Counterpoint if the puppet was just the mimic, why would Henry talk to it as if it was Charlie he specifically says my daughter and talks to it like it has a soul
Good point! If I had to give a reason for this, either he is very sentimental toward the Mimic because it still acts like his daughter or it's a similar situation to the Glitchtrap theory I hear in the community right now. The theory basically says that Glitchtrap isn't the Mimic program that learned from William but instead is the remaining essence of William combining with the Mimic code and high jacking it. Thanks for commenting, and I hope you enjoyed the video!
@@TerminalError of course it's William. I know Scott likes to "explain" misunderstood stuff but HOW were we supposed to know who the Mimic is? Up until now, the books weren't too important to canon, just showed some parallels, and now we're supposed to look for a book that wasn't released until later for answers? Plus it doesn't make sense with Glitchtrap saying "I always come back", when would the Mimic have heard William use that phrase? Plus the bunny imagery, it's shown not to be picky with its costumes, why would it insist on portraying itself as a rabbit? Specifically Spring Bonnie? It "learned from William": that suit was probably used ONCE by him, if at all, because William clearly didn't care about possible springlock failures (the Spring Bonnie animatronic still being moved after the ban), so why the replacement suit? It could've easily "dressed up" as Spring Bonnie himself. I guess the same question could be asked about William, but maybe he kinda grew resentful of that form, even if he returned to it in SB. Plus the fire worked. The Blob is an algamation of remnant, not Funtime Freddy, it just uses the mask for convenience, I think. Plus the Baby/Scrap Baby plushies are all from VR, Baby is NOT active anymore. William only managed to come back through the Glitchtrap virus. Also why Glitchtrap? Malhare was also an option, the -trap suffix is reserved for William, Plushtrap being one of his experiments (plus a finger trap, if the books are to be believed). Like tell me Scott wanted to mislead us without telling me Scott wanted to mislead us. Either that or Steelwool did the retcon becuase of backlash
Yes, I've heard about it. Matpat brings it up in his theories. I don't believe it, but I know something is wrong with that bear and could ve swayed if we got more evidence.
9:30 henry says in the end of pizza sim when buring the building down, i willbe remaining too.. or maybe the police found his body and revived him? Which is not very likely
Henry saying he will remain close by and saying he's in the building as well are 2 separate things. I think Scott kept the wording vague so he could bring Henry back if he wanted to. Like the guy only shows up in the games for this one game, and then dying just feels wrong, especially in a game with haunted animatronics.
Disclaimer: I'm not remotely qualified enough to actually theorize on this franchise. With that being said; no, I don't think the Puppet falls to mimic anything. I don't even think it could've seen what happended since it was trapped in the box and only got out after Charlie has already been offered the british treatment. Also, I'm not sure if it falls because it's not powered, to be honest I never thought about what exactly it was powered by before Charlie came along. But I do think it falls due to the rain being bad. Its a Puppet after all, it doesn't have a casing like the other animatronics do, therefore the rain would probably be pretty lethal for it. As to how Lefty managed to capture the Puppet - i mean its right there on the blueprint. Bracelet code 93401233 is the code Charlie's bracelet emitted, i think? Well, long story short; Lefty was built to look like a child with a green bracelet to the puppet. Lefty was then able to capture her and used "Lullaby index 01" and "steady voltage" to keep her in. I therefore HIGHLY doubt it was trying to put on a new costume. Why would it chose a bear too? Anyway. The Mimic and the Puppet were built for completly different reasons and I, in my humble opinion, couldnt think of a way they're the same. The mimic was created to entertain David and learn from what it sees. The puppet on the other hand was built to protect kids (or Charlie at least). Why the mimic care for some random child and go out in the rain to mimic it dying the alley? It could've very well just decided to mimic literally any other child INSIDE the building. I won't get into the Security Breach stuff simply because my brain melts when I think about this games lore. Idk maybe your theory would make more sense to me if I'd actually knew stuff. Oh well. Great video tho, gets sub.
Thank you for the feedback and the sub! Also I definitely think you could be qualified to theorize about this franchise. It's confusing and there's a lot but you obviously know your stuff. On why it chose Charlie, I do think it's because it's set to look after the kid with the green bracelet like you said. Charlie was the one with the green bracelet, so that's why it chased after her (and for this theory mimicked her) in the alley. In the mini game, we also do see the puppet get out of the box before Charlie fades away from the window and her body is pretty far down the alley. I thought this was because William was strolling her down the alley maybe to promise to get her in the back door or something giving the puppet enough time to witness what happens. As of why the Mimic/puppet would choose to dress as a bear.. idk really. But I also don't know why it chooses what it wears in the books or in the ruin dlc. That's all I got for rebuttals. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@@TerminalError I know a reason that could explain why the Mimic chose a bear. Henry. Maybe the Mimic chose a bear cause he/she (does it have a gender?) saw Henry, its CREATOR, put on the yellow bear suit (maybe springlock but i dont know), cause correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure it is stated that Henry goes into the bear suit and William the bunny suit. So yeah, this is probably not true, but I'm just stating a possible reason.
You're right. Henry is stated to wear the fredbear suit in the books. Now, this would all depend on when you think the Mimic is made and if the Mimic/puppet ever makes its way to the fredbears location. I think there's a possibility that the Mimic sees Henry put the suit on, but the window is really tight.
@@TerminalError Do you think It's possible that the Mimic program or whatever runs the FNAF 4 Nightmares (if we go by the theory that FNAF 4 is testing or torture chambers)?
I feel like it is entirely possible, sense FNAF 4 ITSELF (not CC stuff technically) takes place not that early (ignore security breach, fnaf 6, fnaf 3), and maybe William stole a Mimic for the Nightmares like later he did with Hand Unit.
