Nvidias Rtx 4090 Is Not As Good As People Think!?
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- Опубліковано 5 вер 2024
- Nvidias Rtx 4090 Is Not As Good As People Think!?
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The thing I think is most interesting about the 4090 is the fact that it just straight up has 6000 more cuda cores than the 3090, as if the performance improvement comes more from raw scale than architectural improvements. You can see that in how most of the other ada parts, when having comparable cuda core count to last gen are only a little bit better
good point
It's been noted that, notwithstanding the improvements in architecture, performance follows cuda core count... and has for generations.
Though I do think the shift to 4mn has helped enormously with efficiency.
The bigger question is: when have you NOT been lied to?
We must ask his wife!
@@nossy232323💀
Personally I feel 1600 bucks for a gpu is just murder. I don’t care how good it is unless it’s sleeping with me in my bed and making sweet love to me it’s crazy. I can understand why if you have one especially if you’re making money with it. I just know that both nvidia and AMD screwed us with how they placed the skus. This probably should have been the 4080ti if you notice the actual 80 class card is missing hence is why this card looks like it’s blasting everything in terms of performance.
Eh this is just making a product for the same market segment that did SLI setups back in the day.
I also couldn't justify the cost of what's basically just a toy that's guaranteed to depreciate incredibly badly over time. But it's nothing compared to the price of some hobbies like motorbikes, cars, hell even Warhammer can sink you thousands.
About the first part: just find an escort who's called Ada (you can bring both love and lace in the mix) and use those 1600$ + taxes on her: you'd get a few hours a week of enjoyment for a bunch of years like you'd do with the 4090. There, problem solved. 🤔
@@InnuendoXP its certainly comparable when the whole PC ends up costing more than a used motorcycle or car ,which is insane!!!
It's effectively just paying for a high end card twice to basically buy the RTX 5080 18-24 months early.
They've given us way worse deals than letting us pre-order generational uplifts eg. The 3090.
I could never justify the price of the 4090 but the way Nvidia have been up naming every other card below it, the 4090 is the only card that impresses me. The trouble is, it's spend the big dollars or eat chite, that seems to be Nvidia and AMD's modus operandi at the moment.
ill wait , its great it exists, it be a banger of a card to get in 18 months for under 700$
4090 matrix is a rip off at $3200 with no performance increase over vanilla 4090
They are going to have to raise the dye size per nm they go down now because of thermals... theres no way your going to cool quarter size dye just because they want more gpu's made off every wafer... they better keep the lower the nm and raise the dye size a little bit to keep us gamers interested in even using the dang things unless were going to run into people having problems and warrenty issues with company's because they want profit over science and better judgement.
As a coder I picked up an 7900XTX because its has significantly better 16 bit float (AI) and 64 bit double (simulation) performance verse the 4090 with the same memory. I also wanted a solid 4k@60fps non-upscaled gpu. Upscaling on my 2070Super got very old and the limited memory was an obvious problem once the XBoxS and PlayStationV were released. The 4090 is a fine card however I'll wait until the 6090 before considering another card. Let's face it, upscaling will be required for 8k or 16k displays. In three years AMD may have better technology, may not. For now I'm not buying a 4070ti or 4080 where upscaling is required as while DLSS is nice its not perfect. I'm tired of Jensen Huang making us pay though the nose for inexpensive memory, an RTX6000 charges $3000 for adding 24 GB of memory to the 4090. Everyone who bought a 8GB, 10GB or 12GB 30 or 40 series GPU won't be happy when the spec for modern games is 16GB or more. Don't be a victim of Jensen's planned obsolescence.
factual!! my 7900 xtx will be used another generation or 2 after the dust settles on RT etc im not going 8k anytime soon so 24gb should be good a long while when Nvidia is still shelling out 8gb cards in 2023....we are safe for some years ,I repasted mines for cooler temps, was so easy that I wish
i did it day 1
And a world of hell when it comes to actual coding? If you are that serious about GPGPU, you would know what CUDA really offers. Tons of libraries, good integration and lots of education materials. Prepare to spend days on issues that CUDA could resolve in 30 minutes.
