New roof taken off and COMPLETELY re-done ***BASTARD HIP SETTING OUT***
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- Опубліковано 23 гру 2024
- In this video I talk about a how I came to be completely re fitting a roof after the previous one was plagued with problem.
I also talk a little bit about I find the striking point for the hips on this irregular pitch hipped ended roof.
Well done mate, many would have run a mile after seeing that disaster. You've done those people a great service. I hope they appreciate what you done.
Hi there🖐Thanks for your comment, and the home owners were definitely happy to get it done👍Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
A brave man who takes on someone else’s half baked efforts. Thanks for explaining the fine points.
That's the beauty of patience and an houry rate Phil😉Thanks for your comment comment 😎Cheers Del
This video is gold for everyone from home owners looking to have work done to generational trained carpenters. We can all learn from this! Thanks Del. 👍🏻
That's a very kind comment Ashley🖐and we all never stop learning👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Well done Del, they are lucky to have a honest carpenter with your skill set on site !!!! saved the day !! Great video
Hi Michael🖐It was actually a nice and interesting job to do for me, and it's just a shame for the customer that it had to be done twice😖Thanks for your comment, as always, and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I built a 3000 ft. split level two story house back in 1984 that had 26 hips and valleys with only 12 common rafters in the whole roof. I had a hard time finding any roofers that wanted to tackle it. They would drive up take one look and drive away. It was a complicated roof with different pitches but I love a challenge. Cutting in the roof was always my favorite part of house framing. Loved it! I had to retire in 2006 because of my health but I sure miss framing houses. Too old and fat now.😂🤣
I'm green with envy just reading your comment about that beast of a roof🤩Don't get me wrong, I am not a master roofer by a long shot, but, like you say, what a challenge, and the satisfaction of completing it must have been immense👊Thanks for watching and your great comment 😎 Cheers Del
I tell what dude anyone judging your work there could only come to one conclusion, top effort and two thumbs up. It's really hard turning up on a job and pulling it out of the fire. I think the true test of any trades people is how they deal with things when it isn't going to plan.
Hi Tomo🖐I appreciate your comment bud, and I know I'm a little hard on myself and probably aim a little too high with my standard's sometimes, but it's better than not caring and just becoming rougher and rougher😬Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Well a very nice explanation of a balls up and how to rectify other people's mistakes. These type of problems always make the job more expensive and take twice as long ! Great Video.
Hi Peter🖐Yes, it was unfortunate that the roof got off to a false start, and I'm sure things have been learned from it👊Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
This is a brilliant video. We all pride ourselves on turning out work we are proud of and it’s easy to bang photos or videos of it online when all things are equal. However a true test of our skills and capabilities are put to the test when you are faced with the reality of finite time, finite materials and finite monetary resources. If the clients penny’s are running out and times ticking, you need to accept your lot and crack on. All things considered you’ve made an outstanding job with the parameters in which you were given the job. It’s a credit to you that you took the job on in the first place! Well done.
Hi Dean🖐What an awesome and well articulated comment🤩Yep, sometimes we just gotta get the job done the best we can with what we've been given👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Blimey Del, You have pulled that back from the brink... Someone owes you a BIG slice of cake for that. I admire your tenacity and your explanation made it all quite clear. Well done mate you are a Star... Bob.(Weston s Mare )
Hi Bob🖐I suppose it would be so easy to just walk away from jobs like this, but there is actually nothing wrong with the job once you get past the false start👊Great comment and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I have seen the roof go over top the existing roof
and where it went the over
they would put a louver in
it.
@@wltuck2456 Sounds interesting 🤔 👍
Del take no shame in the fact that you’ve done your good deed and helped the customer out. Im sure you did your best the fact that you showed as much as you did tells me you did your best. 👍
Hi Mark🖐I was happy with how the job turned out once I got it all done👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Fair play for showing the REALITY of our trade sometimes. Far to many dreadful manufacturer's selling crap and Far to many "have a go Harry's" who call themselves tradesman🙄. Pat on the back for helping the customer get back on track 👍
Hi Ashley🖐Its the reality of the game unfortunately, and it seems like things are getting worse, not better😬It was nice to get this job back on track for the homeowners👊Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Definitely worth showing what problems there can be if not done correctly. Well done Del
Thanks for you comment Kevin🤗and I appreciate you watching 😎Cheers Del
Excellent rescue job, I have had similar in the past where I have come in after someone's cock-up on a roof, and done much the same as you have, using all the same timber with various wrong bird's mouth cut outs and wrong jack rafter angle cuts etc., so well done for such an impressive result, cheers
Good on you Dean👊and its very easy to walk away from these kind of jobs, which make them all the more satisfying when you pull it round💪Thanks for watching and your comment😎Cheers Del
You have really pulled that job back from the brink there Buddy, you have worked wonders with what you were left with obviously 🤘😎🤘👍🤓👍
Hi Wayne🖐 I felt for the young couple who's job it is, as they weren't served as well as they should have been by people who are meant to be professionals😬Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Such a great video to watch nothing easy about that job! You done great explaining everything… love videos like this!
Hi Siy83🖐I thank you for your comment and for watching 😎Cheers Del
As a traditional roofer who does a lot of reslates a tile reroofs it's nice to see someone who knows what they are doing with the roof timbers as it makes life much easier, good video.
