The Best Training Method For Improving Martial Arts Skill with Gabriel Varga

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  • Six time world champion ‪@GabrielVargaOfficial‬ explains how to construct a drill that will allow you to take techniques you have learned in class and apply them in sparring and eventually in a fight.
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  • @MMAShredded
    @MMAShredded Рік тому +193

    cool video!

    • @jaxcinatovall5073
      @jaxcinatovall5073 Рік тому +12

      I love how the self defense championship thing brought all these channels together

    • @niroz6579
      @niroz6579 Рік тому +1

      This is exactly what I asked about when asking about your course . ( trying to understand if it's include this type of progression )

  • @TheElbowMerchant
    @TheElbowMerchant Рік тому +176

    I take a lot of what I see on this channel (particularly footwork and distance management) and try to apply it to sparring. I don't always pull it off, but sometimes it works and I'll keep it in my repertoire. I've only improved from sparring against people who are better than me, or sparring at 50% speed and power against everyone else. With all of that said, I never give up on a technique, even if I'm embarrassingly bad at it, until I get somewhat proficient with it.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  Рік тому +69

      Keep grinding. There are shortcuts... but they won't get you as far as the path you're on.

    • @TheElbowMerchant
      @TheElbowMerchant Рік тому +9

      @@hard2hurt Will do. Thanks, Mike.

    • @BiggityBoggity8095
      @BiggityBoggity8095 Рік тому +4

      @@hard2hurt this is just my opinion and you can feel free to disregard me. But I respectfully disagree with your method of holding people from sparring for 3 months. Part of why Jiu Jitsu schools have better teaching and a culture that’s more conducive to learning is because they encourage sparring ASAP. Regardless of experience levels. This is, IMO, the correct approach. I would be extremely discouraged, saddened, and bored to tears if I joined a gym and knew I wouldn’t be allowed to spar until 3 months in. From my perspective, I should be allowed to spar the moment I pay my monthly fee.
      I simply can’t see a good reason to do that to someone. If they go too hard because they don’t understand yet that sparring isn’t a fight, I’d personally argue they need 1:1 sparring sessions with the coach and the gym enforcers. That way they can be taught control and how to be nice. If that doesn’t work, then you can revoke their sparring privileges. If it’s a situation where your established gym members might go too hard on them in sparring, then I can see why you’d hold a new member back for 3 months. But it would also speak to the culture you’ve built in that gym. Perhaps you’ve encouraged people to go a little too hard without teaching them control.
      I remember my first MT class, I was 12 and my coach threw me in with a heavy weight for sparring. I had no idea what I was doing but I had the time of my life. That experience was so awesome and I knew I wanted to pursue this as a life long passion. Then over time I had to learn that sparring is not a fight and I was schooled by later coaches on how to be controlled and play nice. And after I learned to do that, sparring became even more amazing. IMO, that’s the right move. Push everyone into sparring right away. People that don’t understand how to spar correctly can be isolated and their problems can be solved
      I’d love to pick your brain on this. Why do you do it your way? I want to hear your reasoning, if you’d ever be so kind as to get back to me. Perhaps this would be worthy of its own video.

    • @Ash__Adler
      @Ash__Adler Рік тому +8

      ​@@BiggityBoggity8095 One of the problems with sparring early is you don't know enough to actually learn from it, so you're getting beat up (hopefully just metaphorically, assuming you're at a gym with good sparring culture) with very little benefit. My muay thai kru never said anything to me about when I was or wasn't ready for sparring, but I waited for about 3 months of my own volition to give myself time to develop enough foundation to (a) feel like I could keep myself safe defensively and (b) actually process what was happening in order to respond during the round and learn for the longer term. My BJJ coach had me just do grip fighting and situational sparring for the first week or two, then I went into full open sparring. About 2 months in now, I kept getting mounted by one person I worked with yesterday, and when he asked if I had any situational questions, I told him outright that I don't know enough to know what to ask in a useful way.
      In short, sparring experience by itself is not valuable if you aren't learning. It's like doing a workout that gets you tired but doesn't actually improve your S&C (e.g. see all the gyms that have trainees run in circles to warm up 🙃)

    • @BiggityBoggity8095
      @BiggityBoggity8095 Рік тому

      @@Ash__Adler I would argue that just as important as the practicality of a routine is how much you enjoy doing it. Unless you’re out here like Marvelous Marvin or Mike Tyson where you have the discipline to force yourself through anything no matter what. But only a select few phenoms are like that. For everyone else like you and me, if it’s not fun, we’re not gonna keep doing it.
      There are exceptions to that rule. A lot of the foot work drills I do, which I learned from Barry Robinson and Icy Mike, I find boring and they make me feel stupid. But I do them anyway because I appreciate the practical application. It’s like eating your vegetables. But the majority of what of what people do should be something they find fun, they look forward to it. For me, sparring is first place, and hitting pads is second.
      I do this not simply to get good at hurting people, but because learning how to hurt people is fun. And if I walk into a gym knowing that I’ll be held back from the most fun thing about this hobby, I’ll probably just do the free trial and never go back. In fact, I think I’d feel genuinely hurt if someone wouldn’t allow me to spar. I’d either read it as an insult or I’d feel like I did something bad to earn their mistrust. I want to spar. And if I can’t do it, then the class is useless to me. There’s no way I’m alone in feeling that way.