And let's be real: you aren't buying a consumer GPU to do 64bit stuff. It is barely faster than doing it in CPU, and BOTH manufacturers make sure you can't use consumer GPUs to do scientific 64 bit stuff. Prepare to pay big bucks if you want decent 64bit performance.
@@dat_21 the 4090 does make a hell of a "prosumer" card though. Did you know you can switch the vram into ECC mode in the cp? Slows it slightly.
@@jemborg That's a nice feature. Is it only for 4090 or for whole 4000 lineup?
i code for a living as well and i went for the 4090 just for having 15% more fps.
(and beeing able to learn a little about ai i guess.. so that i can deduct it from taxes haha)
i feel like this is a major bottleneck rn.
and yes i feel silly about having to spend an additional 50% for a 15% improvement but there is no alternative.. so yeah get rekt dumb me.
the 7900xtx is my favorite too and i am looking forward seeing amd at the top for the next upgrade.
and yes there would have been no way in hell i could have justified that if it wasnt a work related expense
7900 xtx does enough for me at the $800 I paid for it ....I could buy another xtx for a 2nd system and get a mega ton of work done for the $1600 Nvidia wants
I'd rather have a $600 GPU and a $1000 OLED than a 4090.
@@BlackJesus8463 because you are a smart shopper, ppl get mismatched gear just thinking of the glorious parts , but the whole image is made by a mix, I recently brought a cheap controller and was like wait, I brought $1k TV , $1k GPU etc to buy a cheap controller? Nope gotta keep it consistent lol I will be buying official controller and just eat the cost
Here is what I think of RTX 40 Series lineup. The 4080 has solid performance but is insultingly overpriced and should be $900 at most. The 4080 should have used the full AD103 chip as well. The 4070 Ti is ok but could definitely be better and should be cheaper. The 4090 is a phenomenal GPU but is still slightly too expensive for what it offers in my opinion. The 4060, 4060 Ti and 4070 are beyond a joke. They have received alot of criticism due to lackluster hardware upgrades and even had some downgrades in certain specs. There is plenty of space for an RTX 4080 Ti and RTX 4090 Ti.
The 40 series was the biggest intergenerational performance increase across the board from Nvidia in over 10 years, but was also the biggest intergenerational price increase in the history of GeForce GTX/RTX. The 4070ti was originally the 4080 12gb and was going to cost $100 more, but Nvidia saw how badly it was torn apart. Nvidia got REALLY greedy this generation.
I got the 4080... BUT only because it was on sale for about the same price as a 7900xtx at the time.
Buying the 7900xtx wasn't going to save me money, and I valued RTX and DLSS plus Nvidia in general for drivers etc.
If I had 1000$AUD more I could have got a 4090.
And if I was running 4k and not 1440p, the extra VRAM may have been more important to me
@@technewb8241 it's not so much that Nvidia was alone in this.
They saw the 4080 as not only a LOT cheaper than a 3090ti but also 25% faster.
However when AMD flops this hard, and simply cuts prices and reorders the stack to hide the bad performance, it makes Nvidia who managed to hit its performance targets and wants full price, look bad as though they went high.
When really AMD just had no choice but to go low.
The 7900xtx 24gb is meant to compete with the 4090, flopped, and is now lower than a 4080 in price.
And we are dumb enough to call that "generous".
Let's say you make a 10/10 car for $50k, I make a shitter car so just charge 40k.
Then the audience is like "wow their top model is much cheaper, and even beats their mid range car which is about the same price".
Which is a fair call to make, but it doesn't necessarily mean "Nvidia is greedy" so much as it means "by contrast, AMD have no option to be the opposite of greedy this time"
@@technewb8241TLDR: AMD still gotta sell this crap somehow
@@GregoryShtevensh this is what gets me. AMD announced that they weren't trying to compete with the 4090 before launching any of the 7000 series GPUs. They've now publicly declared that they are not going to be developing high-end cards in the near future. Nvidia has held an effective monopoly over the high-end gpu market, but AMD has given them complete control. I see people saying that they will wait for the 50 series, not realizing that Nvidia has a stranglehold over the market. They could launch a 5080 at $2k with a 10% improvement over the 4090, and charge $3k for a 5090. I mean, why wouldn't they? Nvidia doesn't give a single fuck about gamers, and haven't for years. There's no reason why Jensen couldn't walk on stage, say "buy it or go fuck yourself", then sell them as AI Accelerators if gamers don't bite. 40 series really could be the last generation of 'competitive' pricing, which should scare the shit out of people given the 50% price hike that the 40 series got.
