George Foreman: Was Rumble in the Jungle fixed?
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- Опубліковано 2 сер 2024
- George Foreman discusses his controversial loss to Muhammad Ali in the Rumble in the Jungle, how he’s opted to drop the excuses and move on and why he regrets missing precious time with Ali due to their fight history.
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"There's nothing wrong with getting knocked down in life. It's all about getting up." Man, that dude is a very wise man!
There is certainly nothing wrong in getting knocked down by the greatest.
@@andyelliott8027 Indeed! But Foreman got up by the 7 count and he was clearly able to fight another round and there were only 3 seconds left in the 8th round. Referee, Zach Clayton never evaluated George's condition, the officiating during this fight was disgraceful! Ali in the Foreman fight, held behind Foreman's neck over 100 times and he was pushing Georges head down and rabbit punched Foreman multiple times.
@@richardmilliken8705 If you time it you'll see Foreman was counted out, before he was up and it was exactly 10 seconds from the time he hit the floor to the time the ref stopped the fight. That's a KO. There could have been 1 second left in the round, he hit the floor with 11 seconds left, that's irrelevant though, he was counted out. The fight ended as the ref spread his arms.After 10 seconds he was not up.
@@andyelliott8027 It's very clear that George was on the canvas with 10 seconds left in the 8th round and Ali was declared the winner by KO 2:58 of Round 8. Foreman was dropped at the end of round 8 and was on his feet at the 8 second mark on the 10 count. This is an undefeated champion who was winning every round and was able to make it to his feet by the 8 second mark. The Ref- Zach Clayton never even talked to Foreman. George was never evaluated and Clayton just waved the fight over and declared Ali the winner. Had the fight continued, Foreman would've been given a minute to recover before he came out for the 9th round. It doesn't matter what you or i count to, it is very clear that George is on his feet by the time we hear 8 from the ring announcer.
@@richardmilliken8705 The fight was stopped exactly 10 seconds after he hit the floor. It was also stopped before he was on his feet. If you stop the video when he hits the floor you'll see there are 11 seconds remaining in the round. The count you hear in the commentary is NOT the ref counting but the commentator, it bears no relationship to the OFFICIAL count from the ref, who you cannot hear,there was no microphone on the ref. The ref's count(which is the only count) starts at 11 secs to go and finishes when he waves his arms to end the fight with 1 second to go. Do you realise nobody can hear the count apart from the ref and Foreman and certainly not the TV audience. The fight ended when the ref waved his arms BEFORE George was on his feet. Watch the ref and the clock and don't listen to the commentatator, he is not the referee.
It's crazy how big George was seen as just a big brute that could hit hard. In reality he's such an articulate man.
Changed his whole way of thinking once he gave his life to his creator.
He's a different man now, but back then he was a brute and a bully - and very dangerous. I recall in one of his fights (I think against Ken Norton) where he had knocked him down, and Norton was on one knee on the floor, and Foreman tried to hit him while he was still down - and would have connected but for the referree stepping in and blocking his punch. Had he connected he would've decapitated Norton.
At the start of this video he's still looking for excuses as to why he lost to Ali. That fight wasn't 'fixed'. It's quite simple - he was beaten by a man who was faster and smarter than he was, and who was 5 times tougher than Foreman thought he was. George tried to bully Muhammad Ali as he had done all his previous opponents - but that night, it didn't work.
@@johnosullivan6439 He fell just like Sonny Liston. It’s actually rather scary how similar they both lost to Ali when they were expected to win by a land slide.
@@johnosullivan6439 He was drugged
Big George is one of the very few boxers who isn't punch drunk.
He was built like a tank.
I really like listening to his stories - he gives hope to people.
George foreman is a much smoother talker for anybody let alone a retired guy. It's amazing boxing hasn't taken it's toll as it has with other athletes who take head trauma
thewiezman purely genetics. A true battle tank.
