Same. Except I've been playing dagger instead of hood. Maybe I'll switch it up and give this a try.
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I've been running a variation of this with Darkhawk, Korg and Goose and I love it. 36 power Human Torch sure is something! Bounce decks are so fun. Bounce and Shield/Collector decks are the most fun for me. Thanks Jeff for sharing with us so many cool variations of bounce 🙌🏽 It's so fun to watch too!
I’ve been struggling to get to infinite for months now. I played this amazing deck once and I knew that the moment I get used to it it will get me there. It did in just two days! I managed to beat every single one of the meta decks with it! Thank you Jeff!
16:57 There's another variation you can do here which -1 power from the left in exchange for 2 power middle. Move Beast Left (as done in the video) Angela, Falcon, Iron Fist, Human Torch all in the middle in that order. It all works because using human torch in combination with Iron fist is +2 power (human torch doubles his power). And using falcon ability to pick up both Iron Fist and human Torch is also 2 power (placed on collector) All this variation does is give Angela an extra trigger. For the left, you are not picking up two cards so the collector does not grow. That's -2 from left compared to the video. You also aren't putting falcon in that spot so -5 in total. But this variation moves human torch so that is +4 so -1 in total. 22 power after the dust settles. For middle, Angela gains 6 points of power from her ability. 9 + 6 (+2 for Falcon, +2 for Iron Fist, and +2 for Human Torch being played in her location) = 15. And then just add falcon (+3) and iron fist (+2) for 20 total power. +2 from 18 which was got in the video.
In the game around the 17:00 mark I think chat calling out order was to say you could’ve played Iron Fist then Falcon mid for +2 on Angela while still getting Falcon to land left
@@Leon-Belmont I’ve climbed to infinite with this list and Monkey for the last two seasons. They did not kill the card… that said, you are OK swapping it for something if you don’t have it. There are so many ways the deck grows stats, it’s not mandatory.
Literally my deck for the last two Infinite climbs. Even before the Ghost Spider buff. I ran Spider Ham over Hood because I found it often filled my hand and my lanes were usually around 20 without demons, and Monkey over Chavez though I’ve definitely considered that exact switch before.
Human torch is just so good. The multiplayer get high fast and being able to deploy your whole build at the end of the game means you don't have priority and dont worry about counter cards at the end of the game often. It's the greatest strength of the deck. Kitty heavily in forces this concept. On a fun level it's the sequencing of the cards that makes it so enjoyable
Attuma's text says at the end of the turn, but that phase already passed and both were revealed at the end of the game instead. Invisible woman and dark dimension basically add another phase that isn't "end of turn" anymore. It's the same reason magik behind invisible woman doesn't work.
You can already ensure they have priority in most games anyway just by sequencing well. The tldr on Ghost is there’s no reason to add a bad card to your deck when you could just play better for the same effect
@DuckDoolittle I can see that, sometimes I usually struggle with managing the priority especially like if I don't see Beast or Falcon because bishop and collector just seemingly grows too fast. And I'm usually scared of not playing much because of the recent uprising of Prof X. I'll keep trying to improve though
Totally trying this out. I had to add the cards to a deck like a peasant though cause the deck link was to the legion good stuff deck from the other day…That I forgot to grab the deck code for…so that’s a twofer. Thanks!
Clearly bounce isn't dead after the Hit Monkey nerf. it is weird however that he is absent in the archetype now, because it seems like he was originally designed for this deck. That being said, I know he's still seeing play in Sera Control that run Hit Monkey + Mystique + Tech (shang-chi or enchantress, if Zabu) on turn 6... but still feels weird to see bounce without him.
I am wondering if the thing to do with hit monkey in sera is stash him under Invisible Woman but right now he just feels really clunky at 3 cost; like you need the stars to align to justify playing him t6
Hit monkey bounce is still extremely good, and possibly the optimal version. This deck is simply another direction you can take the bounce archetype that seems fun and powerful, not “the new optimal bounce deck”
I hit infinite last season with a very very similar list. I was running dagger, ham, mysterio instead of hood, collector and chavez love the list and still play it regularly.
Great video! Do we think this version of bounce might be better than the stock one at the moment for the surprise factor? I’ve been considering cutting Monkey in the stock list as he feels a little clunky now.
dont do it please. yes he is harder to play with now. often its a little less power before you beast him but with beast and 1-2 one drops he is still a 8-12 power on the last turn. he also still crushes with kamar taj, cloning vats, lukes bar, sinister london. so he still wins me games and occasionally he still gets to 10+ power like before.
This deck is so fun! However changed Chavez for Shang since she felt useless if nothing was discounted by Beast. Helped me smack down alot of greedy decks.
