
I have an Arabian to in the Netherlands, why wont you talk to him, like whoa, halt. Arabian horses listen to your voice en feel your intentions. You started off wrong, you had to connect from the beginning before he was turned loose, then he woul have paid more attention. He will get an stress belly ulcer from stress like this.
Thank you Wendy. It is great to read that you do not practice the Wild West tactics with horses. Some of that aggressive behavior by humans out here in the West stems from the way the Spanish treated their horses and still do even to this day.
He’s being dominant not scared! A scared horse wouldn’t run that close with his head and tail in the air showing absolutely no respect!! I love it when people who don’t know what they’re talking about try to criticise other people who do know what they’re doing!!😂
I have an 11 year pure arab mare and she is incredibly intelligent and even more loving but very lazy. I am enjoying training her myself but she does not like to be lead. suggestions? Also, she has recently developed a cough but is eating perfectly and pooping great. the nasal discharge is translucent. should I be concerned? Factors: moved her to a new property one month ago with new hay and horses. Allergies? I ask because of the arab being so different than some of the other resilient breeds. She has larger ,muscles on one side due to previous owners not properly conditioning and working her.
New. The poor lad has no clue how to be a horse...all the subtle cues are a foreign language that he doesn't know exists. A breeder I watch (8 mares, not a big breeder) had one with no suckle reflex, bucket feeding not a problem but the mare didn't bond. Blessedly one of her other mares agreed to "Aunt" and allowed the foal near her own of about the same age and taught both babies to be horses.
Getting him tired is helping. Stall bound for so long, it has now made him stiff and sore. Lack of exercise has made him weak. Keep him working. He is beauty. Reminds me of my Arab stallion who I and my kids rode for 30 years.
Moving his feet wasn't the problem, getting him to stop and redirect was . Never had a horse that when you get in front of them like that didn't turn and go the other direction . Our horses have occasionally forgotten themselves and found it fun to run off when told to whoa . After putting them into our smaller pound area and letting them run and turn back and forth when we direct them , the finally get the idea again that it's much easier to stop when told .
I too have never had a horse that wouldn’t turn when you stepped in front of him. I attribute that to years of being stalled and not handled properly. I am optimistic that he will improve.
Charli has closely followed the series on Duke. Ashli and I watched this one last night and are watching it with the girls. Now. We're excited to watch him come around. Miss you both!
My in experiences, you NEVER try to "Control" a horse no matter what the breed. Treat them w/respect. You've got to actually think like a horse & connect w/them on their level which is far superior to ours. Also, he's not being dangerous running through you. It's ridiculous. When horses are in flight or fright, they will run through anything. You haven't done anything to earn his trust yet, therefore he seems you as a threat. Running a horse until its exhausted doesn't win their trust either. It is earned with mutual respect. Running in a slippery, muddy round pen is a recipe for disaster. He could have slipped, broken a leg, and or worse. 😢😡😢
I'm glad this trainer decided to video from the beginning of this "hazing" he calls training. It is understandable that this Arabian is so different from his younger one. It's because he was confined so much and never got a chance to enjoy the wide open spaces which his breed was intended to encounter from birth. Furthermore his two year old is just getting to the age when hormones will kick in and make him much more excitable. There is no evidence that King Solomon had Arabian horses. The Arabian was developed by the Arabs who much predate the Jews (also called Hebrews.) Unlike with the Arabs, the horse plays a very small role in the history of the Jews.
You ought to try the magic tickle with your fingers and through your rope. You'd get his attention and bod with him much faster without fear. The Farrier Godmother
Ignore the negative, ignorant comments. You're perfectly fair and reasonable in your approach this horse's attitude. He just has huge holes in his development due to being stall bound. Hopefully he's smart.😮
I have never, in all my life, seen such a brazen horse. If you weren't so alert, he really could've run you over. I've seen my share of stallions that lived out the majority of their lives in stalls and were occasionally given indoor-arena turnout. It was always incredibly sad. I think the saddest story I have is someone who bought a beautiful morgan. He already owned a stallion, a prize-winning morgan who was the father of 90% of his horses, and so he wanted to add new blood to the herd. He kept this stallion in a box stall 24/7. The horse would pace and pace, and they shut the window to his stall and locked it because this desperate and stir-crazy horse tried to climb out through the window-- so he couldn't even throw his head out the window for some fresh air. His stall was rarely cleaned more than once a week, so the dung would heap high, it was disgusting. It was a horrible existence. The other, original stallion had his own paddock and shed, but this stallion was locked in a stall because they didn't have paddock fences high enough to contain him. They did not have appropriate facilities for him. And this stallion was not mean. He didn't try to bite passers-by, and he was in fact handleable by someone with experience. I still think about him often. People do horrible things to stallions, and to keep a horse in a stall for nearly its entire life is truly unconscionable. By the way, Aequitas seems to have some kind of lump on his neck. I assume the owner will get it looked at once she's able to handle him, but any idea what it is?
