Try your Steve Vai jam with this: acoustic channel; gain max, volume 2, bass 6, middle and treble full, overdrive stock yellow. This will give you a good sound. Once you've tried this you will never use the other amp types again! I also own guitars with HS3 and Fury's, combined with the fenderYJM overdrive it won't work on the Katana.
I like the full honesty in Elmo's reviews -many other reviewers are too diplomatic. A good reviewer has to be measured for its courage. Hats off to Elmo on this. That being said, I agree with the assessment on the tones in the Nextone as relatively disappointing but I have to say the Katana 50 is still fully satisfying for me. I never use the Tone Studio (I also hate hooking to the computer). It's just that I find it very easy getting great blues and classic rock tones out of it (I just use the Clean and light Crunch modes). And a Katana is super reliable for gigging. I have more expensive tube amps and the Blues Cube (which is very nice) but I always come back to the Katana. Light, great sound, cuts through in a band. And what a great price it has...
Thank you for this review. really nice to watch a review that is honest and not trying to push to buy one amp but a real interview of the amps ability's
The 50 watt doesn't have an external speaker out, but the 100 watt and head do have the speaker out. I guess I will be buying a noise gate as well. 😂👍👍👍 By the way. I just bought the 50 watt Katana shipped for 219.00 $$ US.
@@MrPolevaulter Agree. Why they didn't put the noise gate on the controls is strange. So, Although I do think it's a pretty good amp ( not a marshall tube amp, but much MUCH MUCH CHEAPER ) I do like the Brown channel. I will be buying a noise gate. I grew up on tube amps. Mostly Fender Twins, Hot Rods, Peaveys, etc. But, I still like the Katana. But, as you stated, it's subjective. Plus, where I might gig the drunk bikers won't mind at all. 😛 Good review though and I appreciate your honesty sir. Just listened to your version of the loner. Very cool. 👍💪👍
I can't understand why these amps always sound different in different videos. Sometimes their just wow, then other times its like, ehh. After playing them both in person, they sound boxy to me. Good tones are there but I think you have to dial them in. Still not ready to part with my OrangeCR60.
Why do review product without understanding there features? Updating software and effects is a lot cheaper than buying a bunch of pedals to experiment until to find what you like. Many expensive combos need better speakers or the speaker the user prefers. Expensive tube amp or cheap tube amp can sound like crap. Also, must crank the tube amp to get the beloved tone. Most players can't crank them and never play in a band or in public. Most venues, bar, nightclub, and especially churches will make you lower the volume and go direct so you need a pedal board anyway unless you have one of these or an amp like them . Nobody wants to mic your tube amp. You don't want to mic the amp at low volume. No tone. Nextone is great. But, Katana Artist MkI or MkII are the best.
Do you get the ability to edit all the Boss pedals on the Nextone software editor like you can on the Katana? I’m betting no which would seal the deal for me. All those classic Boss pedals built into the Katana just makes it a better value to me!
Elmo, What is your favourite solid state amp? I'm thinking of buying a Fender SS. Your opinion bro. I only care about the clean channel. Don't want any bells n whistles.
So which is the alternate amp that has the same power and in the same price range (give or take) that you recommend. I am finding that in this range there is only the Katana and maybe the Fender Champion 40.
Maybe the upload or my earphones or something messed with the sound because the katana sounds like garbage on almost every setting. The nextone sounds good to me though so maybe I just like that amp better.
I Have Updated My Katana with a 50-watt Celestion Rocket! Wow what a Difference, This Solves My Tinny Speaker Problem It makes a Big Difference in Clarity and Volume, Clean Stays Clean at 50-watts and it Takes My Mooer Brown Sound 3 Pedal Well Running a Donner Noise Killer in Overdrive on Set Channel or Pedal Overdrive. A Great Up-Grade for $52.00, Thanks for Your Valued Opinion Elmo, This Has made My Musical Day!
Nextone is not a huge improvement but it looks way cooler.. If you could put a Katana in a Nextone cabinet.. you'd have something. and if you set the Katana clean with no effects as I do..and put it in a Fender Princeton cabinet.. People would love it even more.
I think you already have something with the Katana 50: 12 inch speaker, 50 watts, a ton of effects, and decent sound for $229--it's the deal of the fucking century; that's an absurdly good deal. The Nextone seems like a ripoff though (unless it sounds much better in person than it does on my laptop).
You pay 200 Bucks for an solid state amp with digital effects. I'm sure a good part of what you pay is due to the software part... If you don't use It, you won't get it's full potencial. It's like having a tube amp and not liking to crank the volume, It won't shine.