Hi John🖐I was always taught, and I believe, that you should always be thinking about, not only doing the best you can for the customer, but also making things as easy as possible for any trades that might be coming behind you👍I tend to work in front of the same tilers, and I'm always making sure they have everything they need to get the job done smoothly, and have never minded putting valley noggins wherever they want, and extra bits of ply to make it easier for any lead work👊Thanks for watching and have a good week😎Cheers Del
Well done Del ..... so many less conscientious guys would have walked away from what looked like a bodge up.... great job and one for the apprentice carpenter classroom 😊👍
Hi Derek👊I think that's what, pretty much, did happen😬I really enjoyed doing the job, weather aside, and am pleased the roof can now be covered in👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I found this video interesting - how you took a less than ideal situation and turned it into a successful outcome using your experience, patience and professionalism. Good work!
Thanks for your kind comment Andy🤗and for watching😎Cheers Del
Your a good man and brilliant carpenter. Love your roof framing videos .Taught me a lot. Good work .Thankyou
Thanks for your kind words Emile🤗and I'm glad my videos are useful to you👊Cheers Del
Hats off to you del, that was definitely a head scratcher of a roof 🙌👏
I really enjoy that part of it Jim🤯and this is only the 2nd unequal pitched hip end that I've ever done, and the other must have been 25 years ago😬Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
When you have the ability to put in a traditional roof and tie into the existing. Very satisfying and no truss company needed. The customer was lucky you took it on 👍
Hi Chris🖐It would have been a real treat to cut this roof traditionally by 'hand', but time and money means trusses were favoured😉Thanks for your comment and for watching😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter I have to admit it's been a few years since I did a traditional roof. All trusses these days 👍
@@chrisneville7310 I do a lot of trussed roofs, but they usually have some hand cut elements in them too👍Cheers
Real satisfaction with that job Del, to pull a disaster back on track. Nice one mate. 👍
She's a beauty now Barry🤩Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Mate. You made it work that’s all that matters. The judgers aren’t genuine time served who have had to go behind that CHEAPER QUOTE or Sarah beenie clone. Kudos to you. I’m 30 years in and am never surprised. I’m mean really? Trusses on a little addition like that.?? Hand cut all day. That’s just me.
Hi Jay🖐I think trusses were used here as the span was 9m which would have needed some BIG timbers in there🤔One thing you can say about trusses is, they are cheap and fast👊Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Cheap. Fast. Good. Pick two.......
Seriously, this just hurt my head. I have to wonder if anyone, at any point before they started turning big boards into little boards checked the walls for level, plumb, straight and square before the roof started going on. My roofing days are behind me but if it was my job I would have mocked up the ridge beam and and imaginary corners corners down at the plate level and used those as points of reference it to hook a few strings/tape measure to get a feel for what's really going on. And then a whole lot of custom-cutting. Not a big fan of trusses because you're always at the mercy of what comes off the truck.
That said, you really saved the day on this one. Sometimes doing something wrong points the way to doing it right.
I glad that you pointed out that the screw-up would eventually find it's way to the facia and soffits, the part that everybody sees. Well done, very well done.
@@curbmassa Hi there🖐In my early days as a carpenter, back in the mid 1980's, hand cutting roofs from big piles of timber was the norm, as was having the time on jobs to think about things and get the whole job set up right from the start👊Fast forward 36 years, and things are so very different😬 I really enjoy what I do, and the joy and satisfaction of the little bits of hand cut roofs I do, will not be taken away from me by the need to knock the work out as quickly as possible👊Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Time served retired brickie here and couldn’t agree more with you if I ever had to do an extension for someone I always said cut a traditional roof especially if you’re cutting into an existing roof, the joiners used to argue amongst themselves as to whose turn it was to work on a house that we built because they knew if it was a peaked roof cut the guides and use them to be the templates because I insisted that we measured and squared the wall plates so it was easier for the joiners , same on a hip roof just parallel and make sure everything is level and square, building is simple it’s the cowboys who make it hard, wouldn’t be the first time I had to help out a young joiner who had difficulty setting a hip roof out , good vid never easy fixing someone else’s problems
@@johnmehaffey9953 You're from a different time John, and it feels like every man for himself nowadays😩Occasionally I get to work behind guys of your caliber, and I can tell you, its a real treat🤗Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Thank you for this! Finally an easy to understand method for a bastard hip. Thank you so much!
Glad you found it useful bud👍Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Really enjoy watching your stuff mate .. respect to you and your quality of workmanship
Hi Neil🖐I appreciate you watching bud🤩and thanks for your great comment 😎 Cheers Del
Morning del can you please do a video on a masons mitre next time you do a laminate worktop . Cheers
@@MIGHTYQ277 Sure can Neil👍although it might be a while as its mostly stone worktops on my jobs nowadays👊
Well done Del , pulled the job out of the fire 🔥 literally ☺️ see the new roofing square in use , so was the main problem that the common trusses off center , different pitch on each side 🙉 , nice to help out someone when their in trouble they'll remember you , hate to see bad work left behind 👍☘️🇮🇪👋👏👏👏
Genuinely John, I wasn't able to suss where the problem was. The monos were definitely out a bit, and the girder truss was perfectly lined up with the common trusses at the eves, but went a bit as it went up the roof🤔As I said in the video, it only takes a couple of things to be slightly out, and this can affect the way other things fit😖Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
I just subscribed to your channel, as a joiner with 30 years under my belt I’m still learning the trade 👍🏼 how many young joiners don’t have a clue about traditional roofing etc. many thanks 🙏🏻
Hi Matthew🖐The day I stop learning about carpentry, will be the day I stop being a carpenter😮There is always something to learn, and its always a great feeling when we get some new knowledge👊I appreciate you subscribing and thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del
Top man Del, coming to their rescue like that. As others had said, many others would not have helped. We are in the middle of having renovations done. Already had a single garage with a flat roof converted to a hip roof and I will check their workmanship now based on your comments as I have a bigger job lined up for them if they pass! Especially if they have done half lap joints🤞 🙂 Your clients are lucky to have such a honest and genuinely skilled craftsman at their service. Keep up the great work.