Puppet isn’t a Mimic It makes no sense Charlie is the Puppet the evidence is loose Cause taking of the “costume which survives till Fnaf 6 (at least) it’s a different animatronic
@@silverwolves1877That was a completely different music box, and that takes place before the Puppet existed(Secret of the Mimic is the earliest point we see in the entire FNAF timeline since it’s 1979, before any accidents required the safety of the Security Puppet) The Mimic also looked nothing like the Puppet as Jackie, there is zero intersection, and the entire theory relies on a presumption that Edwin is just a parallel to Henry when they have almost nothing in common(in fact I’d go as far to say that Edwin is more similar to William than Henry and even then he isn’t a parallel). It would also make no sense if Henry explicitly refers to the Puppet as his daughter, makes it clear he’s referring to the first victim of Afton, we outright know that the Mimic is possessed by Agony but has no soul the entire way through so it can’t be possessed by Charlie, and there is absolutely no overlap in the stories that would make it fit together. Also the Mimic would have no way or reason to create the Happiest Day, it would be actively destroying every other Animatronic because that’s an integral part of it’s story(which is used for absolutely everything in this theory except for it’s creator for some reason). In other words: absolutely into nothing. A mess of plot holes, logical leaps and questionable decisions are required just to get a jumbled and clunky connection to the story(especially since Henry actively makes it clear that he’s staying in the fire just like Michael and he doesn’t have immortality of any sort to survive), some of the most laughed at theories in the community(Mike Victim, Miketrap, and Phone Guy being Afton) were honestly still far better evidenced and made more sense than the Mimic being the Puppet
I'm not a huge believer of Edwin being a stand-in for Henry, but I have to say this is a very well put together video! The details of The Silver Eyes trilogy aren't all coming to me atm, but couldn't it be possible that Charlie in The Silver Eyes is a mimic program? It would explain how she had such a human-like personality. Anyways, great video!
Thank you! Also, I think books charlie could definitely be a Mimic, especially after watching RyeToast's theory about the sister location animatronics (or at the very least the ones in Help Wanted 2) possibly running on the Mimic program.
One thing is clear, The Mimic is a stronger and more hostile force than William. For mimic being an old endo, he’s very strong. Not only can he push over a Forklift like it’s nothing, he’s capable of crushing metal with just one hand. You can see that after he breaks off his right hand with his left hand. Overall, I’m excited to see where Steel Wool and Scott are gonna take The Mimic, and I’m excited for the Into the Pit Game. 😀👍 Edit: Your theory isn’t far off, but it’s hard to say exactly to if this theory is solid. 🤔🤷 Still, this isn’t a bad theory.
I'm not sure, or at least I don't think we've gotten an answer for it. My assumption is that they didn't look because cops wouldn't know or might not be trained to look inside of an animatronic (like as a real life example, I dont think they would look under your car or at the engine unless they suspected something was wrong with your car). But we can also use the fact that in security breach, Vanessa could somehow convince the police to turn away from the pizzaplex when they were getting calls from someone in the pizzaplex so maybe fazbear has some power over the police somehow? Just something I thought of kinda quickly.
@@TerminalError Then that wouldn't explain why the police started to investigate in the first place if Fazbear has some sort of power over the police. To be fair, it was the 90s (or 80s i dont know), and people weren't really.. bright, if you know what i mean. So maybe that didn't look cause they never thought about it.
Good point. I guess they could've just not thought about it. Although I would think that might be an easy place to think to look since the old springlock suits were made to hold people.
I did change what I thought but not to attack your beliefs. No, the police wouldn't be trained to check the inside of an animatronic but after thinking about it a little longer, this is a company that either started with suits you climb into or was at least related to the company that did have suits that do that. When thinking of just the animatronics, I thought that they wouldn't be trained or even think to check inside the suits. But after thinking about the springlocks and possibly even regular suits, I realized that the cops might think the animatronics act similarly to the springlocks or regular suits and want to check inside. Now I think the only reason they wouldn't check inside the suits is either because they couldn't or were told they couldn't.
This will probably never be seen so I’m not going to go into detail but there are numerous things wrong with this. The timeline doesn’t add up because the Mimic predates the Puppet timeline wise, every individual detail about the story in FNAF 6 confirms that Charlie is the puppet while we know for a fact the Mimic doesn’t have a soul possessing it, and the Mimic would have no reason to trigger the Happiest Day and free the souls from the Animatronics when it’s big thing in the first epilogue is that it breaks Animatronics down limb from limb. Not to mention that just like every other theory about the Mimic, it cherry-picks what details to take from the books and treat as canon, such as dismissing Edwin as a Henry parallel when they have almost nothing in common and are very different characters(especially funny how people make this argument because Henry and William are also parallels and yet they both exist in canon).
I dont think we've seen the Mimic steal any parts from other animatronics other than the shells/costumes, but I do like this theory! I might have to dig more into the books to find other similarities.
This actually makes sense ya Henry’s daughter soul was in the puppet but we have to remember before this happened the puppet was programmed differently. So once Her soul was free the mimic could do what it was programmed to do again at the fullest. And this also makes since why in the new trailer the mimic is in a box just like the puppet
my theory is that Henry's wife died earlier in the timeline, and since he had to work while Charlie was at home Henry manage to get some endo skeleton parts that remained in the fall-fest fire of 1983 and some old sound chips that were used to play voice lines and created the mimic, and it worked Charlie had a lot of fun playing around with the robot while the mimic learned a lot from those experiences very fast... but then Charlie dies. just like in the book's henry sees the mimic mimicking his daughter and destroyed it out of anger, taking a page out of dual process theory he was then framed and convicted for killing 5 kids, while he either served his sentence or escaped, Fazbear entertainment went to his house to confiscate all of the stuff related to Fazbear, someone then found the mimic in a broken mess and fixed it, giving it legs and the rest is history . while I do think henry created the mimic, I don't believe the mimic is the puppet, I feel it just doesn't work... also how can the mimic float?!