@@stacyrich113 good question. It’s because I was a child at the time, about fourteen, and did not know who to report to. The adults I spoke to either dismissed my concerns, or told me that it was unfortunate but that they couldn’t change anything because only the owner was allowed to handle the stallion, so they couldn’t let anyone in to clean his stall unless the owner found the time to move the horse. The stallion’s circumstances were not hidden. Lots of adults saw him. Barn manager, riding instructors, parents of the kids who came to that farm. The farm gets a lot of public traffic. The other stallion’s paddock was also a muddy mess that was rarely cleaned of his waste, and the conditions of that paddock were openly visible as well. But the animals were a healthy weight, they had clean water, were fed an appropriate diet, and had adequate shelter. The situation with their waste was disgusting, but even now, I don’t think there’s anything that could have legally been done. The stall was cleaned two or three times a month, and the horse was given indoor arena turnout during those cleanings. While you and I recognize that is an unacceptable way to keep and treat a horse, the law only sets the minimum standards for treatment. Even now, I believe that even if I had reported them, nothing would have been done. This is the same state where you could keep a dog chained in a junk-filled yard in the summer heat and as long as he has water, there’s nothing illegal about it.
Beautiful horse with NO manners! How on earth did they trim his feet? I can see there was not much grooming.. Back in the day I would have rather worked with a never handled horse than a spoiled brat like this guy..
@peg4x449 He was not a spoiled brat. He had never been out of his pen. Of course he was terrified in his new environment with someone whipping at him and chasing him like a wild banshee.
The only thing I would have changed in this first lesson is that IMMEDIATELY I would have let this stud know that I wasn't going to allow him to run over me. I wouldn't have waited.
Wow lots of negative comments on here you make them eat there words I have plenty of faith in your training methods and I bet you will get to him in the end.
I have a purebred Arabian mare and she is super smart and so respectful. Arabians are extremely intelligent and they need to be treated as such. My mare trusts me beyond a shadow of a doubt and would follow me anywhere.
@@paul2280 Maybe Gambling Gal does not understand that the nature of the Arabian, especially the stallions, is to be very active and reactive. That is what makes them so impressive and exciting to watch. They make "Liberty Classes" memorable. The great thing too is that they are not generally mean or aggressive towards humans.
@@vernonfrance2974 I've owned Arabs for some time. Travelled to Louisville for a number of the Egyptian pyramid events. I agree. The liberty class is amazing. Some people have that special 'born with talent' to communicate. Always something to learn. Appreciate you pointing out my thoughtlessness 👍
@@paul2280 Paul, I thought your comment was outstanding and not at all "thoughtless." I have never had the pleasure of owning a horse but my uncle had a horse on our small acreage in Illinois when I was growing up. We would go to the horse shows he attended and his palominos generally won ribbons. Also, I always read everything I could about horses. I guess Walter Farley's books about The Black Stallion really captivated me as did Marguerite Henry's The Godolphin Arabian. They helped made me admire the breed. That was not all, though, as I find them to be very beautiful. They are so balanced and agile and they move as if they are on springs. They are a foundation breed for many others including the Thoroughbred and the Percheron. The Percheron moves with more action and grace than any of the other draft horses in my opinion. Am I right in my belief that they are not likely to be dangerous? I could not believe it when the trainer claimed the stallion tried to run over him. He actually ran touching the fence to avoid contact with the whip wielder. He was also nervous and spooked by being in such a totally different environment. Furthermore, the trainer admitted loading him into the trailer he'd been "chased like a cow" and had injured himself a bit. He wanted to be by the other horses on the other side of the fence for security and companionship, which is normal.
I think it's mean you are trying to hit the horse with the whip, is that gaining the horses trust!? Just seems cruel like you are trying hurt him by whipping.
Not trying to whip him at all, trying to get him to have a little respect. You can't have a partnership if one person doesn't know anything about boundaries.
He shouldnt be “ afraid” as much as respectful.
