It's going to sell more just because of its lower price. About 22% of desktop use 1080p (primary display) and 3% 1440p. Although weird resolutions confound that.
But still I like review of the top of line also. It is kind reading of exotic cars in a magazine. I will probably never get a hyper car. But still I like reading about them and their performance and see pictures
@@larsbaer3508 it's not relative. 3 cards are released and all 3 have different prices, with the RX 6650xt having the lower one. it's not cheap, nobody said that; it's just the lower.
Yeah. I got an Asus rx 6600 xt rog strix and it doesn't run hot but in terms of noise, when gaming it's like a jet taking off. Not best pleased with it.
Really happy to see you guys reviewing this first. And less happy to be disappointed by more disappointing launches. But prefer seeing this content first over the 6950 XT content I'm seeing from other channels
Price increases(without regards to supply constraints) are only possible if the consumers voluntarily pays the increases. Want MSRP or less hardware? Stop buying at inflated prices. Too many PC users can't wait to jump on new parts especially graphics cards.
Exactly, not hard to turn graphics settings down if you want great framerates. Im still able to game on at rx480 (albiet overclocked) at 1440p. The quality drop isnt too noticeable, depending on the game. Its not hard to play elden ring with an immersive experience, balancing fps and fidelity. I'll pick up a 6800xt when they fall below 1k AUD maybe.
While that's true, to an extent, I think one of the factors that AMD is counting on, and will drive sales regardless, is that OEM's will use the cards to advertise, "The latest and greatest 'Shiny New Thing'!" in their kit. Many buyers for many different reasons will purchase this kit, thereby driving sales.
Note that prices vary a lot in different parts of the world, making the cost-per-frame significantly different. Where I live, the RX 6600 is around $361 (+$21), but the RX 6700 XT is a whopping $707 (+$207).
I think AMD here was trying to do the same thing they did with the RX 590, they are trying to use its launch to have reviewes updated with the current pricing for other products they have on the market. The real problem is that the didn't have the 590's 10% extra performance so in the end they are just rising prices
And while I won't give people who complain about pricing a hard time. They did this refresh without completely gashing everyone in pricing. ASP on Video cards have gone up, epidemic or not and AMD legally would have to utilize that information to increase their margins. But they didn't do it like Nvidia, 200+ for the 3070TI, $400 for the 3080ti, and $500 for the 3090ti while making it much harder to get the non-TI cards.
@@goa141no6 That's a given, but thinking in ratio, that while they arent trying to keep up with Nvidia. They also aren't increasing in comparison to their own pricing nearly as much. Like the 6950 they could have priced it between the 3080Ti and 3090 and still be price competitive. Instead they are only charging an extra like an extra $100.
@@andrewalexander9508 problem is there making themselves look bad one of the things AMD had over NVIDIA is there was no refresh models to simply pray on idiots wanting the latest and greatest how many different 3080s is there now 3 .. all this with the 7000 series just around the corner .. for all their work with catching the 30 series FSR 1.0 and with ray tracing behind they needed this win of not being overly greedy with their customers !!
@@volvot6rdesignawd702 There won't be new mid range cards for a while. So i can see the 6750 and 6650 keep selling (at a lower price once navi 33 is out) for another year. Even the 6950 will stay an option for people who want more than the 8GB navi 33 will bring.
Yes boring GPU release, but great content, empowering gamers and enthusiasts through facts and cutting through the marketing BS! Love the no nonsense Aussie delivery mate! 👍👍
I may sound boring if you consider this as a "new" release. While the "MSRP" of this card is higher than the 6600 XT 's, the real price (in my country, Vietnam, at least), is actually lower. So it's a no brainer to go for the 6650XT tbh
This being boring means you're telling it like it is, which is in fact more exciting than forced overdramatization. You can be sure that I smashed that Like button!
If you are looking here now, you can get this card for under $250 at Micro Center. I got one for $220 on sale, which was only $20 more than what they wanted for the 6600 XT at the time. At that cost while beating the 3060, nearly matching the 7600 and 4060, it was a no-brainer for me who was on a budget (I was coming from a 5600 XT). I have been extremely happy with it and it does everything I need without issue now. It also undervolts very well, and I have shaved off over 10 watts while keeping/increasing performance without problems. One more thing is that this card also pairs extremely well with the Ryzen 5 5600, as they are both able to max out without bottlenecking eachother.
@@dissocialdolphin8518 as a 5600 + 6650XT user, trust me. If you have "only" a 1080p monitor so you can't game in 1440p, you won't need anything more than this combo
Btw. the cost per frame graph is quite nice, but would be really nice to also have some older cards there, e.g. RX 480, GTX 1060/1660 with MSRP pricing, to see what kind of progress we've had
Both companies will keep on profiteering on less informed people willing to just throw money out the window. Since the last years showed what customers are willing to pay - this is the way it goes. I'm happy i still got my 1070 satisfying me at 1440p and i look forward to the price of a 3080 or 6800xt in quater 1 in 2023 ! Due to power consumption and prices for power in the EU i already don't care for the next gen cards.