So what you’re saying that the puppet isn’t Charlie then? So Henry addresses his daughter in the end was for nothing? How could the puppet have given life to the MCI kids if it was just the mimic? You see the problem with this right? Or did you just gloss over some of the most important parts of the puppet and its inclusion within the story.
Not at all! I think the puppet is very much still Charlie. If anything, I think we are losing Charlie as the mimic learns more from its environment. I do get how it sounds like that since I didn't touch on the possession side of things, but I do think Charlie is still in there somewhere. But to counterpoint for the sake, the puppet bringing life back to the mci kids could have been the mimic using its AI to study the kids before death and putting what it learned from them into the other animatronics. It's a lot less fun than kids' spirits stuffed, but it is an explanation to further the theory
@Mr.bla1 I would disagree. I feel this would bring back a very important character to the franchise that, up to this point, only had one thing to do. That being giving life to the MCI kids. After that, the puppet seems to have little importance to the story and only seems to show up for Easter eggs (fnaf 3 hallucination, nightmarionette, lefty, nightmare staff bots). I feel my theory gives more importance and layers to the puppet with it attempting to claw back to power since being trapped in Pizzeria Sim. Sorry for the long response, I hope it made sense, and thanks for commenting!
@Mr.bla1 I do agree it's goofy they keep bringing afton back, but with Afton, the Blob, and now Circus/Scrap Baby all returning in some way in security breach/ruin, it wouldn't make sense to not bring back the puppet in some way. I can only imagine with all the puppet imagery around the pizzaplex, the puppet has to be pulling strings in the shadows somehow. What better than having it literally hiding locked away under the pizzaplex.
The Puppet in FNAF 3 isn’t a hallucination. The Puppet is the only “Fantom” with a reflection. I think the reflection means its somehow “more real” than the other Fantoms
I want to say before 83 since the books reference it being made when the other animatronics were being upgraded from suits to animatronics. I would like more evidence from the games since the books aren't yet confirmed to be in the same timeline (also just feels wrong putting more advanced technology before the fnaf 1 animatronics). As for a timeline, I would like to do one ESPECIALLY because Fall Fest is getting teased more and more and feels like it's gonna be crucial to the timeline. But I might want to do another theory video or 2 before attempting a timeline.
I personally don't think his name is Evan. I wasn't planning on making a theory on that, but that's because I wasn't thinking about it. I'll put it on my video idea list as a future project! It might take time, though, if I have to work with ciphers and everything else in the survival guidebook.
@@TerminalError Yeah everyone focuses on the survival logbook for some reason, why not look for evidence in the FIRST introduction of The Crying Child. FNAF 4. And you could also consider the stuff that is in that time period.
I think everyone looks to the book because of the puzzle that got us Cassidy's name (and I think someone else but I can't remember right now). I also think Scott stated that the crying child's name is in the book(don't quote me on that), but fnaf 4 would be another great place to look, so I might have to start there and not give myself a headache with the book lol.
I noticed a couple things I wanna point out. Firstly, and the weakest thing I have to say since it's tied to a piece of merch, and we all know the merch can be a bit... Ehh sometimes. Be there's a piece of merch that has the puppet attempting to free itself from Lefty. Despite the fact that we have no canon evidence of this, I just wanted to bring it up. Secondly, the puppet we see in 3 is actually real. You can see the reflection in the floor, and it doesn't look burned like the other phantoms. While I believe the phantom puppet is a hallucination, I thing the one you can see in the cameras is real, based on the fact that when it moves (I may be wrong here), you can no longer see the mask on the wall in the one camera. Lastly, in the minigame in 6, you can see sparks coming off of the puppet as it trudges through the rain, how the hell it maintains its ability to float even once it's off the rails is beyond me, but you can see it start sparking as it shuts down. Still a very interesting theory nevertheless, and it actually gives a reason for the mimic to have just sprouted out of absolutely nowhere in the games' continuity.
Thank you! I'm glad you liked the theory! I'm glad someone else is a bit bothered that the Mimic currently just spawns into existence essentially. While I feel like Scott and Steel Wool could get away with it, I think it makes it so much more interesting having it be a character that almost follows fazbear entertainment. As for the things you pointed out, I never actually noticed the puppet sparking in the cutscene, which is a very interesting detail. Good eye! I did hear people theorize that the puppet in fnaf 3 is real, and I wasn't sure if it was true. After all, Mike feels like an unreliable narrator in a way with all the hallucinations. But if it is real, I still don't think it changes the theory much. I also have seen the merch showing the puppet in Lefty. I always thought that this was lefty in the act of catching the puppet since it's right next to the prize box. But, like you said, merch Lore is iffy (and I'd lose my mind if I had to study merch on top of games, books, the movie, and any teaser released).
@@TerminalError Honestly what I really think would benefit the series is just lie if they'd step back and instead of leaving stuff that happened a decade ago as fan interpretation, they just flat out tell us. Even if it's a matter of "Yeah, well the theorists figured that out forever ago." Cuz there's things like the second MCI that have been swept under the rug. There's things like the Bite of 87, which we've never gotten anything on other than a single quote, and Fnaf 2 leading up to the presumed date of the bite, otherwise, we just have speculation and hints that the animatronic saw something strange with a golden suit and weren't acting right. Who knows if it was Mangle, Ballooon Boy, Toy Bonnie, Toy Chica, hell who's to say Withered Foxy didn't sneak out of the back and maul someone? That could actually explain why he's out of order in Fnaf 1, but we literally have 0 evidence. Also a flat out explanation as to why Foxy is out of order would be nice. So many things in this franchise are just left up to speculation, and I feel like it harms it more than it does it any good, because these are things that would help the theories now, and burden theorists to not know. While the theory community pretty much agrees on some things as just confirmed, many "confirmed" things are never specified. I get that Fnaf has this air of mystery involved, and I respect that, but there's only so much you can do to try to be mysterious about a game from 10 years ago. Like how'd it take us this long to get a canon order that the original MCI victims were taken in? My issue isn't the mystery, it's the needless mystery. Like important things being left in the air despite not even really contributing to the overall mystery. Just a timeline with exact dates would do the series wonders.