Great stuff. Good video and great comparison. It sounds like the Next tone is a bit darker to me. They both sound good to me THOUGH. Man, I have to build me a strat with a scalloped neck to see if I like it. It would seem you could play with a more relaxed hand. You German? I detect an accent. Anyway. Will sub. Great stuff. Thanks for the video and comparison. I just ordered the 50 watt Katana.
I think everything said is correct to my ears, BUT, BIG BUT, the Artist versions hand the mids and bottom end so well, with everything missing from the regular versions, that it is, actually a totally different amp, Artist vs regular, with a bigger cabinet, more options, more headroom, more everything and I did see a video of the Katana Artist vs NexTone Artist vs Tube Amps and that was a great shootout and the issue was a crappy cabinet in the regular amps, but the Artist is completely different and 100% better and the Katana Artist won, beating the Nextone Artist and all tube amps, meaning a Fender, Marshall and Vox Tube amp and the was absolutely, 100% shocking, but it was a 100 watt Katana Artist, 1st generation, but bigger cab, more power, semi-open cab, different power options, speaker reaction and these 2 amps suck to me, but the Artists and now the Generation 1, 100W, Katana Artist is a great sounding beast! The Waza speaker needed a bigger cab, needed to breathe and that was a total game changer and now bang for the buck with the 2nd generation Katana Artist out, the amp I just talked about, with all issues solved, with the footswitch, can be bought, mint, for $500 CDN dollars used and nothing that inexpensive, should sound that good, be that versatile and do clean, overdrive, crunch, distortion and high distortion like a champ. Fender tube did clean well. No surprise. Marshall Tube did crunch well. No surprise. Vox was more, really mild overdrive well. All this is known, but it was the Artist Katana with all added that just won, with versatility, power, all options missing on the cheaper one, no microphonics or tube crap outs to worry about and THAT was an EYE OPENER! The 1st gen 100W Artist is an amp to be celebrated and sounds good on its own, but into a 412 cab...good bye tubes and I am a tube snob! Only food for thought! Everything is subjective, but listen to the Katana vs Katana Artist and they are NOT THE SAME, NOT EVEN CLOSE! All the best and happy playing! Research, testing and all this is good! Great video and it helped to confirm, for me....that Artist Katana 1st Gen, is just a deal to end all deals and a danger to tube snobs like me! Blind, I picked the Katana Artist, BUT, wanted the tube amps to wins! Yes, it beat all 3 to by horror, but it was also good to see, at least, that with the right cab, right power, right options, technology and dependable technology, is dangerously close to taking over tubes (oh, the pain). Think Kemper, at a stupid high cost, in a combo amp...maybe not that good, but getting closer and the Kemper is more $ that most killer tube anything combinations, so not so fair. All food for thought is good to mean! No right or wrong! Interesting! Happy playing and keep up the great videos! The amp for you is the best! That won't change! :)
Had a Katana 50... and it didn't sound very good clean and no headroom. Sold it and bought the Katana 100... and waaaay better! Not even close comparison... speaker cab bigger and sound way better in every way. I was shocked at the difference. I haven't tried the nextone.
I disagree with your opinion. I have Katana MK I 100W and Nextone Stage replacing Katana. Agree with you both amp need editor with laptop what is bad think for me. Nextone lead channel is useless sound bad apart from this is quite good sound where Katana is for me to much clear not organic sound. Example where you Can hear different on nextone preamp and even more is what you feel and what is response. ua-cam.com/video/qYkH82WFWrQ/v-deo.html
@@DenisAhmet Captured the amp sound with an AKG C-414, one of the best mics around. No trickery done to enhance anything. What you're hearing is the amp in a room.
I was able to demo this amp and your absolutely right. This amp is worthless out of the box and I mean worthless. It’s just so plain Jane sound and for $600 it’s crazy.
18:53 basically that is what you have to do ! You will find there the noise gate that you were missing and could use some custom patches that other ppl built and they sound great compared to the default stuff.
I spend enough time watching a screen, and can't be bothered to tweak using software. I don't even do it with my Axe-FX, but then again you don't have to. I find it annoying when companies make amps where you have to use software to get everything out of the amp.
@@MrPolevaulter oh i totally get it ! Nobody likes that, but it its good to know before you buy this kind of amps that you will have to work before they sound decent and the " out of box experience" is at most " meh" . Hiding the noise gate in the software only its rly stupid indeed. Anyway, keep up with the nice reviews !
