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E TEC telltale trouble
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- Опубліковано 4 кві 2017
- In this video I quickly show the route the tell tale takes on an Evinrude E-TEC motor so you can see all the places that a blockage can occur stopping the telltale from flowing.
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Legend, was thinking I'm not going boating today, found the blockage 1 min after watching this, thanks for posting, I like it was short and straight to the point, very helpful , thank you 👍
Thanks I blew compressed air and cleared the clock. Back in business. Love your vids really helpful and well put together.
You're welcome Alex, glad to hear you got it sorted.
This was SUPER helpful. THANK YOU! I did exactley what you suggested and checked each section and found the blockage.
Nice tip Stu. I never thought there could be this much plumbing just for a telltale! My Evinrude 48 SPL has no computers or VRO it's as simple as you can get. Now my Yamaha 150 is a whole different story!
It's a bit nuts. It took me a while to realise there was so much of it which is why I thought it was worth putting up the short vid.
Just the type video I like; concise and informative. Only long enough to impart the necessary information.
Bit worried about you Stu, Now sign of a beer anywhere in this episode.
Thanks mate, I'm feeling better now. ;) Actually, I'm not really because last night we took the 150 for it's first trip and had too many beers afterwards!
Q
Thank you for this video !!
Your videos are brilliant. I have a 175 etec over heating. The pipe going through the ecu has no water flow at all cold or warm it’s connected to the thermostats. I have removed the thermostats and ran until I get the overheat light but no water comes out the thermostat housing. Should water flow in or out the thermostats?
Your videos all ways 👏
Thank you so much 😀
I find it interesting that even though the Etecs are super advanced, they (at least the Gen1) still use the old school "triangle" OMC fuel pumps
Peter Jensen it’s to keep the parts standard
I guess this would also be the reason why some outboards take a while after starting to get a stream from the tell tale compared to outboards of yesteryear? My old 1983 johno would shoot a pee stream almost instantly after starting, but the newer df140 takes a fewer more seconds (10-20secs i think) to start peeing. Thanks for the short and informative vid Stu :)
That is a good point that the water has a lot further to travel in this type of system.
THOSE E-TEC ARE DIFFERENT BEAST IN DEED
Sure are!
Thank you very much for your help.. I have another engine. evinrude etech 30 hp coils are not receiving energy. We tried 3 ECUs. It is a steering system, but it is not connected to the steering wheel at the moment, we are just connecting the cables to the battery and trying it. They say it will not work without connecting the ignition key. Hello, good day my friend..
I have a 2013 etech 115. The over heat light is coming in but water pump is new and installed correctly with a good telltale. I disconnected hoses on emm and flushed water in both directions. No sign of blockage. I put thermostats in pan if water and they opened before 150 degrees F. Now I'm trying to locate the temperature sensor. Anything else I should check?
Water comes out the tell tale when the outboard is running but when I have a garden hose installed it doesn't, is that normal? I'm having some issues with my motor going into limp mode.
Good vidios Stew. Could you show the teltale flowing? Mines slow
G'day, love your vids! I have just replaced my 2009 90 etec water pump and cannot get a tell tale. I've rechecked the fitting and am sure the job is correct. There wasn't a problem with the old one. Would it need bleeding?
Just subscribed and enjoying all of your videos. Thinking of repowering my 18 ft aluminum V-hulled fishing boat. It currently has a 1994 Yamaha 70 hp (2 stroke of coarse) Thinking about a new Yamaha 70 4 stroke but concerned about the ability of this motor to get the carcasses of myself and overfed friends up on plane. Current motor can do it, but it takes some time. I heard the 4 stroke will not have the grunt on the low end that the current motor provides. That leads me to the 75 etec. I like the video of it jumping up on plane, it is lighter than the larger 75 HP 4 strokes, not sure I'm comfortable with all the magic that makes it work. I've become accustom to a very reliable and low drama motor, would you recommend an etec?
Also, you seem like a very smart and hard working guy, hope you are well paid for your efforts.
Hey Tom. 18 ft is a pretty big boat, but I know my friend's 15 ft boat gets on the plane amazingly quickly with a 60 Yamaha four stroke on it. I would personally always go for a four stroke, but that's just my preference.
Yeah, the cooling system on these engines is really complicated, and a bit over engineered for sure....It is important to keep that system clean to avoid setting ECU overheat codes and damaging the ECU. This cooling system must be properly drained to avoid freeze damage to these components as well. Running one of these engines through sand or mud really creates some cooling nightmares!
Although it never gets freezing here, it isn't hard to imagine the damage that could do. This one was overheating because it had been run through mud, it was quite blocked up.
Hello. We changed the e tech 25 hp petrol pump. but everything works normally, the energy comes, the pump works, but the engine does not start by gurgling.. we spray the cylinders with lining spray. Hello..
