Honestly, this mod kind of compromises a lot of what makes the final boss so great in the first place. Removing the ability to parry the gloom projectiles is easily my least favorite change. That’s there in the game as both a callback to previous Ganondorf fights and as a reward for attempting to fight back against something dangerous enough to decay both your shield durability and health, and it made the overall spectacle of the fight that much better. Quadrupling his health also didn’t seem to do much in terms of increasing the difficulty beyond making the fight more tedious than necessary, even with extremely high damage weapons. I’d personally just double it. Despite these issues, there is room for something good here. The actual final boss in game definitely could’ve used way less wind-up between attacks, and forcing the player to tighten up their timing in order to fight back seems like it would fit perfectly into the natural progression of the fight.
I think he is using the prologue master sword(obtained via glitches) which can't deflect the gloom gloobs. That's like literally the only upgrade the sword gets.
Yes, at the beginning it shows him switching to the MsgNotFound sword. In terms of reducing telegraphing, the spear is the only weapon he does that with where he slightly lowers his arms then attacks. Although, sometimes long telegraphs are what make something difficult to time, it is not the case with this boss. (edit) Just saw a comment by EDMIRE saying the gloom parries are removed.
@@jitterycafe6515 But why doing it with the Mesage not found Master Sword then? The normal Master Sword has already infinite Durrability from the Presence of Ganondorf
The increased speed and aggression of the fight is quite nice overall, and makes him feel like a fighter *truly* on the same level as Link. I do think the quadruple health is pretty bogus, however. I would've not changed the health at all, or at least made it more like a 50% increase.
I’d double it. What I think should have happened in this fight is something similar to the demon dragon fight. Make the master sword 10x stronger in addition to Ganondorf’s health 10x more. We could probably make the master sword 5x stronger here to make it a challenge.
@@finalbossd I suppose so. I just dislike inflating stats more than needed. If anything, I would keep the health the same, but make Ganondorf even quicker (and perhaps make his shadow clones in phase 2 try and keep you occupied more often.)
@@jimboanimations4041 Option B would be to cut all damage to Ganondorf by 80% unless it’s the master sword specifically, then it would deal 1/2 damage. I think a fused master sword destroys phase I too quickly in my opinion. He should also parry arrows a lot more often so you can’t cheese him. I think the weakness of the Demon King Ganondorf fights is that you can cheese him too easily and not engage with him, or just corner him and keep wailing on him.
@@finalbossd I think fixing the cheeses would indeed be good, but I still prefer making him more deadly and aggressive over making him tankier, especially in phase 1. He can be a bit more drawn out in phase 2, but I like the idea of the first fight really being made to feel like a duel between evenly matched fighters.
@@jimboanimations4041 I’d like to see both. Moderately tankier, but far more aggressive and deadly. My suggestions: His flurry rush should be undodgable three to four hit combos. You’ll need to parry them and you can’t just block one hit. This forces you to either learn to parry or learn his timings to avoid counterattacks. Two: Give him jump attacks similar to link for all his weapons, like the sword and spear. Three: Make his combos generally longer. You should be punished for just blocking one attack and not learning his attack patterns. Four: He should deal a minimum of three hearts of damage per hit so he’s still a challenge if you maxed out your armor. Also, you should be able to take multiple hits in a combo instead of being invincible when knocked to the ground, this way, it’s more like a duel.
I honestly don't enjoy unnecessarily bloated HP bars. I do think Ganondorf could have benefitted from more health, but to the point of 30 minutes (even using a Zuggled Master Sword) to take him down just makes the fight feel more tedious. I think maybe a little more health, a slightly recovering HP bar if you don't attack for a while (and I think even this might be a bit much), and maybe a few more moves would have given this fight a slightly more interesting difficulty curve.
