No matter if you bought your clouds or are building your own, we hope this video helps you safely install your clouds in your studio. If you have any questions for us or Graham, leave them in the comments below 👇
You forgot to mention that a greater airgap improves absorption in the 125 to 500 range and cuts it a bit in the 1000 to 3000 range precisely what's wanted to avoid a dead room in the 1000 to 5000 range.
Use a magnet to find the drywall screws. The screws will be drilled into the "center" of the WALL STUDS and CEILING JOISTS. Mark a few of the screws on consecutive studs or joist to show the framing layout, i.e. 16 inch or 24 inch spacing. It is very important to know the lay before installation.
Makes you wonder how these guys hace a business doing this professionally... When he's said start drilling multiple holes till you find the "studs". I was like what! Sure the room sounds great now, but sorry for the Swiss cheese! ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@davidevans1420H-resos would only be used to supplement naturally attenuated frequencies in the room. Traps would be used to soak up standing waves, tuned to the problem frequencies.
I enjoyed the video; very informative. I haven’t installed a cloud (yet) but have hung a lot of drywall and would highly recommend renting a drywall lift. It’s inexpensive and makes the task an easy one-man job if you don’t have any help.
If you have plaster and lathe you can easily use some toggle bolts anywhere! You do not need to find the "studs" (I think the term this dude meant was joists). As long as you are using toggle bolts rated for the weight of the panels, also making sure you are looking at their horizontal (not vertical) rating, and you line the wings up to grip onto the lathe boards you are going to be more than okay in terms of holding power.
I have an old house and for some thing like that that’s not super heavy I don’t bother insisting on going into a stud or a joist. If I hit one great, if not I just use a toggle bolt which works just as well for almost everything.
Another attachment option is to use a spring at the turn buckle. This will give the cloud a little more resiliency, i.e. allow it to float a bit when hit with louder sound pressure. The spring can be (probably should be) placed inside of a rubber tube to dampen its tendency to "sing". The spring can be used with a turn-buckle or can replace it. Different spring lengths can achieve the angle you desire, and springs will self level. I haven't measured the difference when using springs vs turn-buckles alone, but it would most likely affect the lower end of the spectrum.
This was very educational thank u for the insight and btw I love your products they're so great. 😁 First time I heared an A7x my ears tingled with joy...💛💚
Great video! A more in depth video than the majority here. I really enjoyed it. However, I have to be “that guy”… The “studs” in the ceiling are called joists. A ceiling joist. Similar to a floor joist but in the ceiling rather than the floor. Studs are for walls. Thanks for the video!
How important it is to drill holes according to the joists? Would the clouds fall down if I simply hang them without worrying about finding the joists?
Nice! I loved the part of the tutorial where you teach us how to turn our ceiling into a cheese-grater.😂 No, really, cool video, most of it is basic common sense but you show some good tips.
Nice Video. What do you use for insulation for clouds? And due to insulation weight and the fact they are upside down, how does fabric support weight ?
Hi DerHova! For any other information, you can contact Music City Acoustics, they´ll be happy to answer your questions via this form www.musiccityacoustics.com/contact-us
5:13 I feel like I've heard somewhere that you don't wanna sit in the center of your room, and also I've definitely heard a lot about the 38% rule. So should you sit in the center or about 38% into the room?
Hi @kennylux! That´s right, an ideal listening positioning would be in the center between the left and right wall and about 38% into the length of the room.
What I've often wondered recently with clouds, is why there isn't something like a set of boom-mike style heavy duty stands that could be placed in the room's corners, that then interlock & criss-cross above you? Like a sort of scaffold cradle, if that make sense. Then you could hang clouds from that, instead drilling through the ceiling A complete non-destructive way of doing it. That would make it a lot easier and means you can put them up in any space, without having to worry getting permission etc. I'm surprised that doesn't seem to exist, from what I can tell.
Hi Oliver, sounds like a great idea but the stands would have to be like small cranes and be incredibly heavy to counterbalance the weight. I'd love to see something like you're describing though!
Hi Sebastian! No. Acoustics panels / clouds are intended to fix the room acoustics (the inside sound) but are not working as soundproofing. Your sound would still go out and the external will come in. If you don't want external sounds inside your room, you'll need to soundproof all the walls, ceiling and floor.
