The BANNED Mormon Cartoon That Went Too Far
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The God Makers is an anti-Mormon documentary from 1982 with an infamous animated segment that rakes Mormonism across the coals. Is it deserving? Is what the documentary claims true?
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As a current JW who's been on both sides of the coin, ( non beleiver ) and then beleiver, I can't wait for your vid ✌️
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@Saberspark
What are your thoughts on Elementals box office numbers right now? Can you please make a video about it?! Please?
Thank you so much for telling the truth, and having an unopinionated honest review video . As always your work is amazing
I’m a Latter-day Saint, and while I haven’t watched the video yet, I am familiar with your channel and very familiar with the Godmakers.
It’s sad that people get their impressions of us from propaganda like this without ever realizing the intense bigotry we’ve been subjected to throughout history-a bigotry that remains largely socially encouraged even today.
So I’m glad that more people are becoming more aware of these things and re-examining their prejudices.
I was a Mormon as a child and I have to say I don't know much about this film. I was taught Native Americans were the descendants of Lamanites and their "red skin" is a curse.
Almost like, despite the inflammatory statements, the movie depicted some truth.
@@viraticwarswhat the hell are you talking about???
I’ve been Mormon all of my life, having been to different stakes and wards, and never heard something like that 💀
????? And here given how peaceful & more aware of nature they are they’re more likely descendants from God’s people. I say to pock of fun towards negative parts of history. 😅😂 Although it would somewhat explain some things lol 😂
HOW COULD "GOD LOVING" CHRISTIANS BE THAT HATEFUL AND RACIST???? 😱😱😱
So my girlfriend was born and raised Mormon. The planet thing- was definitely something that was taught. She was taught as a kid that she would have her own planet to rule over. It even gave her anxiety because she didn’t want that kind of power.
She’s 30 so it was definitely taught in more recently times. Just wanted to put in her perspective in this, she left the church 7 years ago but the majority family is still in the church.
That's something I find deeply funny about this whole thing - "get your own planet" is a wild simplification, and the actual doctrine sounds so much more out there.
Basically, take the fairly mainstream idea of deification to its logical conclusion in the context of other LDS beliefs.
The thought process goes like this:
1. Everyone existed before birth as a child of God (core LDS belief).
2. We can become as God is (logical conclusion of deification).
3. God made the Earth for us (mainstream Christan belief).
4. By 1 and 2, it follows that we'll have children that'll have the capability to also become like God.
5. By 2 and 3, it follows that we'll probably need to make planets for them to live on, and by then, we will have the capability to do so.
So less of a "we'll be given a planet to rule over," and more, "we'll need to build a planet ourselves at some point."
Source: I was raised in the Church, and this was pretty standard doctrine once you graduated from the simplified stuff taught to the Primary kids.
@@MorgenPeschke There’s a very deep rabbit hole to go down if you want to learn the history behind it, too. It starts with the King Follett discourse, where Joseph Smith gave a sermon at this guy’s funeral and basically was like, “Don’t worry guys. He’s dead, but know he gets to become a God and also God used to be human like us before he became a God.” Which like…is a pretty wild theological bomb to drop at a guys funeral when no one has ever heard of it before.
Fast forward to Brigham Young who starts teaching that Adam is the god of our world and that Elohim, Jehova and Michael (who are also God, Jesus and Adam respectively) form a Father, Son and Grandson relationship. His take on this is really convoluted, but my understanding is that essentially to become a god, you have to personally go through all three roles. He adds parts of this to the temple ceremony because before Joseph’s death, he told Young that the temple ceremony wasn’t quite finished yet and it was Young’s job to complete it.
Parley Pratt and John Taylor hate this anew doctrine. Pratt and Young argue over it over the pulpit in General Conferences. Young would get up and talk for hours and then Pratt would get up and say, “Everything Brother Brigham told you is wrong” and spend an equal amount of time disproving it. When Young dies and Taylor takes over they remove all references to it. If it weren’t for detailed journals of various members at the time, all info around it would probably be lost.
After that, there’s a lot of back and forth on how literal it gets interpreted, which is probably why you can take a group of Mormons and ask them about it and you’ll get a wide variety of responses. There’s a direct theological line from Joseph Smith -> Joseph F. Smith -> Joseph Fielding Smith -> Bruce R. McConkie, who are very attached to this idea, largely because of the familial tie to its lineage. But then you have others who don’t like it as much because it’s a bit more distant from standard Christianity, and especially after 1920 and the abandonment of polygamy, many in the church were desperately seeking acceptance from mainstream America, especially when you start looking into Utah become a state and the Reed Smoot hearings, etc.
Mormonism is way more interesting after you leave the church because there’s this crazy history that no one in the church wants to talk about.
Per all Abrahamic religions and their derivatives it’s all about subjugation and conquest.
I’m only 22 and I remember getting that teaching as a child. It was taught at least as recently as 6 years ago
@@MorgenPeschkeexactly! Thank you for explaining this so well
A Mormon friend of mine years ago told me that the whole be-God-of-your-own-planet thing was literal, but only for those who are deemed worthy. I forget how he described what makes one worthy.
Getting your second annointing in the temple.
Getting to the first degree of glory in the celestial kingdom is how. According to the church there are three degrees of glory within the celestial to get to the top you gotta be married and sealed in the temple and live faithfully your whole life. And according to that in the next life you will have infinite kids and worlds and can do whatever you want as god.
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As someone who was raised in the LDS Church, the idea, very simply, is that, as children of God, you have the potential to become like him.
Did you believe them?
In the 1980's when home video rentals were on the rise, there were a lot of low-budget, horror, exploitation and pseudo-documentaries that had the word "BANNED" emblazoned on the covers or "BANNED in Over 40 Countries", etc... to entice customers to rent or buy their video.
in other words, clickbait covers
@@Game_Hero That is 100% what a lot of them were.
Those pseudo documentaries, were called "mondo" movies in the 70's because the trend started in Italy. Exploitation cinema was massive back in the day.
ThY took me back... I forgot about that. Now I almost wanna go watch some troma films. ...almost.
@@timbermicka oooh, i always wondered why
As a former Mormon who has many points against the church in many fronts
This is straight up insane. So many of these points are valid but taken to such an absurd extreme that it's hilaroous lmfao
Also its wild to me that someone who left the church because of historical doubts and problems with the leaderahip became an unofficial EVANGELICAL MINISTER working for profit
I’m a former Mormon too, and I was also pretty shocked to find out it was from an Evangelical Minister 🤣
Jumping from one shitshow to another. It would be like leaving Scientology to become a Jehovah's Witness.
Having lived and worked in a heavily Mormon populated area made me really cautious around people who declare themselves exmormons. Just so many I've known are certifiably insane lol. One guy I was doing work for assumed I was Mormon after turning down a beer, grabbed a rifle, and threatened to "put a 308 through my skull." I can still hear his reaction. "Are you a Mormon? What the fuck!?" Followed by other unintelligible words when he ran into his house. I found out he was Mormon the next day while talking to a neighbor of his.
He wasn't the only one, just the most extreme. It was insane though how many people got offended that I didn't drink. Alcoholism runs in my family, and killed several family members.
looks like he took some inspiration from Joseph Smith himself lol.
@@kianajensen1709 its almost that he took inspiration from Joseph Smith lol
When Saber said "its Mormon time" and then mormed all over those people i couldn't stop crying
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Dead meme. Let it go.
@mousermind I remember when Saberspark said "It's Dead memeing time!" And Dead Memed all over the place. Truly inspiring.
@@mousermind dang just let them morb they aren’t doing any harm
I'm an ex Jehovah's Witness and I am very much looking forward to you covering the Caleb and Sophia series because not only are they pure propaganda for the doctrine, many of the lessons they teach about day to day life are outright dangerous and need to be called out so children can be protected. The amount of time and research you've been doing for years lets me know that it's gonna be worth the wait.
Even though I’m an irreligious person, your comment is great.
As a current JW 🤝 i respect the opinion, I have found many blessings thru being a JW but there isn't always great situations, so I hope your much happier now ✌️
But also, what "dangerous" messages are their really, nothing other then the typical christrian stances. This comment is a gross one statement. I hope you find peace soon
@@SSantanapng Also an ex jovie and you need to leave that cult.
@@SSantanapng bro did a 180
It doesn’t surprise me that this doesn’t come from Atheist ex Mormons, but evangelicals. It has a striking similarity to films that slander atheists.
Also, typically by nature, atheists don't care enough for high slander, just because it doesn't matter. Just one off poking so to say, though obviously that's only from my perspective
I mean the racism part is like actually true
Huh? As an Evangelical German, I am a bit perplexed that this comes from evangelicals. We literally came from a dude that thre 95 reasons onto a church door lol. Idk, maybe thats american evangelic christians? My church preaches helping others, helps raise funds for schools and kids in 3rd world countries, preaches that god created everyone as they are and we mustn't judge them on their skin, gender, sexuality and sex nor judge them on their religion, as we all, after all, have been created by the same god.
@tyronechillifoot5573 Yeah, it’s more about the tone to me, it feels like old satanic panic media.
@windjager2177 I wish all American Evangelical people were like you, because they (with exceptions) are not. Hate preaching is almost mainstream here, banned book lists are growing, and you could set your watch to anti-LGBTQ laws being proposed. So many people just ignore the inclusive, kind, and welcoming parts of the bible, and focus on the hate. Sorry for the rant. 😅
I got probably the nicest Christian ad before this video. It’s some site called Hallow, the guy started off asking if I’d stay and pray with him even though I’m busy with a video. I humoured the screen man, and afterwards he thanked me and said If I’d like to pray more to visit the site.
Now, I’m an atheist, but that’s the nicest ad I’ve seen personally. No shoving religion down my throat, and giving me the choice on whether to stay or leave. I don’t know who that screen man is, but I wish him well and I hope that his beliefs give him peace. Thank you screen man.
Most likely it's the dude that plays Jesus in The Chosen. That show seems to be popular with a broad spectrum, even non-believers. Probably because it is not stilted like most religious tv and meant to be entertaining.
I think so many people mistake good faith stuff like that for bible thumping
I got the same ad too, he seemed like a good guy.