I still have my gtx 1080ti (evga ftw3) paired with a i7 8086k and its probably the last computer i will have. The consoles look way better deals than pc gaming with the Xbox series x costing 499€.
I live in the EU and i dont really care about the electricity price. If you can afford to buy a pc... you sure as hell can afford the electricity... All this fucking whining about the price of power is ridicolous tbfh... it's tiresome...
At the same time the market of people who won't put up with this bullshit and who are informed is sizeable as well, so hopefully both are addressed. Priority goes to those who don't put the effort into making a good decision tho
@@DanielFrost79 lmao what a stupid argument. You are exactly the kind of people who doesn't bother thinking and throws money out of the window indeed. Power consumption IS a significant factor if you don't want to spend MORE. If I can buy a 1500€ PC with my savings it doesn't mean I can avoid thinking about how much my bill will increase. Welcome to the real world, kid.
In October 22, this card seems like a great value to me. It competes with a 3060ti but is roughly $100 cheaper (or more). We'll have to see how the 40 series cards affect the market but for sub $300, I feel good about this buy no matter how boring it was to review. 🙂
Right. See there is ways to make it interesting. I don't know why reviewers hyper-focus on the bad. I guess they know their audience haha... Here in Canada the "50 refresh" was sometimes cheaper than the original. Not too mention its a new card available on shelves and online. When used are not much less, it's a nice option to be able to go brand new.
I really do think people forget the history of AMD and ATI before it. The xx50 refresh cards have been a thing since the venerable Radeon 9000 series. Granted back then they would slot in at the old MSRP but in this market who really expected that.
I recently started a job making $80k. I was super pumped, but now I've realized I'm just back to 2018, when I was making $18/hr. It sucks. I can't justify spending $1000 on a graphics card for upper mid tier. I payed $700 for my 1080 ti in 2018, and that was THE BEST there was. It's stupid. I have to buy groceries that cost twice what they did a few years ago. I'm sure as hell not spending that much on a luxury graphics card.
@@GOPACKERSJT Unless you were working crazy overtime, your pay increase since 2018 far, far outstrips inflation. Grocery prices haven’t doubled in general (I work in the grocery industry); it’s more like 10-15% in most places.
I didn't find this boring having just traded up to a RX 6600 within my budget. Also, have friends looking around the $400 ish price point post GPU apocalypse so this is actually helpful.
Am indeed having a slow day, but always like a new HUB video :D As you said, it wasn't good when Nvidia did the Ti refresh and it's still not good now. Here's hoping cards still drop in price over the summer, would like to get one just before the next gen (here in Europe the 6700 is still like 600€ and even the base 6600 is at 400€... would at least like to get at 6650 for that price 😩)
Why would you get one just before the next gen? If you could wait just 1-2 months after the summer and get the new gen at a lower price. Well, provided that we don't have a 2020 situation once more and you can actually buy the cards...
I just bought the MSI Gaming X RX 6650 XT in Cyber Monday for 340€. I am so happy for it , solid 1080p choice. I'm on a limited budget right now so i couldn't afford a 1440p gaming card like the RX 6750 XT. I have paired the 6650 XT with Ryzen 5 5600X and LG 24GN650-B
Dude the Rx 6650 is a solid 1440p card.. I have the same GPU with a R5 5500 and i play on 1440p only. All games hit 60+Fps except rdr2 and cyberpunk which stay at 58ish in ultra quality.
You can always count on RTG... For always failing to capitalise on every occasion to win mindshare, even when it's handed over to them in a silver platter... Oh well, AMD will always find a way to f*ck Radeon up.. like strong start with RX 6800 series, then missed opportunities with availability, then the delayed RX 6600 series release.. then the abominations of 6500 XT and 6400... Now, this is another money grab. Nice try, AMD.
It's a shame RDNA2 came during all this mess. The architecture seems incredibly fast and more than that, efficient, and I can't shake the feeling that under normal circumstances, it would've destroyed nvidia from cost/performance perspective. Yes, I don't care for DLSS and Ray Tracing. Even less now with FSR and RSR existing.
I mean the situation that happened led to the Radeon cards beating Ampere way more in value, because RDNA2 is very poor at mining. Miners we're famously trading 6700 XTs for 5700 CTs.
