Just built my LCE930 in Crystal Effects Blue, really nice color. Fox 38, Fox Float X, Magura MT5,Shimano 8100 12x1 52T Rockshox Reverb dropper and Industry Nine Allow 27.5 Boost wheels. Came out to 19.96KG. Motor is quiet and customizable, as long as you get the Besst Tool and tweak the software. I would also recommend this frameset. Doesn't support a throttle and the motor doesn't engage while pedaling on a bike rack, unless on Walk mode. Just something to keep in mind. Built a Carbon Shimano EP8. Comparable in power, sound with a smaller footprint than the EP8.
Sounds like a nice build! I have been impressed with the paint colors and quality LightCarbon is supplying. They charge quite a bit for it but it appears to be worth it. Great comparison with the EP8 build.
@@sandnap Great job on your build and documenting the process. Painting the frameset is no easy task as I've built multiple bikes with subpar results. I used your build series to help with my build, so thank you for providing the extra details.
Thanks for the nice build videos. Do you know if it is possible to add a front light. Because i think your display accept it. Is there a cable to connect it in the battery ? And in your display ? Thanks
Do you remember how long you cut your steerer? and what frame you have? I pulled the trigger on the frame and looking for some deals on second hand forks
Nice! If I am not too late, install it with the bike upside down, route the dropper post cable around the motor on the non-drive side under the motor cover, and have someone hold those pesky spacers or craft a way to secure them while you put the motor in place. Oh, and also be careful putting pressure on the charge port wires, I broke mine and had to grind and re-solder them.
Great video!! I just received my LCE930 and your videos gonna help me alot during the build-up. Did you encounter any tolerance issue when mounting the shox??I did try mounting the shox and noticed there was bit of play at the bottom mount albeit my shox hardware was 22.2 but the mounting width was 22.8. Bolt was tightened by hand only, I wonder will the "play" be mitigated once I torque it up to spec?
Thanks! I didn't have a problem with the tolerance but I have heard others who have and had to use thin spacers. Here is a conversation related to this: www.emtbforums.com/threads/my-lightcarbon-lce930-build-with-bafang-m820.35012/post-497365. Good luck on your build!
Nice! That is a proven frame/motor combo. There are several colors to choose from and you can choose front, rear, or both. I went with the black pair. www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804577690212.html I also ordered some metal pads to go with it in the event that the hybrid composite pads it comes with are not effective enough. I have yet to decide since it's too muddy to ride. The pads I ordered are here: www.aliexpress.us/item/2255800530659421.html
Interesting set of videos :), glad that i found them. How was the ordering process and what was the price if i may ask? edit: saw a comment about the cost, but interested in the ordering process still
The final weight ready to ride is 43.6 lbs/19.77 kg according to my scale. It's pretty close to what I estimated it to be after adding up the weight of the individual components.
I haven't done a video specifically about the cost but I get asked about that a lot. I may make a video itemizing the cost of the build. The total cost was $3117.89 USD. A rough breakdown: Frame/Motor/Battery - $1800.73 Fork (2023 Fox 36 Performance, new closeout) - $339.99 Shock (2023 Fox Float X Performance, take-off, like new) - $180.00 Dropper post (EXO 900i) - $73.16 Brake set (IIIPro E4) - $83.32 Rotors & adapters - ~$25 Seat - $25.99 Bars - $19.99 Stem - $9.97 Groupset (SLX) - $127.37 Grips - $11.53 Wheelset (SUNringle Duroc 35) - 262.96 Pedals - $13.63 Tires (Maxxis) - $105.99 Crank arms (152mm) - $37.99
Thanks! I don't think it is overly challenging technically it just requires time, patience, and the right tools. If you are not already a member I recommend joining www.emtbforums.com/ and checking out the DIY form www.emtbforums.com/forums/diy-ebike-builds.61/. There is a lot of great advice and support available for this and several other frame up builds.