@@thewizardbrand that's not a standard. To say a "Final Boss *needs* to be absurdly difficult every time" is a fallacy. Sure, sometimes challenge in Final Bosses are appreciated, but making them artificially difficult for the sake of being diffucult can make some fights feel cheap. Take bosses like Yaldabaoth from Persona 5. I wouldn't say they're an incredible boss fight, they're just a damage sponge with a lot of damage that just requires you to cycle your units in repetitive and unfun manners. It takes balance as well as the right type of game to make difficult boss fights fun, like Isshin from Sekiro. They are designed to be difficult, but his health and posture are not designed to wall you off entirely. As a matter of fact you can kill him in less than 2 minutes with optimal strategies and skill. Does that make him a worse boss fight? Not in the slightest. He's still incredibly difficult while also being a benchmark of your game knowledge. He's a perfect sendoff of a final boss But not all final bosses are designed to be challenging. Some can be incredibly easy and still work as a boss. Take Sephiroth from FF7, he's not a hard boss by any means, but he's still incredibly memorable and leaves a massive impact as a final boss Like I said, it just depends on the game
Ganondorf needs: - more attacks - more timing delays and speeds to keep you guessing - a bit more health (maybe 2.5x) - some unblockables and this is just a start. Point is, it didn't feel satisfying to beat him. Anyone who mastered parrying is having such an easy time. The only time he responds to your defense is when he uses perfect dodging, but he still uses the same timing. It's a letdown, but at least he looked cool.
@@noblepursuit591 do keep in mind this is a Nintendo game and not Dark Souls. Even though it appeals to All Ages, it still does hold a sizeable market to children. I think TotK Ganondorf strikes a great balance between a hard learning curve with weak armor+weapons and an easy learning curve with stronger armor+weapons. I first fought him with roughly 12 hearts and each attack dealt 4 damage due to my armor. I promised I would not upgrade my Master Sword or use food during the battle. With these in mind, I ended up having a blast. Took me 3-5 attempts to beat him my first time, and then I added more caveats like forcing myself to flurry rush cancel out of his spin attack. It was an incredibly enticing situation where he got progressively harder the more I held myself back, and unlike other games where it feels like you have to actively cripple yourself to make the game fun, it feels moreso like your difficulty is heavily based on your exploration rather than experience
I wish the fight was closer to this in the actual game, then only the god level players can say this fight is easy. Oh well, maybe for Master Quest mode when that comes out.
@@GhostKunShinkaif my memory serves me right, Nintendo are masters of deception. So I barely believe that they're not gonna give one of their most successful games a DLC
Im seeing a lot of comments pertaining to that here and on my video. The point of his huge health increase is because of the ability to fuse overpowered materials to your weapon. This guy is fighting ganondorf with the unmodified master sword
I love that you get the sages and you (Link) all actually fighting Ganandorf in the first half of Phase 2. That was something I had been wanting to see since the game first released
I feel like this, paired with some feint and slash attacks to put variety into ganondorf's repetitive spear lunges would make this the greatest zelda bossfight
Inflicting 4x less damage to Ganondorf doesn't mean 4x harder or more challenging, just 4x more tedious and time-consuming. It's just repetitive and boring. This is a whole concept in game design. It doesn't equate to more challenge or fun.
One of my big gripes with the game is the fact that you did not NEED the Master Sword to fight Ganon in his first two forms. Made it feel like Zelda's sacrifice was mostly meaningless. I wish they'd have made it so that you have to get the sword before this fight. Made it so that any other weapon regardless of fusions/buffs would only do 1HP damage or better yet, zero. Really sell the narrative that the Sword That Seals the Darkness was the only thing that could hurt him.
Well, the Reason they gave him a Different Power Source than the Triforce of Power (which actually MADE him invincible to any or most non-holy-based attacks), I think they didnt want to ruin the open world thing, but I do agree, that when the Fight starts that all weapons in your inventory should become like the worst weapons in the Game so that the Master Sword will be the Top Tier Weapon if you meet him
What the devs should have done is made Ganondorf decay Link's weapons over time or immediately just by being in his presence, or if he strikes your shield for example. That would have been sick
i mean, ganondorfs first phase was only there to test link if he is actually a worthy foe, so making it more difficult would be quite dull (altho the damage recieved should atleast be 4 hearts to link, not 1) 2nd phase is where things start to get serius, he should be more agile with the flurries, faster weapon changes, faster bow firing (and some what predicting fire, so link doesnt have to sprint in 1 direction). and since the health bar is increased, the third phase should start at 3/4 of his health. 3rd phase should be where ganon is at 100% power againts link, we are talking about more flurries, less gloom projectiles, more gloom in land, damages now deal 6 hearts hearts, and sometimes damages would erase 4 hearts, almost instant weapon changes, and more moves/more random so its harder for the player to flurry rush.
