Leor is brilliant, & he seems like a lovely guy too. Please tell him how much his work on "child gender medicine" is appreciated. As for the Manhattan Institute, I have always found Heather MacDonald to be brilliant too. A great thinker & very clear communicator. Even back when I disagreed with HMacD on most/many things - as I did in the past, now not so much, LOL - I found her writing & thinking to be impressive enough that I wrote her some fan letters.
I didn't find him so brilliant at 55:00 when he gave the go ahead for allowing parents to provide genital mutilation on their child because they didn't have a rational enough mind to know that it is evil. How are you on Uncle Fester getting down with his niece because NAMBLA gave the go ahead and one parent just shrugged their shoulders?
@@FUToob You sure took what he said out of context. He stated it doesn't help to villify parents for trying to do right for their child when they listen to professionals. This is exactly what has happened of course with some detransitioners like Chloe Cole. This whole media, societal messaging is "listen to the experts". When faced with being told your child would commit suicide if you don't do such, and such is hell. Nothing wrong with having compassion for parents that go through that, while also recognizing these professionals are evil.
In some forums and channels online it's still appalling the ratio of "gender believers" to gender criticals. Since I started interacting online some months ago, the ratio has improved a bit from 10:1 to 5:1 (estimated roughly by the number of likes). It doesn't reflect real world but the war is also fought online. Yesterday had another one telling me biological sex is a social construct🤦♀️
Our small town community mental health center already had two detransitioners when I worked there three years ago. Wait until the lawsuits for medical malpractice hit.
@@annabell3385 I hope that's the main reason then! Unfortunately many are real people. thus week another fruitless debate with a philosophy university teacher about the sex "spectrum" and the social construct🤦♀️
Just recently discovered Leor and was pleased to find that you had already interviewed him. This one of the best I've seen of him. Great job to the both of you.
Leor Sapir is fantastic as always; great conversation. Though it's hard for me to believe the 'trans' medicalizing of children will continue much longer. Once more of them have reached full adulthood, say well into their thirties, and are not only facing ongoing serious health problems, but now understand that their natural ability to experience orgasms was stripped out of them while they were just babies -- surely enough of them will make the politically powerful wake up to the enormity of this human rights violation, and the practice will end. Along these lines, if adults are allowed to medicalize themselves, the age of consent really needs to be increased significantly -- as with renting a car, where you typically need to be at least 25. If the practice of medically harming the often porn-addicted mentally ill must continue, according to the powerful, they should at least put the minimum age (of the victims) higher yet. ...It's all so horrific.
Who is "they" and HOW do "they" decide? Once you start down that path, everything central to what we know about full human rights/the study of classical Ethics comes up for grabs. I suspect you're not an American citizen, or if you are, then your comment betrays a woeful ignorance of what it means to be a minor and what it means to be an adult in the United States. Neither State nor Church should hold any sway about the function and style of human sexuality among adults unless that function and style impinges on or abuses another's right to his or her own self-determining adult sexuality. Do you plan to set yourself up as an arbiter? Or are you thinking more along lines of THE HANDMAID'S TALE? One can't be declared "an adult" at 21 but still be considered legally a minor. And how would such a law take effect? (For someone to be legally declared an adult AND a minor at the same time?) Would it vary state by state or would there need to be some kind of Constitutional amendment? Do you realize how schizophrenic that sounds?
Leo wasn't so fantastic about allowing parents to provide genital mutilation on their child because they didn't have a rational enough mind to know that it is evil. How are you on Uncle Fester getting down with his niece because NAMBLA gave the go ahead and one parent just shrugged their shoulders?
Yes it should be age 25 years old minimum for treatment as “standard of care” Absolutely no reason it needs to be legislated for adults. Also allow insurance reimbursement restrictions (ie don’t require insurance to cover) Doctors will follow “standard guidelines” out of fear of risk being sued. Restrictions on insurance reimbursements will dry up the perverse incentives
@Max Alberts Hello, just saw your comment. Taro Lantern's comment below goes a good way toward answering your questions. Since most people can't afford the cost of cosmetic medicalization to look and sound like the opposite sex whether by off-label drug, surgical procedure, or both, it is decision-makers at health insurance companies and politicians who largely decide who can receive what coverage and at what age. And yes, federal and state authorities are in regular contention such that restrictions vary by state. You seem to be forgetting that transexual medicalization is a newly expanded field, and was until very recently considered an option only for those rare few who had first battled body dysmorphia through many, many years of adulthood. Full adulthood with complete frontal lobe development is only achieved by age 25 or 26 or, it's now thought, about three years later for people with neurodivergence like high-functioning autism. Before social media had popularized fads like gender identity, an ultimately regressive, individuality-denying, homophobic, sexist, gender-stereotyping, biology-denying faith system actually subscribed to by very few, true gender dysphoria was quite rare and upwards of 90% of sufferers would desist by the time they'd reached their late twenties, and usually much earlier. By any objective standard, it is better to avoid all the terrible 'side effects' of medicalizing, i.e. irreparably harming, otherwise healthy bodies. Allowing people struggling with mental illness and neurodivergency challenges to self harm via the medical-pharmaceutical complex, and with everyone helping foot the bill through tax and insurance systems, is an issue which should concern everyone who cares about human rights and justice generally. You sound like someone who's quite new to the complex of issues which trans ideology creates. I hope you'll start reading and listening to those with relevant experience -- detransitioners first and foremost.
This was a great interview! I really appreciate how he traced back the legal "genealogy " of Trans. Because I don't think people realize the process that gave us Trans has been going for a long time. We can simply "stop here" like he pointed in academia. The corruption is deep. I loved his Real Politica framing too
1:10:00 yes writing vague regulations is a strategy because it allows the managerial state to make responsibility opaque. Just like we keep seeing the white house press secretary saying "go ask such and such department" no you are the executive, "the buck stops here" in theory
You know, once those deer start eating they don't stop. They're the largest rodents I've had to deal with. And those bucks get territorial in yards. I had 3 bucks living and hiding behind some spruce trees, and if I happened to be out they'd run, then, turn around and threaten to charge. This was a good interview, but I am surprised Sapir didn't know about pre American Civil War history and how angry the states were getting at having other states run over them and their laws and freedoms. What began to really rile Free States was that Slave States kept passing laws that threatening citizen rights in Free States. This was ages ago in American Lit class, but we learned among the events that really incited the Free States were laws that penalized anyone in a Free State for failure to report runaway slaves. There was a law that passed that could result in prison and loss of all property if someone helped, fed, housed an escaped slave in any way. Even being silent and not saying or doing anything, not reporting and returning the slave could result in loss of an entire family home and farm. It was this trampling the rights, lives, and homes of people in Free States and the threat of homelessness imposed by southern states that helped cause real uproar. The southern states often cried, "State's Rights!" However, they were the ones imposing on the laws and security of other states. Trans rights isn't in itself a Civil War issue. What it symbolizes and how far it pushes some state's rights over those of others, and threatens their laws and property rights IS a civil war issue. And many states are trying in various ways to impose on other states, not merely on this issue.
I see the corruption on Wikipedia on transgender biographies where someone's birth name and sex are suppressed if the article was created after they transitioned. And all pronouns are written as if the person had opposite sex their whole life from birth (as the mythology demands, unless they de-transition???), and if Lia Thomas wins a high school swim tournament it is left to the reader to imagine whether they competed as a male or female. So it is "special rights" all the way down. You create an outrageous distortion of reality, and suppress any evidence what is real to "protect" the person, which is what biographies are about, right!?! (Not!) Of course rewriting birth certificates are the same deal.
