The shocking treatment of mental illness in UK prisons
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- Опубліковано 5 лют 2024
- A shocking new report shows prisons are still being used as a so-called "place of safety" for people who are mentally unwell - a practice the 2022 Mental Health Bill was supposed to have stopped.
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The Prisons Inspectorate found they are being held in prison for an average of 85 days before being transferred to secure hospitals.
The result? Appalling levels of distress for some of the most unwell, and patients, prisoners, nurses and prison staff suffering real harm.
A Government spokesperson has told us:
“Offenders are entitled to access mental health support in prison, where they are also helped to get off drugs and into rehabilitation.
NHS England is investing in post-custody care to help prison leavers access their community-based health services - helping to reduce reoffending, cut crime and protect the public.”
Warning, you may find some of the details upsetting.
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As someone with mental health issues, that I've had my entire life, I can honestly say that the "services" the NHS deliver and provide are traumatic.
So sad that these extremely vulnerable people aren't even getting that... Truly barbaric!
They will bring back Electro Convulsive Therapy!
@@colleenpeck6347
Bring back? You do realise they regularly use this now, but it is more controlled and highly effective.
@@colleenpeck6347
This is already used effectively throughout the UK.
Have we fallen back to the 1800s??? We can't take care of our most vulnerable people?
Prisoners are criminals! They aren't priority...
What made them vulnerable in the first place? As a white male diagnosed with psychosis in my early 20s, I've been through those loops. It's not a nice place to be and now I see more people in a deeper hole than what I was. While I was deemed crazy I now believe that actually I was absolutely correct in my assertions that they were trying to kill me.
No we have not fallen to 1800s nothing has changed it's the hire undocumented at mental institutions searching patients belongings
@@DG-ie5ipah I knew you'd be in this section you absolute troll.
But it's prison, isn't it. It's not meant to be nice. Isn't that the point?
more and more this country is going back to the Victorian era
That’s the plan 👍
It’s so fucked. It’s like either sort the issue out or let people die peacefully. This is basically torture
@@DG-ie5ipTroll you are here Too.
The main issue is, the funding for mental health services is not enough.
We need more accessible services without huge delays before seeing a professional.
Not only is the funding not enough but staffing is an issue. It’s extremely challenging and demanding work so few people want to do it! Poor pay and insufficient training are issues too. Sadly it is also devalued by almost everyone including the medical and nursing professions!
Reality it's the refugees like hire Muslims, hire Russian spys.hire at mental institutions
Reality
UK is getting destructed everyday, it is better to leave UK for another European countries like Germany Netherlands or Belgium
I agree but also the Criminal Justice system is not fit for purpose. In many cases individuals are punished through probation, tagging or imprisonment for being unwell. Cathy makes an important point that the whole of society is impacted negatively through a lack of care, compassion and generosity.
lets not vote tory again
When I had a mental health crisis 7 years ago I kept my suicidal thoughts to myself for fear of what would happen to me if I was sectioned. The more I hear about what happens to others the more I feel I think I did the right thing not reaching out. But I shouldn't have had to have kept my suicidal thoughts to myself to keep myself safe.
Sigh. Having suicidal thoughts isn't enough to be sectioned. A suicide attempt will land you in the hospital, but you still are not likely to be sectioned unless you have very severe additional diagnoses and symptoms. You have to be an active danger to yourself or others.
If you have multiple bouts of suicide attempts ... Then maybe sectioning would be considered an option.
Mental health professionals do not want to keep patients for any longer than necessary to keep them safe. That's been the philosophy ever since the 1970s (maybe slightly different timing in UK).
I hope you never have another episode. But if you do, you should feel comfortable sharing your suicidal thoughts. If they are like mine at all, they go away by the time I finish talking about them with the therapist.
@@ems4884 A lot of my friends who've been sectioned have reported some scary things. My crisis was the direct result of discrimination and oppression I was experiencing as an autistic transwoman of colour. Everyone was trying to push behavioural approaches but that wouldn't have addressed the oppression I was experiencing. Now I have people in my life who recognise the oppression I was experiencing as wrong my mental health and belief in myself has improved.
Some Sickos working in those mental prisons, they enjoy the control over others.
I hope you stay well. There are organisations that can help you. Please look after yourself.
I agree that it is right to mistrust the NHS and Police when someone is in mental health crisis.