Still enjoying my 3070 @ 1440p with modern games, with everything on a blend of ultra and high, getting anywhere from 60-120 fps. The upgrade itch is starting to surface but it's ignorable.. for now.
u can argue the 4090 is a longterm investment. Hell , its even more powerful than the gpus thats gonna be in the nextgen consoles comming in 2028
6950XT ftw
You haven’t lived untill you have played cyberpunk at 4k, everything ultra, ray tracing etc at 120 hz on a 55inch OLED
80-class should be the best chips and anything above that should be reserved for golden sample bins. If the process gets better the prices should go lower.
That 80 is a 4070ti, a real 80 has 12800 cude cores, just like the qutro this gen.
@@johngray3449 I don't know about that. Designating a number of cores to a tier is an arbitrary limitation. They don't even know the performance of the chip until its already made so a lot of the design is based on cost and how much they think they can get for it regardless of actual performance.
They are locked into a price per performance metric that hasn't changed in 15 years. If you do a little math you can see that they expect a certain amount of money for a performance measurement. They decided on that model a very long time ago and that is why they invented DLSS to counteract their own internal politics. It's also why 4K gaming was so cost-prohibitive to the consumer. The only thing that's going to change their course is actual competition.
@@rotaryphoton137 They're not locked into a value metric bruh. lol You'd have to ignore the last 15 years to come up with something like that!
i think 1600 for the best gpu on the market is way to cheap, by a long shot.
i would love to game on my 8k display at good framerates and highest settings but i cant.
sure the price to performance ratio gets worse once you are on the highest end but it is the same everywhere.
my tesla is just a little bit slower then a porsche but costs half.
does this mean that the porsche is overpriced? i dont think so, i think its quite the opposite actually.
we are talking about the highest end product you can get for one of the biggest markets in the world and in this case i can perfectly understand that 1.6k is nothing.
not saying that it is cheap, its very expensive.
my bigger issue is that everyone thinks they are entitled to the best gpu for some reason, no one seems that they are entitled to a high end car etc.
its weird..
TY
Calm down guys, when battlemage releases we will all be a happy team blue family :3
It’s way overpriced for what you’re getting
ikr. it does nothing unique but report higher numbers than the next best GPU.
Lol the state of some of the comments on here, feels like one person with 10 accounts posting about how he creams himself every time he looks at his 4090.
lol ikr
Every generation of tech, depending on when the product is slated for release typically has to make a choice between getting to its goals by brute force or elegance. The 4090 is kind of a brute force card this round. It does the job though. I bought it for PCVR and all I require is for it to drive two 4K screens simultaneously at 90fps and whoever can do that wins.
You know real life is VR too, maybe even more virtual. lol
@@BlackJesus8463 Yes, that is why I call the 4090 a brute force card. It lets you brute-force though the virtual layer to see what's on the other side--something you can only begin to perceive at frequencies above 120Hz in VR. It's a wonderous land whose boundaries are that of...., uh, or maybe more like the awe and mystery which reaches from the inner mind to the... Well, its something like that.
@@daviddahlstrom192 How would you know? 4090 can't push those numbers unless you dial the quality way down. hardly brute force
@@BlackJesus8463 but life has its limitations, the cost of travel is huge, both in time and effort.
the cost of play is steeper as well.. you cant argue that a simulation is the more cost effective way of living
Oh its up, its up 👍 good stuff.
Its not as reliable as people think.
At least you get a decent amount more performance for more money, instead of like 5-10% more performance for 50-100% more money like when Titan cards existed.
They had to take performance from lower tiers to justify the price though. At least they felt like they had to.
Buy once cry once. You can keep a 4090 around a ton longer than a 4070 will be relevant. I love my 4090. Plenty powerful for everything I do and runs very cool and quiet compared to my old 3090
But a 3090 will also last long long long, just like my 1080 lasting and still going.
i agree the 4090 is awsome to have. I also got a 2080ti system in my living room and that is still going strong i get 120fps @ 1440p in most games with tweeked settings the top of the line cards do last a lot longer. Everyone complains about part prices i save £100 a month and build a system with the best parts every 4 years
TBF they'll both last only as long as Nvidia supports them with driver updates. ✌
So what you say is: I keep my GPU until the new generation comes out... (3090 to 4090 equals 1gen) and you want us to tell you can keep a 4090 a lot longer than anyting else?