Might be a silly question but... I'm a drummer with a small finished basement (8ft ceiling/lots of corners) and do not plan on recording. All of the acoustic help pages I have visited imply this is for recording purposes so I'm having a hard time understanding if this would benefit me in any way. I'm all for making my set up sound better, but for the investment (time & money) would this be worth any LIVE sound improvement that I might get out of it?
If you don’t plan on recording then the amount of acoustic treatment would be up to you. But, yes, treating your playing space would help make you hear your instrument with minimal reflections. I had an unfinished basement with just block walls. I section off a space with a cheap moving blanket curtain I made with a cheap cheating track from Amazon that has clips I clipped to the moving blankets making a curtain. I also bought a 6 pack of 2” OC703 insulation, made 6 2” panels, and hung them in my space. My partitioned space was about 13’x15’ but the entire basement was about 34’x50’. To “treat” the rest of the basement I set up stacks of big empty cardboard boxes to act as acoustic panels. It made a significant difference to how the overall kit sounded compared to the big empty cement block space I was working with. Especially with the high-end like cymbals and hats. I did nothing to the ceiling which was mostly bare floor joists but my area did have a dilapidated tile ceiling which I did not treat. The floor was bare concrete and my kit sat on a thin rug. At the end of the day, I thought it sounded good to my ear. Considering your basement is finished, I’m assuming it has drywall, trim, doors, and a floor covering be it hardwood, laminate, or carpet. If so, your already most of the way there. If you have carpet, your entire floor is already pretty much “treated” for some mids and a lot of highs. And, beyond going into a legitimate sound proofing situation, you’re only really going to be controlling some mid and a lot of high frequencies. Luckily, for a non recording situation, that’s about all you need to treat for. Like I said above, in your situation you would just be treating to tighten up your rooms sound to your ear. Again, I don’t know your spaces setup but, it never hurts to put up some acoustic panels just to tame those mids/highs. As a quick experiment, to witness the effects of some simple acoustic treatment and to see if investing in a more professional solution is right for you, you can collect a lot of clothes from your home and hang them up and around in your space. A bunch of clothes hanging up is actually rather good acoustic treatment for some mids and a lot of highs. If you notice a positive effect, then you’ll have a better idea on what you need to do with your space to make it more pleasant to play in. Good luck man!
So do you perform live in your basement or do you use speakers? If it's the former then you should be good without any treatment, if it's the latter I suggest you do some research on room acoustics and make an informed decision. Yes, treatment can make a room drastically sound better, but it can also make things sound worse. Generally, the ceiling is a good place to treat due to it being a source of very early reflections. You want to balance the clarity and dryness of your room when treating it. Usually trapping bass and diffusing mids and highs is a good idea. I suggest thick broadband absorption and no foam whatsoever.
those look nice... so, don't go around drilling 5 holes to find a stud. use a magnet to locate the screws (neodymium ones work great) and mark the locations. use fixture chains for anchoring (small chains for suspending lights). it's cheaper and offers greater flexibility w/ positioning...
Hello! Can you help me. Can't find info around net. So can i made ONE big cloud ceiling panel instead using 3 as in the video? And why you have gaps between 3 panels (i'm not about ceiling gap). Thanks for answer!
Hey! So glad to hear you enjoyed the video. In general yes! The air gap will always be beneficial. In our testing we've found using denser materials beyond 10 or 12 inches can start to do some weird things, so for our deeper custom bass traps we'll use 10" of mineral wool sometimes 30" off the wall, and then fill the remaining space with fluffy insulation.