I'm not saying "Wikipedia is woke", but I'm saying where woke-interests are piqued, they dominate and crush any other voices. How many people have the time and passion to try to fight "consensus" wars on Wikipedia where consensus is defined by policy which is defined by ideologues who have the passion to rewrite reality as Wikipedia sees it into their image. (And we know ChatGPT is trained on wikipedia!)
This is what the character of Winston in 1984 did, rewriting the past. I never thought this could ever happen to us. It used to be dystopian science fiction and now it’s reality.
@@scarba Yes. It's making me ill, because this is an agenda being pushed on society, and so many people are going along. Very dangerous, and unhealthy for our society, especially children. It's a secular cult mentality, and needs to be stopped.
Amazing guest; so knowledgeable about how the legal system really works and how interest groups can use it to their benefit. It seems to me that there is a systemic flaw so serious that it is very hard to really fix. Ultimately any disagreement in the best conduct in an issue can be solved through a law suite only. It is needless to say that you will need an astronomical number of lawyers to run the system and it is very inefficient and expensive.
Why is it frequently so hard to explain what is blatantly obvious? The "trans-kids" fallacy is self evident; however, to dispell it requires a complex high resolution dissertation. It's exhausting. 🐿
Trans ideology is like religion, that is why. There is no way to argue with religion. The premiss is that some children are born in the wrong body, and shold receive affirmative therapy as soon as they say the word (i.e.I feel I am in the wrong body). There is no way to prove that anybody ever was born in the wrong body, but some adults say they started their dysphoria in childhood. They regard their own feeling as proof. It is the notion of the trans-gender child (ca 1.45.xx in the podcast). The ideology leads to numbers of children beeing led into the whole ideology and medicalisation process, in the belief that they are all really trans people, and must be saved from dysphoria. The wise thing to do is to leave them, let them go through puberty, and reach adulthood and let the small minority that still feel to be in the wrong body decide what they want, as adults. People (like us) should advocate for common reason, and point out that left alone the great majority of these children will learn to accept their own body. I think also, that there is so little focus on the necessity to experience some discomfort in life. For most people going through puberty is definitely in that category.
Calling someone a groomer doesn't mean they're preparing the child for abuse by the groomer necessarily. It means they are preparing a child to be a target doe someone who does.
I'll be going to a "liberal" week long camp in Minnesota in August (now "trans refuge state"!), and they have workshops on various "social justice" issues. So I'm going to try to get a workshop lead by someone(?!) willing and able to presents the transgender issue in a way that will enable liberals to step out of the progressive echo chamber. Maybe we can call it "What if we're wrong about Gender Affirming Therapy?"
I am weighing whether to attend a candidate meeting for my Congressional representative, who is running for re-election. I have voted for her before. We’re both Democrats. I am to the left of center except on the trans issues (other than permitting adults age 25 and up to elect to have trans plastic surgery). Yes, issues plural: medicalization of minors, drag performances for children, self-ID, and men invading women’s spaces and sports. I draw the line there.
@@pamelaroyce5285 Good for you! My current plan is to vote 3rd party until I see some shift in the Democratic position. Not to "gender" the issue but I remember the cute title "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus", the central idea is that words don't mean the same thing when you're coming from different frames. I'm glad Leor covered the reality that the Left is "closed" to the possibility that that the "transgender child" doesn't exist. We see that core-belief makes anything but "protect" impossible to think about, where a child's feelings are the only "reality". But we know we don't believe that in 100 different ways, so maybe we can show why parents actually do regularly override fantasy, when it leads to irreversible harm!
@@aresmars2003 the problem with politics in the U.S. is that the two party system is baked in. A third party vote is a wasted vote. I think we need to find ways to nudge our fellow liberals out of their dogmatic wokeism (I have no problem with the original meaning of woke; I only object to the cult of wokeism). But the nudging needs to be civil and incremental. Too often people express their viewpoints in harsh and antagonistic terms, which does not promote dialog and healthy compromise. I believe that left and right can come together over the medicalization of minors and the need for women-only spaces and sports.
When my friend wanted to do crew (rowing) in high school she was told to find ten or so other girls who also wanted to do it and they would create a girls crew team. That's what happened. I don't see why the same cannot be done in the trans area.
This guy was a *great* interviewee--- i found the ways he translated the complex & abstract legal & societal 'machinery' regarding movement/function of this issue into language & analogies i found comprehensible & illuminative. A GREAT guest!
It is absolutely irresponsible to attribute mistaken but good intention to anyone advocating for childhood mutilation under the pretense of affirmative gender identity care.
Absolutely. The same reasoning could be used to justify child sexual abuse. Some "authority" says to a parent, "It's all good and right," and the SFO Men's Choir goes on the march.
I'm only halfway thru this cast--and perhaps this will be posited--but I sense the legal system WILL be what shuts down the trans train (i.e., medicalization of children)...but from a liability and NOT regulatory angle. In other words, suing doctors and institutions as opposed to hacking away at regulation will get better results.
As long as health insurance policies subsidize this feminist nonsense, the transition of minors will continue without question. I also don't expect the trend to slow down nor reverse as long as I am Jazz is regarded as harmless entertainment
@@annarboriter Stop trying to demonise feminism. It's just more of the same problem. Feminists led the struggle against trans rights extremism. How far do you want to take this? Do you want to strip us of having the right to vote? We fought long and hard for that
@@KH-aug Yeah, you can just keep repeating that gynocentric boilerplate and we might all just pretend that Women's studies depts weren't converted into Gender Studies departments by the late 90s
1:55:00 no, the process has already started. Academy is already changing their language to designate pedophilia as a sexual orientation. And remember age of consent is only a legal fiction, a good one, but still changeable
People are not Evil By Birth!!👨👩👦👦 My Dad (Home schooling) learn us Never to trust anybody, bank government, doctors, Teachers etc, BUT TO THINK FOR OURSELF!!
Thanks for following up! By chance, did you notice Benjamin's gaze looking any particular kind of way halfway through the video, when he knows who he's really talking to?
I appreciate Leon’s comment regarding parent approval of transition I completely disagree with him on what is an entirely subjective opinion regarding the motivations and justifications of the parents decision.
Yes, but I don't appreciate that comment (54:00)+ as the same reasoning could be used to justify child sexual abuse. Some "authority" says to a parent, "It's all good and right," and the SFO Men's Choir goes on the march.
True - he's fine with parental approval for transition so long as the parent can claim they were led to do it by some "authority". With such a viewpoint, a large majority of the mutilation crime continues.
Another mind-blowing "lecture"! The idea of the "trans kid" is described here as trans from birth, but I come up against another argument that avoids having to admit that and the "gendered soul in the wrong body" thing. Instead, a child's gender identity emerges as they grow, and transition therapy just saves them from the awful dysphoria of a mismatch between this identity and the legal gender assigned at birth. In either case, another fundamental position can be that "transition" is almost a misnomer, and sometimes literally denied, because they just are whatever gender they conceptualise (as we all are supposed to be). Then, if that gender identity conflicts with their assigned sex, or their physical "presentation", or how others identify them, it's argued they have the right to overrule other people's imposed view. I'm not sure how one can be sure there's no such thing as the "trans kid" in either sense - born or developing - but what the ideology gets you with is this sympathy plea for the suffering child with dysphoria. As far as I know, this is real and can develop very early in life, and I would expect transition to be available. The problem - which is denied endlessly by the trans lobby - is that the ideology creates gender dysphoria; it creates suffering "trans kids". By saying, "this is a real thing that you might be suffering from," it invites kids to start contemplating they might be trans, then seeking support online, which sucks them in further - because only trans people worry about their gender, right, so if you're not sure, you're trans.
But Canada has a centralized health care system and they are doubling down on affirmative care. I dont thin it matters if health care is public or private....if the people within the system are captured by an ideiology, there is little we can do.
