When Your Favorite Creator Turns Out to Be Pro-Israel
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My father follows the Torah in every aspect of his life; if the Jewish faith commands it, he believes it. When I brought up what was happening in Palestine, he said something that really stuck with me:
"I don't care whose land it was thousands of years ago, I care that thousands of children are dying."
He doesn't speak English, so this is a loose translation, but it's message still stands. If you have a heart, you will denounce the Israeli government's actions.
I’m very happy that your father is on the right side of history. Just wondering, though: what language _does_ he speak?
Good on your Dad. 👍❤
Your father sounds like an amazing man.
Respect.
Well said.
It is genuinely shocking to me that saying "genocide bad, actually" can lead to getting fired, etc.
The saddest thing is that, historically, that isn't exactly uncommon.
That has always been the case in the USA.
To support Palestinian is to support queer murder. No different than supporting Trump or Putin.
My dad can be easily fired from his state job just for speaking out about this. It makes him incredibly angry and tbh scared.
@@sushiroll3795 They are a culture of anti LGBT, anti women and anti any life that is not them. They are like a small Trump nation.
They deserve no tears
As a pro-Palestinian Jewish person, who knows a *lot* of pro-Palestinian Jewish people... thank you, thank you, thank you.
Chickens for KFC
@@SHVRWKHumans for humanity.
Another pro-Palestinian Jew here ✌️
im one of those! 🇵🇸🍉
@@SHVRWK N7 Icon man is choosing Renegade dialogue options IRL
I will never get my mind around how normalized it is to support what Israel is doing, to the point where speaking out against a genocide is the controversial opinion. Humanity is so lost and I will never understand it.
Eh, wouldn't be the first time.
@@Peasham that's true. But probably so many people thought that full-scale genocide wouldn't happened now. We have internet, everyone can see the truth. People would speak up. Humanity is "better now" etc
Humanity is a little baby race.
The problem is that "it is a genocide", isnt a fact by any ruling. But jsut a talking point.
Do you think that he allied forced genocided the germans in and after ww2? Cause million more germans than gazans died by their actions.
The point is that war is dirty, civilians get hurt, when one sides whole war tactic is based on warcrimes.
@@olakeska7908 Just the "progress" lie. People right now are just as suceptible to propaganda as back then, and the methods and means of propagandizing are more plentiful now.
Star Trek’s long tradition of people who worked on the show without understanding, or choosing to forget, even its most basic themes continues
Oh hey, it's UA-camr I follow
I had a co worker once tell me "Star Trek TNG only got good after Roddenberry died and they could do cool stories ..." talk about missing the point of Star Trek
Or maybe understanding them too well. What happens when reality doesn't present any nobler motives to find or see people standing up for after all this time? Never mind a particular abundance of good guys.
@lordrex71 I'd never ever say that, but it's not a coincidence that the fan opinion on TNG gor more positive over time as Gene had less to do with the show.
To support Palestinian is to support queer murder. No different than supporting Trump or Putin.
I learnt of the palestinian genocide through a jewish man handing flyers for an association of jewish people fighting to stop the genocide, back in 2018. They were trying to educate college students on an issue we don't talk much about here and I'll forever be grateful to this man for giving me that flyer and allowing me to learn about what was going on. I don't personally know that many jewish people, but I've seen and heard so many being vocally against the genocide and israel that I refuse to believe they aren't more numerous that the zionists, and that's a thing we need to scream of the top of our lungs until it can no longer be ignored
The problem is that the non-Jewish Zionists vastly outnumber Jewish Antizionists, or Jewish Zionists, for that matter.
you think there was an ongoing genocide in 2018? whilst the number of palestinians has steadily increased for more than half a century? Jesus, these words truly carry no meaning to you, do they? It's just 'genocide is when something I disagree with is happening'...
Honestly, it's always stuck with me that back when I was barely aware of the conflict (genocide), some of the very first and most consistent support for Palestine and condemnation of the Israeli state that I heard was from American Jewish groups, and over the years since their efforts have been continually loud and pervasive enough that they're still the group I think of first when I hear about any pro-Palestine action, and I'm not even in the same country they are.
@@katharineeavan9705 unfortunately, they are still the minority, or at least an unempowered majority
Most large Jewish organizations in the US have direct ties to Israel and Zionist lobbying.
Yup.. decades of charging Israel with genocide and still Israel is not guilty of genocide.
As someone who is half Asian, I do NOT accept those "historic claims" arguments.
China has "historic claims" all over Asia, and would love nothing more than to assert those claims as violently as Israel currently is.
We do not want to open Pandora's box.
BS
Oh exactly! I live in the Philippines and China is currently attacking territories around our country. It has harmed a lot of our people, especially the working-class fishermen in those areas.
Great point! Xi always talks about TWN being "reunified" with CHN in this insidious rapist language because of the insane troll logic of "one" nation = one country, conveniently pretending the SMALL fact that most Taiwanese don't want to be part of the CPC CHN nightmare.
Yeah, historic claims to land are bullshit, unless we want to start giving land back to displaced indigenous peoples all over the world. The US would throw a _spectacular_ temper tantrum, followed shortly by Canada, Australia, most of Latin America, nearly all of the African continent . . .
Someone made an amusing satirical video about someone from Italy going to the city of Bath in England and claiming that Bath was a Roman city. You should look it up.
"You humans are all the same race. Why fight amongst yourselves? You are the last of you. Cherish it or fail. The enemy would like you to fail. Don't let them."
What’s this quote from if you don’t mind me asking?
@@Cdr2002 doing a quick Google search it looks like it might be a paraphrase of something out of the Matrix films. Probably, intending to evoke ideas of unity.
@@Dragoon91786 Ohhh ok. Thank you!
@@Dragoon91786 Given that the comment was on a video about _Star Trek_ and was written by a user called "StarTrekChimera", I was rather hoping it was a _Star Trek_ quote. What was the quote you found from the Matrix films that seemed similar?
I'm an Egyptian American trans woman who has followed you on and off for years as we have so much in common. (near same age, autism, Star Trek, transness, and public life, as I ran a non-profit healthcare center in Hawaii for years) Thank you for this. More people who look like you need to amplify this message, because when people who look like me say it, it doesn't resonate the same way.
Which obviously is fucked up because they should be listening to you *_more_* given social and historical context. Heh.... Thanks for speaking up and out.
Hey hey fellow Egyptian 🤍 sending you a whole lotta love from the Red Sea x
What Hamas did was despicable, but the response from the IDF has gone beyond that. Criticism of the Israeli government is not antisemitic. And regardless of the views of the Palestinian authority toward the LGBTQI2S community ,it doesn't mean we can't be empathetic to the plight of the people in Gaza. One would hope showing our love and support may change their views towards us, and if it doesn't, at least we know we are standing for humanity.
Matt Bernstein has a really interesting podcast episode (the podcast is called A bit fruity) on how much pinkwashing the Israeli government is doing (for example even same gender marriage is not actually legal in Israel, just as one big example) and how it's used as anti Palestine propaganda too. If you're interested I can really recommend listening to it! It's also available on UA-cam:)
"All these authority figures are fucking terrible" shouldn't be a controversial take on this one.
Honestly, I am not surprised when people are born and raised in a concentration camp after their people have their land stolen. Can anyone be surprised that some become angry and wish to fight back?