Arabs go on trust, you have to build the trust through gentle communication. They can read you super well. He knew your thoughts about him and went into a running trance. He could of gone on all day like that. An Arab can teach you a lot about horses and how to treat them. Once you get to know them, they give you so much in return.
You scared the crap out of that horse and you don't like the fact that he keeps running? Your training methods are unethical and abusive. Have you heard of Jesse Drent? I would bet my life's savings that Jesse could bond with that horse and train him with NO force or scare tactics. By the way, the only horse I ever owned was an Arabian gelding and he was amazing. You really need to stop abusing horses and find yourself a new way to make a living.
👍🏼Jesse was the first person i thought of too.
You really need to get off of the Feelings wagon and start acting like a Real Man. Y'all sound like a bunch of little girls.
If you don’t know anything about Arabians don’t touch them. They are not a standard horse and need special treatment. “Owning your space” is not something to do, you must earn his trust. And you don’t do that with a wip and standing in his way. I saw a scared horse with not trust in humans. Be careful with him, an Arabian stallion who feels threatened won’t hesitate to defend himself. You said it yourself, they are warhorses.
I’m not one of those people that calls abuse on everything you see in horse training like a lot of people do but Jesus this wasn’t good horsemanship. I’m not saying you’re abusive but man that’s not good training.
To clarify, I’ve been riding and training horses for over 20 years. I say that only so you know I’m not speaking from a place of not understanding that horse training IS complicated and difficult.
I get the cowboy way. I get moving his feet, I get that he was not paying ANY attention to you and almost ran you over. It is dangerous. BUT This is not a quarter horse - he’s an Arabian horse - they are built for stamina and can go for AGES.
He was VERY sore at the end of that video. His legs are beat to shit and you could very well have ruined a good horse. I’d be SHOCKED if there weren’t some tendon injuries to this boy.
Sometimes you can’t get all the results you’re looking for in one day. I get you need to get him to a place where he is safe to handle but evidently what you were doing wasn’t working for him. You just let him run himself into the ground, injury himself and then when he was sore put a halter on him.
I don’t like to think the worst about people - I'm sure you’re not a horrible person, this isn’t good training. You didn’t take into account the horse here at all.
Ahh man just so sad to see this horse end up like this.
I don't know. He's was in the pen with a horse he didn't know, and neither did the new owners. The only way we can know is if you were in in the same pen with the same horse, under the same circumstances, and seen exactly how you would have handled it differently. He stated he had previous experience with Arabians. As a novice, I don't think the animal was driven too hard or excessively. The horse was doing what it was doing pretty much on its own free will. Mostly he didn't stop and turn as would be normally expected.
I agree with the reviewers that this is bad horsemanship. Most you tube trainers all seem to have egos. What a shame for this beautiful horse.
Agreed 🙄
I've had a terrible time training my Arab until I realized you can't train them like you do other horses. You can't tire them out, they really don't scare or become #2. You have to develop a relationship. Once you have that you can do anything with them.
@@JoeLinux2000 He did knock around his legs a few times when he tried to climb the fence a little and could have easily injured himself in that slippery pen. I thought his head bobbed a few times when he was trotting so I was wondering if he actually was a little lame.
He is not used to dealing with arabians......
nothing to do with arabians, they are horse, LIKE ANY OTHER BREED. He did well in my opinion.
Most people don't understand Arabians plain and simple!!
People in general, or actual horsemen?
@@JoeLinux2000 both.... Arabians are very different and aren't like any other breed out there.... Most times they are misunderstood and called crazy..... Yes there are horses that are dangerous and crazy but most times it's due to no training or abusive handling. I'm not saying that this gentleman trying to train this horse is bad. Just saying Arabians are sensitive and need a different type of training method a lot of times.
Agreed, i have an Arabian, they make a lot of fuzz, jump around when you lead them but in training they really want to please you. They feel your intentions.
We'll probably most people have never had a chance to be near an Arabian, or any kind of horse, for that matter.
Why start with swinging the whip an threatening him? Why eould he wdnt to do anything but run and hope to get away from you.
I had an unbroken arabian stallion 8yr old, very well bred, was classed as a nightmare, soon as he started work etc, well he was great!! Long story really, this horse hasn't tried attacking him. Which mine had learnt to do, real nice horse!