There is a lot you can do. Get out there and fight against it, or, support the fighters. Any tyrannical ideology can do only so much damage if enough people stop it in its tracks. You know, the old..."When they came for me" quote.
The systems are fundamentally different, although privatisation is eroding that. Private health is driven by the profit motive. Public health is a matter of public policy and can be contested in the public sphere
Not yet been introduced to Mr. Leor. Up until about 8 years ago, we ALL knew what all of this meant, but a large portion of us choose to pretend we were lying to ourselves for 100K years!
I want the next president to restore Title 9 back to the document's original language. Sex is real, gender feels are a belief. Biden's change is no different than the government imposing all citizens believe in astrology.
@@helenablavatsky9136 ... Sadly, there is a small but VERY vocal minority of women who are doing all they can to destroy Title IX. Look at Megan Rapinoe! She is ALL ABOUT trans in women sports, yet is a SCREAMING blue-haired wackjob feminist. She argues for that which she would have gone BALLISTIC, when she was climbing the ranks of her sport, but 100% happy to see the next generation of girls punished by deeply misogynist beta males 🤬🤬🤬
@@helenablavatsky9136 Oh yeah, in relation to Title 9, there are only a few days left to sign the petition to respect womens sports for women only. The Biden admin wants to push this crud into it.
No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance. - Cornell Law School's Legal Information Institute (20 U.S. Code § 1681 - (men and women) Sex) I don’t see gender mentioned.
Thumbs up for getting rid of social media--- except wait, I'm watching this on UA-cam which I guess is social media... But seriously, social media absolutely tends to amplify the worst of human nature.
WA state passed law requiring insurance to pay but importantly said "medical necessity" will Trump any provision! This leaves debate to medical authorities, associations, and Dept of health. Opportunity!
Hang on, there are limits, tobacco, alcohol, porn, consent to sex? There is no comparison to the examples of emotional harm relative to a permanent decision. Sorry, the more I listen the weaker the argument for any transition.
Stop using their preferred language. Stand up for freedom of expression and against compelled speech. They can’t sue all of us! Media platforms will realize how many people they will have to ban. And corporations are learning that people vote with their money.
14:35 I'mma go out on a limb and say Benjamin's familiar with the groundbreaking, dog-park related academic contributions of Lindsay, Boghossian, Pluckrose et al. 14:40 🎉 hey we were thinking of the same paper!
Benjamin, can you please provide links to the overview studies that the interviewee refers to in this episode?. He mentioned the McMaster, university, study, and a few others. Thank you so much for what you do.!
I'll admit that I haven't watched this video yet and that lately catching your videos has been a little patchy. I have just watched your genspect videos. Though I've seen most of their interviews and Ritchie Herron's interview with Lotuseaters, those videos still felt like a fresh perspective.
Can I also refer you both to the “Petryshyn Memorial Lecture: Anne Applebaum of 1 month ago. Brutality, Incompetence and Historical Echoes in Russian Occupied Ukraine for a contemporary report that describes the mystified incomprehension and violent rage of the Russian soldiers encountering altruism and fellow feeling and community spirit amongst Ukrainians. Well worth watching.
3:06 Only this far into the answer to "what is a think tank" and I've gotta ask: Are you not in fact describing private, interdisciplinary lobbying firms? How is a think-tank distinct from a lobbyist?
Children are initially undifferentiated, only potential, not born with innate knowledge. Narcissism is fundamentally wanting our way and culture is supposed to provide a "reality container" that facilitates the emergence of reality testing, the discovery of "other" (not just me) and acceptance of self (shame reduction).
Antisemitism lives in the foundations of human society and human nature. The human ego-the desire to enjoy at the expense of others and nature-evolves throughout history and during a person’s life. The more it grows, the more it feels an opposite force also dwelling within. That opposite force is called a “point in the heart.” Contrary to our egoistic desires that wish solely to absorb pleasures into themselves, the point in the heart is a desire that has potential to develop into a desire that loves, gives and positively connects to others. The point in the heart is also known as the seed of the soul, as we can develop it to discover our soul-the connection that underlies those very points. The realization of the potential encased in this small point of desire is the ability to rise above the human ego, where instead of detaching from one another through our growing egoism, i.e. increasingly prioritizing self-benefit over benefiting others, we instead prioritize the benefit of others and positive human connection. The point in the heart is the opposite of our egoistic nature. There are people who host only the negative egoistic force, and there are people who have both the negative egoistic force and the positive altruistic force. When both positive and negative forces coexist in us, then we become called “Jews” or “Israel” according to our inner essence. Likewise, if we solely host the negative egoistic force with no revelation yet of the point in the heart, then we are called “nations of the world” according to that essence. We underwent several stages of development throughout history. The point in the heart first surfaced throughout human society in ancient Babylon. The Babylonians who felt the inner urge to seek something deeper in life beyond the earthly egoistic desires joined Abraham, who taught a method for how to nurture the point in the heart in order to rise above the ego and positively connect. Abraham organized the Babylonians who wanted to study with him into a group, and he called this group “Israel,” which is made up of the words “Yashar Kel” (“straight to God”), i.e. people who aim themselves directly at the attainment of nature’s upper force of love, bestowal and connection, which is opposed to the force existing in human beings, the force of reception. Since Abraham’s time, the two groups-Israel and the nations of the world-have undergone much development. Some from the Israel camp left the group to pursue their natural egoistic inclinations, i.e. with an inclination to the nations of the world, while some from the nations of the world felt that they possess a special closeness and connection, which draws them to Israel. In other words, Jews are not a nationality, but they are people who host the point in the heart, which associates them with the positive force of nature, and which is opposite to the egoistic force that we are born and raised with by nature. The source of antisemitism is in the contrast and conflict between the two opposite desires of our inborn egoism and the point in the heart that can develop our ability to rise above the human ego.
He has a Petersonian twinge in his accent, but only when you're not looking at the screen. It goes away when you look at him because he doesn't look like Peterson.
@Zentz... It used to mean another work for the sex of a person or at least the biological characteristics typical of a male or female. The WOKE cult has the definition SOO screwed up, we are having to re-hash definitions that have been in use for 100K years
This trans mania has legal implications for the rest of us. It is threatening freedom of speech and security of employment for people who even accidentally “misgender” someone. What about the pension rights of trans widows? Are inheritance rights affected? While trans loons play with reality like it’s a video game in which they can choose their own identity and language, the rest of us are being asked to transform our own understanding of reality and a language that has evolved naturally. Under penalty of law.
@@menow.me neither but my guess is reported/flagged/otherwise moderated comments are provisionally hidden from view, beforo they disappear from the reply count... Have you never seen the obvious fake Benjamin Boyce accounts that try to trick simpletons into texting a whatsap number? (I've seen several channels with that kind of scam being undertaken in the comments)
There's a bit of over simplifications here. I agree that there is a growing problem with transgender children not being treated or diagnosed correctly. It's not like abortion debates where grown adults are making decisions about their bodies.
For the Left, being "transgressive" or "subversive" is just a good unto itself, which is why those are two of their favorite words to throw around. It's always good to transgress against society, they believe, because society is just so bad with all its rules and everything. Of course this belief is one that we all had when we were teenagers, but some people never grow out of it. And this is why trans is such a sacred belief to them. It seems to break all the rules, which is the real reason they love it so much.
I wonder what you and Leor make of the work of Matt Taibbi and what he has to say about he deems “the censorship industrial complex.” I think-beyond the one factor of critical social justice “true believers” having their moment in the sun/asserting their power in academia-the information that Taibbi provides constitutes a big piece of the puzzle on how and why he zeitgeist shifted so quickly.
