Great info. I always bury fish heads and leftovers from filleting then at the bottom of the hole. If you don’t have any fish then you can put a couple of raw eggs. It’s amazing how those two things will give your fruit trees or any tree a big boost when you first plant them.
A friend of mine did a tes a few years back. He planted a few trees using this method an some using the conventional composting method. The "blueprint method" trees have outgrown the others by a metre in 2 years. Much bigger and much more leafier. So this method definitely works best.
@Andrei Lucaci definitely not a failed method. I planted an aronia and a stellar cherry a month ago. Already had growth on day 4. They look far better than any other fruit tree we've planted in our awful TX panhandle soil.
@Andrei Lucaci this is my experience and trial after studying several professionals using this method, bruh. If you had the ground we do here in TX panhandle, you'd be willing to try anything besides planting in the native dirt. Can't even call it soil. David is just coming into their spring. Also, their country is absolute crap right now so might extend some grace. I'll bet he will do a piece on it. Are you on his patreon? Might be there too.
Hi Pete, Great video, if you mix your soil in the bucket of your tractor then you can just dump your mixture into the hole. Seems like it would save you a bunch of shoveling...
If you place a tarp down before digging, then put the dirt on it, then mix in your ingredients, you won’t waste any of it, and you’ll have a tidy area when you’re done.
Another tip, if you tie the ankles to the bottom of your trousers then you can mix all the ingredients in your pants, and when you want to let a bit of soil out, take of your shoe and it’ll all come out👍
Thanks. I saw the thumbnail and had to see if it was Ellen White the author. It Is! I have read some of her work on nutrition. I used to live near Keene. Amazing woman!
The Lord gave her the method. Who better to know what He created needed. If you read the last 8 chapters of her book Great Controversy, you will be astonished it was written late 1800’s. God is so kind. He wanted us aware.
I don't think I have the right words for Pete, a man of trust. Imagine our world is filled with people who joyfully share, the Eden project could have made our planet a paradise. The 3 by 3 by 3ft hole works for one tree. A trench would be good for a row of trees, and field done this way would be a farm of trees and everything. Can you imagine, an expert asking me what good are stones in farming? Conclusion, truly there's hope for planetary afforestation. My lesson for the day is: I don't know the science behind, but it works. Thanks and stay alive for many years.
Great video. I planted trees using this method, or at least a similar one, before. Haven’t done it for a while, and I was much younger then. I will soon be getting back into it again, however, and I do remember how much work is involved. At 67 yrs.old, I’m glad I purchased a DIY-sized cement mixer (about 2 or 3 cu. ft.) a while back. After watching your video, I hope the darn thing still works. It’ll surely help my already aching back (knees, elbows, etc.). Thanks for posting. I’m glad I’m a subscriber.
I watched several videos on this Ellen White method. I have most of her books, very inspired woman by the Lord, very humble, and this is a divine method. You did a great job of explaining it what I really like, because you gave the measurements for the phosphate and calcium and the salt water and I really appreciate that.
Great how-to for each fruit tree. I can't help but suggest that since you have twenty or so to do, and the tractor with bucket, create a centralized batching area to do all that soil and amendment mixing using the tractor. Then do the three layers building in each hole using the bucket to shuttle in the mixture from the batch pile. Think "economy of scale" and leverage your availability of equipment. Thanks for the video!
You can also keep it natural and use sticks and twigs to create the air pocket - it will break down over time, but by that stage the roots will create more air flow too :)
*THIS IS THE DUTCH METHOD :* Ellen White is using the dutch method for fruit trees. Dutch farmers would augment their soil to increase nutrition, and then layer the ground beneath the trees to encourage roots to "seek out food" they need. High leaching nutrients were used near the top, and harder, slower leaching, sources were used closer to the bottom. Rocks were added in a layer deep down to encourage roots to "grab anchor" as the Dutch use to say. The roots would grow around the rocks, and the rocks would anchor the tree roots much better than without.....providing much better wind resistance, and the rocks were sources of sea minerals. Furthermore....the Dutch would bury fish, and poultry carcases deep down to enrich the soil. They did not mention knowledge of iodine, but the Dutch mentioned that "fish preferred, but poultry raised near the coast could be an alternative in resisting deformity of the youth".......pointing to an understanding that the sea was connected with good healthy offspring.
You are so right about electricity running everything. The reason they add wet lime to hard clay soil when preparing for a road bed is because the lime makes the clay not absorb water anymore because it thinks it's already saturated because the lime puts the electrons on the flat face of the clay particles just like water otherwise would. Everything is electrical man, it's amazing!
I usually put the water in the hole before adding the soil. This allows me to see how fast/slow the water is draining, and it trains the tree to grow the roots downward toward the water.
I live very close to Cooranbong were Ellen w christen group purchased the land with bad soil and had the dream after the hole group prayed on buying the land records were taken on how large the fruit was and how the taste was so good. I was wondering how your trees are going after 4 year I saw your video please could you let me know
In a year or 2? Last fall 2020, my friend planted about a dozen trees upstate NY., And this year this spring she found most of them loaded with blossom She was so excited to see her hard work paying off so soon!!!