Hi! My celling is 8 foot from the floor, and my main issue in my room right now is at 100 - 200hz . Is it ok to mount a 2" lets say 4" away from the celling? I know there is a compromise but that 100 - 200hz region is so anoying. thanks
Hi J! When dealing with a room with very high ceilings, like 12 feet, there are several factors to consider when deciding between using acoustic clouds or installing acoustic treatments vertically on the walls. Both options have their advantages and disadvantages, and the choice depends on various factors, including the room's acoustics, aesthetics, and intended use. Acoustic Clouds: -Suspension: Acoustic clouds are typically suspended from the ceiling and hang horizontally. They are designed to absorb and diffuse sound reflections from the ceiling, creating a more controlled acoustic environment. -Sound Control: Acoustic clouds are effective at reducing ceiling reflections, which can help improve speech intelligibility, reduce echo, and enhance the overall acoustic quality of the room. -Aesthetics: Acoustic clouds can be designed in various shapes and sizes, making them visually appealing and allowing for creative design options. They can also be customized to blend with the room's decor. -Flexibility: They are relatively easy to install and can be adjusted to different heights, making them adaptable to various room configurations. Vertical Acoustic Treatments: -Wall-Mounted Panels: Vertical acoustic panels installed on walls can also effectively control sound reflections, especially those coming from the walls themselves. They are often used to address early reflections, which can improve the listening experience and reduce acoustic issues. -Aesthetics: Wall-mounted panels can be designed to complement the room's decor, and they come in various styles, colors, and materials. They can blend seamlessly with the wall or serve as decorative elements. -Functionality: Vertical acoustic treatments can address a broader range of acoustic issues beyond just ceiling reflections. They can help with flutter echoes, standing waves, and overall room acoustics. -Installation: Installing vertical panels on walls may be easier and more practical in some cases, especially if the room's ceiling is very high and difficult to access. The choice between acoustic clouds and vertical acoustic treatments depends on your specific acoustic needs and design preferences. In a room with very high ceilings, you might find that a combination of both approaches is beneficial. For example, you can use acoustic clouds to address ceiling reflections and vertical acoustic treatments on the walls to control other acoustic issues.
If you use three clouds, wouldn't it be hard to cover the first reflection points? I am about to install the clouds but if I use three, the first reflection points are like right in between the panels (at the gaps of each panel).. is this okay? I thought of using just two but three would be better in abosorbing low end the low end? Thanks for the great video
Great video, very helpful. At the end of the video you mentioned angling the rear of the cloud upward if wanted. Is there a reason someone might do that or is it just cosmetic?
I have a fan in the centre of the room (presently in Goa, India). It's usually off, since I installed A/C for the gear. How to deal with the metal reflections and the mass of the fan removing the ability to cover the absolute centre?
Brilliant video, thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to make these videos.A lot of work has gone in to all your videos. Super helpful.. I would ideally love to see some before and after measurements . Do you you use the same density mineral wool for the cloud diffuser as the wall hanging ones? thanks
I'm a little shocked a stud finder wasn't used before randomly drilling till you hit one. That seems like a highly amateur move, honestly. For anyone watching, use a stud finder instead of just drilling holes till you hit a joist.
Hi Clint, as Graham mentioned, the ceilings were all plaster and a stud-finder didn't work in this application. We certainly wish it would have worked as well!
2:55 is completed nonsense... and allready busted. do your homework..... reality is airgap max 50mm everything above... does not work in reality, only in theor...
@@studiosingyourstyle any angle, as long as it’s not parallel with the floor. I imagine the steeper the greater effect on low end, but may be negligible
Seems none of the acoustic treatment videos are scientific in nature nor measured in results. There is no discussion about which treatment (thickness or material ) controls what frequency by how much or how much for example an air gap improves/dampens with metrics not assertions. Also, while guilford of Maine acoustic fabrics are acoustically transparent, not sure why that is a benefit in a dampening situation. Non transparent fabric would be contributing to the dampening right? Guilford of Maine fabric is definitely attractive in appearance fabric in any case.
I agree these videos are usually light on science and citations. While I am all for treating ceilings, room treatment should definitely not be embarked upon without prior research and measurements, it's very far from all cure all.
You want acoustically transparent fabric so the sound waves can pass through it and be damped by the material inside the panel. Non-acoustically transparent fabric would reflect higher frequencies.
I don't believe those panels aren't going to absorb that much below 125hz and for floor to ceiling problems. With 7ft to 9ft ceilings, you are going to have Axial modes in the 65hz to 75hz range, so those panels are NOT going to treat those low frequencies. There are panels that will absorb down to 65hz, but they are more like 7inch thick and they use 6inches of open cell foam with a perforation panel in front. The issue with acoustics is finding the right type of treatment, how much and placement. First you have to conduct measurements to figure out the nature of the problem and then pick the right type of treatment and then calculate how MUCH treatment you'll need and where to place them. The panels in the video may not actually treat the floor to ceiling problems in that room.
i would be livid if you drilled 40 holes in my ceiling man come on, it's not that hard to find studs. if you cant knuckle knock a stud then put down the power drill.
