Machines Are Useless?
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- Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
- If you want to “train your core”, there are a million appropriate ways to do that - and doing it while trying to train a different muscle group (as many free-weight zealots advocate) is likely not one of them.
It pains me that this is still a conversation we have to have. Machines provide force. Free weights provide force. Instead of viewing free weights as magical pills that will solve all of your athletic/“functional” goals, view them as less constrained implements that provide force. Instead of demonizing machines as objects that will turn you into dysfunctional pudding, view them as more constrained implements that provide force. Both have a place, and that should be clear to anyone who takes a moment to think about it.
I’m not pro or anti-free weight or machine, I’m pro “choosing the most sensible thing for the goal”.
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Science and field studies suggests no difference in muscular hypertrophy results stemming from machines/cables compared to freeweights.
Machines win, sorry. They maximize stability which maximize force transfer while maximizes performance which maximizes results. And they're considerably safer.
Destabilizing a movement only allocates marginal tension to many muscles that should already be getting trained with their own movements. John Connor was wrong, machines are the future.
The same reason a DB chest press off of a bench is better than off a stability ball is the same reason a machine chest press is better than a DB bench.
@@codywirth8190 if your goals are purely for “fluffy” muscle and not strength, sure machines are much better because they isolate whatever you’re working. However, DB Flat Press (for example) doesn’t only work Chest/Tri/Anterior Delts, it also works the stabilizing connective tissues in the rotator cuff and in the armpit. However, both will yield similar results if we are discussing hypertrophy
This is true, however, for most beginners, they’ll benefit from free weight compound movements more overall than machines because they are building full body coordination, strength, and function through exercises like deadlift squat lunge chest press
@@chungusthe3rd838
You are only "building coordination" in the those specific movements because skill transfer is HIGHLY specific. There's no meaningful carry over to other activities and when was the last time you set a 2 inch diameter bar across your back and had to squat to the floor and back up in your day to day life or ANY sport for that matter? I'm going with NEVER.
We lift weights to build general strength because THAT'S what carries over NOT "skill".
COULD you rely on compounds for SOME core stimulus? OK sure? But what's better for core activation, a squat or a decline situp with weight? We both know the answer to that.
So all you're doing by squatting is increasing the skill demand to stabilize yourself while taking tension AWAY from your legs, to place marginal tension on the core resulting in decreased performance WHILE DRASTICALLY increasing risk for injury.
The only thing weights have over machines is versatility. Other than that, machines decimate and more and more sports programs are coming to this conclusion.
@@codywirth8190are you stupid you realise the weight in a squat doesn’t work your back , the main muscle group is the legs. And you say about injury, yes you would be more likely to injure yourself using free weights but most of that is being stupid and not preparing. Use machines to be safer in the gym but when you realise EVERYTHING outside the gym isn’t stable and a fixed range of motion then you actually have more chance of getting injured since all or most of what you train is machines.
core stabilizers ≠ abs
yeah they are exactly the same
Core stabilizers are all the little muscles that help balance free weights instead of doing a machine that only trains one range of motion which might help your strength when crunching but not side to side and all the other directions
@@Gerdemon4stupid 💀💀
Machines & cables have helped build my physique as I got older..
Free weights are better for coordination. A machine has a fixed path whilst free weights force you to create the path with load
Machines and free weights both have applications in resistance training. They’re good for different things. Only problem with machines is that there are a lot of shitty ones and some can force you into an awkward position because they weren’t built for your body specifically which can cause wear and tear on the joints
It depends on what you want at the end of the day ngl. Free weights can inadvertently help with performance elsewhere, but machines can really grow that muscle like crazy.
though the recent studies say they build the same so 😅 who knows
Machines will help grow the most muscle but won’t help you get in the best shape like the original guy says, having more muscle isn’t the only way to get in shape, my wrestling coach has us use free weights because it uses balancing muscles and is easier transfer to sports, and I’d argue that a lot of wrestlers are in much better shape than bodybuilders
Depends. Don't think roid monsters when it comes to machines. At the end of the day if it's mussel strength you want its all about progressive overload. Free weights it's harder to do because doing more sets is good to a point and you could add weight to you but it's a bit sketchy. Machines are also a lot more beginner friendly. For me a combo of the two is best. You have week arms but strong back? Dumbbells. Then when your arms don't stop you from doing a good back workout do some pull ups to engage your entire body in the movement.
