I like it when game developers make these kind of positive changes. Is your favourite character getting impacted by these buffs? *Corrections & Additions* 1. I glossed over Mika in Superconduct. It should be a relatively OK buff for him (maybe more so in the future). 2. Shatter Albedo might become legit as some people have pointed out in the comments (I am personally doubtful though).
I will happily take these buffs for Razor and Venti. Also I wonder how they will buff Cryo when Snezhnaya comes out since that seems to be a thing because this buff mostly impacted Anemo and electro and that is the two elements of the 5.2 characters
Shatter was never a benefit for you, i think MHY hated freeze from the start so much that they put in shatter as a debuff to it, thats why it was always bad, because it was meant to be. Still is. Which is why only non freeze teams get to enjoy benefit of it, despite it requiring freeze.
Technically it doesn't matter that kazuha can do double swirl because electro charge make so you have both electro and hydro aura at the same time so any anemo unit can swirl both at the same time
@@andro5t Is it? IIRC, when there're 2 elemental aura and you apply another elemental to react, there will reaction priority that determine which react occur first until that aura disappear. For Swirl, Electro swirl has higher priority than hydro swirl, so if Kazuha apply anemo on electro charged enemies, he will swirl electro which reapply electro again. I think it might be like electro blocking Kazuha from swirling hydro.
@@andro5t They likely meant in stuff like "Soup", aka when you have EC and Overload going at same time, say you have off field hydro and electro, and then you infuse his burst with Pyro. It was popular for a little while with Ayato before everyone forgot he existed, its also the basis of Suc-kokomon (Sucrose Kokomi Fischl Xiangling), which became very popular for a some time due to its power potential but is rather technical to play. Another example but one that never got called Meta was the GAA2 team, using all the characters from the event.
I think Cyno will also benefit from this buff because of overload. Cyno naturally wants to build EM and converts EM. I play Cyno-Hyperbloom in single target bosses and Cyno-Overload in multiwave. Overload's weakness of knocking back small enemies doesn't affect Cyno as much since his converted normal attacks reach long and his burst lunge him forward. Overload staggering enemies also means Cyno doesn't need a shield. In a team with Cyno, Chev, Fischl, Xiangling, the energy needs are lower. My Oz is just C0 so I'm waiting for the day I can play Cyno-Overload to its full potential.
well guess what happens during cyno hyperbloom. yes, electrocharge... in the team where u can put thoma as flex slot on cnyo team you will have a solid hyperburgeoncyno team
Honestly, outside of a select few such as Dori, Ayato, and Thoma who genuinely needed these buffs, it feels more like a "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" situation. Kazuha and Fischl were already top-tier units and they are the two biggest beneficiaries of these buffs.
I do believe you are severely underestimating the Superconduct and Shatter buff. There's a bit of nuance and a lot of details that *_combined_* make a lot of difference: - SC buff will make it stronger than current Electro-Charged and Shatter will be as strong as current Hyperbloom (half as strong bc of 2 Hyperblooms). Taser and Hyperbloom are already serviceable if not meta. - SC can double dip with Aggravate, because Aggravate doesn't consume aura and Cryo doesn't interact with Dendro and both scale with EM. - SC can trigger twice in AoE, like swirl. And there is tech to trigger it twice on a single enemy by itself. - *Shatter doesn't have ICD, because you aren't applying an aura.* If you apply it fast enough, you can probably outpace Hyperbloom. - Geo almost always Shatter. 1000 EM Crystallize is actually nothing to scoff at. Geo with Petra/ToM/Noblesse can now become Buffers + Shielders + sometimes off field on freeze/physical teams. Most of them don't deal hyperbloom levels of damage anyway, so it's an upgrade. - SC and Shatter scale off the same stat and Shatter benefits from SC shred. - SC, Shatter and Electro Charged are all common to see in Physical teams with hydro. Furina/Yelan buff Physical too. - EM is an easy stat to invest if you aren't the main DPS and have some off-field app. While the damage buff may not seem "enough" damage wise (even though it objectively kinda is), it double dips with a lot of stuff that the other reactions don't (or that already did before these changes). And while it may not make many characters much better, it can push some into the _good enough_ territory. Of course, don't bring Shatter teams to bosses. Just like you don't bring Neuvilette to fight the Hydro Tulpa.
@infrnlmssh9719 Hyperfridge teams are pretty big winners. Freminet mains will love this. Not that it will make him competitive, but for those that like the character, his best team is getting way better. And Nahida's burst will actually be worth using in it, now.
One thing is that Freminet is actually really decent in Hyperbloom (or rather, hyperbloom is a really good comp for his kit if u want to make him work), because he needs a hydro and electro unit, Nahida last slot is just no brainer, and so even tho shatter is garbage, his teams will be doing some Electrocharged, Shatter and Superconduct, and he will be getting free 250 EM from Nahida so i'd consider overall buff to be relatively decent.
You make a good point, considering that he can get EM from Nahida, he wouldn't have to sacrifice his own ATK to build EM. It might be a substantial buff to Freminet.
One thing you forgot about geo is that with claymores and some charged attacks, it is the trigger of shatter. And while most of the geo do not build em, Albedo actually has an em passive, so he might have been a great option to triger off field shatter, but shatter being shatter...
I'm so excited that Sayu is on here for a massive buff. Seriously. Kazuha kept being shot down by the pyrogunner in the 3 fatui Polychrome fight. Sayu was too short to be hit and agile enough to get away when her skill was about expire. My L70 Sayu ended up being the star with Sac claymore and she cleared faster than when I used other Anemo units. I'm farming to raise up her level for her achievements.
I'm excited too, Sayu's greatness will hopefully be noticed by more people now. She fills both the healer and VV swirler slot, she moves around on the field fast and she is really fun to use in general. Her C6 makes her triple EM build even more viable (I hope I get more copies of her one day)
Keqing's highest dps team in single target is the Bennett/Chevreuse/Fischl trio with c6 Bennett where you would have her on a pyro goblet and never use burst. It's like a bit higher than her aggravate comp.