  • @BradYaeger
    @BradYaeger Рік тому +53

    Part of what makes this type of drilling important as well is if you watch when Gabe feeds Mike some jabs to parry but Mike didn't follow with the kick it wasn't so much that he forgot as it was because he was moving backwards so it was the RIGHT TIME to do the kick so he didn't force the technique . So you are also learning to NOT to do certain things . Helps you realize nothing works 100% of the time .

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  Рік тому +34

      Live drilling does in fact teach you a lot of things that you don't even realize you are learning.

  • @heresjonny666
    @heresjonny666 Рік тому +18

    Man, this is so true. It's something we constantly rag on in my HEMA group about too many other groups, who will have a new guy come in and literally kit them up and throw them into sparring on their first day after some appallingly basic introductions to the weapon. It's like NO! Let them learn the basic techniques, and how to be safe, then give them some pressure for those techniques, and THEN go spar.

    • @connorperrett9559
      @connorperrett9559 Рік тому

      Sounds like you have more of a fight club than a martial arts club.

  • @jussanoodle
    @jussanoodle Рік тому +61

    Hey just want to say, the videos you do on coaching and teaching are some of the best on the platform. You're very real with it all, and deliver it in a digestible manner. As someone who teaches martial arts, and has taught martial arts for a long time, it's always really educating to watch your videos, and I almost always bring something with me in the next lesson I teach. Keep it up!

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  Рік тому +9

      Lessons on teaching are so rare... I wish there was more people doing this so that I could learn myself. I have been in some instructor level courses and done some instructor training... but it wasn't very actionable.

    • @Ash__Adler
      @Ash__Adler Рік тому +2

      There's definitely a difference between the content from people who think about teaching effectively (e.g. Mike, Gabriel Varga, Joe Valtellini, Jordan Preisinger, Nathan Corbett) compared to people who think they can teach just because they were good fighters (won't name names because I'd rather only give publicity to the people doing it well 🙃).

    • @jussanoodle
      @jussanoodle Рік тому

      @@hard2hurt Yeah all the ones I've attended try to hard to be deep and end up saying lots of words that mean nothing when put together. It's refreshing to be able to watch lessons with tangible and applicable methods, and definitely has helped me a lot

  • @Christianguy8
    @Christianguy8 Рік тому +12

    When these two collab you know the video is going to be good.

  • @sovcast8760
    @sovcast8760 Рік тому +1

    Couldn't agree more! I remember doing one step and three step "sparring", almost useless.

  • @vishnuramesh350
    @vishnuramesh350 Рік тому +1

    The elite martial artists on UA-cam really share useful information. Thank you Mike, Gabe, Shane, Seth, Jeff, Steven Wonderboy, and many more that I'm unable to recall.

  • @S7ilgar
    @S7ilgar Рік тому +3

    So happy to see my experience confirmed, I thought it was me who wasn't gifted for Martial Arts. We didn't do live drills in my dojo, neither in my Boxing club. I noticed this gap between drills and sparrings and what I did is focusing on one single thing I wanted to improve/restitute during my sparrings. I remembered it was working. Stupidly, I didn't do it on a systematic basis hence my not very impressive progress.

  • @megamanx766
    @megamanx766 Рік тому +4

    Watching you from the past few years has taught me to be more flexible and open-minded about fighting. I was limiting myself from capitalizing on opportunities by being too rigid about techniques and you made me realize how impractical it is.

  • @mjjohn7715
    @mjjohn7715 Рік тому +3

    I'm going to watch all of Mike's videos with Gabriel

  • @simplysimpinpodcastwiththe1144
    @simplysimpinpodcastwiththe1144 Рік тому +32

    Love your content you are always very entertaining and I continue to learn and grow from watching your channel stay awesome icy Mike

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  Рік тому +10

      Thank you! Make sure you are subscribed to Gabriel too... he is the man.

  • @jacksonmuaythai
    @jacksonmuaythai Рік тому +20

    To me, the ‘live drilling’ is sort of like sparring, but one partner is defending and another partner is using a lot of low kicks, or hooks, or etc (and of course at a much slower pace) I like it! Cool video

    • @juanmejiagomez5514
      @juanmejiagomez5514 Рік тому +5

      Yeah, I recently started muay thai and the coach has us doing 1 or 2 strikes each but it can be kicks, punches or whatever, and I find it way more enjoyable than standard drilling because it really gets your mind thinking about how to deal with strikes coming your way without losing composure and without suffering unnecessary damage

  • @camfer9616
    @camfer9616 Рік тому +1

    this is the kind of stuff that's ussually behind a paywall. You are both very generous and I thank you.