Elmo..gotta hand it too you..always a second chance and the benefit of doubt. lol On another note..I know youre partial to old DOD 250...Fuzzlord Effects just uploaded vid on the Sky Master pedal based on that..except with active tone and Bexandall circuitry...limited run..but man..it friggin rocks dude. I myself may have to plunge on that. Peace bro
Sorry don't like either although I know the Katana is well liked by many. Both sound over processed to my ears which have been trained from an early age to like the (more natural ?) sound of valve amps. Layering on lots of settings and effects to hide the issue does nothing to solve it although it may impress many who like to experiment. Probably just me showing my age and being a grumpy old git :-).
Not necessarily I am old as well (50) and I share your opinion. I want to like the Katana but I’m not an effects guy. I want to like the Nextone but it costs the same as great tube amps. Similar to the blues cube it sounds decent but is a lot of cash for solid state. I will probably die without ever plugging an amp into a computer
@@MrPolevaulter I also don't like either from what I've heard (I have tried the Katana but not the Nextone). But I understand the concept of the Nextone and I like the idea, I just think they didn't realise it with this amp. Yes to get the most out of it you must plug it in to a PC, that's because the idea of this amp is to be the dream 2 channel custom amp. In the editor you can choose which power amp circuit is combined with each channel and then you can set the bias and sag on each of these so if for example your dream amp is a fender style clean combined with a Marshall, you can build your dream amp with the Nextone without actually having to pull the amp apart or know anything about electronics. And that's a cool idea. The problem is that because the power amp circuits are actually 4 different analogue circuits, when you create a custom amp depending on how you create each channel switching between channels can be very slow. My other issue is I think the Boss gear is overrated, the Katana didn't live up to the hype for me, to me it wasn't any better than the Boss MFX pedals plugged into a solid state speaker and I've never thought their COSM stuff was impressive. So when Katana fans and almost everyone else pretty much doesn't like the Nextone and when I hear about the issues the amp is having like the switching delay and the limitations of the custom channels, at the moment I can't get excited about either. But that could change with a firmware update. Then of course with all the other cool amps out now like the new Blackstar HT-20 MK2 and the Marshall Studio range it is impossible to get excited about the Nextone. The Blackstar can do more than the Nextone and it is a real tube amp. The Marshall amps are the quintessential players amp for that guy who loves one channel and does it all with his volume knob or likes a few pedals. I think the Studio Vintage, the Studio Classic and the new HT20 are the coolest value amps out there at the moment and with great deals like these it really is hard to care about digital gear trying to sound as good but not really getting there.
Had both, Kat is cheap, very cheap in fact. It kinda works. The Nextone has better feel under the fingers but the lead channel sucks and you just have to go into editor which is a right royal pain in the backside. Frankly I want to plug into a amp and play. The Katana does this a lot better. The Blues Cube range are on another a completely different level. Expensive though, so my alternative suggestion is a Orange CR60...
Katana is Clear going Thru a Katana on My End, Computer Out to Aux In.....LOL.......Also Listened on Mackie Monitors! Katana is Better for Me, It Sounds with a Celestion Cream-Back!
But the Nextone is really good for clean Fendersound so maybe it´s a good speaker for that sound. Beats the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe in That Pedal Shows comparison: ua-cam.com/video/_QZOeXHB8AQ/v-deo.html
I don't like neither. But as for the people that like it, power to them. Maybe it's time to touch the possibility of BOSS being one of the "untouchables" in terms of what we are allowed to criticise?
Elmo the katana is too bright sounding,it has the ice pick high frequencies! I know because my uncle just bought one and i tried it out at my house a few days ago,i cannot believe how over rated this amp is!Many well known youtuber's give it high ratings and i do not agree,i have a variety of different brand modeling amps and i had to put a beam blocker in my original peavey vyper 30w,the boss katana also needs one to filter out the high ice pick frequencies,i made one out of a blank CD and some wooden support strips i glued to the CD.You can also buy a webber beam blocker. Elmo,this beam blocker mod will improve the sound of the katana's speaker without replacing it for another one that would cost you more money!I also agree about the noise gate,it should have at least a basic setting that you can adjust from the amp!I also think there is no cab modeling at all?I checked the boss katana editor and did not see any cab modeling? I also did not see any user preset banks to save your settings,just channel 1 and 2?Getting back to the thin sounding speaker,there is barely any warmth from this speaker but that may also be because of the boss modeling?Boss should have used a closed back cabinet design,this would have improved the low end and overall tone of this amp in my opinion,i also think there is no guitar tuner built in the amp?Someone correct me if i am wrong?Elmo did you see a tuner in the katana?I know that my original peavey vyper sounds much better then the katana in my opinion,mainly the high gain models!