Why are people who have not been convicted of a crime in prison? How on earth can that happen?
CIA mind control warlocks military vs patients wallets credit cards
It shouldn’t matter whether a convicted crime has taken place
As the Prison Inspector said there is a lack of accountability and this has resulted in some people being held in prison for 1 year as no hospital place was said to be available. If we invested properly in mental health treatment we would need fewer prisons!
@@stephenbaxter3369 , exactly! And if we invested more in children’s welfare there would be less trauma and addictions to feed our mental health services. The funding model is UPSIDE DOWN.
I know a child molester who has been free for 3 years now. Living next door to you! CPS can't be bothered even though the evidence is there!
How this is not a national scandal?😮
Sad reality it's everywhere it could be your next door neighbor working with CIA
As with many serious issues it's all too easy to sweep under the carpet. Ultimately the Prime Minister is responsible and right now he is failing hundreds if not thousands of mentally ill people held in prison.
Because our government and most of the MSM want us distracted by the "small boat people", rather than focusing on how much of a state our country and services are in and who is responsible for that....
People forget that psychosis can happen to anyone. Leading to do very stupid things that leads to prisons
Illegal drugs can induce psychosis.
@@colleenpeck6347I suspect that is the main reason.
Prison is for criminals who have committed crimes not Mentally unwell people.
"It sounds like something from another century, really." I couldn't agree more. This is absolutely diabolical like almost everything in the UK ranging from sewage being released into waterways, pathetic sentences for criminals, overly long NHS waiting times and now mental health patients being locked up and treated as if they were people being sent to a Victorian workhouse. All the more highlighted by the difference in care afforded to Charles as compared with ordinary citizens. The goal should be that the healthcare system is so good that royal or not, the level of care be no different. Here in Japan, whilst there is a level of 'postcode lottery', you can actually be treated in an area where that hospital is best in a certain medical area and I can say that I have sat in the same waiting room as former Prime Minister Mori and I'm a very, very lowly and ordinary resident of this country. This is how the system should be. I should say that the Imperial Family have their own medical team and clinic, but they are the only ones and for certain treatments, they too use the same hospitals as everyone else.
It's the recreation of Asylums - they should be in hospital, psychiatric treatment has improved over the last 150 years. Now the Tories are bringing us back to the 19th century.
@@DG-ie5ipyou are already doing it right? Great advice.
Well, it is a prison. It's not meant to be a holiday camp. They're in there for punishment.
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw It stated in the video that some of the people hadn't been convicted of any crime and were there as a place of safety due to a lack of hospital beds. Surely these people don't need punishment!
Even for those who had been sentenced for a crime, the punishment is removal of their liberty, they are sent to prison as punishment rather than for punishment per se.
Of course !
The nhs is already overstretched, with very low or no staffing levels on secure psych wards. Without nursing apprenticeship being extended to dedicated health care assistants to train as nurses, then you are just exposing more pressure on nhs forensics mental health units.
Thankyou channel 4 for highlighting this issue especially showing that people's treatment is being delayed/withheld because you can't force someone to take medication in a prison setting.
This is cruel as it will prolong suffering, increase the damage done by the mental health issues and prolong the recovery. On an economic and humanity level it's just plain stupid.
It's the other way around as most university doctors degrees patients are not violent .
It's the staff who are violent like the hire Muslims, the hire Russian spys staff of hospital punching patients just cause their jealous of the mentalky ill
Reality
Videos like this should be busy strategy plan to return patients belongings
Reality life
Reality
The hire refugees staff at mental institutions
Sad reality
Once again we are left with one question. after 14 years of Tory government, where has all our money gone? We are paying the highest taxes in 70 years and yet there’s apparently soo little money that we are recreating Victorian insane asylums because we can’t afford hospital beds for desperately ill people in dire need. Where Is All Our Money?!
We are returning to Victorian Britain but worse!How many dementia patients are in Prison? That’s another story😟
There is no peace in this world.
Sadly Yes.
This is just shocking. I cannot believe the absolute state of this country
Yup, it’s shocking.
The police have got no right to be dealing with mental health issues .
The law is the law irrespective of mental health issues. However only about 2% of people with mental health issues ever become violent. Also you need to remember that drugs and alcohol come under the mental health umbrella.