  • @necromancer0616
    @necromancer0616 Рік тому +6

    It's all about the READS! Add to that tequnique and turning those things into an automatic "go-to" is what sets fighters appart from one another. Also I think @hard2hurt, Mike you should do a video on how to counter the "Rush Down" in a street fight, because that's a very common attack tactic when faced with an attacker or several attackers in a street situation.

    • @necromancer0616
      @necromancer0616 Рік тому +1

      @Busy right now It's funny you say that... I usualy find people who say those kinds of things are exactly what they say like, "Your full of shit!". Apparently you've never been in a gang or lived on the hard side of life. Learn to use you brain isnstead of your mouth!

  • @shelbyyoungfitness2716
    @shelbyyoungfitness2716 Рік тому +5

    Love this method! We call it "the trigger". Usually a specific attack from the coach/partner to Trigger the counter attack or combo we've been working on. Gradually adding more and more variables. One of the biggest things I think newer students struggle with is understanding that you don't have to do the thing every single time, but learning to wait until you've found the right distance and angle to land successfully. Thanks again Mike and Gabriel for the awesome video!

  • @SimonSays314
    @SimonSays314 Рік тому +1

    So right about the live drilling

  • @theoneandonly3435
    @theoneandonly3435 Рік тому +1

    I think this video takes "being informative on a realistic basis" to a new level. Very very good job.

  • @Muscleman09
    @Muscleman09 Рік тому +3

    *My first day of Muay Thai I had sparring and got paired with someone with no self control really wish I would of had 3 months to learn*

  • @bunklypeppz
    @bunklypeppz Рік тому +5

    I really like the idea behind this. I always find it a little frustrating when I'm training striking or grappling with people who have a fair amount of experience and they only want to do "drills" that just involve repeatedly throwing combinations on mitts without any competitive aspect or potential for failure.
    Doing totally compliant technique drills is fine for people who are just looking to get a workout or if you're just learning the technique, but too many people have this idea that just practicing a punching combination or a submission on a compliant partner over and over is the way you improve and I honestly feel like that type of training has almost no impact on your ability to use the techniques for real; in some cases it can make you worse, because without the risk of failure or being countered, you can easily develop habits that make those pitfalls more likely to occur.
    I think it's ideal to practice drills that you will initially fail at more often than succeeding, like the jab/leg kick one you do here at the start. I get the impression that a lot of people just assume it's a bad drill or it's not worth doing if they try it 10 times and fail 5 or more of those times, but in reality, that should be the kind of things that encourages you to practice more until you can pull it off more frequently. The benefit of that type of training is that you can try hard and fail often without getting hurt, which is not always the case in sparring and certainly not the case in a real fight. If you can't embrace the risk of failure, you're probably never going to find the ability to succeed.

    • @jonathanlochridge9462
      @jonathanlochridge9462 6 місяців тому +1

      Yeah, I personally am thinking a bit that for striking bagwork is probably mostly superior to completely compliant technique drills.
      The only thing it might help you do better is judge distance, maybe? Which is so is valuable?
      Although, this better type of drill where each person has a specific goal or set of things they are trying to do and repeat. Looks amazing. I wish my current teacher was good enough and knew enough about teaching to do that sort of thing, I have been looking for a better teacher.
      My current one knows a lot about the body and is a licensed nutritionist as well, so they have been able to tell me a lot about the physiology of stuff, but I don't even know if they have actually been in a fight/tournament although they have done it awhile, there just aren't many people arround where I am though.
      So they have said some stuff I think is useful though. Actual lessons are like mostly padwork or like shadowboxing occasionally a little heavy bag work.
      I know I am not ready for actual sparring though in this.
      (I did used to do like hema sparring and such though in the past.)

  • @altermellion6984
    @altermellion6984 Рік тому +2

    Thanks for this video.
    Most of the savate club I've been training at, this is the usual way to train.
    There is a topic if the day, and it goes from work in isolation to sparring, with adding different unknown elements along the way, sparring being the highest level of unknown.
    It is very effective indeed.
    Thanks again guys!

  • @alexandertheok5649
    @alexandertheok5649 Рік тому +7

    I went to a gym that actually spars from day 1 but it's light and chill sparring. When pros train w each other they go harder, but when it's with a newbie and a pro or newbie v newbie it's always light.
    And I have to say it helped me get better pretty fast

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  Рік тому

      Better at what?

    • @alexandertheok5649
      @alexandertheok5649 Рік тому +2

      @@hard2hurt
      Applying techniques we drill that day in actual sparring, I suppose? Both combos, footwork and grappling (and also helped a lot to smoothen my transition between striking and grappling). Though truth is we also do live drills (usually we do regular drills, then live drills, then light sparring, in a 90 minute session)

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  Рік тому +4

      You're better at applying them in light and chill sparring. That is very different than applying them in any other context. It is different in type, not amount. It is akin to teachers teaching you how to pass the tests they created, rather than teach you how to _do the thing_.
      I train very regularly with several guys who are very good in light sparring. They look like experts, but wilt instantly and completely when given real pressure. Not only are they not ready, they are barely any more ready than a person with no training.