I think the thing that is missing with this method is a decent amount of biochar. After digging the hole and before filling it in with everything I'd probably throw all the dry brush I have around into the hole and light it up. Burn it until the big flames disappear and the sticks start to fall to bits and douse it with water (you don't want it to burn completely or you'll burn all the char to ash). Alternatively you can make biochar in another method and toss it in with your soil.
Don't hold your breath. Loads of people get excited about this method and spend a lot of work and money starting it... and very, very few of them ever show proof of it two, five, or ten years down the road.
Suggest you stake the newly planted tree to stop wind damage to root system as it sends out new roots, and don't forget to water the tree with one bucket every day for three weeks.
My husband and I just planted three trees yesterday, and I watching this two years later, thinking only halfway in that somebody needs to bring you a sandwich and a bottle of water! Please post an update for your fellow Texans.
Pete, I'm up there in age and with you mixing all those different ingredients I'd be tuckered out just from the first tree and would have to take a week long rest before I would tackle the second tree so I was thinking of using one of those portable cement mixers to mix them for me, but your young enough to do your way, nice job !!! But just watching you has got me breathing hard lol. Larry
Thank you, I tried digging one by hand but our soil/clay is so hard since it hasn't rain in two months that we got the backhoe. That cement mixer is a great idea.
There are two things that I do a little differently to you. 1/ I groove the edge of the hole with a spade as it will allow the roots to spread a little easier. 2/ I use a cement mixer to mix the soil mix.Once mixed, you just empty it straight into to hole... I'm 73 and anything that saves my back, I'll try ;) lol
Excellent demonstration. Have three fruit trees planted 3 years ago and not growing. at all. I will sure try this method with my persimmons fruit free first.
I've never done this so I can only provide expert UA-cam observation keyboard advice :). I think mixing the dirt in the hole with one of those weed eater attachment mini cultivators they use in flower beds might be a back saver. One thing I have done is....I turn the pot on its side and roll it before removing the plant. Last UA-cam observation keyboard advice is .... Maybe substitute a chunk of wood for the rock to spread the roots. Hopefully you think these awesome observations are worthy and I got them to you before you planted the last tree!!! Gotta love summer time in Texas!!!
I chuckle every time someone says they have hard clay and it just looks like loose red dirt. I'm in Oklahoma and our red clay comes out in big hard clumps. It's compacted hard red clumps.
Am I allowed to laugh even harder bc here on my island it’s limestone and sometimes put a fence post down mean digging into solid rock. Haha I can only dream of digging into any soil.
And in the Texas panhandle we're on previously raped farmland that was tilled and ravaged during the rare rainfall, sprayed with chemicals since the 40s. It's still recovering after we've been here 11 years, but the ruts are scars across her belly that will remain forever and are visible from satellite. We're trying to regenerate.
Hi Pete, I used Ellen White method for my plants because my lot has hard clay, so far I made 7 holds and planted 6 plants. I need to dig 3-4 more hold. I believe rock and pot in the 1st lay very important for the plant ( it creates electric and magnetic fields ). When I was little, I used to hear they said about dig hold put container and rock to help fruit tree healthy and produce a lot of fruits, now I am 74 years old. Another thing cookware from clay the food tastes better than metalware.
one thing you have to watch, top soil and most soil amendments you buy from a store is sterile (no micro organisms) ... i found this out the hard way when I built raised bed gardens using only store bought soil + compost ... my plants didn't do worth 10 cents the first couple of years. I've been having horrible issues with fruit trees also planted in a high density raised bed method due to my clay soil, out of 40 trees only about 12 of them are still alive their second year so I am looking for alternative ways. I am also curious of your follow up to this method.
Out of 38 trees that I planted using this method, I've only lost three trees, one to transplant shock, the other was in a pot for two years before I planted it and one died for no apparent reason and also two fig trees to a couple days of cold weather in the winter here.
@@juliankong6434 since 4 years ago, I found that heavily mulching the clay helps drastically. The clay has plenty of nutrients and keeping it from drying out goes a long way to tree success. I haven't lost a tree since I started heavy mulching ... even though I haven't planted anything new since 2020 but thats because i got blessed with cancer. Currently, i have 70 fruit and nut and citrus trees, all doing well. If you let the clay dry out, it smoothers the roots and they can't expand.
Thank you so much for sharing this information, I will be giving the amendments you added a try. As far as a rock under the roots, I wish I had thought of it before planting my apple/peach trees a decade ago. We have very wet soil and when the trees bare fruit we have to anchor them with ties or they lean precariously. This year we are adding several large rocks around the tree perimeters to anchor to, would have been better to have only 1 underground.
Just a little fruitful advice: Collect as much used coffee grounds you can get from coffee shops and place around top of your planting. Worms absolutely thrive and multiply by the thousands in used coffee grounds. It really helps.
I’ve heard not to amend the soil in clay because you create a bucket filled with loose soil which will hold too much water. Don’t know if that’s true or not. Just amend at the top of the soil…Curious to know your results.