I think the fact that as Jimmy Young once pointed out, ''George didn't absorb punishment, he gave it out''in his youthful career is one reason he's lucid today. and a 14 yr. rest from Boxing didn't hurt. he wasn't even out of his 30's when he started his 2nd career. but if he has unfortunate symptoms at some point it's from that 2nd one. he took some shots that would've KO'd a brick shit house .his defense was not always present. he could ,tho, rely on power always .offense usually ruled the day in his whole career. I don't know what sense it makes to talk about the water now .while still admitting he got his title taken away legitimately w/ punches.also, invariably in boxing a fighter will object to a fight ( for his title, yet) being stopped even if he knows he's finished .Foreman made no apparent pretense (which is what it usually is, anyway).about it at all. it was like he wanted to go take a nap. but the Pryor/Argueo fight sure looks fishy as far as the 'water'goes.so, who knows? he's implying ,tho, that 'medicine ' fowled him up.
thewiezman when your brought up to respect your elders.Not a very nice man who gave george water. What a dimebar. wonder what the replly would be today to the same man?
Just goes to support the idea of Ali being poisoned
nazirdjon I didnt know this about ali? being posioned. sad if the case. George a great guy
You lost that match but you won in life big George
Sure did.
HT logistics3434 yeah that loss was the very beginning of big things for George
@Gavin James ur a what lmao and that phrase been said more than a thoundsand times genius
HT logistics3434 god bless
Truuuuuth.
what great wise mature humbled person
I didn't realise how widespread hate-speech is. It explains why Mohammed Ali could be a dick-head occasionally despite being inclined to a warm heart.
Damian McCreedy All the adjectives
In the UK the saying was 'What's said on the field stays on the field. "
fuck the uk
Ali is the greatest boxer of all time. Would it hurt to admit that you lost to him fair and clean? It clearly was a clean fight... Ali doesnt need to cheat everybody knows that..
Nothing wrong in knocked down in life.. But it is about getting up...🙏
Never heard that cliche before
Pepsi Lovin' Asian Janitor
It’s certainly not new. It’s been said in different ways ... “no shame in falling, the shame is in not getting back up” ...
Arr Jee please note my sarcasm
@@stitcha123 Note the fucks not given for an entire 10 months?
pftttt never heard that cliche before.
George Foreman is a wonderful human being. Respect to him.
I feel good inside everytime I hear George Forman talk. A man very strong inside and out that speaks eloquently of goodness. Thank you to you George for being in my lifetime!!
Foreman is one of the greatest heavyweight champions of all time! He’s there with Jack Johnson, Rocky Marciano, Mike Tyson, Jack Dempsey, Muhammad Ali.. etc. Much respect to the legend!
Holyfield
and it's unthinkable that any of those guys could've won back the title 20 yrs later!!
Larry Holmes top 3 also! C'mon now, keep it real!
@@michaelmckenzie6311 And Smokin' Joe Frazier
Tyson Fury!
I used his grill today lol
TheRandomDude R
You can’t of done because I’ve been using it!
Knock out the fat.
I make grilled cheeses with the grill😂😂😂😂😂
Build2last 2k 117 banned lol
TheRandomDude R his son’s grill*
I love Foreman, he’s such an honest and genuine man.
Big George went from the scariest man in the world to a really kind and humble man. Doesn't matter who you were in the past you can always change for the better.
This drink thing is BULL..Ali was Just too brilliant, right hands started landing from round 1..only round Foreman maybe won was round 5...Ali was at his physical fittest that night...NO ONE in the world could have taken those body punches by Foreman that night ever and survived, ONLY ALI
George Foreman is peace loving man, he is a beautiful man himself, we love you George
I give you props, George, but you got outsmarted and outboxed that night. That’s all there is it to it.
Proof he reads the comments! Thank you and keep up the good work Graham
Just an example of what makes George one of the greatest of all time, there will *NEVER* be another man with the combination of character, determination, and power as George Foreman.
What a fighter - What a man! Good to see one of the greatest Boxers still in good health.
Like how he acknowledges that just being in the ring with Ali was a privilege
How can you not love this man? So humble and smart.. Big George is one of a kind.
Absolute class act he has every excuse to say Ali's win wasn't legitimate and he'll never say it because he knows ali won.
He’ll never say it because he doesn’t want to tarnish Ali’s best win and legacy. Foreman is saying he was cheated without saying it, otherwise why would he mention it at all? I’m such detail as well?
George Foreman what a beautiful soul this humble men has, may God continue to bless him!
Love the comment, "its not about getting knocked down, its about getting back up!"