Hi Neil🖐Don't judge your carpenters too harshly, as we are in short supply at the moment😖Communion is the key and as long as you speak to them and they speak you should be fine🤞Thanks for watching and your great comment 😎 Cheers Del
Yes, had to watch video 6 times, my pea brain finally absorbed your method, thank you sir.
All clear
That's great bud👍and it can be super easy to make a mistake on these types of roofs😬Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Brilliant job sir,quality tradesman at work there.
A flying hip was my most head scratching moment - but many, many years ago now . Keep em coming.👍🏻👍🏻
Hi Stuart🖐They can be tricky, and it's all about being able to simplify how you look at and just take one thing at a time👊As I said in the video, one of the biggest issues with offset hips is trying to not apply what you have been doing for years with regular ones🤯Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Love watching your videos!
Real life situations and relatable content.
Not all jobs are fairytale perfect situations and you’ve done an awesome job with it 👏
Thanks for your kind comment Scott😎Its simply would not be real of me to only show all the jobs that go without a hitch, and certainly not reflective of the life of a real world carpenter here in the UK👍Thanks for watching🤩Cheers Del
I never realized how lucky I am to have access to quality truss manufacturers here in the US. The one I normally deal with is owned by a one of the national lumber yard companies. They own the mills that produce the kiln dried lumber and the local stores that sell the finished trusses. It's cheaper to buy the assembled trusses (including delivery to the job site) than it would be to purchase the lumber at retail prices to build them on site. Fortunately, trusses have been the standard here for so many decades, the manufacturers are good at their craft. I'm required to have a 45lb/sq ft snow load. The engineered trusses can utilize 2x4 and 2x6's. If I hand frame it, I'm using 2x8 and 2x10's to satisfy building codes and pass inspection.
Hi Mike🖐Great to have you watching from the US, and it's always interesting hearing other carpenters experiences, and it's cool that you have a good truss manufacturer you can rely on👊 I would rather be hand cutting my roofs out of the big timbers you talk about, as it feels like proper carpentry🤩Thanks for you comment 😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter I totally agree about the joy of hand framing with large dimensional lumber, with large lvl ridge, hips, and valleys. The sense of accomplishment and pride in the finished product cannot be understated. Unfortunately, only very high end custom homes have completely hand framed roofs anymore. A middle class home might have a few sections hand framed to create a cathedral ceiling or some other feature. Starter homes? That's going to be completely truss for the economics. 20 years ago that transition to the existing roof would be hand framed over here. Today? A valley set of trusses would be ordered, delivered, and tipped up on top the old roof. The truss manufacturers have been systematically identifying where hand framing on roofs is still being done and making their own solutions, that happen to be cheaper and faster. Makes me appreciate the opportunities to hand frame when the budget allows.
@@mikeirvin9694 Great comment Mike, and it's vert similar here in the UK, with only high end jobs having expensive hand cut roofs that form part of the living space👊Like you, I think the most satisfaction in my whole job comes from traditional roof carpentry😎Cheers again
One of your best videos yet really enjoyed and very easy to follow thx del 👍
Crikey Paddy🤩I was actually a little disappointed with amount of detail I was able to put into tge video, so I appreciate your comment🤗Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
well done, in my experience when the trusses are wrong such as the girder its warning bell time. Excellent recovery job.
Whilst trusses are quick they are not always the answer , in my 'aged' opinion the industry should still include an element of traditional cut roofing in the training programme. Once again well done,
Hi Vic🖐It's clear to see the advantage of trusses in terms of speed and less material use, but as you hint, they are much more common due to the lack of tradition roofing carpenters😬Hope you are keeping well, and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I have just retired from 20 years teaching C&J in an FE college (28 years in industry before that). I agree that traditional cut roofs should be included in training programmes, we had all level 3 apprentices build a cut roof with hips, valleys and dormers, at level 2 it was not required unfortunately.
@@WilliamPightling Hi William🖐I'm my opinion the lack of many of the traditional skills on modern building sites is quite depressing. There is a multitude of reasons for this, many of which are complex and not easily remedied😬Sound's like you put some lads through that might have a chance of completing some traditional roofing👊Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Never great following someone else’s lash up Del, Ive put 3 of these right over the years, strip it all of an start again.
I think you explained it perfectly 👏👏
Hi Mark🖐Yeah, it's not ideal, but these jobs need pulling back straight, and it's very satisfying to get it done so the job came move on👍Thanks for watching bud😎Cheers Del
I applord you Del, you've made a sows ear into a silk purse.
The customer should be full of relef, I bow my hat to you.