The Katana is indeed a bright amp. It's modeled as a Marshall so that's the reason. the speaker makes all the difference. I own the Artist that has the WAZA speaker and it's like night and day. I look at the Katana 50 as a practice amp but I'd only do a gig with the Artist. I don't even have to turn the trem down on it as it has plenty of bottom end.
I see the Katana as a 'full frequency' amp.... out of the box it doesn't sound that good. But using the tone studio, it's up to the person dial in-out what you want. There are better sounds to be found in there. Not just layering on some effects... The presence can be adjusted and graphic & parametric eq can take away harsh frequencies and emphasize what you like. Anyone that buys the Katana should at least give the Tone studio a fair shake before dimissing the amp. Some amps you're stuck with 'a sound', but the Katana is somewhat flexible at no extra cost.
@@jumpboy29 Katana is NOT a FRFR amp - its simply employs a British voiced speaker which is voiced like vintage 1960's Celestion speakers used in 1968 Marshall (much brighter than any Fender) - yes those are bright speakers
The katana is good for the money you have a big marshall probably cost 4x more what are you on about the boss amp is never going to be as good to you .send the next tone to me if you don't like it
You're free to buy it, although postage would cost a bit. Personally I prefer the Roland Cube series if we're speaking about affordable modelling amps.
Both amps sound horrible. Thank you for demonstrating how these amps sound in real life, not like that spnosored, overproduced demo by Chris Buck, where Nextone sounded better than Fender Deluxe Reverb.
Unless it sounds much better in person than it does on my laptop, the Nextone is a fucking ripoff. It doesn't sound any better than the Katana to me, but it's much more expensive and lacks the Katana's effects.
profd65 Your laptop? As in the most shitty speakers you can listen to? Not even ear/headphones? Go try one yourself in store and see for yourself dude.
Check out more of my amp reviews here: ua-cam.com/play/PLNaLwTdlpQNHNo5bubVjV1OW04gkqU8rM.html
It doesn't matter if we agree or disagree with your reviews, but we definitely need more reviewers with attitude like you.
Thank you very much :)
I like your reviews, because you get to hear the actual sound of the amps, not the enhanced audio of them like other videos
Cheers!
The Boss Katana does actually have a noise-gate, just I’m note sure if it’s only accessible through software editor.
Try your Steve Vai jam with this: acoustic channel; gain max, volume 2, bass 6, middle and treble full, overdrive stock yellow. This will give you a good sound. Once you've tried this you will never use the other amp types again! I also own guitars with HS3 and Fury's, combined with the fenderYJM overdrive it won't work on the Katana.
Thanks for the tip. I must remember to try that.
I like the full honesty in Elmo's reviews -many other reviewers are too diplomatic. A good reviewer has to be measured for its courage. Hats off to Elmo on this. That being said, I agree with the assessment on the tones in the Nextone as relatively disappointing but I have to say the Katana 50 is still fully satisfying for me. I never use the Tone Studio (I also hate hooking to the computer). It's just that I find it very easy getting great blues and classic rock tones out of it (I just use the Clean and light Crunch modes). And a Katana is super reliable for gigging. I have more expensive tube amps and the Blues Cube (which is very nice) but I always come back to the Katana. Light, great sound, cuts through in a band. And what a great price it has...
Cheers!
It’s called Sisu 😁
Thank you for this review. really nice to watch a review that is honest and not trying to push to buy one amp but a real interview of the amps ability's
Cheers John!
Thanks for your honest review! Good review
Thanks!
The katana has inbuilt noisegate. You access it through the editor :)
I hate software :D
Elmo Karjalainen such a shame there is alot more to it under the surface :)
Why dont make a noise gate button on the katana, man......
@@MrPolevaulter software hates you
@@MrPolevaulter just kidding
The 50 watt doesn't have an external speaker out, but the 100 watt and head do have the speaker out. I guess I will be buying a noise gate as well. 😂👍👍👍
By the way. I just bought the 50 watt Katana shipped for 219.00 $$ US.
I've heard the Katana has a noise gate, but that you can only access it through the editor, which is weird.
@@MrPolevaulter Agree. Why they didn't put the noise gate on the controls is strange. So, Although I do think it's a pretty good amp ( not a marshall tube amp, but much MUCH MUCH CHEAPER ) I do like the Brown channel. I will be buying a noise gate.