I compliment you George Foreman the true gentleman that you turned out to be.. that fight that you lost to Muhammad Ali turned you into what you are today.. The Comeback that you made in your 40s to win the heavyweight championship,, a truly remarkable story..
George Foreman is a class act!!
I believe that loss was the making of this legend! Inspiration to us all! 🥊🥊 thank you big man ❤
A great man and a great example of how anyone can live better
Big George. God Bless you sir ✌🏻
Gotta love George’s newfound wisdom and humbleness
Christ Did🙏🏾❤️🩹
He is so wise and peaceful. Floyd Mayweather should take notice.
george foreman is in his 60s
Alex James shut up
When Floyd is Foreman's age, he will be the same.
That's what they used to say about Muhammad Ali...
Alex K fuck you
This loss make him really successful FOR THE REST OF HIS LIFE......
Always loved Big George
and now you can express your homosexuality openly. times have changed.
You wouldn't love him if you have to face him in the ring back in his youth.
@@mathieutyler00 stfu
DUDE George Foreman is 68 years old?!?!?
redcomic619 - I don't get it? it says you are a comic, and I love to laugh, will you explain your joke? thanks!
relax punchy, no one is talking to you
@@mollkatless Black don't crack.
Black don't crack.
@fearlesslegend you mad wrinkle puss?
Ali did predict George would tire,and he did.
George is a classy guy
Such an inspiration and a great role model ! Awesome words of wisdom.God bless
I believe him. I know someone heavily involved in the highest stratosphere of the boxing game. And believe me, it's no game.
My father was hooked up I still talk to Joe Lewis's son Sinatra took care of Joe Lewis that mob ran the show
".....You lose a lot of time with people who could have ben your best friends ...who have so much in common with you...we lost that ..early on with Muhummad Ali...Joe Frazier..Ken Norton and I...we could have been the best of friends...."
WOW!!!
Truer words were never spoken..sadder words were never spoken.
GOD BLESS THESE MIGHTY MEN.
We may never see their like again.
All time favorite boxer big George foreman !! So great to have been able to watch his epic comeback in the 90s
Badass boxer and badass grills. I love George Foreman in so many ways.
It's not about getting knocked down in life. It's about getting back up.
mike carl ❤️❤️
This is interesting. I've always wondered about this fight. Before I even heard this, I was wondering whether he was drugged, because he looked so sluggish in the later rounds. To me, it did look like a fast count. I need to look at it more closely, but I thought he was up at the count of ten. If so, the round was over, and the ref could have waited at least until the next round before the fight was stopped. There was also a suspicious comment by Herbert Muhammad about giving the ref money to stop the fight if Ali was in trouble. (see Thomas Hauser's book.)
Even with all of this - I think Ali would have won anyway. His style was too much for George, and George was used to fights being over before the third round. I was in sixth grade when this fight occurred, and I think I was the only one in my class who picked Ali, and I won 50 cents in a bet.
George has a great way of looking at this. By losing the fight, he found himself. He is a great man.
Let me know if any of my thoughts make sense. Polite rebuttals are welcome. Please refrain from personal attacks.
I just looked at the knockdown and count - it was awfully close. George went down with somewhere between eleven and ten seconds left in the round. It depends where you actually consider him down, as to where the count should begin. The referee started the count with between nine and eight seconds left. The announcer stated that the the referee was at count three with six seconds left in the round - which would imply that George had one extra second after the round ended to get up. (I assume there was no saving by the bell in this fight.) George was up on one knee with two seconds, but was not completely up by the time the round ended. The referee waved to end the fight just as the round ended, but appeared to be at a count of eight or nine. Anyway - awfully close. I can see an argument either way about whether it was a legitimate knockout.
@@josephschaeffer3403 yeah, all that could be true, however the referee usually determines if the boxer is still in the physical state to resume the fight even if he beats the count. I don’t however remember any fight where any boxer who was sluggish to his feet was allowed to continue the fight even if he just beat the count.
Glad George saw the defeat for what it was and he found his true self and strength. For it is in defeat that we truly know what stuff we’re made of.
@@Timeculture Agreed. We learn much more from our defeats than our victories. Thanks for the comment.