They're not studs in the ceiling, they're joists. the fact this guy doesn't know the difference does not inspire confidence. I also watched him construct a panel in another video. The quality of construction was amateur at best. I honestly don't know why ADAM Audio would want to be associated with this.
Brah, don't be one of those woke critters that wants to change the definitions of words. Verical framing are studs. The horizontals are joists. The angled boards in a vaulted ceiling are rafters. You'll sound a whole lot more professional when consulting with contractors and architects.
hello, I am building an acoustic panel, i build the wood frame and stuff with rock wool sound insulation. HOWEVER, i use vapor barrier to wrap the whole thing, not the fabric which you use here. AND i find out the panel wont help too much, is it because the vapor barrier wont absorb the sound? it block the sound, which make my acoustic panel useless..And i have to use fabric to wrap. Thank you
No matter if you bought your clouds or are building your own, we hope this video helps you safely install your clouds in your studio. If you have any questions for us or Graham, leave them in the comments below 👇
I just got an email that I won !!!! Thank you !!!!!!
@Kunchang Lee Thank you for watching & entering! Hope they serve you well for years 👍
@@ADAMAudioBerlin man made my day !
Tell your friend you can use piano wire to poke check for studs instead of drilling. 👌
You forgot to mention that a greater airgap improves absorption in the 125 to 500 range and cuts it a bit in the 1000 to 3000 range precisely what's wanted to avoid a dead room in the 1000 to 5000 range.
Use a magnet to find the drywall screws. The screws will be drilled into the "center" of the WALL STUDS and CEILING JOISTS. Mark a few of the screws on consecutive studs or joist to show the framing layout, i.e. 16 inch or 24 inch spacing. It is very important to know the lay before installation.
I've been building for years, love magnets (yeah, I know..) and I've never thought of that. Thanks!
Makes you wonder how these guys hace a business doing this professionally... When he's said start drilling multiple holes till you find the "studs". I was like what!
Sure the room sounds great now, but sorry for the Swiss cheese!
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Very helpful
or just use a stud finder.
Studs are in walls. Joists are in ceilings. Joists are often 24 inches on center.
Great point, thanks for clarifying!
By the time you get through drilling the ceiling, perhaps you could also build some Helmholtz Resonators... LOL
@@davidevans1420H-resos would only be used to supplement naturally attenuated frequencies in the room. Traps would be used to soak up standing waves, tuned to the problem frequencies.
Well made video, very very helpful. Thanks so much!
Guys: Studs are in walls.... Joists, rafters and trusses are in the ceiling;-)
No… Studs are in my bedroom 😏
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Hi. No one gives a shit.
I enjoyed the video; very informative. I haven’t installed a cloud (yet) but have hung a lot of drywall and would highly recommend renting a drywall lift. It’s inexpensive and makes the task an easy one-man job if you don’t have any help.
fantastic presentation he knows his stuff
Thanks for watching!
If you have plaster and lathe you can easily use some toggle bolts anywhere! You do not need to find the "studs" (I think the term this dude meant was joists). As long as you are using toggle bolts rated for the weight of the panels, also making sure you are looking at their horizontal (not vertical) rating, and you line the wings up to grip onto the lathe boards you are going to be more than okay in terms of holding power.
If the joists are parallel what is the advantage of using the strips? Awesome video BTW. Great stuff.
This should totally get more likes
Thanks Sahil 👍
perfect timing! building my own studio right now
Best of luck & thanks for watching!
hello ! thanks for the video, it's super useful but i can't open the guide
I have an old house and for some thing like that that’s not super heavy I don’t bother insisting on going into a stud or a joist. If I hit one great, if not I just use a toggle bolt which works just as well for almost everything.
Do you need diffusers too?
Excellent job! You guys ROCK!
Thanks for watching, Zoran 👍
Awesome video! Thanks for posting quality stuff
Thanks for watching, Isaiah 👍
Another attachment option is to use a spring at the turn buckle. This will give the cloud a little more resiliency, i.e. allow it to float a bit when hit with louder sound pressure. The spring can be (probably should be) placed inside of a rubber tube to dampen its tendency to "sing". The spring can be used with a turn-buckle or can replace it. Different spring lengths can achieve the angle you desire, and springs will self level. I haven't measured the difference when using springs vs turn-buckles alone, but it would most likely affect the lower end of the spectrum.