I grew up on tube amps. Mostly Fender Twins, Hot Rods, Peaveys, etc. But, I still like the Katana. But, as you stated, it's subjective. Plus, where I might gig the drunk bikers won't mind at all. 😛 Good review though and I appreciate your honesty sir. Just listened to your version of the loner. Very cool. 👍💪👍
I can't understand why these amps always sound different in different videos. Sometimes their just wow, then other times its like, ehh. After playing them both in person, they sound boxy to me. Good tones are there but I think you have to dial them in. Still not ready to part with my OrangeCR60.
Great review, thank you
Katana does have a noise gate. Use the software.
Yeah, I've heard about that after I did the video. Did you think I was going to read a manual? :D
Why do review product without understanding there features?
Updating software and effects is a lot cheaper than buying a bunch of pedals to experiment until to find what you like.
Many expensive combos need better speakers or the speaker the user prefers. Expensive tube amp or cheap tube amp can sound like crap. Also, must crank the tube amp to get the beloved tone. Most players can't crank them and never play in a band or in public. Most venues, bar, nightclub, and especially churches will make you lower the volume and go direct so you need a pedal board anyway unless you have one of these or an amp like them . Nobody wants to mic your tube amp. You don't want to mic the amp at low volume. No tone.
Nextone is great. But, Katana Artist MkI or MkII are the best.
Do you get the ability to edit all the Boss pedals on the Nextone software editor like you can on the Katana? I’m betting no which would seal the deal for me. All those classic Boss pedals built into the Katana just makes it a better value to me!
It's been a while since I sold the amp, but I seem to remember the answer being no. So in that sense the Katana is much better.
Thanks for the comment on the Nextone. I agree. I thought I was taking crazy pills. well done.
Your right the nextone is 600. The katana is 223 us you could get a blackstar or a bunch of other ok valve amps for around y hundred
Yep.
Elmo, What is your favourite solid state amp? I'm thinking of buying a Fender SS. Your opinion bro. I only care about the clean channel. Don't want any bells n whistles.
I prefer the Roland Cube series, but that's because of the classic stack mode.
The Nextone wins for me in the lead and distorted sound. But both amps sounds a little dirty to me, not like a good tube amp.
So which is the alternate amp that has the same power and in the same price range (give or take) that you recommend. I am finding that in this range there is only the Katana and maybe the Fender Champion 40.
I forget what this one costs, but you can find good options in my two videos on 8 Great Cheap Amps.
@@MrPolevaulter Will do. 👍
Great playing Elmo !!
Maybe the upload or my earphones or something messed with the sound because the katana sounds like garbage on almost every setting. The nextone sounds good to me though so maybe I just like that amp better.
Listen to other reviews. This guy does not try to fairly represent.
I Have Updated My Katana with a 50-watt Celestion Rocket! Wow what a Difference, This Solves My Tinny Speaker Problem It makes a Big Difference in Clarity and Volume, Clean Stays Clean at 50-watts and it Takes My Mooer Brown Sound 3 Pedal Well Running a Donner Noise Killer in Overdrive on Set Channel or Pedal Overdrive. A Great Up-Grade for $52.00, Thanks for Your Valued Opinion Elmo, This Has made My Musical Day!
Cheers :)
Nextone is not a huge improvement but it looks way cooler.. If you could put a Katana in a Nextone cabinet.. you'd have something. and if you set the Katana clean with no effects as I do..and put it in a Fender Princeton cabinet.. People would love it even more.
I think you already have something with the Katana 50: 12 inch speaker, 50 watts, a ton of effects, and decent sound for $229--it's the deal of the fucking century; that's an absurdly good deal. The Nextone seems like a ripoff though (unless it sounds much better in person than it does on my laptop).
Nextone sounds a lot better, to me at least.
Over headphones i like the nextone. It seems fuller
So better midst on the next one. Your right in front of the next one so that could change the sound. I always prefer amps from an angle
With a pair of grippers / pincers, you could send the KATANA to a external cabinet... I would be great to hear the KATANA with a good 1x12" box.
Yeah, it would.
Bruno Jacq what do you mean “pair of pincers” to an external speaker? What am I missing?
You pay 200 Bucks for an solid state amp with digital effects. I'm sure a good part of what you pay is due to the software part... If you don't use It, you won't get it's full potencial. It's like having a tube amp and not liking to crank the volume, It won't shine.
I have a KT50 and have been looking to upgrade. Great video. You have convinced me to not upgrade for now Thank you Elmo.
Thanks Don!
Nextone artist or special as a pedal platform is incredible. The stage is a toy
Your single coil pickups just don't do it for me sounds too tinny add Bass or cut back on treble
Good, honest video. Thanks!