AMD isn't "destroying" Nvidia anytime soon, regardless of price or performance of their cards. Nvidia currently CONTROLS about 80% of the home GPU market... look at the Steam hardware survey. You'll have to go quite a way down the list of most popular GPUs before you find a single AMD card crack the chart. Market share, market mindset and name recognition to the average Joe HEAVILY favors Nvidia. If the Radeon was twice the performance at half the price, I still seriously doubt the word "destroy" would come into play in regards to Nvidia market share. It's going to take a Loooong time of superior products at cheaper prices to CHIP AWAY at that 80% to 20% market share lead by Nvidia. Having said that... blind fanboyism to either Team Red or Team Green is pretty silly... the REALITY is BOTH are multi billion dollar publicly traded capitalist companies whose primary interest is turning a profit for their shareholders. Neither is going to give GPUs to you for free, and neither is going to come change your tire if you're stranded on the side of the road... they are both in the business of making their shareholders richer. Choose the product that best fits your need for the best price and move along... I can however assure you, AMD will not "destroy" Nvidia's market share with a single GPU launch... it's going to take years if it will ever happen at all.
@@wolfshanze5980 You're the only one talking about market share in the thread though, when we say "destroy" we just mean in performance. All the stuff you said about Nvidia popularity isn't controversial.
I think you are fanboying AMD here too much. I don't like Nvidia as a company but DLSS 2.1 is definitely a great feature in most of the games and a lot of AAA games now support this anyway. FSR still has a long way to to and hopefully FSR 2.0 catches up somewhat. Ray tracing might still have a long way to go but enabling RT+DLSS 2.1 in some games (singleplayer) do yield some great visuals with barely any performance hit and that's amazing. Like it or not RT is the future and natural global illumination is only gonna get better. Stop fanboying and hope for better competition cause neither AMD not Nvidia are "good" companies and they are all here to mainly make money.
Thats was good seeing the little difference between 6650 XT and 6600 XT, and your recommendation of the 6700 XT sounds like a solid option! Keep the good work up and its great seeing your UA-cam videos in such high quality, as I find it really annoying that some other reviewers do bench test reviews at 2k but upload a video in 1080p or less only which kind of defeats the purpose in the end? lol
While it seems like the 6650 XT isn't a great deal in terms of improved performance over the 6600 XT, in my unique case it was worth it for me since the 6650 XT was $30 cheaper than the 6600 XT in my area (Canada) no idea how or why but it was a very easy purchase for my new build
You can't really expect double the performance out of the same die, they just wouldn't leave that much on the table with the 1st 6600, ie, it's always only going to be a small increase. It doesn't really seem worth testing these, because it's nearly always the bigger the number the better performance, ie, the price is more relevant in selection. The only time it seems to matter is when there is no performance gain, or even drops, eg, GT1030 GDDR5 swapped to the lesser GDDR4. Maybe they price the 6650 higher to help suppliers get rid of old 6600 stock.
Its never boring watching a video from an professional content creator that is reviewing a product that is for the most part affordable to the masses and calls it for what it is...unremarkable. Thanks
Nvidia five years ago: "It's just the tip" Nvidia and AMD every release since then: "Just a bit deeper" At what point do we admit we're getting full-on screwed?
The irony is that the $299 launch MSRP of the GTX 1060 was a 50% price hike over the $199 GTX 960 launch MSRP. So even back then they were working their way into your knickers.
@@afriendofafriend5766 Nvidia 60-class/AMD 600-class dies are not halo products and they have suffered from the exact same generational price increases.
If you don't count the absence of encoder on RX6500XT and RX6400, yeah they are impressive, RX6400 matched gtx1650 performance at 20W less power draw...
RX 6400 is the best of the new-for-2022 products. The amount of GPU power you get in a single-slot card that can run completely from slot power is amazing. Any reason the 6500 had to exist went away as soon as the 6400 dropped.
@Yeltnerb 1 prices for cpu's is also increasing. AMD is no longer an underdog and is therefore no longer offering good prices for consumers. All these 7nm chips are mega cheap to make, a price hike makes no sense.
I got the 6650XT at Microcenter for $254.99 about 2 weeks ago, a great value deal for my budget upgrade from a GeForce 1060 3gb. It's been performing great in 1080p and even some 1440p in certain games.
@@RicePho I let my son have the 1060 3gb, found an used upgrade for him that was quite decent , a 2060 for just over £100, $140 USD. I think it was a fairly good deal. I see there are 1-2 on ebay around the same price. Its only 6gb but in rasterized performance its not to different to the 3060 8 gb version. So a used 2060 more, about double the performance of the 1060.
@Jørgen Solvang I might wait since to be honest we are already in 1 year of the 4000 series so waiting 1 more year we will get the 5000 series. I can tell we might have a recession so I don't want to play dumb with money at the moment especially when I'm in school.