Hi @JRandallS! Thanks for your comment, that sounds interesting!
This was very educational thank u for the insight and btw I love your products they're so great. 😁 First time I heared an A7x my ears tingled with joy...💛💚
That's so great to hear! Glad you like our speakers, Naileo. 🙌
Great video! A more in depth video than the majority here. I really enjoyed it. However, I have to be “that guy”… The “studs” in the ceiling are called joists. A ceiling joist. Similar to a floor joist but in the ceiling rather than the floor. Studs are for walls. Thanks for the video!
How important it is to drill holes according to the joists? Would the clouds fall down if I simply hang them without worrying about finding the joists?
@@axel.lessio It would be recommended to get Toggle Bolt Anchors if you're planning to place the hooks through the drywall.
Nice! I loved the part of the tutorial where you teach us how to turn our ceiling into a cheese-grater.😂 No, really, cool video, most of it is basic common sense but you show some good tips.
At least it is the small hole side of the cheese grater. Glad you enjoyed the video!
😂 Thanks for watching, Marcel! You could say the tips were... gouda. We'll see ourselves out.
I was picturing Swiss cheese...
Do you have any tips on where to find some details for ceiling clouds WITH LED lights (and vent grill) built in to them?
Hi Gregory! You can check online retailers, acoustic solution providers, or custom manufacturers.
Great video!! Thanks guys!!
Thanks for watching, Ray!
What if your only light source is a cloud light in the middle of the ceiling?
thanks for the math lesson. maybe more about the acoustic science and where to place them.
Hi @pbm863! Thanks for your comment. Do you have anything specific in mind? We'll try to cover it in a future video. Best greetings from Berlin!
Nice Video. What do you use for insulation for clouds? And due to insulation weight and the fact they are upside down, how does fabric support weight ?
Are 2" ceiling panels useless? And are more clouds better than just one above my head? )
Hi DerHova!
For any other information, you can contact Music City Acoustics, they´ll be happy to answer your questions via this form www.musiccityacoustics.com/contact-us
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR MAKING THESE! Definitely helps with this new room for the studio! Im excited to start building
So happy you enjoyed it!
very useful , thank you so much
Thanks for watching 👍
When you install these clouds, make sure to also install some umbrellas too, for when it starts raining.
Hi @dragonstone6594! Good point, why is that never mentioned? 🤔😄
Have you got a video on making the panels? Thx
Which rockwool do you recommend? the one that would be non hazardous. ...
Informative!
Just subscribed to Adam Audio and Music City Acoustics newsletter. Hope to win some clouds!
Seeing this three years later. Guess I can’t enter to win these panels anymore
For apartments - what about installing a cloud on stands from the floor?
Pdf is no longer available 😢
I just seen that
Hi there! You can find the guide in the following link www.musiccityacoustics.com/installation-guides
@@ADAMAudioBerlin thank y’all 🙏🏽
With this and other videos I've noticed from you guys I can't seem to download the install guide. Did you stop it from working?
Hi jlow!
You can find the guide in this link www.musiccityacoustics.com/installation-guides
5:13 I feel like I've heard somewhere that you don't wanna sit in the center of your room, and also I've definitely heard a lot about the 38% rule. So should you sit in the center or about 38% into the room?
Hi @kennylux! That´s right, an ideal listening positioning would be in the center between the left and right wall and about 38% into the length of the room.
@@ADAMAudioBerlin Oh that's what you meant, ok thanks :)
What I've often wondered recently with clouds, is why there isn't something like a set of boom-mike style heavy duty stands that could be placed in the room's corners, that then interlock & criss-cross above you? Like a sort of scaffold cradle, if that make sense. Then you could hang clouds from that, instead drilling through the ceiling A complete non-destructive way of doing it. That would make it a lot easier and means you can put them up in any space, without having to worry getting permission etc. I'm surprised that doesn't seem to exist, from what I can tell.
Hi Oliver, sounds like a great idea but the stands would have to be like small cranes and be incredibly heavy to counterbalance the weight. I'd love to see something like you're describing though!