Couldn't be fixed - if you throw everything but the kitchen sink - and still get knocked out.Ali was not more powerful,but a smarter boxer than Foreman.
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Ali fought a great fight, but Foreman aided him in beating himself! Big George didn’t properly pace himself, and punched himself out too early. He under estimated Ali and paid the price.
Weird in that Clay/Ali won his first title by dancing around the ring against Liston, then won his second by, basically, standing still.
@@willieholmes1483 It's only Ali, never Clay.
@@ImmortalAbsenon Always clay.. Always was
“It’s about getting up”!
Thanks big man!
love George!
I don't believe the fight was fixed. Ali's greatest achievement later in his career and it's a shame he didn't retire after this fight. A remarkable achievement.
It’s was definitely fixed Big George Foreman has thrown plenty of big punches and never got tired before plus those loose ropes which allowed Ali to lay back on them and allowed Big George contaminated water to work. That’s why Ali didn’t throw a punch for all of those rounds he knew that medication need time to work in Big George’s body.
@@bossplayermfs5972 Good points👉 Don't know about water contamination but do agree with the ropes. Angelo's motto was "it ain't cheating if you can get away with it" lol
@@bossplayermfs5972 "It’s was definitely fixed" - and then of course you provide absolutely no actual evidence for such a thing. These are not good points at all.
@@Something-tx6cl GO FY fruitcake you if you want male attention that bad that you trolling to get it. Listen there’s a community that you go and get all of the “male” attention you want broke back boy.
@@Something-tx6cl anyone with non biased eyes can tell that this was a dodgy fight. You DONT want to believe it was fixed because of what the fight means to you and Ali’s legacy
Big George humble, genuine and likeable.
"It's nothing wrong in getting knocked down in life, It's about getting up"
"Nothing wrong in bring knocked down in life, its all about getting up..." True motivational words from the BIG George..!!!
The dedication these athletes have, dude gets depressed that he lost to ali, the greatest, that would not upset a normal person
He is fascinating psychologically. To go from the intense rage he used to have, to being one of the friendliest people in the history of the sport.
Naming all of his kids after himself is a little unusual to haha
Minnesota Fatz
LOL!! 😀😅😂
It is unreal. I was up and down as a fan. I loved him in the 1968 Olympics. Sure, he won the Gold Medal. It was how he went about it afterwards that grabbed everyone's attention, prancing around the ring with the American flag, bowing to all 4 sides of the ring. John Carlos and Tommy Smith had extended their black glove covered hands in a "black power" stand when they won. Nobody knew what George would do if he won, then he did his patriotic bows. I loved that version of George. Then, with his total destruction of Frazier, after the first knockdown, he spread his arms, and looked like he snarled at Joe while Joe was on the canvas. That's when I started seeing who he had been in the streets, a "violent, uncooperative human being", to paraphrase Larry Merchant. Years later, when in his last fight in his first go-round, he threw a punch at Jimmy Young, and as he was bringing that fist back, he tried to backhand Young. If you've never seen that, go back and watch the Young fight again. He did it at least once. At that point, I was glad George lost that fight. Many years later, when he fought Mike Jameson, he threw an uppercut, a trademark punch of George Foreman. This time, though, as he brought that fist down from the uppercut, he tried to use his elbow as a downward hammer on Jamesons nose!! Thankfully, he missed! I had been a huge fan again, and when I saw that, I thought oh no, here we go. But I never saw George do anything nasty again after that. I almost cried when he KOd Moorer. I had some friends over watching the fight, and after the 7th and 8th rounds, we kinda lost interest in the fight, as Moorer was clearly winning, and the beer and BS started flowing faster. All of a sudden the announcers got really loud, and everybody in the room stood up just as Moorer's feet flew up higher than the rest of his body, and his head bounced off the canvaa!! Everyone in the room was just blown away, as Jim Lampley said "the 68th man in 26 years to have fallen before the professional fury of George Foreman"!! At my house, the beers started flowing pretty fast after that!!! That was a great night in sports history, for sure. Can't believe it was 26 years ago.......
A man names his kids after him because he accomplished at something.
@@rodinowright6591 It’s multiple of them named George though
He’s so well together for fighting for as long as he did. This is amazing.