I can't wrap my head around the ecu thing. I imagine the engineers sitting together like we have this expensive and delicate electronics here let's better rum a stream of sea water thro it, yeah great idea!
Must be the same engineers that decided the spark plugs have to face a certain direction to work properly! ;)
Dangar Marine True! It's quite a pain to line up the sparkplugs if you get unlucky and almost none fit correctly.
Guess two stroke injection engines need alot of electronics to pass emissions
Those same engineers are the ones who make cars that require you to remove the tire to change a battery....
Def quite a circuitous route for water to traveI. I would guess that the internal electronics within the ECU are potted in epoxy....so water isn't going to affect them. The biggest prob is see with the design...is that it's prob prone to clogging easily, should debris be sucked up into the motor. This is esp true for those who powerload their boats at the launch.
Would you prefer a fan cooled radiator mounted on top? Lmao
30 hp etech marine engine does not charge the battery. What can I do? I wish you a good day, my friend
The water contains some particulate matter and the small pipes are going to get blocked. Relying on the tell tale for ECU cooling is a bad idea. Wander if any have been fried because of a blockage.
It does seem very fragile. This particular one had been driven through shallow water and was quite blocked.
My etec seems to take forever for the water to take up and come out of the telltale. About 30-40 seconds. Would that long route up around be the cause?
Mine took 1 minute 32 seconds before water came out.
I wonder if the water going through the ECU is also checked for flow? So if your cooling water is not present after a minute or two the engine goes into limp home or shut down mode? There is not much in an ECU that needs cooling normally (it would be crazy not to build them to car standards, and the car ones are 85deg C operation rated) , maybe the voltage regs and the coil FETS, but using FETs as switches usually means almost no heat at all.
But what a convulated pipe path, lots of connections to leak or mix up!
Agree Ron, I don't see how every other engine management system in the world manages to get away without being water cooled. The potential for blockages and leaks is huge with this outboard.
Dangar Marine well on a lot of Diesel engines the use the fuel to cool down the ECU. For an example an Bosch EDC7 draws 35amps that 820W to cool of. The drive steps to the injectors uses quite a lot of power
The injector power is included in the ECU`s power rating, but of course the power is dissipated at the injectors, not in the ECU itself. But fuel cools the injectors of course. But I don't disagree that the multiphase injection scheme used for modern diesel engines , and increasingly the direct injection petrol engines means hotter running ECUs. They could use bigger heatsinks and just airflow for a far simpler solution, but that means using more aluminium or copper, and therefore cost. Weight is not a consideration or else the seat motors, window motors , 25 cup holders and 35 airbags could all be eliminated .
Its an inch from the engine block and 4 inches from the exhaust manifold...Using vents and fins isn't sufficient because of heat transfer(thermodynamics) and space limitations. mechanics 101 here boys 😂
so is there a screw in restrictor plug on a 2013 e-tec 30 horsepower?
For some reason (after the dealer changed the impeller and gasket) I cannot get water from the telltale unless I run it in a barrel of water?? What could be the cause of this? I have plenty of water pressure and new water cups to connect hose
What about the fitting in the middle of the vapor separator. I bought my motor used and when it was shipped to me there is a crack in the plastic where the middle fitting vertically toward the outside of the canister is located. I pulled the hose off and it was all rusty inside. I went to blow on it and it taste like salt water. Now I have put it in the water and started it, and it leaks out water through the crack. I was just going to remove the fitting and try epoxy instead of buying a new vapor separator.
hi Dang,my vtec 150 is spending oil,what should i check,i lost 1 liter of oil in 150 hour of work time
Check the compression on the motor. You could have worn rings meaning you are burning oil. Does it blow much smoke? It could also be a blown head gasket meaning oil is leaking out or could also be the lower main seal that is leaking.
engine is violently shaking in neutral,but higher rpm is steady,smoke is normal,thanks,you are the man,i assume if it is lower seal i would be able to spot oil marks in water but i dont
06 90hp ETC, I get telltale in the lake but not on earmuffs? I notice other ETC’s on UA-cam getting telltale on earmuffs, what should look at?
the crazy thing about the vst canister is no common sense replacement parts. if u break a fuel line nipple off the top screw in cover, you have to buy the whole canister new $600.00. instead of a new cover and o ring. Then the tiny vst filter. but i wouldn't trade my 200hp e tech for a different brand. love my e tec
It's a shame it is only sold as a while unit. That's a lot of money for what could be a simple part swap as you say.