And couple that has planted tree by this method makes holes in the wall of the hole to make it easier for the roots to expand into the surrounding soil. See Marie's Country Life channel. Their trees really grow using this method.
i dig with my hand into the soil a bit, desoil the tree... sit it there, mound up with loam, spread compost, water in real good a few times, then shes on auto no plastic or bulldozers needed, the native way :)
Great video. I am planting several apple trees this spring and will use it. I suspect that the inverted pot or ABS airspace is to prevent excessive rain from causing localized root rot. I think your mixing amendments and soil together would go easier if you did it on a small thick tarp and used as square pointed shovel. Once mixed, you slide the tarp to the edge of the hole and lift it up which pours the mixture into the hole, and then smooth . This also saves material because the tarp prevents the mixture from intertwining with the grass at the hole's edge. Kind regards. Craig
Sure like the idea of a terra-cotta pipe rather than plastic. I'm building a site in an old-school backyard full of nutrition via no-dig and wood-chips and cardboard and chop and drop and grow anything that works for my climate. And plastic or other inorganics just don't work for me as doing things correctly and mimicking nature. But power to you for having a wife that decided that it was time for a back-hoe. Luck or choice - You done good.
How about using a small cement mixer to mix up the soil and amendments. Then is can be poured from the mixer into the hole. Or shoveled in, however you like.
I have to agree with my Oklahoma friend. I live in Kansas and our place is nothing but clay and it comes up in big hard clumps. When it is dry it is as hard as rock...when it is wet, it is like walking in silly putty and climbs up over your shoes. It is a mess.
Hi. I tried planting the Ellen White Method on originally a clay soil. When it rains the water stays in the the hole, it won't drain and my tree wilted. Is there any tip on how to plant it in a clay soil? Thanks a lot.
Mound it, reverse engineered going higher rather than going down. Drainage is far more important in your case. EGW planted in rocky ground that’s means drainage
My question is- does this not cause a balling up of the roots because they don't want to disperse for more nutrients? We're in heavy clay- and other videos stated to not add nutrients into the dug out mix
That's why you want a square hole. The roots follow the walls and end up in the corners and then hit a wall and are sent out into the surrounding soil. If you dig a round hole it can become a root ball depending what the outside soil is (if highly compacted).
Another note. The orchard you buy from will also recommend that you do not add manure. Your fruit tree will not spread out it will keep a tight root system within your manurepit. lol. True though. They will be large but easily pushed over.
Appreciate the video Pete. I hadn't seen this one earlier and will try this method the next time we plant a tree. Looks like lots of work, but if it make the tree grow faster and produce more, well worth the effort. Thanks for sharing.
I used cow manure along with chicken poo mixed into my compost pile mixed all 3 together then dug my hole using the dirt from the hole i mixed in with my manure compost mix then added some miracle grow soil to it i thought that would make for a good soil mix but since planting 2 peach and 1 plum saplings at the 20 foot spacing they recommended but they dont seem to be doing anything no buds or leaves or anything i wonder if i did something wrong or if im not being patient enough since i live roughly an hour from you was hoping you could give me some advice
Hey Pete, I'm in Eastern Az. Trade ya 1 truck load of that red clay for as much sand as you'd like. I have 40 acres of beautiful almost beach-like sand. 🙂
We could have a chain swap😂 I have 60 wooded acres of rich, black soil with lots of forest leaf mold. I was just wishing I had a patch of that clay,and the sand would come in handy too! I think the shipping costs would kill us though 🤷🏼♀️
any updates on the 20 plus trees? I would like to see the results before I hire some locals at the 7-11 or Home Depot parking lot for the digging part.
I watched this one twice, I love your UA-cam and maybe almost of your video. You are cool! . I learn a lot, I wish I live in 20 acres like you. City in Southern Ca. I got a old drawing detail of Ellen White from Yannick Van Doorne yuotube? (Yannick Van Doorne, Agronome Engeneer, Ph D., Belgian. He speak French, English,...
Using a backhoe to dig a big hole isn't cheating, it is smart! Especially in clay. Your soil looks like mine though you are spared the rock ledge and random rocks left by retreating glaciers.
Bud, mix in the bucket, dump her, i enjoy watching a tractor, watching its owner dig by hand till he cant catch a breath lol, great i dea tha air pouch H culture
Sea Kelp. If one has a pond with aquatic plants in abundance....duckweed, water hyacinth, cattails, etc....will they supply the same type of nutrient profile?
concerning gravel, the only reason iv'e heard of is in places that have hard clay it helps with the compacting and breaking the clay soil helping the roots spread our long in the years a head.
Thank you for that info.you look tired but u dida great job but did you forget to add a pc pipe in there all the way t the rocks so water can be added threw there and the roots will go down there as well.
The reason it works, is that Ellen White believed in God and was given this method specifically by God along with lots of health and well-being gems. Not because of her, but because God is awesome.
13:02 The rock layer added into the first part (topsoil/mulch/other additive mix) changes the current of the root system according to a study by EN Jones?