This is exactly the kind of vicious situation you expect from a tory government
My God. That's horrific
Miscarriages of justice also cause distress
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Dont get me started on this subject hmp ranby back in 2002 had some very sick disturbed dangerous prisoners with serious mental health issues .the prison officers in hmp ranby would wind-up violent sick prisoners with mental health issues and watch them react like it was a cinema. The care system the school system and the prison system and racism and multiple trauma have made mental health so bad thank god for medications and therapy.
I have multiple mental health issues.
I spent the best part of half a day in a cell and it took the best part of a year to recover. I would not hang around if there was even a sniff of going in again.
This is the same media that's told us prisons are like holiday camps?
Depends on the jail and the attitude of the inmate. Some people make it harder for themselves and everyone else. Some people just get on with it.
@@techtinkerin regardless of the inmates attitude or the jail there kept in prison is nothing like a holiday camp and the media are irresponsible framing it as such.
this is shocking & unacceptable . Hope something is done very soon.
It's everywhere it could be your next door neighbor working with CIA mk ultra study people
It really sucks to have a mental illness. So few people will ever truly understand.
totally agree
Medicine stabilizes
It stables you
Please take your medicine always important
Make sure those evil doctors at mental institutions don't give you high high dosages like Michael Jackson
@@teresacastillo1783But that medicine have all side effects. It is very dangerous to consume that.
True. But not as bad as actual illnesses like cancer. Those can kill people.
Again we can find the conservative government for this😮
@@DG-ie5ipgo lick Tory boots a little bit more?
The main issue is Involuntary Servitude is cheaper than paying Min Wages - Capitalism is the driver.
In the United States, the Thirteenth Amendment forbade slavery and involuntary servitude, “except as punishment for crime"
In the United States, prisons can be privately owned.
Therefore, it is MUCH MUCH cheaper to pay prisoners 86-93 cents per hour, as opposed to min wage ($7.25 USD per hour)
You make MORE money, if you have MORE prisoners.
Why not arrest people for possession of a plant? There are people in the states serving prison sentences for marijuana, in states where marijuana possession is now legal.
Marijuana is legal in your state - why are you in jail? For possessing marijuana a few years ago...Yeah you are a slave. Just say you are a slave.
How else are you going to have slaves?
It's a lot cheaper to pick fruits and vegetables and press license plates when you only pay your slave 86 cents an hour.
Min wage = $7.25
Prison Wage = 86-93 cents
One min wage "human" is the equivalent to 8.4 "slaves"
What's the main issue again? What would you rather have 2 people working for you with "rights" or 16.9 slaves doing the exact same work? AND you can punish your slave since they are already in prison.
This is Britain’s Arkham Asylum from Batman.
...are you a CIA pimps
CIA are only known to be CIA pumps
CIA are only to be CIA pimps
Not type pumps see how app tries to correct me and states I type otherwise
So disgusting shame on the government
😢 How sad
And that’s supposed to be housing- incredible how when someone is diagnosed with something they lose their right to be a human being but a number to monetise in a jail prison cell like an animal put through torture in experiments mentally and physically restrained against their will.
It's the staff to blame most of the time
The problem starts in the schools. Mentally ill children attacking TA's and Teaching assistants, and the meds to help them aren't available. Meanwhile education professionals leave, because of the stress.
Psych nurses aren't much better in hospital
I worked in mental this is discusting
Condolences to the families of people were ultimately let down by mental health professionals and homes.
With the benefit of hindsight, I sincerely hope that lessons will be learned this time and mental health safety procedures will be reviewed thoroughly and vigorously to ensure that this doesn't occur again. Resolve and meaningful dialogue, not the usual lip service given by conveyor belt, opportunistic career politicians or useless councillors
I generally don’t think it’s mental health professionals letting people down, it’s an issue with the system.
The government needs to invest more in mental health. Children should be educated about mental health in secondary schools. I do feel for the prison system because how do the people working in there know the people are genuinely. Having mental health issues. And not faking it
We would never treat patients like this discusting😮😢
Everything is broken because of the tories
Primitive. Englands gone feral thanks to torys.
not only is it not good for those with mental heath ,but also for others working there or in there because of crime .as some these people with mental illness are very dangerous
Some are vulnerable as well
We know what they are doing, and its being watched.
Labour will sort it out and make it worse!
Wow
Closed wards are not much different.
