Jason - It might be useful to make a video about how to get a great sound from a Modeler for playing alone, practicing, creating music, feel, etc. - All the things that inspire us to pick up the guitar and play. Then contrast how that type of sound has to be shaped so that it will fit in a mix and not overwhelm the other instruments.
Your description of "adding glue" at the end is too abstract for me - I don't know what you mean by glue. But you got me when you said that you can "feel it". That I understand, and so I will definitely try this technique and see if I feel it too (and whether I like it). BTW, if someone says that the compressor shouldn't be after delays and reverbs, then what about when a producer / mastering engineer adds compression - that will be AFTER. That argument just doesn't impress me. But regardless, I'll see how I like this "trick".
Not sure if this was addressed in the video and missed it, but is this recommended for patches that aren't designed for headphones as well? I use a PC112
I still wish we could get input and output level meters for the HX stomp etc, and not just native... the gain reduction meter would be nice too. Unless of course i'm missing something? (fully updated as of 3.15)
Jason: While I was watching this video, a question came to my mind that now keeps me wondering. Why does one add more gain on the way into the compressor only to have it cut down on the way out?
A compressor is a dynamic adjuster of volume. You increase the gain, you hit a note, the compressor reduces it’s volume to a point you defined and progressively backs up the volume again when the note starts to die down, increasing the sustain. Check some videos on how compressors work.
Another reason I've found very useful to put a LA Comp at the end of the chain is if you use dual cabs, because the mic distance of each one may affect the general volume, and you can end up having more sound on the left or right ear. So the LA comp helps to kinda level them evenly.
Hi Jason, thank you for your very informative and educational content. I've got a question. I saw you using the Low/High Shelf Block and the Parametric EQ Block in addition to the comp in some videos. If I pull them up on my hx stomp I've used up three blocks. If I want to add more effects, I'd have to sacrifice some of the blocks. In your opinion, what is the least needed block to fine-tune the tone?
That is most certainly an issue when needing to free up blocks. I always try and keep the compression but if I absolutely need another block I may remove it. Of course if the preset I am using is not benefitting from the High/Low shelf, it may be the one to go, really depends on the particular preset and situation.
He Jason, the name sas it all. It's a studio compressor, of course you place the compression at the back of the chain and you're also right about te sauce ;-) You can hear it even better on a clean sound? Why don't you demonstrate it that way. You can also use this compression as a boost on you clean input if you want. And the Tilt EQ as a mid scope, let's say round 444 hertz for a real nice placing in the mix.
It’s definitely worth experimenting with - especially since it’s such an easy tweak and the rationale is solid (could even snapshot it for comparison). Thanks for all that you share!
Nice way to match things up. i have my Helix lt just for 1 week experimenting with it. I just discoverd the Dhyana Drive, great sound man. Try it out and tell me what you think, thanks for the vid. Have a nice weekend.
Hi Jason. Once you have selected (clicked on it) block in Helix, you can turn it on/off with backspace so you don't have to reach to your mouse every time. I have compressor always in the end. Thanks for this great advise.
I was doing this for a while, and eventually I stopped. Lol idk what I was doing wrong, but I suddenly started to hate what it did to my delay repeats. I’ll have to go in and mess with it again and see if I can get it dialed in better.
Hey Jason, thanks for the great tip. i tried this out tonight and i do like the result. the only thing I was running into was it was causing a kind of slapback delay sound from my simple delay set at 400, so i just put it before the delay and reverb. doing that took a very slight upper brightness away, but super super slightly.
Jason - It might be useful to make a video about how to get a great sound from a Modeler for playing alone, practicing, creating music, feel, etc. - All the things that inspire us to pick up the guitar and play. Then contrast how that type of sound has to be shaped so that it will fit in a mix and not overwhelm the other instruments.
Live/mix = less bass, less gain, less wet (usually speaking).
Your description of "adding glue" at the end is too abstract for me - I don't know what you mean by glue. But you got me when you said that you can "feel it". That I understand, and so I will definitely try this technique and see if I feel it too (and whether I like it). BTW, if someone says that the compressor shouldn't be after delays and reverbs, then what about when a producer / mastering engineer adds compression - that will be AFTER. That argument just doesn't impress me. But regardless, I'll see how I like this "trick".
Not sure if this was addressed in the video and missed it, but is this recommended for patches that aren't designed for headphones as well? I use a PC112
Depending on what guitar you use makes the biggest difference, so what's the point of a preset except for a general starting point...
How do we get the meters on the MAIN and also on the Comp? I do not see that in my HX Edit 3.11
I still wish we could get input and output level meters for the HX stomp etc, and not just native... the gain reduction meter would be nice too. Unless of course i'm missing something? (fully updated as of 3.15)
Hey how is he getting the gain reduction meter to display in hx edit?