Wholesome ❤
That man would be Johnathon Roumie. He plays a great role as Jesus in the free show The Chosen on Angel studios app. I’m glad you humored the ad and interacted and enjoyed your time. Have a blessed day 🫶🏽
It is so interesting how South Park managed to have a better message on religion than a documentary
Fr-like that episode taught me about the religion
@@Eet_Mia well obviously not everyone is like that specific family-of course it varies. I wasn’t talking about the family part at all-but the stories they told in that specific episode. Just because one specific family is like that, I didn’t assume that all are.
@@Eet_Mia look dude, ur probably right-I don’t know much about this so I’ll just take what you say and move on. Sorry if I offended you any way. Have a good day
Considering how insular they are and how much that's lead to abuse cases I find South Park's frankly shallow 'they just believe weird things' pretty trite.
@@Eet_Mia Joseph Smith was a Freemason , albeit it begs the question of how he supposedly achieved the 33rd degree so easily prior to separating and creating a new kind of Masonic religion from what he learned from them .
And the Masonic influence within mormon circles still exists somewhat today . But would guess it was cleansed so to speak in the 90's when there was a rather concerted effort to homogenize the mainstream portion.
However past reasons neighboring peoples had problems with the mormons prior to their exodus to the Salt Lake valley . Was only partially because of their weird and secretive practices. The motivational lions share was because of utilizing the communistic umbrella that became a powerful tool in Americas capitalistic playground . Basically a way to cheat by church leaders making economic decisions with the voting power of their congregation .
And frankly mormonism ... has been the best attempt at creating a communistic society . But of course not without free access to capitalism .
Mormonism was definitely entrenched in the stepford wife syndrome ... but it has changed . Has it changed for the better in the larger scope of societal building ???
IDK , but superficial people are not something they invented , only adapted and worked toward a better outcome maybe ?
I suppose another 20 years will tell a lot :\
I'm an over 50 born and raised mormon , that became inactive in my late teens.
Then spent 20 years being anti mormon and anti christian in general .
Which the last decade has been transitioning to a devout Agnostic.
Meaning I do not know , and am fine not knowing . . . therefore less jaded by fear or anger in pondering lifes questions .
Whenever you mix religion and anything there is a big chance something weird will happen
NO MATEY
Judas and Jesus, can't top that.
@@glidershowerSTOP IGNORING ME MATEY
True
@@tylerhackner9731STOP IGNORING ME MATEY OR ILL MAKE U WALK THE PLANK
I’m Native and my friend last year was Mormon. She’s left for her mission this year. I am deeply confused and hurt to know now about what she apparently believed about me our entire friendship. I don’t know what I’ll do when she comes back.
*Mormon missionaries are not out sharing the message of the grace of Jesus Christ. They are selling spiritual bondage to the Mormon Church,* claiming they are the one true church and everyone needs to join. The Mormon' so-called restored gospel is an endless To-Do-List of requirements mandated by them including paying 10% of your total income, so you can get a Temple Recommend from a Mormon bishop, so you may participate in a Temple Endowment Rituals, perform baptism of the dead rituals, which includes, giving Masonic type handshakes, saying secret passwords, wearing underwear with sewn in Masonic symbols, and do much more. All so you possibly, maybe, perhaps, have eternal life, becoming a Mormon polygamist exalted man god or his goddess wife.
Where as the Bible and Christian message is to have forgiveness of sin and God’s gift of eternal life in the presence of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit, is through faith and trust in Jesus Christ only and not through any church.
“For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;” (Romans 3:23)
“For the wages of sin is death; but THE GIFT OF GOD IS ETERNAL LIFE THROUGH JESUS CHRIST our Lord” (Romans 6:23)
“For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is *the gift of God:* Not of works, lest any man should boast.” (Ephesians 2: 8-9)
Jesus said, “…know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” (John 8:32)
Do not let the Mormon Church make merchandise of you.
Hi friend, I'm a practicing Latter-day Saint, and would like to pop in on this.
First of all, the LDS Church has had a bad history with racism and rather twisted attempts to justify racism with intentional misreadings of scriptures.
Once all the stupid old racists finally died off, we've tried to reconcile with our past and stamp down on racism. The Book of Mormon literally says "[H]e inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.
I'm sorry if you ever experienced any racism from those who should have been your friends, but I can assure you, that is strictly against Church (and especially Jesus') teachings.
With regards to skin color and "cursing", well... It's awkward. The Book of Mormon claims to be a historical record of people who lived in the Americas from ~600BC - ~400BCE, and broke into (at least) 2 separate nations which were constantly at war. The "good guys" which were the purported authors of the book, would have seen the "bad guys" as bad, and any differences between them to be proof of such. Thus, ancient racism which got packages neatly in a religious text (similar to how the ancient Israelites viewed the Canaanites or Philistines).
Doesn't make it okay, obviously, but it's pretty clear if you actually read the Book of Mormon that any physical differences between the two peoples was superficial and not super important. Some of the "bad super cursed guys" converted and gave up on the whole "genocide the other group" mentality and it said they were more blessed and more righteous than the original "good guy" group. Thus, whatever skin color you have is meaningless, any "curse" someone has is just their distance from God and His commandments, not their skin color. Don't like the direction you're going in life? Turn to God and He'll help you out. Boom, uncursed.
Hopefully this rambling made sense. As someone who served a mission, it can get pretty lonely, so you might want to write/email your friend and ask them directly about their thoughts on the matter. Have a great life!
You can preach the truth of the bible to your brain washed friend. The true Jesus found in the bible says there is no male or female, no king or slave in his kingdom (heaven). God bless.
@brettpinion4233 this is very much something I wish more people saw in the scripture....Instead of throwing a single line in Leviticus to condemn and entire group, (lgbt) And claiming Christian values
You appreciate her work. MORE…. As I AM ABOUT TO BLOW THE WHOLE STORY OPEN WITH MY DNA 🧬 REVEAL……..
I'm impressed, he almost pronounces Moroni correctly. Most non mormons pronounce it like some kind of weird macaroni.
...I learned how to say it from Book of Mormon 😅
Almost, but not quite lol
Thinking about how for like 4 years amazon Alexa pronounced it More-oni
It took me 32 slutty Mormon years to know how to pronounce Toele correctly.
He's a disgruntled ex-Mormon, so I'm not shocked.
Any time I see Saber do a religious video, I just love to see how outrageous it gets.
You hit so close to home with this one. Being a Fundamental Baptist in my youth and early adulthood, Ed Decker and Dave Hunt were a huge source of my reading material. I feel so tickled you reviewed this film.
Did you hear what saberspark said about them and what they produced? I'm not so sure you should be proudly claiming them as playing a significant part of your formative years.
I wonder when that clarification was made by the church, because as someone who grew up Mormon, I actually WAS taught that we'd have our own planets. Like it was a regular thing we were told all the time. And that only the highest best Mormons could own planets, while if you sin too much, you'd just never be able to in the after life. I just remember that being drilled in my head quite a bit as a kid.
Where did they get the "everyone gets their own dimension" idea? I grew up Catholic so we were both on a completely different spectrum. Like what did they use to justify it? Ancient manuscripts or made-up dogma?
I was also taught that... like last week lol. I guess it depends on how extreme it is in your area
That is so weird.
My understanding is that the Church teaches to not focus on that because if you are, your heart isn't in the right place. Focus on becoming a better person.
@@ShinySephiroth1 Yeah but if you teach the world part to kids, they're not exactly going to care about the other part most of the time, they're just gonna be like omg my own solar system
Two extremist religious groups pitted against each other? To borrow a quote, "Let them fight."
*Godzilla theme plays*
What's extreme about Mormons? The great property values they bring anywhere they go?
Extremist? How?
@@bernardfrogley977 You got one side that believes they're entitled to many wives, and believes in white supremacy. Then you have the other side that think gays are evil, trans people aren't Human, and low-key hates minorities.
Let them cook
Can I just say that the movie’s title, “the God Makers,” sounds like something out of a fantasy RPG?
I'm not American and everything I learn about Mormons over the years just answers more and more things about the awful choices of the Twilight franchise (the author was a Mormon) lol
We're sorry
I didn’t know that the creator was mormon but from what i’ve heard that makes sense
The problem with Twilight is she's nucking futs. Mormonism can only walk someone down that path so far, the rest is up to you to join crazy town.
Guess we can start saying any fictional religion is better than Twilight now, lol.
@@The_Darke_Lorde I thought we said everything was a better X story than Twilight.
As an ex-mormon, I have very mixed feelings about this. It really is bizarre enough without all the sensationalism
Anyway, they technically do still practice “polygamy” to an extent… an “eternal polygamy”. If a man’s wife dies, he can remarry while still being sealed to her and still be sealed to his new wife (“sealing” being a part of mormon marriage ceremonies that binds a couple for eternity). If I recall correctly, a woman cannot be sealed to several husbands but a man can be sealed to several wives.
It’s also suggested that there was some polyandry in the very early days but that’s a whole other terrible and coercive can of worms
What you said about the women not being able to remarry (I think that’s what you’re trying to say, at least) is incorrect btw
@@JohnAdams_NotQuincyfrom my understanding of what he said, he’s talking about who you will be married to in the afterlife.
@@JohnAdams_NotQuincyIt’s weird and complicated, but here’s the short version: if Bob and Jane get a temple marriage and then later divorced, while they are no longer legally married, the church still considers them married in the afterlife. Bob can then get married again in the temple to another woman, in which case he would be married to both women in the afterlife. If Jane decides to get remarried, she has to petition the First Presidency of the church to nullify her temple marriage to Bob and Bob also has to sign paperwork saying he agrees to it. She is only allowed to be temple married to one man and divorce alone doesn’t nullify it. She could get a marriage outside the church, but in the LDS church’s eyes, she will only be married to Bob in the afterlife unless she goes through the process to get the temple marriage nullified (even if she was legally divorced).
Now if Bob and Jane get temple married and then Bob dies, Jane can’t get temple married again. If Jane dies, Bob can get temple married again and would be married to both women in the afterlife.
I can sources this for you from the official handbook of the church if you don’t believe me. It’s in book 1 (the blue book) that only bishops and up get, but you can find it online.
Edit: Jane can get a civil marriage if Bob dies, but she cannot be temple married (ie married in the afterlife) to more than one man. If Bob dies and she decides she’d rather be married in the afterlife to her second husband, I don’t believe she has a way to nullify her temple marriage with the deceased Bob. You may be able to petition the First Presidency on that one, but then it’s literally up to their decision and I don’t believe it would normally be allowed without some special circumstances. I don’t know the current policy on that particular instance.