    • @alexandertheok5649
      @alexandertheok5649 Рік тому +1

      @@hard2hurt
      That's probably correct, I never thought of it this way.
      I'm moving gyms (irrespective of this, it's because I'm moving towns), but assuming my new gym will be similar, what would you advise to fill those gaps?
      I assume that hard sparring will come once I get to a certain degree of experience, but besides that is there anything you'd recommend?

  • @LukeD91
    @LukeD91 Рік тому

    We do this kind of thing in my karate class. We "drill" certain techniques in 'easy' sparring situations. Good content Mike 👌

  • @SynergyGamingTV
    @SynergyGamingTV Рік тому

    I'm so close to booking a flight from Calgary, Alberta to come and train!! Would be awesome to get in there and meet all these fighters from various styles; and champion fighters! SO AWESOME!!

  • @daniel-san836
    @daniel-san836 Рік тому

    the most beneficial drills i've ever done started real light and progressively got harder and harder to the point you're nearly about to kill or be killed, but you hardly notice because you enter a flow state.

  • @phillskinner8671
    @phillskinner8671 Рік тому +2

    SOLID advice here

  • @gordonshumway9765
    @gordonshumway9765 11 місяців тому

    That’s one of your best videos. I will implement this method in our training. It sounds like the missing piece to close the gap between the training with a complying partner and sparring.

  • @barrettdowell3985
    @barrettdowell3985 Рік тому +1

    I saw the lights from the car skipping across the back wall and thought someone was hotboxing your studio 😂😂😂

  • @jjasper7512
    @jjasper7512 Рік тому

    This is great and so true, p.s have seen the ultimate defense championship video and from what I've seen you were the only one that has pulled off the cleanest techniques, kicking heads, knifes out of hands, flying kicks,fighting upside down, awesome work!

  • @notusingmyname4791
    @notusingmyname4791 5 днів тому

    holy crap I've been doing that for a good 5 years in wing chun (sometimes at my sifu's disaproval)... I just called it decreasing levels of cooperation.
    lvl 0 -let them learn the move/series of moves.
    lvl 1 -varry stiffness/looseness in response to their use of said technique
    lvl 2 -varry cadence of my feeding and counters
    lvl 3 -varry footwork and distance
    lvl 4 - all of the above.
    and we're still working on the same drill.

  • @shanesummers1458
    @shanesummers1458 Рік тому +1

    Brilliant advice, definitely keen to see some examples you apply, love your work mate

  • @Jenjak
    @Jenjak Рік тому

    "invest in loss" is one of the best lesson I got from taichi Chuan.
    Before you succeed you must accept to suck and take the risk to fail while trying to do things properly.

  • @nicolaslugo9357
    @nicolaslugo9357 Рік тому +1

    I was worried that i would have to come to the comments to defend my gym, but it turns out that this is what we already do! The class sizes are small (at least in the mornings) so it allows for us to focus more on things like live drilling. We did start sparring after about 2 months, but all of my classmates are chill and my coach is very adamant about making sure we go light.

  • @henrylewis5539
    @henrylewis5539 Рік тому +5

    Your videos on these subjects make me grateful for the gym I go to. I feel very lucky to have found such a good one. My coach does things like what you are talking about here, and he is a humble and approachable guy as well. Meaning if you made a video on something we have not done, I could show it to him and he would be willing to try it out.
    Great video Icy Mike, you always put out great information.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  Рік тому +3

      I can assure you that he is a rare type.

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 Рік тому

      Great! You are indeed very lucky and right to be grateful

    • @jestfullgremblim8002
      @jestfullgremblim8002 Рік тому +1

      Great! You are indeed very lucky and right to be grateful

  • @Dan53196
    @Dan53196 Рік тому

    This was how my first boxing coach trained me. He would show me the technique and then he would move around with me and throw other stuff and then throw the shot we worked on. Great stuff!

  • @baldieman64
    @baldieman64 Рік тому +1

    Same with all those Aikido and Hapkido techniques.
    People learn the basic form, then they might make it more flowery and fancy, but they almost never do the work to make it functional.
    That means training it in sparring, recognising the reference points where a technique is available, making the entry, applying kasushi to disrupt his pattern of movement to create a moment and then applying the technique.
    Oh and then there are all the options for when he stuffs the technique, which will happen more often than not.

    • @AmarzzAelin
      @AmarzzAelin Рік тому

      I practice in a system of nihon jujutsu and, even if we do different ways of randori and kumite (just sometimes this last one), I find very interesting this idea of a middle point between the kata and the different kinds of randori/sparring. The idea of to give, for example, opportunities to your mate for execute waki gatame, or o soto gari, but with another attacks from uke involved, and a medium and controlled level of resistance. I think this idea is 100% applicable to lots of martial arts.