This trainer is too rough and aggressive. Someone’s going to get hurt
Ur not reading him ....why don t u try todd pierce method ...he s terrified
Arabians are very intelligent. As another commenter said they ‘think’. He is quite lovely. He looks a lot like my gelding who also was very well bred. This horse definitely has the famous Arabian endurance. He should have been in round pen in which he couldn’t see out. My guy wasn’t trained properly before I acquired him. I didn’t even get on his back for the first 10 months I had him. Groundwork, groundwork and more groundwork. It’s the foundation of horse training. Controlling their feet is the key. I had to do this as a weekend warrior. I trail broke him myself and had him for 24 years. We were soulmates. I miss him terribly.
Yes he ran passed you but tried to climb fence so as not to hit you. Shows some respect. If only a little.
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@@bigsidrealprisontalk9173 Sir. I know enough having ridden since 10. Owning my own. A stallion included. And working at a stable and for a vet. I know vicious when I see it. That horse has a chance with this gentleman he is just scared. So you may have a different opinion than I.
Either you connect with Arabs or you don't. They have great intuition along with great intellectual prowess. Nothing at all like training your guarterhorse. Arabs are thinkers. Trainer needs a good brain as well. This trainer has already criticized the horse before it got in the trailer. Trainers lost already. The muddy pens the main hazzard
I am wondering 2 things.
A. Why did he whip at him even his feet were already moving?
B. Why is he starting at him while pulling on him in an attempt to lead?
Because this so called trainer has no clue what he is doing .
@@Sorraiamustang THANK YOU! 🙏
Of all the things. And both so fundamental.
For a horse that has been stall bound for 5 yrs, this amount of running is excessive and detrimental to his legs and lack of stamina. Why is a cowboy training an Arabian? We gentle our Arabians not break them! I can’t watch this anymore 👎🏻
It doesnt even seem like this guy with the whip likes this horse. Seems like he thinks the horse is a mind reader and knows what he wants him to learn . Where is Rick Gore to make this more tolerable to watch and easier to understand?
@KC-ro7zo I agree it seems he's already had a battle with the stallion just getting him loaded and to this place. That "battle" should not have been taken personal and would not have been if there were more empathy applied to the horse's situation. He's been in solitary confinement. He's been slightly injured and more so as he slides in to the fence and bangs himself. He wants to go over to the mares for comfort but the trainer is in too much of a hurry to not go at him real fast.
Instead, he gets the sight and sound of that whip coming after him. If he's been shown, whips may have already been used on him to get him in that excited, lunging, high tailed and prancing mood that is so admired by the audiences and the judges.
I was JUST thinking about sending this to Rick.
My fave was the horse running, man whips frantically behind him, says,, "i moved his feet."
Uuuuuuuuuummm.
He IS afraid of you other wise he would stand there like a quarter horse and wait to be haltered. He is obliviously Egyptian descended from horses that were alert enough not to end up in the crock's mouth. You're going to have to think what can I do to let him know I am not going to hurt him. Which means don't try to run him into the fence. This will take many days twice a day for hrs. You can do it from the center of the round corral until he faces you. It's just going to take a while if you want him to trust you. Trying to be like Clinton will not let you progress with this one. Clinton will not work with Arabians.
His approach is all wrong, dominating instead of winning trust. I hate this. Glad to see a commenter here who also knows this. I can't watch any more.
An arabian horse will look you in the eye and see you, when you have his trust. He doesn't know or trust you, so he will "fight" you till the end.
That is a pretty Arabian. I haven't seen a pretty one like him for many years. His face looks much more normal than the sea horse looking heads I see everywhere.
@hnelson "Sea horse looking head" is an excellent description. The exaggerated dished in top line of the muzzle and the tiny jaws make the new type look like a caricature. Why do breeders think it is so fun to engage in fads and attempt to change a breed whose classic good looks is from thousands of years.
A much better approach would be to build a relationship with him. Once an Arabian trusts you & they know youre not going to hurt them, theyre loyal for life.
He had expectations going in based on what he thinks he knows. The horse is showing no trust, no ease, stress and this whole session was pointless with his methods. His bit about the horse moving while he's standing still, head down, stick down. Crazy this is how people still "train." Wild.
That poor stallion needs water for one and a good hose down geesh!
The stallion’s owners need to get a different trainer before this horse is damaged physically and mentally. This trainer is crude, sloppy and is not knowledgeable. Horrific to watch.
So by coming up from behind the horse and whipping you are imitating a prey animal. Was that how you saw moving the animal's feet would work
And why stare at the while attempting to lead?
Lead-leader -follow the leader. Leading by definition is not a pressure driven act.
Staring at horse and pulling is in direct opposition to the desired act.
He is GORGEOUS! I can see why they want keep him
You are just lucky this horse didn't slip over or try to jump the fence and injure itself or get colic, a twisted bowel or heat exhaustion from your 'good ol' cowboy' ways.