What you really mean is: You spend some 1500+ bucks every 2.5 year just to have the top of the line.
I bet you never did a propper assessment of what you really need and how long an optimal solution can be used until it has to be upgraded.
Never buy top-end "because it lasts longer before you have to upgrade". That argument makes no sense. Top end cards always come with a price premium, and depreciate much faster in value than everything below them. You're also paying a premium for a performance level which is probably total overkill in most of the games you play. It's generally much better to buy lower-high-end, or upper mid-range, and just upgrade more often. You end up getting equal or better performance on average over time, and you spend a lot less money, especially after accounting for how much cost you can recoup by re-selling your old graphics card each time, and you also use less electricity as well.
Unfortunately, the 4070 ti is also a poor value for what it is, but the 4070 is pretty good, especially now that the price is down to 550.
This is exactly what happened.
how do you avoid the power supply melting issue? i want to get a 4090 asus tuff. Don't want to wait until more cards are out
Plug it all the way in and don't bend the cable too hard when you close the case.
I have that 4090 and the Tuff PSU with 12v cable. What last guy said plug it in "all the way" don't bench the cable near the plug. Had mine for 6 months now no issues.
What those guys said. 6 months no issues.
I find mine quite enjoyable to play computer games on.
I usually build my PC up to the max every two+ generations of hardware, but it's becoming too much to justify the cost. Now it's not even the hardware alone you need to keep up with. Everything's coming out with new ways to communicate, render, rasterize, etc where a good majority of performance boosting/nerfing is flipped on/off by a switch in the drivers/bios.
The 4090 has the raw power to last for years, but wait till the 5000-6000 series hit. With talks of hardware developers focusing on AI rendering and software enhancements, I wouldn't be surprised if distant future hardware upgrades won't be dragged out or replaced by $2000+ DLC's pretty much.
Just look how DLSS 3 was all front and center for the 4000 series, but now DLSS 3.5 is for all RTX cards? Tell me that had nothing to do with the number of people that just didn't bother and got a discount or used 3000 series over the last couple of years.
Not to mention most developers don't even think twice about optimization anymore with all the horsepower out there on the market. That's a partnership made in heaven right there if your main goal is to just completely take the consumer for everything they have.
i wouldnt be suprised if we see a 10k+ consumer card in a few years.
the 4090 is surely expensive for personal consumption but if the target audience is FAANG, struggleing to keep up with the latest ai, its nothing with a bank of $200bn
tbh i am totaly for it, i would love to play at 240fps on a 8k device.
at this point i would just trade my car for a gpu and call it a day lol
if u buy the 4090 u never have to upgrade ur gpu agani
I went top of the stack AMD. The Gucci card just isn't worth it to me.
As long as it runs its a good buy, not looking to play my games at 10k to have an eyegasm...
Now I need to know why my AMD card starts having a seizure if I run it at 165hz...
I tell people all the time for reliability Nvidia, cheap and broke AMD GPUs...
I think the rdna 3 at the moment is a software flop
What are you talking about? Currently on 3080ti but adrenaline is miles ahead of Nvidia control panel that is still stuck in the 90s.. fsr3 does in software what dlsss3 requires dedicated hardware for even non Nvidia gpus
Love my 4090 and 7900xtx i spend too much on pc hardware 🤔
Lol Me too brother. I have the same issue. I love 'em both though and I got a great deal on the XTX at least. I regret nothing.
@@Kryptic1046 yea got the xtx i wanted a nitro but didn’t have much choice on the 4090 got a gaming oc 4090 at launch but its also been great.
@@ChadKenova - Lol Again same deal here. I got the Gaming OC 4090 because it's the only one Microcenter had in stock at the time. But I ended up liking it so much that I bought the Gaming OC XTX too. They've both been great.
