My grandad fought in Korea, as a naval gunner. He used to routinely tell me about his first encounter with a Russian Mig-15 or similar, and the shock on their faces of the speed and maneuverability of it. He really, really badly wanted to shoot it down but they had orders to just observe. His ship rescued a downed American B-29 crew, and became pen pals with the captain. But he also had terrible stories of bodies in rivers, seamines bumping against his ship, etc. He agreed like so many others its deemed a "Forgotten" War. Nobody really talks about it. It was full of American and Communist atrocity.
He should be proud. He helped secure the South’s survival in the face of aggression and it became an economic and cultural powerhouse with rock solid ties while the north turned into a rotting dead fish on china’s doorstep.
Mig-15s or communist aircraft were under strict orders in not flying over the seas around Korea, since there's big risk of US aircraft reinforcement coming from the carriers off shore or UN ships gunning down Mig-15s with their AAA, it's very rare to see Mig-15s heading or flying over the sea, since they would immediately turn back, that's the most preferred tactic of the underpowered UN aircraft to just fly over the sea and keep it that way and the chasing aircraft would turn back. I know this cause my great great uncle flew F4U Corsair in Korea from USS Boxer and met prowling Mig-15s over Korea, but they were too late to pounce on the vulnerable and slower Corsairs and when the Corsairs are over the water the Migs would immediately fly back.
My grandfather served in the M60. The only story he ever talked about was when he became of age in a foxhole. I wish I could've asked about it before he passed
@@iwantcoconutv2877 you realize ICBMS DON"T FUCKING EXIST BACK THEN? how the fuck are you going to deliver a nuke to china when they have air defences all over and the us has no nearby bases to secure a launch?
Later in the Video Tommy realizes its much more complicated. Truman was the president. The same president who had dropped nukes on Japan. Russia had stolen the nuclear secrets and may have had a bomb of their own. Truman was an elected representative of the American people, who were tired of war! My parents told me how they worried my dad would need to serve in Korea. He was a ww2 vet. MacArthur openly contradicted the president a number of times to the press. Truman fired him! For good reason. In America the civil government is superior to the military! Its a mechanism to ensure our freedom. Korea was the first American limited war.
I'm genuinely curious if the number of atomic casualties would be equal to, greater than, or less than the former and aubsequent Kim regimes. Atomic bombs [not to be confused with hydrogen/plutonium bombs] were in the kilotons range at the time, compared to the dozens of megatons range we see today. They also don't have the fallout people think they do, it's quite minimal as far as longterm impact [Japan for example has no real issues from Little Boy and Fat Man bombings].
The Korean War in the US is often labeled the "Forgotten War". It's a shame more people don't know about what went on in this war and how important it was to modern geopolitics.
Everyone learns about the war of 1812. I’m certain most people don’t remember much about it tho because absolutely no objectives for either side were achieved outside of the Brits burning the White House.
I think the US had upgraded their nukes from atomic bombs to hydrogen bombs by then. If MacArthur had nuked China, the radiation would leave a large area uninhabitable for a long while. Possibly still uninhabitable to this day.
@@agentorange9867 yes and no the repercussion could have changed the world the usage of nuclear weapon could have lead to a mainstream use of them moving into conventional weapon and could have probably make Vietnam go into a full on nuclear exchange the only think stopping us to use them is the fear it intel to be the first one the one leading to total nuclear war
the united states didn't even have a fully working icbm until many years later, also the soviets and china had anti air defenses. there was zero way the nuke could have been delivered to china. not to mention the usa didn't even have more than 3 nukes at the time
General MacArthur was also singularly responsible for keeping the US military segregated. While the military was officially desegregated in 1948, MacArthur would refuse to integrate any units while he lead the military. The man that replaced him, Ridgeway, was openly pro-integration and called for integration of units, but that wouldn't start taking effect in Korea until 1953.
^amerimutt bootlicker above me who doesn't realize that both Koreas were (and may still be) quasi-dictatorships with authoritarian leaders in charge and no practical difference
@@vemarjag1098 I apologize on behalf of you. In Korea, extremist ideas are now at the forefront and there are still forces that follow fascists. History and denial exist.
Video narrator: This is why the American troops are under equipped with obsolete weapons. Tommy 3 minutes later: I thought the Americans were technologically super advanced? why are they loosing?
MacArthur never pressured president Truman to use Nukes on North Korean soil. Truman publicly stated that he MacArthur wanted to use them and was made to recant it due to it being knowingly false. He admitted to it being his opinion of what he thought MacArthur wanted. Moreover MacArthur never was “insubordinate” under military law according to the Joint Chiefs of staff at the time since MacArthur never disobeyed the orders given to him in the war. He was fired for basically speaking publicly on governmental policy as a military officer which went against a presidential order on that very thing.
8:30 I could be wrong but Mercenaries are treated like partisans or guerrilla fighters (irregular forces) in that they not regular army units means they are not covered by the Geneva convention thus if they're captured then they can't legally be granted any protections therefore they can legally be tortured and/or killed in addition to be being starved with no basic prison rights. So mercenaries and partisans can be used in warfare but it's not recommended as they cannot be protected by any legal protections as their existence is a violation of the Geneva convention (depending on how the Mercenaries are used of course) and of course both are not recommended as they can easily complicate and rapidly yet unnecessarily accelerate perfectly preventable horrific situations in a war/s.