Definitely agree that all the small mysteries not getting solved is beginning to hurt the franchise. Maybe it's just me trying to cope, but I think Steel Wool is going to try going back and giving us answers to these things. They've said before they want to do more games that are early in the timeline, which makes me think they want to start answering these decade-long questions. Plus, Cassie’s father and the grave stones in HW2 feel like an easy Segway back to the beginning of fnaf since they both hint to that time period.
@@TerminalError I had not actually heard of them wanting to do games earlier on in the timeline. That actually gives me a whole new way of thinking. I was under the assumption that they were just leaving the early games as "the work of a rogue indie developer attempting to taint the name of the franchise" as they put it. Thankfully that was a load of shit and probably just Fazbear going "Yeah this happened over 20 years ago, it's all just rumors.".
I'm currently on the same boat as RyeToast, that they blamed it on the indie developer to basically say "if we mess up some of the old Lore from this point forward, then the new stuff is the new Lore" but I think they want to stay as close to the original story as possible to keep it the least confusing it can be. I also think Steel Wools' first early timeline game is gonna be centered around the fall fest since they've been hinting at it since HW1, but they've said in at least 1 interview that they would like to revisit the earlier parts of the timeline.
I'm late but this is wrong. One of the Developers said that the similarities between henry and edwin is a coincidence. Means henry did not create the mimic.
So I did find what looks like a reddit discussion on the original post since the original was taken down. Andrea is the story writer for The Mimic and did say the Henry and Edwin similarities are coincidence. However, she also said she never read the older books and had no idea who Henry was and was working off of an outline Scott gave her. It also looks like she was manipulated to say the answer she gave since the person who messaged her compared the stories and said it was "intentionally lazy storytelling". Long story short, we might still be able to use the connection? Also here's the reddit link: www.reddit.com/r/GameTheorists/comments/16hsldc/the_writer_of_the_mimic_confirms_that_the/
@dylanhudec979 Personally, I like the idea of it being a part of the franchise the whole time over it being created in the 80s and then hiding in a warehouse till Ruin, but it is my theory, so I guess I'm alittle biased.
Puppet hands & feet features dont matter IF we take away how mimic (i think??) Is capable of fitting into most sizes even if there is a hunan body with it
I think you're right. My assumption was that the Mimic could fit into any regular sized animatronic like glamrock Freddy, Roxy, and maybe even the OG animatronics and toy versions. This made me think the hands and feet wouldn't change size or might not be capable of changing so drastically for the puppets' hands and feet. I do, however, still think the Mimic at some point switches its hands and feet since they don't match. If it wasn't for the puppet, though, then I'm not entirely sure why.
dude whatever you do don’t stop making videos you have a genuine gift these are the only good fnaf theories i’ve heard since fuhnaff launched his channel great work you have success coming man 🎉
@@TerminalError theory for you, william absolutely made the mimic in my eyes no idea why people say it’s henry just cus of silver eyes novels. It’s obviously william’s attempt to recreate crying child (in my eyes) and he programmed it in the sister location bunker, somehow getting into baby through the microchip
I never actually thought about it until reading this, but Henry making the Mimic doesn't make much sense, or at least the reasoning for it. He makes an advanced learning algorithm just to entertain his kid? Bro casually drops the most advanced tech on the planet and lets his kid play with it. Until we get evidence in the games of how it was created, everyone is still gonna say Henry created it, but I like the idea of William creating it either for the crying child like you said, or maybe just to immortalize himself somehow.
Counterpoint if the puppet was just the mimic, why would Henry talk to it as if it was Charlie he specifically says my daughter and talks to it like it has a soul
Good point! If I had to give a reason for this, either he is very sentimental toward the Mimic because it still acts like his daughter or it's a similar situation to the Glitchtrap theory I hear in the community right now. The theory basically says that Glitchtrap isn't the Mimic program that learned from William but instead is the remaining essence of William combining with the Mimic code and high jacking it.
Thanks for commenting, and I hope you enjoyed the video!
@@TerminalError of course it's William. I know Scott likes to "explain" misunderstood stuff but HOW were we supposed to know who the Mimic is? Up until now, the books weren't too important to canon, just showed some parallels, and now we're supposed to look for a book that wasn't released until later for answers? Plus it doesn't make sense with Glitchtrap saying "I always come back", when would the Mimic have heard William use that phrase? Plus the bunny imagery, it's shown not to be picky with its costumes, why would it insist on portraying itself as a rabbit? Specifically Spring Bonnie? It "learned from William": that suit was probably used ONCE by him, if at all, because William clearly didn't care about possible springlock failures (the Spring Bonnie animatronic still being moved after the ban), so why the replacement suit? It could've easily "dressed up" as Spring Bonnie himself. I guess the same question could be asked about William, but maybe he kinda grew resentful of that form, even if he returned to it in SB. Plus the fire worked. The Blob is an algamation of remnant, not Funtime Freddy, it just uses the mask for convenience, I think. Plus the Baby/Scrap Baby plushies are all from VR, Baby is NOT active anymore. William only managed to come back through the Glitchtrap virus. Also why Glitchtrap? Malhare was also an option, the -trap suffix is reserved for William, Plushtrap being one of his experiments (plus a finger trap, if the books are to be believed). Like tell me Scott wanted to mislead us without telling me Scott wanted to mislead us. Either that or Steelwool did the retcon becuase of backlash
I just heard this somewhere and that people think Michael is in Glamrock Freddy... Have you about this, Mr., and if so, do you believe it?
Yes, I've heard about it. Matpat brings it up in his theories. I don't believe it, but I know something is wrong with that bear and could ve swayed if we got more evidence.