Hi Steven🖐Thanks for you kind words😎and for watching👊Cheers Del
Talk about making a silk purse out of a sow’s ear Del! You’ve done wonders with what you had to work with. So there’s no judgement at all with what you’ve done. Brilliant job and explanation as usual. 👍🏼👍🏼
Thanks for your kind words Simon🤗and I was really pleased to complete the job and everyone was happy🤩Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Good job...I also love watching Robin Clevett. He is just so skilled.
Hi Jim🖐He and are both the same age and are very similar in the way we go about our carpentry👊Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
This is the sort of stuff I'm looking for.
I'm very very rarely in a perfect situation.
My entire career as a carpenter has been mainly dealing with incredibly un ideal situations.
Nothing is ever remotely square or level.
I've watched a million videos on the perfect way of doing things.
But nothing ever really applies.
I'm forever having to figure it out and make it up as I go along.
It's never as easy as most construction channels make it out to be.
Hi Kallum🖐You're comment is bang on mate, and, as much as I would like to portray that all my jobs are perfect and all my work is flawless, it simply wouldn't be an accurate reflection of the real world work I can get asked to do. I think it would be very rare indeed if a carpenter never had to get over problems and be able to finish every job to perfection👍Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@elliottgeorge5850 The simple answer to your comment bud is, 'day work'👍I never work on price, and my reputation is such that people know they will get the job done right, and it will be cheaper than on a price as I work quite fast🤟If someone ever pushes me for a price, I simply tell them that I always worry about losing out if my price is wrong, so I will just double any price I come up with to be on the safe side😵 I know that sounds bolshy, but I won't take the risk of working for peanuts if I get my price wrong. I'm busy all of this year, and half of next😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter would you work to your idea of perfection or do you have allowances/tolerances where you know what’s acceptable and as long as it meets this minimum requirement then you’re satisfied or do you only work to your idea of perfection where there is no allowance for error
@@miloclarke5486 Hi Milo🖐I can let things slide a tiny bit on things like roofs as a few mm here or there just won't make any difference. But I try to keep a high standard as the minute you drop your standards you run the risk of free falling to lower and lower standards👍
Welcome to the Real world where you will encounter everything but the perfect situation!
I generally have a cup of tea and think about it for a time.
You done really well sorting that out, I would have loved to have seen how you done all of that, I have never done a bastard hip and it is something that has always intrigued me but also scares the hell out of me, like you said "unlearn what you have learnt". Really appreciate what you are doing to try and help people learn more.🙂
Hi Bradley🖐I really wanted to show how I set out the rafter positions to get equal soffit and fascia, as its not actually that difficult, but it just wasn't possible on the first day I was there😬Maybe, one day I will be able to do a video showing how I do it🤞Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Have you got any vids on you setting out the bastard hip del?
It's nice to see a real life job where everything isn't perfect.
Sometimes you just have to just have an extra head scratch and find a solution that isn't in the ready reckoner or on some app.
Had to recently cut 2 double 9x2 valley rafters into an existing roof with a 75mm sag in the middle.
All good fun lol
Enjoying your videos 👍
Hi Shaun🖐Reading about your valley rafter makes me think remember that sometimes you have to let your eye be your guide, and throw away the reckoner and the level😲Great comment and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I feel your pain Del and good on you for putting it right. Excellent product placement on 21 mins 😉👍
Hi JRS🖐It was satisfying to get it done, and see what you mean about Dan's square😆Thanks for watching bud 😎Cheers Del
Wish I'd seen your video yesterday before I set out my "bastard" hip. I've ended up with roofs at different heights but one end is only 4 rafters so I can adjust this! Excellent videos - I've learnt a lot - thanks.
Sounds like it should be fairly easy to adjust Craig👊Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Well done Del, certainly sorted that one out, looking forwards to more roofing Videos. Take care.
I've got a few roofs coming up Gary, so hopefully Ill get some good footage from them🤞Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Very rewarding job Del I imagine. It’s always frustrating redoing other peoples work, but it’s the end game that’s important. 👊🏻
That's right Carter👊and it's in good shape now👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Your a better man than me, I'd have had one look and said not for me thanks. Your roof will be by far the best thing on that job.
Hi O Bez🖐It can be a bit of a brain scrambler, as there everything you do with offset hips affects something else in a way that equal hips do not👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Done an extension 2 foot higher roof than main house. Turned out fab
They look great with two little hips to tie them into the existing roof👊Done a few on new builds🤟Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I've learnt a lot from your bastard hip videos, more so than any other videos, mainly due to the information regarding finding common points even though the pitches differ,... Height above plate and where soffit and facia intersect.... thank you!!
Hi Chris🖐I'm glad bud, and I would agree that the two most important points are the ones you mention, and once you understand these, basic hip and roofing principles can fill in the blanks👍Appreciate your comment bud, and hope, whenever it comes, you tackle your next bastard hip with ease😎Cheers Del
Great explanation of a simple problem that seems to baffle carpenters !!