I do NOT condemn Hamas to be honest. Yes, killing innocent israeli’s is bad, BUT was it even intended??? It’s not like they targeted civilians they just responded to Israeli bombs with other bombs. Not to mention Hamas wasn’t a thing when the genocide against the Palestinians happened ( the Nakba)
@@LiN0K_Hamas is an antisemitic terrorist organisation that siphoned aid money to build their stupid tunnels instead of improving infrastructure of Gaza Strip. On 7 October they attacked first massacring civilian kibbutzes including children and took Israeli citizens as hostages. The fact that you refuse to condemn their actions says that you are antisemite who will excuse any atrocities.
Thank you for this. As a jew in a small jewish community in europe I was always taught zionism. Since this genocide started, I feel like I'm losing a part of myself, as I find myself pulling further away from my family and jewish community. But I am glad that I am able to have my eyes open. Speaking out feels scary, so the Oscar's speech was so meaningful to me. It allowed me to share how I feel; disgusted that my heritage is being used to justify a horrific genocide. I live in a country where the majority are pro Palestinian, I can't imagine how difficult it is to openly hold this stance in the US. So thank you!
You sound like an amazing human being. The world is changing quickly. You honor your family and make your offspring proud.
You are strong to break free from your indoctrination. 👏👏👏
I really wanna like your comment but 420 is such a gelreat number lol 😂😂
You have a community in all of the new Arab siblings that you’ve gained. We’re always happy to expand our family for brave individuals like yourself. 🤍
@@legendofayda as well as solidarity from muslims and pro-palestine jewish groups and orgs!
Well this one fucking hurts. DS9 criticises the exact type of propaganda the Israeli government uses right now. And to see its show runner fall for it is disappointing. I'm gonna try to see this as a warning of how effective propaganda can be, even to those who know about it, rather than a condemnation of Ira Steven Behr.
Free Palestine
Nobody is immune to propaganda, the same applies to scams and other forms of social engineering.
I'll just quietly point out that DS9 had some questionable morals, too. Like, looking back at Homefront/Paradise Lost, it can easily be read today as a warning against paying attention to threat response and doing your part in a global crisis. Sisko Sr. comes off as an anti-vaxxer today, and the episode treats his opinion as the correct one.
Right!?!? A DS9 writer!?!? So much of what is happening now is mirrored in the nuances of that show. I would understand if it was a writer from Voyager or something. ;) I kid. But wow. Really disappointing.
@@swishfish8858I don’t think of Homefront/Paradise Lost that way. There IS a delicate balance between personal freedom and social responsibility. Having ppl give blood at checkpoints is very extreme. Maybe it’s worth it, but living in a world where that was the norm would feel restrictive. Of course I’m one of the few lefties who was anti-mandate simply due to our system lacking the agility to allow for exceptions to the rules. I feel the same way about abortion. Yeah late term abortion could be immoral but when it isn’t ppl don’t have the recourse to get their needed care fast enough, and are harmed medically. So to me, in the American system we should just err on the side of personal freedom imho.
@@MsTerkup Yup; this entire comment section, for example, have fallen for the propaganda that is the 'ongoing genocide' narrative. It's honestly insane to me to witness first-hand how propaganda like this can so easily spread.
It's a simple lesson, that for some reason we have to keep relearning. Genocide is wrong.
never again means never again.
there's no genocide.
@@lubu2960 There’s no brain in your head.
@@lubu2960 If you learnt that lesson you wouldn't deny genocide so cavalierly.
@@lubu2960 there is no war in ba sing se
I hate being an adult in a time where genocide is being live-streamed and propaganda is so strong, people are having their lives ruined for the crime of not wanting innocent people to suffer. I hope to live long enough to see a free Palestine
Thank you for speaking up and speaking out. Conflating anti-Zionism with antisemitism has always been wrong, and continues to be so.
it is wrong and dangerous, and will be used as antisemitic propaganda that hurts diaspora jews.
Zionism is literally antisemitist itself
And Zionist isn’t a dirty word. It’s a descriptor. They’re trying to erase language that helps Jews against Zionism describe themselves. It’s happened on multiple times that people have called me antisemitic for simply using the world in conversation. My first thought is always that I don’t use the word for fun. I use the word out of respect for all of the Jewish individuals who are against the genocide, apartheid, and the colonial ethnostate. This is calculated. This is erasure of a movement largely made up from amazing Jewish people. Call me crazy, but I find that to be deeply antisemitic.
The blind spot that so many otherwise compassionate, empathetic & thoughtful people have when it comes to the Isreal/Palestine conflict will never cease to stagger me
It's why I can't hate them (unless they are also truly awful). Because studying politics means I understand the true effectiveness of propaganda and normalisation (an eons long tragedy). Also because I feel the hating doesn't actually help educate others it just fuels the fire and turns us on each other even more - we all need to be united. I just hope at the very least that people understand that the war is wrong and needs to be stopped - especially the IDF. I don't know how or when, but the war needs to end, the apartheid needs to end and hopefully many people can live in Palestine in peace. But I do feel it will take a while because humans don't learn until it's too late. Right now my prayers just reside with everyone suffering in Gaza. Maybe one day, war in it's whole, will be nothing but a myth.
It is mostly because of them being American or western European. People outside the imperial core have always seen Israel as a semi-fascist colony of imperialism. After Oct 7, hopefully nobody can close their eyes anymore.
That 'letter' denouncing Glazer's speech did at least show me 2 interesting things:
1. Apparently the open letter doesn't even verify if whoever signed is a professional or not, given by the fact that one of the SAG AFTRA members listed is named “Riverto Thesea”
2. The letter that IS IN SUPPORT of Glazer had more familiar and likeable names like the one and only Joaquin Phoenix
I did not get the reference of # 1 until I read more comments, "river to the sea" dang, yeah.
Tbh the only name who genuinely made me raise my eyebrows was Jennifer Jason Leigh I don’t know why but it was the one that felt weird. I look at how Steven Spielberg (who I genuinely feel is very very conflicted about everything) has only made vague statements about both sides
Joaquin Phoenix allegedly sexually assaulted women on the set of Im Still Here. In this case he is supporting a great cause but he is in no way a good human being.
@@c17sam90 Spielberg made a WWII movie about Jews that survive and escape WWII (Schindler’s List). That always felt… weird, to me, I guess. Like hopeful and aspirational and somewhat ahistorical, like it’s missing the point you’re meant to take away from the tragedy of the history and the occupation of Germany and Poland etc.
He strikes me as a guy who’s like, “I don’t want depictions of Nazism or historical Nazism as it really was in my films, but jerks in Nazi getups for Indiana Jones to punch? That’s fine”. Like it’s just bad guy aesthetic, an apolitical type thing beyond “yeaaah Nazis baaaad”.
@@andyghkfilm2287I don't think it's fair to call it ahistorical, considering Schindler was a real guy who really did save 1,200 lives. You can argue that's a drop in the bucket but it's not NOTHING.
nearly half of the victims in palestine have been children. 13,000 dead children is too far for star trek to even write about. can you imagine if DS9 did an episode where we learn that half of the bajorans killed during the occupation were kids? we'd all roll our eyes and make jokes about how that episode was too dramatic
This is false and misinformation. the Hamas run ministry of health have totaled over 30,000 dead. they do not differentiate between hamas operatives and citizens. The IDF has said that they have killed 12,000 hamas operatives.
If it were 13,000 children dead, and taking into account the 12,000 hamas operative dead, then only 5,000 of Palestinians dead are adult which does against statistics released from the hamas run health ministry of how many adults are dead.
I am sad that people are dying in Gaza, the war needs to stop and there be a peaceful two state solution, however it is never okay to spread misinformation
It’s shocking just how evil humans can be, so much so that truth is stranger than fiction.