Check out the Attack Wall by ASC
I’ve seen that done DIY, but it’s expensive and time-consuming
Ian is so much more mature than he was in his smosh career in the past
Would 4 inch clouds work?
It's actually a "joist" if a framing member is in a floor system, or ceiling (rafter roof). "Studs" are always vertical and found only in walls. .
Hi,
i dont wanna necessarily have to leave a 10 cm air gap, because it will shrink the room to much
Hi, did you guys put the cloud absorber on the roof truss or just random places on the ceiling?
Installation guide link is broken may be. not working. Please take a look
How heavy are those panels? Around 45lbs each?
HI! will acoustic clouds block steps noises from above?
Hi Sebastian! No. Acoustics panels / clouds are intended to fix the room acoustics (the inside sound) but are not working as soundproofing. Your sound would still go out and the external will come in.
If you don't want external sounds inside your room, you'll need to soundproof all the walls, ceiling and floor.
What if your plasterboard is dot and dab on concrete?
Might be a silly question but... I'm a drummer with a small finished basement (8ft ceiling/lots of corners) and do not plan on recording. All of the acoustic help pages I have visited imply this is for recording purposes so I'm having a hard time understanding if this would benefit me in any way. I'm all for making my set up sound better, but for the investment (time & money) would this be worth any LIVE sound improvement that I might get out of it?
If you don’t plan on recording then the amount of acoustic treatment would be up to you. But, yes, treating your playing space would help make you hear your instrument with minimal reflections. I had an unfinished basement with just block walls. I section off a space with a cheap moving blanket curtain I made with a cheap cheating track from Amazon that has clips I clipped to the moving blankets making a curtain. I also bought a 6 pack of 2” OC703 insulation, made 6 2” panels, and hung them in my space. My partitioned space was about 13’x15’ but the entire basement was about 34’x50’. To “treat” the rest of the basement I set up stacks of big empty cardboard boxes to act as acoustic panels. It made a significant difference to how the overall kit sounded compared to the big empty cement block space I was working with. Especially with the high-end like cymbals and hats. I did nothing to the ceiling which was mostly bare floor joists but my area did have a dilapidated tile ceiling which I did not treat. The floor was bare concrete and my kit sat on a thin rug. At the end of the day, I thought it sounded good to my ear.
Considering your basement is finished, I’m assuming it has drywall, trim, doors, and a floor covering be it hardwood, laminate, or carpet. If so, your already most of the way there. If you have carpet, your entire floor is already pretty much “treated” for some mids and a lot of highs. And, beyond going into a legitimate sound proofing situation, you’re only really going to be controlling some mid and a lot of high frequencies. Luckily, for a non recording situation, that’s about all you need to treat for. Like I said above, in your situation you would just be treating to tighten up your rooms sound to your ear. Again, I don’t know your spaces setup but, it never hurts to put up some acoustic panels just to tame those mids/highs.
As a quick experiment, to witness the effects of some simple acoustic treatment and to see if investing in a more professional solution is right for you, you can collect a lot of clothes from your home and hang them up and around in your space. A bunch of clothes hanging up is actually rather good acoustic treatment for some mids and a lot of highs. If you notice a positive effect, then you’ll have a better idea on what you need to do with your space to make it more pleasant to play in.
Good luck man!
So do you perform live in your basement or do you use speakers? If it's the former then you should be good without any treatment, if it's the latter I suggest you do some research on room acoustics and make an informed decision. Yes, treatment can make a room drastically sound better, but it can also make things sound worse. Generally, the ceiling is a good place to treat due to it being a source of very early reflections. You want to balance the clarity and dryness of your room when treating it. Usually trapping bass and diffusing mids and highs is a good idea. I suggest thick broadband absorption and no foam whatsoever.
Cymbals sound so much better with acoustic treatment in the drum room. Even if it's just a few area rugs hung on the walls surrounding the kit.
Why the panels are so thick?! Did they use double rockwool filling?!
those look nice...
so, don't go around drilling 5 holes to find a stud. use a magnet to locate the screws (neodymium ones work great) and mark the locations.
use fixture chains for anchoring (small chains for suspending lights). it's cheaper and offers greater flexibility w/ positioning...