@@RicePho I dont think there will be no 5000 series next year. With the current tempo of roll outs, there is probably a good 1,5 years before there is any 5000 series cards. The next "best" card from nvidea will be the 4090 ti, prolly launched sometimes around christmas, afer AMD launches their 7950xtx
It's not that "Meh" as you say. I think it basically fits nicely in the lineup, if AMD keeps the 6600 and 6650XT, and drops the 6600XT. There is still a big jump to the 6700XT, which I think is a better value for as close as it gets to the 3070, for $80 more than the 6650XT. (edit a word)
Where i live, Switzerland: The Rx 6650 xt is basicly identical with the rx 6600 xt, at around 440 ~ chf, wich is almost 1:1 to us dollar. The rx 6700xt in the otherhand, begins at like 600~ chf. So there is a quite substancial price gap, even with the newer release.
It's Oct 2022, five months later and this is the bargain GPU of the century. I picked one up new from NewEgg for $265. $100+ cheaper and much better performing than the $380 3060, and leagues more powerful than my 1070 I'm replacing which I bought for $400 five years ago. Radeon GPUs just haven't gone down to MSRP, they're now $100+ cheaper than MSRP since the new GPUs are right around the corner - but it'll take those 1-2 years to come down to MSRP pricing as well. So if you're like me and been waiting for years for an upgrade (and had to wait an extra two years during the pandemic and GPU shortage) - now is the time to upgrade!
The cost per frame is literally identical. This “new” product was released to try and boost sales of their current generation of GPUs in order to dump their inventory in preparation for the new graphics cards being released next year. This isn’t meant to be anything groundbreaking. It’s literally a refresh of GPUs that already came out and now they’re trying to rebrand them in order to boost sales. What did you think they were going to do, release a 6650xt and make it less than the 6600xt?
@@757Bricksquad There's multiple 6650 XT's available for MSRP (400) on Newegg right now, so this is more AMD taking the scalper margin from AIB's without changing the street price. It's actually a net improvement.
Liking the video to show my support. :) It's a shame AMD doesn't try to be more competitive with nvidia. RDNA2 isn't bad by any means (I own the 6600XT and is very happy with the card) but AMD is mistreating these releases and the retail price... They surely have the room to lower prices and stay more competetive. But I guess there's no reason to do it in the current duopoly situation. They just need to offer similar performance/value.
Verdict: It's slightly more performance for a higher cost near the end of the product's life cycle. A brilliant strategy by AMD to remain in 2nd place for graphics card sales.. 🤔
Agreed im baffled at this move by AMD they did so well to close the gap between the 5000 series and 20 series where their now trading blows with NVIDIA's 30 series .. This seems like dumb shit move from AMD , NVIDIA is still the more popular card ( people still hate on AMD drivers their behind in ray tracing and dlss is arguably better than FSR 1.0 ) where up until this point they were really winning was a great range of cards and none of these constant refresh models that NVIDIA keep shoving out to make $$$$ .. im not sure why they have done everything in there power to ruin there good will with customers even more stupid with 7000 series cards just around the corner !!
@@volvot6rdesignawd702 "their good will with customers" never exists. AMD has legal obligation to make $ for the share holders. So if they choose a move that cost share holders $ in a situation that's supposed to give them more profit, AMD are in big trouble.
@@khoifoto good will with customers means increased market share. The kind they got historically in the CPU space, by offering significant value over Intel. In GPU space, AMD seems to have prioritized short-term profits over long term dominance. They'd hardly get "in trouble" for shifting to a strategy closer to their historic CPU one.
@@AAjax You gotta sit in those Profit & Loss meeting once to fully understand it. Sometimes the one making decisions aren't the marketing team or sales team. Life in a large corporate aren't that simple.
@@khoifoto AMD are not in big trouble .. NVIDIA have done the same thing in fact worse ( across their whole range effectively NVIDIA have at a rough guess 11 different GPU's in the 30 series range ) let that sink in 11 different models all in the 30 series ohh and the remade 2060 lol !! difference is AMD are playing catch up and was not a smart move to pull a shady NVIDIA refresh while trying to get customers off NVIDIA !! nor was is it smart to do this so close to 7000 series gpu's
Been thinking bout buying 6600xt but considering my pcie 3.0 mobo i ultimately chose 3060 cuz of x16 vs x8 of 6600xt. And these 12 GB of ram will be more than enough for 1080p gaming for the next 3/4 years.
Considering how exceptionally slow NVidia is moving away from 6GB mainstream graphics cards in lowest third price bracket, maybe even much longer, considering even the 3070 is still hanging around with 8GB... which I don't consider bad pre se, but it doesn't make the procducts more appealing when half a decade goes by and 6GB stay the minimum "acceptable" standard for NVidia.
@@zfacersane272 is the gap between the 3060 and 6600 XT only like 2-4 percent? Hardware unboxed updated comparison showed them at around the same performance, looking like a statistical tie
@@zfacersane272 because some of us are running something like i5 10400f which is still really good cpu even for rtx 3060 so why bother with upgrading cpu ram and maybe even mb just to get like 5 more fps
though it may have been a disappointing release at launch, it seems like this card has been largely ignored by most, meaning for those who are looking to upgrade from nvidia 10x0 gpus it’s a pretty strong choice right now (in my eyes) particularly as canada computers has it on sale right now for like 350 cad, loads cheaper than any 3060 on any canadian site i could find
Don't forget to turn on the Smart Access Memory / Resizable Bar settings on your BIOS / UEFI to make sure that the CPU has access to all 8 GB of GDDR6 in the GPU - you will see on average a 10% boost in the performance.