My concern with this method is the leching of the plastiseals, (plastic contamination) that the tree will soak up more and more over time. Thus the fruit becomes contaminated. I recommend you listen to The Back to Eden Gardening by Paul Gouchey (sp) on UA-cam. I thank you for your patience in reading this.
I think there are some plastics that will resist or approach 0 contamination, I believe the black drain plastic as well as not being exposed to air/sun will work better than the white for example. This is just a guess from some material science classes I took decades ago but I remember a plumber had to use a certain type of plastic for drinking water in my house. Then he used the white plastic for drain pipes and cold water pipes to the cloths and dish washers. Hot water was another more expensive pipe he had to use. I'm not saying it has to do with the color but the prices were different and I asked why. We forget that just a few decades ago our drinking water traveled thru lead, asbestos and copper pipes which all had side effects we didn't know about till recently. Thanks for taking the time to read as well and if anybody has more scientific info it would be appreciated.
At least you have dirt because Florida is sandy crap. We buy so much manure and miracle grow or have to pay quite a bit for soil. What I do is at bottom of hole is to fill it full of water, let that soak in then add dirt and plant then re water
I lived in south east Florida for eight years. I remember trying to put in a mail box post and hit coral about eight inches down and if you dig much deeper you'll hit water. 😕
Using commercial fertilizers, gets washed into the Gulf, and causes Red Tide. Make compost, use wood ash, and crushed egg shells instead for plantings. Use permeable materials for driveways like crushed shell. All those pretty lawns in Florida are ruining the Gulf from commercial Fertilizers running down driveways, and streets during big storms/flooding.
I'm guessing the science behind it is simple, that really fertile soil means faster growth. My only question I wonder about is because for trees this is basically the most important thing, ROOT System. Is it growing strong by using this method? One of the things I noticed on UA-cam is everyone seems to be planting trees shallow which seems suspect to me.
Great info. I always bury fish heads and leftovers from filleting then at the bottom of the hole. If you don’t have any fish then you can put a couple of raw eggs. It’s amazing how those two things will give your fruit trees or any tree a big boost when you first plant them.
A friend of mine did a tes a few years back. He planted a few trees using this method an some using the conventional composting method.
The "blueprint method" trees have outgrown the others by a metre in 2 years. Much bigger and much more leafier. So this method definitely works best.
@Andrei Lucaci No my friend, once their food runs out in this hole the trees have become so strong to penetrate to the bad soil.
@@_the_assassin stick a 2 inch piece of pvc pipe down in the roots and feed it and water it that way ..
New fruit tree must adapted to native soil, I planted 6 fruit trees without any soil amendments ,after its fully established, then fertilized ..
I would love to see an update on how your trees are doing… Two years on they should be beautiful and healthy.
Can you make an update on the progress of your tree in the video?
@Andrei Lucaci why
@@jowoo7237 things like these - the only way to learn is to try. do not give in to the theorizing of know-it-alls. blessings to all
Must be a failed method
@Andrei Lucaci definitely not a failed method. I planted an aronia and a stellar cherry a month ago. Already had growth on day 4. They look far better than any other fruit tree we've planted in our awful TX panhandle soil.
@Andrei Lucaci this is my experience and trial after studying several professionals using this method, bruh. If you had the ground we do here in TX panhandle, you'd be willing to try anything besides planting in the native dirt. Can't even call it soil. David is just coming into their spring. Also, their country is absolute crap right now so might extend some grace. I'll bet he will do a piece on it. Are you on his patreon? Might be there too.
Hi Pete, Great video, if you mix your soil in the bucket of your tractor then you can just dump your mixture into the hole. Seems like it would save you a bunch of shoveling...
If you place a tarp down before digging, then put the dirt on it, then mix in your ingredients, you won’t waste any of it, and you’ll have a tidy area when you’re done.
thats a really great idea, thanks;.]
That sounds like my Swiss Grandfather talking, LOL!
Exactly what l was thinking- saves time and helps keeps the area cleaner
Another tip, if you tie the ankles to the bottom of your trousers then you can mix all the ingredients in your pants, and when you want to let a bit of soil out, take of your shoe and it’ll all come out👍
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Thanks. I saw the thumbnail and had to see if it was Ellen White the author. It Is! I have read some of her work on nutrition. I used to live near Keene. Amazing woman!
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The false prophetess of adventism?
You're making me not want to plant a tree this way
@@lacklusterami Watch “Total Onslaught” by Walter Veith UA-cam it ua-cam.com/video/eDrscByKEUQ/v-deo.html
@@followthelamb144 okay, the south african accent sucked me in. I guess I will. Thanks, frand
This Ellen white lady must have had a huge property…and lots of gardeners to help out…
The Lord gave her the method. Who better to know what He created needed.
If you read the last 8 chapters of her book Great Controversy, you will be astonished it was written late 1800’s. God is so kind. He wanted us aware.
I don't think I have the right words for Pete, a man of trust. Imagine our world is filled with people who joyfully share, the Eden project could have made our planet a paradise.
The 3 by 3 by 3ft hole works for one tree. A trench would be good for a row of trees, and field done this way would be a farm of trees and everything.
Can you imagine, an expert asking me what good are stones in farming?