@@Kryptic1046 my only problem now is i put my 7900xtx in a x470 crosshair vii mb with a 5950x and i put 2 nvme ssd’s in it and i forgot if you populate the top nvme slot on the board it goes down to pcie gen3 4x which is killing my performance if it was gen 4 i would be ok. Im gonna switch some gpu’s around i have a x570 crosshair viii board with a 5800x3d and a ftw3 3080ti gonna swap gpu’s around or i thought about getting a 7800x3d and a new board but my 4090 is paired with a 7950x3d. I also picked up a laptop recently and man i can believe how powerful these laptops cpu’s are getting i got a 13900hk. Its faster than a 12900k desktop which is crazy. And the gaming oc 4090 runs very cool,quiet and I can’t believe how efficient it can be. I think my 4090 is more efficient on average than my xtx but pushing both too their max the 90 might pull more wattage. And the nitro pulls way more watts than a reference model it has 3x8 pin power connectors. Still figuring out the best way to oc the xtx. I just got sick of all these pc games running like crap on med tier hardware so i went all in this generation.
Nice try, but the RTX 4090 rocks!
You said you think the Stack is fine on the AMD on the AMD side? I don't. I think the 7900XT should be no than $600 maybe $630 tops and the 7900XTX should be $800 maybe $850 For the Red Devil and Toxic premium cards. AMD still too expensive at the top of the stack. I don't understand how the 7800XT is selling so well but, Hey ppl are stupid and shouldn't be trusted. Good video tho. Ready to see part 2.
A $700 7900XT is 1:1 value increase over the 7800XT. Let that sink in.
@@BlackJesus8463 Naw Im good. And other ppl feel the same way. It needs to be cheaper. Simple and Plain.
"People are stupid and shouldn't be trusted because they are buying a 7800xt." That's some funny shit.
@@tstager1978 I mean the dumb azzes could've had the same performance given (5/10%) for 2 years now. But go on genius.
@@NBWDOUGHBOY I understand that people are stupid, I just don't understand why they can't be trusted. Also, they could have had that same performance, but not on release day at that price. I am more curious about the trustworthiness of these buyers though.
Would one buy a 4090 if one would have acquired a 3090 before?
My Samsung galaxy G9. That’s a very demanding 4K monitor in 240hz.
no
Ada is extremely disappointing. That is why Nvidia have the chips screaming at Vrel with zero headroom.
Nvidia BAD...
🤣😂
😜😜
Bruh. AMD doesn't care if you live or die. You don't need to fight their war in the comment section. 🙄
@@BlackJesus8463 Case in point 🤣. What an Idiot.
Better than rdna3
bruh, nVidia don't care if you live or die. You don't need to fight their battles in the comments section.
WATCH THE Vid has nothing to do with what u think it has to do with !
And a lot more expensive too! 😂👍
4090 is powerfull beast,but 4080 and lower is just a disappointment product
The 4080 was the big disappointment that made the 4090 the only exciting product of the generation, if you can afford it. 3090 was a joke but 4090 is legit. The whole 40 series is a joke, only the 4090 is a big upgrade over the 30 series. I absolutely love mine but I can only afford it because I worked hard on my accounting career for 15 years and have no kids. The average gamer got hosed this generation. Every sku should have been 20% faster or 20% cheaper...or both
I mean sure? But I have a pretty solid experience with it for Pathtracing Cyberpunk 4k. Sure you can argue "not real frames" or whatever. It just feels good to play. I am coming from Pascal. So I wouldn't say it's great going from 30 series to 40 series. But that's true for even AMD. Generally you skip at least 1 generation if you want solid improvements.
Theres no reason to believe pathtracing will get easier with newer games so this is probably peak 4090 for that.
@@BlackJesus8463Same logic applies to all GPUs, no? They all grow obsolete to the newer. But the difference is night and day. I saw a Tachi 7900 XTX perform 7 fps pathtracing pulling OVER 500 watts. I've undervolted my 4090 to pull roughly 280 watts (give or take 20 watts, depends on the game). It plays 20 fps average under exact same settings. This of course is without using Ray Reconstruction or anything similar. Also RR is being implemented to UE5. So it's odd to think that PT won't get easier when they literally made a new driver a few days ago bypassing denoising for Nvidia's own...that by definition is making it easier. Now you can argue that there may be 5 games that can truly make use of Path Tracing to the extent of Cyberpunk by the time the 4090 is obsolete, 2 or so generations from now. But you can't argue AMD hasn't shown a proper response. That's the biggest issue. AMD needs to compete, not play catch up and when Nvidia makes something new, a year or so later AMD does the exact same thing but worse... (DLSS to FSR, DLSS 3 w/ frame gen, to AMD's frame gen)
@@peternash7104 That's not even playable. Sure it'll get easier for devs to impliment but the performance is capped by the hardware. They're not just going to pull 150% out of their 4$$ so you can get 30 frames.