Hi fella hay I was wondering if you have any ideas on a etec gen 1 running issue it was working fine when I took it out to the lake couple of months ago went accross the lake then was using the aux to troll but had to start and stop the big moter as was really windy and needed it to correct the steering … at end of the day went to give it a good blow out and it was coughing spluttering missing I thought I’d fouled the plugs so got some new ones and made sure they were indexed correctly same thing would idol fine but soon as you accelerate starts coughing spluttering . So I changed all filters along with fresh fuel same thing . I was told they have a choke that can stick open but can’t find any info on location but I’m at a loss on what it could be it’s obvious it’s a fuel thing but I’m stumped on what to do next
Cheers Craig
Good afternoon I write to you from Colombia, excellent for your videos. One question what happens if I put injectors of a 175 hp on a 90 hp

any info on volvo penta 140....cause i have one and jst looking on working on it myself ....funny mechanics here in Auckland dont want anything to do with it....i knw hehe...but still i like and wish to keep it going....it'll be nice to know some more info or even a video of it on your channel...thanks
Hi mate, I've never had a Volvo in the shop which makes it hard to tell you much or do any videos on one, but good on you for wanting to keep it going. I suggest searching the net for a PDF service manual to start with. If you plan to keep it going that will be essential.
good...
Hugh...
Thanks mate.
I have a 25 evenrude etec it runs and after 10 minutes running it shuts of and won’t start for another 20 minutes what could b the problem sir
Same problem here, any updates
ankledeep11 I fix it it was the electric fuel gas pump
@@ankledeep11 same problem here
any updates mine is a 90 hp e tec
Vst fuel pump failure
I want a pull a trigger for an etec 90hp 2019. I have done some research. The stories are not all positive for Evinrude. What is your opinion?
I've seen some last really well, even after having sunk a couple of times and some fail early for no apparently reason. Not a big sample size but they do seem a bit hit and miss.
Question. Should I be able to blow air in the water intake of the VST and Have it come out the other end (2009 6hp Etec)? I have tried this at both ends using a hose and blowing by mouth. Thanks
I would imagine so, yes, as water is supposed to flow through there to keep the fuel cool.
I live in newfoundland and in winter season these engines have to run for a while before the you see any tell tale from rear on really cold days.. Supplier says not to worry.. Amy thoughts on this??
There is quite a bit of piping to fill before water will come out the telltale, but I wouldn't expect it to take more than about 15 seconds.
Suspect something freezes. After the engine runs for maybe 5 mins or so it starts to flow. Winter temps are around -15C and windchill can be around-25C. Doesn't set no codes or nothing.
Stu, what is your opinion on these newer etecs? I am thinking of getting a 50 ho for my 17 foot fiberglass run about from the 60s
They seem to be pretty good motors. I have a mate that has one and it has been going quite well other than one warranty repair.
Thank you for the reply. They seem to make sense to me even though I dont understand why the seem to be heavier than some 4 strokes... It's hard to find any legitimate testimonials of long usage anywhere on the net. The water-cooled ECU part doesnt seem to make much sense to me but who knows
Hi Stu I have a 2005 225hp E-Tech the alarm gauge is sounding only when running slow around 1000 rpm shut it down and restart and runs a few minutes sounds again,but doesn't happen when running at higher rpm's also pissing strong. What do you think the problem is Thanks Bryan
You'd need to have a scanner plugged into the ECU to see what the alarm is.
I didn't get the part about cooling the fuel. Looks like water coming thru the ECU would be warmer than fuel coming from the tank. Could you better explain the fuel cooling theory?
Hi Michael. The fuel from the tank is cool yes, but with EFI motors the fuel is kept under pressure at about 40PSI and unused fuel is recirculated. This is the fuel that needs cooling to stop it from boiling.
Hey Stu, I’m finding a lot of evinrude Gen 2 issues with not peeing water. Any experience with them? I have one at the shop. Just to get into it is a task. Lol
Unfortunately this is the only etec I've ever worked on.
Do you know about etec tvs?
Do you know if a 25 inch shaft 115 Etec can be converted to 20 inch? I have a 115 etec with blown power that is 20 inch which I need for my well craft 180 fisherman but I found a great price on a 115 etec with a 25 inch shaft. Can I swap parts and make the 25 a 20?
Thanks man love your videos.
If the price is right, I would just take the powerhead off the new outboard and put it in your original motor.
I thought about that too but the blown motor is a 2005 in not the best shape the new motor is a 2014 looks new. I’m thinking about running a 5 inch vertical extension plate if I can’t change the stack
Great video as always. What's your feeling on the Gen 1 Etecs? I'm contemplating a used one that is very clean and the printout looks good.
If it's in good condition it could be a good buy. I'm not a big fan of e-tecs but if the price is right...
@@DangarMarine thank you. I appreciate the honesty.