It melts my heart to hear George speak.. Such a gentle soul!
He's a very interesting guy. I remember watching him as a kid and he was muscular, mean and quiet. He disappeared for over 10 years and came back, out of shape, happy and very talkative. I think he would be a remarkable speaker. Hopefully there is a 30 for 30 story on him.
Only in the last few years have I seen many of Foremans fights from the late 80s to mid 90s, an incredible journey to become World Champion. Boxing and defeating hard and gritty maulers in slug fests, to outwitting slick young lightning bolt world champ prospects with the world at their feet. What an ageing Big George did in the mid-90s deserves enormous praise, a true legend in our lifetime.
George, so much respect for your attitude and inspiration to others about getting back up from defeats. You are a great person.
One very amazing beautiful man... Inside and out.....respect..
I lost myself as a man when I was laid off from a career. It took me many years to get up off the canvas and find myself again.
What a great champion of a person.
How can you not love Big George! What a sweetheart of a man
Hats off to you George Foreman. You're one of the all time greats and a very humble and honorable man. Thank you sir for your great contribution to the sport of boxing and the great message you get across to people.
George Foreman true humble warrior and toughest Heavyweight boxing legend to ever live! Much honor and respect to big George Foreman. He's one of the few heavyweights I truly am inspired by along with Joe Lewis and Earnie Shavers!
He’s still very intimidating.
I always remember Big George in Mexico standing center ring waving the flag. I wanted everyone to know where I'm from . God bless you Champ you'll always be a winner !
You can’t help but like George. Great man! 👍
I'm not saying he's right or wrong but I have always had the impression that Foreman was already wabbling at the start of the fight long before Ali started hitting him . Actually even Ali looked quite surprised when George went down, like he was wondering "this easy really?"
I already know
Yes sure it was fixed, Ali fixed it with a right hand
George actually said that about his fight with Moorer.
For some reason I read this in Charlie Murphy's voice
I can never get of listening to George. Always an inspiration.
I like how he talks peacefully and shows a lot of humor.
Man, when he says he wishes he could have been better friends with his fellow boxers.
There wasn't a single boxing writer who thought Ali could win. The dodgy water might just have been chlorine or iodine to combat the pollution.
This is the greatest heavyweight of all time. As a boxer and man. Even if one could explain away all the suspect occurrences that night as nothing more than conspiracy theories, the one thing that can't be denied is that Ali never wanted a piece of Big George again. Ali simply dodged him. Probably for good reason.
What a great guy, a great human being. God bless you George!
I read somewhere that Angelo Dundee was seen giving the ref money
Its also odd that Ali never gave George a rematch
And even if the count was fast foreman was on his feet when the ref waved him off
Back in those days I fight wasn’t waves offfuntil another man had been beaten almost to death so that early stoppage is a huge red flag
George what a gentleman
I love this man' spirit and energy he is a good man .
Graham, man your interviews are AMAZING. I cannot see you but blowing up on TV everywhere soon. keep it up!
Even today, on my best day I wouldn't mess with George on his worst day. I'd be folded and crinkled in seconds!
He could be 120 years old with arthritis in all his limbs and he would still kill us all with a harsh glare 🤣
George u lost to ali but dis interview won our hearts
Love this man! Smart, deep and real!!
Always a fan. Glad he came back, well into his 40s and 50s, ducking no one. Tough guy. Thanks George. Chuvalo paid nice respect to you in his book.
Even Mr. Miyagi said "OK lose to opponent but must not lose to Fear"! That's what George did too and He's a Great Man because of it!
Fighters are notorious for making all kinds of excuses for their loses, and like George said, they don't seem to complain when they win. Nothing is ever perfect in combat sports. Accept your legitimate losses like you do your wins.
Great post. You are an excellent interviewer Graham. George Foreman is a great champion and human being.
George is a true man and a great inspiration. Thank you for just being you
George foreman was one of the greatest fighters of all time but on that particular night he fought THE GREATEST MUHAMMAD ALI !!
Whats wrong ?
You became champ when You made the Foreman grill!
He aged well. He is a nice grandpa and he smiles alot. A great champion and a great man.
Really nice guy, thanks for the memories George, you'll always be my fav!
Well, it wasn’t the first time Ali had been involved in a fight that people thought was fixed.