Have neither of you two gentlemen read “ Humankind: A Hopeful History by Rutger Bergman? Because yet again here we have portrayed the ancient message that humans are evil by nature and our best answer is to suppress that nature through societal means, “the family” being the means by which we control mens’ worst inclinations to spread their seed and abandon their children. And yes, some men do do that, for various reasons, many of which, today, are nothing to do with being “Innately evil” and more to do with never having had a decent male father figure in their lives because their fathers didn’t either. And we continue to talk about old philosophers both religious and non whilst not taking into account the affect on human beings, on generations of human families of the epigenetic effects and structural and emotional effects of two world wars. And yet, the actual behaviour, of communities and families during the worst of those times were supportive and cooperative of each other in the face of a belief by their leaders that those community’s would fail, fall apart or descend into madness. Facts show differently. So staying “open minded” appears to be not, fundamental, even if you espouse the ideal, particularly if you adopt a position whether so called liberal or so called conservative, based on a particular philosophical position and one’s own innate biases; in particularly, most major world religion’s characteristics, their attitudes towards human nature - given that we understand religion, everywhere, to take a very dim view of said human nature - to have grown and flowered as a response to oppressive societies. And it has been shown, historically that it is not natural for human beings to tear each other apart but rather individual Psychopaths who take power and drive those wars and abuses manipulate whole populations to carry through their own Psychopathic delusions for them. We have an unlovely example of such a man’s Psychopathic behaviour, driving an unwanted almost middle ages savagery style war right now in Ukraine because he was allowed to take power, hold it and direct it, all out of his background in the same socialist ideologies that Leor also was raised in except in very different contexts. All that this proves is that ideologies, whatever they be, in whatever arena they are actuated, are created by power hungry, controlling madmen(mostly) and fail hopelessly because they go against the propensity in human nature for love and cooperation though they create misery on a vast scale until either they are stopped or they die of natural causes. It always comes back to which individuals benefit from these ideologies and why does society not call out the practices and behaviours of such men, the likes of “Doctor” John Money on the one hand and or Robert Mugabe on the other to name some lesser known individuals - because we all know the big ones - today but whose drive for power, money and control caused and are causing a wrecking ball to be taken to the fundamental drive of human beings to create workable co-operative societies to live and thrive in.
Never had a video keep cutting out and/or switching to a different video and start playing it. Idk what this man has to say, but my guess is someone doesn’t like it.
I disagree that “liberals” so called won’t go against their liberal cohorts for fear of not being accepted. You cannot tar either conservatives or liberals with the same brush I.e. that they won’t take an opposite side to the generality of their leanings if, they are also sensible, practical and assured about the facts of biology as we know them.
53:00 - there is no clear data on this issue. I would prefer to see a "no harm" type clause be put in effect when parents deal with a custody issue. I cannot think of many circumstances where the parent receiving custody should be the one who will force their child into transition. We know, in reality, that very few of those transitioning now are doing it due to serious issues with gender dysphoria. Studies (in will not and need not cite) show that approx. 90% of children who have such dysphoria grow out of it. Other than incest, or some other serious issue relatively similar (certainly not poverty level), the parent objecting to transition should have custody. 54:00 - he may be willing to mutilate his kid and support those that do so, but it should be illegal and harsh penalties should be in place.
Also trying to wrap my mind around the statement that civil rights is something equated with colonialism...."civil rights is a very colonial [imperialistic ]" thing.... "Civil rights is about minorities"??? Perhaps y'all mean it in a very, very, nuanced way...or a really, really "intellectual" way.....but .... wow...speaking about civil rights as if the notion is problematic and corruptive, and then to equate it to Empire and Colonialists (talk about forgetting historical contexts) ....I think I can see what you MIGHT mean....but wow, I've got to squint....
I have to admit my own personal bias against Jack Turban, MD. I find the man too cocky and the narratives he promotes too concerning. Perhaps I am thinking of him as a scapegoat due to this noted bias, but darn, if this battle is to be fought in courts of law, I hope he is the first one to get sued.
“..researchers care about the scientific facts..all think tanks that I know of are none partisan..” maybe you shouldn’t start an interview by insulting your audience. Researchers care about peer acceptance and funding. Think tanks are a tool.
I just googled Manhattan Institute, it is "a community of scholars, journalists, activists, and civic leaders". In other words, it is not a think tank. It is academia, partisan, activist, and indoctrination. He said "research" is part of a "think tank" function and it is not. It relies on a multi-disciplinary approach to accurately reconcile the different analytical formats of those disciplines. To me, it is like a janitor working in a butcher shop saying he's a doctor because bodies are cut up at his workplace, which happens in hospitals and as hospitals have doctors, that must be what he is. And I would expect to see examples of that kind of reasoning throughout his interview.
@@maltekelpin2781 Like those movies where they find something strange and the government brings a team of expert scientists from different fields together to solve the problem as a team. The elements are that a problem comes to exist that requires a solution. If the problem has existed for hundreds of years, it is not a think tank, it is academia. All that does is come up with the same stagnant ideas. One would not associate a think tank with stagnant ideas. But that's what they tend to become whether they are useful or not. Think of every activist organization that lingered on after its objective was achieved. It's just obsolescence trying to find a purpose and as the Christians say, "the devil makes works for idle hands". So that's what I think. And from the fact that they employed this guy and from what he thinks what its purpose is, I can tell that purpose is no more.
How you are laying this at the feet of leftist shows your own bubble. I don't know any leftist that are down with this. A co opted liberal movement is more accurate.
Leor is brilliant, & he seems like a lovely guy too. Please tell him how much his work on "child gender medicine" is appreciated.
As for the Manhattan Institute, I have always found Heather MacDonald to be brilliant too. A great thinker & very clear communicator. Even back when I disagreed with HMacD on most/many things - as I did in the past, now not so much, LOL - I found her writing & thinking to be impressive enough that I wrote her some fan letters.
I didn't find him so brilliant at 55:00 when he gave the go ahead for allowing parents to provide genital mutilation on their child because they didn't have a rational enough mind to know that it is evil.
How are you on Uncle Fester getting down with his niece because NAMBLA gave the go ahead and one parent just shrugged their shoulders?
@@FUToob You sure took what he said out of context.
He stated it doesn't help to villify parents for trying to do right for their child when they listen to professionals. This is exactly what has happened of course with some detransitioners like Chloe Cole.
This whole media, societal messaging is "listen to the experts". When faced with being told your child would commit suicide if you don't do such, and such is hell.
Nothing wrong with having compassion for parents that go through that, while also recognizing these professionals are evil.
As a society we are all fighting this ideology on all sides . The first wave of detransitioners have come through. There will be more coming through.
Not enough are fighting against it, but it's starting.
We need many, many more.
In some forums and channels online it's still appalling the ratio of "gender believers" to gender criticals. Since I started interacting online some months ago, the ratio has improved a bit from 10:1 to 5:1 (estimated roughly by the number of likes). It doesn't reflect real world but the war is also fought online. Yesterday had another one telling me biological sex is a social construct🤦♀️
Our small town community mental health center already had two detransitioners when I worked there three years ago. Wait until the lawsuits for medical malpractice hit.
@@anapontopina86 Online a lot of "people" and "likes" are just bots.
@@annabell3385 I hope that's the main reason then! Unfortunately many are real people. thus week another fruitless debate with a philosophy university teacher about the sex "spectrum" and the social construct🤦♀️
Just recently discovered Leor and was pleased to find that you had already interviewed him. This one of the best I've seen of him. Great job to the both of you.
This is one of the best interviews I've seen you do, Benjamin.
