Why is Flat Earth Important?
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Eric trusts his senses
Eric goes to a magic show
Eric has his senses fooled
Eric believes in magic
You do have to wonder why we've been lied to, though. The more research I do, the more I discover that the Earth is not what they told us. There are clues all around if you know how to decipher them. Trust your senses. If someone tells you they have three eggs to sell you but you only see two, ask for the other egg.
@@beckydoesit9331 Lied to about what? What have your research discovered?
Trust your senses? You do know how easy they are to deceive right? Do you also believe in magic?
Eric watch a magician showing him exactly how the other magician trick him
Eric think the magician is brainwashed by evil media
Eric feel superior to all magicians
Eric think he debunk everyone who says magic is just illusion
🤣🤣🤣
Logic.
@@Batlafication Awww. The comment's gone :(
My question has always been, if the earth is flat, why does all of the mathematics for the heliocentric model work? Flat earthers are yet to produce a model. Why does the lie have more evidence than the flat earth? Why is there only one heliocentric model, and countless ideas, with no actual model, for the flat earth? They can't even agree on whether it's an infinite plane or not. Thanks for another great one prof stick.
Yeah they can try and dismantle our model all they want, yet they can't even agree on their own model.
Flerfs are so uneducated and stupid that the equate magic with mathematics. Normal people use mathematics, and then flerfs think they can use magic as argument.
@@K_End Some flerfs even claim models must be 1:1 scale or it isn't real.
They are sadly too stupid to argue with.
@@K_End They can't rid themselves of the simplest model of all that emerges from the claim. Geometrical as opposed to topographical "flatness" has been tested and has failed.
They can make models, and have. The difference is, the globe model can explain everything at once, while they have to make multiple models for every phenomenon that gets brought up when they get debunked yet again.
I watch the sunset.
I see the Sun go below the horizon.
The flat-Earthers tell me it doesn't go below the horizon.
But I trust my senses.
He forgot to blame all the sailors, tourists, mountaineers who apparently forgot to blow the whistle about the horizon being fake.
The list is very long! All of the old explorers. Captain Cook circumnavigated the globe around Antarctica - that’s a very long journey on the flat earth map. And all of the astronauts, satellite engineers, etc. And the people that can forecast the precise paths of all the eclipses across the earth. All lying!!
Yeah. The "I have to get up and go to work in the morning" argument is funny to me. I work in GIS for major projects, and part of what I have to do in my job is take into account the curvature of the Earth. If you're building anything long enough (e.g. a rail line), you can measure the difference.
If the Earth were flat, I would have to get up and go to work in the morning, and rethink a huge number of calculations that I've done over the last few years. Similar story if plate tectonics didn't happen, by the way...
@@DeGuerre I had to look up GIS. That looks like fun. If I only had my life to live again now. (Sigh).
Eric Dubay knows it's round, but he sells "flat earth merchandise" so his income relies on people thinking it's flat.
Eric is the definition of a con artist. He lies for cash.
Agreed, Eric Dubious is a conman just like his inspiration Samuel Rowbotham.
@@dogwalker666 Not his _only_ inspiration.
There's another person who's been dead for decades whom he also finds "inspiring."
Austrian. Survived WWI. Distinctive moustache. Not a lot of babies named after him.
@@Sableagle I know exactly who you mean, Eric is a big fan of his.
And as the maga idiots have proven, it's just WAY too easy to con people, unfortunately. Not just to believe flat earth, but to make them attempt to overthrow a whole country based on a lle with absolutely no evidence whatsoever. And it's nothing new. It happened in WWII. And you think we would have learned by now, but unfortunately not.
Flerfs : rely on your senses.
Any pilot : Whatever you do DO NOT trust your senses.
Or engineer
@@WilbertLek or surveyor
" Any pilot : Whatever you do DO NOT trust your senses."
Absolutely spot on there. There's VFR (visual flight rules) where you rely on partly on your eyes and then there's "IFR" (instrument flight rules) which you HAVE to learn to fly essentially PURELY by the instruments and are told over and over NEVER trust your senses if you lose sight from cloud, fog or night and rely on the instruments OVER your senses since our senses lie to us and relying on them instead of their instruments in fog has killed many pilots in the past.
Anyone that tells you to “rely on your senses”, is an ignorant moron or a con artist.
One of the first things taught about critical thinking it that your senses can deceive you and that your senses are not empirical, but just anecdotal.
I don’t think flat earthers know about the illusions that some pilots go through.. especially flying low near water. I wouldn’t trust a flat earther pilot at all 😂 I’ll be scared of them trying to put eye level back to earth’s horizon just because they can’t handle truth
Dubay doesn't believe that the earth is flat. He has merch to sell and subscribers to fleece.
You do have to wonder why we've been lied to, though. The more research I do, the more I discover that the Earth is not what they told us. There are clues all around if you know how to decipher them. Trust your senses. If someone tells you they have three eggs to sell you but you only see two, ask for the other egg.
Yep. Nail, head.
I was going to say pretty much exactly this. Same can be said for most flat earth youtube channels. Jeranism literally proved himself wrong on camera.
@@4ndytrout46 ...Interesting.
@@4ndytrout46 And still denys that it shows curve...
i like how you can see the curve in the flat earth video
(for the replies i’m being literal, you can see it)
JTolen media1 is a great globe prover
They like to claim it's the camera frame distorting the edges, or that the pic was doctored.
It's just an optical illusion your eyes believe because your mind has been indoctrinated
The ends of the flat earth bend down a little...lol
@@sixolddereks Maur awns like them have NO IDEA how camera lenses work either.
A wide angle lens (NOT A FISH EYE! That is different!) distorts the view... yes! But when a 1:1 lens is used, when the view bobs up and down over the horizon, the curve DOES NOT change its shape! Yet flerfers don't understand this and go to CGI or other garbage.