Sheet math and restricted to C0 5*s, it is good but with C2 Nahida you get quite a bit more out of her, and the lack of grouping and lack of mobility (Circle impact) can hurt it in practice. No reason NOT to play it if you enjoy it but its like 5% potential rather then a huge gap, but with worse QoL a lot of the time besides its healing/survivability. I think for many and myself included the mobility and simplicity of Keqings aggravate teams specifically (especially with C4-C6 Kirara instead of Nahida) is a big part of the draw. OL feels more like playing a hypercarry with more steps and restrictions to ones rotations, and importantly movement. Good for charging through breakpoints on relatively stationary characters but often not as free, as fast, as fun, which is like Keqings whole thing imo (Although i don't blame her bigger fans who play her constantly for wanting OTHER comps!!!, I'm more a casual fan) Aggravate still scales insanely well with artifacts which is why you see Keqing and Clorinde in top end F2P and Dolphin speedruns almost ALWAYS running aggravate, with some Furina Sara stuff at like super high, max whale investment (more so w/ Clorinde but maybe sometimes Keqing, Keqing-Sara at least at times, and probably fantastic combo in OL when you can 1 cycle things where you can't otherwise)
As someone who uses mainly Electro elemental reactions and really likes Overload and Electro-charged, my Raiden, Yae Miko, and C6 Fischl will be doing so well... I can't wait to see how much these buffs will help my double Electro reaction teams!
Shatter's base mechanics need to be changed for it to be any good whatsoever. My personal wish is that it autotriggers on bosses when they resist freeze.
8:50 keqing is surprisingly good in overload, and I would say it’s a good buff for her 16:22 yoimiya overload, alright buff. Still mostly played in vape 20:39 cyno is now pretty good in overload, I’d say it’s alright buff for him For clorinde overload im not sure
For Clorinde, it's the same story with EC. Good buff, but nothing crazy since in those teams you build her with more ATK while EM is reserved for Quicken.
for yoimiya it's a good buff.. I used zhongli, raiden, yoimiya and kuki/chevreuse, and this team carried me to my first 36-star abyss.. lately I'm using her more with zhongli, yelan and kokomi as the main team became clorinde, raiden, arlecchino, chevreuse, or dehya, xilonen, mualani, sigewinne.. but still, yoimiya does a nice job in overload..
I was expecting a lore video based on Fischl sharing the name of a demon in an Ars Goetia meaning she shares the fate of a hypothetical Demon God in Genshin and likewise is strong enough to bear the fate of said god
Hybrid *Raiden* (specially Soluna's build, which uses the *Staff of the Scarlet Sands* and EM/EM/C.Rate pieces) will be eating GOOD with these changes, same for most *Hyperbloom* teams (as they can _also_ proc Electro-Charged and even Superconduct, Freeze _and_ Shatter) and EM buffers in general... It's so good to get more flexibility! I would only argue that *Barbara* is quite the competent Electro-Charged driver for the likes of *Fischl* and Ororon in the future - as she is _supposed_ to be an on-field healer that uses normal attacks due to her _entire_ kit, plus having access to Favonius Codex and _being able to Crit_ (unlike Kokomi) to make off-field rotations easier: As she has almost no personal damage (unless over geared) and doesn't "depend" on any substats (as she can _still_ heal for 15K+ on *Q* without even going for HP rolls) there's pretty much _no_ loss in going double or triple EM on her, using Clam Set or even Thundering Fury for permanent *E* uptime... Yeah, plunging is the only "real" DPS Barbara and Sucrose is arguably "better" at driving Electro-Charged, but Barbara isn't half bad if your Anemo can off-field and you need the constant Healing / Fav. particles.
5:43 simply put it feels like oz is the reason why most electro dps dmg feel so bad, his existence kinda restricts the design of future aggravate characters at the very least and clorinde (the one I picked) just because she doesn't do anything new that other electro characters didn't already do
Very interesting, exciting that Hoyo is implementing this and hopefully improving some characters. Really hope one day Freminet and Kaveh (your mention of using him on a Shatter team sounds interesting, ah its so sad how "they massacred our boy") somehow are saved! Hope they continue to release changes like this, I'm still hoping Capitano will come out alongside Snezhnaya and revamp all of Cyro And its crazy how apparently disliked Clorinde is, I have no idea why that's the case, she is such a joy to play, currently best Electro and even if not she is super powerful, and to me she is a wonderful character, I just don't understand that rating compared to removing say Kuki. Wild how community views form!
"C6 Sethos clears 3 seconds faster than C3 Raiden" As a Sethos fan, that makes me so happy to hear that there are scenarios he does better than someone else, and THE Electro Archon herself no less!
technically diona at c6 is getting a buff bc of her em bonus for superconduct and shatter dmg, so its a mini bonus for eula and freminet teams and shatterbloom kaveh
Speaking of super conduct, it's not an incredible buff, but it makes the damage not negligent this reaction is basically a swirl cryo so if you put a good hydro and electro applicator you can do shatter and electrocharged at the same time
This is 2 days early but ororun is also getting a lot of value from this buff arguably more than fischl But hydro healer are getting a lot of value next patch if you want to use fischl ororun kazuha/sucrose next Especially sigewinne with her elemental skill buff for off field unit
17:20 Wth??? Like respectfully were you playing raiden with barbra,aloy, qiqi or something? Like not only is that not possible by DPS measures, but also C3 Raiden always uses Bennett and Chev/Kazuha which will allow that team to easily burst the Yumkasaur's berries, while Sethos never uses Pyro characters on his team.