Cutting Chavez is the single biggest mistake you can make in a bounce deck. You don't play her because she is good to play out on turn six, you play her because she makes your deck more consistent for the first five turns.
Have you considered adding Taskmaster to this deck? I think it could be more worthwhile than Angela here. I used to get insane numbers with Task in this kind of deck months ago. I'm going to try it in your version!
Vulture might be too slow. Dagger is a little too reliant on your opponents to get big and they'll start playing around her more in places like Conquest
I've been playing this exact list for about 3 days now, and it's just a blast. When you hit that fist/torch/spider/beast line, games just get crazy.
Same. Except I've been playing dagger instead of hood. Maybe I'll switch it up and give this a try.
I've been running a variation of this with Darkhawk, Korg and Goose and I love it. 36 power Human Torch sure is something! Bounce decks are so fun. Bounce and Shield/Collector decks are the most fun for me.
Thanks Jeff for sharing with us so many cool variations of bounce 🙌🏽 It's so fun to watch too!
I’ve been struggling to get to infinite for months now. I played this amazing deck once and I knew that the moment I get used to it it will get me there. It did in just two days! I managed to beat every single one of the meta decks with it! Thank you Jeff!
this is exactly the deck list i needed to see to get me back in. i've been having the feels-bad missing out on legion all week
incredible play. that falcon and Atlantis game is a top coolest moments for me
16:57 There's another variation you can do here which -1 power from the left in exchange for 2 power middle.
Move Beast Left (as done in the video)
Angela, Falcon, Iron Fist, Human Torch all in the middle in that order.
It all works because using human torch in combination with Iron fist is +2 power (human torch doubles his power). And using falcon ability to pick up both Iron Fist and human Torch is also 2 power (placed on collector)
All this variation does is give Angela an extra trigger.
For the left, you are not picking up two cards so the collector does not grow. That's -2 from left compared to the video. You also aren't putting falcon in that spot so -5 in total. But this variation moves human torch so that is +4 so -1 in total. 22 power after the dust settles.
For middle, Angela gains 6 points of power from her ability. 9 + 6 (+2 for Falcon, +2 for Iron Fist, and +2 for Human Torch being played in her location) = 15. And then just add falcon (+3) and iron fist (+2) for 20 total power. +2 from 18 which was got in the video.
Wow, Amazing deck Question, How good and consistent is this deck in the current meta?
In the game around the 17:00 mark I think chat calling out order was to say you could’ve played Iron Fist then Falcon mid for +2 on Angela while still getting Falcon to land left
Bounce was my fav deck and I was bummed with the nerf that happened so I’m glad you shared this!
Thank you! I don't have Hit-Monkey and I love playing Bounce. So this list makes me super happy to try out!
They kill the monkey so its ok now 😂
@@Leon-Belmont I’ve climbed to infinite with this list and Monkey for the last two seasons. They did not kill the card… that said, you are OK swapping it for something if you don’t have it. There are so many ways the deck grows stats, it’s not mandatory.
I remember this from the stream. Chat screaming order so consistently always made me laugh.
Finally a Bounce/Move is returned!
Also jeff I vote you in the Conquerors I believe you can do it!
Literally my deck for the last two Infinite climbs. Even before the Ghost Spider buff. I ran Spider Ham over Hood because I found it often filled my hand and my lanes were usually around 20 without demons, and Monkey over Chavez though I’ve definitely considered that exact switch before.
Human torch is just so good. The multiplayer get high fast and being able to deploy your whole build at the end of the game means you don't have priority and dont worry about counter cards at the end of the game often. It's the greatest strength of the deck. Kitty heavily in forces this concept.
On a fun level it's the sequencing of the cards that makes it so enjoyable
@5:21 how come the atuma didn't get destroyed when taskmaster was revealed?
Attuma's text says at the end of the turn, but that phase already passed and both were revealed at the end of the game instead. Invisible woman and dark dimension basically add another phase that isn't "end of turn" anymore. It's the same reason magik behind invisible woman doesn't work.
Cool that we can now bounce ghost spider in a better way with the buff. Interesting and fun deck!
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Would you consider fitting in Ghost to insure they have priority all the time? Maybe drop The Hood?
That only works if you don't Falcon your Ghost. Seems more like a liability.
Yeah play after the falcon if possible
You can already ensure they have priority in most games anyway just by sequencing well. The tldr on Ghost is there’s no reason to add a bad card to your deck when you could just play better for the same effect
@DuckDoolittle I can see that, sometimes I usually struggle with managing the priority especially like if I don't see Beast or Falcon because bishop and collector just seemingly grows too fast. And I'm usually scared of not playing much because of the recent uprising of Prof X. I'll keep trying to improve though
Totally trying this out.