Hello! Can you help me. Can't find info around net. So can i made ONE big cloud ceiling panel instead using 3 as in the video? And why you have gaps between 3 panels (i'm not about ceiling gap). Thanks for answer!
Hi there! You can find guidance in this link www.musiccityacoustics.com/installation-guides
Very informative, thanks! Graham, should I always match the air gap with a 1:1 ratio, even with 8 or 10" absorbers?
Hey! So glad to hear you enjoyed the video. In general yes! The air gap will always be beneficial. In our testing we've found using denser materials beyond 10 or 12 inches can start to do some weird things, so for our deeper custom bass traps we'll use 10" of mineral wool sometimes 30" off the wall, and then fill the remaining space with fluffy insulation.
@@MusicCityAcoustics Alright thanks again!
How would you install clouds on a cathedral/vaulted ceiling?
Hi! My celling is 8 foot from the floor, and my main issue in my room right now is at 100 - 200hz . Is it ok to mount a 2" lets say 4" away from the celling? I know there is a compromise but that 100 - 200hz region is so anoying. thanks
If you have very high ceilings 12’…. Are ‘clouds’ better than installing so they hang vertically?
Hi J!
When dealing with a room with very high ceilings, like 12 feet, there are several factors to consider when deciding between using acoustic clouds or installing acoustic treatments vertically on the walls. Both options have their advantages and disadvantages, and the choice depends on various factors, including the room's acoustics, aesthetics, and intended use.
Acoustic Clouds:
-Suspension: Acoustic clouds are typically suspended from the ceiling and hang horizontally. They are designed to absorb and diffuse sound reflections from the ceiling, creating a more controlled acoustic environment.
-Sound Control: Acoustic clouds are effective at reducing ceiling reflections, which can help improve speech intelligibility, reduce echo, and enhance the overall acoustic quality of the room.
-Aesthetics: Acoustic clouds can be designed in various shapes and sizes, making them visually appealing and allowing for creative design options. They can also be customized to blend with the room's decor.
-Flexibility: They are relatively easy to install and can be adjusted to different heights, making them adaptable to various room configurations.
Vertical Acoustic Treatments:
-Wall-Mounted Panels: Vertical acoustic panels installed on walls can also effectively control sound reflections, especially those coming from the walls themselves. They are often used to address early reflections, which can improve the listening experience and reduce acoustic issues.
-Aesthetics: Wall-mounted panels can be designed to complement the room's decor, and they come in various styles, colors, and materials. They can blend seamlessly with the wall or serve as decorative elements.
-Functionality: Vertical acoustic treatments can address a broader range of acoustic issues beyond just ceiling reflections. They can help with flutter echoes, standing waves, and overall room acoustics.
-Installation: Installing vertical panels on walls may be easier and more practical in some cases, especially if the room's ceiling is very high and difficult to access.
The choice between acoustic clouds and vertical acoustic treatments depends on your specific acoustic needs and design preferences. In a room with very high ceilings, you might find that a combination of both approaches is beneficial. For example, you can use acoustic clouds to address ceiling reflections and vertical acoustic treatments on the walls to control other acoustic issues.
If you use three clouds, wouldn't it be hard to cover the first reflection points? I am about to install the clouds but if I use three, the first reflection points are like right in between the panels (at the gaps of each panel).. is this okay?
I thought of using just two but three would be better in abosorbing low end the low end?
Thanks for the great video
Why the 2 inch gap?
Great video, very helpful. At the end of the video you mentioned angling the rear of the cloud upward if wanted. Is there a reason someone might do that or is it just cosmetic?
I have a fan in the centre of the room (presently in Goa, India). It's usually off, since I installed A/C for the gear. How to deal with the metal reflections and the mass of the fan removing the ability to cover the absolute centre?
remove the fan maybe ^^
So … did they actually make a difference? Measurements?
Brilliant video, thank you so much for taking the time and trouble to make these videos.A lot of work has gone in to all your videos.
Super helpful.. I would ideally love to see some before and after measurements .
Do you you use the same density mineral wool for the cloud diffuser as the wall hanging ones?
thanks
What if I don't have a ceiling at all?
Homeless bums shouldn’t have to worry about acoustic panels
I'm a little shocked a stud finder wasn't used before randomly drilling till you hit one. That seems like a highly amateur move, honestly. For anyone watching, use a stud finder instead of just drilling holes till you hit a joist.