There is a great documentary made in the late 1980s that has interviews with American and South Korean vets but also somehow North Korean vets living in North Korea and one Chinese vet
Funfact is that China was ultra undergeared and diddnt had alot of weapons and aircraft. They were still building up at that time to establish a proper army. Yet the US bombed chinese territory behind the Yalu river. Mao and stalin had alot of conversations about that and Mao felt that the US/UN keeps going. For them the only chance to dismiss such thoughts was to help the Koreans. All this troops were volunteers btw and Maos son literally went in aswell, i think he died even there. Anyways, the US feared china for well over 100 years now because of their population and when they modernize and challenge the US's hegemony.
there is also a quite good documentary from CGN ( yes ikik chinese state media but its well done and literally has nearly 0 propaganda) Called "Enemy at our doorstep" it explains how and why the chinese moved in, its quite interesting seeing it from the other side.
@@rbb.828the difference is you’ll get some freedom seeds dropped on your head before you even know the challenge was accepted. Don’t fuck with America, unless you wanna find out.
Back in 2014 indy started a week by week covering of "The Great war" the first world war. and its fucking awsome. there is a second world war coverage and the inter war period too. If you want ALL the details about these Masive events there is no better presentation. the channel name is World War Two and The Great War! Have fun.
Dude the technology China had during the war was basically 0, the poverty rate of China was like 88% at that time and still managed to force a retreat.😂
ehhh yea china spammed infantry .. though ofc usa took that a one step and called the tryhards of infantry aka the turks now ofc there is also phialpeins * sorry i am bad at englısh ik i pronaunced it wrong * but they basically pulled a gta and stole chinese tanks + they were more of an armored company infantry speaking it was mainly us who managed to defend while others retrated to resupply ..if you want proof as much as i doubt we are remembered but you can try to search us up .. dont forget about the philaphines though they were literally flanking and stealing tanks like crazy really based philaphines armored division behavior
This is a stupid comment that must be corrected even a year later. China had experienced troops that fought in world war 2 and the Chinese civil war. They were also trained and armed by the Soviet Union. They were a formidable opponent fighting on their backyard and the myths about human waves need to die. It's borderline racist.
If a “Second Korean War” breaks out tomorrow… the North would get smacked even before US troops start arriving. The most technologically advanced Aircraft they have is a single squadron of MiG-29’s they got in the 90’s. The rest are MiG-21’s (or the Chinesium copy), MiG-19’s and MiG-15’s. ROKAF operates F-16’s, F-15’s, F-35’s, indigenous designed light fighters in addition to the Vintage F-5’s for Light ground attack roles. The war won’t be very good for South Korea economically, and Seoul would get shelled (the damage is always overestimated, as only Rocket Assisted projectiles can reach the urban centers). The North Korean SAM networks are also exclusively old soviet crap. North Korea’s most modern tank is a stretched an Elongated T-62 with a 125mm 2A46 (or Chinese equivalent) and some bolted on Composite armor with ERA. Does have a CITV for the commander and a laser rangefinder.+Gunners thermals. These are likely to be Gen 2. They don’t have many of these either. South Korea has upwards of a thousand K1 (based off the XM1 design) K1A1 (Upgraded with a 120mm main gun and several other improvements, similar to M1A1) and now the K2 Black Panther. Which is one of the best MBT’s in the world. 120mm L/55, 3rd Gen Therms for both Gunner and Commander. Hydro pneumatic suspension and many other improvements that put it well above every North Korean tank. They also have waaaaayyyy more of them than North Korea. This isn’t even mentioning Morale, the fact that many NK soldiers are already starving and almost non-existent Officer corp and logistics on the NK side. Their only hope is China… and even China isn’t interested in dealing with another war and would likely force Kim to retreat behind the DMZ. That’s why, if North Korea manages to start fielding nukes… we should set up a Nuke sharing program with South Korea until they can manage to produce and field their own. North Korea is the last “country” you would want to see get their hands on Nukes… as they are unpredictable, extremely brainwashed and likely national-y suicidal.
For what use is intelligence services, if peter muskrat volunteer army from fucking youtube knows both sides forces in autistic detail? Also, "DPRK literally 1984" lmao, they are suicidal starving brainwashed orcs waaaaaaaaaah what are the bad guys gonna do with nukes :(( Apparently, this is what learning geopolitics from HOI4 does to you
LOL keep coping, best korea could annihilate seoul within minutes. and they have nukes as well. even the pentagon admits they have nuke capabilities to strike the usa at this point
Funilly enough about private armies, At one point in history, Pepsi co. (yes, the sofdrink company) had one of the largest navies in the world after the soviets paid them with ships and subs instead of cash for soda lol
My grandfather was deployed in the immediate aftermath of Korea as a marine sharpshooter, it was no joke that many thought the ceasefire was just a ceasefire. He used to tell a story about being in the watchtower one night and seeing something in the brush. He screamed at it to come out 3 times. He shot it. As the shadow fell from the bush it let out a, 'mooooooooo...'. He had to pay the farmer who lost their cow the next morning and had no pocket change for R&R in Japan.
It may be that I am suffering from a Mandela effect, but I think that Tommy once in one of his Imagine moments said what the world would be like if MacArthur had used nuclear bombs on China. That is to say that he already saw a video of the Korean war, or not?
China did not mobilize its national almost strength to fight in the Korean War. It only sent volunteers to participate in the war. them were experienced in combat. Most of the supplies were provided by the Soviet Union. The United States did not dare to nuclear attack it against China because the Soviet Union had nuclear weapons can strike back. I used to hear from my history teacher in class that he had an American friend who also participated in the Korean War. China used the tactics of wave of people to continuously charge the US line. In the machine gun positions, he kept changing guns and fired to repel hundreds of attacks in the morning until the evening. That's insane.
the entire reason on why y all had the largest casualties was bc y all decided to retreat fast as fuck when y all saw them chinese hordes also speaking you guys took a while to call in the allies like the nato itself philaphenes turkey y know y all kinda got cocky and thought you could beat em alone ... it costed ya though didnt it ?