Thank God for this voice of reason. I pray 1000's more come forward 🙏🏿
Leor Sapir is fantastic as always; great conversation. Though it's hard for me to believe the 'trans' medicalizing of children will continue much longer. Once more of them have reached full adulthood, say well into their thirties, and are not only facing ongoing serious health problems, but now understand that their natural ability to experience orgasms was stripped out of them while they were just babies -- surely enough of them will make the politically powerful wake up to the enormity of this human rights violation, and the practice will end.
Along these lines, if adults are allowed to medicalize themselves, the age of consent really needs to be increased significantly -- as with renting a car, where you typically need to be at least 25. If the practice of medically harming the often porn-addicted mentally ill must continue, according to the powerful, they should at least put the minimum age (of the victims) higher yet. ...It's all so horrific.
Who is "they" and HOW do "they" decide? Once you start down that path, everything central to what we know about full human rights/the study of classical Ethics comes up for grabs. I suspect you're not an American citizen, or if you are, then your comment betrays a woeful ignorance of what it means to be a minor and what it means to be an adult in the United States. Neither State nor Church should hold any sway about the function and style of human sexuality among adults unless that function and style impinges on or abuses another's right to his or her own self-determining adult sexuality. Do you plan to set yourself up as an arbiter? Or are you thinking more along lines of THE HANDMAID'S TALE? One can't be declared "an adult" at 21 but still be considered legally a minor. And how would such a law take effect? (For someone to be legally declared an adult AND a minor at the same time?) Would it vary state by state or would there need to be some kind of Constitutional amendment? Do you realize how schizophrenic that sounds?
Leo wasn't so fantastic about allowing parents to provide genital mutilation on their child because they didn't have a rational enough mind to know that it is evil.
How are you on Uncle Fester getting down with his niece because NAMBLA gave the go ahead and one parent just shrugged their shoulders?
@@maxalberts2003 "They" decided kids can't drink alcohol until age 21 but are old enough to go to war and kill people at age 18.
Yes it should be age 25 years old minimum for treatment as “standard of care” Absolutely no reason it needs to be legislated for adults. Also allow insurance reimbursement restrictions (ie don’t require insurance to cover)
Doctors will follow “standard guidelines” out of fear of risk being sued. Restrictions on insurance reimbursements will dry up the perverse incentives
@Max Alberts Hello, just saw your comment. Taro Lantern's comment below goes a good way toward answering your questions. Since most people can't afford the cost of cosmetic medicalization to look and sound like the opposite sex whether by off-label drug, surgical procedure, or both, it is decision-makers at health insurance companies and politicians who largely decide who can receive what coverage and at what age. And yes, federal and state authorities are in regular contention such that restrictions vary by state. You seem to be forgetting that transexual medicalization is a newly expanded field, and was until very recently considered an option only for those rare few who had first battled body dysmorphia through many, many years of adulthood. Full adulthood with complete frontal lobe development is only achieved by age 25 or 26 or, it's now thought, about three years later for people with neurodivergence like high-functioning autism.
Before social media had popularized fads like gender identity, an ultimately regressive, individuality-denying, homophobic, sexist, gender-stereotyping, biology-denying faith system actually subscribed to by very few, true gender dysphoria was quite rare and upwards of 90% of sufferers would desist by the time they'd reached their late twenties, and usually much earlier. By any objective standard, it is better to avoid all the terrible 'side effects' of medicalizing, i.e. irreparably harming, otherwise healthy bodies. Allowing people struggling with mental illness and neurodivergency challenges to self harm via the medical-pharmaceutical complex, and with everyone helping foot the bill through tax and insurance systems, is an issue which should concern everyone who cares about human rights and justice generally.
You sound like someone who's quite new to the complex of issues which trans ideology creates. I hope you'll start reading and listening to those with relevant experience -- detransitioners first and foremost.
This was a great interview! I really appreciate how he traced back the legal "genealogy " of Trans. Because I don't think people realize the process that gave us Trans has been going for a long time. We can simply "stop here" like he pointed in academia. The corruption is deep. I loved his Real Politica framing too
1:10:00 yes writing vague regulations is a strategy because it allows the managerial state to make responsibility opaque. Just like we keep seeing the white house press secretary saying "go ask such and such department" no you are the executive, "the buck stops here" in theory
You know, once those deer start eating they don't stop. They're the largest rodents I've had to deal with. And those bucks get territorial in yards. I had 3 bucks living and hiding behind some spruce trees, and if I happened to be out they'd run, then, turn around and threaten to charge.
This was a good interview, but I am surprised Sapir didn't know about pre American Civil War history and how angry the states were getting at having other states run over them and their laws and freedoms. What began to really rile Free States was that Slave States kept passing laws that threatening citizen rights in Free States. This was ages ago in American Lit class, but we learned among the events that really incited the Free States were laws that penalized anyone in a Free State for failure to report runaway slaves. There was a law that passed that could result in prison and loss of all property if someone helped, fed, housed an escaped slave in any way. Even being silent and not saying or doing anything, not reporting and returning the slave could result in loss of an entire family home and farm. It was this trampling the rights, lives, and homes of people in Free States and the threat of homelessness imposed by southern states that helped cause real uproar. The southern states often cried, "State's Rights!" However, they were the ones imposing on the laws and security of other states.
Trans rights isn't in itself a Civil War issue. What it symbolizes and how far it pushes some state's rights over those of others, and threatens their laws and property rights IS a civil war issue. And many states are trying in various ways to impose on other states, not merely on this issue.
I see the corruption on Wikipedia on transgender biographies where someone's birth name and sex are suppressed if the article was created after they transitioned. And all pronouns are written as if the person had opposite sex their whole life from birth (as the mythology demands, unless they de-transition???), and if Lia Thomas wins a high school swim tournament it is left to the reader to imagine whether they competed as a male or female. So it is "special rights" all the way down. You create an outrageous distortion of reality, and suppress any evidence what is real to "protect" the person, which is what biographies are about, right!?! (Not!) Of course rewriting birth certificates are the same deal.
I'm not saying "Wikipedia is woke", but I'm saying where woke-interests are piqued, they dominate and crush any other voices. How many people have the time and passion to try to fight "consensus" wars on Wikipedia where consensus is defined by policy which is defined by ideologues who have the passion to rewrite reality as Wikipedia sees it into their image. (And we know ChatGPT is trained on wikipedia!)
This is what the character of Winston in 1984 did, rewriting the past. I never thought this could ever happen to us. It used to be dystopian science fiction and now it’s reality.
@@scarba 100%!
@@scarba Yes. It's making me ill, because this is an agenda being pushed on society, and so many people are going along.
Very dangerous, and unhealthy for our society, especially children.
It's a secular cult mentality, and needs to be stopped.
Leor Sapir is my favorite writer on this topic he’s so clear and reasoned…
Amazing guest; so knowledgeable about how the legal system really works and how interest groups can use it to their benefit. It seems to me that there is a systemic flaw so serious that it is very hard to really fix. Ultimately any disagreement in the best conduct in an issue can be solved through a law suite only. It is needless to say that you will need an astronomical number of lawyers to run the system and it is very inefficient and expensive.
Why is it frequently so hard to explain what is blatantly obvious?
The "trans-kids" fallacy is self evident; however, to dispell it requires a complex high resolution dissertation.
It's exhausting. 🐿
«sophistry»
Trans ideology is like religion, that is why. There is no way to argue with religion.
The premiss is that some children are born in the wrong body, and shold receive affirmative therapy as soon as they say the word (i.e.I feel I am in the wrong body). There is no way to prove that anybody ever was born in the wrong body, but some adults say they started their dysphoria in childhood. They regard their own feeling as proof. It is the notion of the trans-gender child (ca 1.45.xx in the podcast).
The ideology leads to numbers of children beeing led into the whole ideology and medicalisation process, in the belief that they are all really trans people, and must be saved from dysphoria.