I asked my parents as a kid if Joseph Smith was a prophet and practiced polygamy, why don't we know the names of any of his wives? why don't we hear about them? what were all their stories? they were like... he didn't have more than one wife! a lot of Mormons aren't taught about Joseph Smith's plural marriage practice because it's a fucking mess
it's a whole can of worms because if you look into Joseph Smith's fucking around even a little bit, it's basically a soap opera. there's a reason why it's basically not talked about, they couldn't get away with talking about it very openly without having to address all kinds of things that are very hard to defend morally. marrying very young girls, marrying women who still had living husbands that had been sent away on missions, marrying in secret even from church members, essentially being caught cheating which really upset Emma, and on and on...
it's pretty insane how much they keep a lid on that stuff. I Don't think I ever heard the name of a single wife of his in church, except Emma Smith. I think that's why my folks didn't think he married anyone else. I bet there are a lot of Mormons who think that. they really do a lot to suppress information that's inconvenient and shame people for asking questions in those directions
I don't think they get sealed to their new spouse- my grandmother remarried after her first husband died, and she remained sealed to him and not sealed to her new husband. He had also lost his first wife, and was not sealed to my grandmother when they got married.
I was raised mormon! Exmo now, but something important to keep in mind is that there are lots of doctrine that have changed and in some cases the church will deny that they were ever part of the doctrine (but if you look up historical records you can find things like Brigham Young promoting the Adam-God doctrine, etc). So there's a lot of stuff in this video that aren't part of current Mormon doctrine but previously were. As far as the dark skinned stuff goes, growing up I was taught black people had dark skin because of the curse of cain, not because of premortal stuff. Now the church denies that ever being doctrine.
I think part of the concern is how "doctrine" is defined. for those who only count teachings found in actual LDS Church publications, it is a much smaller list than for those who count everything people "remembered" overhearing from a General Authority when they were a child.
Take the Adam-God Theory you mentioned. The only records of Brigham Young teaching it are from second and third hand sources published by an independent press, all from the last five years of his life. And many of those sources actually disagree with each other. John Taylor, who was the next President of the LDS Church, denounced the theory, insisting that Brigham Young was misunderstood.
So why did so many Mormons believe teachings that were published outside of the LDS Church even though all subsequent LDS Presidents rejected it?
The same is true concerning ideas of pre-existence worthiness. Never published in official sources. Yet became a very popular tradition. People will point to books like "Mormon Doctrine" or "Doctrines of Salvation", and ignore both were published through Bookcraft Press, not the LDS Church or even Deseret Press.
I am sure individuals taught all sorts of traditions in Sunday School, since the LDS Church has a lay ministry no teacher or leader is actually trained. It seems a logically conclusion that what doctrines were taught in Sunday School must come from the official manuals provided by the institution. Many of these so called "changes in doctrine" are more a recognition that out of print third party published books are just not a good source of official information.
If one considers all folk traditions passed down by word of mouth as doctrine, then it can get very complicated.
@@brettmajeske3525 The problem is that this sort of “no true Scotsman”-ing of the doctrine means the church can say whatever it wants without having to be accountable for it. By extension, the members aren’t required to be accountable for their beliefs, either, nor how those beliefs affect others.
A modern example is the church’s stance on homosexuality. Right now, closeted and out LGBT youth in Utah are self-harming at an unconscionable rate. The church teaches that homosexuality is wrong, and a sin. Not only is engaging in homosexual relations an excommunicatable offense, but you can lose your temple recommend for ASSOCIATING with pro-LGBT organizations. The church is so sure of themselves that they are letting kids die for it.
Yet, let’s do a thought experiment. If ten years from now the church declared that practicing homosexuals could now be members in good standing, what would the apologist line be?
It was never doctrinal, it was just a necessary policy.
The Proclamation on the Family is intended to protect traditional marriage, not exclude non-traditional unions
The extensive list of general authorities who spoke out against it were speaking as men, doing the best they could with limited light and knowledge.
And while LGBT issues are the most pressing issue, there are tons of others. Women and the Priesthood, abortion, and clergy-counseling for sexual transgressions, to name a few. I’m not saying the church WILL walk these back. I’m saying it COULD, with little accountability.
@@brettmajeske3525how do mormons accept the fact Joseph Smith was a thieving pedophile? His "gold digs" and dozens of wives, some as young as 14 being a recorded fact, recorded by his own blood even?? It must be very difficult to have faith in a child rapist, very strong people
The curse of Black skin as descendants of Cain is 100% true and was taught by Mormons in the 1970's.
@@brettmajeske3525 I'm still a member, but I just wanted to thank you both for addressing this with care and good reasoning. It's really nice to see.
And it's definitely something I've seen in more than just my religion, but where popular theories and ideas can be conflated with actual doctrine, even when they're not.
There's definitely some outdated ideas that the church has taken care to update.
Not saying we didn't have a messy past, there's definitely some very backwards thinking ideas if you look in the history, which is why I think it's so important to learn from history, but put focus on the present. Are we doing better than before? I hope so.
I grew up in the faith with negative things taught unto me from a small town in Utah where frankly they don't see much people. When I left Utah I left the church to try and experience the outside world, and came back to it in a different lense. For me I've come to the conclusion whether there is a god or not, I do want to be kind to people, let them know they're welcome, and treat everyone with the respect needed. I do not bash other religions but I understand the hatred and pain people who left the LDS church have in their hearts. I enjoy many parts of what the doctrine teaches but just like you said, people can use the religion for good or bad. I appreciate what you said and stayed in a neutral stance. Many people will use their religion to hurt others and it always boiled my blood because why would god want you to be so cruel to others? Never made sense to me. To clarify, I'm not super religious, I just study at home.
Mormon from Indiana here. Glad you cherish the good aspects of the faith of your childhood. The LDS Church does have its good, bad, and ugly.
I'm the exact same! Grew up in extremely catholic family and I have a lot of trauma from it, and left when I finally become a legal adult. It was so much fear mongering. It felt like swinging hammers of judgment more than a community of love. I admire people who find purpose in their life through religion, and I think that as long as people do their best to be kind from the heart, they'll have something good await them in the afterlife no matter what they did/didn't believe in.
@@vglycorpse agree
Not going to respect a cult that needs to be banned like scientology. They also need to be banned from controlling Utah's government if we can't get them labeled a cult by the government like they should be
I was raised in the church and like you, lived in a small town in Utah. But something you said is a little troublesome to me. I do not need a religion or belief system to be kind to people or to be welcoming. That has to do with the individual and the friends they keep. I’m now an atheist, but I’m in a lov8ng monogamous relationship, love my dogs, donate to humanitarian organizations such as OxFam (no religious agenda), pay my taxes, and will gladly be friendly with friendly people. There is no need for religion for any of that.
Christopher Hitchens use to put forth a challenge; name one good act that can ONLY be done by a believer and NOT by a nonbeliever. Please think on that a little.
Cheers.
For anyone looking for nephi 5:21 and finding the wrong scripture, I believe Saberspark meant 2nd Nephi 5:21, and 2nd Nephi 30:6 (there's four different books of Nephi). At least, that's where I found them. Thanks for the great unbiased video Saberspark!
From two different people named Nephi no less. The first Nephi follows the exodus from Jerusalem and the fragmentation of the original group. The other Nephi follows the time period immediately preceding and succeeding Christ's resurrection/visitation.
As great as south park is, I don't know that I'd call it the "perfect depiction." That being said, as a "Mormon" I do appreciate your mostly objective look at this. I could nit-pick of course, but overall I think you did it justice. Thanks and keep up the good work. I love your reviews. If your interested in some silly "Mormon" cartoons, there were some cartoons based on the Book of Mormon stories. They were produced by the church I think, though I'm not sure where you would find them.
Yes. I remember those. I think it was Living Scriptures.
There is an official LDS UA-cam channel that animates lessons from the bible and book of mormon. I watch them every week in class. At the end of them it shows the old animation so if I can find it I will share the name.
tell me when u get ur planet bro i would wanna take some pics with it
I feel like a lot of these comments are missing the fact that Saber said this was an anti Mormon film- they did not make this-
Thank you.
Maybe the the title of the video shouldve reflected that. Banned *Anti* Mormon Cartoon That Went Too Far
I've shown this to so many people over the years, this cartoon was insane.
NOPE MATEY ARGH WALK THE PLANK
It's also grossly inaccurate from a man who hates the Church so much, he didn't mind putting his son's life on the line when the son was on a mission in Chile when he stated that missionaries were CIA spooks.
Same. It’s literally so funny
I’m a BYU student and actually took a Church History class from JB Haws! We talked about the Godmakers quite a bit and studied how it impacted social views regarding the Church after people like Benson and Donny Osmond were making the church look positive in the 60s and 70s. Really interesting stuff.
Have you read the Journal of Discourses or the BoM 1830 edition to check out the changes?
@@ServusChristiPaulusThe Journal of Discourses consists of 26 volumes published over 32 years. Have you read the entire collection?
@@guidadiehl9176 No,hopefully one day,Id like to have all the 26 volumes, such a treasure to battle Mormonism and why FLDS church calls present LDS church an apostate church and calls them to repentance, they are the true Mormon church as presented by early Mormonism , Im reading the book of Mormon present edition atm , I like this verse a lot from Jacob 1:15 And now it came to pass that the people of Nephi, under the reign of the second king, began to grow hard in their hearts, and indulge themselves somewhat in WICKED PRACTICES , such as like unto David of old desiring many wives and bconcubines, and also Solomon, his son.
27 Wherefore, my brethren, hear me, and hearken to the word of the Lord: For there shall not any man among you have save it be bone wife; and concubines he shall have none;
28 For I, the Lord God, delight in the chastity of women. And WHOREDOMS are an abomination before me; thus saith the Lord of Hosts.
According to their own book Joseph was a wicked whoremonger like the rest of the 5 president's following him. Amazing book
while I'm not Mormon or that into Christianity, I do remember the racism teaching being a known part of Mormon teaching especially when it came to Stephanie Meyer (author of Twilight) and her comments about vampires not being able to have dark skin and her portrayal of indigenous characters in Twilight. It was a whole thing too. So seeing the implications of the Natives and Black people literally fits to those claims (still very ironic for them to call that out when your own belief weren't using christianity to justify slavery...). This of course, is still a specific person and not a general claim.
Yeah, we don't believe that.