Here are the teams we used:- 1. Raiden (C3R1), Bennett (C6), Kazuha, Sara (C6) --> 15 seconds rotation, N2CA for Raiden [My account] = 1:21 mins clear (Best Clear) 2. Sethos (C6, Hunter's Path R1), Nahida (C2), Fischl (C6), Furina (C2) --> 13 seconds rotation, CA Spam [My friend's account] = 1:14 (Best Clear) 3. Raiden (C3R1), Bennett (C6), Xilonen (C6R1), Sara (C6) --> 15 seconds rotation, N2CA for Raiden [My friend's account] = 1:19 (Best Clear) We tried these against a variety of bosses and Raiden lost every single one. I can turn it into a video if you want, but it will essentially just be a Raiden humiliation ritual if we go through with it... Especially when we compare her to C2 Clorinde who cleared consistently 10 - 13 seconds faster than any Raiden clear. And before you ask, yes, we tried Raiden with C2 Nahida. You don't want to know how that went, trust.
My friend, C0 Raiden does less damage than C0 Sethos, so it isn't surprising that C6 Sethos gaps C3 Raiden. Theorycrafters have been saying Sethos crept her since 4.7, and now people are finally realising it.
@@DedeTheHut I mean I can understand if Sethos outdpsed C0 Raiden, that's not a high bar but C3? Goddamn, and I thought Genshin didn't have powercreep.
@@blazikenfury8852 He is a Charged ATK Bow DPS, so naturally, he needs to do more damage to offset the fact that he is significantly harder to play optimally than alternatives. Otherwise, we would have absolutely no reason to use him if he was harder and did the same/less DMG.
I would say the overload buff is a bigger buff for dehya than thoma,while she procs burgeons slower,she procs overloads faster with e(2.5 sec for dehya vs 3 sec for thoma) she can proc even faster during her burst. Aint much but should be accounted for given that we have a good lot of good offield electros see amy. Will probs be a nice change for my dehya who uses gilded on a em/pyro/crit setup.
Laughs in C2R1 Kazuha. You know, this buff reminds me of the 1.6 transformative buff that actually came with his release, which completely changed the way anemo swirl characters were built. Wild that Venti and Sucrose got a MASSIVE buff for exactly half a patch until Kazuha sidegraded them, and another half a patch later Venti got powercrept during Inazuma. IMHO I think if Clorinde and Keqing count, then Cyno does too. Are you one of those people stuck on the 3.1 meta of trying to force him to aggravate? His best archetype is quickbloom by a mile. The goal with Cyno is proccing a lot of hyperbloom + quicken + EC reaction combos at the same time. So while the biggest numbers won't be from EC, they're a good chunk of the team's DPS and he scales off EM. How good is it? In a team with XQ or Yelan I guess better than his best team with Furina, but it's still a buff. Maybe between weak and alright, but it definitely affects him. He also does pretty okay in Chevy overload teams but that depends on the supports and his investment? I hope Mavuika is a XL sidegrade that's comfier to play, because the real reason I'm not trying Cyno/any electro DPS overload is feeding particles to the black oppa void. I just use Arle instead...
I think all the Pyro carries like Yoimiya and Yanfei couldve gone into "weak buff" for overload. Chevreuse kinda means they all benefit. And also Overvape teams are getting buffed by this, meaning the EM they build for vapes will benefit the overloads more.
Hoyo's inability to come up with a single meaningful buff for Geo in more than 4 years really annoys me. Just slap some beneficial effects on the crystals when you pick them up, or make them apply debuffs to enemies if you don't pick them up. Bam, you have a good support element
Just found your channel, is it okay to ask where you general go for meta calcs/discussion? In house or do you have anyone you rely on? Not denying anything you've said i was more impressed with how accurate it seemed to be despite never hearing of you before, and then finding out you are way more of a Lore channel which is pretty cool. One thing though i would of maybe given Ayato(nm you did lol, i was halfway through) and Kokomi both multi-, probably massive, because of the soup style comps (Sukokomon and Ayato Soup, as well as Ayato HyperBurgeon which features Kuki and Thoma) You effectively did this already because of the related units in said teams so maybe its better the way it was, but i still would consider them highly affected even if its not like with Sucrose, Kuki, Thoma themselves where its TO THEM specifically.
While this reaction buff make Kazuha better in both team, I'm not sure if it would make him "better" than Xilonen esp. in term of meta in abyss bc Electro charged is very good for AoE situation but doesn't do as much single target but abyss lately is mostly single target or 2 enemies. * I'm 1 of those who think Xilonen is better than Kazuha bc I base on the abyss floor 12 and Natlan abyss cycle rarely need grouping and only has a few enemies in each waves.
Barbara+ Thrilling tales + Song of days past = Melee driver buffer. She has a place in the meta for any selfish DPS who uses hydro. Meaning almost anybody Anyone with Mona c4 Is the equivalent to buying bitcoin for pennies to get millions.
people voting out fischl I can come up with 3 reasons 1. she yaps too much 2. didn't read it went for favorite electro 3. she's overused too much razor I want to try him in EM build alongside C6 bennett doing burgeon, HB, etc.. but I don't want to build him
I guess the Fischl buffs are okay if you wanna play her mid elemental reaction, off field sub dps build. If you wanna unlock her true potential you do physical on field machine gun. 😎 Can't be limited by the elements if you don't use them. Celestia nerds keep crying.
I think Bennett should be in "not affected" his buff doesn't increase overload damage. Hmmm..... Now that I think about it, is the base reaction buff also apply to damage on you too? If so, Bennett's self applying Pyro might be even more deadly to you facing enemies like consecrated scorpion.
I feel like Kaeya could have gone into shatter, bc hes in a lot of freeze comps? but also ig freeze has kinda fallen off so idk if that's even relevant lmao
If you really cope (I am) it's possible to play Geo or any claymore on shutter. So Albedo, Noelle, Itto, maby Chiori (I'm not sure it depends on her skill cooldown) and maby Navia (but that may actually be a DPS loss due to slow cristalize) can be technicaly played on shutter. Do they care? Probably not. Is it a funny team possibbility: maby.
