These Relay Coils SURE LOOK OLD - 1976 Williams Space Odyssey Pinball Repair #2 - The Mech Board
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- Опубліковано 21 жов 2024
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Great work cleaning and waxing la-machan in the last video Joe. Its not broke its clean.
The Space Odyssey name is so much cooler than Space Mission, that I would give up the other two players!
Yeah I agree!
Space Mission, Space Odyssey, Mars Trek, Freedom, Pinball Wizard are my favorite EMs. Thank you so much for carrying the knowledge forward.
what a beautiful machine!
I had a step up coil that was burnt like that on my ‘48 carnival machine. The thing tested fine. But it shorted to the mech, which was grounded. Before it blew the fuse, it put 52V through all of the lights. Boom. 40 lights dead. :) Fun times.
It craves WD-40 I can feel it! LOL Cool video!
I have a new rant i'm going to do on WD-40 and contact cleaner when I get time :)
@@LyonsArcade Cool, love rants!
It needs a cowbell!
I need more cowbell!
Don't you feel the fever?
PS -- I have no idea what a cowbell has to do with a pinball machine based on a NASA/Soviet spaceflight...
I was temporarily possessed by the Spirit of Walken!
I am amazed at how well the wiring holds up on these games. I guess not really to be honest. The wiring is loomed very well and there are super beefy solder joints. Still impressive.. Most of the damage is done by the hacks. LOL I put a c clamp on my coil.. don't touch it because it works awesome! But we can fix... DON'T TOUCH IT!!! I want a huge wooden screw clamp under my machine!! BTW I love playing both these versions. For a home I like Space Odyssey better. When you play a home game, I always play all the score reels to keep them exercised. A 4 player game can take awhile on a machine you have a lot of experience. Can't wait to find out why the ball reject is running. The constant scoring should lead you to the scene of the accident!
Wire can last almost forever, providing the insulation holds up. By the late 60's and early 70's they had insulation down pat and most of it works quite well and lasts to long haul. Unless there is a short for some reason, the wire in these machines will last virtually forever. Locked on coils are and worn out mechanical parts are the two big killers.
Hot tip: If you just want to "exercise" the score rails, just trip the 10's 100's etc relays on each player every so often just to set them off 0. All the other relays and switches are shared, so get used during a one player game anyway. When you start a new game and the rails are off 0 they will count all the way through to reset back to 0 as they don't move backwards :).
Hey Ron!!
You asked for our guesses…
One thing I noticed in the last video and in this one (that you didn't mention), is that the game starts as soon as you add a credit, it doesn't wait for you to push the start button. So there is something screwed up there and I'm wondering if that could also be causing the problem with the ball eject and score motor continuously cycling.
BTW: I love the picture in the back glass, I like it so much it's one of the background screens on my computer.
A really good video Ron! I like that you explained a lot of the various details that are good for working on any EM game. Looking forward to the next one.
Seems to me Williams put more thought into their machines...thumbs up to Williams!
They are called Chukyokenma, M Rust Eraser, Sabitoru
As I said before, I love the backglass art themed to the real-world Apollo-Soyuz Test Project, the first US/Soviet cooperative space mission. It's a blatant steal of a painting by the great space artist Robert McCall.
A dishwasher would be a good investment if doing electro mechanical pinball's LOL. Kind of like a parts cleaner in a auto shop. :)
Cool videos
Thank you Andy!
Started playing videos at 1.5 x normal speed. Some people 1.5 is too fast and you cant follow the video. 1.5x speed on this video almost sounds normal. Not sure why I like this channel, I don't have a pinball machine and am not getting one but I watch a lot of his videos.
t h a n k y o u B o b !
I have an interest in all of it - pinball, electronics, diagnostics - but for me it's Ron's voice. It's almost ASMR for me!
@@AerinRavage I watch this guy too, he repairs old radios and wears a dress while doing it.
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Looking good great job thanks
JOE CLASSIC, The lock relay closes its switch contacts when the game turns ON, when the game turns OFF the lock relay OPENS its switch contacts and this turns on the game over relay? there is a special micro switch mounted on the lock relay it seems but i don't know the name of that switch which is connected to the game over relay
Do you ever use an air hose to blow out dirt after vacuuming?