There's historical backing to the claims that we believe that mostly because a few notable people decided to push personal theories about the mistake that was the priesthood restriction.
I'm glad that the church is making efforts to course correct now but there is a lot of work to be done before it leave the culture sadly.
We're sorry about her. We have no idea what happened there. She doesn't represent us or our beliefs.
To be honest, much of the Church's racist past oddly enough came from Brigham Young's attempts to try to make America see that Mormons were white people. Joseph Smith, while he did oppose interracial marriage, never banned African Americans from receiving the Priesthood and was moderately abolitionist to some degree. This caught a lot of flack with other white people at the time, hence why Brigham Young started adopting racist ideas from Southern Protestants like the "Curse of Cain." I actually just finished a book on this topic from University of Utah History professor W. Paul Reeve called "Religion of a Different Color." It does a great job in illustrating how racism hurt early Latter-day Saints while also showing how the Church's pursuit of whiteness gave us the racist baggage Latter-day Saints are still trying to reconcile today. I would definitely recommend it to anyone who wants to learn more.
That reminds me, didn't the Osmonds talk about the Mormon racism controversy too?
Nothing sells better to “Evangelicals” than media that proclaims they’re “persecuted”. If can denigrate a competing religion so much the better.
I don’t think this video is about Evangelicals
@@IzzyMoonbow648 The makers of “The Godmakers” produced it to sell to an evangelical audience. It wasn’t made for a Mormon/LDS audience.
@@kaboombox1581 ohhhh sorry lol
I was wondering is Saber was ever going to realize he had fallen into a christian right-wing propaganda rabbit hole with that production company, Jeramiah Films. These films have an obvious agenda.
I'm confused by your comment, but if your saying Mormons weren't persecuted, note that it was legal to kill them in the state of Missouri until the mid 1970's.
Was raised mormon, but tbh I never heard of this film.
The teachings in this film are deff close enough. The testimony part was deff a recall of my terrible experiences even as a kid.
I was vaguely aware of the book and the film but it had lost its impact for our generation (gen-x).
Richard Abanes' "One Nation Under Gods" was more salient to us, and still holds up in my opinion. Also we had Bagley's book on the Mountain Meadows, maybe "Devil's Gate" about the handcart-migration which led to even more deaths this time LDS.
Fawn Brodie, "No Man Knows My History" wins the prize for most-ironic title given that it was written by a woman :^D
Nah mate, this is a giant strawman. Hilarious, but wildly disingenuous. Hilarious nonetheless though
The Mormon religion is one of the more "out there" when it comes to their beliefs and, uh, mythology I guess you could call it. When it comes to the controversy I feel like there's a lot of finger pointing and half-truths on both sides.
I grew up in a predominantly Mormon community, and while I felt like a bit of an outcast at times, the overall vibe I got from them was they're a bit religiously finatical but mostly decent people.
Anyway, the vibes I get from this film feel almost spiteful at times, and that's usually a big red flag to take it with a grain of salt. I'm a live-and-let-live kind of guy and don't like it when people try to stir up contention just because they don't like the way others do things.
I’m an ex Mormon and I have to say, a lot of the stuff depicted is pretty accurate, but outdated. It’s stuff my parents and grandparents were taught, but had been washed out by the time I wound up in Sunday School. However, I was actually told by a leader that I (or rather my heavenly husband) would get my own planet 🤣. I think that was just his personal belief because I didn’t here it often. That part of mormonism, at least when I was in the church, was always super vague, and everyone had a slightly different idea 😂. We were mostly taught to love your family/neighbor and all that jazz. Also the Roman soldiers fighting Native Americans? Yup, 100% in the BOM. Along with horses and I believe elephants too 🤣
I have read the whole Book of Mormon and I do not remember the part about Romans fighting Native Americans?? Where is that lol
@@IzzyMoonbow648 Pretty sure shes joking there lol
okay this is wild to me, seeing multiple people in the comments say that "getting your own planet" isn't taught often or at all, but I heard it an INSANE amount of times growing up. from so many different teachers. I thought it was common knowledge.
Makes sense, given it's 40 years old and being told by an different group trying to depict them poorly.
lol what are you talking about
I accidentally skipped a bit of the video and first thing I hear was "Religous pornography" 😭😭
I’m sad that we have to wait longer for the Jehovah video but Saber has never let us down before and when the video comes out it will be glorious proving that good things are always worth waiting for.
As a JW I'm really looking forward to it
@@SSantanapng You know JW is a cult right? I hope you're not shunning family that left the church
@@SSantanapngwhat did they witness?
@@theironrubberduck we didn't witness anything. It's from the scriptures of what God named his followers.
@@SSantanapngI'm a JW but i feel i might skip it because i have a feeling it'll probably it'll probably just be slandering us but if I'm wrong I'll gladly give it a watch
It says something when Trey Parker and Matt Stone, outspoken atheists who take a jab at anything and everything related to religion, have a more balanced and even positive take on the absurdity of Mormon beliefs than JF. They could at least say “hey, these beliefs are weird, but as long as the people themselves aren’t psychos and are genuinely good people, it doesn’t matter.” JF just went for the throat and treated the criticism of the Mormon faith as fact. No mention of the various communities that are legitimately cult like, just the beliefs themselves.
Idk, as a former Catholic, it always baffles me how different denominations tend to canabalize each other despite sharing similar beliefs, even if Latter-Day Saints tend to have more differing views than your average Christian
They're former members as well! Pretty solid dudes tbh
idk if the "its ok if theyre nice" take is a good one, personally, cuz like...those nice people still shun those who dont abide by their beliefs after intentionally making sure theyll have no one to turn to on the outside. but i agree that its weird to go this overboard when the truth is already bad enough.
It’s about money. Abrahamic religion in the U.S. doesn’t like competition for people’s wallets.
Matt stone the competitive eater??
They're not the target of those teachings. So it's easy for them to consider them nice.
I dated an asian woman who said as a child they were taught this allegory: (paraphrasing)
God had an oven in which He was to bake humankind. The first batch he burned (black people) and were thus rejected by Him. The second, trying to learn from His first "mistake" he undercooked (white people) and were also rejected by God in their imperfection. The last batch he cooked to a golden brown perfection (Asian people) and were beloved for it.
I do not know how widespread this was taught in her culture but I got this story from her (I'm white) Ironically she always, for some reason proclaimed she wasn't attracted to nor would ever date Asian men...
This was not intended to bash Asian people in any way, but do not think that the belief in ethnic rejection from God has ever been exclusive to white people- I would bet that every ethnicity and most nations thereof have the belief and stories/folk tales/allegories that they are superior in some way...
Hi saberspark, I was scrolling in Disney plus and came across the most unsettling fever dream Italian short film I have ever seen. It’s called Destino and my sister and I were actually terrified and confused watching it??! I would love to see you talk about it because it is INSANE. I had never heard anything about it ever, and my sister was genuinely scared watching it. Destino for some reason doesn’t even look like it is from Disney, so I was confused and surprised when it said it in the credits. The old fashioned Italian music playing in the short just adds to the weirdness. It is truly utterly bizarre. I think it’s very creepy and you should make a video on it! I love your videos I’ve been a fan for years!
It was a cooperation between their studio and Salavdor Dali. It's a gorgeous animated exploration of his style and favorite themes.
You made me feel so old this was a pretty known short when I was a teen even that was quite hard to watch it.
Try looking up Salvador Dali paintings and you can get what they were going for with this short, also these types of project wasn't uncommon for Disney, the old owner, but these projects rarely made money, like Fantasia, so are quite hard to find in the library.
Hahaha I suppose it could seem a bit scary due to its surreal art style ^^
Destino was a film made in collaboration with an abstract artist Salvador Dali, who made really weird and surreal - almost dream-like paintings. The short film is actually a love story between the man Chronos, who was actually the personification of time (shown by the clock he was a part of at the beginning, and a mortal woman (the dancer you see throughout the film). In my opinion, it is a beautiful rendition of the original artwork that Dali would often make. It’s a weird and very different, yet beautiful love story with abstract visuals and ideas.
Destino in particular is interesting because it was actually started (storyboarded) in 1945 and wasn’t released until 2003 - over half a century later.
I greatly suggest you and your sister go rewatch the short sometime - just keep in mind what the original art inspiration was, and you might find yourself enjoying the film a bit more the second time ^^
As a former JW, I laughed so hard when I saw that cartoon on here.
As a JW I'm super excited for that vid
@@SSantanapngr u PIMI or PIMO
@@cubonefan3 I'm a Testigo De Jehová thru and thru ✌️ spanish congregation
@@SSantanapng You should stop being part of a cult that denies children blood tranfusions.
@@SSantanapng Hope you can get out soon man, believing the world's ending is not good for the psyche.
I was raised in the LDS church, and I wouldn’t necessarily say I left. I simply just stopped going. I wasn’t treated any different or shunned by members or my family. Maybe it was just the place I was taught at but it mostly was just “be a good and moral person.” While I was still a member I did participate in some temple practices like baptisms for the dead, and even now it doesn’t seem particularly strange. I think a lot of the church’s activities, at least at the individual to community level, comes from a genuine desire to help others. And I won’t deny there are issues historically.
Probably the most reasonable take in this comments section. A lot of the other people here seem to really want to bash the religion and disrespect the members.
@@pip5528 because this person's experience is atypical, not normal. Most people that have families that are true believers will experience a fallen status in the family, if not outright shunning.
Yes! I was born a Mormon, I still attend church. This is how it is.
The crazy-mormon-horror stories I highly doubt to be true. If they are, then being Mormon isn't why people act out.
@crapgoeshere
No... I'm also Mormon and in all my years I've never seen shunning. The church teaches acceptance. Everyone is honestly too nice.
I am a black sheep. I am transgender. I am an alcoholic. I smoke marijuana. I had sex at 14. The church never shunned me. They embraced me with open arms. When I was in drug rehab, I was sent many get well soon cards from everybody in the ward.
Every summer there is a program called For Strength of Youth. I was reluctant to go, but I went. It was very cheesy, but I was happy to see the diversity.
I looked around. I saw people of all colors and shapes. People openly wearing pride flags, and gay couples at the dances.
I don't mention that I'm trans hardly ever. But I feel it is appropriate to do so because when I told my bishop I wanted to be a boy, I was not shunned. I was placed into young mens.
They don't care what you are. Just be a good person. That's what Mormons value.