Cheers Ben!
Have you plowed thru some of the Line 6 offerings ? There's quite a bit to peruse. Now on to your review of the new Marshall 20......
Not in ages. I didn't like the older ones. I have thought of reviewing the Line 6 Spider.
Great stuff. Good video and great comparison. It sounds like the Next tone is a bit darker to me. They both sound good to me THOUGH.
Man, I have to build me a strat with a scalloped neck to see if I like it. It would seem you could play with a more relaxed hand.
You German? I detect an accent.
Anyway. Will sub. Great stuff. Thanks for the video and comparison. I just ordered the 50 watt Katana.
Thanks man :)
@@MrPolevaulter Welcone sir. Your English is excellent by the way.
If you were to upgrade the speaker which speaker model would you use?
Not sure.
I think everything said is correct to my ears, BUT, BIG BUT, the Artist versions hand the mids and bottom end so well, with everything missing from the regular versions, that it is, actually a totally different amp, Artist vs regular, with a bigger cabinet, more options, more headroom, more everything and I did see a video of the Katana Artist vs NexTone Artist vs Tube Amps and that was a great shootout and the issue was a crappy cabinet in the regular amps, but the Artist is completely different and 100% better and the Katana Artist won, beating the Nextone Artist and all tube amps, meaning a Fender, Marshall and Vox Tube amp and the was absolutely, 100% shocking, but it was a 100 watt Katana Artist, 1st generation, but bigger cab, more power, semi-open cab, different power options, speaker reaction and these 2 amps suck to me, but the Artists and now the Generation 1, 100W, Katana Artist is a great sounding beast! The Waza speaker needed a bigger cab, needed to breathe and that was a total game changer and now bang for the buck with the 2nd generation Katana Artist out, the amp I just talked about, with all issues solved, with the footswitch, can be bought, mint, for $500 CDN dollars used and nothing that inexpensive, should sound that good, be that versatile and do clean, overdrive, crunch, distortion and high distortion like a champ. Fender tube did clean well. No surprise. Marshall Tube did crunch well. No surprise. Vox was more, really mild overdrive well. All this is known, but it was the Artist Katana with all added that just won, with versatility, power, all options missing on the cheaper one, no microphonics or tube crap outs to worry about and THAT was an EYE OPENER! The 1st gen 100W Artist is an amp to be celebrated and sounds good on its own, but into a 412 cab...good bye tubes and I am a tube snob! Only food for thought! Everything is subjective, but listen to the Katana vs Katana Artist and they are NOT THE SAME, NOT EVEN CLOSE! All the best and happy playing! Research, testing and all this is good! Great video and it helped to confirm, for me....that Artist Katana 1st Gen, is just a deal to end all deals and a danger to tube snobs like me! Blind, I picked the Katana Artist, BUT, wanted the tube amps to wins! Yes, it beat all 3 to by horror, but it was also good to see, at least, that with the right cab, right power, right options, technology and dependable technology, is dangerously close to taking over tubes (oh, the pain). Think Kemper, at a stupid high cost, in a combo amp...maybe not that good, but getting closer and the Kemper is more $ that most killer tube anything combinations, so not so fair. All food for thought is good to mean! No right or wrong! Interesting! Happy playing and keep up the great videos! The amp for you is the best! That won't change! :)
where can you find the external speaker out for nextone and what is the ohms?
Somewhere on the back if I rember correctly. I used it with my 16 ohm cab, but can't remember if there were other options.
... 03/05/2020: The different tube settings sound the same to me. Katana Artist would be the better amp for me ... just saying.
To me the Nextone sounds overly compressed both clean and overdriven.
I was thinking the exact same thing. The katana sounded compressed as well but not as much.
@@jeffmaestro Yeah the Katana does too, you're right.
Had a Katana 50... and it didn't sound very good clean and no headroom. Sold it and bought the Katana 100... and waaaay better! Not even close comparison... speaker cab bigger and sound way better in every way. I was shocked at the difference. I haven't tried the nextone.
Thanks for sharing!
Bossfight
Trop de notes joué pas de blues dans ton jeu donc on ne peut pas entendre la résonance de l amplis ☹️
I disagree with your opinion. I have Katana MK I 100W and Nextone Stage replacing Katana. Agree with you both amp need editor with laptop what is bad think for me. Nextone lead channel is useless sound bad apart from this is quite good sound where Katana is for me to much clear not organic sound. Example where you Can hear different on nextone preamp and even more is what you feel and what is response.
ua-cam.com/video/qYkH82WFWrQ/v-deo.html
If I’m not mistaken you have not done any justice for these great amps in the way you recorded it. How did you record it?