I didn't like that approach for a new horse coming in that had been stabled. I know, Arabian stallion, but still,
a calmer slower start with him might have been nicer.
Longing an Arab to exhaustion only makes a fitter house. I am concerned that the footing might be dangerous for him. If he's been in a stall for years then he has NO IDEA how to move in a muddy round pen. I speak from experience with a stallion that we sold, who came back to us a a boarder. He went from stall to 30 foot round pen. He couldn't move in a straight line, physically. He also had no manners when being led. And the guy brought a yearling to our barn at the same time. You could see the bad handling in progress on that yearling. Very sad. I worked with them both, but he moved them out after 60 days. He ruined them both. So, i have lots of experience with Arabian stallions just like this one.
He is quite lovely. He looks a lot like my gelding who also was very well bred. This horse definitely has the famous Arabian endurance. My guy wasn’t trained properly before I acquired him. I didn’t even get on his back for the first 10 months I had him. Groundwork, groundwork and more groundwork. It’s the foundation of horse training. Controlling their feet is the key. I had to do this as a weekend warrior. I trail broke him myself and had him for 24 years. We were soulmates. I miss him terribly.
Well, he doesn't have 5 years growth on his hooves, so it looks like he's been trimmed. Hopefully he's been taught to pick up his feet or do they tranquilze him? I bought a 2 year old stallion in the 80s. I did not know he'd never been taught to lift his feet until I tried to pick his hooves. It turns out he was TERRIFIED of men (they would forefoot him, throw him down to trim his feet). It makes no sense to me that some people don't handle their horses, teach them ground manners when they're young. He was so deeply traumatized, needlessly. He was a very smart and sensitive soul.
Thats the man's ego operating....
I feel for that stallion. Given what u know about him firstly hos welfare running him in such thick mud when he had little understanding of body and feet control could cause serious damage. Plus given pace u were exposing him to the constant whipping ensuring he continued with that pace and trying to confront him in those flight moments only causes more damage both physical and mental for him. I think it wad irresponsible to have 4 mares around the area your working with an unhandled stallion eas asking for trouble and essentially setting him up to fail. The mares the ground conditions and confrontation was not descalating or really achieving anything at all apart from a sore horse. And secondly all that ... Ur putting yourself in danger honestly working him in those conditions my god it could of gone real bad. But intimidating him to run like thay trying to block him was stupid. He sees u as a predator with mares pn the line. Could of gone sooo bad so many ways. Set both of u up for success and be safe
👍🏼Exactly! Thank you.💯
Poor guy was lame from the beginning...and he keeps smacking his effing whip behind him.
I don't recognize any horsemanship. And baloney, fear is what is driving him to fly. I successfully broke my four yr old Arab not long after being gelded in my teens. Curious to know if he has "Bask" in his lineage.
@@anneschwan4178 don’t they all?😂
👎🏽He did NOT run over you, in fact he went up the wall to try to avoid you. He seems more scared than anything else. You need to build trust slowly and gently, not slash at him wildly with a stick with a whip on the end of it. Just tiring him out by running him all day does nothing to build trust.
POOR GUY DANGEROUS WITH THAT HIGH FLIGHT RESPONSE AND WOULD RUN INTO ANYTHING AND ANY BODY. BEING AN ARABIAN THEY HAVE STAMINA!!!
No whip please. He may be fragile if a life in a stall. I prefer the Horse Whisperer approach.
Beautiful horse I bought my Arabian Stallion at 2yrs old he as well was only stalled kept had a few rough patches but he turned out more than I could ask for.
I see so many horse trainers "running" the horses in the roundpen. So few have the concept on "What" to do in a roundpen. I watch these videos and see about 5, 6, 7+ so called methods that don't work so they turn to the next method. Throw anything against the wall and see what sticks. While I realize there are various ways of training a horse, horse trainers first need to truly understand the purpose of a roundpen and how to use it effectively. Anything else is just chaos and confusion for both the horse AND the trainer. And it is dangerous. Study the science about fight/flight animals, eye contact - where to start and how it affects the horse once you move your eyes down their body as they run or trot by. Don't try to train a horse until you actually have his attention. Don't put yourself in its way to make him change directions. Let HIM figure out that you are the safest being in that roundpen for him to join up with - because without you, the heard leader he is alone and rejected.
Wonderful comment. Thank you.
The contact - staring was bugging me.