Thanks Bill🤩Cheers Del
Brilliant to watch as carpenter over 30 years I couldn’t figure that out be great to have a day on site with you you certainly no you’re stuff you should never be out of work
Hi Trevor🖐I reckon it's been 30 years since I last did hipped end like this, but I'm quite logical which usually gets me the answers I need🤔I think the videos might make out that I know what I'm doing all the time, but trust me, I'm no different to many other carpenters, and am always learning👊Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Great job Del, I’ve had to but a couple of roof right recently, so I feel your pain. Love my ultimate R SQ
Hi Dale🖐I'm the same as you bud, and don't have to do it very often🤔Dan's square will come in on future videos👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter 🙌🏻
Well done Del, bastard of a job let alone the hip ! As a fellow carpenter I know slow and steady always wins the race nice1 mate
Hi Brit🖐You're right bud, and if you rush at these things, it can cost you later😵Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Great job fixing it the best you can del the homeowners are in good hands now lots of builders won’t take on peoples mistakes 👍🏻
Hi John🖐I can completely understand builders not wanting to get involved, and fortunately for this customer, they new a builder who knew me and we got it sorted👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Brilliant video. So hard to find a proper explanation on hiw to do a bastard hip. I've struggled for years. As you say. If you go to the corner. It will work. But you end up with unequal soffit. Or unequal fascias. I've used 3 sting lines in the past. But it's a nightmare. This is so straight forward. Thanks!!
Hi Mark🖐I think that once you understand that the roofs corner point is the external corner of the fascia, this helps shift your focus away from the external corner of where the 2 wall plates meet👍I'm hoping to be doing another, smaller one soon, and should be able to really show how simple it is to set out based on equal soffit and fascias🤞Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Hi del your experience Shone through the way you found the hip shift excellent
Hi Brian🖐I don't do these type of hips very often, but I'm quite a logical thinkers which usually guides me to the solution to a specific problem🤟Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
One of your best vids yet del! You successfully polished the turd 👍
Hi JE🖐I really appreciate your comment🤗and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
This sadly this is a very common occurrence. Homeowners wanting to PM their own jobs to save money getting bent over by companies that simply exploit their lack of knowledge. I’ve reworked so many roofs, kitchens, doors etc in my 30 years. My advice for prospective homeowners looking to run their own jobs, simply don’t, hire a carpenter that can prove his or hers track record and let the chippy run it.
In my eyes the best part about carpenters is they touch pretty much everything on a job and therefore have a great understanding of all the steps required. This makes for solid PMs. Great save here Del.
A great comment MR🫡and running a job is not for the feint hearted🤔Thanks for watching bud 😎 Cheers Del
You did the best that could be done del👏. Those wall plates on the corner with no half lap 😳. I had similar problem with mono trusses on low on the hip, what a pain, and nothing can be done, made wrong thats it 🙆. Trusses roofs 🙄, I prefer cut roof. Why the different pitch? Makes the hip problematic. Very well done del, not a nice job to go at after other people. 👏
Hi Paul🖐The hip pitch was 40 degrees and so matched the pitch of the original house roof so it looks right from the the front elevation👍The span of the main new roof was over 9 meters deep by 4.5 meters wide, so if it was an equal hip, the hipped ned would have only been 24 degrees, which would have looks really odd and needed MASSIVE long hips and looked odd from the front. If anything, it would have been easier to have a gable end, but again, this was not in the plans🙄Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Pulling the hip rafters off the corners was explained very well but not sure why that needed to happen in the first place. Had to do this several times it used to drive me crazy because your expected to do this for the same money as a traditional hip and it does mess up everything, plumb cuts,side cuts, batten's , cappings, etc. and quite frankly it's a sows ear from start to finish. I can understand it for example if a chimney was interfering with the normal run of hip or valley and couldn't be moved but otherwise don't go off the roofing square
Hi Joe🖐I get your comment, and there is so many things to think about with hips like these🤯Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
I had a job once where the owner had constructed the roof himself and the extension roof was a foot higher than the main roof... it surely creates all sorts of problems besides looking silly 😅😅! 13:08 "where´s my finger" pure gold 😀
Hi Martin🖐Great comment and I sometimes struggle to frame my shots in the camera viewfinder, and can end up waiving my my finger around on the air until I see it on the screen🤪Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Excellent video Del. You made some job of putting things right there. Quality stuff 👌👌
It's was all good in the end Marc👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Thanks for explaining, only a real carpenter like you could problem solve that.
Cheers Remi🤩Thanks for your comment and for watching😎
You did them a big favour sorting that out del ! A lot would not have been able to put that right . I couldn’t have done it for sure . Wonder why odd pitches ? Your a good guy not naming truss makers 👍
Hi Terry🖐They didn't want a gable end and 24° equal pitch hip end would have looked odd against the pitch of the original house🤔(the hip pitch was 40° to match the original house roof so it looked right on the front elevation👍) Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I can sympathize with your predicament fella..I recently built a trussed roof on a 5 bedroom house with 3 different pitches with hips and 8 valleys.. which were hand cut . The trusses were very poorly manufactured too..Very fiddly..so well done , it takes alot of experience to get over other people's stuff ups.
Sounds like you had your hands full there Jim, and valleys is where I really have to start scratching my head, and I'd really have to be in the zone to do a bastard valley rafter🤯Thanks for your great comment and for watching😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter no problem.. appreciate your channel, cheers.
well done Del ,can see that was a hard day ,all different planes to think about etc. great work as per
Cheers Tomo🤩All the hips are cut in now, and the roof is really looking good👍More videos to come😎Thanks for watching
I think it’s funny how disgusted u were at those wall plates🤣 good on ya for sorting that mess, most blokes wouldn’t of bothered with the hassle and not even been interested in the job. Top 🍌
Hi Alex🖐Yeah, I would have loved to have had tge plates off and re do them, but tge customer just needed me to crack on👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
SNAP ! I recall being called to bale out a builder who massively misunderstood an extension roof the dimensions of which at the rear elevation were three quarters shorter than the length of the building line of the front elevation; and was totally lost as to the possibility of putting in a hipped end - talk about bastard roof geometry - but I did it !