9:30 henry says in the end of pizza sim when buring the building down, i willbe remaining too.. or maybe the police found his body and revived him? Which is not very likely
Henry saying he will remain close by and saying he's in the building as well are 2 separate things. I think Scott kept the wording vague so he could bring Henry back if he wanted to. Like the guy only shows up in the games for this one game, and then dying just feels wrong, especially in a game with haunted animatronics.
I'll come back to this video once the new fnaf game comes out in 2025
I agree
Disclaimer: I'm not remotely qualified enough to actually theorize on this franchise.
With that being said; no, I don't think the Puppet falls to mimic anything. I don't even think it could've seen what happended since it was trapped in the box and only got out after Charlie has already been offered the british treatment. Also, I'm not sure if it falls because it's not powered, to be honest I never thought about what exactly it was powered by before Charlie came along. But I do think it falls due to the rain being bad. Its a Puppet after all, it doesn't have a casing like the other animatronics do, therefore the rain would probably be pretty lethal for it.
As to how Lefty managed to capture the Puppet - i mean its right there on the blueprint. Bracelet code 93401233 is the code Charlie's bracelet emitted, i think? Well, long story short; Lefty was built to look like a child with a green bracelet to the puppet. Lefty was then able to capture her and used "Lullaby index 01" and "steady voltage" to keep her in. I therefore HIGHLY doubt it was trying to put on a new costume. Why would it chose a bear too? Anyway.
The Mimic and the Puppet were built for completly different reasons and I, in my humble opinion, couldnt think of a way they're the same. The mimic was created to entertain David and learn from what it sees. The puppet on the other hand was built to protect kids (or Charlie at least). Why the mimic care for some random child and go out in the rain to mimic it dying the alley? It could've very well just decided to mimic literally any other child INSIDE the building.
I won't get into the Security Breach stuff simply because my brain melts when I think about this games lore.
Idk maybe your theory would make more sense to me if I'd actually knew stuff. Oh well. Great video tho, gets sub.
Thank you for the feedback and the sub! Also I definitely think you could be qualified to theorize about this franchise. It's confusing and there's a lot but you obviously know your stuff.
On why it chose Charlie, I do think it's because it's set to look after the kid with the green bracelet like you said. Charlie was the one with the green bracelet, so that's why it chased after her (and for this theory mimicked her) in the alley. In the mini game, we also do see the puppet get out of the box before Charlie fades away from the window and her body is pretty far down the alley. I thought this was because William was strolling her down the alley maybe to promise to get her in the back door or something giving the puppet enough time to witness what happens.
As of why the Mimic/puppet would choose to dress as a bear.. idk really. But I also don't know why it chooses what it wears in the books or in the ruin dlc.
That's all I got for rebuttals. I'm glad you enjoyed it!
@@TerminalError I know a reason that could explain why the Mimic chose a bear. Henry. Maybe the Mimic chose a bear cause he/she (does it have a gender?) saw Henry, its CREATOR, put on the yellow bear suit (maybe springlock but i dont know), cause correct me if I'm wrong but I'm pretty sure it is stated that Henry goes into the bear suit and William the bunny suit. So yeah, this is probably not true, but I'm just stating a possible reason.
You're right. Henry is stated to wear the fredbear suit in the books. Now, this would all depend on when you think the Mimic is made and if the Mimic/puppet ever makes its way to the fredbears location. I think there's a possibility that the Mimic sees Henry put the suit on, but the window is really tight.
@@TerminalError Do you think It's possible that the Mimic program or whatever runs the FNAF 4 Nightmares (if we go by the theory that FNAF 4 is testing or torture chambers)?
I feel like it is entirely possible, sense FNAF 4 ITSELF (not CC stuff technically) takes place not that early (ignore security breach, fnaf 6, fnaf 3), and maybe William stole a Mimic for the Nightmares like later he did with Hand Unit.
Puppet isn’t a Mimic
It makes no sense
Charlie is the Puppet the evidence is loose
Cause taking of the “costume which survives till Fnaf 6 (at least) it’s a different animatronic
Well the mimic is In the puppets jack In the box in the new 2025 game trailer, I think this guy was onto something here.
@@silverwolves1877That was a completely different music box, and that takes place before the Puppet existed(Secret of the Mimic is the earliest point we see in the entire FNAF timeline since it’s 1979, before any accidents required the safety of the Security Puppet)
The Mimic also looked nothing like the Puppet as Jackie, there is zero intersection, and the entire theory relies on a presumption that Edwin is just a parallel to Henry when they have almost nothing in common(in fact I’d go as far to say that Edwin is more similar to William than Henry and even then he isn’t a parallel).
It would also make no sense if Henry explicitly refers to the Puppet as his daughter, makes it clear he’s referring to the first victim of Afton, we outright know that the Mimic is possessed by Agony but has no soul the entire way through so it can’t be possessed by Charlie, and there is absolutely no overlap in the stories that would make it fit together.
Also the Mimic would have no way or reason to create the Happiest Day, it would be actively destroying every other Animatronic because that’s an integral part of it’s story(which is used for absolutely everything in this theory except for it’s creator for some reason).
In other words: absolutely into nothing. A mess of plot holes, logical leaps and questionable decisions are required just to get a jumbled and clunky connection to the story(especially since Henry actively makes it clear that he’s staying in the fire just like Michael and he doesn’t have immortality of any sort to survive), some of the most laughed at theories in the community(Mike Victim, Miketrap, and Phone Guy being Afton) were honestly still far better evidenced and made more sense than the Mimic being the Puppet
I'm not a huge believer of Edwin being a stand-in for Henry, but I have to say this is a very well put together video! The details of The Silver Eyes trilogy aren't all coming to me atm, but couldn't it be possible that Charlie in The Silver Eyes is a mimic program? It would explain how she had such a human-like personality. Anyways, great video!