Hi Clint, as Graham mentioned, the ceilings were all plaster and a stud-finder didn't work in this application. We certainly wish it would have worked as well!
2:55 is completed nonsense... and allready busted. do your homework..... reality is airgap max 50mm everything above... does not work in reality, only in theor...
I have a 2 inch panel, so max 50mm? Maybe a stupid question😅
@MrTrubadurable 👍 2inch is a lil bit hmm. lol.
Magnets, my friend, use magnets to find studs and joists.
How do you deal with vaulted ceiling and what works best for cloud panel sizes and thicknesses.
Holy stud finder stay away from my ceiling ;)
never heard of a studio having a level cloud. most professional studios i’ve been in are sloped toward the back wall.
How much slopped?
@@studiosingyourstyle any angle, as long as it’s not parallel with the floor. I imagine the steeper the greater effect on low end, but may be negligible
Seems none of the acoustic treatment videos are scientific in nature nor measured in results. There is no discussion about which treatment (thickness or material ) controls what frequency by how much or how much for example an air gap improves/dampens with metrics not assertions.
Also, while guilford of Maine acoustic fabrics are acoustically transparent, not sure why that is a benefit in a dampening situation. Non transparent fabric would be contributing to the dampening right? Guilford of Maine fabric is definitely attractive in appearance fabric in any case.
I agree these videos are usually light on science and citations. While I am all for treating ceilings, room treatment should definitely not be embarked upon without prior research and measurements, it's very far from all cure all.
You want acoustically transparent fabric so the sound waves can pass through it and be damped by the material inside the panel. Non-acoustically transparent fabric would reflect higher frequencies.
@@bathynomusgiganteus2916 I mean it’s UA-cam, not an academic journal. I prefer JSTOR for my research.
@@kylesmith9048 I challenge someone to run a spectrum graph and of a fabric that would reflect. I expect fabrics to have dampening effect.
@@theige01 Maybe if you pour water on them.
4:52 why do the disembodied eyes with no face jump into the shot? What's with the ridiculous mask??? Very creepy.
I don't believe those panels aren't going to absorb that much below 125hz and for floor to ceiling problems. With 7ft to 9ft ceilings, you are going to have Axial modes in the 65hz to 75hz range, so those panels are NOT going to treat those low frequencies. There are panels that will absorb down to 65hz, but they are more like 7inch thick and they use 6inches of open cell foam with a perforation panel in front.
The issue with acoustics is finding the right type of treatment, how much and placement. First you have to conduct measurements to figure out the nature of the problem and then pick the right type of treatment and then calculate how MUCH treatment you'll need and where to place them.
The panels in the video may not actually treat the floor to ceiling problems in that room.
i would be livid if you drilled 40 holes in my ceiling man come on, it's not that hard to find studs. if you cant knuckle knock a stud then put down the power drill.
joists**
Andrew Garfield?
Please don't just go drilling holes in your ceiling... There are much better ways to do this.
use magnets to find the mounting metal nails or screws wtf ppl
Just get a stud finder 😂
6:42 ... bro, you're not qualified to be giving advice.
15:27 ... -_^
16:11 saw this coming a mile away
They're not studs in the ceiling, they're joists. the fact this guy doesn't know the difference does not inspire confidence. I also watched him construct a panel in another video. The quality of construction was amateur at best.
I honestly don't know why ADAM Audio would want to be associated with this.
So long-winded in every sentence, a real snake-sleeper!
Those aint studs… they’re dwangs…😂. Studs are vertical.
These guys make normal word's to professional and that's weird and I cringe 😶
Brah, don't be one of those woke critters that wants to change the definitions of words. Verical framing are studs. The horizontals are joists. The angled boards in a vaulted ceiling are rafters. You'll sound a whole lot more professional when consulting with contractors and architects.
hello, I am building an acoustic panel, i build the wood frame and stuff with rock wool sound insulation.
HOWEVER, i use vapor barrier to wrap the whole thing, not the fabric which you use here. AND i find out the panel wont help too much, is it because the vapor barrier wont absorb the sound? it block the sound, which make my acoustic panel useless..And i have to use fabric to wrap. Thank you
I don't understand why Adam doesn't just use ATC monitors. They can clearly afford them.