Nice one Steve👊Roofing takes YEARS to become proficient at, and even then there's always plenty to still learn👍Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Always good content mate, it's good to see that things can be worked out and sorted even if the setting and materials are not perfect. Thanks for posting informative and positive vids 👍
Hi WMC🖐Not all jobs go sweet, and sometimes things go wrong and need sorting as best as we can👊Thanks for your comment and for watching😎Cheers Del
Not sure if I understood everything you were talking about in the video but being in the construction business back in the 70’s here in the states and building a project of 36 houses using trusses similar to these we never had issues like this. We could frame up the walls on a single story 2000sf home in 2 days and the following 2 days install the trusses and deck it with a crew of 6. This is a disaster and as a homeowner I would never accept this shoddy work. Also that roof should have been hand cut which would have eliminated a lot of these issues, of course I’m assuming things are also square and level. No judgement here on your work you were brought in to fix this mess. Good luck with it all.
Hi Preston🖐It's great to have you watching from the US, and I did a fair bit of construction work over there in the early 90's👊It was cool, as a young carpenter, to see the things we do the same and the things we do differently. The biggest difference is that most home over there are made of wood, and most over here are made of brick/masonry. I think our roofing techniques are broadly the same, differening only based on the type of roof covering👍Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
I learned a lot from this brilliant video. Thank you, Tall carpenter
Hi there🖐Thanks for watching my videos and I'm pleased you find them interesting/helpful🤩Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter , you’re more like an artist, in the way you go about your work.
Really enjoying watching this video, Thanks Del for the great content 👌
Hi there Momeza🖐Graat to have you on board bud🤗Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Lucky to have you on that job del👍👍
I felt lucky bud😆Cheers
Excellent work good video. The skill is being able to adapt to scenarios that aren’t correct. Well done 👍
Great comment Ian, and very true👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Awesome video, I always learn loads from your videos I'm a carpenter in training and would love to work with you I'm sure I would learn so much 😁👍nice one del
Hi Jimmy🖐It's great that my videos are useful to you, as its the main reason I film my work👍All the best bud and keep at it🤩Cheers Del
Great vid mate. One for the apprentices (and a lot of qualified chippies) to watch. You just dont get the time to explain it all in depth when out on site and the roofer is booked to follow on the next week. Heading back in on Tuesday to sort a mess the steelwork lads have given me. They have fitted the steel hips on the wrong side of the cleats welded to the ridge. U shaped steel with a 225 x 50 timber bolted up each side. grr, I have pre cut all my jacks, told them they had it in the wrong place, then backed down thinking I had messed up the maths. Should have stuck to my guns, the maths never lies!
Hi Jim🖐I really feel your pain there bud😬Working in with steels is always fun😖and it's another set of hands the structure has got to go through to get it right👊Wouldn't love to see some pictures of it🤞Send them to thetallcarpenteruk if you can💪(no worries if you don't want to🤗) Thanks for your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Hi Del , I can’t see the spans , but was it possible for the truss manufacturer to manufacture a true hip or are they indicating on the drawing that the main truss is at a different pitch to the mono or is the span of the mono ceiling joist wrong ? , Great what we get up to on a rainy day 👍
Hi Dermot🖐I didn't actually see a truss drawing, and just worked with what was in front of me. I did query the detail of the mono as it sat on the plate as it seemed like it overshoots the loading point, but it came back that it was fine. The hip end was made the same as the pitch of the existing roof so it looked right from the front elevation👍
Hi Del , so that is why the first batch of trusses rose above the existing roof they took the new span and used the existing pitch , new span greater than old span , if an architect’s drawings indicated the roof lines and were forwarded to the truss manufacturer the home owner may have a case for compo , if I was them I would let the dust settle and when the time was right make a move , as truss manufacturer and architect will quite happily watch people squirm as long as it doesn’t affect them financially, I would love to hear the homeowner got a few £ back 👍
@@dermotkelly6946 I think the crux of the problem here was a simple mistake from the client on thinking that all of the people involved in the drawings and the truss design had the care that was needed to interpret the drawings correctly and design the roof accordingly😶Their lack of ability to do this from the drawings alone meant a non suitable roof design was drawn up and submitted to the client, who had little experience in interpreting and checking the details, before they to approved them😬
Pride in work makes for excellence in end results!!!
Hi Rodger🖐Thanks for you comment, and I agree that people should take pride in what ever they do🤩Cheers Del
The problem is many joiners experience is only on site where the houses are square and equally pitched. Then at college have only done equally pitched roofs. So they can't think beyond what they have learned. It's only the people that have done the advanced craft plus have experience in traditional builds who can get there head around something past the normal. If I have to do an unusual roof before evening starting it I like to draw a plan of it out on paper then it gives a visualisation of how things come together. My thinking is pencil lines are cheap timber isn't.
Hi Aaron🖐You make some great points, and become a proficient roofing carpenter takes years of experience as well as what we learn on early training👍I'm like you bud, in that I will start to think about more complex roofs days before I actually get to the job, and like you, I have done scaled down drawings to help work things out before a single bit of wood is cut👊Great comment and thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Great vid Dell as usual.