Why are you using MsgNotFound in the final boss? The regular Master Sword does full 60 damage and doesn't take durability damage during the final Ganon fight and during the Phantom Ganon fight at Hyrule Castle. It's unbreakable during this fight. I'd be fine with double health, I think quadruple health is unnecessary. Having him dodge you fully from the start is neat.
Ganondorf in vanilla is so anti-climatic, possibly the most powerful villain in all of zelda, goes down in like 15 hits and is super slow and telegraphed, hes actually weaker than a silver lynel, I'm not joking
A true boss fight would make it harder to read and react to his moves, not just make it 4x as tedious to fight him with the exact same moves and the exact same strategies. I feel like every time I watch a Ganondorf boss fight for this game, it's just an endless repetition of "counter counter counter perfect perfect perfect" like is it seriously that big of an accomplishment to no damage this boss? Yeah, maybe watching Elden Ring gamers has tainted my perspective of what "hard" looks like in games like this, but really...making a boss fight have 4x HP without actually increasing the challenge of fighting the boss itself is just like saying "I need to kill time, how can I make a relatively simple fight take longer so I feel like it's harder even though it isn't?" Anyways that's my ramble.
The higher your armor defense is the less gloom damage you will take. The game has a gloom resistance buff but has nothing to do with direct gloom damage taken from enemies. Gloom resistance works with the DoT taken from direct contact with gloom.
If you have a Defense Boost of up to 20 at least, he will only remove 1 heart per hit, The Total Damage he deals is basically like the Damage he potentially deals to you but minus the number of your defense stat, but to prevent you from suffering 0 Damage the devs programmed the game to let you still suffer at least a minimum of damage even if you are fully upgraded.
At least make him more violent, maybe have him actually try to eat us or the light dragon. Ooh, or maybe even have the other 3 dragons show up to bind him for the final descent to destroy the stone.
His attacks are 2x faster, flurry rushes and parry timings are halved, you cannot hit the balls of gloom back even with the master sword, his health is quadrupled in each phase.
@@EDMIRE Wait, are you using the MsgNotFound-Master-Sword? Maybe That's why you cannot use it against the Gloom Balls The MessageNotFound Master Sword works differently from the Original, it has infinite durrability and also 30 Base Damage, however it doesnt reflect gloom Projectiles
Honestly, this mod kind of compromises a lot of what makes the final boss so great in the first place. Removing the ability to parry the gloom projectiles is easily my least favorite change. That’s there in the game as both a callback to previous Ganondorf fights and as a reward for attempting to fight back against something dangerous enough to decay both your shield durability and health, and it made the overall spectacle of the fight that much better. Quadrupling his health also didn’t seem to do much in terms of increasing the difficulty beyond making the fight more tedious than necessary, even with extremely high damage weapons. I’d personally just double it. Despite these issues, there is room for something good here. The actual final boss in game definitely could’ve used way less wind-up between attacks, and forcing the player to tighten up their timing in order to fight back seems like it would fit perfectly into the natural progression of the fight.
I think he is using the prologue master sword(obtained via glitches) which can't deflect the gloom gloobs. That's like literally the only upgrade the sword gets.
Yes, at the beginning it shows him switching to the MsgNotFound sword. In terms of reducing telegraphing, the spear is the only weapon he does that with where he slightly lowers his arms then attacks. Although, sometimes long telegraphs are what make something difficult to time, it is not the case with this boss.
(edit) Just saw a comment by EDMIRE saying the gloom parries are removed.
Facts
@@jitterycafe6515
But why doing it with the Mesage not found Master Sword then?
The normal Master Sword has already infinite Durrability from the Presence of Ganondorf
@@Chris-gx1ei For an extra challenge
I feel like having the first phase have the health of a final boss kinda makes the second phase even more surprising and unexpected
The increased speed and aggression of the fight is quite nice overall, and makes him feel like a fighter *truly* on the same level as Link. I do think the quadruple health is pretty bogus, however. I would've not changed the health at all, or at least made it more like a 50% increase.