Can you tell me about the paint you used. Did you clear coat? What sanding did you need to do between coats? Also, I did an M510 build using the LCES004 frame. Frame is great, motor torque sensor seems to be a bit finicky. Cadence and applied torque to pedals seems really particular. I find on climbs I can feel the motor is sort of cutting on-off - “off duration” is about a 1/2 pedal stroke. It kind of intermittent but enough to be annoying. Finally, to remove the battery, do you have to fully remove the motor, or can you remove the two forward bolts and let the motor pivot on the rear bolt. What do you think of that design element? Does it impact winter storage, or traveling long distant on bike rack during inclement weather (rain)? Looking forward to hearing how it performs on the trails? What region on country are you - wondering about your trails.
I used Rust-Oleum Custom Laquer in Nardo Gray and Max 2K Matte Clear Coat. I lightly sanded the matte black paint it came with and didn't sand between the paint and clear coat. So far it is holding up well but it's too early to tell. On the other bike I painted recently I used the same paint and clear coat but I put down a few coats of primer first and sanded between the primer and color coat. I am more confident that it will hold up better with the primer. I really liked both the paint and clear coat, the spray pattern was good for a rattle can and the paint looks smooth. Are you able to use the Go or Go+ app or BESST tool to change the motor settings? I am able to use Go+ and I dropped the startup angle down and increased the acceleration a bit. I also changed the assist power levels. Have you tried changing the settings on the M510? I haven't tried leaving the rear motor bolt and tilting the motor down but I would be surprised if it tilted down far enough. There isn't a lot of clearance at the rear side of the motor. I hope I don't have to remove the battery very often, mounting the motor is a bit of a pain. I uploaded my inaugural ride video last week, I am not sure if you had a chance to watch it. I live in Utah, the south end of the Salt Lake valley. I have rocky technical single track trails within two blocks of my house and some smoother single track trails within 3 miles. We have just about every kind of terrain you can imagine around here. There will be more ride videos to come! How about you? What kind of trails do you ride with your LCES004?
I originally had the V1 display which did not support Go+. By the time my order for the V2 arrived along with the Besst tool my 2.5 month stay in Colorado was coming to an end, so I never fiddled with motor settings. I bought the devices to address the on-off I mentioned. Something for this coming season. I did a mullet build so bike amazing on CO downhill. It’s a tad long for tight uphill switchbacks, but it really excels on techie uphills climbing. All-in-all the frame is “great” and the motor is “good”. Perhaps with a little tweaking of motor settings, it too will be “great”. Bafang seems to improve the firmware and supporting software with each release - I was first gen on the M510. I painted using methods learned on Etoe channel. A bit of a production so I was intrigued by your seemingly easier approach. I did watch your ride video - the cameras make everything look flat and tame, but when I saw snow capped peaks I assumed it was anything but tame! Who did you buy the motor and battery from? Landed cost?
That trail is pretty tame, more of a flow trail with a few baby jumps but with mountains to the east and west of me I have a lot of variety from flow to technical and some great jump line options in Corner Canyon all within 30 minutes of my house. Probably similar to the options you had in CO. I bought the frame/motor/battery from Changzhou Fieldbikes on Alibaba. The motor kit including the DPC-245 display, BF 410WH 43V battery, and wiring was $908 and the total combined shipping for the frame kit and motor kit was $120 and there was a "Logistics Premium" charge of $35. Total frame & motor kit combined price $1738 to my door which to me is a bargain considering the cost of a full carbon frame alone from the big brands is significantly more than that.
Just built my LCE930 in Crystal Effects Blue, really nice color. Fox 38, Fox Float X, Magura MT5,Shimano 8100 12x1 52T Rockshox Reverb dropper and Industry Nine Allow 27.5 Boost wheels. Came out to 19.96KG. Motor is quiet and customizable, as long as you get the Besst Tool and tweak the software. I would also recommend this frameset. Doesn't support a throttle and the motor doesn't engage while pedaling on a bike rack, unless on Walk mode. Just something to keep in mind. Built a Carbon Shimano EP8. Comparable in power, sound with a smaller footprint than the EP8.
Sounds like a nice build! I have been impressed with the paint colors and quality LightCarbon is supplying. They charge quite a bit for it but it appears to be worth it. Great comparison with the EP8 build.