@@tysondennis1016 My girlfriend is writing a book, and we had that discussion about some characters. You read passages with them being cartoonishly evil, and you're like "this could never happen". And then you remember that you have actually interacted with people who are like that in real life.
Quite the sobering thought.
@@witherschat Yeah, we want to believe nobody can be that bad, but it turns out, they are that bad.
It's especially ironic when he had Dukat sit in a cave with Sisko and give every excuse for and rationalization of genocide that the Israeli government has given.
And then at the end, finally breaking his kayfabe and gleefully admitting he hated the Bajorans all along, hated their pride, hated how they never broke, and how he wishes he could ho back in time and turn the planet into a smoking, lifeless rock.
And that's why Dukat "isn't an evil man."
It’s like Rowling all over again.
yeah, but Dukat was Space-Hitler and Bajorans Space-Jews
@@Josep_Hernandez_Lujan I'd say there are more similarities between the Bajoran's and Palestinian's. Bajoran's were not a stateless nomadic group united by a shared religion. Okay they were united by a common shared religion, but it didn't define them, their ethnicity defined them and the Cardassian's conquered their land and subjugated them, removing their rights based on their ethnicity. The Israeli's don't oppress Palestinian's purely on their faith, in fact they even oppress native Palestinian's who are Jewish, it's on the basis that they are Palestinian that they are oppressed. Bajoran's also were not nomadic and were occupied rather than stateless, they were still Bajoran citizens not Cardassian citizens. The more I think of it, the more similarities I see between the Cardassian occupation of Bajor and the Israeli occupation of Palestine.
In before trolls tell you that being queer and being anti genocide are somehow incompatible concepts. those people are a disaster for humanity. hope that dealing with those comments won't ruin your day.
Yeah, that was always such an infuriating thing to hear as a pro-Palestinian queer person. A lot of people just don't seem to understand that being anti-genocide means opposing genocide no matter who the perpetrators or targets are.
Genuine question, but how are the 2 incompatible? I'm not accusing you of saying this I just don't understand the connection. Most of the people I know that are pro-Palestine are queer.
@@sushiroll3795 in addition to that, Israel has already killed many queer Palestinians. Just look at Queering The Map.
@@josephspencer6375 this talking point comes from the idea that Palestine is homophobic and transphobic. It’s almost like there’s been something looming over their country for 80 years preventing social progress. I wonder that that’s about.
It also completely ignores the presence of queer Palestinians who are being murdered directly alongside everyone else.
@@josephspencer6375 Some people think it's a gotcha to call out queer people who support Palestine, and point out they wouldn't be accepted as queer if they went there.
Basically, "oh, you're pro-Palestine? Don't you realize they wouldn't tolerate you there? You must feel pretty silly for protesting their genocide now."
Between this letter and her promotion of AI Art, it's frankly amazing how quickly Tara Strong has burnt through the good will she's built up over the years...
that sizzling, popping, cracking sound you just heard was the good will she'd built up with me burning away.
so wild to see how quickly she’s fallen from grace with almost every opinion she’s voiced recently, especially since everyone had sympathy for her during the butch hartman controversy era. i almost met her at a con years ago but she had to cancel at the last minute; i’m so glad it worked out that way.
She's also an antivaxxer.
I love her VA work, and she has done performances that have meant a lot to me over the years. She was going to be at a con I was going to, and I was really conflicted about meeting her and getting a signature because of recent stuff.
Luckily she cancelled at the last minute, so I didn't have to decide.
Get over yourselves. Tara is still the same person she's always been, and she's still one of the good ones. You really thought someone publicly identified as a Jew wasn't going to support Israel? Yes, I know there's a difference between supporting Israel's right to exist and supporting the Netanyahu government, but you don't give any consideration as to what Tara actually believes. She could easily not know the difference, and so she'd be merely misinformed. That never happened to enter your mind? There's also the fact that a lot of you don't merely support the Palestinian people and a two-state solution, but some of you actively whitewash Hamas as not a terrorist organization, and even seem to suggest "Well, Israel brought it on themselves, they're the BIGGER terrorists."
In short, not all of you are as morally upright as you think. Some of you shill for terrorists or go to claim Israel has no reason to exist at all. I know, the fact that Europeans were so upset about the Holocaust and said "You should have a sanctuary, but we don't actually want you HERE" is infuriating and it would've saved a lot of strife if they'd had a place in Germany, for example. But what happened happened, and stop pretending it didn't. And remember, the two-state solution had its greatest chances at Camp David and then Taba, but between Arafat's intransigence, Barak trying to welsh on certain interim steps, and the actions of Ariel Sharon and Bibi to basically kill the process, we're where we are today.
But in short, Tara hasn't change. She's the same beacon of positivity she's always been. Same way Ellen has always been the force for good she's always been, there's nothing two-faced about her. But the Internet can't appreciate nuance, isn't interested in truth. And you are taking progressivism to a place of purity culture, and eating our own, dragging our best allies down into the gutter. I'm not a right-wing figure by any means, and I'll certainly never abandon liberalism, but the fact that the movement has been hijacked by firebrands and led by modern day Robespierres is frightening to me.
You are right, of course, that conflating 'Israel' and 'Jewish people' is a common anti-Semitic tactic. However, it's also something that the Israeli constitution does, as does the right-wing of Israeli politics (including Netanyahu and Likud). All Jewish people worldwide are considered to be Israelis, or potential Israelis, and non-Jewish people in Israel are not fully seen as Israeli (Arab Israelis, for example, are treated as second-class citizens). Ironically, as currently constituted and governed, Israel itself _promotes_ the anti-Semitic idea that 'Jews are Israel and Israel is Jews'.
she literally said this in the video lol
It’s something my partner has experienced personally. He follows Reformed Judaism and has been accused of “not being Jewish enough” or worse still compared to Jewish people who supported Hitler just because he acknowledges what’s happening to Palestinian people and doesn’t consider himself Zionist.
Likud has also used a variation of the "antisemitic dogwhistle" "from the river to the sea" in their rhetoric since 1977. Reminder that Netanyahu and his cabinet have said-openly-that they consider Hamas an ally in their attempts to deligitimize Fatah and the peace process generally.
I mean yeah, Israel is inherently antisemitic as is its purpose.
@@elgranespejo When?
The attack in October was evil, and the destruction of Gaza is evil. Hate is like a fire. Free Palestine, stop this madness.
too bad all jessie had to say on the attack is "free palestine" and then pretend she was criticized for "supporting palestine" and not for her horrific disregard for human lives when those lives are israeli.
@@MosquitoNumber13am yisrael chai 🇮🇱 Jessie gender is an antisemite and a horrible person
If anyone has to be blamed over the war in Gaza, its Hamas. IDF is simply defending Israel from Hamas
@MosquitoNumber13 you're better than this. Please don't.
@konstancemakjaveli theyre colonizers asshole what the fuck are you talking about... they started this shit DECADES ago.
Ya know what pisses me off ;
In school we learnt how terrible the Nazis were how what they did is wrong full stop
Yet here we are now as adults and it’s happening before our eyes in real time it’s so beyond me the fact that people saying Genocide is bad are facing career consequences for it I’m astounded by peoples ability to leave their humanity behind wtf
I don't think people really did learn much about the Nazis in school, I think it's because of how it's used as a political tool They don't want people to have confidence in their knowledge.