I’d double it. What I think should have happened in this fight is something similar to the demon dragon fight. Make the master sword 10x stronger in addition to Ganondorf’s health 10x more. We could probably make the master sword 5x stronger here to make it a challenge.
@@finalbossd I suppose so. I just dislike inflating stats more than needed. If anything, I would keep the health the same, but make Ganondorf even quicker (and perhaps make his shadow clones in phase 2 try and keep you occupied more often.)
@@jimboanimations4041 Option B would be to cut all damage to Ganondorf by 80% unless it’s the master sword specifically, then it would deal 1/2 damage. I think a fused master sword destroys phase I too quickly in my opinion. He should also parry arrows a lot more often so you can’t cheese him. I think the weakness of the Demon King Ganondorf fights is that you can cheese him too easily and not engage with him, or just corner him and keep wailing on him.
@@finalbossd I think fixing the cheeses would indeed be good, but I still prefer making him more deadly and aggressive over making him tankier, especially in phase 1. He can be a bit more drawn out in phase 2, but I like the idea of the first fight really being made to feel like a duel between evenly matched fighters.
@@jimboanimations4041 I’d like to see both. Moderately tankier, but far more aggressive and deadly. My suggestions: His flurry rush should be undodgable three to four hit combos. You’ll need to parry them and you can’t just block one hit. This forces you to either learn to parry or learn his timings to avoid counterattacks. Two: Give him jump attacks similar to link for all his weapons, like the sword and spear. Three: Make his combos generally longer. You should be punished for just blocking one attack and not learning his attack patterns. Four: He should deal a minimum of three hearts of damage per hit so he’s still a challenge if you maxed out your armor. Also, you should be able to take multiple hits in a combo instead of being invincible when knocked to the ground, this way, it’s more like a duel.
I honestly don't enjoy unnecessarily bloated HP bars. I do think Ganondorf could have benefitted from more health, but to the point of 30 minutes (even using a Zuggled Master Sword) to take him down just makes the fight feel more tedious. I think maybe a little more health, a slightly recovering HP bar if you don't attack for a while (and I think even this might be a bit much), and maybe a few more moves would have given this fight a slightly more interesting difficulty curve.
The whole point of final bosses is to make it difficult and challenging as possible. Of course they need ridiculously high health
@@thewizardbrand that's not a standard. To say a "Final Boss *needs* to be absurdly difficult every time" is a fallacy. Sure, sometimes challenge in Final Bosses are appreciated, but making them artificially difficult for the sake of being diffucult can make some fights feel cheap. Take bosses like Yaldabaoth from Persona 5. I wouldn't say they're an incredible boss fight, they're just a damage sponge with a lot of damage that just requires you to cycle your units in repetitive and unfun manners. It takes balance as well as the right type of game to make difficult boss fights fun, like Isshin from Sekiro. They are designed to be difficult, but his health and posture are not designed to wall you off entirely. As a matter of fact you can kill him in less than 2 minutes with optimal strategies and skill. Does that make him a worse boss fight? Not in the slightest. He's still incredibly difficult while also being a benchmark of your game knowledge. He's a perfect sendoff of a final boss
But not all final bosses are designed to be challenging. Some can be incredibly easy and still work as a boss. Take Sephiroth from FF7, he's not a hard boss by any means, but he's still incredibly memorable and leaves a massive impact as a final boss
Like I said, it just depends on the game
@@thewizardbrand You have no idea how difficulty in video games works if you think just making a healthbar ridiculously long is good enough.
Ganondorf needs:
- more attacks
- more timing delays and speeds to keep you guessing
- a bit more health (maybe 2.5x)
- some unblockables
and this is just a start. Point is, it didn't feel satisfying to beat him. Anyone who mastered parrying is having such an easy time. The only time he responds to your defense is when he uses perfect dodging, but he still uses the same timing. It's a letdown, but at least he looked cool.