@@sandnap Great job on your build and documenting the process. Painting the frameset is no easy task as I've built multiple bikes with subpar results. I used your build series to help with my build, so thank you for providing the extra details.
Thanks! I am glad the videos helped.
Share some photos!
Very cool project! Greetings from Brazil!
Thanks! Greetings!
Waiting for the ride review!
You and me both! I drive by the trails every day waiting for that gate to be open.
Thanks for the nice build videos. Do you know if it is possible to add a front light. Because i think your display accept it. Is there a cable to connect it in the battery ? And in your display ? Thanks
Yw! Yes it is possible and the wiring that came with it has connectors for it.
Do you remember how long you cut your steerer? and what frame you have? I pulled the trigger on the frame and looking for some deals on second hand forks
I cut it to 6 3/4" inches and have two 1/2" spacers. The minimum I think you could get away with is 5 3/4" without any spacers.
@@sandnap thank you sir!
i’m about to start motor install, any tips to keep wires out the way?
Nice! If I am not too late, install it with the bike upside down, route the dropper post cable around the motor on the non-drive side under the motor cover, and have someone hold those pesky spacers or craft a way to secure them while you put the motor in place. Oh, and also be careful putting pressure on the charge port wires, I broke mine and had to grind and re-solder them.
@@sandnap thanks mate, not too late as they sent the wrong length sensor cable, i had to buy another o e, those are good tips thankyou
Great video!! I just received my LCE930 and your videos gonna help me alot during the build-up. Did you encounter any tolerance issue when mounting the shox??I did try mounting the shox and noticed there was bit of play at the bottom mount albeit my shox hardware was 22.2 but the mounting width was 22.8. Bolt was tightened by hand only, I wonder will the "play" be mitigated once I torque it up to spec?
Thanks! I didn't have a problem with the tolerance but I have heard others who have and had to use thin spacers. Here is a conversation related to this: www.emtbforums.com/threads/my-lightcarbon-lce930-build-with-bafang-m820.35012/post-497365. Good luck on your build!
@@sandnap Great, thanks!!
In motor kit, did you get the screen? Or did you ask separately?
The motor kit came with the screen and PAS controller.
Could you share a link for the brakes? I'm building a E10 with a M560 🙂
Nice! That is a proven frame/motor combo. There are several colors to choose from and you can choose front, rear, or both. I went with the black pair. www.aliexpress.us/item/3256804577690212.html I also ordered some metal pads to go with it in the event that the hybrid composite pads it comes with are not effective enough. I have yet to decide since it's too muddy to ride. The pads I ordered are here: www.aliexpress.us/item/2255800530659421.html
Interesting set of videos :), glad that i found them. How was the ordering process and what was the price if i may ask?
edit: saw a comment about the cost, but interested in the ordering process still
Thanks! The ordering process was very smooth on Alibaba. The order was complete and arrived in less than a month.
@@sandnapNice! That is surprisingly fast for such a niche product from china
What is the weight of the bike? Apologies if i missed it!
The final weight ready to ride is 43.6 lbs/19.77 kg according to my scale. It's pretty close to what I estimated it to be after adding up the weight of the individual components.
Did you talk about the cost of this build? This would be realy interesting
I haven't done a video specifically about the cost but I get asked about that a lot. I may make a video itemizing the cost of the build. The total cost was $3117.89 USD. A rough breakdown:
Frame/Motor/Battery - $1800.73
Fork (2023 Fox 36 Performance, new closeout) - $339.99
Shock (2023 Fox Float X Performance, take-off, like new) - $180.00
Dropper post (EXO 900i) - $73.16
Brake set (IIIPro E4) - $83.32
Rotors & adapters - ~$25
Seat - $25.99
Bars - $19.99
Stem - $9.97
Groupset (SLX) - $127.37
Grips - $11.53
Wheelset (SUNringle Duroc 35) - 262.96
Pedals - $13.63
Tires (Maxxis) - $105.99
Crank arms (152mm) - $37.99
Thanks for sharing that information. Awesome job.
Very nice… would you recommend it to someone who is not as capable with DIY things?