For a more accurate cheating and friend example, Eric goes to his friend and tells them his wife is cheating on him. Being a friend they ask Eric why he thinks that and he produces a list of 200 "proofs" he claims show his wife is cheating. However when his friends reads these "proofs" (many of which are just a previous "proof" reworded) he see's they are a load of misunderstands, unsubstantiated rumours, things Eric has taken out of context or he's just made up to try and back up his belief. No matter how many times his friend explains to him how he's wrong and none of his proofs prove remotely she's cheating and some show the exact opposite, Eric refuses to change his belief about his wife. Finally Eric starts twisting his friends words and claims he must be in on it too. Finally his friend sadly gives up and says he has to go as he's got work in the morning. Eric claims victory and moves on the his next friend. His wife, back at home, cries herself to sleep alone.
lmao. that was actually hilarious
Lol. you think Eric has a wife?
That I doubt very much but if he has she certainly isn't crying herself to sleep "on her own" whilst he's out.
Maybe the accusations are self projection.
Eric's 200 "proofs" are about 25 misunderstandings, details that can't be cited , or downright falsehoods repeated over and over.
Tbf, cheating is mentioned in the bible... So it must be true.
LMAO!
Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former.
Albert Einstein
You do have to wonder why we've been lied to, though. The more research I do, the more I discover that the Earth is not what they told us. There are clues all around if you know how to decipher them. Trust your senses. If someone tells you they have three eggs to sell you but you only see two, ask for the other egg.
quoteinvestigator.com/2010/05/04/universe-einstein/
"The difference between brilliance and stupidity is that brilliance has limits"
Also Albert Einstein :D
And then there's the most powerful force in the universe: Compound interest, which, when applied to stupidity, is more exponential than multiplicative.
Some flerf left a comment on here but took it down in the blink of an eye. Typical flerf behavior
“It’s not about the shape, it’s about the lie…” Exactly… 200 of them! 😂 😂 😂
Not quite. Eric Dubious cannot count properly. Some of the so-called proofs are only variations of the same theme.
@@ericdumb-bay4462 About half of them, if I recall. Although it's been a while since I forced myself to examine them.
@@Kartissa you’re right. You gotta force yourself to go through all of his “proofs” 🤪
Can they not see the curve in their own footage? They're taking the piss, surely...
They blame it on lens distortion no matter what kind of lens it is.
@@thegodofclowns7494 even when it makes earth look concave, lol
Eric Dubious is a fraud he knows we live on a globe.
Curvature!? 😂
@@MrzCake yes CURVATURE always seen, However still zero evidence for flatardia. Oopsies 🤣
Flat Earther: "Trust your senses."
Anyone else: "Okay. My senses see the sun and moon disappearing behind the horizon, which is impossible on a flat Earth."
Flat Earther: "That's an illusion. Don't trust your senses."
_"Why do they roll their eyes and walk away from the conversation when we answer clearly and articulately that the reason is [insert unhinged conspiracy]?!"_
~Eric Dubay
That has never happened in all the times I've heard flerfs speak. There have been a precious few who were sincere in their search, but even they didn't have any clear and well articulated understanding even of their own perceptions and ideas. One of the features of flerfism seems to be an inability to organize and present their thoughts methodically.
Just because an answer is clear and articulately put, doesn't make it right.
@@reidflemingworldstoughestm1394 Plenty of flerfs will tell you, just like Dubay did here, that the reason the evil globe model exists is because of some nefarious conspiracy to hide the Truth™. They may not be as specific with their conspiracy as creationists are (since they think evolution is all some Satanic plot to destroy our souls), but they will give you a lot of the same """explanations""" for their beliefs.
@@chrisantoniou4366 Okay. And?
@@brookejon3695 It seems that some people aren't aware of that...
Flerf: Trust your senses!
Me: It's night. Where is the sun if you say it's above the horizon? I can't see it.
Flerf: NO, NOT THOSE SENSES!
I’m going to be doing a video about the research I read on conspiracy theories (for Masters-level term paper in Psychology). The short of it is found in this video, that the conspiracy theory isn’t one thing (flat Earth) but part of a larger narrative based the person’s worldview (everyone is lying, people higher up want to trick you, the government is out to do something insidious). This is why it is do difficult to address; poking a hole in one claim via evidence cannot undo the entire narrative.
Great video as usual, Professor!
The weird part is, so many people would need to be lying about conspiracies like this that almost everyone he tries to persuade would already be part of that conspiracy. Most people would be part of the fraud, and already know "the truth", but be hiding it from a minority for some reason.
Scientists and conspiritards are like eggs and bacon... The chicken is involved with creating the egg, but the pig is totally COMMITTED to the bacon.
@@chrisantoniou4366 Ummmm, ok, I think. That's a way of looking at them I've never heard before. I think it makes sense but, that's getting too deep and philosophical for my tiny brain to wrap around.
The problem with all conspiracy theories is that, if there really was a conspiracy there ought to be no evidence of it. (Assuming the perpetrators do their job properly) The conspiracy Theorist tends to mistake their own incredulity as evidence of a cover up. The fact that they believe they have found evidence tends to point to a misunderstanding of the facts and leads them to the belief. The government or a hidden power is capable of conducting a given plan mobilizing the logistics and personelle with absolute precision and then are suddenly incompetent when it comes to covering up what they suppose they are doing. It's Dunning Kruger these people are blissfully unaware of what they don't know. Whilst at the same time believing that they are the only ones capable of uncovering the truth.
Theories like Flat Earth or the Moon Landing Hoax are, in themselves not that harmful. But tend to be a gateway to other theories that have consequences. Like AntiVax 5G and Climate Change Denial.
It's good to distrust the government and keep an open mind on what they tell you. But there is a difference between open minded and empty headed.
@@lorditsprobingtime6668 🐔🐷😃👍
"it's about humanity having been decieved for the better part of 5 centuries"... should we tell 'em that most of classical cultures knew it was a globe more than 2000 years ago?
The Greeks got it, yet these "people" don't...baffling...
Wrong that's just what they tell you. Only accepted 500 years ago.
@@jjevans1693 Evidence that historians are lying/wrong anyone?
@@jjevans1693 only accepted 500 years ago? Interesting. What was one of the things ptolemy is most known for?