The wise thing to do is to leave them, let them go through puberty, and reach adulthood and let the small minority that still feel to be in the wrong body decide what they want, as adults. People (like us) should advocate for common reason, and point out that left alone the great majority of these children will learn to accept their own body. I think also, that there is so little focus on the necessity to experience some discomfort in life. For most people going through puberty is definitely in that category.
Calling someone a groomer doesn't mean they're preparing the child for abuse by the groomer necessarily. It means they are preparing a child to be a target doe someone who does.
Sapir is truly brilliant. This was one of your best interviews by far. Best Wishes, L.
I'll be going to a "liberal" week long camp in Minnesota in August (now "trans refuge state"!), and they have workshops on various "social justice" issues. So I'm going to try to get a workshop lead by someone(?!) willing and able to presents the transgender issue in a way that will enable liberals to step out of the progressive echo chamber. Maybe we can call it "What if we're wrong about Gender Affirming Therapy?"
I am weighing whether to attend a candidate meeting for my Congressional representative, who is running for re-election. I have voted for her before. We’re both Democrats. I am to the left of center except on the trans issues (other than permitting adults age 25 and up to elect to have trans plastic surgery). Yes, issues plural: medicalization of minors, drag performances for children, self-ID, and men invading women’s spaces and sports. I draw the line there.
@@pamelaroyce5285 Good for you! My current plan is to vote 3rd party until I see some shift in the Democratic position. Not to "gender" the issue but I remember the cute title "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus", the central idea is that words don't mean the same thing when you're coming from different frames. I'm glad Leor covered the reality that the Left is "closed" to the possibility that that the "transgender child" doesn't exist. We see that core-belief makes anything but "protect" impossible to think about, where a child's feelings are the only "reality". But we know we don't believe that in 100 different ways, so maybe we can show why parents actually do regularly override fantasy, when it leads to irreversible harm!
@@aresmars2003 the problem with politics in the U.S. is that the two party system is baked in. A third party vote is a wasted vote. I think we need to find ways to nudge our fellow liberals out of their dogmatic wokeism (I have no problem with the original meaning of woke; I only object to the cult of wokeism). But the nudging needs to be civil and incremental. Too often people express their viewpoints in harsh and antagonistic terms, which does not promote dialog and healthy compromise. I believe that left and right can come together over the medicalization of minors and the need for women-only spaces and sports.
What's the difference between trans refuge state and safe haven state?
Is anyone having that discussion?
When my friend wanted to do crew (rowing) in high school she was told to find ten or so other girls who also wanted to do it and they would create a girls crew team. That's what happened. I don't see why the same cannot be done in the trans area.
People sending their kids to college at a cost of hundreds of thousands of dollars to unlearn what women and men are is astounding.
This guy was a *great* interviewee--- i found the ways he translated the complex & abstract legal & societal 'machinery' regarding movement/function of this issue into language & analogies i found comprehensible & illuminative.
A GREAT guest!
Since Edward Dutton, I have realized that B Boyce has the MOST interesting guests 👌👌
There is NO trans child and he knows this!
There is femininity in men and masculinity in woman signed trans person
It is absolutely irresponsible to attribute mistaken but good intention to anyone advocating for childhood mutilation under the pretense of affirmative gender identity care.
Absolutely. The same reasoning could be used to justify child sexual abuse. Some "authority" says to a parent, "It's all good and right," and the SFO Men's Choir goes on the march.
As a life long lefty liberal like you, I agree with the right on this one too. There are a lot of us out here. How do we get together.
That was an incredible insight into how the system has been captured.will have to listen again.found it so informative and thank you for sharing.
I'm only halfway thru this cast--and perhaps this will be posited--but I sense the legal system WILL be what shuts down the trans train (i.e., medicalization of children)...but from a liability and NOT regulatory angle. In other words, suing doctors and institutions as opposed to hacking away at regulation will get better results.
As long as health insurance policies subsidize this feminist nonsense, the transition of minors will continue without question. I also don't expect the trend to slow down nor reverse as long as I am Jazz is regarded as harmless entertainment
@@annarboriter Stop trying to demonise feminism. It's just more of the same problem. Feminists led the struggle against trans rights extremism. How far do you want to take this? Do you want to strip us of having the right to vote? We fought long and hard for that
@@annarboriter "Feminist nonsense"? Ain't nothin' feminist about trans ideology -- exactly the opposite.
@@KH-aug Yeah, you can just keep repeating that gynocentric boilerplate and we might all just pretend that Women's studies depts weren't converted into Gender Studies departments by the late 90s
The trans-train includes sosial transition and "affirmative therapy", as well as the drugs / hormones
I love benjamins stare when he knows who he is really talking to halfway through the interview.
🤔 interesting
my kingdom for a timestamp!
@@BenjaminABoyce - I know you are always (generally) very kind to your guest, but I really wonder what you were thinking at 55:00. Thoughts?
This was an amazing interview and so appreciated. It makes me feel relieved that intelligent and ethical people are really getting on this.
Yes! :)
Fantastic conversation.
This was wildly informative. I haven't heard much on the legal background of this issue anywhere else. Many thanks.
1:55:00 no, the process has already started. Academy is already changing their language to designate pedophilia as a sexual orientation. And remember age of consent is only a legal fiction, a good one, but still changeable
Social Media is such a poison---that i agree on with guest!!
Too simplistic. You just watched this and made this comment on social media
Great interview. It’s great to hear such reasoned and balanced arguments. Thank you both 😊
People are not Evil By Birth!!👨👩👦👦 My Dad (Home schooling) learn us Never to trust anybody, bank government, doctors, Teachers etc, BUT TO THINK FOR OURSELF!!
I'm ridiculously excited to watch this!
I wasn't disappointed, fantastic conversation
Thanks for following up!
By chance, did you notice Benjamin's gaze looking any particular kind of way halfway through the video, when he knows who he's really talking to?
@@miroirs-jumeaux all I saw was two gentlemen who have my deepest respect having a powerful and interesting conversation.
I appreciate Leon’s comment regarding parent approval of transition I completely disagree with him on what is an entirely subjective opinion regarding the motivations and justifications of the parents decision.
Yes, but I don't appreciate that comment (54:00)+ as the same reasoning could be used to justify child sexual abuse. Some "authority" says to a parent, "It's all good and right," and the SFO Men's Choir goes on the march.
One of my favorite accts on Twitter.
He's doesn't sound too decisive on this subject of the gender falsehood.
True - he's fine with parental approval for transition so long as the parent can claim they were led to do it by some "authority". With such a viewpoint, a large majority of the mutilation crime continues.
Another mind-blowing "lecture"! The idea of the "trans kid" is described here as trans from birth, but I come up against another argument that avoids having to admit that and the "gendered soul in the wrong body" thing. Instead, a child's gender identity emerges as they grow, and transition therapy just saves them from the awful dysphoria of a mismatch between this identity and the legal gender assigned at birth.
In either case, another fundamental position can be that "transition" is almost a misnomer, and sometimes literally denied, because they just are whatever gender they conceptualise (as we all are supposed to be). Then, if that gender identity conflicts with their assigned sex, or their physical "presentation", or how others identify them, it's argued they have the right to overrule other people's imposed view.
I'm not sure how one can be sure there's no such thing as the "trans kid" in either sense - born or developing - but what the ideology gets you with is this sympathy plea for the suffering child with dysphoria. As far as I know, this is real and can develop very early in life, and I would expect transition to be available. The problem - which is denied endlessly by the trans lobby - is that the ideology creates gender dysphoria; it creates suffering "trans kids". By saying, "this is a real thing that you might be suffering from," it invites kids to start contemplating they might be trans, then seeking support online, which sucks them in further - because only trans people worry about their gender, right, so if you're not sure, you're trans.