This video makes me absolutely sick. Good way to ruin a horse. And that horse sees everything you are doing. Stick with quarter horses.
Now, that's an understatement. I'd venture to say, the only horses I've ever seen trying to run a human down were being cornered by one with a whip or spurs, go figure? ❤✌️
I would really like to see how you got the halter on him! Could have been a true learning experience for us.
I think he said halter was on him when he arrived
@@arribaficationwineho32 he arrived with a nylon halter but he put a rope halter over it.
@@joannehuttenhoff2701 thanks! Gorgeous horse! I will follow!
@@joannehuttenhoff2701Thanks. I couldn't see the rope halter over the flat one and was wondering what on earth he was talking about. Even thought he misspoke and was calling his lead a halter since that was the only ropy thing I could see.
That's a good-looking horse!
Arabians can run forever❤❤❤
He has freedom and can run, the Arabin horse is my all-time favourite horse in the world, just found your channel thanks for sharing 👍
Was soll ich bei der Vorführung lernen, bequem in der Mitte zu stehen und das Pferd um sich Kreisel zu lassen. Unsere Pferde würden fragen was will der Kerl, wann fangen wir an zu Arbeiten??
He’s a horrible trainer
That horse don't know you. First You gotta make friends with that arabian. I would have been sitting on the fence Drinking a cup of coffee watching That little boy go round and round.
And eventually the horse would have came to me. I love arabians that's how they work gotta make friends.
Playing hard to get with arabians works every time.
Leaving this horse a stallion seems a shame to me. He has already missed two phases of his short life/ the life of a stallion is a lonely one. Few horse owners have the time or money to really promote a stallion. There are countless well bred Arabians that end up in feedlots/ neglectful situations. He might well make a good riding or endurance horse. I speak from experience, having owned a throwaway Arabian mare for 24+ years. She also came from really fine lineage.
@bkdascenzo They said he is of a particular blood line so they don't want to castrate him. He has the nice head that was typical of the breed until the recent trend of exaggerating the dished top line and small nose.
LICKING AND CHEWING HOW WONDERFUL BUT YOU NEVER SHOWED HOW YOU CAUGHT HIM AND PUT A ROPE ON HIM. SO HOW DID YOU DO IT ?
Licking and chewing is stress related a lot of times. So much sweat, he has a lot of stress......Look at the horse tremble.
@@jenniferhelwignieuwkoop7411 Licking and chewing is not stress-related except to indicate a relief from stress. Horses salivate constantly, not like us, and the same goes for stomach acid; it never stops. But when stressed, horses stop swallowing to pay attention to what's happening and saliva builds up. When the stress is over, it remembers and needs to swallow which is the licking and chewing we witness; it's the same sign of relief with the blowing out/big sigh after the stressful shallow breathing during stress.
Not sure how relaxed the guy was when he stood still. He tried breathing out but his body looked tense. I would be with a stallion running round. But horse needs to feel there's trust between them.
@@jorainer612 I think he was talking about the "trainer" licking and chewing.
I have an Arabian to in the Netherlands, why wont you talk to him, like whoa, halt. Arabian horses listen to your voice en feel your intentions. You started off wrong, you had to connect from the beginning before he was turned loose, then he woul have paid more attention. He will get an stress belly ulcer from stress like this.
Thank you Wendy. It is great to read that you do not practice the Wild West tactics with horses. Some of that aggressive behavior by humans out here in the West stems from the way the Spanish treated their horses and still do even to this day.
He’s being dominant not scared! A scared horse wouldn’t run that close with his head and tail in the air showing absolutely no respect!! I love it when people who don’t know what they’re talking about try to criticise other people who do know what they’re doing!!😂
I have an 11 year pure arab mare and she is incredibly intelligent and even more loving but very lazy. I am enjoying training her myself but she does not like to be lead. suggestions? Also, she has recently developed a cough but is eating perfectly and pooping great. the nasal discharge is translucent. should I be concerned? Factors: moved her to a new property one month ago with new hay and horses. Allergies? I ask because of the arab being so different than some of the other resilient breeds. She has larger ,muscles on one side due to previous owners not properly conditioning and working her.
New. The poor lad has no clue how to be a horse...all the subtle cues are a foreign language that he doesn't know exists. A breeder I watch (8 mares, not a big breeder) had one with no suckle reflex, bucket feeding not a problem but the mare didn't bond. Blessedly one of her other mares agreed to "Aunt" and allowed the foal near her own of about the same age and taught both babies to be horses.