Not everyone lives in the US bro. And I know US elections do affect the whole world due to the US being an influential nation to the rest of the world, but most people couldn't give a damn.
Some of these are understandable takes but there's a lot of misinformation in this video as well. Originally I wanted to make a list but by the time I finished my drive home and the video was over, there was just too much to correct.
Please don't pretend to understand the game. I am constantly in and around the TC community for Genshin and the only major mistake he made was putting Candace in "Weak Buff" since she doesn't trigger EC reliably. You are probably upset that he told you Raiden got powercrept by Sethos right? Go ahead, please try and argue that I cannot wait to destroy you on it. I don't think you realize how much math and research there is on this topic already.
@NatureWatcher343 why are you worked up and making assumptions based on nothing? I understand the math and research because I've been doing it personally since 1.0. I like this channel for the crack lore theories, but this video is too biased for the subject matter, and is to some degree inappropriate considering the number of viewers that may take the content as fact.
I don't like Clorinde as a character. Girly bores me more than Ayato and her design is underwhelming compared to other Fontaine units. And I don't really like the BoL mechanic in general. So...off she goes to the Abyss, never to be seen again 😅
4:32 I can think of one sucrose team that makes use of Overload, and thats the Sukokumon variants where you try to do tripple swirls with Guoba swirling 5:45 I think it's because Clorinde is just a bit boring as far as gameplay goes, personally i spend most of my time playing her watching my HP bar than looking at the actual combat, i need to do this because of my high ping though so it might not be the same for most, Oz winning is absolute insanity though. 9:10 ehhhh no i wouldn't use Keqing outside of Dendro no. 12:00 i would've put Albedo in Shatter and Still bad tbh, he does have a pretty big EM buff in his A4 and his flower can proc shatter, it still so bad though. 12:12 while true that Hu Tao's best teams don't include a Electro unit, before Yelan came out there was the Overvape stuff with Fischl, you'd have Hu Tao Xingqiu Fischl Flex and it was and still is a pretty decent team, not nearly close to the dps you can do with Yelan Furina Xilonen these days but the team didn't get worse with time, i would've put her in Overload and Alright. (the same applies to Xiangling) 15:40 yeah i definitely agree with everything about shatter/freeze, really wish they'd let it at least happen against bosses. 20:43 I don't think Candace is ever triggering electro charged? she's only really played with either Nilou, Arlecchino or Mualani and you don't have electro in any of these teams, she doesn't build EM either. 21:19 believe it or not but Taser Faruzan isn't as much of a meme as you might think, it's fun at the very least, would've put her in EC and Alright alright this was fun! good vid
I like it when game developers make these kind of positive changes.
Is your favourite character getting impacted by these buffs?
*Corrections & Additions*
1. I glossed over Mika in Superconduct. It should be a relatively OK buff for him (maybe more so in the future).
2. Shatter Albedo might become legit as some people have pointed out in the comments (I am personally doubtful though).
I will happily take these buffs for Razor and Venti. Also I wonder how they will buff Cryo when Snezhnaya comes out since that seems to be a thing because this buff mostly impacted Anemo and electro and that is the two elements of the 5.2 characters
Would you consider streaming? I know you're busy though, but I'm just genuinely curious.
Whats the swirl multiplier currently?
@@Fellow1999 0.6 x Level Multiplier.
@@DragonMJE ok not buffed?
Fischl 7.0 buff leak: summons the primordial one
Oz
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THE PRIMORDIAL ONE, A PROGENITOR GOD HAAAAIIILLINGG FROM BEYOND, THE STARS!! If yk yk
i'd enjoy that, shes the best!
@@FrigidMoonlightourr beloved sustainer of heavenly principles :3
with the amount of hp sponge we're getting in the abyss, i wish they rework shatter to deal %dmg based on the enemy current hp
I wish it was an anti-shield mechanic, not a freeze supplementary effect
Shatter was never a benefit for you, i think MHY hated freeze from the start so much that they put in shatter as a debuff to it, thats why it was always bad, because it was meant to be. Still is. Which is why only non freeze teams get to enjoy benefit of it, despite it requiring freeze.
that's physical break in hsr 😂
Kazuha's ability to double swirl has never been more useful than now...
Technically it doesn't matter that kazuha can do double swirl because electro charge make so you have both electro and hydro aura at the same time so any anemo unit can swirl both at the same time
@@andro5t Is it? IIRC, when there're 2 elemental aura and you apply another elemental to react, there will reaction priority that determine which react occur first until that aura disappear.
For Swirl, Electro swirl has higher priority than hydro swirl, so if Kazuha apply anemo on electro charged enemies, he will swirl electro which reapply electro again. I think it might be like electro blocking Kazuha from swirling hydro.
@@cardnacn6704It Pyro hydro electro cyro in decreasing level of priority. Except for Traveller his highest is cryo for some reason
@@andro5t They likely meant in stuff like "Soup", aka when you have EC and Overload going at same time, say you have off field hydro and electro, and then you infuse his burst with Pyro. It was popular for a little while with Ayato before everyone forgot he existed, its also the basis of Suc-kokomon (Sucrose Kokomi Fischl Xiangling), which became very popular for a some time due to its power potential but is rather technical to play. Another example but one that never got called Meta was the GAA2 team, using all the characters from the event.
@@prophetPYSCHO Really!? When I checked genshin wiki about SImultaneous reaction priority, it's electro > pyro > hydro > cryo.
Fishl really do be getting buffed literally every region
I hope if they ever do a collab with HSR it’ll be Fischl just to keep the meme going lol
I think Cyno will also benefit from this buff because of overload. Cyno naturally wants to build EM and converts EM.