@@noblepursuit591 do keep in mind this is a Nintendo game and not Dark Souls. Even though it appeals to All Ages, it still does hold a sizeable market to children. I think TotK Ganondorf strikes a great balance between a hard learning curve with weak armor+weapons and an easy learning curve with stronger armor+weapons. I first fought him with roughly 12 hearts and each attack dealt 4 damage due to my armor. I promised I would not upgrade my Master Sword or use food during the battle. With these in mind, I ended up having a blast. Took me 3-5 attempts to beat him my first time, and then I added more caveats like forcing myself to flurry rush cancel out of his spin attack. It was an incredibly enticing situation where he got progressively harder the more I held myself back, and unlike other games where it feels like you have to actively cripple yourself to make the game fun, it feels moreso like your difficulty is heavily based on your exploration rather than experience
I wish the fight was closer to this in the actual game, then only the god level players can say this fight is easy. Oh well, maybe for Master Quest mode when that comes out.
aged like milk
Nintendo has said they have no plans on doing that everything you see is what you get *shrug*
@@GhostKunShinkaif my memory serves me right, Nintendo are masters of deception. So I barely believe that they're not gonna give one of their most successful games a DLC
@@reynsbasement2654 Nintendo doesn't really deceive people that much tbh. What you see and hear is what you usually get.
@@ultimatedumbass4640 only time will tell, wether its the truth ot not. We'll see, and man. Maaan i hope I'm right. I really want this dlc
A better way to make the fight harder would be to make his attacks stronger, turning him into a damage absorbing sponge isn't that fun
Im seeing a lot of comments pertaining to that here and on my video. The point of his huge health increase is because of the ability to fuse overpowered materials to your weapon. This guy is fighting ganondorf with the unmodified master sword
He has the absolute RELENTLESSNESS of his incarnation from Twilight Princess.
Not because he can deal more damage, which he can’t, but because YOU can deal LESS.
I love that you get the sages and you (Link) all actually fighting Ganandorf in the first half of Phase 2. That was something I had been wanting to see since the game first released
I feel like this, paired with some feint and slash attacks to put variety into ganondorf's repetitive spear lunges would make this the greatest zelda bossfight
Inflicting 4x less damage to Ganondorf doesn't mean 4x harder or more challenging, just 4x more tedious and time-consuming. It's just repetitive and boring. This is a whole concept in game design. It doesn't equate to more challenge or fun.
One of my big gripes with the game is the fact that you did not NEED the Master Sword to fight Ganon in his first two forms. Made it feel like Zelda's sacrifice was mostly meaningless. I wish they'd have made it so that you have to get the sword before this fight. Made it so that any other weapon regardless of fusions/buffs would only do 1HP damage or better yet, zero. Really sell the narrative that the Sword That Seals the Darkness was the only thing that could hurt him.
True, this would make the fight seem all the more difficult.
Well, the Reason they gave him a Different Power Source than the Triforce of Power (which actually MADE him invincible to any or most non-holy-based attacks), I think they didnt want to ruin the open world thing, but I do agree, that when the Fight starts that all weapons in your inventory should become like the worst weapons in the Game so that the Master Sword will be the Top Tier Weapon if you meet him
Phase 2 is the hardest part of ANY video game in general.
If you have cooked Sundelions, don’t be afraid to use them.
thats kinda whats stopping me from fighting ganondorf, i can't find enough
Man… I love this mod
Sonic (Link), Rose (Amy) (Mipha), Miles “Tails” Prower (Daruk), Shadow (Revali), Knuckles (Urbosa), and Blaze (Mineru) vs. Infinite (Ganondorf)
What the devs should have done is made Ganondorf decay Link's weapons over time or immediately just by being in his presence, or if he strikes your shield for example. That would have been sick
his gloom attacks do actually destroy shields pretty quickly. but that would be super cool
His attack patterns look very similar to those of a Lynel or of Thunderblight Ganon.
i mean, ganondorfs first phase was only there to test link if he is actually a worthy foe, so making it more difficult would be quite dull (altho the damage recieved should atleast be 4 hearts to link, not 1)
2nd phase is where things start to get serius, he should be more agile with the flurries, faster weapon changes, faster bow firing (and some what predicting fire, so link doesnt have to sprint in 1 direction).
and since the health bar is increased, the third phase should start at 3/4 of his health.