For info the Americans weren’t the only one like my great grandfather fought in the korea in the Belgian army but they were badly equipped with practically no supplies just for info
not CIA agent, but 'wEsT CIviLiZAtiOn pAtRoLlEr'. We should be thankful that germany now is a peaceful democratic nation, otherwise tommy would 120% become a loyal member of nazi party, and i mean it.
Animated History teaches more about history and makes it way more interesting than schools. I love history and it sucked that in school we glossed over a lot of important events that help my country become a true nation of its own, not just another colony of the commonwealth.
Companies did build armies in the past, its what merc companies were. And if your gonna say "oh, well nowadays it would be Amazon, their rich, its different", not really, these companies were usually created by either banks or traders, and they sometimes controlled more wealth and manpower than entire nations and their standing armies. And despite popular belief, not, they didn't only make money from war, they also helped with projects by the feudal government and were paid by the crown, sometimes these armies even became standing armies. Can you imagine if the US army was sponsored by Amazon, that's how powerful these companies used to be.
My grandfather was an army veteran of the Pacific Theater and fought in the Korean War. My dad, who later fought in Vietnam, was living in Seoul on a US military base as a little kid when the war broke out (they lived on base in Frankfurt before that). He and my grandmother were sent back to the US and settled in El Paso, Texas on a military base there. My grandpa went deaf in his right ear from how many communists he and his buddies lit up with their Howitzer artillery cannon. He died long before I was born, but his grave is on base near Ft. Worth, Texas. The man lived on battlefields so its only fitting he'd be buried on military ground. He died from lung cancer, but even as a pack a day smoker, I guarantee you he smoked more commies than cigarettes thanks to Korea.
My grandfather served in the Korean War, obviously never spoke about it or really opened up about it until the day he died. They were an ammo truck driver, also working at the motor-pool in the DMZ (or the zone which would become it). What really adds on to it all is my grandfather was a conscientious objector, never carried a gun. One fathers day as I'm at a museum with my old man he opened up about my grandfather. Told me that one night at his FOB or what have you, grandpa caught a PLA soldier (likely a scout) trying to sneak beyond the wire, so in a moment of fear and responsibility he snuck forward to where the scout was behind a tree and strangled him against it with a piece of fencing. He got an award for it from his CO the next day. Something he never told my father until his later years, that info was only passed on to me since grandpa has been gone since the 1980s. Poor poor man
One of the most insane things that happened in the korean war was the philippines, they kept flanking the chinese and stole their tanks, then won an outnumbered battle in yultong with only 1,000 philippine soldiers against 40,000 enemy soldiers, sht was like something the Taskforce 141 would do
The German army got 100billion euro onetime budget, which wasnt nearly enough to even get all the basic necesseties for the army. So i think a billionaire with 100billuon wouldnt donthat much
Well it can even the odds by costing them all future ambitions, kinda like russia today. The korea war put a heavy price of life on the chinese army, seeing end of many veteran units. The event was so devasting that it is believe it cost the chinese the war against vietnam.
@@rarescevei8268 I don't know what logic your getting at, all I state was that cost of the korea war for the Chinese had influence on them for the Vietnam war and the loss there.
You know if the American failed in their landing in the south Korea, there's a possibility that Korea would be united and the south will lead the north in some kind of revolution after the fall of the Soviet, though I can't say for certain that China would just sit down and watch their last communist allied crumbled under revolution, but same thing would happen to Japan, I don't think they will just sit down with the possibility to help and be friend the dagger that pointed right into their island
@@chaosXP3RTWhat he said is true. If the landing failed, the UN would have suffered large losses, and the North MIGHT, and I say MIGHT have united Korea. But either way, it would have expanded a lot. Also wdym he hates americans? It was a UN coalition, not a US army
my grandfather was in the 24th infantry division codename the gimlets they were the first to step on korean land and pushed to the 38th parallel he survived he died to cancer at the age of 72 i have black and white photos that he had taken of the cities tanks etc
Old but a funny thing I saw is that apparently a North Korean propaganda account actually got mad at this video and called it western propaganda, Armchair Historian on Kim’s sights now lol.
Also the people in America have already been protesting to end the war in Korea because nobody want to send their children to die from a continent away for those asians.
6:30 "South Korea got wrecked by underequipped Norks". Is this guy dumb? Why has this narrative spread that NORKS were underequipped? SK had no tanks, no anti tanks and were severely less equipped and had much less manpower than North Korea.
They had tanks and anti tank weapons, problem was that at the initial phase of the war, South Korean response was extremeley slow. However, yes, the North Koreans were not underequipped
@@불루재이They were not underequipped, the forces that did meet the North were. And with their retreat, the tanks they had were captured and the AT couldnt be used as they had no time to establish defensive lines.
Its funny tommy brings up russias veto for a Ukraine intervention since the korean war only happened since the soviets were protesting the UN and the security council got it through with them absent
Imagine storming Normandy to stop the Germans from stopping the soviets, and then a few years later storming the beaches of Korea to stop the soviets lol. Prolly should have let the Germans take care of the soviets and then just negotiated peace after that, and avoided the entire Cold War lol.
Imagine being nazi stormtrooper. Figting commies during ww2. Sitting in jail and then fighting for west in korea , middle east and vietnam. true story btw .
Cold War; Iron Curtain mod includes korean war but I'd steer from it. The game kept crashing when I zoom in on the conflict, probably all the volunteer armies in one place
The reason china did so well during the war was cause the US and allies genuinely believed china would not get involved and all of a sudden they crossed the border launching an insane surprise attack outnumbering and overwhelming US and south Korean forces. South Korean lines broke , threating to encircle American and other forces so the entire allied force had to fall back. After that it basically became a stale mate of American tech versus Chinese numbers.