People really thought he didn’t hit Liston 😂
@@AstroSully - he hit him ,but he did not hit him hard enough to knock him down , much less out
@@michaelnivens6267 What? Liston himself admitted Ali knocked him down. Wth is this shit.
@@AstroSully - Sonny took a dive
@@michaelnivens6267 Yeah lets believe Michael Nivens instead of people who were there and Liston himself.
Should've had a REMATCH !
Ali would never give George a rematch. And it would have been a huge payday for Ali. If you wonder whether there was medicine in George's water or not, that fact says YES.
@Pink Panther True facts are True facts. Even when they make you cry to momma.
I have a lot of respect for this man. He’s not a simple one dimensional boxer or person. Also, he’s doesn’t play blame games. Have a terrific life George. You deserve it!
Well done. Great interview. I think George Foreman is my favourite Athlete at the moment.
Foreman hadn't seen the 8th round in his previous 12 fights, and had gotten to the 4th round only once in that time. The fact that he gassed out in the 8th against Ali isn't necessarily suspicious, especially considering it was a hostile venue on a continent that he'd never fought in before. That said, knowing that Dundee had a history of abusing the rules (loosening the ropes before the fight, tearing Ali's glove after he was plastered by Henry Cooper, etc.), and knowing that Ali was backed by criminal elements in the Nation of Islam, I wouldn't be at all surprised if Foreman's water was indeed drugged before the fight. I think most would agree that if Foreman got the rematch he wanted so badly, Ali would have been knocked out. That's what makes it such an astounding, legendary victory for Ali. He probably drops 3 of a 4-fight series to 1974 George Foreman.
Matt Quigley are you sure? I mean, Ali took abuse from Forman, and it took 15 rounds to Chop down Ali that first time, and he then proceeded to beat him twice in very competitive rematches... Idk... Would have been a dream match, though, Ali Forman 2.
@@gregd806 I am sure, but it's still just an opinion. Ali knew he had to stay on the ropes because he couldn't survive against Foreman otherwise. In a rematch, Foreman would not have fallen for the rope-a-dope. He would have come in better conditioned and would not have burned himself out winging haymakers on Ali's arms.
@@mattquigley6518 and you must take in consideration that Ali is very smart so he can come up with a brilliant new strategy again.
@@mattquigley6518 I totally agree. That match was a big trap for Foreman, who had wiped out Frazier and Norton in just a few rounds before meeting Ali (who had been beaten by the two). Around the ring there were 100,000 possessed people shouting "Ali boomaye" (Ali kill him).The ropes, the count too fast... No hope for Foreman on that occasion. But he was stronger than Ali and would have beaten him under normal conditions. That match was a trap for George, no doubt.
The water was different it was Africa I went to Europe the water tasted different I went to Florida the water taste different I went to detroit glad I didn't try the water and between Illinois and Nebraska the water tasted different and now im in northwest and water is different there😘 ali took an ass whipping and came back a heart of a lion is what u call that
Moe Syzslak people like you sicken me. water is water taste the same everywhere you go unless it is tempered with by humans and he actual describe the taste as medicine like, so what natural water taste like medicine👂🤚
There was something put in his water, Shmoe.
@@ericjensen9091 foreman sucks
@@goatdezsi3527 He's not as blingy, however he's got mo money than you.
@@goatdezsi3527 he could still knock you out just the way he knocked a 22year old young athletic moorer out at the age of 45 to be the heavyweight champion again
I love George. So humble. So genuine.
Glad that he's saying this. I always thought the count was fast. I always get to 6 when the ref gets to 10. The other stuff I didn't know about.
The water was bad in the jimmy young fight also lol
I love Ali and Foreman but to still not take the defeat as a sportsman looks bad. He said in one interview that his water tasted like medicin... Now im no boxer but have competed in WTF Tae Kwon Do and Judo for many years and if my water tasted like medicin i would say something right there. And in a world heavyweight bout?.. I've never boxed as i said but why not tell the... Whoever and get the water analyzed?
Because his trainer gave it to him. And he did say something. He said it twice.
This is a True Champion and an Honest Man ...
It's not about getting knocked down in life, it's about getting up. Agreat quote from Big George.