It is one of the worst thing one can do to traumatized human beings who need love: freedom, attunement, relational healing, spiritual healing, physical healing, emotional healing, mental healing.
Please don't forget what the criminal did to end up in prison.Not all mentally ill people go to prison.Some mentally ill people live a honest life. The judge who put the person in the mental health prison did an assessment and investing the crimes committed . Also looked at the victim of the criminal act. They are there for a reason.
Behold! The tory economic miracle!
Hi I have storey to share it's very very important about my uncle in prison now. i need help him other wise am gonna loose hem he safer from saver menal helth issue. Any one can help him to be transferred from h prison to an hospital. They want us to wait for 4-6 month to find a psychiatrist and with agin 2 month to provide the report.
Let’s face it: we are all born a rock spinning at 1,000mph around a nuclear furnace 93,000 million miles away and, as far as it seems, it’s random, we’re just here and we might not be here at any point. Given this knowledge, I’m amazed to meet people who _don’t_ have mental health problems.
Lol. Interesting perspective.
We are a very very flawed species.
Earth is flat, bro.
Shadow Lizard government doesn't want you to know.
They melted your brain with chem trails.
I'm gonna go pray to Allah so you may see the error of your way ❤
Let's spend all our taxes on Mr Z and his friends, rather than fix the desperate state this country is in perhaps?
What a want to know is a person who has a mental condition. If prison isn’t the right place, residential units are full and hospitals are full, we’re are we meant to put them? As it’s crystal clear there’s no money for new facilities and they can’t be let out as they are a danger to society. What are we meant to do? That’s what I want to know
The PM gets money and weapons to send to Ukraine and Israel. Why can't he spend it on these urgent issues?
Oh, I forgot. Unless his wife does not invest in such business or enrich any Tories, then it is not worth doing.
It is like we are living in Africa or India, where every politician is corrupt.
Not all politicians in Africa are corrupt and the leaders who aren't are assassinated by the West.
It was the Tories fault for the bad state of prisons and mental health wards by cost cutting.
illigol
A policeman once called me mental case
If their offences are the result of mental illness and they often are then what are they doing in prison to begin with? They need their mental health to be cared for and I don’t think a spell in jail will do that at all. It will just make the problem worse. Facts told straight.
Because there are not enough spaces in the mental hospitals, they are throwing them in prison instead!
What are you supposed to do with these people? They're trapped in the prisons of their own minds.
They can't be left to wander, they can't be tranquilised.
What do you do?
Oh well
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I AM 22 BUT have developmental and intellectual disabilities to the point where I have the mind of a child. I can definitely be taken advantage of, and HAVE been manipulated, it’s really scary. I’m deemed in need of high support, I can’t get a job, I’m deemed non consenting, I don’t really have the capability to make choices for myself, I’m basically a kid. How I view the modern world is how a child would, I cant grasp super complicated subjects, i can’t cook, I can’t clean, on top of a whole other bunch of stuff that non disabled people take for granted, I like cartoons, I have meltdowns, I like Lego, toys, comic books, sweets, I still believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny (although nowadays watching cartoons are becoming less and less of a niesh I've noticed) I live with my mother who i'd be lost without, im asexual so i don't even WANT to partake in those types of acts with anyone. However mind you, little kids can get crushes too, their just different from adult or even teenage crushes, my first crush was a girl I knew on my street when I was 8, the reason I liked her was because we both liked Lego. It certainly wasn’t sexual or anything like that, it was just a crush I didn’t understand. Even now when I have a crush on someone it’s always in a very non sexual childlike way, I just wanna play with Lego and watch movies and be their for each other. I hate that autism to some people is just “special interest hehe quirky” when their exists autistic people who’s life are ACTUALLY negatively affected by it. Ive seen some kids learn something as a 12 year old but i cant even begin to comprehend it, My father abused me my entire life, he punched me and strangled me when he was angry, he alienated everyone in his family and even when I was diagnosed at age 12 he STILL didn’t even believe I had autism. Not to mention my Christian school would target me for bullying and targeted harassment because they knew I was too timid to tell giving me life long trauma, then had the gull to try and kick me out so they didn’t have to deal with me, which my father blamed me for, My mother eventually had the sense to throw my dad out of the house, which of course he blamed her for. He went on to start a brand new family to replace me. Yeah I had my nana who always cared and mom who did her best with her crappy circumstances so I at least had some resemblance of a support system.