Same reason we Don't have comprehensive education on slavery
There's a lot of contributing factors here, but one of them is that a lot of people walked away from those lessons thinking that Nazism was the same thing as fascism and that genocide looks a particular way. Very few people learn much about other examples of genocide, and they think "well, they're not literally being rounded up into death camps and being explicitly called an inferior race that needs to be exterminated, so it can't be genocide!". It's even more complicated by the face that Israel's formation was in part motivated by a desire to protect Jewish people from future genocide, so the Israeli government has made this a focus of their propaganda to make them seem like the victims instead of the aggressors.
And not just "humanity" and when for the same reasons, we should all be vegan for the animals, environment and health?
For me, it's the animator and character designer for X-Men: Evolution, Steven Gordon. He really taught us thru his FB about Jewish culture and life, and highlighting Kitty Pryde as a Jewish role model.
So it's devastating to see his socials NOT commenting on the ongoing genocide and insists on supporting Israel's "defense" against Hamas. All he's posting now is just how AI is affecting artists & that's it.
It's just sad that someone who worked on X-Men don't understand the message.
Meanwhile, the episode 5 of X-Men 97 is eerily more timely than ever as what's going on in Palestine right now.
On my end, I wish us Muslims, Jews, atheists, & LGBTQ will join together in understanding each other. Wiping out an entire people based on their religion and race will not solve all the homophobia and antisemitism in this planet.
I've been watching the original 90s X-Men show for the first time, and it's honestly disturbing how timely some of the episodes feel to contemporary events. The rhetoric of the Friends of Humanity feel like they could be Republican speeches if you replace "mutant" with "transgenders" (I know that is not the proper word, but it is one that Republicans would use). And the episode that had a paramilitary Russian group invade a country that was formerly part of the Soviet Union to try to recreate the Soviet Union was disturbingly similar to what is happening in the Ukraine. I can't wait until I get to 97 because I have heard good things.
@@kylejones8289 That is the point of X-Men. They were created as a "substitution" for what happens to marginalized minorities in real life and simply to just comment on oppression as a whole. It aims to show multiple sides of it, too. Even though they are not exactly treated as human in the world, they are (I feel) the closest representation in media to human nature.
Gee… I wonder why a Jewish man would oppose a group of people who literally want him and his kind dead… such a mystery!
Hamas’s own charter literally calls for the death of all Jews.
@@kylejones8289 One of the episodes has Beast quote MLK's "Riots are the voice of the unheard" and Jubilee's Hispanic not-boyfriend coming out to his parents as a mutant only for them to whine about shareholder opinions before telling him it's okay because they have a nice big golden closet for him to stay in.
Thank you for speaking out. The narrative that if you condemn what is happening in Palestine you are antisemitic has to stop. The horrific atrocities of the holocaust cannot be forgotten, but neither can they be used as a free pass to commit genocide.
Generally people don't do that. Generally only antisemtism is called out. Also, way more atrocities than the holocaust happened to jews. Such as the russian pogroms, the russians and japanese in Harbin China, the spanish pogroms, etc. None of that makes anything okay, but just know that the holocaust isn't the only genocide against jews.
As an example, condemning the Israeli government's actions as war is bad, fine and not antisemetic.
Calling what is going on the "new holocaust", antisemetic as its literal holocaust inversion. You can critize Israel without using words for things which harmed jews.
@@Scottie-yv7et Are you misspelling Shoah or are you claiming the victims of Nazi genocide don't get to use the term Holocaust without being anti-semitic?
@@Scottie-yv7etI'm confused, the person that you've responded to never said anything about a "new holocaust." They merely stated that the holocaust needed to be remembered but not as an excuse to commit genocide.
It is beyond my understanding how the government of a nation that is supposed to represent the people who have suffered such mistreatment and atrocities for so long a time can enact these horrors onto their neighbors. The Holocaust should be a prime example why this is unacceptable. "We have known unimaginable suffering, and we refuse to make others suffer like we did" should be a default stance of the Israel's government, and yet somehow, it isn't.
@@goodpeople25 Are you referring my use of the word pogrom? Cause thos are separate events to the Shoah. I'm not saying that no one gets to use the word holocaust, all i'm saying is that holocaust inversion is antisemetic
My grandmother is an interesting person, religiously speaking. She's a somewhat devout Greek Orthodox Christian (before she got too old, she used to go to church regularly, she baptized both her kids, she celebrates Christmas and Easter and all of that) but she also has a great deal of respect for Jewish people. She's often said that Jewish people serve the same God and will go to the same heaven. (and I think that has to do with her history with fascist occupation of Greece, since she was born right before it happened and really hates the Nazis) There aren't a huge population of Jewish Greeks but she is friends with quite a few. So, I asked her what she and her friends thought of what was going on in Palestine, and she told me about how one of her friends had cried and cried when he discovered what was going on, and how it changed her entire perspective on what Israel was doing. She said it in Greek, but roughly translated, she said that if Israel truly stood for Jewish people, then why would its actions make one cry? and that's a really poetic, beautiful way to put it.
As a Jewish person, I have shed a lot tears over this genocide (though I often feel too numb to cry about it). My Jewish family and friends sit around and talk about it and the emotions in the room are so difficult. It's difficult to let myself feel what I feel when I see the horrors that are being committed "in my name"... because what does my grief achieve? How do my tears help the people who are being massacred and starved? How dare I feel the release of tears when I'm sitting safe in my home and whatever actions I can take in support of the Palestinian people feel so small and trivial?
Another feeling I'm struggling with is shame. I hate how this conflict is poisoning the way I feel about my own people. I've been so hurt and disappointed and enraged seeing what some people in my own community are willing to stand by... considering our history, the depth of betrayal that comes with seeing that some of the decedents of our ancestors are willing to commit atrocities with such terrible parallels... it hurts so much.
I also know that so many people in my community are vehemently against what is happening, and are standing up for justice. I'm surrounded by those people, and they help me feel less ashamed. But I just wish there was more I could do. I have hardly any money, not much free time, my health is bad, I have a very limited social network, my local government representatives have no interest in what I think... I do what small things I can to help but it feels like nothing... feeling powerless and knowing that these things are continuing to happen every day... my tears fall, but my tears won't stop bombs or put food in children's hands.
I'd like to think I'm decently smart when it comes to a few things, but being Italian-American and raised Roman Catholic, I am a complete idiot when it comes to how it must feel to be a racial or religious minority in the United States. I said plenty of dumb stuff when I was younger, and still do once in a while, so I try and make it a habit to listen to people actually affected by a situation before running my mouth. My best friend is Jewish, and he's been anti-zionist ever since we started being old enough to have serious political opinions. Online, all my Jewish friends are anti-zionist. Every Palestinian I follow on Twitter or UA-cam or whatever who has spoken out about the subject has used their platform to plead empathy for the people in Gaza, and I have not heard one word from them broadly demonizing Israelis, let alone Jews globally. The only hatred I have seen is the regular ethnic cleansing language used by the Israeli government. People claiming that anti-zionism is antisemitism are deeply unserious people who are either willfully stupid, using claims of "antisemitism" in bad faith to try and create moral groundwork for being pro-genocide, or both.
A devastating personal case of this for me was Regina Spektor. She had been my favorite musicians for just over 10 years (since middle school!) and her music was full of so much love and kindness, but as it turned out these feelings didn't extend to Palestinians. She says she doesn't want innocent Palestinians to die, sure, but she refuses to name their killers and just blames Hamas for everything. 10 years of investment for someone so utterly blind to the world around her... what a waste.
i was so disappointed by her too. i only owned one of her albums but i still considered myself a fan. it’s frustrating to connect with someone’s work only for them to turn on the ideals they seemed to represent.