Up until this interview, I was led to believe that thinktanks mainly existed to provide guests for the DianeRehm Show
Hehehe
But Canada has a centralized health care system and they are doubling down on affirmative care. I dont thin it matters if health care is public or private....if the people within the system are captured by an ideiology, there is little we can do.
There is a lot you can do. Get out there and fight against it, or, support the fighters.
Any tyrannical ideology can do only so much damage if enough people stop it in its tracks.
You know, the old..."When they came for me" quote.
The systems are fundamentally different, although privatisation is eroding that. Private health is driven by the profit motive. Public health is a matter of public policy and can be contested in the public sphere
Maybe Canada is trying to lower their population? They also encourage suicide.
Very informative!! Thank you
Very ecxited to listen to this!!
Not yet been introduced to Mr. Leor. Up until about 8 years ago, we ALL knew what all of this meant, but a large portion of us choose to pretend we were lying to ourselves for 100K years!
I want the next president to restore Title 9 back to the document's original language. Sex is real, gender feels are a belief. Biden's change is no different than the government imposing all citizens believe in astrology.
@@helenablavatsky9136 ... Sadly, there is a small but VERY vocal minority of women who are doing all they can to destroy Title IX. Look at Megan Rapinoe! She is ALL ABOUT trans in women sports, yet is a SCREAMING blue-haired wackjob feminist. She argues for that which she would have gone BALLISTIC, when she was climbing the ranks of her sport, but 100% happy to see the next generation of girls punished by deeply misogynist beta males 🤬🤬🤬
@@helenablavatsky9136 Oh yeah, in relation to Title 9, there are only a few days left to sign the petition to respect womens sports for women only.
The Biden admin wants to push this crud into it.
So helpful to have legal perspective! No legal opinion, yet, on the legal basis for "self identification", the developmentally absurd doctrine.
Incredible interview. "Munchie Moms" is my new favorite term.
No person in the United States shall, on the basis of sex, be excluded from participation in, be denied the benefits of, or be subjected to discrimination under any education program or activity receiving Federal financial assistance.
- Cornell Law School's Legal Information Institute (20 U.S. Code § 1681 - (men and women) Sex)
I don’t see gender mentioned.
1:29:39 and 1:28:55 -- what a fascinating perspective
Morality society > Law based society, societies with lower morality have more(arbitrary)laws.
Thumbs up for getting rid of social media--- except wait, I'm watching this on UA-cam which I guess is social media... But seriously, social media absolutely tends to amplify the worst of human nature.
WA state passed law requiring insurance to pay but importantly said "medical necessity" will Trump any provision! This leaves debate to medical authorities, associations, and Dept of health. Opportunity!
Hang on, there are limits, tobacco, alcohol, porn, consent to sex? There is no comparison to the examples of emotional harm relative to a permanent decision. Sorry, the more I listen the weaker the argument for any transition.
Really good,, informative, thought-provoking interview
Stop using their preferred language. Stand up for freedom of expression and against compelled speech. They can’t sue all of us! Media platforms will realize how many people they will have to ban. And corporations are learning that people vote with their money.
14:35
I'mma go out on a limb and say Benjamin's familiar with the groundbreaking, dog-park related academic contributions of Lindsay, Boghossian, Pluckrose et al.
14:40 🎉 hey we were thinking of the same paper!
Benjamin, can you please provide links to the overview studies that the interviewee refers to in this episode?. He mentioned the McMaster, university, study, and a few others. Thank you so much for what you do.!
here goes:
ahca.myflorida.com/let-kids-be-kids/evidence-versus-eminence
I'll admit that I haven't watched this video yet and that lately catching your videos has been a little patchy. I have just watched your genspect videos. Though I've seen most of their interviews and Ritchie Herron's interview with Lotuseaters, those videos still felt like a fresh perspective.
Can I also refer you both to the “Petryshyn Memorial Lecture: Anne Applebaum of 1 month ago. Brutality, Incompetence and Historical Echoes in Russian Occupied Ukraine for a contemporary report that describes the mystified incomprehension and violent rage of the Russian soldiers encountering altruism and fellow feeling and community spirit amongst Ukrainians. Well worth watching.
3:06
Only this far into the answer to "what is a think tank" and I've gotta ask:
Are you not in fact describing private, interdisciplinary lobbying firms?
How is a think-tank distinct from a lobbyist?
I’m only 43m in and WOW, is this good.
Children are initially undifferentiated, only potential, not born with innate knowledge. Narcissism is fundamentally wanting our way and culture is supposed to provide a "reality container" that facilitates the emergence of reality testing, the discovery of "other" (not just me) and acceptance of self (shame reduction).
By his phenotype alone i know he is a fellow jew, great ❤
For me it was the pilpul.
Antisemitism lives in the foundations of human society and human nature. The human ego-the desire to enjoy at the expense of others and nature-evolves throughout history and during a person’s life. The more it grows, the more it feels an opposite force also dwelling within. That opposite force is called a “point in the heart.” Contrary to our egoistic desires that wish solely to absorb pleasures into themselves, the point in the heart is a desire that has potential to develop into a desire that loves, gives and positively connects to others.
The point in the heart is also known as the seed of the soul, as we can develop it to discover our soul-the connection that underlies those very points. The realization of the potential encased in this small point of desire is the ability to rise above the human ego, where instead of detaching from one another through our growing egoism, i.e. increasingly prioritizing self-benefit over benefiting others, we instead prioritize the benefit of others and positive human connection.
The point in the heart is the opposite of our egoistic nature. There are people who host only the negative egoistic force, and there are people who have both the negative egoistic force and the positive altruistic force. When both positive and negative forces coexist in us, then we become called “Jews” or “Israel” according to our inner essence. Likewise, if we solely host the negative egoistic force with no revelation yet of the point in the heart, then we are called “nations of the world” according to that essence.
We underwent several stages of development throughout history. The point in the heart first surfaced throughout human society in ancient Babylon. The Babylonians who felt the inner urge to seek something deeper in life beyond the earthly egoistic desires joined Abraham, who taught a method for how to nurture the point in the heart in order to rise above the ego and positively connect. Abraham organized the Babylonians who wanted to study with him into a group, and he called this group “Israel,” which is made up of the words “Yashar Kel” (“straight to God”), i.e. people who aim themselves directly at the attainment of nature’s upper force of love, bestowal and connection, which is opposed to the force existing in human beings, the force of reception.
Since Abraham’s time, the two groups-Israel and the nations of the world-have undergone much development. Some from the Israel camp left the group to pursue their natural egoistic inclinations, i.e. with an inclination to the nations of the world, while some from the nations of the world felt that they possess a special closeness and connection, which draws them to Israel. In other words, Jews are not a nationality, but they are people who host the point in the heart, which associates them with the positive force of nature, and which is opposite to the egoistic force that we are born and raised with by nature.
The source of antisemitism is in the contrast and conflict between the two opposite desires of our inborn egoism and the point in the heart that can develop our ability to rise above the human ego.
He has a Petersonian twinge in his accent, but only when you're not looking at the screen. It goes away when you look at him because he doesn't look like Peterson.
I don't even understand what the title of the video means. The legal side of gender. Isn't gender just ideological?
@Zentz... It used to mean another work for the sex of a person or at least the biological characteristics typical of a male or female. The WOKE cult has the definition SOO screwed up, we are having to re-hash definitions that have been in use for 100K years
This trans mania has legal implications for the rest of us. It is threatening freedom of speech and security of employment for people who even accidentally “misgender” someone. What about the pension rights of trans widows? Are inheritance rights affected? While trans loons play with reality like it’s a video game in which they can choose their own identity and language, the rest of us are being asked to transform our own understanding of reality and a language that has evolved naturally. Under penalty of law.