@@inoscopedjfk09I often consider many of those stories to be results of inner church microcultures that spring up. Just because someone knows something is true doesn't mean they'll actually listen to what it has to say, unfortunately. Social shunning, for example, happens within our church, but it occurs on a case by case basis and is outright condemned by church doctrine as a whole because it runs contrary to the love your neighbor philosophy that is taught.
In regards to this, I would even further argue that people who call us cults are incorrect in their assumption. Especially where I live, I've never been under the impression that Mormonism is particularly different from anyone else, the youth groups host fun activities that anyone can attend, the leadership is responsible but welcoming, and the so called "secret" rituals and covenants spoken by many non-members are not taboo. Even though only members can participate, nothing is stopping me from explaining to a close friend exactly how they work, why they're carried out, and what their purpose is. It's not really something anyone thinks about, I'm not any different from my peers other than me being Mormon, I like anime, Bionicle, video games, and the like, the church doesn't label me as wayward just because I have a life outside the church, it's just a way of life. I'm not a member of a cult, I'm just a religious person who might think differently than someone else.
One more thing, we do not get "our own planet" if we're good. That is extremely reductive and based on only a small part of our doctrine. The church teaches that we are granted all that God has, meaning that we are given his capacity for creation as well as rulership. So, in essence, we get a lot more than a ruling planet, we become Gods like unto him. We don't get our own planet, we get much, much more.
As a former member, I can enthusiastically say that this is one of the best critical examinations of the church since South Park’s “All About Mormons”. Excellent work. You researched this way beyond my expectations. One of your best videos yet. Seeing this kind of content from one of my favorite creators be handled so careful yet critical is truly a testament to why your videos are so loved. Thank you ❤
Agree!
Don't forget that one of South Park creators made the Book Of Mormon play
@@rangertalksdogsgames7996so does that play make fun of mormans too?
I've never seen it, I just know it
Johnny Harris has a pretty good examination of mostly the historical beginnings of the church and the general feelings of the times it was created in up until Joseph Smiths murder with a second video to come going over the church's history after his death. His videos are edited and made super professionally and his perspective is of someone who grew up mormon and traveled central and south america as a missionary who fully believed in the church doctrine at the time. Very interesting video if your interested in more after this video.
Thanks for reminding me of the classic rap jam "Can't touch Mormon Jesus"
“Oh my god Mormonism is weird!”
and thank *you* for reminding me of rappin' for jesus 😭
(music plays)
MORMON JESUS
(music plays)
MORMON JESUS
JOSEPH SMITH
*shows Lucifer dancing epically*
The black skin legend was the most blatant and probably first issue I had with the LDS church. It fractured my faith and led to me straying from the church into Agnosticism. The "we can all become gods" teaching also discomfited me. It was sad though, because I really loved the LDS church as a community.
LDS church was full off the nicest and most community driven people. They helped eachother (and my mother and us kids) a lot. Sounds like we dodged a bullet by being lazy and not going to church regularly.
Edit: because people can't read the last sentence, im saying its a good thing i got out. You morons have 2nd grade reading comprehension.
The darker skin could've caused by the genetic corruptions of Noah's generation. But the worst genetic corruptions were always mixtures of angels and humans.
Got to explain why "be can become gods" discomforts you?
I don't understand why that of all things would cause unease. To me its pretty mundane, especially considering other beliefs.
To give context, I wouldn't say I ever really believed, just came to that realization when I was 9 or 10. For me the idea of "becoming gods" is frankly within the realms of possibility of us with real science. Hell, we could absolutely drop down on a bronze age civilization right now and make a strong and legitimate claim to be gods. Sure, maybe not their creator, but beings of power so far beyond the knowledge of that civilization that the difference is moot to them. We could heal, raise them up, alter the climate, or wipe them out at a whim.
Before someone points out the pedantic difference between magic and science; and gods vs beings "pretending" to be gods.
Magic once explained becomes science, or is disproven entirely.
The magicians of old used magic like making a Tea from the Asprin plant to ease suffering and help with heart problems. They've done it for at least 2000 years, and likely humans have been chewing Asprin plants since before banging rocks together was the new hotness. Sure the incantations to make the tea aren't necessary, neither is the user manual for running a nuclear power plant... just a really good idea that might not be as well understood in 5 or 6 centuries.
My personal view that I've cultivated through my experiences during my 37 years of life is that every religion has both positive and negative aspects.
@@julo514they shun people for leaving the church, cause PTSD and anxiety, and don't even get me started on the priests
As an exmormon, I recommend you look into the absurdity that is "The Living Scriptures" animated series. If I recall correctly, it's made by the same studio that made The Swan Princess
Yep. Swan Princess was massively popular among Mormons because of the connection. I even think it was advertised in some of the Living Scripture VHS’s.
I mentioned this on another comment, but just in case Saber reads this comment and not the other one, these might be hard to find because I don’t know if they ever got transferred to DVD. The church used to endorse these kinds of projects but then later started to discourage anything the didn’t directly produce (perhaps even in response to the God Makers).
I’m fairly certain however, that there’s a whole box of these on VHS in my parents attic. If you read this, Saber, and are interested, let me know and I’ll see if I can track them down.
Living scriptures has an app you can watch all of them so there not exactly rare. I met the guy who produced all that stuff and he is a legend, I wasn't really into swan princess as a kid but I spent a stupid amount if money on original frames from that movie just to have a piece of his legacy
Yep, but I did like watching them as a kid.
I grew up in a Mormon town in Utah and they're so toxic behind your back xD Every now and then some ridiculous story would get back to me and not just from obnoxious kids but grown adults. I moved away as soon as I got my diploma and to this day I still get rumors that I've been in prison for drugs and dealing since before graduation. I don't do drugs or anything, but I cannot say the same for 90% of their precious angelic kids lmao
Science and education really scares the older generation and they'll try anything to suppress it. I think that's the worst part.
Earlier this year the Arizona supreme court made a religious exemption that LDS don't have to reveal/expose child predators in their church.
Yeah it's honestly weird seeing the many oblivious comments here.
I grew up around a lot of Mormons and let me tell you, they were the worst people I knew. Their niceness is quite a facade.
I also know ex-mormons and they can confirm that many people in there are real fucked.
(The same goes for Evangelicals of course. I was once one of them and saw behind the facade at church)
My older bro just left the church, and my family plans to keep it under wraps. We are still members, but not from Utah originally. The culture here is insane.
And yeah the religion has issues, we can agree on that too. Probably not a great place to get into all the issues (plus I’m also stuck until I get a degree, you’d know what that means probably). But anyways, yeah people are insane here.
What the fuck did you say about not having to expose pedos. Holy fuck.
Arizona did WHAT. I'm LDS and I do not want that. please do not connect that with me, or the good people in my church.
@@worldssmallestdestron7819 mhm, dont want to get heat for perverts wanting to groom young girls for perverted "priests"?
When you were talking about how bad it was I was like "oh it can't be all that bad it's a religious cartoon sure it might be weird and cursed but how bad could it be?" then my ass got hit with that "those who stayed neutral... " line and shut right up.
Thank you EverythingIsTerrible for introducing me to this infamous gem.
WHOS THAT MATEY
@@NigerianCrusadera UA-camr, me hearty!
@@B1gBoyPants THANKS MATEY
So the filmmakers controversy can more or less be summed up a "You aren't wrong, you're just an asshole."
Looks like
Admittedly, I'm annoyed by all the Mormons insisting "none of that ever happened"
This. Exactly this.
Yeah just seems like history that the religion is embarrassed of and wants to sweep under the rug.
@@SabertoothedTiger69 A lot of them are admitting that a lot of the stuff was and still is actually taught in Sunday School.
I SAID BASICALLY THE SAME THING BEFORE I READ YOUR COMMENT
My favorite part was unironically when Saberspark said "It's Mormon Time" and Lucifer transformed into the Devil in response.
0:52 I LAUGH every time I watch this because this was the medieval explanation for faefolk, elves, and all other mythical beings. I'M MAGICAL,YA'LL! 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Honestly, God bless everyone's day.
Ex Mormon here! There’s a lot of Mormon cartoons out there that were produced by the Mormon church in the 70s, 80s and early 90s.
I remember watching the ones about nephi and alma as a kid.
They’re all out there, somewhere, lurking in someone’s VHS collection!
I think one of them actually became a meme. "You've come. I mean, I knew you would come, but... you've come." "I have. Come."
Pretty sure those are still sold under the "Living Scriptures" brand
@@MorgenPeschke yes they are Living Scriptures I remember watching them years ago. Some were so bad.
Living Scriptures videos were a company of their own, the church did not make them. They're kind of interesting though.
I knew a Mormon guy from my animation class back in college, all I have to say is that he told me that he grew up in a troubled home environment but that the teachings of Mormonism turned his life around and I consider him a true gentleman, a hardworking game developer and a good family man to this day.
Doesn't make Mormonism true.
@@jeffs4483 doesn't need to be true 🤣 if it works, it works.
I feel bad for Mormons, not about their religion or they’re rules, but the amount of slander that goes to they’re religion, it kinda needs to stop
@Meesens
I'm a Mormon. I honestly agree. All of the horror stories seem unreal to me.
I am part of Louisville Third ward. It's very accepting and if you can find information on us I think its a good representation of true mormons.
@jeffs4483
My Bishop says that it does not matter if your religion is true. If your beliefs are moral and you are a good person, that is enough.
Religion exists to provide guidance in this confusing life. You can be Muslim, you can be catholic, you can be jewish, you can be athiest, it does not matter as long as you are kind and virtuous.
Title: Mormon cartoon
Saberspark: actually it's an anti-Mormon cartoon
edit: just to be clear, excellent video as always. The bait-and-switch was a bit annoying though.
OH NO MATEY THATS NOT GOOD
yeahh, this is a little clickbatey, which is not something id usually expect from saber.
Eh, most people call it a Mormon cartoon, even if it is technically anti-Mormon propaganda. Saberspark is not the first person to do this.
For the longest time, the internet called it a Mormon cartoon. So for familiarity sake, I don't blame Saber for calling it as such then giving a full explanation of what it really was.
The clickbait comes from the cartoon which falsely advertises itself as a banned Mormon cartoon when in reality it’s a anti-Mormon propaganda film that was never banned. As Saber explains in the video.