I think it isn't a waste if you enjoyed your time with that music and it meant something to you. If something helped you in the past and it's been exposed as bad, that sucks! But you had a good time with it and that doesn't get reversed now. I enjoyed so many games only to learn that the teams that made them were abused and underpaid, I don't play them any more, but the comfort I got and the friends I made are very real.
As a wrestling fan I learned long ago, you need to separate the art from the artist. If Regina Spektor (never heard of her before, sorry) has views that are contrary to yours, just listen to the music and not to her.
@@LordLOCeh with music it depends on what they make. Not all art can be separated because the nature of art is that *is* part of the artist. From an artist, you cannot always separate. I was super in BANSHEE’s music for a while until she came out being super Zionist. She makes a lot of music supporting SA survivors. How are you going to make music supporting survivors of SA and then turn around and blame Palestinians for being assaulted? It just doesn’t work. Your music is no longer genuine. Idk if she’s still like that as it’s been a while since I’ve engaged with her content but I wouldn’t doubt it because she was pretty strong about it.
Oh say it ain’t so
Once again Pedro Pascal continues to be one of the best people in hollywood. Pro Palestine, pro trans, etc. etc.
be careful about putting a public figure on a high pedestal. they'll always do something you don't agree with. its the nature of humans.
Is he the best or does he have basic empathy
The creator and co-showrunner of TLOU is a zionist
@@sushi4864This ⬆️
he spoke out pretty late and as the first person who replied said, don't put celebrities up on pedestals, the reason why this video exists is because of our collective disappointment on how ignorant and hateful people we looked up to really are
*Sees title*
oh no
*Sees beloved voice actress Tara Strong in the thumbnail*
OH NO!!
To be fair, Tara Strong has already been shown as an asshole even before her Zionist beliefs
Yeah, that one stung too.
Same bro, same.
Tara Strong is an asshole for many reasons, but I definitely think her rabid tirade against Palestinians brought her assholery into the public consciousness.
I felt this 😭😭
Never again should be about genocide itself. Amazing how that is lost.
I always thought that it was.
@@LexYeen well for some they view the Holocaust the same way that the Germans viewed the treaty of versailles. They view it as an embarrassment and something they need to be strong to be able to never again repeat it. You can see this in how Israel treats Holocaust survivors who were forced to live on the streets and anybody who spoke Yiddish were persecuted early on. It's just unfortunate that a people who supposedly learned the lessons of the Holocaust just repeat the exact same steps that the Germans did to be able to justify doing the Holocaust
To be honest I'm severally disappointed and upset by the lack of support of/speaking out about Palestine I'm seeing from bread/left tube creators. I can count on 1 hand how many I've seen even mention this. I'm also finding people who I used to enjoy call it a war rather then what it really is. Genocide. FREE PALESTINE
It's crazy seeing leftist youtubers I once followed being dead silent on a genocide. The ones who spoke most about oppression have nothing to say when it's right in front of them
Yeah, him signing the letter is completely baffling - especially when the other lead creatives on the show literally cite Palestinians as an influence for Bajorans.
Thank you for making a video about this, Jessie. 🍉🕊✊
I agree, Thank you Jessie for bringing this to our attention, speaking out against zionism and speaking up for the oppressed.
Thank you Jessie ❤️
Thank you 🙏
Tara Strong's behavior has been such a disappointment. One of my favorite celebrities for years. I can't think about her the same ever again.
I’m disappointed by both her and Mark Hamill.
I have a red line with this now. I've lost my best friend, it hurts but it's a tiny sacrifice.
I've lost work.
I don't care. No more hero worship, no more waiting on celebrities to speak out.
Go to protests, BDS, donate to aid groups working on the ground, educate those who can be reached.
Praying for your success 🙏 This is not a topic we can "agree to disagree"
Thank you for talking about this Jessie. I hold DS9 in the same regard as you and it's so deeply upsetting to me to see Behr seemingly become an Israel apologist. I truly hope he takes the time to self-reflect. As you said, it's never too late.
And don't sell yourself short, you're doing the best that you can. It's not on you or anyone else individually to fix the world. It's on all of us working together and adding our voices.
Love you friend, keep fighting. I'm behind you, always.
Miranda
Im happy that he finally came around to the moral side. The one that fights the terror state and not the one that want to uphold it..
@@heinshaaine8153”Moral side”?
You know, there will come a day where Israel’s apologists will be seen in the same way that those who look fondly upon similar colonial projects like Rhodesia are…weird, outdated, right wing crypto-fascists.
Free Palestine
From river to sea, palestine will be free
@Sofianunes12 Just wanna make sure you're aware that phrase has genocidal undertones. I'd heavily recommend against using it.
It refers to the entire area between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea, which includes all of modern-day Israel.
Edit: Jesus, I got so much backlash for sharing a piece of historical info that can easily be verified with a basic level of research. The fact that so many of y'all responded to that by trying to throw offensive "gotchas" about colonization and genocide at me should really be a cause for some self-reflection on your parts.
@sushiroll3795 why to you does "freedom" equate to "genocide"?
@@sushiroll3795I'm sure the people fighting against Apartheid had "genocidal undertones" too and I don't care.
I keep seeing this but nobody provides any information on where or how I can get a free Palestine.
Justice and freedom for Palestine
Honestly considering how poorly Ira handled the mistreatment Terry Farrell was experiencing on DS9 (I still facepalm whenever I watch What We Left Behind and he goes “oh I didn’t know that was going on), I’m not surprised that he’s this big of an asshole
This flashed in my mind when I saw this vid’s thumbnail too 😒
Yeah, and I didn't just see that there...there's a unofficial "history" of Trek ("The Fifty-Year Mission: The Next 25 Years...") where it's also talked about and kinda glossed over in my opinion.
If you're the showrunner, you should be running the show and know things like that about your principle actors.
I'm gonna watch that right now!
so many actors and voice actors too. at least Guillermo del Toro is still cool. selling signed books for a palestinian charity right now
Fighting fascism is a full time job
Seriously tho. When will J*ws ever stop having to defend their existence?
And you’re all doing a terrible job at it.
@@jimlight5137 Says a guy supporting fascism and all the evils that come with it.
@@jimlight5137You say that while literally supporting genocide.
It is! Y’know, for people actually doing real activism in the world. Surely you’re not suggesting that your 24/7 UA-cam commenting is making a difference?
Ironically we're on path for how the early 21st century was described in Star Trek.
Your thumbnail got me... my immediate reaction was, "Oh, god dammit..." and I just wanted to put the phone down.
I felt the exact same.
Mark Hamil disappointed me supporting Israel; that said he at least clarified that Palestinian people are innocent, and spoke out when Mehdi Hasan was fired for pro palestinian views. He at least acknowledges that Pro Palestinians shouldn't be fired for speaking out.
And yet, ultimately doesn't see Palestinians as people.
@@PeashamBut did he not admit that the Palestinian people are innocent?
@@crosana01 Does he still support their genocide?
@@Peasham I don't know. I would have assumed he wouldn't if he stated that they were innocent. I generally avoid celebrity news entirely so I first heard about it in the comment section here just an hour or so ago.