@proprietarycurez8463 you act like it's a console. There's settings. In fact, most big titles at the highest settings follow your logic of high cost and low market. Since when did the gaming industry make their highest settings have acceptable performance for mid range cards? There's way too much evidence for the opposite. Hell the latest UE5 game First Descendant doesn't even have RR, it's still beta. Yet people with mid range cards struggle. So your argument is the ideal, not reality.
@@BlackJesus8463 That's not actually true. The RTX 40 series still has some tech included that has not yet been used to speed up ray tracing. Look up Opacity Micromaps (OMM).
Well duh it's always a fkn scam with Nshitia
Bruh. AMD doesn't care if you live or die. You don't need to fight their war in the comment section. 🙄
@@NBWDOUGHBOY I don't give a crap about AMD. Never mentioned them. Edit: Dumbass
Been happy with my 4090 - got a 32" 4K 144Hz monitor and there's not a game that's run under that in mostly high and ultra settings *shrug*, And I'm still running a 9900K!
Can you see the pixels on a 1440p screen at your norrmal viewing distance because the only good thing about 4K is all the visual enhancement the industry standardized to come with it. color, HDR, variable refresh, things like that. It's not just better because its 4K. I mean you have to sit ridiculously close or something else to justify it.
Upgrading from 1080 FE to 2080ti FE to 3080ti felt meh each upgrade- until I got a 4090FE. God tier card. Now I think my 5800x3d is bottlenecking it at 1440p lol.
Maybe the car analogy works here that people who talk smack about a high HP car never experienced driving it.
Just imagine, I went from a GTX 1080 + 6700K to a RTX 4090 + 7950X3D!
Ha, my 1080 was paired with a 6700k too!
@@superpandabacon Your 5800X3D is bottlenecking the card at 1440P for sure. Even my CPU regularly does not max out my RTX 4090 at 1440P.
@@nossy232323 Yep, my cpu gets up to a warm 80c while the 4090's just casually strolling at 60c with util 50% lol
What a load of crap. All you have to do is look how much faster Nvidias high end card is vs AMDs to release how fast the 4090 is.
Just because the 4090 is the best value 40 series card, does not make it a good value, its just saying, of all these turds, this is the best turd.
Look at the replacement to the 3060 12GB, apparently people wer upset with $330.
But the replacement at $800, or $600 depending on how you measure it.
It also depends on how you define value, if you measure the specs per dollar, the 4090 is better than the 4070TI
But cost per frame the 4070TI is better because the 4070TI is heavily overclocked from where it should be as a 60 class card, and the 4090 is reletively underclocked.(twice the card is only using 50% more power)
wow i hv tge same exact thought bro.😊 that 4070 ti is highly overclocked n overpriced 4060 as per its 192bit.. what do yuh think abt 4080?
currently i hv i7 12700 non k and rtx 3070 FE. will b upgrading in jan 2024 after my warranty of 3070 got over. what's say
I think $1600 for a GPU is pretty damn pricey. I personally think it's too much. $1200 for the Premium GPU should be the highest price.
But, Im not mad at ppl that bought the 4090. They wanted the best and they got it. If you compare it to the 3090 it's like 80% faster for the same money and considering alot of ppl didn't get a 3090 because of the mining boom and Covid.
The 4090 looked like a Steal Of a Deal. I get it. The only thing is it's not just $1600 you have to pay. You have to buy a Larger Power Supply. You need a Bigger Case. You need a Faster CPU. It draws more power so your Power bill is going up. Its alot that comes with the 4090 that doesn't come with the 7900XTX.
I can see it both ways honestly.
$1,200 was the price for the 2080 Ti but since NVIDIA saw that they can get away with selling a $1,500 3090 they continued increasing the prices and that's why the 4090 is $1,600.