Same. I recently bought RX 6650 XT for $246 and it works like a charm. I can play Hogwarts Legacy on ultra setting smoothly. It's getting difficult to find that GPU in the market now.
I was able to find a 6650 XT at microcenter about a month ago. It was open box and being sold below MSRP. I bought it of course. I've been waiting for a decent price and with the warranty it came out to like $280. Microcenter's warranty is the best around and I was glad to get such a deal. As far as I can tell, there's nothing wrong with the card.
@@TheTruthDragonNJ09 yeah. I saw at MC tge other day a 6650xt for like $209. I think it was open box or clearance tho. It's clear I was ripped off. But that's what MC warranty is for. Around the 3 year mark, I can return it and get something better using the same money or I can just keep the card and take the L bc inflation is making money worthless.
I wonder how these 50 cards compare to a simple OC tune over stock settings. You want a free performance boost, you may be able to get it with a few sliders.
@@termitreter6545 It depends on your luck at the silicon lottery & other system components. Some can undervolt pretty significantly, others can't go much below stock settings because they run into instability. Definitely worth a try though.
In my experience there are only very modest gains to be had on RDNA2 for core frequency overclocks. Temps aren't even the limitation, they just get unstable if you try pushing more than maybe +100MHz, and AMD also set hard limits to ensure we can't make a card beat one SKU higher. Best gains in my experience are from VRAM overclocks, and setting VRAM to use fast timings.
@Hardware Unboxed Great video! I noticed that in the cost per frame analisys @ 1440p you used the 1% low fps rather than the average, which can lead some people to think these cards are less appealing for 1440p gaming than for 1080p. But incredible analisys, as always!
Since I'm used to take a look at the used market for quite some time now, *it would have been nice to include 2-3 competitors from the previous generation to your comparison* +Hardware Unboxed like a RTX 2080, RX 5700 (maybe even the XT?) or even the GTX 1660 Super as an option for a bit less performance but also lower power?! I think especially with the look at power consumption (due to high energy prices in some countries), the actual price for buying and the question of future proof would make this an interesting battle.
I just ordered a RX6600 TX at the lower price of $599 AUD (just over $600 with postage) to replace my ageing RX 570 so I expect a general improvement in the games I play which are never on your tests. I play mostly RPG (e.g. Pathfinder) and strategy games ( e.g. Total War) although I do have AC Valhalla. The NVidia choices would require a power upgrade of around $75 AUD extra which is over my budget. As I have been waiting a year or more to make this purchase it seemed to be the right time and as I am unemployed it was the better price after hunting around online stores. My elderly mother owns our PC but I have saved enough to use my own money to buy this card and as I live with her and care for her it is a kind of self-reward. She's a saint and I would regret sending her to an Aged Care home as it seems like a death sentence under this Coalition government. (Sorry about the politics!)
The new AMD drivers "may preview" are awesome for the rx6000 series. I hope you are going to use it for your next test. It is gonna change the final picture. I have installed them and fps gain can be massive in certain games. On average I get 11% fps gain when playing the dx11 games in my Steam library ( at 1440p with 6900xt) There is also very good SAM optimization for death threading and WD legion
Oops, I'm Brazilian and I see some channels that I follow here on br talk about you and I came to take a look, it's the third or second video I've seen here (I'm new subscriber). And they are very complete and informative, I liked it. And it's pretty insane to see that we pay 4x the amount here at br.
it seems a lot of reviewer didnt like to mention how good the pricing was compared to nvidia 3060/3060 ti for gaming, i think the RTX really swayed the bias to justify higher price tag
@@Lord-kd3ee lol, right now RX 6650xt isn't even purchasable yet where I live & the RTX 3060 & RX 6600XT are the same price 😅 (€480,-). Pricing is still as whacky as ever since that price tag seems to change almost weekly here.
AMD really isn't increasing prices so much. Inflation has made the USD worth less than it was, and AMD is just compensating for that, and not really enough considering how much inflation has drive other prices up.
@@joeykeilholz925 Wages follow inflation with a delay depending on the job market. The more unfilled jobs there are, the faster it follows. Both are a natural consequence of political policies. In short: Money printer go brrrrrr = inflation Higher taxes = fewer jobs = lower job growth We get what we vote for.
@@tilapiadave3234 They were talking in terms of USD. On the up side, as the USD degrades in value, it allows other countries to get more for their currency.
