Buckthorn is genuinely the most underrated character among Watership Down media (and even fans) and it sucks. Dude was ride or die for his homies, got a bitten leg and bloody face to show for it, and even helped found a joint-Warren with Watership and became one of the most respected rabbits in both of them, but that ain’t cool I guess😔 #JusticeforBuckthorn
Ah, Pipkin! I loved how Bigwig had to explain the "birds and the bees" to him (I don't know if that expression is known in Britain-it is one used in Canada and the US to mean where babies come from) and then he tries to lord that knowledge over Fiver who tells him that Hazel told him this "ages ago" (3 or 4 weeks ago) I also love Roy Kineer as Pipkin in the '78 movie. I know him from a lot of stuff from the 70s (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, The Three/Four Muskeeters, Melody, Herbie, and of course in the 80s in Return of the Musketeers (where he tragically died in real life) and he was in an episode of Supergran (a favourite of mine as a kid-especially because I had a crush on the first actress to play Edison) Did you see any of these films anybody?
Remember, I never saw the 90s cartoon, but your description of Pipkin's antics cement my desire to never see it. There are very few franchises that can be made into different sets of stories depending on the age group in my opinion. They tried this with Transformers making them "rescue bots" I'm not sure how well I liked that. The only one that I think did a good job was Nancy Drew (there is the regular series with her being a teen crime solver, and then one where she is 8 solving kiddie problems with her friends (of the same age)) The aging down Watership Down sounds awful to me. Pipkin amusing Woundwort??? UGH!
Actually 90s cartoon itself is not bad (although has many problems) and has best takes on some aspect (like Efrafa and Cowslip' warren). And despite being the most kid-friendly adaptation, it's still allowed for more grim elements (in this series there is blood, which is usually a no-no in children's animations. And some characters are dying. And in one episode there is a strong suggestion that the main characters killed the weasel). And it's probably the most brutal kid cartoon based on an R-rated movie :) (yeah, I know WD'78 is PG). EDIT: And people behind the movie made these cartoon. As for Pipkin and Woundwort... At least they justified it well. Pipkin in this version is an orphan and lost his parents in the same circumstances as Woundwort, who shows sympathy (his sad childhood is shown better here the Netflix version). And treating the prisoner well makes sense, because Woundwort as a wise guy has good arguments in negotiations (in medieval times political prisoners were imprisoned in good conditions). And at least it gives the villain some depth and he is not one-dimensional (BTW, Adams said years later that Woundwort could have made an anti-hero). And that usually cringey moment of stopping the bad guy from being killed "don't be like him etc." in this cartoon works because Pipkin sees no reason for his companions to kill someone who treated him good.
Buckthorn is genuinely the most underrated character among Watership Down media (and even fans) and it sucks. Dude was ride or die for his homies, got a bitten leg and bloody face to show for it, and even helped found a joint-Warren with Watership and became one of the most respected rabbits in both of them, but that ain’t cool I guess😔
#JusticeforBuckthorn
I can get behind that hashtag 🙂
Ah, Pipkin! I loved how Bigwig had to explain the "birds and the bees" to him (I don't know if that expression is known in Britain-it is one used in Canada and the US to mean where babies come from) and then he tries to lord that knowledge over Fiver who tells him that Hazel told him this "ages ago" (3 or 4 weeks ago) I also love Roy Kineer as Pipkin in the '78 movie. I know him from a lot of stuff from the 70s (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, The Three/Four Muskeeters, Melody, Herbie, and of course in the 80s in Return of the Musketeers (where he tragically died in real life) and he was in an episode of Supergran (a favourite of mine as a kid-especially because I had a crush on the first actress to play Edison) Did you see any of these films anybody?
We do indeed have that phrase here 🙂
@@newell.fisher What does that face mean after your comment?
@@SJHFoto Just a smile :)
Remember, I never saw the 90s cartoon, but your description of Pipkin's antics cement my desire to never see it. There are very few franchises that can be made into different sets of stories depending on the age group in my opinion. They tried this with Transformers making them "rescue bots" I'm not sure how well I liked that. The only one that I think did a good job was Nancy Drew (there is the regular series with her being a teen crime solver, and then one where she is 8 solving kiddie problems with her friends (of the same age)) The aging down Watership Down sounds awful to me. Pipkin amusing Woundwort??? UGH!
Actually 90s cartoon itself is not bad (although has many problems) and has best takes on some aspect (like Efrafa and Cowslip' warren). And despite being the most kid-friendly adaptation, it's still allowed for more grim elements (in this series there is blood, which is usually a no-no in children's animations. And some characters are dying. And in one episode there is a strong suggestion that the main characters killed the weasel). And it's probably the most brutal kid cartoon based on an R-rated movie :) (yeah, I know WD'78 is PG). EDIT: And people behind the movie made these cartoon.
As for Pipkin and Woundwort... At least they justified it well. Pipkin in this version is an orphan and lost his parents in the same circumstances as Woundwort, who shows sympathy (his sad childhood is shown better here the Netflix version). And treating the prisoner well makes sense, because Woundwort as a wise guy has good arguments in negotiations (in medieval times political prisoners were imprisoned in good conditions). And at least it gives the villain some depth and he is not one-dimensional (BTW, Adams said years later that Woundwort could have made an anti-hero). And that usually cringey moment of stopping the bad guy from being killed "don't be like him etc." in this cartoon works because Pipkin sees no reason for his companions to kill someone who treated him good.