Well ours is weird were getting over heat warning even with full water flow. We have an e-etc 150. Doesn’t always do it. It stumped the dealer. Runs great and fuel efficient that part is great. How ever why the over heat tone comes up after being on plane for a bit. Being in cooler weather still water temp is in the upper sixties. We don’t run her hard just around 3100 rpms or so but ever since new same thing. Please find an answer. My father isn’t pleased at all. We would like to have a fishing trip where we don’t have to stop shut it off for a bit start up go again sometimes it corrects itself runs normal others she decides I’m hot. My dad thinks its in the electronics i think the emm or engine management module is bad. SOS please help?
So does it actually overheat? Even with full water flow if the thermostat is jammed closed or the water galleries blocked it can still over heat. An infra red thermometer is a great way to test the actual temperature of the head. It could also just be a bad temperature sensor in the block.
If my steering is smooth and easy will it get stiff if I grease the pivot tube
No, it should stay smooth and easy. If you use a non marine grease it may stiffen up over time as the grease reacts to the water and salt.
ok thanks, I was just wondering because I used to always grease my old motor with marine grease but I just got a newer outboard and was just wondering.
Hi man my evinrude ficht 250 2003 is running bad or slow mode after 10 +- minutes of work. Then i only move the shifter to neutral and it work fine for 5 more minutes
Hmmm, that's a weird one. Might need to get it scanned and see if there are any error codes. It sounds a bit like an overheat but it could be a sensor failure too.
My own questions is what is the reason that it fix just for goin to neutral ???
thinking about buying a 2008 25 hp etec, anything to look out for?
don t get a mercury or yamaha
I assume the nipple on the exhaust cover is before the water goes into the engine, correct ? The ECM and the VST want the coldest water possible !
Yes, it is water that hasn't been through the motor.
Interesting, thanks. So it shows the pump is working, but not that it's getting through the engine/cooling, etc.
RichE
RichE - Good point ! Most telltales are at least warm. I guess they are relying on the temp sensor to warn for that.
I have a 75 etec im trying to connect to diagnostic wire from boat to my labtop can u help me any
Never hooked up an e-tec for diagnostics, sorry.
@@DangarMarine 3 pin deutch plug usually forward of flywheel.
What would you rather have a 4stroke or etec?
Four stroke.
Thank you. I've made my choice. Im gonna go with the honda 50hp 4stroke.
California sunshine don't do it. Less torque, worse hole shot, more fuel use at WOT, yearly dealer required maintenance instead if every three. Oil changes yearly. Considerably heavier. Same 3 star epa rating as an etec . This guy is a fucking idiot
My brother bought a good used Lund 16 ft with a newer 40hp Honda. Gut less, and plowed water. We tried everything to get it up on plane. Never did. My buddy 25hp 2 stroke Mercury blew past him all the time. He bought a 40 2 stroke and problem solved. Im buying a 60hp Evinrude E-Tech very soon. My 50 hp Mercury never ran very well, and I service it properly. its a 2001 and its time for new. Each time I tilt it up for over 20min its a bear to start, Im fed up with it.
Etec's are designed to cool the fuel?
Yes, because of the high pressure of fuel injection the fuel needs to be kept cool as the pressure increases the temp.
Dangar Marine I had the sensor service soon sign come up on a new gen 1 Etec on Saturday. It was a boiling hot day, 40C + and I was fanging it like a good Aussie with the kids. Could the night ambient temp just be the problem or more. New engine, 2 years old. I’ll take out again but won’t know unless the message come back but often the computer needs clearing on these motors I’d imagine. Engine lost no power, in fact I think I beat the devil out of it and it performed as always, smashed all contenders. 135HO G1. I love this engine. Different to the V4, in that it’s better but the 130 V4 G1 is a weapon considering it’s weight and output. The sound can’t be beat either errr, save for the V6. But again, I’ve had both and both kick arse. I’m nervous about these 3 cylinders though...
etech 25hp not getting over 3800 rpm at WOT!?... only 12knot 🤯
Back flush... Back flush... Back flush...
If you show us how to make a quick connection to the tell tale outlet we can then Back flush... the entire engine - which usually dislodges most debris (especially if performed regularly as a standard engine flush - only in reverse)
Water going in through the telltale won't go through the engine on most models. ua-cam.com/video/joEQChcZl2A/v-deo.html
Video wasn't long enough :'( not enough Stu
A while ago I tried to start doing short midweek quick tips, things that didn't make a full weekend video but were worth sharing anyway, even if it is just for people who have the exact problem looking for a solution. Weekend videos will stay long format.
woohoo! Love your content. So helpful!! Keep up the good work.
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You're quick off the mark Deano!
Does this mean it won't start unless it's like this?!?!
Can u email me please my 07 225ho etec i believe its the hot buzzer that goes off