@@익명-q6xNo. The chinese forces that entered North Korea were in numbers of 300000. Reinforcements entered later. The stalemate took place when both sides were at around 700000 soilders, with the UN slightly outnumbering China. You are comparing the end of war Chinese forces with the UN forces at around the middle of the war. China was outnumbered initially
The massive stockpile of guns, trucks, tanks, and airplanes the USA produced during WW2 was either sold, discarded, or not maintained. Cost-saving measures included huge drawdown in manpower. Veterans went back home, used the GI Bill to start a new life. The US units from Japan who initially landed in Korea were untrained, under-equipped, and not expecting war. The US wasn’t politically prepared for another mobilization. The workers unions went on strike, refusing to work longer for less pay during “peacetime.” Lack of steel greatly impacted the production of artillery shells and vehicles. The countries who supported South Korea each brought different weapons, which compounded logistical problems. The lessons of Korea led to NATO standardizing its weapons. It also created the military-industrial complex in the USA, for better or worse. Also top US generals learned not to oppose the executive branch after seeing Gen. MacArthur get sacked, which would affect how the Vietnam War and future wars were waged.
I love seeing hoi4 players think they know better than actual soldiers 😂
Of course we know more, regular soldiers don’t even know the meta
Do soldiers know how to build 40 wirdth tank divisions???
Tommy is a soldier tho, he served in the German military
@@CRENOKOGOD that doesnt mean much
@@CRENOKOGODright... that could be more significant, going to be honest.
My grandad fought in Korea, as a naval gunner. He used to routinely tell me about his first encounter with a Russian Mig-15 or similar, and the shock on their faces of the speed and maneuverability of it. He really, really badly wanted to shoot it down but they had orders to just observe. His ship rescued a downed American B-29 crew, and became pen pals with the captain. But he also had terrible stories of bodies in rivers, seamines bumping against his ship, etc. He agreed like so many others its deemed a "Forgotten" War. Nobody really talks about it. It was full of American and Communist atrocity.
He should be proud. He helped secure the South’s survival in the face of aggression and it became an economic and cultural powerhouse with rock solid ties while the north turned into a rotting dead fish on china’s doorstep.
Mig-15s or communist aircraft were under strict orders in not flying over the seas around Korea, since there's big risk of US aircraft reinforcement coming from the carriers off shore or UN ships gunning down Mig-15s with their AAA, it's very rare to see Mig-15s heading or flying over the sea, since they would immediately turn back, that's the most preferred tactic of the underpowered UN aircraft to just fly over the sea and keep it that way and the chasing aircraft would turn back. I know this cause my great great uncle flew F4U Corsair in Korea from USS Boxer and met prowling Mig-15s over Korea, but they were too late to pounce on the vulnerable and slower Corsairs and when the Corsairs are over the water the Migs would immediately fly back.
@@ramal5708 Yeah that's pretty much right, if I recall it was a case of "we heard it, couldnt see it, then saw it as it left" or something similar.
My grandfather served in the M60. The only story he ever talked about was when he became of age in a foxhole. I wish I could've asked about it before he passed
this man's understanding of warfare, international politics and history is truly um... "elementary" to put it nicely
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You'd think with the amount of videos he's seen like this he'd have learned the basics of all that but no...
these are the type of people of r/noncredibledefense.
I think Tommy still knows more than the average person you meet on the street
@@sharpasacueball true but he is definitely not a sweaty military tactics, international politics, geopolitics and history guru
Video: "McArthur wanted to nuke Korea"
Tommy: "I'm with McArthur here"
Bro💀
Why he so bloodlust
@@emmiesevillana459 nuc at the time din't see as a weapon of destruction it's just weapon of military
@@iwantcoconutv2877 you realize ICBMS DON"T FUCKING EXIST BACK THEN? how the fuck are you going to deliver a nuke to china when they have air defences all over and the us has no nearby bases to secure a launch?
Later in the Video Tommy realizes its much more complicated. Truman was the president. The same president who had dropped nukes on Japan. Russia had stolen the nuclear secrets and may have had a bomb of their own. Truman was an elected representative of the American people, who were tired of war! My parents told me how they worried my dad would need to serve in Korea. He was a ww2 vet. MacArthur openly contradicted the president a number of times to the press. Truman fired him! For good reason. In America the civil government is superior to the military! Its a mechanism to ensure our freedom. Korea was the first American limited war.
I'm genuinely curious if the number of atomic casualties would be equal to, greater than, or less than the former and aubsequent Kim regimes.
Atomic bombs [not to be confused with hydrogen/plutonium bombs] were in the kilotons range at the time, compared to the dozens of megatons range we see today. They also don't have the fallout people think they do, it's quite minimal as far as longterm impact [Japan for example has no real issues from Little Boy and Fat Man bombings].
The Korean War in the US is often labeled the "Forgotten War". It's a shame more people don't know about what went on in this war and how important it was to modern geopolitics.
What about the war of 1812?
Everyone learns about the war of 1812. I’m certain most people don’t remember much about it tho because absolutely no objectives for either side were achieved outside of the Brits burning the White House.
"At this point America has nukes and Russia doesn't right?"
Yeah MacArthur had some ideas along them lines
I think the US had upgraded their nukes from atomic bombs to hydrogen bombs by then. If MacArthur had nuked China, the radiation would leave a large area uninhabitable for a long while. Possibly still uninhabitable to this day.