👍🏼JESSE DRENT would be the perfect person to work with this horse. He's AMAZING with problem horses.🇳🇱
Getting him tired is helping. Stall bound for so long, it has now made him stiff and sore. Lack of exercise has made him weak. Keep him working. He is beauty. Reminds me of my Arab stallion who I and my kids rode for 30 years.
Moving his feet wasn't the problem, getting him to stop and redirect was . Never had a horse that when you get in front of them like that didn't turn and go the other direction . Our horses have occasionally forgotten themselves and found it fun to run off when told to whoa . After putting them into our smaller pound area and letting them run and turn back and forth when we direct them , the finally get the idea again that it's much easier to stop when told .
I too have never had a horse that wouldn’t turn when you stepped in front of him. I attribute that to years of being stalled and not handled properly. I am optimistic that he will improve.
😬🙏 -Jessi
Charli has closely followed the series on Duke. Ashli and I watched this one last night and are watching it with the girls. Now. We're excited to watch him come around. Miss you both!
Why on earth would an experienced horse person let him get this old with No training! Especially one that was good enough to be a breeding stallion !
Unnecessary and wrong signals you are giving him sir.
to say that he has four legs and a tail like any other horse , shows how disrespectful you are to your horses , and how little you know about arabians
My in experiences, you NEVER try to "Control" a horse no matter what the breed.
Treat them w/respect.
You've got to actually think like a horse & connect w/them on their level which is far superior to ours.
Also, he's not being dangerous running through you. It's ridiculous.
When horses are in flight or fright, they will run through anything.
You haven't done anything to earn his trust yet, therefore he seems you as a threat.
Running a horse until its exhausted doesn't win their trust either. It is earned with mutual respect.
Running in a slippery, muddy round pen is a recipe for disaster. He could have slipped, broken a leg, and or worse. 😢😡😢
He really is a beauty
I'm glad this trainer decided to video from the beginning of this "hazing" he calls training. It is understandable that this Arabian is so different from his younger one. It's because he was confined so much and never got a chance to enjoy the wide open spaces which his breed was intended to encounter from birth. Furthermore his two year old is just getting to the age when hormones will kick in and make him much more excitable.
There is no evidence that King Solomon had Arabian horses. The Arabian was developed by the Arabs who much predate the Jews (also called Hebrews.) Unlike with the Arabs, the horse plays a very small role in the history of the Jews.
Is this a real Arabian, looking at the face. Just asking
You ought to try the magic tickle with your fingers and through your rope. You'd get his attention and bod with him much faster without fear. The Farrier Godmother
Wow! He's a beauty but he's gonna be a tough one.😮
He is very beautiful
Ignore the negative, ignorant comments. You're perfectly fair and reasonable in your approach this horse's attitude. He just has huge holes in his development due to being stall bound. Hopefully he's smart.😮
I have never, in all my life, seen such a brazen horse. If you weren't so alert, he really could've run you over.
I've seen my share of stallions that lived out the majority of their lives in stalls and were occasionally given indoor-arena turnout. It was always incredibly sad. I think the saddest story I have is someone who bought a beautiful morgan. He already owned a stallion, a prize-winning morgan who was the father of 90% of his horses, and so he wanted to add new blood to the herd.
He kept this stallion in a box stall 24/7. The horse would pace and pace, and they shut the window to his stall and locked it because this desperate and stir-crazy horse tried to climb out through the window-- so he couldn't even throw his head out the window for some fresh air. His stall was rarely cleaned more than once a week, so the dung would heap high, it was disgusting. It was a horrible existence. The other, original stallion had his own paddock and shed, but this stallion was locked in a stall because they didn't have paddock fences high enough to contain him. They did not have appropriate facilities for him.
And this stallion was not mean. He didn't try to bite passers-by, and he was in fact handleable by someone with experience. I still think about him often. People do horrible things to stallions, and to keep a horse in a stall for nearly its entire life is truly unconscionable.
By the way, Aequitas seems to have some kind of lump on his neck. I assume the owner will get it looked at once she's able to handle him, but any idea what it is?
Yes he has a lot to learn. The knot on the neck is from the vet tranquilizing him. I expect it will disappear.
Why didn’t you REPORT that person for abuse?! 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
@@stacyrich113 good question. It’s because I was a child at the time, about fourteen, and did not know who to report to.
The adults I spoke to either dismissed my concerns, or told me that it was unfortunate but that they couldn’t change anything because only the owner was allowed to handle the stallion, so they couldn’t let anyone in to clean his stall unless the owner found the time to move the horse.