Thank you! Also, I think books charlie could definitely be a Mimic, especially after watching RyeToast's theory about the sister location animatronics (or at the very least the ones in Help Wanted 2) possibly running on the Mimic program.
the mimic game trailer shows the mimic in a jack-in-the-box with puppet's song
One thing is clear, The Mimic is a stronger and more hostile force than William. For mimic being an old endo, he’s very strong. Not only can he push over a Forklift like it’s nothing, he’s capable of crushing metal with just one hand. You can see that after he breaks off his right hand with his left hand.
Overall, I’m excited to see where Steel Wool and Scott are gonna take The Mimic, and I’m excited for the Into the Pit Game. 😀👍
Edit: Your theory isn’t far off, but it’s hard to say exactly to if this theory is solid. 🤔🤷 Still, this isn’t a bad theory.
actually, we do have some evidence that henry died.
in his speech in pizza sim, he says that he's in the building with us while its burning down.
His exact words are actually "I am nearby" which leads me to believe he's not in the building when it burns.
Do you think there is a lore reason of how the police didn't find the obvious dead kids in the animtronics at Freddy's?
I'm not sure, or at least I don't think we've gotten an answer for it. My assumption is that they didn't look because cops wouldn't know or might not be trained to look inside of an animatronic (like as a real life example, I dont think they would look under your car or at the engine unless they suspected something was wrong with your car). But we can also use the fact that in security breach, Vanessa could somehow convince the police to turn away from the pizzaplex when they were getting calls from someone in the pizzaplex so maybe fazbear has some power over the police somehow? Just something I thought of kinda quickly.
@@TerminalError Then that wouldn't explain why the police started to investigate in the first place if Fazbear has some sort of power over the police. To be fair, it was the 90s (or 80s i dont know), and people weren't really.. bright, if you know what i mean. So maybe that didn't look cause they never thought about it.
Good point. I guess they could've just not thought about it. Although I would think that might be an easy place to think to look since the old springlock suits were made to hold people.
@@TerminalError Wait a second didn't you just say they weren't trained? Are you changing your beliefs to do a coordinate attack on my beliefs?
I did change what I thought but not to attack your beliefs. No, the police wouldn't be trained to check the inside of an animatronic but after thinking about it a little longer, this is a company that either started with suits you climb into or was at least related to the company that did have suits that do that. When thinking of just the animatronics, I thought that they wouldn't be trained or even think to check inside the suits. But after thinking about the springlocks and possibly even regular suits, I realized that the cops might think the animatronics act similarly to the springlocks or regular suits and want to check inside. Now I think the only reason they wouldn't check inside the suits is either because they couldn't or were told they couldn't.
i like this theory better than the mimic being baby
I'm glad you like it! I personally like the Mimic baby theory, but I don't subscribe to it myself.
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I blanked out lately in the fnaf timeline, so I just had no idea what the actual mimic was, so thanks for letting me know
This will probably never be seen so I’m not going to go into detail but there are numerous things wrong with this.
The timeline doesn’t add up because the Mimic predates the Puppet timeline wise, every individual detail about the story in FNAF 6 confirms that Charlie is the puppet while we know for a fact the Mimic doesn’t have a soul possessing it, and the Mimic would have no reason to trigger the Happiest Day and free the souls from the Animatronics when it’s big thing in the first epilogue is that it breaks Animatronics down limb from limb.
Not to mention that just like every other theory about the Mimic, it cherry-picks what details to take from the books and treat as canon, such as dismissing Edwin as a Henry parallel when they have almost nothing in common and are very different characters(especially funny how people make this argument because Henry and William are also parallels and yet they both exist in canon).
Well the mimic is In the puppets jack In the box in the new 2025 game trailer, I think this guy was onto something here.
It’s just speculation guys chill
Thank you! Some of these comments get ruthless.
Ngl the secrets of the mimic teaser makes this theory even more likely
I don’t get how all this can come from the human mind I wanna kms just thinking about it 😭😭
My theory is the mimic is actually the stitchwtaith Think about the stitchwtaith collects parts from other animatronics same for the mimic
I dont think we've seen the Mimic steal any parts from other animatronics other than the shells/costumes, but I do like this theory! I might have to dig more into the books to find other similarities.
This actually makes sense ya Henry’s daughter soul was in the puppet but we have to remember before this happened the puppet was programmed differently. So once Her soul was free the mimic could do what it was programmed to do again at the fullest. And this also makes since why in the new trailer the mimic is in a box just like the puppet
Keep this in mind that the books are canon to the games but with some different events!
my theory is that Henry's wife died earlier in the timeline, and since he had to work while Charlie was at home Henry manage to get some endo skeleton parts that remained in the fall-fest fire of 1983 and some old sound chips that were used to play voice lines and created the mimic, and it worked Charlie had a lot of fun playing around with the robot while the mimic learned a lot from those experiences very fast... but then Charlie dies.
just like in the book's henry sees the mimic mimicking his daughter and destroyed it out of anger, taking a page out of dual process theory he was then framed and convicted for killing 5 kids, while he either served his sentence or escaped, Fazbear entertainment went to his house to confiscate all of the stuff related to Fazbear, someone then found the mimic in a broken mess and fixed it, giving it legs and the rest is history . while I do think henry created the mimic, I don't believe the mimic is the puppet, I feel it just doesn't work... also how can the mimic float?!
So what you’re saying that the puppet isn’t Charlie then? So Henry addresses his daughter in the end was for nothing? How could the puppet have given life to the MCI kids if it was just the mimic? You see the problem with this right? Or did you just gloss over some of the most important parts of the puppet and its inclusion within the story.