4090 would've been like $1,300 if the 3090 had not sell for $1,500.
@@laszlozsurka8991 But 3090 was selling for like $3000 though. 🤣🤣
@@laszlozsurka8991 That's true. But the 3090 numbers were inflated because alot of ppl bought them more mining or during the mining boom because it was the only car you could get that wasn't inflated very far past its MSRP. I mean from a business standpoint, You can't argue that Nvidia is making smart decisions on the high end but, I personally think they would sell more if they dropped the price slightly but that's just me.
@@BlackJesus8463 The mining crypto boom doesn't count. 3090 was $1,500 MSRP and would've been $1,200 if they stick to the 2080 Ti pricing.
@@NBWDOUGHBOY NVIDIA developed such a market monopoly that they can get away with whatever pricing. If they'll sell the 5090 for $2,500 they'll probably get away with. Look at the 4070 Ti, it costs $800 which is outrageous for a 70 class card yet they got away with it.
They'll sell because of the amount of market share they have.
the architecture is better then you think, the good thing about nvidia vs rdna2 is the fact that nvidia's cache is closer to the core, and @ a lower level. IMO amd should put more lower level cache near the cores rather then 6mb i think they used on big full die, then they have higher level cache(infinity fabric) off die. Nvidia basically big boyed AMD and paid to put all the cache on the die on 5nm, and they also have GDDRX and AMD is on GDDR, So amd never stood a chance.
stood a chance at what exactly? read the guys comment above yours..... nvidia buyers drink the kool aid and believe its best thing like Apple or Tesla fans because of great marketing jargon, AMD cards are great for gaming! workloads too it just depends on what like anything in life ,Idc even AMD agrees they are subpar, My gaming exp plus pockets are happy, plus Like buddy above you My 7900 xtx does some workloads better than the 4090 for me, so again better at what exactly and for whom?
@@DonaldHendleyBklynvexRecords Its just better, nvidia faster at gaming, faster @ RT better perf/watt, better features ~rtx voice and others, historically better drivers. And a better architecture, not some money saving chiplet design that doesn't compete compute unit to compute unit. A 4080 has 76 SM or compute units and a 7900xtx has 96 sm, and amd is like 3% faster in raster or even with it, and gets stomped in RT. and thats not even the 4090 which stomps it. a 3090 RT's as good or better then the 7900xtx and thats nvidia last gen 82 CU vs rdna2 with 96. So yea... amd not a bad card, they just don't stand a chance vs nvidia........
I spent $1900 on a 3090 FE in 2021 when I built my first PC. I got the 4090 FE for $1360 and genuinely got twice the performance of my 3090. I game at 4K, and I'm really happy with it
How did you get a 4090 for $1360
@@RustyDurant I'm retired military, which gives me access to a tax-free shop. They gave me an additional 15% discount for opening a credit card with them
So? The 4090 is still the most impressive generational leap since the GTX 1060 which was 72% faster than the GTX 960.
So? The 4090 is still the most impressive generation gimp since the GTX 1060 which was 72% faster than the GTX 960.
@@BlackJesus8463 WTF are you talking about?
@@laszlozsurka8991I think super poop, winning poop, idk I see curez everywhere so I gave them a nickname, is saying that the 4090 could/should have been more powerful for the price.
Now you are paying a premium for a product that was intentionally held back because reasons.
@@laszlozsurka8991 lol just that its cut down at all and for $1600 ✌
@UnrealStutterEngine Yep, that's why Pascal was a good generation. Imagine if we got the 4090 for the price of the 3080, everyone would've flipped their shit.
Nintendo held off the Switch Pro, for Nvidia’s current 4000 series love lake. Thats how good Nvidia are, nobody held product for arc, or amd
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Yeah, they could've made the die bigger but then it would be more expensive because you get less dies out of a wafer the bigger they are. Of course AMD could've made a faster GPU, but it would've been priced as a faster GPU too. I don't think transistor counts/density are relevant. What's relevant is performance/dollar and perf/watts. It doesn't matter if they make their dies out of alien voodoo magic that uses 10 transistors spread across a square inch if it pwnz everything else on the market in terms of perf/dollar. Transistor count/density is just not relevant. AMD used to be known for having the wide bus that was clocked slower, while Nvidia had the simpler arch that was clocked higher. Nowadays, they're pretty much clocked the same between Nvidia/AMD and they're just making other architectural decisions and using different driver optimization strategies, like how many transistors to devote to ray intersection testing cores vs AI cores vs shader cores, etc...