Thanks! I don't think it is overly challenging technically it just requires time, patience, and the right tools. If you are not already a member I recommend joining www.emtbforums.com/ and checking out the DIY form www.emtbforums.com/forums/diy-ebike-builds.61/. There is a lot of great advice and support available for this and several other frame up builds.
@@sandnap do you know the BCD for the chainring? The drivetrain I got it is the new SRAM, the Bluetooth one!!
Nice! They sent me a 104 BCD crank arm/chainring.
Can you tell me about the paint you used. Did you clear coat? What sanding did you need to do between coats?
Also, I did an M510 build using the LCES004 frame. Frame is great, motor torque sensor seems to be a bit finicky. Cadence and applied torque to pedals seems really particular. I find on climbs I can feel the motor is sort of cutting on-off - “off duration” is about a 1/2 pedal stroke. It kind of intermittent but enough to be annoying.
Finally, to remove the battery, do you have to fully remove the motor, or can you remove the two forward bolts and let the motor pivot on the rear bolt. What do you think of that design element? Does it impact winter storage, or traveling long distant on bike rack during inclement weather (rain)?
Looking forward to hearing how it performs on the trails? What region on country are you - wondering about your trails.
I used Rust-Oleum Custom Laquer in Nardo Gray and Max 2K Matte Clear Coat. I lightly sanded the matte black paint it came with and didn't sand between the paint and clear coat. So far it is holding up well but it's too early to tell. On the other bike I painted recently I used the same paint and clear coat but I put down a few coats of primer first and sanded between the primer and color coat. I am more confident that it will hold up better with the primer. I really liked both the paint and clear coat, the spray pattern was good for a rattle can and the paint looks smooth.
Are you able to use the Go or Go+ app or BESST tool to change the motor settings? I am able to use Go+ and I dropped the startup angle down and increased the acceleration a bit. I also changed the assist power levels. Have you tried changing the settings on the M510?
I haven't tried leaving the rear motor bolt and tilting the motor down but I would be surprised if it tilted down far enough. There isn't a lot of clearance at the rear side of the motor. I hope I don't have to remove the battery very often, mounting the motor is a bit of a pain.
I uploaded my inaugural ride video last week, I am not sure if you had a chance to watch it. I live in Utah, the south end of the Salt Lake valley. I have rocky technical single track trails within two blocks of my house and some smoother single track trails within 3 miles. We have just about every kind of terrain you can imagine around here. There will be more ride videos to come!
How about you? What kind of trails do you ride with your LCES004?
I originally had the V1 display which did not support Go+. By the time my order for the V2 arrived along with the Besst tool my 2.5 month stay in Colorado was coming to an end, so I never fiddled with motor settings. I bought the devices to address the on-off I mentioned. Something for this coming season.
I did a mullet build so bike amazing on CO downhill. It’s a tad long for tight uphill switchbacks, but it really excels on techie uphills climbing. All-in-all the frame is “great” and the motor is “good”. Perhaps with a little tweaking of motor settings, it too will be “great”. Bafang seems to improve the firmware and supporting software with each release - I was first gen on the M510.
I painted using methods learned on Etoe channel. A bit of a production so I was intrigued by your seemingly easier approach.
I did watch your ride video - the cameras make everything look flat and tame, but when I saw snow capped peaks I assumed it was anything but tame!
Who did you buy the motor and battery from? Landed cost?
That trail is pretty tame, more of a flow trail with a few baby jumps but with mountains to the east and west of me I have a lot of variety from flow to technical and some great jump line options in Corner Canyon all within 30 minutes of my house. Probably similar to the options you had in CO.
I bought the frame/motor/battery from Changzhou Fieldbikes on Alibaba. The motor kit including the DPC-245 display, BF 410WH 43V battery, and wiring was $908 and the total combined shipping for the frame kit and motor kit was $120 and there was a "Logistics Premium" charge of $35. Total frame & motor kit combined price $1738 to my door which to me is a bargain considering the cost of a full carbon frame alone from the big brands is significantly more than that.
@@sandnap That is a really good price!
What is the weight of the complete build?
It is 43.7 lbs (19.82 kg) ready to ride.