Anybody watched Grave Encounters?
nothign shock me about government workers lol
Everything going down since Conservative Party is in control.
Is it true that a person who lives in a group home for the mentally ill ( Denham Place )and has committed a murder is then assessed by three psychiatrists ? If one Psychiatrist finds the person to be sane then he is sent to prison and not a secure hospital ? This is what happened ( I am told ) to a man called Zac from Cambridge after strangling a house resident. He spent most of his time hidden under his bedding in his room and the staff at his home knew that he was extremely mentally ill, He had also lost both his parents due to drug addiction.Why was he sent to prison ? Please would a psychologist look into his case, he was in Norwich prison and this happened in 2019.
30 days in armley prison did my head right in , a day in there feels likes three days outside . Locked ina toilet with a another dude and a bunk beds two hard chairs and a table packed in a tiny cell for 23 hours a day's and all day Saturday and Sunday with a salad sandwich for Sunday dinner / tea . It's one big boring head f##k .. and I only did 30 days and I think they let me out two days early because no release on the weekend so let you out Friday if your release day is a weekend day . That was 2010 and I still have awful dreams that am back in there . I wake up and realise am at home and it was a dream my mind is flooded with relt that it just a dream . But the effect is real to the mind and body because my heart beat is racing untill the reality comes that am home ,,,, chill .
UK creaks at the seams
It’s sad when a government falls short in taking care of its most vulnerable citizens while paying attention to a very far away war zones!
Not sure prisoners are the most vulnerable.
@@RogerMellie-yk3gw some of them yes
Nutritional deficiencies
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Ah yes, our cousins across the pond are catching up to the US it is then.
😮
Man thinks he's in a submarine not a prison, he's having a great time.
Shocking all the while asylum seekers in luxury hotels our most vulnerable are put to this!
and jumping the nhs queue
Asylum seekers are mostly running away from war, prisoners are mostly ppl who had it all but chose to harm others... get your head straight.. poor comparison
@roni2977 Did you not watch the video? They stated that even if the person had not committed a crime they'd be placed here under the mental health act. Let's not forget that many in prison are for trivial issues, not violence. And no, "asylum seekers" are mostly economic migrants who pass through many safe countries before getting here.
Theys always one..that has to link everything at fault with the uk on asylum seekers.
Didn't rain today.....yep its the asylum seekers fault.
How about you vote in people that will help the country in all areas because whether the asylum seekers come or not we still have cost of living....foreign wars...lack of mentle health care the list goes on
Most asylum seekers have enough money in their homes to pay the smugglers thousands to come here. Geniune asylum seekers never make it here.
What made them vulnerable in the first place? First class destitution with no potential in life is a major factor. As a white male diagnosed with psychosis in my early 20s, I've been through those loops. It's not a nice place to be and now I see more people in a deeper hole than what I was. I now see my friends being hit with the same thing 10 years on. While I was deemed crazy I now believe that actually I was absolutely correct in my assertions that they were trying to kill me.
This is what happens when a right wing party is in charge . Britain is s state.
Charities dickens party
A casual stroll through the lunatic asylum shows that faith proves nothing.
I'm the first person watching this video thanks 😂
Too many things wrong with this, but also causality. Dysfunctional soceity is made of dysfuctional families. I am sure there are parallels in root causes of these mental issues.
...do you work for the government??
@@teresacastillo1783NAW
The truth no one wants to hear.
@@teresacastillo1783 i work for myself.
Because they never arrived via boat...
Or via Ukraine? 😏
@@2760db 🙄
@@TheMasterblaster32 of course they're exempt because they're white devout Christians 🥲🥲🥲
People with these issues do need help but if there are no beds then prison is an option to keep these people away from the public.
Unfortunately the UK government at this time are more concerned with keeping the illegal immigrants happy.
The UK government are the problem. They always have been.
Your votes are stopping these people getting help.
And that situation may get worse. I lived and worked in the Middle East where I notice a high incidence of mental health issues, birth defects and disability. Further research revealed that this is due to the marrying of first cousins which is permitted under Islam . Jordan has actually outlawed the practice which has also resulted in the average IQ being only 82.
The blood stains on the floor un a women's prison? Someone was having het period! 😆
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