Building officers are killing the building game mate, they are a waste of space often turning a blind eye to cowboy builders. I would sack the lot of them lol..
Hi David🖐Over the last few years I have heard more and more stories of building inspectors passing some shocking work😬It's not great to be honest🤔Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Nice one Del. Never easy getting the job of fixing other peoples bad workmanship
It wasn't too bad Jim🤔and I'm just a little fussy. The roof was pretty much all new, and I just had to work with the existing plates and the re used timber👍Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎Cheers Del
They say .. you can’t polish a turd ..
but you just rolled it in glitter ✨ ..
Great 👍🏼 job del ..
hard work but job satisfaction guaranteed.
Great comment Paul😆and yes, there was still satisfaction to be had from this one👊Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Top man ...envious would love to have a bash at roofing my works always been internal stuff ....great videos 👍
Hi Karl🖐I did go though a looooong phase of only doing internal, finishing work, and don't reckon I went on a roof more than a couple of times in 5/6 years, so I know how you can end up doing only a certain type of work🤔Thanks for your comment and for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Roof plates a mess feel sorry you ...your a very good carpenter its a good job you are a good carpenter well done again
I just had to try and blank out some of what was already done Wayne😶and do my best with what I had👍Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
I was over Somersham way the other week, with a similar situation. Badly built extension with plate heights all over the place. Had been sat unroofed for 2 months because of arguments and problems. Managed to get a roof on and its all roofed in now. Have to feel for some customers.
Hi James🖐Sounds like we cover a similar area👊Yes, its not nice seeing customers having problems even if you weren't on board when they occurred😬Well done for pulling the job back round bud🤩Thanks for watching😎Cheers Del
Im Cottenham based, but 90% of my work is in Cambridge. Nice to work out in the villageswhen able and actually have some room to set up and park without permits.🙂🙂
@@jamesbacon3070 I hear you James, and won't work in any cities anymore😲
I was thrown in at the deep end on a bastard hip on my own just out of college nice to see some of the methods I figured out whilst doing it are used by professionals. The roof turned out pretty good, took me a while but the roofer was happy
Hi MOT🖐Ultimately, you must be have a good grasp of the fundamentals of roofing and also be quite logical👊 These type of hips are not straight forward, so nice one for getting it done🤩Thanks for your comment and for watching😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Always a pleasure to watch your videos pal I've learnt alot from from you, Thankyou
Great work pulling that one back round🔨 and a good way to place the unequal hips👌
Hi Ty MTB🖐Thanks for your comment bud, and by the looks of your user name you ate a fellow mountain biker🤟Thanks for watching 😎Cheers Del
Great video, i only work on newbuilds and have these issues with trusses on every roof. Harlows manufacture ours and I've just got used to the crap quality and inconsistencies with girders not matching the pitch of the rest of the roof
Hi Ricardo🖐I hear you bud, and I've found that the standard of trusses has been slipping for years😬I don't know anything about the manufacturing process and whether or not they are just smashed out quick so they are cheaper🤔but, truss roofs ARE cheaper than hand cut by a mile, so I guess we/the customer can't have it all ways😲Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter they're definitely worse mate, last week i had a matching pair come to site and i got them both braced up thinking nice steady day. Looked down the ridge line and they were offset. Dropped down, checked everything and both sides were spot on.
Trusses all the right way round. I couldn't believe it, honesty over 2 inch difference at ridge.
Checked wallplates both sides and they ran level through both houses.
But apparently im at fault 😂
@@TheRickyglenn I feel your pain bud, and I did a straight gable end to gable end garage last year, and 2 of the trusses were 60mm lower at the ridge, and they were only little trusses🤯Keep battling on mate👊
Always excellent work dell
So much interesting when a job goes pear shaped ...for us😬
I tend to handcut my renovation roofs...
Yr a legend buddy...keep with it 👍👍👍👍
Hi Liam🖐Very apt comment bud, as, if this was a hand cut roof, the truss problems would not have occured🤔Thanks for watching bud😎Cheers Del
Very nice Del, and a great video. Unfortunately sometimes it’s not quite the usual standards we like to follow, and you certainly made a good job of it.
Trusses are rubbish some times. Had similar, the monos just don’t want to line up.
Very well done sir. 🙌🏻
Hi Dan🖐I know I/we can sometimes be to picky, as, even a fairly rough roof still looks good once it's covered in🤩Thanks for watching bud and your comment 😎 See you soon mate👍
@@thetallcarpenter 🙌🏻👊🏻
Is the location of the other side of the hip (plan view) pushed to the outside of wall plate at the squared line (210mm) at 12:35. Also is the height above plate from which you referenced determined by the highest plane of any given two? Thanks.