I play Cyno-Hyperbloom in single target bosses and Cyno-Overload in multiwave. Overload's weakness of knocking back small enemies doesn't affect Cyno as much since his converted normal attacks reach long and his burst lunge him forward. Overload staggering enemies also means Cyno doesn't need a shield. In a team with Cyno, Chev, Fischl, Xiangling, the energy needs are lower. My Oz is just C0 so I'm waiting for the day I can play Cyno-Overload to its full potential.
well guess what happens during cyno hyperbloom. yes, electrocharge... in the team where u can put thoma as flex slot on cnyo team you will have a solid hyperburgeoncyno team
Say it with me: CynOverload!
Honestly, outside of a select few such as Dori, Ayato, and Thoma who genuinely needed these buffs, it feels more like a "the rich get richer and the poor get poorer" situation. Kazuha and Fischl were already top-tier units and they are the two biggest beneficiaries of these buffs.
Honestly shatter should go to at least 4.5 with how unreliable it is
wtf meta tc from my loretuber
i'm joking i'm always happy to see your vids
A rare occasion since the buffs are substantial and affect so many characters.
Most meta players aren't good at theorizing and lore analysis while most lore youtubers are reasonably good at meta. Odd 🤔
@@nighthawkJr-n2w It's because lore players actually read
THE MANIACAL LAUGH WHEN YOU MENTIONED RAZOR 😭😭
I do believe you are severely underestimating the Superconduct and Shatter buff. There's a bit of nuance and a lot of details that *_combined_* make a lot of difference:
- SC buff will make it stronger than current Electro-Charged and Shatter will be as strong as current Hyperbloom (half as strong bc of 2 Hyperblooms). Taser and Hyperbloom are already serviceable if not meta.
- SC can double dip with Aggravate, because Aggravate doesn't consume aura and Cryo doesn't interact with Dendro and both scale with EM.
- SC can trigger twice in AoE, like swirl. And there is tech to trigger it twice on a single enemy by itself.
- *Shatter doesn't have ICD, because you aren't applying an aura.* If you apply it fast enough, you can probably outpace Hyperbloom.
- Geo almost always Shatter. 1000 EM Crystallize is actually nothing to scoff at. Geo with Petra/ToM/Noblesse can now become Buffers + Shielders + sometimes off field on freeze/physical teams. Most of them don't deal hyperbloom levels of damage anyway, so it's an upgrade.
- SC and Shatter scale off the same stat and Shatter benefits from SC shred.
- SC, Shatter and Electro Charged are all common to see in Physical teams with hydro. Furina/Yelan buff Physical too.
- EM is an easy stat to invest if you aren't the main DPS and have some off-field app.
While the damage buff may not seem "enough" damage wise (even though it objectively kinda is), it double dips with a lot of stuff that the other reactions don't (or that already did before these changes). And while it may not make many characters much better, it can push some into the _good enough_ territory.
Of course, don't bring Shatter teams to bosses. Just like you don't bring Neuvilette to fight the Hydro Tulpa.
@infrnlmssh9719 Hyperfridge teams are pretty big winners. Freminet mains will love this. Not that it will make him competitive, but for those that like the character, his best team is getting way better. And Nahida's burst will actually be worth using in it, now.
One thing is that Freminet is actually really decent in Hyperbloom (or rather, hyperbloom is a really good comp for his kit if u want to make him work), because he needs a hydro and electro unit, Nahida last slot is just no brainer, and so even tho shatter is garbage, his teams will be doing some Electrocharged, Shatter and Superconduct, and he will be getting free 250 EM from Nahida so i'd consider overall buff to be relatively decent.
You make a good point, considering that he can get EM from Nahida, he wouldn't have to sacrifice his own ATK to build EM. It might be a substantial buff to Freminet.
One thing you forgot about geo is that with claymores and some charged attacks, it is the trigger of shatter. And while most of the geo do not build em, Albedo actually has an em passive, so he might have been a great option to triger off field shatter, but shatter being shatter...
Huh? A buff? In Genshin? In this economy? Didn't know that was even a possibility
I'm so excited that Sayu is on here for a massive buff. Seriously.
Kazuha kept being shot down by the pyrogunner in the 3 fatui Polychrome fight. Sayu was too short to be hit and agile enough to get away when her skill was about expire. My L70 Sayu ended up being the star with Sac claymore and she cleared faster than when I used other Anemo units. I'm farming to raise up her level for her achievements.
I'm excited too, Sayu's greatness will hopefully be noticed by more people now. She fills both the healer and VV swirler slot, she moves around on the field fast and she is really fun to use in general. Her C6 makes her triple EM build even more viable (I hope I get more copies of her one day)
@@dasytaylor Sayu Fiscal Furina and maybe kazuha or Biedou
New playstyles after 4 years holy moly but I aint complaining
Thank god, FINALLY Fischl will be usable now.
Yoimiya does amazing in Chevreuse overload team. Overload buff will benefit her.
If it's not Xiangling getting a buff, it's Fischl getting a buff
Holy shit I just remembered you make meta videos too! I actually found you from the Alhaitham guide
Same
mmmm hell yeah a new my name for now video to watch while hungover
0:26 : for comparison, the power of hyperbloom reaction is : 3
so Overload would be near as mush. and electro-charge, 2/3 of hyperbloom.
At this point they are gonna make ̶A̶m̶y Fischl as a 5 star character for how strong she is
The power of the five are all close to 5 star levels
It's why no four star has been able to knock the off thier post
Amy been getting carried by Oz since day 1
About your poll: I think people didn't read the question and just voted for their favorite character.
Yeah
Keqing's highest dps team in single target is the Bennett/Chevreuse/Fischl trio with c6 Bennett where you would have her on a pyro goblet and never use burst.
It's like a bit higher than her aggravate comp.