What do you think about using a SSR for the one that's always on and buzzy?
I don't know what an SSR is
@@LyonsArcade A solid state relay. Sorry.
More videos!
Use the lightest spring action possible on the lock relay so it doesn't struggle(vibrate)to hold the plate pulled in.
I agree with you that Williams is the easiest to work on. Their schematics and manuals put them over the top.
The washing of the parts is not as silly as it sounds. I have seen it done on retro computers, old Valve/Tube radios and other older electronic equipment. I would not do it with more modern solid state machines, but these old machines, as long as the coils are all dried out again, they usually work perfectly well again after.
I do love the Gottlieb game play. Always thought of Gottlieb as the king of EM Pinball, but I do admit Williams are really well laid out inside the machine. Bit of a fun fact, Gott lieb translates from German to English as (roughly) "Beloved by God"
gottlieb is definitely the king but I didn't know their name meant that, that's interesting :)
My 1000 score does not work. It looks like the relay on the back panel is "energized" all the time and the 1000 points won't register. Does it need to be cleaned.....and how do I clean it? Thanks
High pressure cleaner 😁🤣👍👍
Ron, on that lock relay, why wouldn’t they have used one of those “two-state” relays where one coil closes it and the second opens it? Wouldn’t that have eliminated the need to have the lock relay energized all the time?
… maybe those cost too much, and it wasn’t really a problem in the short term…
The only purpose of the Lock Relay is to have it open when the game has no power on it, so basically if they used two relays they would have had to turn the other relay on (with no power)... by having it turn off when the power is off, it kills the game as soon as power is applied.
So let's say you turn the game off on ball 2, you're not in game over mode. When the game is turned on, the lock relay is open, which means the switch is closed, which turns on the game over relay. That's the whole point of the thing, just to make the game come up in game over if it was stopped in the middle of a game.
you need a small air compressor and you could blow the dust and stuff out of the hard to reach area's
Best to do that outside though…
Contact is a really similar Solid State version of this...
I've had that one, I love the Williams stuff! It had a big wooden lockdown bar too...
@@LyonsArcade mine doesn't, do you know if they all originally had that?
Very enjoyable video Ronnie. …. I watched you on several versions of this machine. … I almost feel like I know it like I do my own machines. … Williams made some really great machines over the years. …. but from 1947-1978 there was only one King of pinball …. and that was Gottlieb…. I’m just saying …
I do like the Gottliebs!
always see your videos, even thoe i never repair pinballs :D
Things i wuld love, you put in your vidos
1. Find flyer, and tell us, why this was the shit, vhen it came out, acording to the flyer :D
2. tell us prize vhen it came out
3. tell us number of games played on this exact pinball
The ball seems to go down the outer lane a lot. Not sure if the game is not exactly level making it roll over that way
Hey Ron,
A guy with 1.4 million subs is trying to fix a Moonbase game.
It might do your channel some good helping the guy out.
His channel is "The 8-Bit Guy"
I should add that he is based in Texas
Crispy coils? Can't wait to see'em
Probably need some dry electric grease.
I suspect the aluminum shavings could get into the transformer and vibration could cause them to work through the insulation of the windings... but, you know.... they didn't.
Yeah that aluminum was a damn MESS
@@LyonsArcade No comments about spry electric grease? :D 😀
Seeing those shavings around all those open switches ... brrrrrr shivers.
My wife once stuck her finger into an open breaker box to point at something while she was leaning on my shoulder. I pulled her arm back and said earnestly: "Don't do that!" And she did it again saying: "I just wanted to ask..."
That was the end of our lesson for the day. And ever since.
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Hello Lil Everette!
Micro Farad!!!
It's a williams
That doesn"t sound right to me
People, do NOT put your AC power transformer in the dishwasher. Very bad idea.
You think so?
as long as it is COMPLETELY dry before any power is applied, should be fine
@@LowSpecLinuxLaptop Yeah, and how are you gonna know when it's completely dry? How are you gonna know the water didn't damage any of the insulation down deep inside the transformer? Just don't do it.
no way i would wash the old wires in a dish washer your nuts the heat would finish off the old insilation