The LDS church isn't "now known as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints", it has always been called that. "Mormons" is a nickname because it is the name of the prophet who it is believed compiled centuries of religious records into what would eventually become the Book of Mormon. It's like calling Protestants "King Jamesers", or Muslims "Mohammedites". It's only useful in that it's widely recognized but has never been technically correct.
Forgot President Monson's "I am a Mormon" ad campaign? I didn't.
@@jeffs4483 That doesn't contradict what I said in any way. I didn't say it was wrong to use the term Mormon, just that saying the name was changed is not correct. I even acknowledged the usefulness of the nickname. But that doesn't change the fact that it is a nickname.
@@khodexus4963
When I was a member, we gladly called ourselves Mormon. Why obsess over a name? LDS will always be called Mormons.
@@jeffs4483 No one's obsessing over a name, I'm correcting a grammatical mistake. Why are you going on about it?
@@khodexus4963
Get over it 😂👍
I remember watching Hanna and Jake talking about this video. This is a crazy video that has many divided if it’s still believable or not.
NOO MATEY NOW LERS PLAT SOME HALO 3
Jake*
Ohh! That's where I saw it, I was having the weirdest deja vu
Dude, you're a legend for using that Norm MacDonald clip from The View. That whole thing is hilarious! He also digs at Bill Cosby and reveals Hollywood knew about him all along!
I was gonna say the same thing! Norm is my favorite comedian of all time. RIP Norm.
@@B1gBoyPants I'm still hurt to this day that we lost him so early. I didn't appreciate as much as I should have when he was around.
@@ShinySephiroth1 I was a huge fan. When I found out he had passed, it was such a gut punch for me. One of the few times I have actually felt affected by a celebrity death.
@@B1gBoyPantsI was really excited that he was gearing up to revive his podcast post-lockdown... I never knew he was even sick 😢
@@noahbarnhartandit2365 I was too. People all over the news and internet were saying "I didn't even know he was sick," and it felt like the ultimate punchline for one of his most iconic jokes from the podcast.
I was really sad when he passed, but there was some humor in that. And it's cool to see that his fanbase is a strong as ever online. I still see people quoting him all over the place, and it's great.
"Judge not, lest ye be judged"
Now someone do a documentary like this for the filmmaker's Churches.
The bank?
Jokes aside there is a lot more context to that phrase.
Props to you on your research. Most people take these things pretty at face value and miss the levels of absurdity that some of the more obscure beliefs get taken to.
This studio also did one for the Jehovah's Witnesses, appropriately enough. It was pretty clear what the intended audience was when one of their most scathing points against the religion was 'They don't believe God and Jesus are the same!' There was a wonderful expectant silence to give the audience time to emit gasps of shock.
That's amazing, what's the name?
Can a son be his own father? Also, in John 6:38 Jesus said "I come not to do MY will, but the will of MY father before me." If Jesus and God were the same person, wouldn't Jesus say "I came to do MY will?" There is also the verse in John 10:30 where Jesus says "I and the Father are one." But remember that Jehovah counts as husband and wife as 1 flesh. That doesn't mean the man and woman are the same person, it means their in unity. That's why the Jehovah's Witnesses don't believe Jehovah God and Jesus are the same person.
If they did one for the JW as well, it makes me wonder if they did a film on the third big American cult as well, being Scientology.
@@paulpasadena The Trinity + appeal to mystery
@@paulpasadenaNo Christian believes Jesus and God are the same person, that’s not what the Trinity teaches
Even as blurred as the animation you have is, what I'm seeing of it looks amazing! Show Caleb and Sophia what real animation looks like!
I’m still a member of the LDS church. And I try to live by God’s 2 great commandments. Love God, and love everyone else. I also totally respect and understand people leaving and even hating this church. I wholeheartedly believe we need to acknowledge the toxic elements of things to change and improve. We’re a church founded in America during the late 1700s, and have a long history of racism, sexism, and homophobia. Every group of people have a very toxic, very vocal population, and we’re no exception. But I’m still active because I trust the doctrines, and hope to share the much more positive side of my religion.
So.....cognitive dissonance?
I believe in you! you can break free of your oppressors who want to steal your income! I made it out and so can you!
For me, the best way of learning what other people believe is asking about them
Except half the time they don't even truly understand what they believe
but will they let you know all their beliefs, especially if they know you won't like them?
Given how secretive certain groups are, they might not actually tell you the full story.
How about you guys stop asking what if and actually find out.
Jehovah's Witnesses are specifically instructed to withhold their controversial teachings for when their bible studies are "ready to accept" them.
I think this should provide a lot more context of what we actually believe just read this quote from 2nd Nephi 26:33 "and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile."
Wow. I remember this film. I was actually shown this film in a Sunday school class where they were educating us about other religions related to Christianity, although the teacher gave us a disclaimer before the film saying that they disagreed with some of the things it said about Mormons.
Had a friend in high school who was Mormon. She and her family never pushed their faith and beliefs onto me the entire time we were friends either, we would do things like hang out at her house, collab on school projects, even went to senior prom with our dates and had ourselves a double date. She and I remained friends up until we graduated and went our separate ways (I would go on to move out of my home state some years later).
I did do a little research into the LDS church in high school because despite me being agnostic at the time (I'm now a practicing Pagan) and being raised by an atheist dad and a non-practicing Lutheran mother I wanted to support my friend. I just could not get past the blatant racism the LDS church taught, and in some places still teaches. That's not even broaching their views on homophobia (I'm pan) and reproductive rights, or some of their more...eccentric customs, such as the whole "temple garment" thing, not dating til you're 16, no "foul language" of any kind, and the mandatory tithe (Mormons are obligated to donate 10% of their income to the church). I never held it against her because she was never like that as far as I could tell, she always accepted me and was always one of the kindest people I ever knew to everyone she met. I know times are changing for many places as they try to evolve in order to remain relevant, but it still forever damaged the view I held on the church.
Yet it's literally a core value of the church to force it onto others via missionaries. The problem I have with religion in general is that most people who practice it have an inherently illogical framework, as if they believe a god told them to do something, you cannot dissuade them with any logical argument.
@@hostomelhorsehoarderyep, forcing it others by way of missionary work where anyone can shut the door in their face or walk away without having to hear a word.
@@n.d.m.515 if a Satanist walked around your neighborhood talking about killing god, would you tolerate that
If pagans support homosexuality and abortion, they're worse than LDS.
@@hostomelhorsehoarderthere is a bit of a fallacy to that, based in bias. To you its illogical and they are being irrational, but if you believed God said something it would seem irrational to doubt it. If you did then you apparently don't really believe they are God. One of those perspective matters. I'm not criticizing, just pointing something out.
0:30 Seeing blurry Moses rapping in the background has me excited for the future
Current member of the LDS church here. Thank you for being nuanced while also being neutral. And I agree with your opinion. All religion has been used for good and for bad, and for any person, religious or not, to elevate themselves above another is shallow-minded and wrong. In the end, we’re all human beings, just trying to navigate this crazy thing called life. We’ll all be on different paths, and that’s alright. As long as we treat each other with love and respect, not much else matters.
As a Jew, I appreciate your perspective! At the end of the day, we all have the same G-d. The only difference is what we think he'd like us to do! Have a blessed day!
“We’ll all be on different planets??” Wait, what?!
Jk, just fellow Latter Day Saint tryna lighten the mood. ❤😂
@@Glenn1440-p1p Ima make a planet where Pokémon exist! Let’s hope there isn’t copyright enforcement!
@@theshepdawg6809when I was younger I wanted to create a planet where everyone had magic XD now I'm older and I still want to do this
@@theshepdawg6809 hahaha, good one. Oh wait, ur not serious a are u?!
Well, it wouldn’t be heaven without Pokémon, would it?
Current LDS people saying “none of this was true” need to look deeper into LDS history. I was a member for 18+ years and the majority of this video is true
I am mormon. My underwear are bullet proof. I am covered by the most holiest of underwear. I call them my "mormon mortar wear" ive survived 3 wars ive had 6 limbs amputated but my torso and legs are beautiful still
I found out about this one thanks to The Frollo Show, which has Mormon Jesus as one of the villains of its five-part finale. He kidnapped a bunch of people and used them for weird science experiments with the Wilford Brimley virus (trust me, this makes sense in context), then they broke out and T. Hawk from Street Fighter trapped him in a burrito. It’s worth a look if you’re curious.
I was raised Mormon and while I feel the creators' motives are misguided and strange, they're not completely wrong about Mormonism. It's a horrible cult.
Growing up in Utah, I can see why the Mormons hate this cartoon.
Glen A. Larson used a lot of Mormon things in the OG Battlestar Galactica.
I have a mixed, messy relationship with the Mormon religion based on how family within and without of the faith were treated (including myself).
I don't agree with villainizing Mormons, but I also have minimal trust in the Church of Latter-day Saints.
Highlights of my experience include:
My aunt, whose husband cheated on her. It became public knowledge and she was blamed. He was allowed to remarry in the Mormon Temple, which she is no longer allowed to enter as she "failed as a wife."
I was very curious about mythos and religion even as a child and got confused about a story told during my first sermon with the bulk of the church (rather than the children activities) and asked to go speak to the pastor. I wanted clarification, and earned myself and my grandmother a very scornful look. My grandmother promptly walked me away telling me: "we do not ask questions."
My father, a compulsive liar, who went to prison for possession and distribution of illegal drugs, was forgiven by the church and allowed to marry as a Mormon AFTER being excommunicated for having me in a case of statutory rape w/ my 15yo mother.
So, there is some absolute wrongness occurring, and there certainly are (at the very least) strong cult-like tendencies.
I have since had Mormon friends, but my relationship with my family is a giant wall of caution, especially since I've realized I'm demisexual and pan. I think just knowing would cause untold strain on that side of my family, and I have no intention to invite them spend the rest of their lives pitying me for my understanding of myself or berating me over how they just want the save me. I don't want to invite the hate and prejudice that I know my family has.
Yikes. I'm so sorry to hear all of that. This is why I'm not a fan of people who can't separate the culture from the doctrine. None of that is supported by scripture or gospel doctrine, but because it's part of the culture, it gets conflated to being the same thing. It's disgusting, and should not be allowed in the church.
@CesarTheKingVA No worries. It lent me a more decerning lens around group-culture and I strive to remain open to everyone regardless of their faith of differences, provided they do no harm to others or themselves.
Not a fan of that.