Sheet math and restricted to C0 5*s, it is good but with C2 Nahida you get quite a bit more out of her, and the lack of grouping and lack of mobility (Circle impact) can hurt it in practice. No reason NOT to play it if you enjoy it but its like 5% potential rather then a huge gap, but with worse QoL a lot of the time besides its healing/survivability. I think for many and myself included the mobility and simplicity of Keqings aggravate teams specifically (especially with C4-C6 Kirara instead of Nahida) is a big part of the draw. OL feels more like playing a hypercarry with more steps and restrictions to ones rotations, and importantly movement. Good for charging through breakpoints on relatively stationary characters but often not as free, as fast, as fun, which is like Keqings whole thing imo (Although i don't blame her bigger fans who play her constantly for wanting OTHER comps!!!, I'm more a casual fan)
Aggravate still scales insanely well with artifacts which is why you see Keqing and Clorinde in top end F2P and Dolphin speedruns almost ALWAYS running aggravate, with some Furina Sara stuff at like super high, max whale investment (more so w/ Clorinde but maybe sometimes Keqing, Keqing-Sara at least at times, and probably fantastic combo in OL when you can 1 cycle things where you can't otherwise)
@ which is why I specified single target
As someone who uses mainly Electro elemental reactions and really likes Overload and Electro-charged, my Raiden, Yae Miko, and C6 Fischl will be doing so well... I can't wait to see how much these buffs will help my double Electro reaction teams!
What does this mean for my Dori hypercarry superconduct shatter team with Qiqi, Sayu, and Furina?
Shatter's base mechanics need to be changed for it to be any good whatsoever. My personal wish is that it autotriggers on bosses when they resist freeze.
8:50 keqing is surprisingly good in overload, and I would say it’s a good buff for her
16:22 yoimiya overload, alright buff. Still mostly played in vape
20:39 cyno is now pretty good in overload, I’d say it’s alright buff for him
For clorinde overload im not sure
For Clorinde, it's the same story with EC. Good buff, but nothing crazy since in those teams you build her with more ATK while EM is reserved for Quicken.
@ thx
What a good day to be a Kazuha main
Today i made my kazuha get his 1,043 em to 180 er so its a good day for this news
People vote not for garbage units but for units that make others feel garbage (particularly characters they like)
for yoimiya it's a good buff.. I used zhongli, raiden, yoimiya and kuki/chevreuse, and this team carried me to my first 36-star abyss.. lately I'm using her more with zhongli, yelan and kokomi as the main team became clorinde, raiden, arlecchino, chevreuse, or dehya, xilonen, mualani, sigewinne.. but still, yoimiya does a nice job in overload..
oh my god, I haven't even thought about using yoi in this abyss, thanks for the idea
I was expecting a lore video based on Fischl sharing the name of a demon in an Ars Goetia meaning she shares the fate of a hypothetical Demon God in Genshin and likewise is strong enough to bear the fate of said god
forget fischl, yae miko will be even more cracked
People just love to sleep on the fox. They don't believe.
Hydro tulpa is gone …. Literally every reaction is against him 😅😂
In 32.x Genshin the Entropy Archon Shade will be a must pull because of how well he works with Fischl.
when it comes to Chasca and Ororon; for them it's no 'buff', it's their new base line
Oh, I love using those reactions already so this will be fun
What a perfect start to Wednesday ❤ Yes please, more ways to make my Yae, Fischl, Kazuha, etc more broken than they are. 😅
He's a theory crafter😳
Hybrid *Raiden* (specially Soluna's build, which uses the *Staff of the Scarlet Sands* and EM/EM/C.Rate pieces) will be eating GOOD with these changes, same for most *Hyperbloom* teams (as they can _also_ proc Electro-Charged and even Superconduct, Freeze _and_ Shatter) and EM buffers in general... It's so good to get more flexibility!
I would only argue that *Barbara* is quite the competent Electro-Charged driver for the likes of *Fischl* and Ororon in the future - as she is _supposed_ to be an on-field healer that uses normal attacks due to her _entire_ kit, plus having access to Favonius Codex and _being able to Crit_ (unlike Kokomi) to make off-field rotations easier: As she has almost no personal damage (unless over geared) and doesn't "depend" on any substats (as she can _still_ heal for 15K+ on *Q* without even going for HP rolls) there's pretty much _no_ loss in going double or triple EM on her, using Clam Set or even Thundering Fury for permanent *E* uptime... Yeah, plunging is the only "real" DPS Barbara and Sucrose is arguably "better" at driving Electro-Charged, but Barbara isn't half bad if your Anemo can off-field and you need the constant Healing / Fav. particles.
5:43 simply put it feels like oz is the reason why most electro dps dmg feel so bad, his existence kinda restricts the design of future aggravate characters at the very least and clorinde (the one I picked) just because she doesn't do anything new that other electro characters didn't already do
Very interesting, exciting that Hoyo is implementing this and hopefully improving some characters. Really hope one day Freminet and Kaveh (your mention of using him on a Shatter team sounds interesting, ah its so sad how "they massacred our boy") somehow are saved! Hope they continue to release changes like this, I'm still hoping Capitano will come out alongside Snezhnaya and revamp all of Cyro
And its crazy how apparently disliked Clorinde is, I have no idea why that's the case, she is such a joy to play, currently best Electro and even if not she is super powerful, and to me she is a wonderful character, I just don't understand that rating compared to removing say Kuki. Wild how community views form!
"C6 Sethos clears 3 seconds faster than C3 Raiden"
As a Sethos fan, that makes me so happy to hear that there are scenarios he does better than someone else, and THE Electro Archon herself no less!