@@jjevans1693 Eratosthenes conducted an experiment in 240 BC that proved that the earth was round. He was even incredibly close to the correct measurement of the circumference (he was off by less than 200 miles).
This was, in case you didn't notice, much more than 500 years ago. Hell, Pythagoras posited that the earth might be round 300 years before THAT.
Flat earthers, because Scientologists need to laugh at someone too
And creationists.
And all the other "gods-believers"...
@@WilbertLek
Yes I believe they are also laughing too
I'm glad you pointed out the school thing. Cause I keep hearing this from flat earthers about how we (Globe earthers they say) have been conditioned to simply believe everything we are told from authority figures. Government, educators, media, so on.
I've always been very bluntly confused by this? Were they not taught the scientific method? Did no one every explain to them how to conduct research or do experiments? Or how to build ideas and test them? My school did an amazing job helping explain this, we learned it for about a month every single year.
However, at the same time I know people from my school who are now adults who are just like this. Often claiming that they were never taught this even when we sat in the same class at the same time when it was taught. While I can't say this about every flat earther, I like to think most of them are very willfully ignorant or just untrusting of just about everything around them. It kind of reminds me of a joke I heard once from a show. A bit about a man who complains that the schools didn't teach them anything useful and why didn't they teach them to do important stuff like Taxes? Where the person doing the joke explains they did, it's called math and they just didn't pay attention.
My advice, if a flat earther is bugging you, listen but don't give them satisfaction. Just repeat things like, interesting, good for you, wow that's something, until they realize you not only are not arguing, but not even listening. They'll show they are mad about that and not the "science" they try to push about the earth being flat, also showing their true colors... Plus it's pretty damn funny seeing them getting VERY upset lol.
Yeah and it kind of funny how they think we believe everything the government tells us the government are the type of people I don’t really trust they have done shady things in the past and to me they don’t care about anyone all they care about is power and control and I can say all of this because in the us unlike places like china and Russia I can say bad things about the government without getting thrown in jail or killed people in the us seem to forget that
I've gathered that a lot of these people are part of the homeschool movement, and were homeschooled themselves. So they are repeating what THEY were told about school, not like they have ever been to one.
@@neeneko I never thought of it like that. Where I live there is very little if any home schooling. Most have public education, some might even have private given the situation of some families in the area so I really can't say how home schooling effects these kinds of people.
I can however say that, thinking about it now, a huge chunk of the people I recall becoming flat earthers in my area at least were, for lack of better term, Rednecks. People who grew up in homes where everything was anti this and that. Anti media, government, education, and extreme religious. To be fair my whole area is very religious and I don't know how that works out but i'd say about 1 out of every 3 people at least where I am fully believe in flat earth
And most of the bigger & more popular homeschooling 'movements' have been organized by religious fundamentalists. The idea of an "organized authority/system" that's secretly hiding, obscuring, ignoring, and/or silencing the truth is a commonly-espoused theme among the psuedoscientific, religiously extreme, and conspiracy-nuts of all types & stripes; makes them both Feel and Look [to some] like their "honest questions" are justified and that they're "just being reasonable", and it acts as a convenient excuse or escape-hatch in a number of situations. Psuedo-Skeptics, all of them.
So, it's not much of a surprise that they'd try to criticize Scientific "authority" and act or pretend to be 'open-minded' themselves, because that's the same methods [of Argumentation & Rhetoric, but not Thought] that their religious "education" instilled in them in order to undermine the fields of study that show findings contrary to their belief & belief-based traditions, and their ideological leaders certainly can't refute, dispute, or disprove the findings themselves so the only option they have left to counter it is Long-Term undermining, slandering, & discrediting via social mechanisms & generational indoctrination. And if we're not careful, they could still succeed, as they've [kinda] effectively had Millennia of Practice at social-coercion & dogma.
They all are either home schooled or have selective memories where they only latch onto and remember the snippets that help them hang onto their dopey ideas about everything, including vaccines and pretty much everything that comes from ANY government agencies.
The only thing that gives them any self esteem and a feeling of superiority is that they are the ones with the 'real' knowledge while the rest of us are inferior to their brilliance so, they just can't seem to let go and admit how dumb they actually were for believing the flat earth silliness to begin, just double down instead.
I had an awesome revelation last night. My wife was doing some star trails from our balcony. She had a satellite show up in some of the images.
"Which satellite do you think this is?" She asked.
I pulled out my phone, opened the "heavens-above" app, and started scrolling back through data for our location, and the time she took the photo.
It appears she'd captured Tiangong flying over New Zealand last night. Now, the flerfs will often say that the ISS is just a laser hologram (technology that doesn't exist in the form they pretend it does) but sites like heavens-above, based on accurate orbital models, allow me to look up the most obsure and the faintest satellites and reliably point a camera at them from my backyard. There are thousands of objects listed and the predictions work anywhere in the world. I've pointed this out to flerfs and they only response is "you are wrong" (no evidence or reason provided, naturally).
This doesn't really make any sense. Just like all FE arguments.
Sure, they are great debators (the do it in mass, after all...) but clever argument and a glib tongue don't really match science, measurements, measurment and (real) observation.
Thanks Prof Stick. Another good video. :)
You got that right, they are all "master debaters"! 😂
@@chrisantoniou4366 Well done. :D
I thought I was being subtle... ;)
Good point! And heavens above works also for future predictions. "Unfortunately" I don't know a flerf among my friends and family. I'd love to predict an iridium flare, the ISS or any other satellite's appearance. Just to prove them what a magic man I am 🤣🤣 🪄✨
All those money stolen from the fake space program must have gone somewhere. It is used to construct hologram lasers to the entirety of the sky 24/7, and then create very believable app that calculate everything, from the obvious to the obscure. The lie must be upheld, even if it doesn't have any tangible benefit or purpose, for the cost of billion of dollars per year.
(sarcasm)
@@btmonz8383 You were being subtle, I didn't get it. Maybe as a German I can't imagine it said with the right slur/accent … 😁
Dubay is such a crooked creep. He milks the whole of his followers for every last dime he can. He doesn't believe it a single, solitary bit.