@@tilapiadave3234 When an MSRP is set in USD and the exchange rate of AUD to USD goes down, fewer AUD are required to buy it, if the AUD isn't also being degraded.
Went from an RX 570 to a 6650 XT, I was originally going to buy the 6600 XT but once i heard they were coming out with a refresh I waited, nice to have a little more performance
The price has dropped substantially. I just purchased a PowerColor Hellhound RX 6650 XT for $230 from the egg. It was on backorder when I bought it, but there was a notice stating that it should be back in stock by the following day, and now it's on the way. Amazon has the PowerColor Fighter (cheaper version with no backing plate or RGB fans) for the same $230 price.
Just picked up an MSI Mech RX6650XT for 399CAD (294USD). On sale is cheaper than the RX6600XT, so it was a no Brainer. So far, I am very happy with the purchase. Paired with a 11600kf and 32gb ram on an MSI Z590M GAMING EDGE WIFI
People must not have bought these like AMD hoped because last week I got the Hellhound from Amazon for $313. The gigabyte Eagle was actually $299 for a couple of days. So a good thing, I think?
Not a boring video at all. I think you brought up all points people need to hear when looking for a card in these ranges. So to me this video was great. Cheers
Yet another blow to those naive, die-hard AMD fans who thought that company was different and pro-consumer. The moment its products have become more competitive, their pricing policy continues to become more and more like its rivals.
AMD is a fucking joke with this gen gpus. Producing massive e-waste with their rx6400 and rx6500xts. Now with relaunch, which nobody wants actually to buy for those prices.
The reason for introducing the 6x50XTs at a higher price that the 6x00 XT GPUs is to give buyers some incentive to buy the original cards so that the AIBs can sell off their inventory of the older cards. If they were the same price there would be no reason at all to buy the older cards and the AIBs and retailers could be stuck with old inventory that they would have a problem moving. I suspect that because of this and some other considerations the MSRPs for the new GPUs will be reduced in the not too distant future when the inventory of the older cards has been drawn down.
I think that people need to realize that the economic circumstances that allowed cards like the GTX 750ti and 1050ti to be developed are gone forever. Effectively zero inflation, wage increases, interest rates and inflation, and a system pumped full of free money in the form of quantitate easing since 2008, meant that corporations like NVidia and AMD had so much cash they could buy back shares never mind develop new products cheaply. Whether you like it or not this is the new normal that the pandemic/lockdown has created.
The 1050Ti was already WAY overpriced for what you got. Idk why some people got hyped over that thing. An RX470 got you like >50% more frames per euro/dollar.
Great video steve! And you are right. I also do not see realistic and objetive prices in my country by the supply and the demanding. Many new cards are on the shelves, but "nobody" buy them while more and more old gen cards appear on second hand market and hard to sell them for the well known high prices... Scalpers do not wat to decrease the price becuse of their "precious" margin. So just the whole market is "standing" and waiting. But waiting for what? I see most of ppl are fed up already with these high prices and the do not want to pay this much. Market members (factory, retails, scalpers) just should decrease all prices.
Quite consistent increase in minimums, which is nice, and likely due to the faster memory. Were this card priced where it should be, at $279, it would be really nice.
I still remember buying the AMD 5700XT Anniversary Edition for $450 direct from AMDs website, July of 2019. No waits or hassle and that was top of the line from them. AMD was better priced back then but since mining era really screwed up the market for all and thus AMD was able to get away with charging more for their cards but their actual MSRP values are where they should be but now the world's going to hell with inflation at least here in the states... all bullshit... let it all burn.
I've watched this video because I am used to and like watching HUB, not because I find gpus interesting. In fact, they haven't been that way for a long time. I seriously believe plenty of people will agree with me. Makes me wonder if their next gen products are so flawed, that they're trying to soften the blow with these uninteresting, underwhelming launches. The new RX 7800 XT - 40% hotter, 40% more power hungry, but at least it is 50% faster! Oh, and 50% more expensive, but you're used to it already
The power consumption and cost by itself is irrelevant, if they do 2k$ card that uses 700w and performs like 2 flagships from previous gen then a 700$ 200w card that performs like the last gen flagship it's just further product segmentation and still a win for the consumer. The trend unfortunately is to increase prices with performance which is annoying, so I hope they will at least slot more gpus in the gaps that they are creating. After all there are the 7100-7300 and 4010-4040 numbers to fill with gpus like the 6500xt.
@@wujekcientariposta back in 2015 I got a refurbished 7870 from 2012 for 100 euros. Today, in 2022, I'd expect 2016s gtx 1070 level of performance for similar kind of money, or maybe 150 due to horrendous inflation. Can't get it in my market for 300 yet (unless it is a used 1070, which goes for 250). So, we know how horrid the market is, but I feel like the manufacturers aren't even trying to make it interesting or worth at least my time. Like if you purchased an i5 2500k before the Ryzen era - not sure you cared about the new cpus all that much
Bought a RX 6650 XT for 240€ (in Germany) recently, this is more than enough, when playing on a 1080p Monitor with frames capped at 60 via RivaTuner for smooth frame times.