Incredibly based ideas
@@agentorange9867 yes and no the repercussion could have changed the world the usage of nuclear weapon could have lead to a mainstream use of them moving into conventional weapon and could have probably make Vietnam go into a full on nuclear exchange the only think stopping us to use them is the fear it intel to be the first one the one leading to total nuclear war
the united states didn't even have a fully working icbm until many years later, also the soviets and china had anti air defenses.
there was zero way the nuke could have been delivered to china.
not to mention the usa didn't even have more than 3 nukes at the time
Soviets had nukes tho
bro really said "but in hoi4"
12:07 a FPS set in the Korean War would be pretty sick.
No idea why one hasn't been made. Instead COD would rather make 50 "modern warfare" games.
I hope it actually shows atrocities that Korean government was doing to their own citizens during the war as well... It was pretty fucked.
General MacArthur was also singularly responsible for keeping the US military segregated. While the military was officially desegregated in 1948, MacArthur would refuse to integrate any units while he lead the military. The man that replaced him, Ridgeway, was openly pro-integration and called for integration of units, but that wouldn't start taking effect in Korea until 1953.
My grandfather is a Korean war vet. He is in his mid 90s.
God Bless Him for helping maintain democracy and fighting against a Authoritarian Dictatorship 🙏
@@darwinisticanarchist2335 At that time both koreas were dictatorships
^amerimutt bootlicker above me who doesn't realize that both Koreas were (and may still be) quasi-dictatorships with authoritarian leaders in charge and no practical difference
Mine too, was 92 when he passed away
hope hes doing well. :)
Tommy pay attention to the video challenge
In Denmark, we have a song about a medical boat that served in the Korean war :) Somewhat a banger
I remember singing that in the morning some days at school when i lived in Denmark. Wasn’t the ships name Jutlandia or something like that?
Denmark didn't even participate lol It was only U.S.A and Canada UK Austraila those anglo people. Not Europeans
@@익명-q6x So UK is not in europe? And France,Belgium, Turkey, Greece and more took part. If your korean how do you not know that?
@@vemarjag1098 I apologize on behalf of you. In Korea, extremist ideas are now at the forefront and there are still forces that follow fascists. History and denial exist.
@@vemarjag1098 they did not send soldiers. USA played a big role. other countries didn't help as much as USA
0:50 The movies name is "We were soldiers", i recommend you give it a watch if you haven't.
"We were Soldiers once, and Young."
@@johnnotrealname8168 thats the book
@@Schmungar01 That is also a quote from the film.
Great film
Video narrator: This is why the American troops are under equipped with obsolete weapons.
Tommy 3 minutes later: I thought the Americans were technologically super advanced? why are they loosing?
MacArthur never pressured president Truman to use Nukes on North Korean soil. Truman publicly stated that he MacArthur wanted to use them and was made to recant it due to it being knowingly false. He admitted to it being his opinion of what he thought MacArthur wanted.
Moreover MacArthur never was “insubordinate” under military law according to the Joint Chiefs of staff at the time since MacArthur never disobeyed the orders given to him in the war. He was fired for basically speaking publicly on governmental policy as a military officer which went against a presidential order on that very thing.
Did he really miss the nuke bit?
Yes. Twitch chat distracted him like the scum they are.
Where's the Philippine Flag, we had troops in this war as well
Tommy in this video was trippin lol
8:30 I could be wrong but Mercenaries are treated like partisans or guerrilla fighters (irregular forces) in that they not regular army units means they are not covered by the Geneva convention thus if they're captured then they can't legally be granted any protections therefore they can legally be tortured and/or killed in addition to be being starved with no basic prison rights.
So mercenaries and partisans can be used in warfare but it's not recommended as they cannot be protected by any legal protections as their existence is a violation of the Geneva convention (depending on how the Mercenaries are used of course) and of course both are not recommended as they can easily complicate and rapidly yet unnecessarily accelerate perfectly preventable horrific situations in a war/s.
There is a great documentary made in the late 1980s that has interviews with American and South Korean vets but also somehow North Korean vets living in North Korea and one Chinese vet
Don’t let McArthur get a 20 kill streak.
I stole this comment. It is now mine….
Funfact is that China was ultra undergeared and diddnt had alot of weapons and aircraft. They were still building up at that time to establish a proper army. Yet the US bombed chinese territory behind the Yalu river. Mao and stalin had alot of conversations about that and Mao felt that the US/UN keeps going. For them the only chance to dismiss such thoughts was to help the Koreans. All this troops were volunteers btw and Maos son literally went in aswell, i think he died even there. Anyways, the US feared china for well over 100 years now because of their population and when they modernize and challenge the US's hegemony.
there is also a quite good documentary from CGN ( yes ikik chinese state media but its well done and literally has nearly 0 propaganda) Called "Enemy at our doorstep" it explains how and why the chinese moved in, its quite interesting seeing it from the other side.
amerimutts keep coping that they lost to rice farmers and goat herders, and back then lost to under geared chinese soldiers without any airsupport.
What’s the difference in challenging US hegemony and enlarging communist hegemony?
@@semiramisubw4864if the Chinese Communist Party says a documentary they made doesn’t have propaganda… it literally IS propaganda.
@@rbb.828the difference is you’ll get some freedom seeds dropped on your head before you even know the challenge was accepted. Don’t fuck with America, unless you wanna find out.
Back in 2014 indy started a week by week covering of "The Great war" the first world war. and its fucking awsome. there is a second world war coverage and the inter war period too. If you want ALL the details about these Masive events there is no better presentation. the channel name is World War Two and The Great War! Have fun.