Conclusion, truly there's hope for planetary afforestation.
My lesson for the day is: I don't know the science behind, but it works.
Thanks and stay alive for many years.
I just tried the EGW method 4 months ago, and I'm getting awesome results!
How about now?
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Great video. I planted trees using this method, or at least a similar one, before. Haven’t done it for a while, and I was much younger then. I will soon be getting back into it again, however, and I do remember how much work is involved. At 67 yrs.old, I’m glad I purchased a DIY-sized cement mixer (about 2 or 3 cu. ft.) a while back. After watching your video, I hope the darn thing still works. It’ll surely help my already aching back (knees, elbows, etc.). Thanks for posting. I’m glad I’m a subscriber.
Thank you 👍
I watched several videos on this Ellen White method. I have most of her books, very inspired woman by the Lord, very humble, and this is a divine method. You did a great job of explaining it what I really like, because you gave the measurements for the phosphate and calcium and the salt water and I really appreciate that.
Great how-to for each fruit tree. I can't help but suggest that since you have twenty or so to do, and the tractor with bucket, create a centralized batching area to do all that soil and amendment mixing using the tractor. Then do the three layers building in each hole using the bucket to shuttle in the mixture from the batch pile. Think "economy of scale" and leverage your availability of equipment. Thanks for the video!
You can also keep it natural and use sticks and twigs to create the air pocket - it will break down over time, but by that stage the roots will create more air flow too :)
An upside-down Clay has worked well for me. I planted 6 plum trees and they grew 3 feet in the first summer.
I was going to say the same thing. I don't put anything toxic in my soil, period. It has to be all natural just as it would be in nature.
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*THIS IS THE DUTCH METHOD :*
Ellen White is using the dutch method for fruit trees. Dutch farmers would augment their soil to increase nutrition, and then layer the ground beneath the trees to encourage roots to "seek out food" they need. High leaching nutrients were used near the top, and harder, slower leaching, sources were used closer to the bottom. Rocks were added in a layer deep down to encourage roots to "grab anchor" as the Dutch use to say. The roots would grow around the rocks, and the rocks would anchor the tree roots much better than without.....providing much better wind resistance, and the rocks were sources of sea minerals. Furthermore....the Dutch would bury fish, and poultry carcases deep down to enrich the soil. They did not mention knowledge of iodine, but the Dutch mentioned that "fish preferred, but poultry raised near the coast could be an alternative in resisting deformity of the youth".......pointing to an understanding that the sea was connected with good healthy offspring.
Think I would have mixed the spin in that nifty wagon…
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_"Think I would have mixed the spin in that nifty wagon…"_
You are so right about electricity running everything. The reason they add wet lime to hard clay soil when preparing for a road bed is because the lime makes the clay not absorb water anymore because it thinks it's already saturated because the lime puts the electrons on the flat face of the clay particles just like water otherwise would. Everything is electrical man, it's amazing!
I usually put the water in the hole before adding the soil. This allows me to see how fast/slow the water is draining, and it trains the tree to grow the roots downward toward the water.
I live very close to Cooranbong were Ellen w christen group purchased the land with bad soil and had the dream after the hole group prayed on buying the land records were taken on how large the fruit was and how the taste was so good. I was wondering how your trees are going after 4 year I saw your video please could you let me know
In a year or 2? Last fall 2020, my friend planted about a dozen trees upstate NY., And this year this spring she found most of them loaded with blossom
She was so excited to see her hard work paying off so soon!!!
Damn with that much work and ingredients those fruit trees better make fruit pies
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Planting trees takes a lot of work no matter which way you do it.
Looks like the wife had to conveniently leave and get the kids at school!!🤣 Thanks for your time and expertise!🙏🏻
I think the thing that is missing with this method is a decent amount of biochar. After digging the hole and before filling it in with everything I'd probably throw all the dry brush I have around into the hole and light it up. Burn it until the big flames disappear and the sticks start to fall to bits and douse it with water (you don't want it to burn completely or you'll burn all the char to ash).
Alternatively you can make biochar in another method and toss it in with your soil.
I live in a very dense clay soil area. This method is a game changer
I would love to see an update on how this worked. Please let us know!
Don't hold your breath. Loads of people get excited about this method and spend a lot of work and money starting it... and very, very few of them ever show proof of it two, five, or ten years down the road.
@@dogslobbergardens6606 😭
It’s true I suffered great losses using this on 60 trees
Suggest you stake the newly planted tree to stop wind damage to root system as it sends out new roots, and don't forget to water the tree with one bucket every day for three weeks.
My husband and I just planted three trees yesterday, and I watching this two years later, thinking only halfway in that somebody needs to bring you a sandwich and a bottle of water! Please post an update for your fellow Texans.
Thank you. Did you do a follow up of the video in 2020? I would so love to see how your trees fared?
Best wishes from Australia.
That's a big hole to dig by hand. U got the machine to help. I would too. I would need a machine to mix the soil, I am too old to hand mix them. :).