  • @ehukai2003
    @ehukai2003 Рік тому

    Anyone who argues with you about this stuff is just being ridiculous. Epsecially when you consider the company you keep (all these fighters and trainers) and when you consider the fact that while you're AT LEAST a decent fighter, you're primarily a coach/trainer/gym owner. I appreciate your stuff and can appreciate when you have a difference of opinion because you back it up and allow for nuance in the end. So thank you.

  • @antoniocatanese4258
    @antoniocatanese4258 Рік тому

    This is great. Sometimes I try to spar without thinking of anything, but others I'll go in with a plan or a combo/technique to train, which is similar to this kind of exercise. But what you've shown here seems so much better, it really looks like the missing link between combo practice and sparring.

  • @kamilri
    @kamilri Рік тому

    I always love when someone touch that important topic (i.e. great video).
    The "funny" thing is that importance of those intermediate steps* is even scientifically proven. But when that theory finds heavy use in for example fencing, sadly relatively rarely you can see it utilized in martial arts.
    * - Exact theory differentiate two separate steps between learning technique in isolation and actual sparing. The first one introduce "additional things to thing about", and second one also include tactical level decision making eg. need to choose one of few techniques available for given drill, depending on situation.

  • @simonbut8062
    @simonbut8062 3 місяці тому

    I trained Rattachai Muay Thai for a month when I went to Thailand
    Whenever I did one on ones , the coach spent the entire hour teaching me maybe two or three techniques or sequences and then live drilling them by making me read which technique I should use based on which offense he used

  • @axelfuentes1376
    @axelfuentes1376 Рік тому

    I make sure i do in sparring and rolling what i learned in training and it is a very cool feeling.

  • @alexd4066
    @alexd4066 Рік тому

    Best fighting UA-cam channel

  • @stefan-c2m
    @stefan-c2m 2 місяці тому

    im gonna start using this idea of sligtly mixing something related in to the thing ur drilling into my bag work and shadow boxing as a go to thing to do. thanks

  • @crazygreek6341
    @crazygreek6341 Рік тому

    That's some stuff I really appreciated with one of my BJJ coaches, he always said drill it first with no restistance, then 10% then 20% and so on, so you would get a feel first for a move, then you make it more difficult, and you do it often, so that you can hit it later in sparring. More people need to drill that way. I try to make it kinda the same with my partner in striking class, but some people are just meat head bonobos ngl, so it's way easier when an instructor tells you to go harder and really drill.
    Great video btw

  • @BourneFighting
    @BourneFighting Рік тому

    Excellent points all around! I completely agree. I can’t wait to train with in NY soon! I already reserved my spot. It will be an honor to meet you.

  • @marceau937
    @marceau937 Рік тому

    Lucid and logical vibes, thank you.

  • @rickjack78
    @rickjack78 10 місяців тому

    This makes me feel better about my boxing gym. This is how we drill with adding complexity and movement with resistance.
    And, I was disappointed the coach wouldn't let me spare at first. He actually said he'd let me know when I could spar depending on how much I practiced and improved rather than a set time limit.
    We only spar hard with visiting gyms which is often enough, but they keep it safe and matched correctly.
    I've heard this is more common with boxing gyms. Is that true?

  • @Macreadysshack
    @Macreadysshack 6 місяців тому

    It is critical to find sparring partners that know how to keep you in that state between comfortable and panic. There is a certain level of discomfort/cognitive load where you learn so fast and it sinks in deep. You need really good partners to spend a lot of time there.
    I like to talk about as a spectrum of composure.

  • @NJFraney
    @NJFraney Рік тому +1

    It’s okay to run through it super slow the first couple of tries to understand what it is you’re doing but then you should definitely be moving around and live drilling very soon after. We say “don’t be a fish” in our gym. Meaning don’t just stand there and let them hit you. Play defense and move make them apply the combo or move where they see an opening.

  • @crazymike1706
    @crazymike1706 Рік тому

    Coach Mike, I wanted to add in something I've never heard anyone else talk about. Most Muay Thai gyms in the US don't actually teach Muay Thai. A few years ago I train kickboxing for months, and not once did we work on the clinch elbows or Knees

    • @kristianjensen5877
      @kristianjensen5877 Рік тому

      Are you sure it wasn't a Dutch Kickboxing class? Elbows and clinches aren't usually taught much in those. 😅

  • @JohnSmith-ld2mc
    @JohnSmith-ld2mc Рік тому

    The best martial art I done for live drilling was fencing. We learned 4 different attacks in the 4 quadrants of the foil along with 2 parries in the 4 quadrants and mastered the crap out of them individually and in combinations.
    When we went to tournaments we had much fewer options, but by mastering the few along with proper amount of footwork practice we did well in the tournaments.
    Looking for a bjj class that can teach my kids in similar fashion.
    Thanks for the video and I hope coaches watch this and take it seriously.

    • @JohnSmith-ld2mc
      @JohnSmith-ld2mc Рік тому

      Some people may not consider fencing a martial art. That is fine. I’m not here to argue that.