Although Sethos does more damage, he is significantly harder to play than Raiden.
as a kazuha main, lets fkn goooooo
didn't expect you to cover meta
technically diona at c6 is getting a buff bc of her em bonus for superconduct and shatter dmg, so its a mini bonus for eula and freminet teams and shatterbloom kaveh
Having c6 fischl and c0r1 kazuha feel dam good
Speaking of super conduct, it's not an incredible buff, but it makes the damage not negligent
this reaction is basically a swirl cryo so if you put a good hydro and electro applicator you can do shatter and electrocharged at the same time
This is 2 days early but ororun is also getting a lot of value from this buff arguably more than fischl
But hydro healer are getting a lot of value next patch if you want to use fischl ororun kazuha/sucrose next
Especially sigewinne with her elemental skill buff for off field unit
finally some buff for Venti 🙏🏼
17:20 Wth??? Like respectfully were you playing raiden with barbra,aloy, qiqi or something? Like not only is that not possible by DPS measures, but also C3 Raiden always uses Bennett and Chev/Kazuha which will allow that team to easily burst the Yumkasaur's berries, while Sethos never uses Pyro characters on his team.
Here are the teams we used:-
1. Raiden (C3R1), Bennett (C6), Kazuha, Sara (C6) --> 15 seconds rotation, N2CA for Raiden [My account] = 1:21 mins clear (Best Clear)
2. Sethos (C6, Hunter's Path R1), Nahida (C2), Fischl (C6), Furina (C2) --> 13 seconds rotation, CA Spam [My friend's account] = 1:14 (Best Clear)
3. Raiden (C3R1), Bennett (C6), Xilonen (C6R1), Sara (C6) --> 15 seconds rotation, N2CA for Raiden [My friend's account] = 1:19 (Best Clear)
We tried these against a variety of bosses and Raiden lost every single one. I can turn it into a video if you want, but it will essentially just be a Raiden humiliation ritual if we go through with it... Especially when we compare her to C2 Clorinde who cleared consistently 10 - 13 seconds faster than any Raiden clear.
And before you ask, yes, we tried Raiden with C2 Nahida. You don't want to know how that went, trust.
My friend, C0 Raiden does less damage than C0 Sethos, so it isn't surprising that C6 Sethos gaps C3 Raiden. Theorycrafters have been saying Sethos crept her since 4.7, and now people are finally realising it.
@@DedeTheHut I mean I can understand if Sethos outdpsed C0 Raiden, that's not a high bar but C3? Goddamn, and I thought Genshin didn't have powercreep.
@@blazikenfury8852 He is a Charged ATK Bow DPS, so naturally, he needs to do more damage to offset the fact that he is significantly harder to play optimally than alternatives. Otherwise, we would have absolutely no reason to use him if he was harder and did the same/less DMG.
I have mained yoimiya for along time with em raiden, nahida and kokomi. Overload is great with her and enables aoe even though her e is single target
I would say the overload buff is a bigger buff for dehya than thoma,while she procs burgeons slower,she procs overloads faster with e(2.5 sec for dehya vs 3 sec for thoma)
she can proc even faster during her burst.
Aint much but should be accounted for given that we have a good lot of good offield electros see amy.
Will probs be a nice change for my dehya who uses gilded on a em/pyro/crit setup.
Should make superconduct shred more phys, too
Laughs in C2R1 Kazuha. You know, this buff reminds me of the 1.6 transformative buff that actually came with his release, which completely changed the way anemo swirl characters were built. Wild that Venti and Sucrose got a MASSIVE buff for exactly half a patch until Kazuha sidegraded them, and another half a patch later Venti got powercrept during Inazuma.
IMHO I think if Clorinde and Keqing count, then Cyno does too. Are you one of those people stuck on the 3.1 meta of trying to force him to aggravate? His best archetype is quickbloom by a mile. The goal with Cyno is proccing a lot of hyperbloom + quicken + EC reaction combos at the same time. So while the biggest numbers won't be from EC, they're a good chunk of the team's DPS and he scales off EM. How good is it? In a team with XQ or Yelan I guess better than his best team with Furina, but it's still a buff. Maybe between weak and alright, but it definitely affects him. He also does pretty okay in Chevy overload teams but that depends on the supports and his investment? I hope Mavuika is a XL sidegrade that's comfier to play, because the real reason I'm not trying Cyno/any electro DPS overload is feeding particles to the black oppa void. I just use Arle instead...
Fun fact the first video I watched from you was also something about meta primarily not lore lol.
Funnily enough I still don’t have a fischl I’ve been playing for 2 years too😭
i will do a Kuki - Venti - any pyro - Xilonen team.
Xilen reduce the elemental res (also venti with VV), to increase the Overload damage.
And what exactly changes then if Kazuha, Sucrose, Fischl and co get a buff?😮💨
Rainbow razor
In my team it's called gayzor
I’m wondering how much this is gunna buff raiden electro charged with xilonen…
I think all the Pyro carries like Yoimiya and Yanfei couldve gone into "weak buff" for overload.
Chevreuse kinda means they all benefit.
And also Overvape teams are getting buffed by this, meaning the EM they build for vapes will benefit the overloads more.
Bro. The way you say character names is "eargasm".
Why is fischel holding Noelle's rose in the thumbnail?
I demand to see the source of that image
Hoyo's inability to come up with a single meaningful buff for Geo in more than 4 years really annoys me. Just slap some beneficial effects on the crystals when you pick them up, or make them apply debuffs to enemies if you don't pick them up. Bam, you have a good support element
I want to play Clorinde in electro-charged teams❤️🔥🔥
Good tier list
my razor teams clear every side of abyss this cycle im so hyped
So does this mean I can now effectively use my Freminet??? 🥰
Just found your channel, is it okay to ask where you general go for meta calcs/discussion? In house or do you have anyone you rely on? Not denying anything you've said i was more impressed with how accurate it seemed to be despite never hearing of you before, and then finding out you are way more of a Lore channel which is pretty cool.
One thing though i would of maybe given Ayato(nm you did lol, i was halfway through) and Kokomi both multi-, probably massive, because of the soup style comps (Sukokomon and Ayato Soup, as well as Ayato HyperBurgeon which features Kuki and Thoma) You effectively did this already because of the related units in said teams so maybe its better the way it was, but i still would consider them highly affected even if its not like with Sucrose, Kuki, Thoma themselves where its TO THEM specifically.