3rd phase should be where ganon is at 100% power againts link, we are talking about more flurries, less gloom projectiles, more gloom in land, damages now deal 6 hearts hearts, and sometimes damages would erase 4 hearts, almost instant weapon changes, and more moves/more random so its harder for the player to flurry rush.
Why are you using MsgNotFound in the final boss? The regular Master Sword does full 60 damage and doesn't take durability damage during the final Ganon fight and during the Phantom Ganon fight at Hyrule Castle. It's unbreakable during this fight.
I'd be fine with double health, I think quadruple health is unnecessary.
Having him dodge you fully from the start is neat.
But he has the GARGANTUAN healthbar of a Gleeok.
Bro didn’t even fuse anything to his sword, not to mention he was using message not found, which can’t even deflect gloom
Ganondorf in vanilla is so anti-climatic, possibly the most powerful villain in all of zelda, goes down in like 15 hits and is super slow and telegraphed, hes actually weaker than a silver lynel, I'm not joking
Until it’s impossible.
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Vs. Blight Ganon
How did you get all hearts + all stamina wheels? Is it modded or am I missing something?
Yes, it's modded. The whole video is a mod that makes the game much harder.
Still can't believe that the flurry rush is as busted as it is.
I think a better way to make the final fight harder is to make it so Ganondorf can do the full flurry rush attack on you instead of just the dodge
Awesome, wish it was like this
With a PlayStation controller.
A true boss fight would make it harder to read and react to his moves, not just make it 4x as tedious to fight him with the exact same moves and the exact same strategies. I feel like every time I watch a Ganondorf boss fight for this game, it's just an endless repetition of "counter counter counter perfect perfect perfect" like is it seriously that big of an accomplishment to no damage this boss? Yeah, maybe watching Elden Ring gamers has tainted my perspective of what "hard" looks like in games like this, but really...making a boss fight have 4x HP without actually increasing the challenge of fighting the boss itself is just like saying "I need to kill time, how can I make a relatively simple fight take longer so I feel like it's harder even though it isn't?" Anyways that's my ramble.
How the hell did you get full hearts and full stamina?
Wait. Dumb question but. How the hell are you only taking one heart of gloom damage!? I fought him and took an easy six
The higher your armor defense is the less gloom damage you will take.
The game has a gloom resistance buff but has nothing to do with direct gloom damage taken from enemies. Gloom resistance works with the DoT taken from direct contact with gloom.
Armor also reduces damage slower, because of the way gloom damage is calculated.
If you have a Defense Boost of up to 20 at least, he will only remove 1 heart per hit, The Total Damage he deals is basically like the Damage he potentially deals to you but minus the number of your defense stat, but to prevent you from suffering 0 Damage the devs programmed the game to let you still suffer at least a minimum of damage even if you are fully upgraded.
The demon dragon should get this too
this stil would mean at least 16 hits with the Master Sword eventhough it deals more damage to him than anything
@@Chris-gx1ei good! More time to enjoy the amazing music
At least make him more violent, maybe have him actually try to eat us or the light dragon. Ooh, or maybe even have the other 3 dragons show up to bind him for the final descent to destroy the stone.
Mod name? Would love to try myself
Could you explain the changes you made?
His attacks are 2x faster, flurry rushes and parry timings are halved, you cannot hit the balls of gloom back even with the master sword, his health is quadrupled in each phase.
Dang
@@EDMIRE
I would have kept this Gloom Reflecting in because this is what made the Master Sword so special from the other weapons
@@EDMIRE
Wait, are you using the MsgNotFound-Master-Sword?
Maybe That's why you cannot use it against the Gloom Balls
The MessageNotFound Master Sword works differently from the Original, it has infinite durrability and also 30 Base Damage, however it doesnt reflect gloom Projectiles
Wow! Is there anywhere I can try this mod?
How are you playing on the playstation?
They aren’t. This is a mod to change the buttons to a PlayStation layout, likely because they’re using a DualSense controller on Ryujinx or something.
Oh ok
how are you playing totk with a ps4
Where to get this mod?
Uso glitches de corazón o estamina
Bro this is not 4x harder, this is just your skill issue