Would you do that in a high gain preset to play heavy and thrash metal?
Jason: While I was watching this video, a question came to my mind that now keeps me wondering. Why does one add more gain on the way into the compressor only to have it cut down on the way out?
A compressor is a dynamic adjuster of volume. You increase the gain, you hit a note, the compressor reduces it’s volume to a point you defined and progressively backs up the volume again when the note starts to die down, increasing the sustain. Check some videos on how compressors work.
Feel is what its all about........
Another reason I've found very useful to put a LA Comp at the end of the chain is if you use dual cabs, because the mic distance of each one may affect the general volume, and you can end up having more sound on the left or right ear. So the LA comp helps to kinda level them evenly.
I do this and think it sounds great. I tend to add a gain block afterwards too and use this for solo volume boosts - switching on and off.
Hi Jason, thank you for your very informative and educational content. I've got a question. I saw you using the Low/High Shelf Block and the Parametric EQ Block in addition to the comp in some videos. If I pull them up on my hx stomp I've used up three blocks. If I want to add more effects, I'd have to sacrifice some of the blocks. In your opinion, what is the least needed block to fine-tune the tone?
That is most certainly an issue when needing to free up blocks. I always try and keep the compression but if I absolutely need another block I may remove it. Of course if the preset I am using is not benefitting from the High/Low shelf, it may be the one to go, really depends on the particular preset and situation.
He Jason, the name sas it all. It's a studio compressor, of course you place the compression at the back of the chain and you're also right about te sauce ;-) You can hear it even better on a clean sound? Why don't you demonstrate it that way. You can also use this compression as a boost on you clean input if you want. And the Tilt EQ as a mid scope, let's say round 444 hertz for a real nice placing in the mix.
Do you use this compression trick also in your live presets?
I'm wondering the same thing.
@@robertoarielsalinasperez2635 I do but loved to hear others opinions too ...
Hi Rami, yes I do use this for my live presets also!
It’s definitely worth experimenting with - especially since it’s such an easy tweak and the rationale is solid (could even snapshot it for comparison).
Thanks for all that you share!
My pleasure :-)
Thank you for this. Seems so obvious but it slipped me by
I’ve actually been experimenting with an LA Studio comp at both the beginning and end of the chain.
Nice way to match things up. i have my Helix lt just for 1 week experimenting with it. I just discoverd the Dhyana Drive, great sound man. Try it out and tell me what you think, thanks for the vid.
Have a nice weekend.
Hi Jason. Once you have selected (clicked on it) block in Helix, you can turn it on/off with backspace so you don't have to reach to your mouse every time. I have compressor always in the end. Thanks for this great advise.
Is there a way to have a Gain reduction meter on the Stomp? Perhaps using certain plugin on a daw?
I was doing this for a while, and eventually I stopped. Lol idk what I was doing wrong, but I suddenly started to hate what it did to my delay repeats. I’ll have to go in and mess with it again and see if I can get it dialed in better.
You said something a while back about this and I’ve been doing it since. It’s a good way to regulate patch volume too.
Use this trick as well!
Why do you have input and main level on lef right? I use helix floor and the software on my pc have not. do i need to reinstall? thanks.
As I mention in the video, I am using Helix Native software in the video.
Like the new format!
Another great video. Thanks Jason. Happy Thanksgiving :)
Thank you Jimmy and same to you :-)
Hey Jason, thanks for the great tip. i tried this out tonight and i do like the result. the only thing I was running into was it was causing a kind of slapback delay sound from my simple delay set at 400, so i just put it before the delay and reverb. doing that took a very slight upper brightness away, but super super slightly.
also made the single notes a tiny bit more percussive. I dig that though ala Nuno B. every change was like you said here very subtle.
Would this trick work for really heavy distorted guitars? I will give it a go next time I use my HX stomp.
I do use it even on distorted tones.
I love this technique. I use it on just about all of my presets. More importantly, where can I get that super awesome Revv shirt??
Thanks Rob! My friends over at Revv were kind enough to send the shirt over so not really sure if it is actually for sale. Maybe check their webstore!
Thanks for all the great info brother! I love using the LA Studio comp at the end. The Rochester isn’t too bad either…
My pleasure and thank you :-)
I'm going to try this on a couple of my presets. Thanks Jason!
My pleasure :-)
Do you put the comp after, in your Live presets?
Yes, I use this in my live and studio presets.
Great video Jason. I like the warmth nuance that it seems to add to the overall timbre
Thank so much Jerry :-) Hope you are doing well!