Thanks for all you do. It's appreciated!
❤️❤️
You do have to wonder why we've been lied to, though. The more research I do, the more I discover that the Earth is not what they told us. There are clues all around if you know how to decipher them. Trust your senses. If someone tells you they have three eggs to sell you but you only see two, ask for the other egg.
Perhaps you're right, but you still have to wonder, what are they hiding? Are there lands beyond Antarctica? The prophesies have all been removed from existence. Why? What is so valuable out there? Will we ever know?
@@beckydoesit9331 so scales are a lie?
@beckydoesit9331 "are there lands beyond antarctica" and "what is so valuable out there" are two questions that have established your bias.
@@beckydoesit9331
It's not just that we don't know what THEY are hiding, we don't even know who THEY are 😆 or if THEY even have anything to hide. 😏
The mystery is deep, very deep; it takes a lot of imagination to solve it. Or, you can have someone else imagine it for you 😁 👍
It is kinda funny how you can see the minimal curvature of the horizon, while these images are used to "prove" flatEarth
I knew some flat Earthers. One of them was more around school instead of inside. Two of them copied my homeworks for 4 years continuously and i helped them with exams almost every time. 15 years later BAM! the Earth is flat for them. That look in their eyes when they first told me this new "truth" was nothing else than feeling of importance. So i had to kicsk those stupid ideas out of them. This was slow and exhausting experience. Two of them who actually went to school with me came to their senses. I'm still not sure about the first dude. I think he still believes that but must keep quiet because his wife will kick his ass :)
Tell me... Is the first one living in Westchester county, NY, USA ? It sounds like the position of someone we see sometimes on flat Earth debunking channels...
@@OlivierGabin hahha it's not CC. But there are some similarities lol
@@darkkard123 hahah poor CC
My brother is a flat earther and he almost sucked my father into it but my mother and myself were able to talk him out of it. This upload displays what's at the core of flerferism: The need to feel special. It's not scientific in any way, it boils down to some spiritual warfare nonsense at the end of the day.
The most asinine part of their ideas is that they could literally just pool their money, get a weather balloon, attach a camera, get the "ground-shattering" evidence, make a documentary and prove civilization completely wrong, laughing all the way to the bank! I can't imagine why they wouldn't choose to do this..
They would claim NASA / The Illuminati / Rand Corporation / Reverse Vampires intercepted the balloon and interfered with the data. Reason didn't drive them to the dance, and it won't take them home.
@@engineeredlifeform If I didn't chuckle at the "reverse vampires" part I might have had to check my pulse! Definitely the laugh I needed for the day :)
Uhm they already did this. A group of them including Rob Skiba got two camera's. One with a fish-eye lens and one that was specially made to replicate as close as possible to human eyes. Sent it up on a weather balloon a couple of times. It did not go as high as expected and they were not very impressed with what they found, as Rob said it was not promising. It was *coughs* not conclusive but it did appear to show some minor curvature. They were going to allegedly repeat the experiments. Oddly enough Rob after that slowly started to do less and less FE content and mostly about religious. Also oddly enough we never heard anything more about future experiments.
@@kevinfisher1345 Thanks for the reply as I was unaware that any of them had felt a call to actual action! Also gave me a good chuckle this morning as well!
its only important to people who don't have a genuine interest in how things actually work
You do have to wonder why we've been lied to, though. The more research I do, the more I discover that the Earth is not what they told us. There are clues all around if you know how to decipher them. Trust your senses. If someone tells you they have three eggs to sell you but you only see two, ask for the other egg.
The religious?
@@jarrod752 Yeah...Nah
@Jarrod why can't I believe in God and still be genuinely interested in science and astronomy? 😂
@@iluminaticonfirmed34 You can but at some point you may be required to choose.
It depends on your religion and those around you.
Anyone who uses the term "lived experience" should never be trusted. What other kind of "experience" is there?
“Causing believers to lose faith in anything beyond the material world” indicates the psychology behind Eric's rant. Rather comically, Eric wants people to stop assuming that 'the unproven' is unproven, as a consequence of it not being proven. Indeed, “spiritual” is just a buzzword for beliefs in the unproven. Religious people love to use the word “spiritual” to describe things that they can't prove, which is why religion is called a belief.
Yet Eric Dubious knows it's all fake.
The shape of the earth has no impact on god's plan. There for it can't be a true spiritual statement regardless.
@@NateTmi The only 'spirits' that I know of come in bottles.
@@dogwalker666 Eric is about as much use as a chocolate teapot. Maybe Eric should own a replica of Bertrand Russell's teapot.
@@clemstevenson but how can that type of spirit connect to god? Regardless of if god is real, he has a plan & anything connecting to that plan is there for spiritual to people who believe in that god & by extinction his plan. You don't need to believe in god to grasp that concept that the salvation of humanity dose not depend on the shape of the earth.
Eric is pulling the wool over the eyes of the gullible and impressionable
Correction
Eric is pulling the wool over the eyes of the extremely gullible and impressionable
Every time they do an experiment to prove flat earth they prove it’s round.
"Interesting"
@@K_End Thanks Bob!
As one who lives in Edinburgh, Scotland, the shape of the Earth most certainly matters to me getting up and going to work, especially in winter. I intensely dislike leaving the house when it's still dark, on very cold mornings, often when the streets are icy, and when there is rain or snow.
A schism in children's minds? I once showed my two great nephews a flat earth video. The eldest, then 11, had a look of utter incredulity, and the youngest, then 7, couldn't stop giggling. They both got it; that there really are grown adults who are that stupid.
500 year old conspiracy? Oh dear. Another moron who believes that people thought the Earth was flat until Christopher Columbus sailed to America.
And HE has the gall to share a meme encouraging people to read books?
In the bigger picture, no, I don't care what shape the Earth is, and it really doesn't affect my life that much. But then I'm not the one continually making videos with fatuous claims, then responding with a tirade of personal abuse to whoever uses science to disprove those claims.
Just as I am not the one posting a whiny, crybaby video about the nasty globe believers picking on the poor, innocent flerfers.