While this reaction buff make Kazuha better in both team, I'm not sure if it would make him "better" than Xilonen esp. in term of meta in abyss bc Electro charged is very good for AoE situation but doesn't do as much single target but abyss lately is mostly single target or 2 enemies.
* I'm 1 of those who think Xilonen is better than Kazuha bc I base on the abyss floor 12 and Natlan abyss cycle rarely need grouping and only has a few enemies in each waves.
Barbara+ Thrilling tales + Song of days past = Melee driver buffer. She has a place in the meta for any selfish DPS who uses hydro. Meaning almost anybody
Anyone with Mona c4 Is the equivalent to buying bitcoin for pennies to get millions.
people voting out fischl I can come up with 3 reasons
1. she yaps too much
2. didn't read it went for favorite electro
3. she's overused too much
razor I want to try him in EM build alongside C6 bennett doing burgeon, HB, etc.. but I don't want to build him
Bro never heard of Ayaka Pyro damage plunge melt.
Kuki hyper bloom team do together hyperbloom and electro charge so…. She be ticking 33k hyper + 20k electro charge,…❤❤
I guess the Fischl buffs are okay if you wanna play her mid elemental reaction, off field sub dps build. If you wanna unlock her true potential you do physical on field machine gun. 😎 Can't be limited by the elements if you don't use them. Celestia nerds keep crying.
I wouldn't say they are the biggest buffs in history, the previous (1.7?) reaction buffs were more impactful imo
I think Bennett should be in "not affected" his buff doesn't increase overload damage.
Hmmm..... Now that I think about it, is the base reaction buff also apply to damage on you too? If so, Bennett's self applying Pyro might be even more deadly to you facing enemies like consecrated scorpion.
I feel like Kaeya could have gone into shatter, bc hes in a lot of freeze comps? but also ig freeze has kinda fallen off so idk if that's even relevant lmao
cant wait for shatter eula teams to be viable in abyss
If you really cope (I am) it's possible to play Geo or any claymore on shutter. So Albedo, Noelle, Itto, maby Chiori (I'm not sure it depends on her skill cooldown) and maby Navia (but that may actually be a DPS loss due to slow cristalize) can be technicaly played on shutter. Do they care? Probably not. Is it a funny team possibbility: maby.
Barbara second best Nilou healer
I believe in my man Albedo in shattered meta😔
Why Kuki overload is bad? I really like to play kuki in chevreuse overload
When did I say that she is bad in Overload?
Kaveh shatter here I come
Doesn't Wriohesley shatter with his charge attacks?
Yeah, they’re considered blunt attacks
I care, I'mma built my Shatconduct team and I'll shatconduct all over the place.
Beginning of video: Today is a damn good day
Me: Uhh...you heard about the election, right?
What election?
Not everyone lives in the US bro. And I know US elections do affect the whole world due to the US being an influential nation to the rest of the world, but most people couldn't give a damn.
US elections I assume. Don't follow it but I see it here and there. It's ongoing if not concluded by now.
Yup, and since you decided to mention it, the results we good. Now stfu.
Since you decided to mention it, yeah, good results.
owh..
mediocre unit like Fischl clearly needs 15 more of these buff to compete against level 1 c0 Dori, will be looking forward to her very needed buff
Preach
seasonal fischl buff.
buff physical plz hoyo
Some of these are understandable takes but there's a lot of misinformation in this video as well. Originally I wanted to make a list but by the time I finished my drive home and the video was over, there was just too much to correct.
Please don't pretend to understand the game. I am constantly in and around the TC community for Genshin and the only major mistake he made was putting Candace in "Weak Buff" since she doesn't trigger EC reliably. You are probably upset that he told you Raiden got powercrept by Sethos right?
Go ahead, please try and argue that I cannot wait to destroy you on it. I don't think you realize how much math and research there is on this topic already.
@NatureWatcher343 why are you worked up and making assumptions based on nothing? I understand the math and research because I've been doing it personally since 1.0. I like this channel for the crack lore theories, but this video is too biased for the subject matter, and is to some degree inappropriate considering the number of viewers that may take the content as fact.
I don't like Clorinde as a character. Girly bores me more than Ayato and her design is underwhelming compared to other Fontaine units. And I don't really like the BoL mechanic in general. So...off she goes to the Abyss, never to be seen again 😅
4:32
I can think of one sucrose team that makes use of Overload, and thats the Sukokumon variants where you try to do tripple swirls with Guoba swirling
5:45
I think it's because Clorinde is just a bit boring as far as gameplay goes, personally i spend most of my time playing her watching my HP bar than looking at the actual combat, i need to do this because of my high ping though so it might not be the same for most, Oz winning is absolute insanity though.
9:10
ehhhh no i wouldn't use Keqing outside of Dendro no.
12:00
i would've put Albedo in Shatter and Still bad tbh, he does have a pretty big EM buff in his A4 and his flower can proc shatter, it still so bad though.
12:12
while true that Hu Tao's best teams don't include a Electro unit, before Yelan came out there was the Overvape stuff with Fischl, you'd have Hu Tao Xingqiu Fischl Flex and it was and still is a pretty decent team, not nearly close to the dps you can do with Yelan Furina Xilonen these days but the team didn't get worse with time, i would've put her in Overload and Alright. (the same applies to Xiangling)
15:40
yeah i definitely agree with everything about shatter/freeze, really wish they'd let it at least happen against bosses.
20:43
I don't think Candace is ever triggering electro charged? she's only really played with either Nilou, Arlecchino or Mualani and you don't have electro in any of these teams, she doesn't build EM either.
21:19
believe it or not but Taser Faruzan isn't as much of a meme as you might think, it's fun at the very least, would've put her in EC and Alright
alright this was fun! good vid
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Soon™
Rainbow razor
In my team it's called gayzor