The real travesty is the embarrassingly huge cooler on the 4090 and huge power usage. They could've done the same thing to their GPUs 10-15 years ago: shove 500 watts through the silicon and put a comically huge cooler on it to dissipate all those watts into the surrounding air. The reason they didn't was a very good one: it's stupid. It's the opposite of progress. Are they going to start making phones bigger and fatter too just to get more performance out of them? No, because it's stupid. Optimality is smaller with less power usage. They HAD to shove 500 watts through the 4090 to make it look as good as it does compared to a 3090, but what's their strategy with the 5090 to maintain the generation-over-generation "improvement" in performance? Shove 600 watts through it and slap a 6-slot cooler on there? They really boxed themselves in by playing the "lets just shove more power through it and slap a fatty cooler on there" because they can't keep doing that. Now they'll be lucky to get a decent perf increase with a 5090 because they're pretty much stuck making it the same size as the 4090. They can't go smaller, or they'll lose the amount of power they can shove through it!
I'm glad AMD didn't succumb to such lame strategies, but they've been dropping the ball too in their GPU department for 3-4 generations now. Remember their "Make some noise" promo with the "Poor Volta(ge)" easter egg??? How embarrassing. That didn't end up working out, did it AMD? They really need to bust out a Zen type comeback in their GPU division because it's getting exhausting how lame their GPUs have been.
It was looking like a 4070 was the best upgrade I could hope for during the holidays soon, but then the 7800XT was gonna drop and I was excited that maybe it could compete. After all, it's a hundred dollars cheaper MSRP! Then the specs come out and it's basically the same exact PCB as the 6800XT. I was very disappointed. Raytracing perf didn't improve on the 6800XT either, just rasterization performance.
Oh well.
I still think its a massive shame Nvidia overpriced this gen so much, the 4090 may have been the top dog, but the melting power connectors was insane... the most overlooked card has become the 4080, which is a shame, as a gfx card it was very good, and had none of the issues the 4090 had... as a card it had great performance, lower power draw, really good 4k gaming performance. It was simply that insane pricing that means its become the unmentioned card...
ye but u also have to realize TSMCs new node is twice as expensive as the previous samsung node they used for the 3000 series
It surely is NOT. The colors seem less vivid, and the graphics just don't pop like they do with the 6800xt. The little details in foliage, the finer things just don't seem to have the same definition. Im going back to AMD next go around.
Color filtering is one of Nvidia's only real strengths because you can do it in the driver,,, once you sign-in. 🤣🤣
@@BlackJesus8463 Strength? I don't think so, Tim.
@@stevensmith6445 You're trapped in some bad karma bro. get help.
@@BlackJesus8463 That makes no sense. You make no sense.
4090 is best card ever made. Period. I do have FE Edition and I cannot be more happier. Card is cool and quiet. Pricey but worth every penny for me.
Sounds like you are compensating for something.🤣
@@DimythiosBruh. AMD doesn't care if you live or die. You don't need to fight their war in the comment section. 🙄
Its not, but its the best card this gen, but not when factoring in the price. at 1100 bucks i can see your point, otherwise, go to hell.
@@Thor_Asgard_Obviously I mean best gpu ever made till now. I know is cost a lot but it deliver great performance.
@@Dimythios Are You trying to be funny or what ?
i cant take you serious when you mix up millions and billions.....
Mixing up numbers, reading process node sizes incorrectly as well. He has been gaining tons of weight and spitting all over the place when he talks now. I don't mean to poke fun but seems like something has gone wrong in his life.
@@Wr41thgu4rd I've told him on two seperate occasions that fasting will fix every ailment he complains of and he ignored me both times.
Nice try, but the 4090 has been proven to be in a league of it's own. If anything your video proves that the 4090 is the only card worth it to buy this generation.
You clearly don't understand the relation between transistor density, die size and density. please talk about topics you understand.
OK genius whats the difference between density and transistor density and how does that affect die size? lol
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