Would Columbus have believed in flat earth, in order to sail to India (that was his goal) he would have sailed NORTH, along Greenland, and discovered Canada and NOT the caribbean.
The oldest preserved globe is Martin Behaim's Erdapfel from 1492.
@@feedingravens I was taught that he believed the Earth was round and that to prove it he sailed West from Europe to try and end up in in the area of India... they didn't know America existed back then. But the fact that he sailed west does kinda fly in the face of Flerf logic doesn't it. Lol.
@@RogueWraith909 He wasn't trying to prove that the Earth was round in the first place, people have known that since the ancient Greeks. What he was trying to do was find the shortest route to India and prove his own specific model of the Earth correct. He believed that the Earth was a lot smaller than the Greeks calculated, and pear-shaped with a nipple at the top, and yes he was a well-known idiot.
@@RogueWraith909 The worst thing I was taught as a child about Columbus was that he "discovered" America, a huge land with a huge population.
Prior to Columbus's arrival in the Americas in 1492, the area boasted thriving indigenous populations totaling to more than 60 million people. A little over a century later, that number had dropped close to 6 million.
Columbus enslaved people, stole their gold and resources, and brought virulent diseases that decimated the native peoples.
Now our public schools, especially in my birthplace, Texas, are not allowed to teach the truth about colonizers.
I've taught my son the truth about Columbus, and I'm still learning American history myself, as so much wasn't taught that should have been.
@@LazyIRanch Cortez didn't help either.
Some years ago when I heard about FE for the first time, I thought I found of a new kind of comedy and I had a lot a fun watching your videos and the channels of Scimandan, Planarwalk ao. I couldn´t imagine that there are people really believing this stupid ideas of FE.
Meanwhile I learned that these conspiracy theories can be dangerous for the health of the believers (anti-vax) and our society (democracy, living together in freedom and peace), so continue your good work successfully!
EGG ZACKLY!
And add in ANY and ALL conspiracy garbage. There ARE conspiracies... but mostly those are eventually exposed. Tuskegee expt. The tobacco lobby against smoking caused cancer... and others.
Agreed
Sheep. Just do what THEY tell you. Lol
You don't even know who THEY are.
Good little slaves
Conspiracy theories and anti-vax are not the same thing.
Some people refuse certain vaccines due to lack of faith in testing as well as for political reasons. (Libertarians for example)
@@ZyrusSmith Yawn 🥱
Another issue is, why is this supposed lie even important to maintain?
"Not important focus on the lie"
Don't you just love how the flat earthers video proves the globe earth.
5:28 Dumdum seems to forget that human senses aren't all perfect, my vision isn't great and thus I need to wear glasses so I can actually see clearly.
So why should I trust my inadequate senses?
Because God's-given eyes can't be faulty. That's blasphemy right here.
Maybe a blind person believes the earth is dark.
Oh yeah, just ask a color blind person to grab the green medicine and not the blue poison
'it looks flat' the flerfer says, looking directly at a HORIZONcaused by the ground visibly curving away from them.
i don't get these people
@@comet.x "Caint see it so it caint be" seems to be the FE mantra.
There's an important distinction to keep in mind here: It is not that they WANT to feel superior to others but they NEED to feel superior to others.
Their egos are so fragile that they will cling to anything that gives them that sense of superiority. They have this idea that they are so special and intelligent that they are one of the few who cannot be fooled and know the truth. They also stoke their own egos by being one of the few who are generous enough to try and educate the world on the truth. They do this so they can convince themselves how giving and magnanimous they are. They build up their fragile, delicate egos by convincing themselves that they are willing to sacrifice everything to help you. Everything they do is out of pure selfishness and is only to make themselves feel better about themselves.
They dig their heels in so deeply that, even when presented with irrefutable proof, they will ignore it or outright dismiss it. Even if they were given a chance to go into space to see with their own eyes they would refuse claiming all manner of conspiracies on how they were fooled (ie drugged or CGI etc) because admitting they were wrong would shatter everything their ego has built up and this would reduce them to such a low level they cannot bear to even imagine it.
Have you noticed how NONE of them have taken one of their beloved P900 or P1000 cameras, connected it to a balloon and let it rise to heights high enough to see the curvature? They have no problem debunking when anyone else do it but they won't do it themselves. They have so many simple means available to prove or disprove but the refuse to take advantage of them because deep down they smell their own BS. And the more they argue their points the more the show this. Flerfers epitomise the saying of "Methinks thou doth protest too much".
Seeing this stupidity from the Flat Earther really gets my blood boiling, because it's THIS, this arrogant and ignorant "My presupposed ideas are right, so whatever *I* assume is correct, even though it provably isn't" that gets me SO MAD when people do it. I just cannot fathom having this ingrained notion that whatever way YOU personally interpret things HAS to apply to EVERYONE and EVERYTHING.
In the case of flat earthers, it's that the Earth IS flat, and from that everything else about their arguments HAS to be valid. Except, the Earth _isn't fizzing FLAT_ so nothing they say has the weight they think it does. Even just an ounce of doubt or critical thinking would catch that gaping flaw in their logic, but they can't or won't do it.
It doesn't help that this appears in far too many areas, people arguing and making accusations based on flawed interpretations, and when me or someone else corrects them, they dig their heels in and say "Well no, because blah blah blah" and keep spouting the same incorrect view.
It's so blatantly stupid it infuriates me, though I am getting better on stomaching it...videos like this help honestly, seeing people approach this stuff from a better angle then I would.
But their delusions must weigh heavier than our facts …..😊
I feel your pain!... 😔
i believe in science because science works. and it does not require a tithe or to get up sunday morning and waste it in church
Exactly, no matter how often they deny the existence of gravity, they will still fall flat on their faces.
It's a gateway drug to other more dangerous forms of stupidity.
Flat would be great for surveyors and mappers. No more projections, scale factors, transformations, etc. There would be no use for geodetic coordinates and likely no geoid models.