@crosana01 if you still support Israel after this you support the genocide of the Palestinian people as Israel cannot exist without the extermination of Palestinians from their native lands as we see developments already happening on the gaza strip and more settlements in the west bank
it's all so exhausting seeing the absolute disregard for human life that so many people seem to have
Just because I'm afraid to directly point this out on Twitter: I don't think many people realize that Lindsay Ellis's last non-paywalled public appearance apart from book related stuff was on the last episode of Musicalsplaining where she just straight up referred to the situation in Gaza as a genocide. It was small but given that she's trying to avoid making controversial public pronunciations, the fact that even she thought that was worth saying I think is noteworthy regardless of anyone here's other feelings on her. I guess this is relevant in so far as a fav of mine turned out to be pro human rights and I’m grateful.
Back when she was on the site she refuses to name, when she reviewed The Lion King, she showed a clip of Israeli women showing off that wall (don’t know much about the state, so I’m assuming it’s the wall blocking out West Bank or something) and saying it’s to “keep the Arabs out, like the hyenas”
@@d_alistair-years I’ve always believed that she’s too hard on her early work (which is currently only available legally through her Patreon, although a lot of it is floating around elsewhere). It had its arguably problematic moments, and I’ve always had disagreements with her throughout her career, but in terms of analysis, humor, accessibility and just overall writing N. Chick was well ahead of most pop feminism of the time. I hadn’t remembered that moment but it doesn’t surprise me.
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor." - Desmond Tutu
Free Palestine
A beautiful video, thank you Jessie. The only thing I take issue with is the excuse that Ira signed the letter because he's facing pressure from the Hollywood system to bend the knee. To wit, he's already made his bones! He's already retired! He will not need to worry about where he will get his next meal from for the rest of his very full life, and yet he saw fit to cosign pro-genocidal propaganda. I have no idea why, this is just as baffling a development to me as it was to you. But still, don't let him hide behind this racist pretext.
Actually, I don’t think he’s retired, he’s still currently writing on a scifi show for MGM+ (which is apparently a thing) starring Lina Heady. But your larger point stands.
Ah, because the only reason someone would stand with Israel is because "Hollywood". Sure sounds like a conspiracy right out of The International Jew by Henry Ford. You do realize that demanding Jews pick sides and prove their loyalty was the pre-holocaust vibe, right? What am I saying - of course you don't.
Heartbreaking on so many levels. It's also galling to think of the probability that many of the people who currently back Israel have said "never again" in the past.
Little aside, that I feel like applies here. In the original Marvel Secret Wars from like 1984 I believe, there's an interaction between Captain America and Wolverine where many of the heroes, particularly the avengers, are questioning why magneto was on the side with the heroes, to which he points out everything he's ever done has been in defense of mutant kind who was constantly facing discrimination & oppression.
There's a point where Wolverine calls out Captain America for not really fighting for all people, or even all americans, because, up to this point up to this point, he's never taken up a fight alongside mutantkind. Captain America responds to that by saying "that's still no excuse for terrorism", to which Wolverine replies "Terrorist? That's just what the big armies call the little ones."
That little scene is always stuck with me because it's kind of true. It's like when America tries to justify their occupation of the Middle East for several decades with 9/11. You caused many of the problems there for decades, and you're mad when they decide to try and get their lick back? Obviously that does not justify the deaths of innocents, but why did you only suddenly care about the deaths of Innocents when it was on your side? Where was this concern for the people that were already living there that you stole resources from?
That's why I refuse to have heroes. They can only disappoint you.
Heroes are human, and all humans are objectively awful creatures. There is no such thing as a good person, period. It's literally only a matter of time before you learn about whatever awful thing the next human has done.
Anyone placed on a pedestal has very few inches of wiggle room to avoid falling off.
That's why all my heroes are fictional
While I do agree with you, fans can also be assholes, for no good reason. I used to be a content creator, and due to something that started with sexual harassment by one of my fans, and in order to avoid drama, I kept everything private, and by doing so I had people throwing me all kinds of personal attacks. I ended up quitting being a content creator over it. But I do remember telling several people, that I didn't wanted people to fan over me or my work, all I wanted was to people treat me with respect. Goes both ways.
@@galactic85 The people who created your fictional heroes are almost certainly anti-trans and/or pro-Zionist.
A line keeps coming back to my mind from the WWII-setting satire film Jojo Rabbit (a film everyone here ought to see if they haven't yet)...
When young Jojo asks his mom what some dead people in a gallows did, she replies "what they could."
I can't get that line out of my head.
I hope nobody reading this dies or gets their life ruined for trying to help, but I hope some of you will also look for ways to do "what you can" in whatever corner of life you're in.
Some of us don't have time or money or energy to spare.
You're fighting other valuable fights, or just struggling to survive.
That's okay too, take care of yourself as best you're able. There are way too many important issues in the world for any one person to reasonably keep up with all of them, and "what I can" is different for everyone. But if you are doing something or are actively planning to, thank you! 💜
I find it very interesting that a lot of the people who signed the letter condemning Glazer are a lot of nobodies and has-beens, while the counter letter has some of our brightest actors and creators, like Phoenix, Joel Coen and Elliot Gould.
Also, thank you for reminding me that DS9 is such a great TV series
Mark Hamill was one that stung. He came out as pro-Israel during October. I saw people politely push back, especially in light of him being incredibly pro Ukraine.
He doesn't seem to have changed his mind in the months since.
And that's on top of the several "accidental" likes and retweets of JKR.
Thank you for this. As a revolutionary and a Jew myself, Kira Narys is someone I see myself in. DS9 positively portraying violent direct action was amazing. To see one of its main creators condemn just such action in the case of the PFLP is disturbing. That being said, this is one more instance in which “kill your heroes” is necessary. As Anarchists, we do not look for heroes. We look for good ideas. So while this stinks, I have no heroes to be let down with. Thanks for making this Jesse
Jewish anarchism is extremely based. I'm a Muslim libertarian socialist. I agree, you can't let yourself become so enamored with a person that you forget that people can and often do betray their own ideas and principles. It's good to like people, but parasocial relationships are often unhealthy. You need to be ready to grab the good and burn off the excess
This is good advice, to look for good ideas, not for heroes.
To be fair, there's a lot of people who think they say "pro-Israel" and don't mean "pro-Netanyahu" or "kill the palestinians." I'm against Netanyahu and Hamas both. I also have sympathy to the victims of the terrorist attacks while wanting the bombings to stop.
What's different between 'pro-israel' and 'pro-netanyahou'??
Majority of Israelis actually agree with majority of Netanyahou policies,
Netanyahou and likud constantly top the polls in elections.
Seriously, what do Israelis supposedly not like about Bibi? Just that he's vulgar about the policies and intentions despite them aligning with most Israelis >
@@bothi00have you not been seeing the massive anti government protests going on over there? People hate Bibi in Israel, they're calling for his arrest! How would you like it if you were accused of supporting a genocide just because of your nationality? There are Israelis who've been opposing the government long before you even started to care about Palestine.
@UndecidedCryptid but see..why are his approvals so low? is it just the man? benny gants would literally have the exact same policies:
now let me get this straight: so hamas win 1 election in 2006, a time when half the population wasn't even born, yet that's evidence enough that all of gaza must support and like hamas and that's why so many civilians are being killed, (whats that Israeli phrase about no uninvolved civilians? that your own president espouses??). but an election as recent as November 2022 where the same guy who';s been topping the polls since 2009 once again topped the polls isn't reflective or representative of what Israelis want??
You havent even touched on the reality that most Israelis support most of netanyahu's policies and the likud platform. Literally, what do they disagree with?? where do most Israelis differ from Itamar Ben-Gvir on Palestinians and settlements??