@@antonije6312The Custom Cooler came from XFX, so it is the "XFX Radeon RX 6650 XT Speedster SWFT 210". It is working as intended, most of my games are not a problem at all, with Witcher 3 (Ultra) at ~60 FPS and Cyberpunk (Ultra) at ~70 FPS. Most demanding is Ratchet and Clank (Very High) with consistent drops down to 45-50 FPS. Temperatures are manageable, with peaks under load at ~80°C, but the cooler is not configured to run full speed, as far as I see. This is my solution for the next 3-5 years, until a more capable but reasonably priced GPU under 300€ comes along.
6650xt 1440p 1% lows fps on average is more often at or above 60. That makes it a solid choice for gamers trying to balance price against game experience. The old 6600 and 6600xt will need settings turned down more often.
One thing to keep in mind is the 6600XT easily overclocks to the 6650XT speeds. Mine overclocked to 2800mhz core and 2200mhz VRAM with ease. Didn't have to increase the voltage or anything and heat isn't an issue either.
6650XT is a board power increase more than a factory overclock. They charge more because they put another heat pipe in it. You can add 15% power limit to a 6600 and get the same numbers.
As an AMD GPU user for the past 10 years, I agree with what you said about AMD. They are in no position to bump up their prices to NVIDIA equivalent card level, as their feature set is less than NVIDIA. AMD always had one advantage over nvidia and it was bang-for-buck pricing. Once they started to ask the same or more than nvidia for similar performance, I personally don't see any reason to buy AMD cards anymore. Same (or even worse) with Ryzen processors. p.s. would be nice if you included a watt-per-frame comparison.
It's because AMD is finally catching up. The instant they took performance crown from Intel, the roles flipped and Ryzen quit being the value king. Word is it's about to happen again, with all leakers saying RDNA3 will beat Lovelace in rasterization and match it in RT.
I’ve seen a few others asking the same, the one reason I’m looking at an AMD graphics & CPU is the interest in energy saving, but the reviewers have yet to include a power to FPS chart..
@@boomish69 Well you'd generally have to use a card for many years to even make up the price difference between one card and another anyway. Also if that's your main concern then all cards scale differently with power limits. So you could cut your power draw on a 3090 by a lot and not lose much performance, whereas something like a 6500, you'll probably see a similar percent drop in performance and power draw.
I am impressed how the 6700XT caughed up and is on the same Level as the RTX 3070 (at least in 1080p), after a few Driver releases now, while having less Power Draw and being 100€ Cheaper. Let's see how the 6750XT will perform. At least those refresh Models will lower the Price for the non Refresh Models even further.
@@MaggotCZ and you should watch the Video again and then read my post, but this time turn on your Display. I said in 1080p, not 1440p. And besides, that 50 Game Summary between 3070 vs. 6700XT was in March. 2 Driver Releases Ago.
It hasnt, in the 50 game benchmark it got even slower vs the 3070, i believe it was about 9 percent slower at 1080p and 13 percent slower in 1440p, the resolution those cards are really made for. The 10-12 game benchmark just favors AMD because it has a more equal amount of games that AMD is optimized for VS games Nvidia is optimized for. I had a 6700 XT and that card performs more like a 3060 Ti than a 3070
Because why not? Given that they're just trying to sell stock they have, not surprising that they're trying to use every piece of silicon that they have made. Trying to get it out the door now before Nvidia drops the RTX 4000 series and likely the low end 30 series.
@@defeqel6537 it wouldn't be low on next-gen, it would be ultra low end current gen stuff. I expect Invidia to try and entice the 1650 class of buyers. 16 series is around three years old now, the timing lines up for NVIDIA to release a low-end and ultra-low and card that reuses some of the old silicon, so they can drop production of their turing and even some of their old fermi based gt 710/410/210 stuff.
It may be the more boring part of the market but it's also where the majority of us shop and I thank you for your efforts. In desperation a year ago I signed up with the EVGA reservation list for both a 3060 and then a 3060TI because there was absolutely nothing out there. A couple of months ago I was stunned that I was notified that the 3060 was available to me at MSRP. I bought it and ran it in my new build. A month ago, the 3060TI notification came through and I had a major fist fight with myself as to whether I should buy it because you guys told me not to. I did buy it and I now have a 3060 that I'm going to put inside my son's new build. These are still rough times to do a build and I'm kind of glad that I bought the cards but they weren't easy decisions.
The price what theyre asking is like the same as 3060tis msrp. And the nvidia counter part is better in like 9/10 games. Amd never learns how to market their stuff.