It pleases me greatly to see that "context" link. I hope it appears on every flat earthers video too. The misinformation on UA-cam continues to spread, though....so keep up the good work Stick. 👍
It is on EVERY flat earth video, plus every debunker video, much to their disgust. That's all relatively new and a great idea. The flerfs claim censorship but there is none. Flat earth videos are all still there, they just put that "context" message and stopped promoting them, all good but, I won't complain if they just outright got rid of all the ridiculous flat earth lies.
I like how in the airplane footage the flerfer is presenting (presumably to show the flatness of the horizon) actually shows the curvature of the earth. You have to screenshot it and align it but if you draw a straight line, it very much shows an arc.
if we assume earth to be flat, You gotta throw all of Newtonian mechanics in garbage as well. There might be more scientific disciplines that get martyred in the process if we look closely.
The analogy of playing chess with a pigeon fits very well with this.
I love how the flat earther B-Roll takes footage of out context that "proves" their point. Even at 70,000 feet the curve of the earth is difficult to see sometimes through a camera with a curved lens mostly because of how massive the earth is. However if you just look up "U-2 spy plane footage at 70000 feet" you will find a video taken from inside the cockpit at that altitude where he pans the camera around the cockpit and out the windows and you can clearly see the earth is curved lol.
There's also a good chance he's editing the footage himself to amplify the effect because the original doesn't look quite so flat.
The video has a horizon, and the ground very clearly curved away from the viewer (hence the horizon existing)
i seriously don't get these people. the horizon is right there. you can see it. even at SEA LEVEL you can see the horizon. you can see the ground curve away from you.
if water is flat like they claim, why can i only see the tips of mountains over the ocean? are they claiming the waves are as tall as mountains?
i seriously wonder if flat earthers just don't have eyes or something. even without any measuring tools the fact a horizon even exists makes it so obvious the earth is round
You gotta love the self-righteous hypocrisy in Eric's entire 'case' here, blaming people who accept science for using his own tactics while pretending he's some champion of truth.
Nevermind that literally *nothing* he's put forward has any substance behind it, and that a healthy chunk is reliant on his spiritual magic BS.
at 3.02 in this video (of Eric's video) the high altitude horizon that Eric is showing has a small curve to it.... very slight but it's there.
Yes David On Sea exactly, pause the video at 2:57 and lay a straight edge against your flat screen monitor and you can see a vary small curve.
Funny thing about all their videos, it always shows a slight curve, that's why they usually stick to photos where they can find the "flatest" looking one
its proof giving Humans the benefit of the doubt is not always good
Sometime we should say “no, that’s stupid. You are free to think it, but it’s stupid”
It just occurred to me that the airplane footage in the flat earth video actually kind of debunks flat earth itself, because the horizon of a flat earth would not appear flat and even from that height unless you were in the dead center of the flat earth model. The edge would be closer to you on one side and farther on the other, with the sides curving away, it would look like you were standing off-center in a hoopla hoop. But on a globe earth, the horizon would appear to be even and equidistant no matter where you were.
Because it’s, you know, round.
Ask a flat earther to prove their model and usually 9 times out of 10 they will just go after the oblate spheroid model in order to argue that their flat earth is right.
It's 10 times out of 9. The one thing flat earthers hate to talk about is flat earth
@@muskyoxes
Sorry had to do it
What they fear most is sphere itself!
Microscopes contradict the senses. Guess he doesn't believe in bacteria either?
Haha, that's Jamie and Adam from mythbusters - those well known scientists!
I can think of half a dozen active projects in my department alone that would be heavily, if not fundamentally, impacted by the shape of the earth. So flat earth, if it was true, would indeed impact my job. Funny how no flat earther seems to actually do any work that relates to it.
Glad you were able to keep him out of that pot hole. I have an anti-global warming brother, been working on him for twenty years, beliefs are hard to break, good luck with your brother. BTW - I seemed to have more success with emotional arguments vs. factual arguments, still haven't dug that tick out yet though.
6:02 It's funny how he goes from "trust your senses" to "we should believe in miracles and invisible magic man."
Every generation imagines itself to be more intelligent than the one that went before it, and wiser than the one that comes after it.
Flat earth is more *impotent* than it is 'important'.
Only Eric Dubay can make a video titled "Why is Flat Earth Important?" and *_not provide a single reason_* for why it is important.
All they do is whine about the "globe lie" that only exists in their heads.
I guess I can somewhat agree with Eric's statement, "What matters is the lie, not the shape." Now, don't mistake that for me giving him any credit. Because the lie doesn't have a chance of being true. Like you said, it only exists in their head. A big question Eric is missing here is, why would the shape of the earth matter so much for them to lie about it? The idea that every single government is wasting trillions of dollars every year into our education, soace agencies, etc.. just to lie about the shape of something is so unbelievably stupid.
Trust your senses... Let's ask Pilots what they think of that... lol
I am impressed that mathematics and geometry, the principals of which were well established over 2000 years ago, is complicit in supporting this "lie" Dubay has so much scorn for.
Exactly. Flerfs are basically calling the entire field of mathematics a scam which is ironic since they try to use the exact same mathematics to prove the earth is flat and fail miserably each time. That's probably why they believe all of mathematics is a great big lie.
@@sithwolf8017
When you don't understand something its easier to claim that its all bo11ocks than try to learn about it.
Probably the easiest way to disprove flat earth would be to travel to Chile/Argentina/Australia/New Zealand and look at the moon. Because how exactly moon could appear "upside down" on any flat earth model?
nah i got an even easier method.
look outside. See the horizon? That doesn't work unless the ground is curved. And it applies to the ocean too.
and it gets wilder. climb a tree, or go up a floor, and suddenly you can see further over the horizon. wild huh? wouldn't work on a flat earth.
flerfers must not have eyes if they can't see the ground curve downwards away from them. the horizon is pretty hard to miss
@@comet.x I mean this works, but it is rather difficult to find a place where they can't claim that something is simply "blocking the view and that's why we can't see further". Meanwhile my solution leaves no space for denial. That's why I went for this.