Ya nah, find it hard to believe most Israelis don't want innocents bombed. 15000 children alone, literally 45% death toll of just children, and 11.000 more women. And despite this, most Israelis want this to continue, and even think Netanyahu isn't going far enough.
You're right though: there is indeed a terrorist state in the region.
@UndecidedCryptid literally just today, your finance minister (who also has a ministry in the department of defence) literally just said "there are 2 million Nazis in Gaza who want to slaughter rape and murder every Jew".
But sure, it's Hamas who are the genocidal terrorists 🙄
@@bothi00 I mean dude was about to be arrested for crimes when the war happened. He only got reelected by giving the extremists on every part of Parliament everything they wanted and even then was barely kept on.
We absolutely need to actively push our 'heroes' to fight for humanity. We need a community that will fight against genocide on the basis that genocide is never okay. It's never okay!
Good for you. I am Jewish, but i am against the occupation and violence against Palestinians,
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Imagine creating the bajorians, which are basically space palestinians, just to turn your back on actual palestinians because reasons
in the mind of zionists, the Palestinians are usually seen as the occupiers. Like, we effectively not know which group is which in this metaphor
I always saw the Bajorans as space Jews just getting out of the Holocaust, dealing with creating a civil society after a massive oppression. While there are sometimes references to other atrocities (comfort women, for example), the most continuous comparison was to the Post War Jewish people. There's also the frustration of how much of religious tradition to incorporate into a modern secular society in the name of preserving culture.
@user-lk7cv8vg7rThe quotes Jessie mentioned in the video suggest that most of the creators thought of the Bajorans as space Palestinians but one did seem to think/consider them to be space Jewish. Palestinians make a lot more sense given they were already there though, for it to map properly to the Holocaust Israel would have had to already exist and be occupied by the Nazis
space-jews really
Thank you for using your platform to speak out about the genocide. Much love 💜
Jessie is force for good, using her voice to stop this genocide.
cease fire now! allow aid in! defund the IDF!
@15:00 you give to much credit to Joan. I hated Joan's work as soon as I got the house elves story line. and I did feel the goblin bankers tipped her hand. What Joans work did show me was that even bad people will write stories of karma and "the little guy" doing well because thats how they see them selves. Joan was just a bad writer who got lucky. her first book as okay, but they got worse as they carried on
Oh for sure. I’ve talked about that elsewhere, her books are littered with signs that point to her white feminism and elitism. But the base message of the books is (surface level to be fair) anti fascism, something she seems to not understand.
4:54 I'm glad somebody finally said it, I'm exhausted from typing this information into the box, often it just conveniently disappears from the thread a little later on. Now I can just link to the timestamp. Thanks.
Jessie, your wonderful moral and ideological consistency is great to see. I was so disgusted by so many who I thought were good people. Nice to know that my favorite anarchist isn't one of them.
Jonathan Glazer wasn’t misinterpreted. He was brazenly lied about. Nobody misconstrued such a clear and explicit message. They knew what they were doing was dishonest. It’s not a misinterpretation. It’s a lie.
tara strong being a zionist is soo disappointing especially after she voiced rikku, an al bhed, in final fantasy 10 :( the whole story of rikku and her race is about how the al bhed were constantly oppressed and how their ‘home’ was destroyed by yevon
Another Ironic role of hers is the X Men Character Dust in Wolverine and the X Men (a Muslim Character who debuted in Grant Morrison's New X Men run in the early 2000s).
As a Jewish American who loves Star Trek and condemns Israel, I say: Bravo. I couldn’t have said it better.
Two things: first i'm glad this topic is being adressed its extremely important to be talked about on the recent geopolitical situation of our world, second of all, Jess i love you but i'm glad its not a two hours video😅
Awww but the 2 hour videos are the best
Thank you for this. It's always a heartbreaking thing to see many a creator/actor I've enjoyed turning out to have ulterior motives. Regardless, it's still ceasefire now and forever.
I am ticked about this whole discussion for many reasons. As horrible as what is happening in Gaza is, there are far worse things happening all over the world right now that don't happen to be on TikTok. Everyone is screaming about Gaza, but more than 45 armed conflicts are currently taking place throughout the Middle East and North Africa in the following territories: Cyprus, Egypt, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Morocco, Palestine, Syria, Turkey, Yemen and Western Sahara. Syria is the most affected country in the region. Several multiple and overlapping conflicts are taking place in the country - involving numerous armed groups who fight against the government and against each other -, along with two military occupations and three international armed conflicts
Africa comes second in the number of armed conflicts per region with more than 35 non-international armed conflicts (NIACs) taking place in Burkina Faso, Cameroon, the Central African Republic (CAR), the Democratic Republic of the Congo, Ethiopia, Mali, Mozambique, Nigeria, Senegal, Somalia, South Sudan and Sudan. Several armed groups - fighting against government forces and/or against each other’s - are involved in these conflicts.
Asia is the theatre of 19 non-international armed conflicts (NIACs) involving 19 armed groups. These are happening in Afghanistan, India, Myanmar, Pakistan and The Philippines.
Two international armed conflicts - between respectively India and Pakistan, and between India and China - are also taking place in the region.
But, because none of these are on TikTok getting live streamed, no one in America gives a damn.
Russia is STILL waging war against Ukraine as well! Why is no one still outraged about that?
Because China is an ally of Russia, China owns TikTok, and China wants you all focused on Israel and ignoring what Russia and China are doing right now.
Yes, absolutely protest Israel's actions in Gaza and rightly so. BUT, also don't take your eyes off of the real powers in the world and what they are up to. They are using your distraction to take over places without you noticing.
I'm walking a thin line with my bad mental health at the moment of trying to stay informed and keeping myself safe from self harming behavior. And while I wouldn't dare to explain what is going on to someone else not knowing it, I know one thing for sure:
Attacking and killing innocent civillians is morally wrong.
Full stop.
From what I heard, Israel's military does not care if they bomb schools, hospitals or even refugee camps. These are not the actions of someone defending themselves from a threat or trying to find the hostages and get them back alive.
I'm all for countries who get invaded and attacked, that they should be able to defend themselves against an aggressor to keep it's own people save. But killing innocents in masses is no self defense!
And I don't understand how this is a controverse standpoint to take.
>from what I've heard
Lol, lmoa even.
@@thewizard1 Don''t be a dick. Some of us are burnt out and depressed, so are avoiding actual footage of children dying. That doesn't mean we're unaware of Israel's genocidal campaign. Can't believe we're back to right-wing debate bros asking for pics of us viewing primary sources of every atrocity or it didn't happen and we can't have an opinion.
@@thewizard1if you don't have anything productive to say, then shut up
@@squirrelgadget3498 what I've said is pretty productive ngl
@@thewizard1 no, what you said came off as pretty rude and didn't add anything to the conversation
I've never been this early to one of your videos before. It feels... alien.
I have been against the Israeli government's brutal actions since the 6 Day War in 1967.
I refer you to Miko Peled and Breaking the Silence for how Israelis actually feel who are not allied with Netanyahu.
As for Star Trek it always surprises me when creatives don't hold the same positions as their scripts or characters do. Perhaps it is time to remember that these are actors who play many roles that they may not personally agree with.
It is upsetting to find that people you admire don't hold the values you thought they did but hold to the Star Trek values yourself.
BTS is such an important organization!
As a Russian and Israeli citizen - so a person responsible for at least two recent genocides personally - I thank you for this video, deeply.