    • @nightshade7240
      @nightshade7240 Рік тому +1

      @@JohnSmith-ld2mc From a different branch of sword fighting, fencing is absolutely a martial art and anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know what a martial art is. Bruce Lee had it right, don't fear the man who has practised a thousand kicks once, fear the man who has practised one kick a thousand times, because he has thought about all the applications he can use that one kick for. Pick your favourite techniques that work for you and train the absolute shit out of them.

  • @FNDoomer
    @FNDoomer Рік тому

    Loving the vids with Varga, stay cool icy mike.

  • @WestCoastMaa2
    @WestCoastMaa2 Рік тому

    This is such a good video thank you. I love the terminology of live drilling

  • @chinatownchang
    @chinatownchang Рік тому

    I agree with the guy, he’s using logic, adding the extra steps are helpful before you go to live sparring and fighting. You need a compliant partner for when you need to figure out a move and then slowly move to applying it in real time. They do do this in Muay Thai gyms though and Sanda gyms and Judo etc.

  • @ThousandTimesNo
    @ThousandTimesNo Рік тому

    This is why i train boxing... In sparrings we exactly try to do what we were practicing on compliant training, just with element of positioning and surprise.

  • @AllweHaveIsTime
    @AllweHaveIsTime Місяць тому

    My current gym does live drilling and i only now can appreciate how much better i am compared to the last gym i trained at

  • @gymvideos4579
    @gymvideos4579 Рік тому +1

    Good video. Cpl weeks ago at my gym two guys were sparring way too hard and one got knocked out for a few seconds. He jumped up when he came to and started fighting again going hard. No coach did anything. I wish there were gyms like yours around here. They are rare

    • @OldBadger1
      @OldBadger1 Рік тому

      Yours is a good gym. Hard sparring cleans up alot of bad (,for you) moves.

    • @kristianjensen5877
      @kristianjensen5877 Рік тому

      @@OldBadger1 Hard sparring also has the added benefit of risking repeated brain injuries. 👍

    • @OldBadger1
      @OldBadger1 Рік тому

      @@kristianjensen5877 Learning and practicing fighting skills? We don't have much brains to begin with. 🤣

  • @Gun.Barrel
    @Gun.Barrel Рік тому +1

    It was Eisenhower who said Planning is essential, but plans are useless. Mean, planning or drilling is important, but the plan will be useless in the actual engagement. Fights are chaotic because you forget that you can not make your opponent's plans for him or her. Sun Tzu, "Know your enemy"

  • @dirtpoorchris
    @dirtpoorchris Рік тому

    I dont know alot of Chinese but I like how they catogorize stuff like "Chi Gurk" which ends up standing for: "standing up and going leg to leg with your enemy and winning dominant position" so it can turn your legs into knee and hip bumps and knee on knee shoves that turn your enemy so you get free hits to the side of their head. If you know how to standing knee vs knee wrestle your enemy you can literally make them turn sideways and instant win the shoving position. So you practice your "Chi Gurk" drills and it ends up fine tuning an aspect.
    Ive landed these in sparring and it made them stumble and get completely confused, but targeting opponents knee joints is always dangerous. If you stumble and fall onto their knee it can be devestating. Ive had it landed on me too and when you fall into a chi gurk slip it feels like you are sat into a seat and spun around because you completely lose your structure and ride your enemies knee framing, or it forces you to kneel
    You can train this by drawing a small box on the ground big enough for both players to fit a foot in. If either players lead foot goes to step and lands outside that player loses. You cannot just float your foot up and not touch the square on the ground, but you can lift your foot up to scoop around your opponents foot if you want as long as you step down on your foot and dont float it. You two now wrestle while constantly keeping your lead foot in this box. You eventually learn how to knee vs knee shove peoples steps out of the box and control their footwork with standing kneels.
    Another way to train is tie your lead foot to their lead foot lol. You can imagine the rest.

  • @christophervelez1561
    @christophervelez1561 Рік тому +1

    Icy Mike can you do a break down of what this concept looks like in wrestling or bjj? I tend to get 1 of 2 reactions from my students when I try to implement something like this either I get the guy who is a limp noodle or the stiff as a board which breaks the drill. Do you have any advice on how to better introduce this concept? I've tried the (show me what 50% looks like) which my students will do that part well but when the execution of the technique happens they either collapse or give too much resistance in that phase of the technique.
    In theory I thought it could be easier than how you show it in striking due to the fact that the you can literally feel your partner. This channel is a gold mine for me btw. I love the fact that you do breakdowns like this. I also am rooting for you in the ultimate self defense championship!

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  Рік тому +2

      Unfortunately I don't have enough grappling expertise... but grappling schools are really bad about this too.

  • @StrangerThing369
    @StrangerThing369 Рік тому +3

    yes!

  • @makoshark7122
    @makoshark7122 Рік тому

    This video is extremely good advice and very important. I'll keep note of this for sure!