There are probably hundreds of extremely simple ways to confirm, conclusively, that Earth can't be flat. My personal favorite is maps. I honestly can't understand why flat-earthers don't see it as a problem that they can't produce one accurate map of the entire Earth. If it's flat, it would be as simple as just pasting together a bunch of flat maps (with the same scale) into one giant map.
I wish I could find just one flatty willing to address this issue. I suppose, though, that any who did would ultimately have to accept that they were wrong, so we're left with only those who will deliberately ignore the problem.
@@markwood1159 especially as flat maps are inaccurate for a globe earth anyways, which is why when doing navigation you use a globe.
The Earth being spherical means everything to me compared to idiots trying to disprove something so obvious.
So basically what he's saying is don't let teachers and scientists tell you what to think..... let ME tell you what to think. Riiiiight. Got it.
"Are you getting your feelings hurt by someone on the internet?" No, he doesn't allow himself to ever encounter anyone on the internet
I thought this was an ad for a helpline until you applied the coup des gras
Flat earthers have at least one purpose, our entertainment. 🤣
Globe defender? I suppose that is what I am then. I am also an atom defender.
...and trees
Funny thing,
As a mariner it matters because I like to get to the port of destination
Same as all pilots like to reach their destination and not crash with the plane.
I did not even know Dubay had a spouse. Condolences to him that he was cheated on.
But not supprizing other than the fact someone would marry hi in the first place
I’ve asked him several times to tell me who measured that Earth was flat. We know about every method that mankind has used to determine the shape of the Earth and we know all the supporting evidence. So, if Earth is flat, someone must have measured it. There must be a method to do it, and there must have been tools used to make and record this set of measurements. I have asked for this information from dozens if not hundreds of globe deniers but never had an answer. Without an answer to those questions, the best they have is “it looks flat when I look at it”
BUT IT DOESN'T
I DON'T GET THE 'IT LOOKS FLAT' ARGUMENT. IT FUCKING DOESN'T. THE HORIZON IS RIGHT THERE! THE GROUND OR OCEAN CLEARLY CURVES AWAY TO MAKE A HORIZON! HOW THE FUCK DOES THAT LOOK FLAT!?
@@comet.x I totally with you on that. To me it doesn’t look flat because I can see there is a drop off in the distance. Trying to explain why we can’t see curve from left to right is a nightmare. I’ve tried all sorts of examples without ever making one understand.
Five centuries? Umm Eric, educated persons have KNOWN Earth is a Globe for about 2500 years. Really Eric? MY "God" created a grand universe with billions of galaxies, possibly millions of solar systems with planets that can sustain life.
Strange how MY educated senses know Earth is a Globe.
Play Kerbal Space Program for just an hour, and you'll have all of the answers and understanding you need to fully understand how preposterous the flat earth argument is.
If his goal was to
look like an idiot, I
would declare it an overwhelming sucess.
the real reason is they have to shift the merch
Does anyone else think the it's funny that the OG Mythbusters are shown in the Brady Bunch photo as "so called scientists" as hilarious as I do?
I mean these are (technically "were" but still) two special effects artists that literally show you the entire process of how they come to their conclusions (i.e. the entire episode). I think that person had never watched an episode of Mythbusters.
I'm 99% certain no one said "so what if the earth is flat?" but rather some variation "what would they have to win by lying about it?" At least this video guestimated some answer for that, but Flerfers in general are really fond of misunderstanding questions they don't have answers for.
Has any one on both sides, ever considered doing a discussion series. Starting off with basic maths, moving through geometry, trigonometry, with a view for FlatEarthers to show where the lie in MATHEMATICS is?
In order for a Flat Earth, geometry and maths have to be throwwn ou8t the window.
In all my years, I have learnt maths and physics, and never once came across a point where the reasoning broke down due to a lie being perpertrated.
I for one woud LOVE to see a FlatEarther explain where and what the lie is, that allows their reasoning to 'make sense'
YUP! Several people have shown through math that FE is just NOT credible. AND! Watch Prof Dave's 4 videos about how to prove a globe earth with NO math!!!
And, as has been shown MANY times, the bulk of FErs CAN NOT do any math at all!
Literally all the time, We give them megatonns of evidence, The ignore everything, do a flurf reset and repeat Eric Dubious doctrine.
Flat earthers reject fundamentals of physics, claim to debunk Einstein, and are incapable of thinking in three dimensions. Besides, many debunkers have walked many flerfs through the math of many aspects of the Earth's curve. They fail to understand and are unwilling to learn or unlearn misconceptions
Professor Dave talked to an FE Dave aka DIRTH and explained everything to him, debunked all silly claims, but DIRTH just went on to his next topic not showing he had understood or accepted the facts presented to him.
A major talking point is “you can’t have gas pressure without a container”, meaning there must be a plexiglass dome covering our planet to keep the air in place, but when asked about the pressure gradient they won’t listen. In many discussions this has been addressed but the flerfs don’t answer this question.
Math, geometry and trigometry? This are people you dont trust to sit the right way on a toilet....
Thanks professor. I like your style.
I enjoy the "trust the evidence of your senses!" As if my senses can't be distorted, tricked, or otherwise decieved.
Where are the flat earth scientist? where is the flat earth science centres? where is the flat earth space program? where is the flat earth scientific publications that has been peer reviewed
I will love to listen to this!
I have mainly only cared about creationists because there aren’t many politicians or people I know who are flat earthers, but I know a lot of creationists.
Scratch the surface of a "creationist" and you'll find a few flat Earthers among them - at the bottom of the barrel.
@@chrisantoniou4366 this is true lol.
I’m not sure where to even start with educating flat earthers. Are there many who are genuinely convinced by it, because of lack of scientific education/influence from churches+ authority?
Because idk to me flat earthers are either joking (maybe to the point of actually believing it) or just too crazy.
On the other hand there are many many creationists who are not charlatans, or just choose to believe regardless of the evidence, but have just taken it on authority their whole life so far
@@azophi It's easy to educate someone who is simply lacking education. They can understand simple geography and astronomy and check tfor themselves that what you are saying is true. However, flat Earthers are married to their delusions and are therefore psychiatrically ill. You can't educate a crazy!