I'm so sorry you and family went through all that. I grew up Mormon. I'm not straight myself, I don't want to be a housewife for a man, and I ESPECIALLY don't want kids. I was treated... not very well because of these things. The Mormon church covers up so much of its old doctrine and the insane things its former leaders did. That, combined with the way many LGBT+ people and women are treated, pushed me out. It's such a cult. So I understand how you feel about not trusting the religion - I have zero trust for it either... but I still dearly love my family stuck in Mormonism. It's frustrating.
Been a Church member all my life and I really appreciate the nuance and integrity you showed with this.
As a former member, I agree with this. Saber seems to have really done his research, found the accuracies and inaccuracies of the film and addressed criticisms by people from many different view points. The film is a bad film, but Saber also didn’t let the church off the hook on legitimate issues that they should address.
I’ve seen several reactions to this and people generally take it at face value and say “Wow! Looks at how weird Mormons are!” Instead, Saber took a very critical and skeptical approach, addressed the issues around the people who made it, researched comments and reviews by outside organizations. I could nitpick a few things he got wrong or partially incorrect, but Mormonism and Mormon history is a deep, deep well that is impossible to dive into for a 37 minute video. His surface reading on the topics is good enough that I would consider this a fair and balanced take on the topic.
I agree! I’ve been afraid to comment because I’m still active in the church. But I’m glad he did his research and had his own opinion, but was still respectful.
I agree!!!
I’m an active member too. Happy to find this comment. I think he did a pretty dang good job as well! I was pretty nervous and felt like I was waiting for the other shoe to drop the whole time, but it never did. He was pretty accurate about most things he stated and obviously did good research. I honestly learned a lot. I’m terrified of anti-Mormonism since I seem to attract those crazies every state I live in! Definitely have wild stories about people who suddenly hate me because of my religion… I‘ve gotten so tired of being called a cult member. So I was scared this video would go that route. But it felt pretty fair and unbiased to me. A good middle ground almost. And I teared up a bit at his ending comments and choice of clip. I really appreciated that!
I’m an active member and agree that I’m glad he seemed to have done his research on this.
I really like what you said that the film was basically made to confirm biases of those that already had them. I also really appreciate that you used this video to show the effects and reactions of the film, instead of going over the film to agree or disagree with their statements.
You kept a pretty neutral stance, and it's nice to see, because I feel like members and non-members can both watch this to learn something.
As a member of the church, it's always a little terrifying seeing videos of this nature pop up in my feed. Online, it feels impossible to just fit in normally once people know you're Mormon. I've had way too many uncomfortable confrontations with people who come at me for it. While I can't give everyone perfect answers, I do have a few things to say to clear the air.
Polygamy isn't practiced within the church anymore, but it's practiced in an off-branch of the church called the FLDS, who live almost like the amish. They aren't a part of the actual church.
The race thing does confuse me, because in my 23 years of attending church, no one has ever taught me that. I can't say a lot about that scripture, because I haven't experienced it, and I'm a POC. Racism is directly DIScouraged by our prophet. From my experience, it's been a very inclusive church. But I'm sure there are racist individuals out there, as with any religious group. In all, the teachings of the church, as far as I've experienced it (my whole life) do not support racism. Again, I can't explain that one scripture, nobody even talks about it (unless I guess they are racist and wanna give an excuse), but I promise you they aren't encouraging people to become a bunch of white supremacists.
I agree with you. In terms of the priesthood situation, the way I had it explained was due to the social situation of the country. If it’s true it’s a depressing reason but at the end of the day it’s an issue that has now been resolved
I agree it’s a bit nerve racking seeing people that are non members talk about the church. As for the racism thin the only two things I can think of that people claim the church for being racist is in the BOM in
2 Nephi the Lamanites skin was cursed to be darker. But everyone that points to that ignore the context and later verses. Their skin was darkened to help differentiate between the Nephite’s and the Lamanite’s and not to mention throughout the BOM the tribes flip flop in whos more righteous and wicked. In 2 Nephi 26:33
“For none of these iniquities come of the Lord; for he doeth that which is good among the children of men; and he doeth nothing save it be plain unto the children of men; and he inviteth them all to come unto him and partake of his goodness; and he denieth none that come unto him, black and white, bond and free, male and female; and he remembereth the heathen; and all are alike unto God, both Jew and Gentile.”
Basically it’s saying God loves everyone no matter who or what you are.
Another thing people point at is in the early days of the church blacks weren’t allowed to receive certain callings or the Melchizedek priesthood. Now we don’t know exactly why blacks weren’t able to at the time but I think it’s important to know the time period and how blacks were thought of. The church was opposed to slavery and Brigham Young I think did have some racist views but he encouraged blacks to live with fellow members for protection and back then he was though to be progressive with how he treated blacks where they even made a cartoon with him holding hands with a bunch of different colored children.
People tend to expect a prophet or other church leaders to be perfect correct on everything but a they are still human with their own free will. To expect perfection out of any mortal man is foolish.
I’d recommend watching some Saints Unscripted videos on this subject as they go into more depth and explain things better and the video on Calyann’s experience with the Book of Mormon is also really good.
I don’t believe the church is racist at all. I think people are to quick to judge things they don’t fully understand. Again when it comes to early church leaders it’s important to know when they lived , their surroundings and what they grew up believing before the church those things don’t always just go away. One apostle if I remember correctly even recognized his fault on his views of blacks and apologized and asked others to try to change. While the church was created by God who is perfect, it is run by man which isn’t perfect.
It is important to remember the past but not live in it. You should learn from it, to make better decisions today then yesterday.
I'm glad to have found your comment and appreciate the things you said. My parents were converts and I have been a member of the church all my life. Of all my years in the church the people I attended with though not perfect NEVER encouraged polygamy, racial superiority, and/or gave any excuse to treat others as less. I do agree that no one can give a perfect answer for everything but for what its worth, what I can tell you is my parents did not fail in raising me by teaching me how to live by the example of Jesus Christ of what he taught.
I remember a story my mom told me when she was young. Sadly there was a time when POC couldn't hold the priesthood and she didn't like that and neither did other members of the church. However when the day came when it was announced that all men could hold the priesthood my mom veered off the road, got out of her car, prayed and weeped in thanks. We may not understand why these things play out the way they do and we don't understand why but I believe only in Gods own time do we understand why. It takes time but the church does move forward.
Hello everyone, I'm a life-long and still active Latter Day Saint (mormon), so i thought people might be interested to know my take.
First off Saber, great video as always. Ive always appreciated how you actually try to do your research and to present religious content in the proper context and respectfully. Thank you for extending us the same courtesy here and in your excellent Don Bluth video.
As for my take on how my beliefs were portrayed in the movie Saber reviewed, it's a propaganda film (anti in this case, but the same comments would apply to pro propaganda too), so even when it's broadly "accurate" it still has an agenda and twists, just like a pro-mormon video does, so take it with a grain of salt.
If you're curious about Mormon history and belief, I highly recommend the books written by John Turner at George Mason University: Brigham Young Pioneer Prophet, and Mormon Jesus (da-na-na-na). I believe he's also working on a Joseph Smith biography right now. He's non-mormon, but is well trained in American religious history and has a close working relationship with the Church Archives and Church History Museum, so i feel he does a good job just presenting the history and beliefs as-is without bias.
As to why I'm a Latter Day Saint, it really just boils down to that i believe the Book of Mormon is true because of the testimony it gives of Jesus Christ and it's given me a lot of comfort in hard times. I've so far had a very happy and fulfilling life, and that's really what we're all looking for, right?
Best wishes guys ❤
I am 21 now and was raised pretty actively in the Mormon church up until I was 17-18. (Stopped going after the pandemic closed the church for a while and my family just never went back)
Mormonism is always such an interesting thing for me to discuss/see discussed sometimes. I remember being so confused and completely uninterested in the teachings and beliefs in the religion ever since I was a kid (then again I was diagnosed with adhd around 13 and religious stuff has always been boring to me so that might be part of it lol) To this day I think of a very specific moment a child when I was told the line that there were sinful people that were cursed to have dark skin and that was where poc came from.
I remember seeing this back in the early days of UA-cam, but always thought it was made BY Mormons, not by people against them. This makes a lot of sense-I remember the narrator's tone of voice made it sound like he didn't believe any of this stuff at times, such as when he notes Joseph Smith was known for telling tall tales, which I thought was odd for something pro-Mormon. Now I know!
Most of what this cartoon says about Mormon beliefs seems to be accurate, though; they talk about a lot of it in LPOTL's Mormon episodes (like God darkening the skin of the indigenous people as punishment), as well as in the South Park Mormon episode, which I've heard was accurate.
Psssst, Joseph smith did tell tall tales. The entire story of the mormon church being founded is one tall tale after another.
"This cartoon must be accurate because it's just like another cartoon I saw, plus some podcasters said so."🙄
If people who get their historical knowledge from South Park episodes would extend the scope of their research just a little (i.e. to sources which aren't cartoons), they might brush up against legitimate facts, which tend to be complex, troubling, and interesting. Like the fact that Lucy Harris (the "smart smart smart smart smart" woman from the South Park episode) was actually an early 'spiritual witness' of the golden plates and one of Joseph's first financial backers, donating $28 (the equivalent of $850 today) to him to assist with the translation. Odd how South Park left that part of the story out🤔
It's just terrible to make a movie only to hate on someone
Think that's bad? Imagine an entire political party whose only goal is to hate on people.
If I make a movie to hate Apartheid or the North Korean government, does that make me terrible?
A branch of the Mormon Church that wanted to practice polygamy split off and moved to Mexico. Some of those people are relatives of Mitt Romney.
Despite your primary focus being aimed at animation and art, you communicate about politics, social issues, and religion much more naturally than any other centrist or liberal channel. It may not always be on point, but it does follow through a good basis of logic in comparison, and that you're willing to dive more into it and learn than most people would. I'm greatly looking forward to seeing the Joseph and Sophia video.
Do you mean Caleb and Sophia?
@@SlapstickGenius23 yeah, bad memory of the names.
The mormon leader's saying you don't get your own planet or universe if you were good enough in the afterlife is gaslighting. I grew up thinking about what kind of animals I would make when I get to create my own world and the leaders are trying to distance themselves from it since other denominations think it's weird.
I thought they said that people aren't supposed to focus on that stuff and focus more on just their own personal progression, though?