  • @Errzman
    @Errzman Рік тому +1

    God damn it Mike! If you keep making these kinds of videos, I'm not going to be able to train anywhere! 😩
    Seriously though, thank you so much for sharing your perspective with the world like this. Been really helping me improve my training.

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  Рік тому

      Lol don't be too hard on your coaches.

  • @JamesLDurham
    @JamesLDurham Рік тому

    This great for teaching. Thank you 🙏

  • @thor498
    @thor498 Рік тому +1

    This is technical sparring

  • @alexdow8042
    @alexdow8042 Рік тому

    Great drill, top coaching

  • @falkschiffner6565
    @falkschiffner6565 Рік тому

    Yes, the teaching I needed! Thanks!

  • @andy101971
    @andy101971 Рік тому

    Great advice thank you.

  • @chestermosburger3113
    @chestermosburger3113 Рік тому

    Having these guys as my coach 30 years ago would have saved me from a lot of brain damage and would have made me a better fighter.

  • @catstudent1
    @catstudent1 Рік тому

    My boxing couch had me spar in the first month. But he only allowed us to use the jab. Then later on in training he added the straight. So he made it at my beginner pace

  • @esgrimaxativa5175
    @esgrimaxativa5175 Рік тому

    THIS!!!! antagonistic drills are the way to grow specific skills quickly. Your particular example is semi antagonistic as one guy isn't trying to "win" his part rather than act kind of how a fencing coach would, by guiding the student and making it always a little more difficult to achieve a specific technique. Pure antagonistic drills are ones where each partner is trying to win with some specific technique which might or might not be the same for each one.

  • @hvyduty1220
    @hvyduty1220 Рік тому

    We always raised the speed and hardness of strikes.

  • @AeolethNionian
    @AeolethNionian Рік тому

    I've always had the mindset of trying to do 2-3 things in sparring to work on. Sometimes it's what I learned in class that day most of the time it's not

  • @vyderka
    @vyderka Рік тому

    I've no idea who that dude with no hair and shiny skull is, but he's sure gonna make progress fast learning from such a beast like Gabriel :D

  • @malkomalkavian
    @malkomalkavian Рік тому

    Thank you for teaching me to teach teaching better

  • @hipotonomous
    @hipotonomous Рік тому

    I've heard this called honesty in training, and it's a real problem, not just in "traditional martial arts", but probably moreso.
    Compliant drills are useful in the very beginning. You need to get the body mechanics and feel what it's like to execute properly maybe a couple of times. After that, okay what's a good counter? What's a good reaction to that? Drill it so each partner can feel both sides.
    Then, what's nest? Or what happens if you miss the first reaction? Drill those.
    After all that, partners should just the drill flow. Maybe there's a scripted setup. But go where it takes you. Let students find reactions that work for them.
    Teach techniques. Drill the techniques. But add layers until it's all but freeform. That's how you build real muscle memory.

  • @nebojsabulatovic8899
    @nebojsabulatovic8899 Рік тому

    Totaly true. Been training for 2mo. They badly needed a man for spar. And I was not able to trow more than 2,3 normal punches. Rest was who knows what techique and style. Not to mention I was exausted.

  • @kirkcargill2289
    @kirkcargill2289 Рік тому

    This Video was fantastic

  • @cruxcoregaming1831
    @cruxcoregaming1831 Рік тому

    In psychology, we know of that phenomenon of what happens in training and what happens in love as Social Facilitation. However social facilitation states that when you’re practicing alone versus performing in front of people, the feeling of being evaluated makes people perform well with well practiced things we are good at (a familiar action) and perform bad with not well practiced or complex actions.
    Soooooo in fighting, practice->sparring and sparring->fighting will both show different levels of the effect of social facilitation.

    • @cruxcoregaming1831
      @cruxcoregaming1831 Рік тому

      And so practice helps with sparring, but you need to spar to put what you learned in practice into sparring. Same thing with live fights and sparring

  • @driver3899
    @driver3899 Рік тому

    I have never done this, we would ramp up the speed/intensity of compliant drills until they felt close to sparring then when the reactions were there you were aloud to do light sparring
    This is a way better intermediate step. Actually its probably better than sparring in some ways because you are able to isolate clean technique and get good numbers of reps in to build your neural pathways so it becomes instinctive, but adding the mental pressure of picking when to execute as well

  • @manuelschmoller2884
    @manuelschmoller2884 9 місяців тому

    Just like it should be.
    First learn the move, then slowly and gradually increase the load (in this case by adding different shit to it, in weightlifting it would be to add plates... But the overall principle stays the same.)
    Awesome work guys!

  • @stormskenpo
    @stormskenpo Рік тому

    Amen gentlemen, amen!

  • @jamielondon6436
    @jamielondon6436 Рік тому

    Very good points.