The interwar period is also covered very well by them, although headed by a different host
i watch this channel you mentioned 22:40 it really awesome and inlighting this guy know his stuff
Dude the technology China had during the war was basically 0, the poverty rate of China was like 88% at that time and still managed to force a retreat.😂
ehhh yea china spammed infantry .. though ofc usa took that a one step and called the tryhards of infantry aka the turks now ofc there is also phialpeins * sorry i am bad at englısh ik i pronaunced it wrong * but they basically pulled a gta and stole chinese tanks + they were more of an armored company infantry speaking it was mainly us who managed to defend while others retrated to resupply ..if you want proof as much as i doubt we are remembered but you can try to search us up .. dont forget about the philaphines though they were literally flanking and stealing tanks like crazy really based philaphines armored division behavior
@@volkanyldrm3824China was outnumbered at the beggining of the war though, they only reached similar numbers at around the end of the war.
@@volkanyldrm3824it's philippines, but yeah, crazy how a thousand philippine soldiers singlehandedly bopped 40,000 enemy soldiers
CCP shill
This is a stupid comment that must be corrected even a year later. China had experienced troops that fought in world war 2 and the Chinese civil war. They were also trained and armed by the Soviet Union. They were a formidable opponent fighting on their backyard and the myths about human waves need to die. It's borderline racist.
Tommy acting like invading china is a simple task
I hate when Tommy talks when the speaker in the video talking. Now I can't hear either of them
Neither does he
If a “Second Korean War” breaks out tomorrow… the North would get smacked even before US troops start arriving.
The most technologically advanced Aircraft they have is a single squadron of MiG-29’s they got in the 90’s.
The rest are MiG-21’s (or the Chinesium copy), MiG-19’s and MiG-15’s.
ROKAF operates F-16’s, F-15’s, F-35’s, indigenous designed light fighters in addition to the Vintage F-5’s for Light ground attack roles.
The war won’t be very good for South Korea economically, and Seoul would get shelled (the damage is always overestimated, as only Rocket Assisted projectiles can reach the urban centers).
The North Korean SAM networks are also exclusively old soviet crap.
North Korea’s most modern tank is a stretched an Elongated T-62 with a 125mm 2A46 (or Chinese equivalent) and some bolted on Composite armor with ERA. Does have a CITV for the commander and a laser rangefinder.+Gunners thermals.
These are likely to be Gen 2.
They don’t have many of these either.
South Korea has upwards of a thousand K1 (based off the XM1 design) K1A1 (Upgraded with a 120mm main gun and several other improvements, similar to M1A1) and now the K2 Black Panther.
Which is one of the best MBT’s in the world.
120mm L/55, 3rd Gen Therms for both Gunner and Commander.
Hydro pneumatic suspension and many other improvements that put it well above every North Korean tank.
They also have waaaaayyyy more of them than North Korea.
This isn’t even mentioning Morale, the fact that many NK soldiers are already starving and almost non-existent Officer corp and logistics on the NK side.
Their only hope is China… and even China isn’t interested in dealing with another war and would likely force Kim to retreat behind the DMZ.
That’s why, if North Korea manages to start fielding nukes… we should set up a Nuke sharing program with South Korea until they can manage to produce and field their own. North Korea is the last “country” you would want to see get their hands on Nukes… as they are unpredictable, extremely brainwashed and likely national-y suicidal.
For what use is intelligence services, if peter muskrat volunteer army from fucking youtube knows both sides forces in autistic detail? Also, "DPRK literally 1984" lmao, they are suicidal starving brainwashed orcs waaaaaaaaaah what are the bad guys gonna do with nukes :((
Apparently, this is what learning geopolitics from HOI4 does to you
LOL keep coping, best korea could annihilate seoul within minutes.
and they have nukes as well. even the pentagon admits they have nuke capabilities to strike the usa at this point
Funilly enough about private armies, At one point in history, Pepsi co. (yes, the sofdrink company) had one of the largest navies in the world after the soviets paid them with ships and subs instead of cash for soda lol
Based pfp
One of the best moments of Capitalism.
There is no evidence that this exchanged ever happened
Partly true, all those ships werent usable, not a single weapon installed.
That’s straight up false
Fun fact about the UN at this time. The USSR had boycotted it, and china was represented my Taiwan. So basically the UN was just the West and friends.
My grandfather was deployed in the immediate aftermath of Korea as a marine sharpshooter, it was no joke that many thought the ceasefire was just a ceasefire. He used to tell a story about being in the watchtower one night and seeing something in the brush. He screamed at it to come out 3 times. He shot it. As the shadow fell from the bush it let out a, 'mooooooooo...'. He had to pay the farmer who lost their cow the next morning and had no pocket change for R&R in Japan.
It may be that I am suffering from a Mandela effect, but I think that Tommy once in one of his Imagine moments said what the world would be like if MacArthur had used nuclear bombs on China. That is to say that he already saw a video of the Korean war, or not?
Ya, I also vividly remember him saying that. I think he was watching that while playing Hoi4.
Pretty sure he said it during his oversimplified Cold War reaction
"stream snipping" at the dmz 😂
China did not mobilize its national almost strength to fight in the Korean War. It only sent volunteers to participate in the war. them were experienced in combat. Most of the supplies were provided by the Soviet Union. The United States did not dare to nuclear attack it against China because the Soviet Union had nuclear weapons can strike back. I used to hear from my history teacher in class that he had an American friend who also participated in the Korean War. China used the tactics of wave of people to continuously charge the US line. In the machine gun positions, he kept changing guns and fired to repel hundreds of attacks in the morning until the evening. That's insane.
amerimutts coping that their burgerstan empire lost to farmer volenteers.
Volunteer(man wave)💀
Acting like it was like 50% nato 50% america when the casualties are like 95% american and south korean.
the entire reason on why y all had the largest casualties was bc y all decided to retreat fast as fuck when y all saw them chinese hordes also speaking you guys took a while to call in the allies like the nato itself philaphenes turkey y know y all kinda got cocky and thought you could beat em alone ... it costed ya though didnt it ?
@@volkanyldrm3824 Wow your view of the war is childishly simple... and Im not american.