Yes, there really aren't all that many dedicated flat-earthers. Honestly, I doubt it's more than a few thousand, worldwide. Like you, I've never met a flat-earther in real life, but creationists have managed to convince most of America (including many non-believers) that to be Christian implies rejecting evolution.
I'm less concerned about this than I used to be, though. I think it's kind of the death-rattle of Christianity. They're running out of gaps to fill with their God and so the die-hards are reverting to the most batsh**t, fundamentalist version of the faith and rejecting all evidence out-of-hand. "Intelligent design" is a kind of last-ditch attempt at making their faith fit with modern scientific understanding and it's mostly failed; scientists and fundies alike reject it. The young-Earth creationists are the ones left, kicking and screaming as their untenable beliefs fall apart, requiring them to either give up the faith or dive deep into the conspiratorial mindset. It'll probably never go away entirely, but I don't think it can last as a significant influence for more than another generation or so.
6:48 why are the mythbusters on that slide?
*show starts*
Jamie: "Can an electric eel skin wallet damage credit cards?"
Adam: "Yes"
*show ends*
I don't think he quite gets the point of that show.
Surely because they had one episode they were trying to figure out if the moon landing was fake or not (analyzing shades and lights of pictures, etc…). And, if I recall correctly, the conclusion was that the pictures were not a myth and absolutely plausible…. Which is not something any Flat Earthers will ever like because it goes against their religious beliefs of Flat Earth.
@@Spidouz ah ok I didn't see that one 😂
More people learn about astrophysics because of flat earthers by listening to how it is not flat which is probably the best thing to come out of them.
It’s sad that our society has become more not less ignorant.
Social media increases ignorance
Have I ever wondered why it matters? No, because it doesn't.
We have GPS. How does GPS work on the flat earth?
We have scales. How does a acale work on a flat earth?
They call it GROUND Position System and is working by antennas on the ground. How it works over the oceans is a question nor me nor the flatties can answer.
@@sithwolf8017 yes. And why do things weigh more on those scales as you move towards the poles
@@camwyn256 exactly right. A kilo of steel and a kilo of sand will weigh the same no matter if it's on the equator or 100 kilos both on the north pole.
i like how lots of their "be against the lies" applies to their lies ten-fold.
I'd just love to ask him, What are the consequences for the flat earth model being a lie?"
A "Gotcha" moment if there ever was one! 😂👍
FE is important cause the people claiming it get a little attention, a little feeling of power, a feel of belonging to a group.... something they unlikely proved in their youth,
...Did Eric get cheated on by the planet? Did... did he think he was in a romantic/sexual relationship with the ground? But like... only while it was spherical? And then he learned it was stepping out on him with other geometries?
I'm having real trouble empathising with Eric's lived experience because it's just so abnormal. The idea that he's being religiously persecuted by all the world governments because he wants to be a luddite/they want to become secular (never mind that religious people have overwhelming representation the world over) is insane.
The simplest question I have is, what's the point? If control over the masses is the goal wouldn't having the earth being flat be ideal?
So, nothing would change if the earth was flat? Well, I think it would!
Exactly. The globe model and all predictions based on it wouldn't work.
Makes me wonder if social media usage is linked to developing a superiority complex.
The shape of the earth matters very much to those people getting up to go to work, whose job relies on it being a globe. I mean airline pilots and ships navigators and people like PhD Tony who rely on gravity for their work. Besides, living in the southern hemisphere i just need to look out my window and see where the sun rises during the different seasons to know that it is a globe.
"Trust your senses. You can see that it's flat."
- But also, the sky is a dome and the earth is a pizza with ice-walls for crust and we're sitting on top of a pillar...
The death of flat Earth: Rayleigh waves.
And the sextant and celestial navigation.
Anticrespucular rays do a good job too!
Eric "mind numbing" Dubay
The part with 'scientists you need to believe their grand concepts' is kinda funny. Scientists can explain every aspect of 'their' theories, and you can find out for yourself whether they hold any water. It only takes a few minutes to explain the basic motion of the earth around the sun, and a few hours to actually put that knowledge into a program (or spreadsheet) that tells you where the sun is at any given time at any given point on the earth. Which you can then verify.
On the other hand, there is a five-hour video series that _only_ explains why ships disappear bottom-first on a flat earth. You, as a flat earther _can_ only take this on faith because when you try to understand the video you will be a) bored to death, und b) fail to understand it (for the obvious reasons). So you _only_ can c) blindly accept it as an explanation that you can't understand.
Even Dubay has realised that science has totally debunked the nonsense of flat earth, his only grift left is "they are all lying to us whaa!"
Seems less about finding truth as much as it's about rallying people around a non-issue to manipulate them. The distrust it breeds will certainly be an issue later on.
one of the questions i always ask is "how do sunsets work? if the sun is always higher then clouds then why does the underside of them get lite up so bright at sunset?" not one has a good answer some say"cuse it reflects off of water" but that falls cuse"ok but what about in places even far away from water?" non have ever given an explantion
Actually they have... It's utter rubbish and goes like this. The Sun doesn't in fact set, it's an optical illusion caused by the atmosphere. What actually happens is that the Sun goes "too far away for us to see"...
Of course there is no mechanism for this nonsense, no reason given why the Sun disappears bottom first (as does everything else) over the horizon, and rises top first. No reason given as to why if the Sun is too far for us to see, it can still be seen when flying high over the Earth when it is supposedly further away, or how it is that the Sun, the brightest thing in the sky can be too far away for us to see but the light from the Sun is still easily seen just after sunset. There is also no explanation for why measuring the Sun in the morning through to the evening shows no change in size, something which would have to happen if the Sun was going closer and then further from us.
@@chrisantoniou4366 yeah 100% true
@@chrisantoniou4366 They also need another rationalisation to explain why it's not magically too far away to see if you send up a drone or climb a hill after which you can somehow see it again.
@@RustyWalker Quite so, especially since the drone is technically that little bit further away from the Sun (according to flat Earthers) than it was on the ground. So far no such "rationalisation" has even been offered... what a surprise! 😂