You are not the responsible one. Don't guilt yourself of genocides just because you're a russian and israeli:/
This must sucks so much for you to be have to be pissed about that on two of your governments and armies...
You aren't responsible for the actions of your awful governments. Please don't think like that.
@@sushiroll3795 thank you so much. I still feel they do those atrocities in my name and it makes me complicit. Not as guilty as Putin or Bibi and their cronies, but not innocent in this. But I do what I can to pay my dues
First video I've watched from you since hearing you get mentioned by a few other creators I watch. Small as your platform may be, it is always a move in the right direction to use what power and popularity you have in the name of the greater good when you can. As far as I'm concerned, it definitely puts you ahead of the curve and makes you alright in my book.
I recently resigned in protest from a Star Trek roleplaying group and fan club based in the Second Life metaverse because of the culture of bullying, bigotry, favoritism and other forms of prejudice that I have seen developed over the nearly 15 years of me being a member there.
It was a painful decision, made so by the fact that group leaders subjected one of their own to what could be amounted to a lenient penalty compared to how they have treated others for the same, all the way down to even alleged less infractions. My friends that are of and supporters of the LGBTQIA+ community no longer felt safe in that group. But seeing that group leaders did not take into account the wellbeing of other members, it made my decision to leave very easy.
It’s tragic that despite Star Trek going strong for nearly six decades, there are still those who miss the point of it all.
I'm a massive DS9 fan and when I saw the thumbnail with Ira Steven Behr, my heart sank. 😒
Well, I feel like a moron now. But it's been a growing process with me. I unironically thought Israel was trying to fight Hamas and that Hamas was using innocent people as shields. I thought there was this huge anti-Semitic problem where people were trying to justify Hamas and what they did, what they have been doing for years. I was disgusted and appalled, but nobody has explained the conflict to me like this before. I appreciate you opening my eyes and I hope one day I can be forgiven for my misunderstanding.
We've all been there, there is a huge anti-Semitism problem that has really fucked up our country and others So it's hard to even talk about this stuff.
Israel is trying to fight Hamas, and antisemites are trying to justify Oct 7, which is why they say rape is resistance.
I completely get it. I live in America, and in high school, I was taught that Isreal was the benevolent side of the conflict and that Palestine was irrational and refused peace. I'm not exaggerating. It was part of the curriculum, and not just some random teacher pushing their views. It's not common sense, and these people are actively being suppressed and of course, the oppressor narrative is what permeates.
Thank you for your courage and for sharing your thoughts, even at personal risk. I wonder if we could be proactive and see if we could get a pro-Palestine letter signed by the trek community. I’m personally bewildered and disappointed at George Takei’s silence, given his own personal experience in a concentration camp as a child though I know that’s a painful memory.
That could maybe work. I would sign it
You should do a video on the genocide and famine in Sudan 🇸🇩 nobody seems to even care about them what so ever. It’s like everyone forgot about Darfur once it wasn’t popular to talk about anymore
Why should she do that? If it's not the Jews it ain't news
And that's the sad truth.
Genocide is wrong no matter which side it's happening to and I can't believe some people think saying that is somehow antisemitic.
thank you for always standing up and speaking up
This is the sort of thing that reminds me of your courage and character Jessie. Not that it drifts...
I can see how hard this was to make for you. The edits and tremble in your voice at times show me how strong you feel about this. And how close it is to you, being of an identity that many would want to exterminate.
You inspire me, and i thank you. Your voice carries farther than you think.
He wasn't my favourite, but I used to watch a lot of David Pakman, because I trusted him. Then he went all out for the invasion, and I had to check out.
The Pakman situation is... Disconcerting.
I checked out of Pakman before October but somehow it doesn’t surprise me that he went that route… Still disappointing but it kind of adds up.
It's beyond me why anyone would want to watch Pakman to begin with...
1. His content is quite honestly, boring.
2. He has the insane paranoia that UA-cam is plotting against him, and keeps making dumb videos how UA-cam is out to get him, making ridiculous conspiracies about it.
3. He allows himself to be sponsored by dubious products/companies. I understand that he has bills to pay, but there is a red line...
4. I didn't even need to watch Pakman to know he would be zionist or pro-Israel. It's on brand.
POV When one of my favorite creators turns out to be a Palestine-suppoter and an absolute smart&cutie (I like Jessie Gender)
Now to be real. Everyone, think about this, for every creator you like that turns out to support the Zionist genocidal project, take a moment to mind, support and connect with the creators that are doing the opposite and making a good change in this world. All love for Jessie, all love for the artists4ceasefire.
Wouldn't making Palestine an acknowledged nation and member of the UN a better long term goal as the threat of bigger guns is at least theoretically applied equally.
I just rewatched DS9 because I've been wondering about the alignment with what's been happening in Gaza. I cannot wait for you to release your video and hopefully book about it. I appreciate you SOOOO much, Jessie
I am so glad most people I admire,you including you, are speaking against genocide, even if it hurts their careers
I cannot tell you how much or how hard my heart broke hearing this about Ira Steven Behr.
.....fuck.
Thank you Jessie 💜
Much respect to you, Jessie. I don't have other social media, I only saw your community post, so I'm heartened to know that you've been so vocal about this. Like everyone, I've been disappointed by creators I admire staying silent, but I'm also encouraged by creators I admire who speak out. Thanks for being one of the latter; it's so appreciated.
Thank you for speaking out its so important ❤️ I still hope for peace every day
Thanks for this, I too was shocked by this.
Thanks for speaking up on these issues, Jessie.
And thanks for reminding me about so many great Kira moment of DS9, I haven't watched the full series in a long time and it gives me an itch to do so.
Ty Jessie, appreciate everyone continuing to speak out about this issue. Free Palestine ✊❤
I'm Israeli, and a leftist. I'm areligious now, but I was raised fundamentalist Orthodox Jewish, in a community that is fervently Zionist. To this day I am still finding loose threads and lies to unlearn as I try to become a more compassionate person. I actually had to wait a few days before watching this video because I just... only have so much energy to stomach even more tough ideas when I'm literally surrounded by propaganda 24/7 and have been for six months. It's exhausting to fight back, constantly, to try and outmaneuver my own government. x . the genocide is inexcusable; no genocide is ever excusable. It's characters like Kira Nerys and Ambassador G'kar who have helped me open my heart to those who are 'other'. And really, Israelis and Palestinians are not so different. x. In theory, "existence is resistance", the fact that I refuse to bow down or to curl up and die as a trans, leftist Israeli is already something, but I feel so much guilt for not doing more.
I am sorry for the difficult cognitive process you're going through right now. I think it's hitting Israel right now, because Israel is a relatively new country (only 76 years old), whereas other Western colonialist nations, like the US, like Australia, like most of Western Europe, have been oppressing and condemning other nations across the world, for decades and even centuries. Israel is not alone here. Many other nations have a litany of sins against their name. Germany, for instance, has quite rightly had to grapple with their forefathers' role in the Holocaust and murder of 6 million Jews, so, please do not feel that it is only Israel that has blood on its hands. Jews have been historically sinned against far more than they've sinned towards others. Alas, however, it is Israel, a Jewish nation state, that is perpetrating acts of mass murder right now, which is emphatically NOT to condemn the Jewish diaspara or even all Israeli Jews.
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I just don't understand how people can have so little empathy
I do have empathy, plenty of it for both Israeli and Palestinian victims. Do you?
Every voice is important. Suffering from innocent people is and will ever be wrong. Children should have a right to grow up in safe environments.
Very well said, Jesse. Thank you. Bang on. x