With a microphone. I think I said in the video.
Elmo Karjalainen Sorry I meant the whole chain to record it, in fine detail. Just trying to help you get a better recording sound.
@@DenisAhmet Captured the amp sound with an AKG C-414, one of the best mics around. No trickery done to enhance anything. What you're hearing is the amp in a room.
Nice review
they do have noise gates ...
Great demo.
Cheers!
I know you hate the software side of it but would have been a better review if you were to dive a little into it.
True.
I was able to demo this amp and your absolutely right. This amp is worthless out of the box and I mean worthless. It’s just so plain Jane sound and for $600 it’s crazy.
18:53 basically that is what you have to do ! You will find there the noise gate that you were missing and could use some custom patches that other ppl built and they sound great compared to the default stuff.
I spend enough time watching a screen, and can't be bothered to tweak using software. I don't even do it with my Axe-FX, but then again you don't have to. I find it annoying when companies make amps where you have to use software to get everything out of the amp.
@@MrPolevaulter oh i totally get it ! Nobody likes that, but it its good to know before you buy this kind of amps that you will have to work before they sound decent and the " out of box experience" is at most " meh" . Hiding the noise gate in the software only its rly stupid indeed.
Anyway, keep up with the nice reviews !
Cheers :)
Elmo..gotta hand it too you..always a second chance and the benefit of doubt. lol On another note..I know youre partial to old DOD 250...Fuzzlord Effects just uploaded vid on the Sky Master pedal based on that..except with active tone and Bexandall circuitry...limited run..but man..it friggin rocks dude. I myself may have to plunge on that. Peace bro
Thanks! Have to check it out.
Sorry don't like either although I know the Katana is well liked by many. Both sound over processed to my ears which have been trained from an early age to like the (more natural ?) sound of valve amps. Layering on lots of settings and effects to hide the issue does nothing to solve it although it may impress many who like to experiment. Probably just me showing my age and being a grumpy old git :-).
Not necessarily I am old as well (50) and I share your opinion. I want to like the Katana but I’m not an effects guy. I want to like the Nextone but it costs the same as great tube amps. Similar to the blues cube it sounds decent but is a lot of cash for solid state. I will probably die without ever plugging an amp into a computer
Plugging amps into computers sucks. And yeah, I'm not fond of these either.
@@MrPolevaulter I also don't like either from what I've heard (I have tried the Katana but not the Nextone). But I understand the concept of the Nextone and I like the idea, I just think they didn't realise it with this amp. Yes to get the most out of it you must plug it in to a PC, that's because the idea of this amp is to be the dream 2 channel custom amp. In the editor you can choose which power amp circuit is combined with each channel and then you can set the bias and sag on each of these so if for example your dream amp is a fender style clean combined with a Marshall, you can build your dream amp with the Nextone without actually having to pull the amp apart or know anything about electronics. And that's a cool idea. The problem is that because the power amp circuits are actually 4 different analogue circuits, when you create a custom amp depending on how you create each channel switching between channels can be very slow. My other issue is I think the Boss gear is overrated, the Katana didn't live up to the hype for me, to me it wasn't any better than the Boss MFX pedals plugged into a solid state speaker and I've never thought their COSM stuff was impressive. So when Katana fans and almost everyone else pretty much doesn't like the Nextone and when I hear about the issues the amp is having like the switching delay and the limitations of the custom channels, at the moment I can't get excited about either. But that could change with a firmware update.
Then of course with all the other cool amps out now like the new Blackstar HT-20 MK2 and the Marshall Studio range it is impossible to get excited about the Nextone. The Blackstar can do more than the Nextone and it is a real tube amp. The Marshall amps are the quintessential players amp for that guy who loves one channel and does it all with his volume knob or likes a few pedals. I think the Studio Vintage, the Studio Classic and the new HT20 are the coolest value amps out there at the moment and with great deals like these it really is hard to care about digital gear trying to sound as good but not really getting there.
@@theauthenticsteve Yep, valves still rule :)
My Kat 100 sounds far better than this. I don't think it's the amp. It's the recording and EQ.
Angry bees.
Nice playing though.
Had both, Kat is cheap, very cheap in fact. It kinda works. The Nextone has better feel under the fingers but the lead channel sucks and you just have to go into editor which is a right royal pain in the backside. Frankly I want to plug into a amp and play. The Katana does this a lot better. The Blues Cube range are on another a completely different level. Expensive though, so my alternative suggestion is a Orange CR60...