Not at all! I think the puppet is very much still Charlie. If anything, I think we are losing Charlie as the mimic learns more from its environment. I do get how it sounds like that since I didn't touch on the possession side of things, but I do think Charlie is still in there somewhere. But to counterpoint for the sake, the puppet bringing life back to the mci kids could have been the mimic using its AI to study the kids before death and putting what it learned from them into the other animatronics. It's a lot less fun than kids' spirits stuffed, but it is an explanation to further the theory
@Mr.bla1 I would disagree. I feel this would bring back a very important character to the franchise that, up to this point, only had one thing to do. That being giving life to the MCI kids. After that, the puppet seems to have little importance to the story and only seems to show up for Easter eggs (fnaf 3 hallucination, nightmarionette, lefty, nightmare staff bots). I feel my theory gives more importance and layers to the puppet with it attempting to claw back to power since being trapped in Pizzeria Sim.
Sorry for the long response, I hope it made sense, and thanks for commenting!
@Mr.bla1 I do agree it's goofy they keep bringing afton back, but with Afton, the Blob, and now Circus/Scrap Baby all returning in some way in security breach/ruin, it wouldn't make sense to not bring back the puppet in some way. I can only imagine with all the puppet imagery around the pizzaplex, the puppet has to be pulling strings in the shadows somehow. What better than having it literally hiding locked away under the pizzaplex.
The Puppet in FNAF 3 isn’t a hallucination. The Puppet is the only “Fantom” with a reflection. I think the reflection means its somehow “more real” than the other Fantoms
Do you think the Mimic was created before or after the Bite of 83'?
Also, do you think eventually you'll do your own FNAF lore timeline?
I want to say before 83 since the books reference it being made when the other animatronics were being upgraded from suits to animatronics. I would like more evidence from the games since the books aren't yet confirmed to be in the same timeline (also just feels wrong putting more advanced technology before the fnaf 1 animatronics).
As for a timeline, I would like to do one ESPECIALLY because Fall Fest is getting teased more and more and feels like it's gonna be crucial to the timeline. But I might want to do another theory video or 2 before attempting a timeline.
How about your own theory on what The Crying Child's name is, or do you believe the Evan name theory?
I personally don't think his name is Evan. I wasn't planning on making a theory on that, but that's because I wasn't thinking about it. I'll put it on my video idea list as a future project! It might take time, though, if I have to work with ciphers and everything else in the survival guidebook.
@@TerminalError Yeah everyone focuses on the survival logbook for some reason, why not look for evidence in the FIRST introduction of The Crying Child. FNAF 4. And you could also consider the stuff that is in that time period.
I think everyone looks to the book because of the puzzle that got us Cassidy's name (and I think someone else but I can't remember right now). I also think Scott stated that the crying child's name is in the book(don't quote me on that), but fnaf 4 would be another great place to look, so I might have to start there and not give myself a headache with the book lol.
I noticed a couple things I wanna point out.
Firstly, and the weakest thing I have to say since it's tied to a piece of merch, and we all know the merch can be a bit... Ehh sometimes. Be there's a piece of merch that has the puppet attempting to free itself from Lefty. Despite the fact that we have no canon evidence of this, I just wanted to bring it up.
Secondly, the puppet we see in 3 is actually real. You can see the reflection in the floor, and it doesn't look burned like the other phantoms. While I believe the phantom puppet is a hallucination, I thing the one you can see in the cameras is real, based on the fact that when it moves (I may be wrong here), you can no longer see the mask on the wall in the one camera.
Lastly, in the minigame in 6, you can see sparks coming off of the puppet as it trudges through the rain, how the hell it maintains its ability to float even once it's off the rails is beyond me, but you can see it start sparking as it shuts down.
Still a very interesting theory nevertheless, and it actually gives a reason for the mimic to have just sprouted out of absolutely nowhere in the games' continuity.
Thank you! I'm glad you liked the theory!
I'm glad someone else is a bit bothered that the Mimic currently just spawns into existence essentially. While I feel like Scott and Steel Wool could get away with it, I think it makes it so much more interesting having it be a character that almost follows fazbear entertainment.
As for the things you pointed out, I never actually noticed the puppet sparking in the cutscene, which is a very interesting detail. Good eye!
I did hear people theorize that the puppet in fnaf 3 is real, and I wasn't sure if it was true. After all, Mike feels like an unreliable narrator in a way with all the hallucinations. But if it is real, I still don't think it changes the theory much.
I also have seen the merch showing the puppet in Lefty. I always thought that this was lefty in the act of catching the puppet since it's right next to the prize box. But, like you said, merch Lore is iffy (and I'd lose my mind if I had to study merch on top of games, books, the movie, and any teaser released).
@@TerminalError Honestly what I really think would benefit the series is just lie if they'd step back and instead of leaving stuff that happened a decade ago as fan interpretation, they just flat out tell us. Even if it's a matter of "Yeah, well the theorists figured that out forever ago."
Cuz there's things like the second MCI that have been swept under the rug. There's things like the Bite of 87, which we've never gotten anything on other than a single quote, and Fnaf 2 leading up to the presumed date of the bite, otherwise, we just have speculation and hints that the animatronic saw something strange with a golden suit and weren't acting right. Who knows if it was Mangle, Ballooon Boy, Toy Bonnie, Toy Chica, hell who's to say Withered Foxy didn't sneak out of the back and maul someone? That could actually explain why he's out of order in Fnaf 1, but we literally have 0 evidence. Also a flat out explanation as to why Foxy is out of order would be nice.
So many things in this franchise are just left up to speculation, and I feel like it harms it more than it does it any good, because these are things that would help the theories now, and burden theorists to not know. While the theory community pretty much agrees on some things as just confirmed, many "confirmed" things are never specified. I get that Fnaf has this air of mystery involved, and I respect that, but there's only so much you can do to try to be mysterious about a game from 10 years ago. Like how'd it take us this long to get a canon order that the original MCI victims were taken in? My issue isn't the mystery, it's the needless mystery. Like important things being left in the air despite not even really contributing to the overall mystery. Just a timeline with exact dates would do the series wonders.
Definitely agree that all the small mysteries not getting solved is beginning to hurt the franchise. Maybe it's just me trying to cope, but I think Steel Wool is going to try going back and giving us answers to these things.