A recent study shows it’s around the same
Machines allow me to really focus on the muscle I'm training and reach near failure in the safest way possible.
Machines are also mega-convenient for dropsets.
Don’t let Mario rios see this😭
Machines win, sorry. They maximize stability which maximizes force transfer which maximizes performance which maximizes results. And they're considerably safer.
Destabilizing a movement only allocates marginal tension to many muscles that should already be getting trained with their own movements. . John Connor was wrong, machines are the future.
The same reason a DB chest press off of a bench is better than off a stability ball is the same reason a machine chest press is better than a DB bench.
Good advice tho
Blud is not the knower
he is, check the national strength and conditioning association and realise how weak your core is at it’s literal function because you are too lazy to do functional exercise 💀💀 the ppl on your side of the argument literally use lifting belts AND straps on bicep curls because how thier arms are are strong but their core is so weak in comparison. Look at Alex ubank
Its funny to read all of theese comments of people who only want to Max out hypertrophy and don’t want a healthy body, 👏👏to the original guy
Thank u for non black and white thinking
I don’t take advice from people with a disproportional arms. Especially when it comes to upper arm to forearm disproportions.
In conclusion machines are indeed awesome.
Awesome at increasing your injury risk, check the NSAC to realise your weak ass core is actually because your sit ups and crunches don’t train the actual purpose of the core, stabilising.
and in real life EVERYTHING isn’t on some super stable fixed range of motion. Is it. Take anything from lifting a car to generating force to jump.use common sense if you train on a super stable fixed range of motion then lift something surprisingly, not in a super stable environment which exists only in gyms. And goes past the range of motion that you train. Guess who is likely to hurt themselves as they core is the strength of a toothpick
Machines are gau
Just train your core specifically 3-4x/week. That’s way more beneficial than what “free” weights could offer, For example, even if you shoulder press with 200lbs DB’s that still won’t be close to KB marches or weighted high plank. It’s about time fuck all info are like this should stop!
“ train you core” and proceeds to do crunches or sit ups. The literal function of the core is stabilising. Maybe if you looked at the strength and conditioning association you would realise how wrong you are and the tons of evidence that’s existed for years your blatantly ignoring to push this soy boy gym culture where your core is so weak you cant do near enough what you can do in the gym, outside the gym.
bro is black mario rios
Aaaand unsubscribed. Hopefully I’ll never see this brand of contrarianism for content again.
Machines allow me to do leg extensions? Wow. Thanks, captain obvious.
Bye 👋
I’m dumbfounded at how the take home message somehow went right over your head and you decided to get emotional about it😅
Nothing about his take screams contrarian at all so I don’t know how you arrived at that conclusion in your mind
Machines let you hit muscles that are fucking impossible without them.
Go do a seated calf raise without one. Go ahead.
You need 3 dofferent dumbell exercises to meet the tension that a preacher curl machine can do
seated calf raise 💀💀💀 bro you realise calves ain’t attractive and any functionality you get training them(which is the point of training them) is lost when you sit your weak ass core down because “machines let you fucking hit muscles you can’t when normal exercise” you have to have 0iq or just don’t have common sense, machines IMITATE free weights they were invented after free weights since for centuries all humanity have used free weights. They are the same exercise but they take the core out so you end up becoming some weak ass soyboy that needs lifting straps and belts with him at all times because his weak core literally can’t handle any weight as he trains like real life has some baby attachment on everything for it to be stable. Which ISNT the case. But im sure with your amazing logic you already knew this and are choosing to make yourself less cable ,and more unaesthetic like calfs? Really
Yes, what you are saying using fact and science is true but…I want to get in the Best Fucking Shape of My Life.