My great granddaddy fought in this war. May God bless his soul.
For info the Americans weren’t the only one like my great grandfather fought in the korea in the Belgian army but they were badly equipped with practically no supplies just for info
22:30 Tommy conveniently speaks over American/South Korean war crimes. I told you guys he was CIA agent this whole time.
not CIA agent, but 'wEsT CIviLiZAtiOn pAtRoLlEr'. We should be thankful that germany now is a peaceful democratic nation, otherwise tommy would 120% become a loyal member of nazi party, and i mean it.
Animated History teaches more about history and makes it way more interesting than schools. I love history and it sucked that in school we glossed over a lot of important events that help my country become a true nation of its own, not just another colony of the commonwealth.
with that cool animation, not a single mention of the Philippines Military playing a major role in this war. so American.
Companies did build armies in the past, its what merc companies were. And if your gonna say "oh, well nowadays it would be Amazon, their rich, its different", not really, these companies were usually created by either banks or traders, and they sometimes controlled more wealth and manpower than entire nations and their standing armies.
And despite popular belief, not, they didn't only make money from war, they also helped with projects by the feudal government and were paid by the crown, sometimes these armies even became standing armies.
Can you imagine if the US army was sponsored by Amazon, that's how powerful these companies used to be.
My Battalion when I was in the military was the same that was encircled in the Chosin reservoir.
the korean movie 71: Into the Fire is a really interesting look into the korean perspective of this war rather than the western one
Just got my NJOLA and GANGA, only took 4 days to get it in Wien. Good quality stuff... Thanks Dommy
Tommy 100 times: DONT SAY ANYTHING but I wonder why they don’t push into North Korea
Chat: proceeds to spoil everything
To be fair, Tommy often doesn't listen to the videos and misses key information. (Like here when they said McArthur wanted to nuke China).
Big Boss Tommy Moment.
22:27 Bro i cant💀
Mussolini playing hitler💀
Billionaires could pay for an army but not something that could rival proper military’s. Because than you are fighting economies.
West Germany didn't have army back than
I wonder why💀
@@unluckyforsenbajs7503 forbidden
@@ScP-049-01 verbotten
Ja, verboten
My grandfather was an army veteran of the Pacific Theater and fought in the Korean War. My dad, who later fought in Vietnam, was living in Seoul on a US military base as a little kid when the war broke out (they lived on base in Frankfurt before that). He and my grandmother were sent back to the US and settled in El Paso, Texas on a military base there. My grandpa went deaf in his right ear from how many communists he and his buddies lit up with their Howitzer artillery cannon. He died long before I was born, but his grave is on base near Ft. Worth, Texas. The man lived on battlefields so its only fitting he'd be buried on military ground. He died from lung cancer, but even as a pack a day smoker, I guarantee you he smoked more commies than cigarettes thanks to Korea.
My grandfather served in the Korean War, obviously never spoke about it or really opened up about it until the day he died. They were an ammo truck driver, also working at the motor-pool in the DMZ (or the zone which would become it). What really adds on to it all is my grandfather was a conscientious objector, never carried a gun.
One fathers day as I'm at a museum with my old man he opened up about my grandfather. Told me that one night at his FOB or what have you, grandpa caught a PLA soldier (likely a scout) trying to sneak beyond the wire, so in a moment of fear and responsibility he snuck forward to where the scout was behind a tree and strangled him against it with a piece of fencing. He got an award for it from his CO the next day. Something he never told my father until his later years, that info was only passed on to me since grandpa has been gone since the 1980s. Poor poor man
One of the most insane things that happened in the korean war was the philippines, they kept flanking the chinese and stole their tanks, then won an outnumbered battle in yultong with only 1,000 philippine soldiers against 40,000 enemy soldiers, sht was like something the Taskforce 141 would do
Every time I play the Cold War mod, it always crashes the second or third time I load up the game. I don’t think I have enough RAM (4GBs).
Definitely not enough
Due to nr. of volunteers
My granddad was there got his Korean medals
So this war was licherly just green air vs red air
My great great great grandfather served.
The Soviets had nukes at this time - so nuking China was not an option
in this video you can truly see Tommy being like that 13 year old who says Germany would of won if he was in charge
I mean, he is german
The German army got 100billion euro onetime budget, which wasnt nearly enough to even get all the basic necesseties for the army. So i think a billionaire with 100billuon wouldnt donthat much
For a challange play as the Republic of China in the Cold War Mod
Wonder why nothin was said about battles soviet pilots had against the Americans, and the Black Friday
Sangman Rhee was such a little weasel
Remember Korean War did not end it is still going on and this war will have the longest ceasefire.
Tommy, what is your opinion on Germany closing their last 3 nuclear powerplants. And Angela Merkel being given Germanys highest honor.
Better get those coal mines back online
It's a reminder that china back then and now can actually even the odds against allies power
Well it can even the odds by costing them all future ambitions, kinda like russia today. The korea war put a heavy price of life on the chinese army, seeing end of many veteran units. The event was so devasting that it is believe it cost the chinese the war against vietnam.
@@Theanimeisforme Also the important thing is the son of Mao was killed in the conflict. Thus changed the possible future political landscape of China
@@TheanimeisformeMany US veterans died too. By your logic, that has made the US weaker.
@@rarescevei8268 I don't know what logic your getting at, all I state was that cost of the korea war for the Chinese had influence on them for the Vietnam war and the loss there.
@@rarescevei8268 also the usa losses seen in korea were not as high as it was for the chinese.