Pete, I'm up there in age and with you mixing all those different ingredients I'd be tuckered out just from the first tree and would have to take a week long rest before I would tackle the second tree so I was thinking of using one of those portable cement mixers to mix them for me, but your young enough to do your way, nice job !!! But just watching you has got me breathing hard lol. Larry
Thank you, I tried digging one by hand but our soil/clay is so hard since it hasn't rain in two months that we got the backhoe. That cement mixer is a great idea.
Love the technique. We have a backhoe and a concrete mixer so that will save our backs.
Could you use sticks, limbs instead of plastic in the hole for air?
You can use clay pots put upsidedown instead of plastic, sticks and limbs will break down to fast.
There are two things that I do a little differently to you. 1/ I groove the edge of the hole with a spade as it will allow the roots to spread a little easier. 2/ I use a cement mixer to mix the soil mix.Once mixed, you just empty it straight into to hole... I'm 73 and anything that saves my back, I'll try ;) lol
Excellent demonstration. Have three fruit trees planted 3 years ago and not growing.
at all. I will sure try this method with my persimmons fruit free first.
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I want to plant 3-4 fruit trees. Appears to be a lot of work. I think I’ll do one at time.... FYI, I’m 69 years old.
Great job buddy great info I've always said from experience that shoveling and moving dirt's one of the hardest jobs there is
Thank you, man you're not kidding it's hard work especially when it was 97 degrees out. 😧
I agree. Dirt should be in the description of a type of resistance.
@@petebeasttexashomesteading Hey Pete! Love the content. Are you near Tyler, TX?
I also live East of Dallas. It’s been 3 years since you did the fruit tree planting. How are the trees doing
Pete, mix all the soil and ingredients in the wagon you have. Use a flat nose shovel-"coal shovel".
I've never done this so I can only provide expert UA-cam observation keyboard advice :). I think mixing the dirt in the hole with one of those weed eater attachment mini cultivators they use in flower beds might be a back saver. One thing I have done is....I turn the pot on its side and roll it before removing the plant. Last UA-cam observation keyboard advice is .... Maybe substitute a chunk of wood for the rock to spread the roots.
Hopefully you think these awesome observations are worthy and I got them to you before you planted the last tree!!! Gotta love summer time in Texas!!!
Thanks, I tried mixing in the hole on one tree but it works out best to do it like I did.
Highly informative. Thank you. Is it possible to update how this particular tree has done?
Great job, great info, mate. Cheers from Australia.
I chuckle every time someone says they have hard clay and it just looks like loose red dirt. I'm in Oklahoma and our red clay comes out in big hard clumps. It's compacted hard red clumps.
Am I allowed to laugh even harder bc here on my island it’s limestone and sometimes put a fence post down mean digging into solid rock. Haha I can only dream of digging into any soil.
@@sorryimshy5412 I’m thinking the same thing! I live in southwest Texas and we actually broke a commercial rocksaw digging on our property! 🤣🤣🤣
And in the Texas panhandle we're on previously raped farmland that was tilled and ravaged during the rare rainfall, sprayed with chemicals since the 40s. It's still recovering after we've been here 11 years, but the ruts are scars across her belly that will remain forever and are visible from satellite. We're trying to regenerate.
@@kirsten4896 Ditto in Ohio with the compacted clay (fragipan) from massive tractors constantly just running over the land before we bought it.
Hi Pete, I used Ellen White method for my plants because my lot has hard clay, so far I made 7 holds and planted 6 plants. I need to dig 3-4 more hold. I believe rock and pot in the 1st lay very important for the plant ( it creates electric and magnetic fields ). When I was little, I used to hear they said about dig hold put container and rock to help fruit tree healthy and produce a lot of fruits, now I am 74 years old. Another thing cookware from clay the food tastes better than metalware.
one thing you have to watch, top soil and most soil amendments you buy from a store is sterile (no micro organisms) ... i found this out the hard way when I built raised bed gardens using only store bought soil + compost ... my plants didn't do worth 10 cents the first couple of years. I've been having horrible issues with fruit trees also planted in a high density raised bed method due to my clay soil, out of 40 trees only about 12 of them are still alive their second year so I am looking for alternative ways. I am also curious of your follow up to this method.
Out of 38 trees that I planted using this method, I've only lost three trees, one to transplant shock, the other was in a pot for two years before I planted it and one died for no apparent reason and also two fig trees to a couple days of cold weather in the winter here.
I have clay site like yours, out of my 60trees, 20% died, , 12 % successful, others sick/ diseased. We are in Queensland Australia high rainfall
@@juliankong6434 since 4 years ago, I found that heavily mulching the clay helps drastically. The clay has plenty of nutrients and keeping it from drying out goes a long way to tree success. I haven't lost a tree since I started heavy mulching ... even though I haven't planted anything new since 2020 but thats because i got blessed with cancer. Currently, i have 70 fruit and nut and citrus trees, all doing well. If you let the clay dry out, it smoothers the roots and they can't expand.
Thank you so much for sharing this information, I will be giving the amendments you added a try. As far as a rock under the roots, I wish I had thought of it before planting my apple/peach trees a decade ago. We have very wet soil and when the trees bare fruit we have to anchor them with ties or they lean precariously. This year we are adding several large rocks around the tree perimeters to anchor to, would have been better to have only 1 underground.