  • @kez_the_reaper2657
    @kez_the_reaper2657 Рік тому

    This video has got me thinking thanks Mike and Gabe. I do this kind of drilling all the time in bjj and I do improve pretty quickly but when It comes to boxing kickboxing and MMA I don't often train with that extra variable in a drill, it is just the one attack over and over in drills
    And in sparring when I'm doing good I probably am relying on physical attributes, normally pulling people into a clinch and dirty boxing. But when I'm doing bad it's usually because someone knows how to shut that down and keeping it at range. Maybe drills like this could fix that
    It's also interesting that I've been doing boxing and kickboxing longer than bjj but I would argue my grappling is better either I'm more naturally better at grappling which I don't think is the case or more likely the method of training is better for learning
    Very few bad habits in bjj but a long list of stuff I know I need to work on in striking
    Anyway thank you for the video keep smiling ☺️

  • @uros2321
    @uros2321 Рік тому

    Hello Mike, since I don't have a Gabriel Varga in my gym could you also show how to improve martial arts skills without Gabriel Varga, thank you.

  • @bigironinteractive5747
    @bigironinteractive5747 Рік тому

    Nice take on this.

  • @bspraker1
    @bspraker1 Рік тому

    Your killing it on good content!

  • @nightshade7240
    @nightshade7240 Рік тому

    Sparring should be drilling as much as it is combat. Sparring is just drilling where you throw in variables but you can't throw variables at new practitioners because they panic. I've found that's really the most important thing for new people getting hit for the first time, to reduce the level of panic. It's also true for intermediate practitioners as well. They mess up and they feel flummoxed but in a real fight, you don't have time to entertain of dwell on the mistakes, you just have to drill to fight that urge to need to stop and reflect or commiserate with yourself when making mistakes.
    Fighting is about who adapts from their mistakes most effectively. Drilling is about learning how to fight the need to pause or be distracted by what you perceive as you having done wrong. Imperfect fighting where you adapt well is more effective than technically perfect fighting done ineffectively. At the end of the day even the top level martial artists are constantly making mistakes.

  • @bennyc409
    @bennyc409 Рік тому

    Top video fellas!

  • @matthewmillette9898
    @matthewmillette9898 4 місяці тому

    Varga power!!!

  • @jezah8142
    @jezah8142 Рік тому

    Have you ever done an analysis of the Paul vunak method? Specifically the RAT system of self defence?

  • @jestfullgremblim8002
    @jestfullgremblim8002 Рік тому

    Yeah, this is very true.
    That's exactly how i teach

  • @jamiancarreon9896
    @jamiancarreon9896 Рік тому

    Great video

  • @chadwithautism
    @chadwithautism Рік тому +1

    The problem is that people tend to teach the fundamentals along with these sequenced drills without letting their fighters understand the underlying rudiments as to why certain techniques are even deemed fundamentals to begin with. As weird as your techniques may look or develop to become, as long as they don't break the fundamental rudiments of whatever the fundamentals of your art is or implies, it will more or less find its way to work. In the end it really comes down to the individual, and as much as things are black and white inside the ring, talent really shouldn't be seen as black and white.

  • @urichlau1975
    @urichlau1975 Рік тому

    In karate we have this phrase, お願いします onegaishimasu, and it is common in Japanese lingo
    Very roughly translated as ‘thanks for advance in treating me nicely / with respect / teaching me / showing me the skills’ etc
    My Sensei said by saying this to any Sensei, senpai, training partner, dojo mates,
    It is to show gratitude because they are giving their time, energy and body to help us in training.
    Yeah sparring shouldn’t be taken for granted.

  • @goldplatedbear2693
    @goldplatedbear2693 Рік тому

    awesome advice

  • @pangopod2969
    @pangopod2969 Рік тому

    I was missing that, thx

  • @kurylko8493
    @kurylko8493 Рік тому

    I always have aim to try something in open sparing, even if I can smoke the dude I decide i will for example backdown couple times and try to check hook few times during rounds, next day I decide i have in mind 2-3 setups to the liver and I try to execute them not for all cost but i will try, sometimes i even tell them to watch out for it coz im gone try it, even then if they know i land it anyway few times.sometime my sparring partners even ask me whats going on coz i screwd up whole round trying something and then the next round thing clicks and they are like damn thats shit sneaky xD

  • @BlakeMcCringleberry
    @BlakeMcCringleberry Рік тому

    This talk of live drilling got me thinking about whether this type of boxing/kickboxing gym training is worthwhile for anyone who isn't interested in becoming a fighter (professional or not). In previous videos, you've shown how good self-defense schools put people in "live drill" scenarios to help them get better at handling the sensory overload they might encounter when real danger arises. Is there a benefit to training in the boxing/kickboxing gym if the main goal of the individual is mainly self-defense?

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  Рік тому +4

      Yes. Tons. There is no other place to get this number of reps of hitting and getting hit safely. There are things sport training alone can't fix, but the benefits far outweigh those. We have done multiple videos on the subject.

  • @rushcarlton
    @rushcarlton Рік тому

    Almost didn't recognize @GabrielVargaOfficial wearing matching shin guards!

    • @hard2hurt
      @hard2hurt  Рік тому

      I been trying to clean him up.