I had to add the cards to a deck like a peasant though cause the deck link was to the legion good stuff deck from the other day…That I forgot to grab the deck code for…so that’s a twofer. Thanks!
Clearly bounce isn't dead after the Hit Monkey nerf. it is weird however that he is absent in the archetype now, because it seems like he was originally designed for this deck. That being said, I know he's still seeing play in Sera Control that run Hit Monkey + Mystique + Tech (shang-chi or enchantress, if Zabu) on turn 6... but still feels weird to see bounce without him.
I am wondering if the thing to do with hit monkey in sera is stash him under Invisible Woman but right now he just feels really clunky at 3 cost; like you need the stars to align to justify playing him t6
Loved.the card but haven't used him since the nerf. Also, I really haven't seen him in any of my matches.
Hit monkey bounce is still extremely good, and possibly the optimal version. This deck is simply another direction you can take the bounce archetype that seems fun and powerful, not “the new optimal bounce deck”
I was trying something similar, but your list looks way more refined than mine, thanks for de deck!
nice list jeff! btw it seems that the decklist in the description is taking us to a hawk legion deck!
Should be fixed.
I hit infinite last season with a very very similar list. I was running dagger, ham, mysterio instead of hood, collector and chavez love the list and still play it regularly.
I played a very similar deck most of last season. When it works, it hits huge, but it is extremely vulnerable to killmonger/shang chi/shadow king.
Watching you for a while and now i got to infinite and Infinity conquest. Thanks for your videos
Great video! Do we think this version of bounce might be better than the stock one at the moment for the surprise factor? I’ve been considering cutting Monkey in the stock list as he feels a little clunky now.
dont do it please. yes he is harder to play with now. often its a little less power before you beast him but with beast and 1-2 one drops he is still a 8-12 power on the last turn. he also still crushes with kamar taj, cloning vats, lukes bar, sinister london. so he still wins me games and occasionally he still gets to 10+ power like before.
Woooow Jeff, this deck is dope!!! Awesome content bro!!!
This deck is so fun! However changed Chavez for Shang since she felt useless if nothing was discounted by Beast. Helped me smack down alot of greedy decks.
Cutting Chavez is the single biggest mistake you can make in a bounce deck. You don't play her because she is good to play out on turn six, you play her because she makes your deck more consistent for the first five turns.
In this video: chat is a few steps behind
with the sequencing and no deepspace that would have been at least a 64 power hurman torch
Gl in the tournament!
Have you considered adding Taskmaster to this deck? I think it could be more worthwhile than Angela here. I used to get insane numbers with Task in this kind of deck months ago. I'm going to try it in your version!
No. You need angela to be more consistent in games you don't draw torch. Task master is only good when torch pops off, which is very narrow.
@@HooglandiaSnap fair point! I appreciate your reply
Damn!!! I wish I didn't take a break during the Ghost Spider Battle Pass...
Not a huge deal but the decklist is your Legion deck, not this one.
Fixed, thanks!
Jeff you are awesome. That is all I wanted to say
@@shinglepicker Thanks! Btw, my name is Jeff as well.
Thanks Jeff, FYI you have the wrong deck list in the description
Fixed
Jeff, you should have kept this one under wraps until after Conquerors!
A deck that makes my brain hurt. I'm home!
I suspect I already know the answer but.... viable substitutes for Ghost Spider?
whats can replace ghost spider. and i also dont have hit monkey
Any room for dagger or vulture here? Having fist and spider in there only to move torch feels a little weak
Vulture might be too slow. Dagger is a little too reliant on your opponents to get big and they'll start playing around her more in places like Conquest
Fist and spider also work to make Angela bigger
I've been playing this with dagger instead of hood and I've had success with her.
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You can nerf the bounce out of the Jeff, but you can’t bounce the Jeff out of, out of, um, idk what I’m saying anymore
That deck looks fun
Love some bounce deck!
Jeff The Conqueror!!! We all root for you buddy !!!
i been cleaning up with this lol, i have dagger instead of Hood though
Always loved this kind of deck, I call them stick n move
finally some inexpensive (for the most part) bounce varriation
hopefully ghost spider drops soon
This is a spicy deck
Beastly slide!
I'm noticing a theme with your bounce videos... after the intro, you're spoiled for choice and don't know what to play! 😅
Love the vids!
"fist the torch" 🤔
This deck look fun af
Can we all petition to have Beast changed back to a 2/2?
That hit monkey nerf to 3 cost is real..
I think "cursed with literacy" is one of the best responses to some terrible back seat gaming
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Really cool until a wild killmonger apear 😂
Deck I all about managing priority. Killmonger should rarely be an issue.
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Invisible woman + killmonger just wins against this
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