Just a little fruitful advice: Collect as much used coffee grounds you can get from coffee shops and place around top of your planting. Worms absolutely thrive and multiply by the thousands in used coffee grounds. It really helps.
Can you give us a 2021 update on how these trees are doing now?
I’ve heard not to amend the soil in clay because you create a bucket filled with loose soil which will hold too much water. Don’t know if that’s true or not. Just amend at the top of the soil…Curious to know your results.
And couple that has planted tree by this method makes holes in the wall of the hole to make it easier for the roots to expand into the surrounding soil.
See Marie's Country Life channel. Their trees really grow using this method.
This is true, tested
loved your video, recorded your breathing - phoned my wife and played it to her, she phoned the police hahaha....
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i dig with my hand into the soil a bit, desoil the tree... sit it there, mound up with loam, spread compost, water in real good a few times, then shes on auto no plastic or bulldozers needed, the native way :)
Neandertals tend to be knowitalls....
@@beetlebayley5237 more like "over complicators" really but hey its the industrial revolution itl do that 2 ya
Great video. I am planting several apple trees this spring and will use it. I suspect that the inverted pot or ABS airspace is to prevent excessive rain from causing localized root rot. I think your mixing amendments and soil together would go easier if you did it on a small thick tarp and used as square pointed shovel. Once mixed, you slide the tarp to the edge of the hole and lift it up which pours the mixture into the hole, and then smooth . This also saves material because the tarp prevents the mixture from intertwining with the grass at the hole's edge. Kind regards. Craig
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Sure like the idea of a terra-cotta pipe rather than plastic. I'm building a site in an old-school backyard full of nutrition via no-dig and wood-chips and cardboard and chop and drop and grow anything that works for my climate. And plastic or other inorganics just don't work for me as doing things correctly and mimicking nature.
But power to you for having a wife that decided that it was time for a back-hoe. Luck or choice - You done good.
Here's what you need Pete, a cement mixer put the ingredients in and mix
Yeah we've thought about getting one but I need the exercise 🙂
How about using a small cement mixer to mix up the soil and amendments. Then is can be poured from the mixer into the hole. Or shoveled in, however you like.
Hola, excelente, el método es seguro y tiene mucho sentido, felicidades. Más vídeos así.
I have to agree with my Oklahoma friend. I live in Kansas and our place is nothing but clay and it comes up in big hard clumps. When it is dry it is as hard as rock...when it is wet, it is like walking in silly putty and climbs up over your shoes. It is a mess.
I have the same hard clay you do. My concern is that the roots will hit that wall of clay. Anyone have any thoughts on that?
If you have clay and make that hole they will die if not most of them sick. That’s what happened to mine
Very nice tractor! Love your videos. All the way from West Texas.
Thank you neighbor 🙂
Hi. I tried planting the Ellen White Method on originally a clay soil. When it rains the water stays in the the hole, it won't drain and my tree wilted. Is there any tip on how to plant it in a clay soil? Thanks a lot.
Mound it, reverse engineered going higher rather than going down. Drainage is far more important in your case. EGW planted in rocky ground that’s means drainage
@@juliankong6434 Wow, thank you. That's a perfect solution. 👍 and no digging means lesser work.
Amazing EGW planting method.
Great job
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My question is- does this not cause a balling up of the roots because they don't want to disperse for more nutrients? We're in heavy clay- and other videos stated to not add nutrients into the dug out mix
That's why you want a square hole. The roots follow the walls and end up in the corners and then hit a wall and are sent out into the surrounding soil. If you dig a round hole it can become a root ball depending what the outside soil is (if highly compacted).
God-given knowledge always works. That's botany, and soil science from God Himself. Doing this also on our veggies, but on a downscaled way.
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It is very interesting way to plantings! Thanks 🙏
You are welcome
I am thinking of buying a piece o land in Brasil to plant fruts
Another note. The orchard you buy from will also recommend that you do not add manure. Your fruit tree will not spread out it will keep a tight root system within your manurepit. lol. True though. They will be large but easily pushed over.
brother you look strong as an Ox still man. im going to be 41 and got Fat and out of shape after college sports. Im a shall of what I once was.
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Appreciate the video Pete. I hadn't seen this one earlier and will try this method the next time we plant a tree. Looks like lots of work, but if it make the tree grow faster and produce more, well worth the effort. Thanks for sharing.
I used cow manure along with chicken poo mixed into my compost pile mixed all 3 together then dug my hole using the dirt from the hole i mixed in with my manure compost mix then added some miracle grow soil to it i thought that would make for a good soil mix but since planting 2 peach and 1 plum saplings at the 20 foot spacing they recommended but they dont seem to be doing anything no buds or leaves or anything i wonder if i did something wrong or if im not being patient enough since i live roughly an hour from you was hoping you could give me some advice
If you have a bunch of trees to do that with, rent you a trailer drawn cement mixer, it beats shovel mixing any day!!