Yeah, I’ve been in the church all my life and have been to multiple different stakes and wards and have never been taught that. Instead, I’ve been told by many members that it’s a myth
@@JohnAdams_NotQuincywell depending on the religion that would be true within each different ones
@@JohnAdams_NotQuincy well it’s not super explicit but it was definitely a deep doctrine thing that Mormons would talk about with each other but not talk about it around new members or investigators. My family was 7th generation Mormons so we’d talk about when we could get our own worlds but other people may not have. We were also “no caffeinated soda” Mormons.
@@divine555 Are you talking about an LDS denomination?
So many former Mormons in this comment section, it's kinda depressing.
Depressed because they were Mormon?
not even a minute in and im already shocked lmao
Saber, if you're looking for content for the next month, I got two words for you:
Living Scriptures.
They were done by the same company that did Swan Princess. The series features biblical and Mormon stories, it also includes a Joseph Smith cartoon (yes, that's a thing). The company spun off into historical cartoons, as well, people like Gallileo, Louis Pasteur, Thomas Edison, Harriet Tubman, Ben Franklin and George Washington. Putting aside the theology, those cartoons were actually great for kids struggling to learn history. (I mean, they were still cartoons, but, as far as accuracy goes, they beat the hell out of Mr.Peabody, Animaniacs, or Time Squad.)
I know my memory of these is probably old and inaccurate, but I seem to recall these having a high production value for a direct to VHS release. They got some banger musical numbers, too. I would absolutely love to see Saber cover one of these. The best ones would be either the first one (Nephi crossing the ocean) or the one with the Brother of Jared. They are both going to be pretty wild for someone who has no experience with Mormonism to watch.
The history cartoons hard carried me through middle school history classes lol
@@tsk5 BOM-wise, i'd opt for the Army of Helaman, bc, Mormon or not, it's just a damn good story, especially the big speech from the boiz.
'--our mothers raised us to believe that if we believed, and held fast to the ways of God, He would not let us fall...!'
'Oh, that every child could have such a mother.'
New Testament-wise, gottuh give first place to Bread from Heaven, the vhs where Christ feeds the multitudes with loaves and fishes. Second to the harlot seeking redemption, and the story with the publican from Jericho. As for the Old Testament, first place goes to Abraham second to Joseph and third to Daniel; but there were some legitimate bangers besides those, Ruth and Esther come to mind, plus Elijah trolling the Baal priests.
People dunk on Mormons so much they ignore the fact that *they are Christians* and those parables and stories mean more to them than their "magic underwear".*
*The same "magic underwear" I had to replace from my father's corpse for his viewing; so fuck you very much, everyone who's ever sneered at his temple garments while calling anyone who poked fun at a yarmulke or a Bindy a racist. Congrats. You're a hypocrite.
@@madiz4228 same!
I just realized the perfect collab.
Saber should watch all the living Scriptures with the Rotoscopers. They're huge animation nerds, and they're all Mormons.
The CES Letter disproves Mormonism.
Yeah. Also the doctrinal topics essays.
I am so grateful South Park had a much better commentary on the faith and taught a universal lesson that could apply to anyone
that Mormon episode is wild because it IS all true, but it doesn't have a particularly good message in the end when you consider the super nice Mormons are spending millions on anti-gay political campaigns, millions they're getting from their members and illegally investing/laundering in businesses and then contributing to political campaigns. it's important to speak out about that, and that episode coming out just as the LDS church was openly working against Prop 8 seemed _pretty_ pointed on Parker and Stone's part.
I still love the Mormon history part, though. Lucy Harris smartsmartsmartsmart Martin Harris duuuuuumb was the first time I questioned my faith as a kid lol
We just gonna ignore the whole black people are cursed because our skin thing?
@@tyronechillifoot5573 they really gloss over the whole 'lamanites are actually indigenous Americans also cursed by god' thing too, I forgot about that lmao. and it totally ignored when Mormons went all super insaneo in Utah and everyone had a billion wives, and a bunch of other shit
@@elen5871 Yeah that "be nice to people" stuff can get fucked when religion is actively dragging our country backward in time. I would prefer my friends are viewed as people allowed to live, thanks Trey and Matt. We need to stop feeling responsible for entertaining bad viewpoints and worse people.
@@tyronechillifoot5573Yeah it's honestly hilarious how everyone keeps ignoring the very clear evil built into the religion.
This was a wild ride. This cartoon is so brutal and disturbing but still in a way cool. Idk i just don't get so distrubed of gore anymore
wait, it's gore?
@@Game_Hero disturbing stuff
Omg I asked this stuff growing up in the church and most people would awkwardly be like "haha oh we don't teach that anymore, don't look into it." some people though...some people still thought it should be taught...yikes. So glad I'm free from that place.
I'm in the church. I've never asked about it, but I might. As far as I know we don't believe any of this anymore and haven't for at least 50 years if we ever did.
@@inoscopedjfk09 ok? I mean... That's kinda what I said most reactions from members were lol.
@@zombieponcho Well I wouldn’t say don’t look into it. All I’m saying is that it is not taught anymore and cultures/religions can change. It is good to remember history accurately but the past is in the past and we can not change it, only learn from it.
@@zombieponcho And while I am a member, I don’t actively believe in or follow doctrine. I’m openly agnostic in the church. I stay for the community because we’re like family. I guess it depends on the area.
@@inoscopedjfk09 that's lovely, I'm glad you've found a safe place in your community.
Hey Saber, can you go over Salad Fingers, I would love your deep dive into the psychology of the character’s development and how he came to become as popular as he is now. Also I always enjoy your stuff and love how you just say what you feel instead of tryin to “choose the right words”
He did a video about it once
Quite recently, like a month ago or two
@@dvotion5819 pretty much 🤷♀️
i dont consider prince of egypt a religious movie.
that movie was made to be more of a epic biblical tale but without the ''join the church'' moral, it was not made to evangelize you, but justs give you a good time watching a good story
Religious films don't have to try to evangelize anyone, they just have to be made for and by religious people and have religious themes. One of my favorites is Stalker (1979). It doesn't try to evangelize anyone and might even not seem to be about religion to some people, but I consider it my favorite religious film.
It's based on one of the religious fairytales, so I see how it can be categorised as such.
I personally like the "Can't Touch Mormon Jesus" remix that they made of the animation in this movie.
Ahh, classic.
In 2014 I was quietly practicing paganism, spirituality, and sacred geometry in my small apartment in an urbanized area of an old city in North Carolina. I had seen the Mormon missionaries riding around on their bikes around the neighborhood but never payed them any mind. One day they had the balls to knock on my door which had a pentagram wreath secured to it as well as a bunch of hand-drawn/made charms and sigils me and my GF had made in the window. I answered the door and was asked the basic question of "Would you like to discuss Jesus?" or something. I invited them in and made some tea, and while I cant remember the details, the conversation turned into a very civil theological debate in which I challenged their belifies more than they did mine and I opened with the fact that I was raised Catholic (Y'know, the OGs of Christian faith) and had actually had a Mormon friend I was close to in my hometown growing up.
When pressed about why I "turned away from Christ" I pointed their attention to a crucifix I was gifted during Baptism hanging on my wall and I responded "Its not that I turned away from Christ. I turned away from the institution of the Church. I seek answers and meaning that followers of Christ cant provide. It is a large universe, my friends. And following solely one path leads to a road of ignorance." I even showed them the various copies of Pagan, Abrahamic, and Asiatic religious texts that I had on the bookshelf. The conversation ended with us bantering about the local Minor League baseball teams performance that season and they went on there way.
I guess they were trying to convert what they thought was a heathen, but ended up in a debate over what they were really being taught. I hope they are doing well whether or not they are still part of their church. But the whole time I was amused by the fact they're body language gave off the sense that they bit off more than they could chew.
FYI, it isn't "Now know as..." It's always been the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter day Saints. Mormons was a nickname other people gave that just became common
In fact it was originally used as an insult
My observations as someone born and raised in Utah ,I am neither Mormon nor anti-Mormon as one is believing in a fantasy and the other is wasting time fighting a fantasy. Both seem to be in it for either power and/or the bucks.😜
First off, I cannot wait for the "Caleb And Sophia" video!! Take all the time you need on it though, Saberspark :) .
Second, since you're delving into Mormonism, you oughta take a look at Richard Rich's (the man behind "The Swan Princess") series, "The Animated Book Of Mormon". He also did an animated film about Islam along with cartoons about the Bible and historical figures too. In other words, Mr. Rich is a busy man. I haven't seen much of the "Book Of Mormon" but the Bible and historical series are both pretty good (even if Judas Iscariot did get hit with "Clone Wars" Anakin worth of angst and whininess...). I was first introduced to Marie Curie and Florence Nightingale thanks to Rich's work.
As a former Mormon, this film is accurate about the historical beliefs of Mormonism, that they've backed away from, in order to be mainstream. Jeremiah Films also made an animated film just like this one about the Jehovah's Witnesses that you should check out
Ex mormon here. You did a good job with the information you had at hand, however, you went with the most readily available information you had. Mormonism is going through a "Renaissance" period, and has been for the past several years. They've been erasing a lot of the old beliefs with "clarifications". I can truthfully say that having your own world and becoming a God (capital G, that was stressed) was in fact spoken about by the prophet during general conference as recently as 2010 when i last considered myself a member.
Mormons are taught that the prophet is called by God to act as his mouthpiece on Earth. His word holds the exact same weight as Scripture and is referred to as "present day revelation".
These conferences have some pretty gross takes, tbh, and aren't as widely publicized as the written material. Pretty sure that's by design, so they can control the masses, and sweep it up when that hot take us no longer as PC.
They usually do this by touting some "new groundbreaking revelation" like they did in the 70's. Fact is, Joseph Smith actually personally baptized black men and bestowed them with the priesthood, which lost him favor in the Southern States. Look at his political record. Touted the church's inclusivity in the north, preached the benefits of slavery in the south. ANYTHING to drum up membership.
Anyways, the second prophet, Brigham Young was a disgusting racist and barred black members from the priesthood. So, rather than say that a prophet was wrong, and admit that everything a prophet says isn't gospel, the guy in the 70's received a NEW REVELATION that times had changed, and God had lifted the curse right there and then...
17:40 I do find it hilarious when other Christian denominations say The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints is non-Christian. Christ is literally the foundation of our faith and is in the title to reflect that it's His church.
Not the true Christ. The true Christ is uncreated and not the brother of lucifer. There are several differences between the Mormon faith and the Christian faith.