The stallion’s circumstances were not hidden. Lots of adults saw him. Barn manager, riding instructors, parents of the kids who came to that farm. The farm gets a lot of public traffic. The other stallion’s paddock was also a muddy mess that was rarely cleaned of his waste, and the conditions of that paddock were openly visible as well.
But the animals were a healthy weight, they had clean water, were fed an appropriate diet, and had adequate shelter. The situation with their waste was disgusting, but even now, I don’t think there’s anything that could have legally been done. The stall was cleaned two or three times a month, and the horse was given indoor arena turnout during those cleanings.
While you and I recognize that is an unacceptable way to keep and treat a horse, the law only sets the minimum standards for treatment. Even now, I believe that even if I had reported them, nothing would have been done. This is the same state where you could keep a dog chained in a junk-filled yard in the summer heat and as long as he has water, there’s nothing illegal about it.
Beautiful horse with NO manners! How on earth did they trim his feet? I can see there was not much grooming.. Back in the day I would have rather worked with a never handled horse than a spoiled brat like this guy..
@peg4x449 He was not a spoiled brat. He had never been out of his pen. Of course he was terrified in his new environment with someone whipping at him and chasing him like a wild banshee.
I see nothing outstandingly beautiful about this one, a brown horse. Okie Dokie then 🤷🏼♀️
He has excellent conformation and defined muscles despite the lack of exercise.
Looks as if he had so much stall time , he had to get rid of some of the energy ,
You people are nutz! The ones who said he is cruel i would love to see you train that horse!
Thanks. I think I will survive. :).
@jeremypeck6896 I didn't see any training. What I saw was hazing.
He shouldn’t be a stallion
Why not?
He's got a lot of running to do after being locked up for so long!!
The only thing I would have changed in this first lesson is that IMMEDIATELY I would have let this stud know that I wasn't going to allow him to run over me. I wouldn't have waited.
Don’t like this guys methods
Wow lots of negative comments on here you make them eat there words I have plenty of faith in your training methods and I bet you will get to him in the end.
He just isn't accustomed to using his brain for anything.
I see the first, only, biggest problem: IT'S AN ARABIAN
Only someone would make that comment who rides a cold blood
I have a purebred Arabian mare and she is super smart and so respectful. Arabians are extremely intelligent and they need to be treated as such. My mare trusts me beyond a shadow of a doubt and would follow me anywhere.
@@paul2280 Maybe Gambling Gal does not understand that the nature of the Arabian, especially the stallions, is to be very active and reactive. That is what makes them so impressive and exciting to watch. They make "Liberty Classes" memorable. The great thing too is that they are not generally mean or aggressive towards humans.
@@vernonfrance2974 I've owned Arabs for some time. Travelled to Louisville for a number of the Egyptian pyramid events. I agree. The liberty class is amazing. Some people have that special 'born with talent' to communicate. Always something to learn. Appreciate you pointing out my thoughtlessness 👍
@@paul2280 Paul, I thought your comment was outstanding and not at all "thoughtless."
I have never had the pleasure of owning a horse but my uncle had a horse on our small acreage in Illinois when I was growing up. We would go to the horse shows he attended and his palominos generally won ribbons. Also, I always read everything I could about horses. I guess Walter Farley's books about The Black Stallion really captivated me as did Marguerite Henry's The Godolphin Arabian. They helped made me admire the breed. That was not all, though, as I find them to be very beautiful. They are so balanced and agile and they move as if they are on springs.
They are a foundation breed for many others including the Thoroughbred and the Percheron. The Percheron moves with more action and grace than any of the other draft horses in my opinion.
Am I right in my belief that they are not likely to be dangerous? I could not believe it when the trainer claimed the stallion tried to run over him. He actually ran touching the fence to avoid contact with the whip wielder. He was also nervous and spooked by being in such a totally different environment. Furthermore, the trainer admitted loading him into the trailer he'd been "chased like a cow" and had injured himself a bit. He wanted to be by the other horses on the other side of the fence for security and companionship, which is normal.
I think it's mean you are trying to hit the horse with the whip, is that gaining the horses trust!? Just seems cruel like you are trying hurt him by whipping.
Was he trying to whip him though, or was he whipping AT him?
Honestly if you know nothing about horse training keep quiet! You sound stupid.
Not trying to whip him at all, trying to get him to have a little respect. You can't have a partnership if one person doesn't know anything about boundaries.
Does this person own a horse,
If you don't like it don't watch it. FEELINGS have no place in a Real Man's world.