Hi Fatal🖐 That's a great comment, and I should have made more detail of how I intersected the hip along that 210mm line that was set back from the plate of the main, lower pitched roof. The height above plate is determined from the steeper of the two pitches, as these rafters need to extend further out to align the fascia and soffit line. The height above plate increases the more this roof is pushed out horizontally to align the the rafter feet as mentioned above. It would be tempting to build up the plate level along the end of the steeper pitched roof, so that the rafters can be birdsmouthed, but this then causes extra work with getting the ceiling joists to line up and tie the end of the rafter. You'll see in the video, that I just kept the rafters up, (to a string line), and gang nailed them into the side of the ceiling joist which, almost, right out to the pitch of the rafter. This is super strong, and if was much higher above the plate, I would have cut some blocks under the rafters down onto the plate for extra bearing👍As I said in the video, I was hoping to go into so much more detail on this, but it just wasn't possible on the day, so I explained the best I could once I'd broken the back of it👊Thanks for watching and your comment😎Cheers Del
@@thetallcarpenter Thanks for the response and thanks for all the informative video's you make, it really helps me learn while not on the job!
@@N1rOx My pleasure🤩
Always a nightmare putting someone else's work right, great job putting it right.
You know it MrR😬Pulled it round in the end though👊Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Hi Del. I understand now why you had toilet paper with you ha, I'd be shitting myself if I had to deal with a roof like that.
Seriously though it was a great job, the home owner is lucky to have you.
I know a lot of carpenters prefer to work with trus roofs, it's for reasons like this I prefer to install a cut roof
Hi Dan🖐I wish all I did was hand cut roofs, and I always feel a little like I've underachieved when I do truss roofs😬However, it's very rare that I do a truss roof that doesn't have significant amounts of traditional infilling to do which is still why I enjoy it so much🤩I actually had the bog roll up there as it was cold hand my nose was running, and hearing me constantly sniffing on a video is pretty gross🤮Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Nice job buddy, we decent carpenters have to get over crap like this all the time, I have done several roofs after someone else has “had a go” as we say, and found that certain trusses are not manufactured correctly and were put up the wrong way round, I normally stack trusses on wall plates together to make sure angles are the same side to side. Sorry for the crap explanation and waffle if you know what I mean, great job again mate, Shaun
Hi Shaun🖐I know exactly what you mean mate, but ultimately, once all the tickets are on the same side and the trusses are all in the right line, there's not much you can do about any discrepancies😬Thanks for your comment 😎Cheers Del
Was it Robinson trusses by any chance, I do roofs for redrow homes,they make girder trusses and main trusses in different jigs. Monos out square. Never used a planer on a roof before I used Robinson trusses.
Hi Mark🖐I don't think I've ever heard of that truss manufacturer🤔To be honest, the trusses on the roof I've just finished makes the ones in this video seem perfect😵Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Here in America, we space Rafters and joists evenly at 16 inches on Center or 24 inch on Center. Where you are, do you guys not do that? I can see on that steep pitch on the end that those Rafters are Spaced erratically.
Hi Chad🖐We are the same here in the UK, and trusses are spaced at 600mm centres(24"), and hand cut is generally set at 400mm centres(16") There's a few things, on a roof like this, where the spacings cannot be altered due to how the designer set out the roof. The first is the double girder truss which is dictated by the vertical element of the mono truss and the point it strikes, at the ridge, with the last main common truss. The other is on the hip end. The outer mono trusses are positioned where the hip intersects, with the outer face of the girder truss at 90 degrees which cant be altered. The end result was that the end common mono was in the centre, the next ones outside that were set at 600mm and the last two, as mentioned above, came where they came, giving an odd spacing. (well under 600mm). The hand cut jacks were then set out back from the centre mono, (the true centre of the roof), at 600mm centres so they worked in symmetrically out to the bottom of the hips👍 I agree with you that they looked all over the place though, and if I'd have tried to more evenly space the monos I could have moved, (the ones each side of the centre mono, then it would have worked even worse for the plasterboard on the ceiling) Thanks for your comment and for watching😎Cheers Del
This video is interesting for the differences in building terminology and physical construction in other countries. "Taking the roof off" here implies the building had a complete roof--meaning fully shingled and all the shingles and plywood were removed---a huge job. Here it seems "the roof" means the framing only. The use of millimeters is very confusing. Why?
Hi Robert🖐Yeah, it's cool to hear how people from other countries describe, essentially, the same thing👊I guess we would say a roof is being stripped off and re roofed when talking about the covering(tiles, membrane, battens) And would say the roof is being taken off when talking about completely removing the timber structure👍I'm sure either description of any of these works would still be followed by additional questions for absolute clarity😉Having been trained in feet and inches, I find working in metric much more straight forward. 😀 Thanks for watching and your comment 😎 Cheers Del
Nice one. My jaw dropped when you said they were getting someone else in to finish it - haven't they learned?!
Hi Shedlife🖐I think the guys doing the soffit, fascia and roof are the real deal🤞Thanks for watching 😎 Cheers Del
Really interesting video.Wasn’t it the builders responsibility to check Truss plans?If not who should owner have shown them too to check them?Keep the videos coming👏
Great question Mark, and highlights the problems of running a job yourself with little building experience. Normally, the builder would check the design, but, in this case the customer signed them, presumingly, trusting that they had got them right with the architects drawing🤔Thanks for your comment and for watching😎Cheers Del
What type of timber is the truss ? . south african trusses are made from South african Pine ( SA Pine )
Hi there🖐I'm sure that most of the softwood we import here in the UK is Scots Pine from Sweden👍Cheers Del
Hi Del , What can you say Del but well done, in a lighter note I did notice a toilet roll in the cavity does that suggest a few tense moments?
thanks for sharing.
Hi Peter🖐I always have a roll of toilet paper to hand so you don't need to use your hand🤮Thanks for your comment😎Cheers Del