Been thinking of trying a Blues Cube.
Katana is Clear going Thru a Katana on My End, Computer Out to Aux In.....LOL.......Also Listened on Mackie Monitors! Katana is Better for Me, It Sounds with a Celestion Cream-Back!
Yep.
But the Nextone is really good for clean Fendersound so maybe it´s a good speaker for that sound. Beats the Fender Hot Rod Deluxe in That Pedal Shows comparison: ua-cam.com/video/_QZOeXHB8AQ/v-deo.html
Cool bananas :)
Your playing is fabulous! Not a fan of the tones.
Cheers!
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Yep.
I like you playing very much, but I can't take anymore. Out @6:40
Thank you very much! You can check out my playing in other videos with better sounds if you want.
The nextones are going for less right now
I don't like neither. But as for the people that like it, power to them. Maybe it's time to touch the possibility of BOSS being one of the "untouchables" in terms of what we are allowed to criticise?
Might be :D
Elmo the katana is too bright sounding,it has the ice pick high frequencies! I know because my uncle just bought one and i tried it out at my house a few days ago,i cannot believe how over rated this amp is!Many well known youtuber's give it high ratings and i do not agree,i have a variety of different brand modeling amps and i had to put a beam blocker in my original peavey vyper 30w,the boss katana also needs one to filter out the high ice pick frequencies,i made one out of a blank CD and some wooden support strips i glued to the CD.You can also buy a webber beam blocker.
Elmo,this beam blocker mod will improve the sound of the katana's speaker without replacing it for another one that would cost you more money!I also agree about the noise gate,it should have at least a basic setting that you can adjust from the amp!I also think there is no cab modeling at all?I checked the boss katana editor and did not see any cab modeling?
I also did not see any user preset banks to save your settings,just channel 1 and 2?Getting back to the thin sounding speaker,there is barely any warmth from this speaker but that may also be because of the boss modeling?Boss should have used a closed back cabinet design,this would have improved the low end and overall tone of this amp in my opinion,i also think there is no guitar tuner built in the amp?Someone correct me if i am wrong?Elmo did you see a tuner in the katana?I know that my original peavey vyper sounds much better then the katana in my opinion,mainly the high gain models!
The Katana is indeed a bright amp. It's modeled as a Marshall so that's the reason. the speaker makes all the difference. I own the Artist that has the WAZA speaker and it's like night and day. I look at the Katana 50 as a practice amp but I'd only do a gig with the Artist. I don't even have to turn the trem down on it as it has plenty of bottom end.
I don't like the Katana enough to mod it. Also it isn't mine :D Thanks for the tip though.
Yuck - Get better Katana patches at V G U I T A R F O R U M S
I see the Katana as a 'full frequency' amp.... out of the box it doesn't sound that good. But using the tone studio, it's up to the person dial in-out what you want. There are better sounds to be found in there. Not just layering on some effects... The presence can be adjusted and graphic & parametric eq can take away harsh frequencies and emphasize what you like. Anyone that buys the Katana should at least give the Tone studio a fair shake before dimissing the amp. Some amps you're stuck with 'a sound', but the Katana is somewhat flexible at no extra cost.
@@jumpboy29 Katana is NOT a FRFR amp - its simply employs a British voiced speaker which is voiced like vintage 1960's Celestion speakers used in 1968 Marshall (much brighter than any Fender) - yes those are bright speakers
The katana is good for the money you have a big marshall probably cost 4x more what are you on about the boss amp is never going to be as good to you .send the next tone to me if you don't like it
You're free to buy it, although postage would cost a bit. Personally I prefer the Roland Cube series if we're speaking about affordable modelling amps.
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Both amps sound horrible. Thank you for demonstrating how these amps sound in real life, not like that spnosored, overproduced demo by Chris Buck, where Nextone sounded better than Fender Deluxe Reverb.
Nextone is a tremendous amp
Blackstar TVP ID vs Boss Nextone would be a more accurate shootout
Wow - I wasn’t prepared for the Katana to sound better in nearly every setting over the Nextone. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
Brett Bryant
The nextone isn't meant to replace the Katana. Have you tried both? The nextone sounds much better in my opinion.
Next one is much better
Next tone is much better to my ears
Unless it sounds much better in person than it does on my laptop, the Nextone is a fucking ripoff. It doesn't sound any better than the Katana to me, but it's much more expensive and lacks the Katana's effects.
profd65
Your laptop? As in the most shitty speakers you can listen to? Not even ear/headphones? Go try one yourself in store and see for yourself dude.