What temperature do you set the oven?
at least i found a use for my old logs :D
That’s a mighty fine tractor.
Thank you
I always heard that you need to remove large air pockets.
Hey Pete, I'm in Eastern Az. Trade ya 1 truck load of that red clay for as much sand as you'd like. I have 40 acres of beautiful almost beach-like sand. 🙂
Wow, that's a lot of sand but you can always grow water melons 😂
We could have a chain swap😂 I have 60 wooded acres of rich, black soil with lots of forest leaf mold. I was just wishing I had a patch of that clay,and the sand would come in handy too! I think the shipping costs would kill us though 🤷🏼♀️
@@grannypantsification I'd send it if I could. You're free to come right on over and get some.
Happy Sabbath
Thank you and Happy Sabbath to you also.
You also need a bottle of Johnny Walker. It will make your fruit taste better.
any updates on the 20 plus trees? I would like to see the results before I hire some locals at the 7-11 or Home Depot parking lot for the digging part.
Hello can you make an update on how are the trees doing ?
Great video
I watched this one twice, I love your UA-cam and maybe almost of your video. You are cool! . I learn a lot, I wish I live in 20 acres like you. City in Southern Ca. I got a old drawing detail of Ellen White from Yannick Van Doorne yuotube? (Yannick Van Doorne, Agronome Engeneer, Ph D., Belgian. He speak French, English,...
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I like Midday Power Surge ministry on yt. He shares Mrs. Whites writings.
Using a backhoe to dig a big hole isn't cheating, it is smart! Especially in clay.
Your soil looks like mine though you are spared the rock ledge and random rocks left by retreating glaciers.
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Bud, mix in the bucket, dump her, i enjoy watching a tractor, watching its owner dig by hand till he cant catch a breath lol, great i dea tha air pouch H culture
we just plant 2 trees following your tips.
awesome, it's a lot of work and our peach trees produced lots of fruit for us the very next year.
Great Info!!
Can you do an update of how this tree is doing using this method?
Sea Kelp. If one has a pond with aquatic plants in abundance....duckweed, water hyacinth, cattails, etc....will they supply the same type of nutrient profile?
concerning gravel, the only reason iv'e heard of is in places that have hard clay it helps with the compacting and breaking the clay soil helping the roots spread our long in the years a head.
I make my own compost! My husband bought dirt! I’d have never bought dirt b4
What how you did it?
Thank you for that info.you look tired but u dida great job but did you forget to add a pc pipe in there all the way t the rocks so water can be added threw there and the roots will go down there as well.
Thank you, yes you could add a pipe to send water to the roots if you like but the root are close to ground level already.
The reason it works, is that Ellen White believed in God and was given this method specifically by God along with lots of health and well-being gems. Not because of her, but because God is awesome.
Lmfao
God told me she did it all by herself
13:02 The rock layer added into the first part (topsoil/mulch/other additive mix) changes the current of the root system according to a study by EN Jones?
Can I use sea salt cooking made ocean water ? Thank you very much
Who is Ellen White? Does she have a gardening book?
I'm definitely doing this thanks
would love to know how this tree did, 3 years later. thanks.
My concern with this method is the leching of the plastiseals, (plastic contamination) that the tree will soak up more and more over time.
Thus the fruit becomes contaminated.
I recommend you listen to The Back to Eden Gardening by Paul Gouchey (sp) on UA-cam.
I thank you for your patience in reading this.
I think there are some plastics that will resist or approach 0 contamination, I believe the black drain plastic as well as not being exposed to air/sun will work better than the white for example. This is just a guess from some material science classes I took decades ago but I remember a plumber had to use a certain type of plastic for drinking water in my house. Then he used the white plastic for drain pipes and cold water pipes to the cloths and dish washers. Hot water was another more expensive pipe he had to use. I'm not saying it has to do with the color but the prices were different and I asked why. We forget that just a few decades ago our drinking water traveled thru lead, asbestos and copper pipes which all had side effects we didn't know about till recently. Thanks for taking the time to read as well and if anybody has more scientific info it would be appreciated.
are you going to try planting mirawackee food forest?
At least you have dirt because Florida is sandy crap. We buy so much manure and miracle grow or have to pay quite a bit for soil. What I do is at bottom of hole is to fill it full of water, let that soak in then add dirt and plant then re water
I lived in south east Florida for eight years. I remember trying to put in a mail box post and hit coral about eight inches down and if you dig much deeper you'll hit water. 😕
Using commercial fertilizers, gets washed into the Gulf, and causes Red Tide. Make compost, use wood ash, and crushed egg shells instead for plantings. Use permeable materials for driveways like crushed shell. All those pretty lawns in Florida are ruining the Gulf from commercial Fertilizers running down driveways, and streets during big storms/flooding.
Tell us how it grew
I'm guessing the science behind it is simple, that really fertile soil means faster growth. My only question I wonder about is because for trees this is basically the most important thing, ROOT System. Is it growing strong by using this method? One of the things I noticed on UA-cam is everyone seems to be planting trees shallow which seems suspect to me.
Thank you for your videos. Any updates about your trees using this method.