You know if the American failed in their landing in the south Korea, there's a possibility that Korea would be united and the south will lead the north in some kind of revolution after the fall of the Soviet, though I can't say for certain that China would just sit down and watch their last communist allied crumbled under revolution, but same thing would happen to Japan, I don't think they will just sit down with the possibility to help and be friend the dagger that pointed right into their island
You really just don't like Americans, I'm assuming
@@chaosXP3RTWhat he said is true. If the landing failed, the UN would have suffered large losses, and the North MIGHT, and I say MIGHT have united Korea. But either way, it would have expanded a lot.
Also wdym he hates americans? It was a UN coalition, not a US army
when i saw this i thought it was oversimplifiedxd
I'm pretty sure there are a few millionaires with their own private army already
my grandfather was in the 24th infantry division codename the gimlets they were the first to step on korean land and pushed to the 38th parallel he survived he died to cancer at the age of 72 i have black and white photos that he had taken of the cities tanks etc
Dude cant imagine how sad it is living in north korea because of the korean war shaving off some of the 38th Parallel
Old but a funny thing I saw is that apparently a North Korean propaganda account actually got mad at this video and called it western propaganda, Armchair Historian on Kim’s sights now lol.
rising storm 3 should be korean war
You have to make 100b every month to maintain 100k private army
well the 1st proxy war after ww2 was the greek civil war of 1946 if am not wrong
The soviets actually didn’t get involved on the communist side surprisingly so I’m not sure that would count
Is he gonna make real life advances warfare? Cod
In Rome nearly all Wars were financed and by rich people
Nukes will help us in a war untill you see your own citys
getting nuked lol 😂
Also the people in America have already been protesting to end the war in Korea because nobody want to send their children to die from a continent away for those asians.
>Least brainwashed kraut.
these completely delusional backhanded comments are hilarious
6:30 "South Korea got wrecked by underequipped Norks". Is this guy dumb? Why has this narrative spread that NORKS were underequipped? SK had no tanks, no anti tanks and were severely less equipped and had much less manpower than North Korea.
They had tanks and anti tank weapons, problem was that at the initial phase of the war, South Korean response was extremeley slow.
However, yes, the North Koreans were not underequipped
@@rarescevei8268 South Korea had no tanks and anti-tank weapons at the beginning of the war. May I ask where you got this information from?
@@불루재이They were not underequipped, the forces that did meet the North were. And with their retreat, the tanks they had were captured and the AT couldnt be used as they had no time to establish defensive lines.
This is hilarious, Tommy would be there in 1952 being like MACARTHUR'S OUR GUY NUKE THOSE YELLOW MONKEYS" lmao
Its funny tommy brings up russias veto for a Ukraine intervention since the korean war only happened since the soviets were protesting the UN and the security council got it through with them absent
The World War 2 channel is great ,sadly tommy probably cant watch a lot of it because it shows a lot of gore and shit
Never mess with Mao Zedong
13:00 ahhh the armchair historian, always forgetting the ANZACs
I thought Germany has better education than the US, what is happening here, this guy is acting like a child with a beard
Imagine storming Normandy to stop the Germans from stopping the soviets, and then a few years later storming the beaches of Korea to stop the soviets lol. Prolly should have let the Germans take care of the soviets and then just negotiated peace after that, and avoided the entire Cold War lol.
Imagine being nazi stormtrooper. Figting commies during ww2. Sitting in jail and then fighting for west in korea , middle east and vietnam. true story btw .
stupid ass take
Atlas corp
Why was in Korean war videos battle of Yultong is always forgotten.
You can't talk while the video is playing. Stop the video talk, and resume
Cold War; Iron Curtain mod includes korean war but I'd steer from it. The game kept crashing when I zoom in on the conflict, probably all the volunteer armies in one place
The mod crashes randomly at random times
Do twitch chatters just spew the first thought in their head? So much misinformation in chat 😂 otherwise good video.
The reason china did so well during the war was cause the US and allies genuinely believed china would not get involved and all of a sudden they crossed the border launching an insane surprise attack outnumbering and overwhelming US and south Korean forces. South Korean lines broke , threating to encircle American and other forces so the entire allied force had to fall back. After that it basically became a stale mate of American tech versus Chinese numbers.
China did not do well. They just outnumbered. There was a saying "the number of chinese soldiers were more than the number of bullets UN had"
@@익명-q6x you are wrong, the UN forces outnumbered the chinese in total, 700,000 vs only 300,000 initially
@@NeostormXLMAX what r u smokin bruh UN had 330,000 China had 700,000 to 800,000
@@익명-q6xNo. The chinese forces that entered North Korea were in numbers of 300000. Reinforcements entered later. The stalemate took place when both sides were at around 700000 soilders, with the UN slightly outnumbering China.
You are comparing the end of war Chinese forces with the UN forces at around the middle of the war. China was outnumbered initially
Usually I agree with tommy, but I am in fact, not with tommy on this one.
nice one
I love Tommy, but I can't stand it when he talks about history or politics.
My grandpa was a combat engineer in the Korean War
My grandfather was an aviator that flew Corsairs over Korea.
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The massive stockpile of guns, trucks, tanks, and airplanes the USA produced during WW2 was either sold, discarded, or not maintained. Cost-saving measures included huge drawdown in manpower. Veterans went back home, used the GI Bill to start a new life. The US units from Japan who initially landed in Korea were untrained, under-equipped, and not expecting war. The US wasn’t politically prepared for another mobilization. The workers unions went on strike, refusing to work longer for less pay during “peacetime.” Lack of steel greatly impacted the production of artillery shells and vehicles. The countries who supported South Korea each brought different weapons, which compounded logistical problems. The lessons of Korea led to NATO standardizing its weapons. It also created the military-industrial complex in the USA, for better or worse. Also top US generals learned not to oppose the executive branch after seeing Gen. MacArthur get sacked, which would affect how the Vietnam War and future wars were waged.