Hmm. Don't see the two replies it says are here.
@@serpentines6356 It is very common, lately, to pull down replies and see none or less than it says are there. I don't know why.
@@menow.me neither but my guess is reported/flagged/otherwise moderated comments are provisionally hidden from view, beforo they disappear from the reply count...
Have you never seen the obvious fake Benjamin Boyce accounts that try to trick simpletons into texting a whatsap number? (I've seen several channels with that kind of scam being undertaken in the comments)
Is there a legal side because i read that in 1947 the Neurenberg tribunaal has stopped this and that law still stands so these operations are illegale
There's a bit of over simplifications here. I agree that there is a growing problem with transgender children not being treated or diagnosed correctly. It's not like abortion debates where grown adults are making decisions about their bodies.
For the Left, being "transgressive" or "subversive" is just a good unto itself, which is why those are two of their favorite words to throw around. It's always good to transgress against society, they believe, because society is just so bad with all its rules and everything. Of course this belief is one that we all had when we were teenagers, but some people never grow out of it. And this is why trans is such a sacred belief to them. It seems to break all the rules, which is the real reason they love it so much.
1:44:00 Final point - Whew...got there.
From the halls of Montezuma to the streets of Little Rock ...
3:20
I hear a robin! Must be on Benjamin's end of the tube.
I wonder what you and Leor make of the work of Matt Taibbi and what he has to say about he deems “the censorship industrial complex.” I think-beyond the one factor of critical social justice “true believers” having their moment in the sun/asserting their power in academia-the information that Taibbi provides constitutes a big piece of the puzzle on how and why he zeitgeist shifted so quickly.
Have neither of you two gentlemen read “ Humankind: A Hopeful History by Rutger Bergman? Because yet again here we have portrayed the ancient message that humans are evil by nature and our best answer is to suppress that nature through societal means, “the family” being the means by which we control mens’ worst inclinations to spread their seed and abandon their children. And yes, some men do do that, for various reasons, many of which, today, are nothing to do with being “Innately evil” and more to do with never having had a decent male father figure in their lives because their fathers didn’t either. And we continue to talk about old philosophers both religious and non whilst not taking into account the affect on human beings, on generations of human families of the epigenetic effects and structural and emotional effects of two world wars. And yet, the actual behaviour, of communities and families during the worst of those times were supportive and cooperative of each other in the face of a belief by their leaders that those community’s would fail, fall apart or descend into madness. Facts show differently. So staying “open minded” appears to be not, fundamental, even if you espouse the ideal, particularly if you adopt a position whether so called liberal or so called conservative, based on a particular philosophical position and one’s own innate biases; in particularly, most major world religion’s characteristics, their attitudes towards human nature - given that we understand religion, everywhere, to take a very dim view of said human nature - to have grown and flowered as a response to oppressive societies. And it has been shown, historically that it is not natural for human beings to tear each other apart but rather individual Psychopaths who take power and drive those wars and abuses manipulate whole populations to carry through their own Psychopathic delusions for them. We have an unlovely example of such a man’s Psychopathic behaviour, driving an unwanted almost middle ages savagery style war right now in Ukraine because he was allowed to take power, hold it and direct it, all out of his background in the same socialist ideologies that Leor also was raised in except in very different contexts. All that this proves is that ideologies, whatever they be, in whatever arena they are actuated, are created by power hungry, controlling madmen(mostly) and fail hopelessly because they go against the propensity in human nature for love and cooperation though they create misery on a vast scale until either they are stopped or they die of natural causes. It always comes back to which individuals benefit from these ideologies and why does society not call out the practices and behaviours of such men, the likes of “Doctor” John Money on the one hand and or Robert Mugabe on the other to name some lesser known individuals - because we all know the big ones - today but whose drive for power, money and control caused and are causing a wrecking ball to be taken to the fundamental drive of human beings to create workable co-operative societies to live and thrive in.
hellz yes!
Never had a video keep cutting out and/or switching to a different video and start playing it. Idk what this man has to say, but my guess is someone doesn’t like it.
1:14:30 this is exactly my belief as well, and it's irrefutable.
I disagree that “liberals” so called won’t go against their liberal cohorts for fear of not being accepted. You cannot tar either conservatives or liberals with the same brush I.e. that they won’t take an opposite side to the generality of their leanings if, they are also sensible, practical and assured about the facts of biology as we know them.
I used to think I was liberal.
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Chest Binders modify bodies.
53:00 - there is no clear data on this issue. I would prefer to see a "no harm" type clause be put in effect when parents deal with a custody issue. I cannot think of many circumstances where the parent receiving custody should be the one who will force their child into transition. We know, in reality, that very few of those transitioning now are doing it due to serious issues with gender dysphoria. Studies (in will not and need not cite) show that approx. 90% of children who have such dysphoria grow out of it. Other than incest, or some other serious issue relatively similar (certainly not poverty level), the parent objecting to transition should have custody.
54:00 - he may be willing to mutilate his kid and support those that do so, but it should be illegal and harsh penalties should be in place.
Also trying to wrap my mind around the statement that civil rights is something equated with colonialism...."civil rights is a very colonial [imperialistic ]" thing.... "Civil rights is about minorities"??? Perhaps y'all mean it in a very, very, nuanced way...or a really, really "intellectual" way.....but .... wow...speaking about civil rights as if the notion is problematic and corruptive, and then to equate it to Empire and Colonialists (talk about forgetting historical contexts) ....I think I can see what you MIGHT mean....but wow, I've got to squint....
I have to admit my own personal bias against Jack Turban, MD. I find the man too cocky and the narratives he promotes too concerning. Perhaps I am thinking of him as a scapegoat due to this noted bias, but darn, if this battle is to be fought in courts of law, I hope he is the first one to get sued.
“..researchers care about the scientific facts..all think tanks that I know of are none partisan..” maybe you shouldn’t start an interview by insulting your audience. Researchers care about peer acceptance and funding. Think tanks are a tool.
Should I start drinking from jam jars to be cool?
Yes.
What a nightmare. So educate your kids at home.
Save this for later. 2 hours ey.
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The right version of the trans child is possibly the unborn fetus.
I just googled Manhattan Institute, it is "a community of scholars, journalists, activists, and civic leaders". In other words, it is not a think tank. It is academia, partisan, activist, and indoctrination.
He said "research" is part of a "think tank" function and it is not. It relies on a multi-disciplinary approach to accurately reconcile the different analytical formats of those disciplines.
To me, it is like a janitor working in a butcher shop saying he's a doctor because bodies are cut up at his workplace, which happens in hospitals and as hospitals have doctors, that must be what he is. And I would expect to see examples of that kind of reasoning throughout his interview.
What would you consider an actual think-tank?
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Like those movies where they find something strange and the government brings a team of expert scientists from different fields together to solve the problem as a team.
The elements are that a problem comes to exist that requires a solution. If the problem has existed for hundreds of years, it is not a think tank, it is academia. All that does is come up with the same stagnant ideas.
One would not associate a think tank with stagnant ideas. But that's what they tend to become whether they are useful or not. Think of every activist organization that lingered on after its objective was achieved. It's just obsolescence trying to find a purpose and as the Christians say, "the devil makes works for idle hands".
So that's what I think. And from the fact that they employed this guy and from what he thinks what its purpose is, I can tell that purpose is no more.
@@Teddypally Interesting. Thanks.
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You're welcome and thank your for being so polite with your question. :)
Think tanks are never without purpose, they aren't ivory towers.
I'll bet this guy thinks BLM makes some good points.
You should pay attention to his comments about tribalism.
How you are laying this at the feet of leftist shows your own bubble. I don't know any leftist that are down with this. A co opted liberal movement is more accurate.