They've said before they want to do more games that are early in the timeline, which makes me think they want to start answering these decade-long questions. Plus, Cassie’s father and the grave stones in HW2 feel like an easy Segway back to the beginning of fnaf since they both hint to that time period.
@@TerminalError I had not actually heard of them wanting to do games earlier on in the timeline. That actually gives me a whole new way of thinking. I was under the assumption that they were just leaving the early games as "the work of a rogue indie developer attempting to taint the name of the franchise" as they put it. Thankfully that was a load of shit and probably just Fazbear going "Yeah this happened over 20 years ago, it's all just rumors.".
I'm currently on the same boat as RyeToast, that they blamed it on the indie developer to basically say "if we mess up some of the old Lore from this point forward, then the new stuff is the new Lore" but I think they want to stay as close to the original story as possible to keep it the least confusing it can be.
I also think Steel Wools' first early timeline game is gonna be centered around the fall fest since they've been hinting at it since HW1, but they've said in at least 1 interview that they would like to revisit the earlier parts of the timeline.
I'm late but this is wrong. One of the Developers said that the similarities between henry and edwin is a coincidence. Means henry did not create the mimic.
Considering this is the first I've ever heard that, do you know where this was said so I can look it up?
@@TerminalError it was said in the fnaf fandom wiki that andrea waggener was the one who said it.
@@TerminalError I couldn't find it anywhere else so i could be wrong.
So I did find what looks like a reddit discussion on the original post since the original was taken down. Andrea is the story writer for The Mimic and did say the Henry and Edwin similarities are coincidence. However, she also said she never read the older books and had no idea who Henry was and was working off of an outline Scott gave her. It also looks like she was manipulated to say the answer she gave since the person who messaged her compared the stories and said it was "intentionally lazy storytelling".
Long story short, we might still be able to use the connection?
Also here's the reddit link: www.reddit.com/r/GameTheorists/comments/16hsldc/the_writer_of_the_mimic_confirms_that_the/
@@TerminalError oh.
So uhh... Happiest Day? How does that work?
Btw the mimic was around before the puppet
you're onto something
Thank you!
don't let the hate get to you, great theory and video@@TerminalError
The hate can get hard, but comments like this help motivate me so much, so thank you again!
Steel wool really expect me to believe this endoskeleton has been here since the first game Yeah I’m not buying it.
@dylanhudec979 Personally, I like the idea of it being a part of the franchise the whole time over it being created in the 80s and then hiding in a warehouse till Ruin, but it is my theory, so I guess I'm alittle biased.
Maybe everything is cannon and just cannon in their own universe when it dosnt line up with the rest of the lore. Like with the books.
Puppet hands & feet features dont matter IF we take away how mimic (i think??) Is capable of fitting into most sizes even if there is a hunan body with it
I think you're right. My assumption was that the Mimic could fit into any regular sized animatronic like glamrock Freddy, Roxy, and maybe even the OG animatronics and toy versions. This made me think the hands and feet wouldn't change size or might not be capable of changing so drastically for the puppets' hands and feet. I do, however, still think the Mimic at some point switches its hands and feet since they don't match. If it wasn't for the puppet, though, then I'm not entirely sure why.
Did we ever get the reason why there's a handprint on FNAF 1 Freddy's face?
To my knowledge, no, we didn't. Originally, it was theorized that Freddy was the one who did the bite of 87, but that theory kind of died with fnaf 2.
@@TerminalError Can you pleaaaaase upload your FNAF theory today?
What do you mean they don't look similar, they ate both long, slender.......... and absoute hunks 🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵
Oh you are so right 🥵🥵🥵🥵
underrated fnaf youtubers always have quality content
But if lefty was the mimic then he wouldnt be in sb because of the fire but in sb it looks like he has had fire damage
To be fair, springtrap and the Blob were also in the Pizzeria Sim fire and are in security breach as well
Puppet got out of the pizzaria
Where are the strings
In the Pizzeria. That's why it crawls down the alley
No strings attached............
been out for 9 months only 9k views :(
W theory
I personally agree with this theory and it make sense to me 🤷
Thank you! I'm really glad you enjoyed and agree with me!
Nice
Thank you!
dude whatever you do don’t stop making videos you have a genuine gift these are the only good fnaf theories i’ve heard since fuhnaff launched his channel great work you have success coming man 🎉
Thank you! This genuinely made my day! And don't worry, I don't plan on stopping any time soon.
@@TerminalError theory for you, william absolutely made the mimic in my eyes no idea why people say it’s henry just cus of silver eyes novels. It’s obviously william’s attempt to recreate crying child (in my eyes) and he programmed it in the sister location bunker, somehow getting into baby through the microchip
@@TerminalError just a random thought that popped into my head idk if i made it make sense
I never actually thought about it until reading this, but Henry making the Mimic doesn't make much sense, or at least the reasoning for it. He makes an advanced learning algorithm just to entertain his kid? Bro casually drops the most advanced tech on the planet and lets his kid play with it. Until we get evidence in the games of how it was created, everyone is still gonna say Henry created it, but I like the idea of William creating it either for the crying child like you said, or maybe just to immortalize himself somehow.
if this continues we will never solve the lore :/
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Wrong look at burntraps jaw look at the mimics jaw ? The same your all wrong
Mimic is a pure no-name that has nothing to do with Fnaf as a whole.
You might be in a different world than us, lol
@@AlfaresAnas for people like you who don't appreciate Fnaf - yes.
@@executioner4291That's up to 4 Fallacies so far
Begging The Question, Fallacy Of Composition, Fallacy Of Division, False Pretext Fallacy
Good Job
Mimic was created 1970 puppet was created 1980 so this theory is false
mimic Is very Trash Lore 😂😂😂😂
the puppet isnt THE mimic it is A mimic.
The mimic looks NOTHING like the puppet...at all...
That's why I think he upgraded himself after Pizzeria simulator. But it could definitely be interesting if there are multiple mimics running around.