@@defectiveclone8450 do you think this card will be available for msrp other than first week from the day it drops. Amd cards have been sitting on shelves cause nobody is buying them for the current prices. Specially in europe the amd prices are worse than Nvidia
the 3060ti hasn't been at its MSRP in like forever but 6600xt has been MSRP for a couple of months now. Nvidia MSRP's are pretty much a lie If you could get a 3060ti at MSRP its better than everything at the 300 to 500 price level but good luck finding one.
Just bought a 6650 xt for my niece last night. Performance seems really good in 1080p. She went from a gtx 1070 ti to rx 6650 xt. I was thinking of a 3060, but that was $400 bucks, and the 3060 ti was $460. These reviews keep talking about msrp, but let's be real aib are not selling for msrp. The 6650xt cost me $320. 6650 was 80 dollars cheaper than 3060, and 140 dollars cheaper than 3060 ti. Prices were based in December 2022 at bestbuy.
For some weird reasons the prices for 300 series aren't even falling on the 2nd hand market. I guess if you paid like >650€ fpr a 3060ti last year or 1.5 years ago, you' re not really willing to sell it low now but energy prices in the US are pretty low so there should be a ton of 300 series cards from former miners... Why don't you just buy a used one? If I get my 3060ti for 305€ (~320USD) used in Germany it should be a piece of cake buying a used one for little money in the US.
@KolnFriedChicken I am not huge on buying cards from miners. I had always bought second hand and no issues, but I bought off a miner once in 2016-17, and the card was bad. It looked immaculate, but he lied about how well it was working. He told me he had surged the 1060 and that it was now my issue. Luckily, though, MSI was willing to send me a new card after I told then my situation and replaced it. That's why I don't buy used anymore.
In tech terms this is a very old review, GPU prices change on a weekly basis.. mostly, but yeah currently the 6650xt in most region's can't be beat when it come to price vs performance
@@Anlazo he is not wrong thats how it works. When was the last time amd or nvidia released a 60 with their high end.. that doesnt happen. Next year will happen
Just a reminder, last year you were passing on AIBs concerns that the AMD suggested pricing of 6xx0 cards was unrealistic, so maybe this increase is just bringing those prices up to reality
You have to consider that prices are still 50-100% more than they should be for all resolution categories. in 2019, it was $200 on average for high refresh rate 1080p and $300-400 for 1440p. It is now $300-500 for 1080p and $400-700 for 1440p. Even with the chip shortages and inflation, thats still too high.
Wasn't that boring lol. Im actually deciding between the 3060 and the rx 6650 xt. Im upgrading from a 1660. Right now the 6650 xt is going for about 290 to 300 which isn't too bad, at least in new egg. Still going back and forth between the two. Great video.
I think the reason why AMD is so willing to jack up prices, is because TSMC, the company that makes thier chips, is still at full capacity. They can't get more chips produced in general. Thier new fabs are in the process of being completed. Even if AMD wanted more market share, they can't get more, as thier production cannot be increased, so the only way to make more money, is to increase per unit pricing. I don't think Nvidia or AMD expected the crypto market to crash and burn earlier in the year. Products tend to have large lead times in production, so when all of these refreshes were planned, demand was still through the roof from crypto miners.
It has been a really, sadly, cathartic ritual watching videos here AMD have been thoroughly exposed as 'Just as bad as Nvidia'. The vitriol from either sides fans just puts people off of PC gaming and rightly so, it's toxic asking even basic questions on sites. While Intel/Nvidia fans are no angels by a long shot, it has been refreshing to see AMD fans being given a proper glimpse into who AMD really are.......and hopefully a respite on comments that now seem sheepish and double standards.
While AMD may not be the customer's "friend" base on pricing, it's pretty easy to make a good argument they are still a damn site better than nVidia. Team Green has a pretty long history of pushing hard proprietary tech, being an absolute nightmare to work with for their partners, and outright lying about their business and financial workings. AMD is definitely trying to make as much cash as possible and using inflation/supply chain/covid as cover to push their margins higher than ever (as so, so many other corps are doing) but Jensen and his team are absolutely bad on a level that exceeds just pricing being less than ideal.
@@jellorelic My history with AMD goes back before the Duron days........they are not the 'good guys' and the only reason they have been 'ahem....fairer' recently is because they had no choice and without pricing they were over. Now that they have a market share they are just back being who they really are and always were....it's not a new thing, it's just opportunity. Now, I agree that Jensen etal are quite a bunch of lowlife scumbags but one thing about Nvidia can hardly be denied.....they are open about robbing you. AMD and Nvidia are all run by one family now, so don't believe that the last few years of 'underdog champion' was a choice...it wasn't.
Nice to have the 6500, 6600 and 6700 variants for the 1080p gamers and the Not-into-Ray-Tracing gamers.. those AMD cards are cheaper than most RTX cards and can even compete with the RTX 3060 in terms of FPS/performance
Interesting. It would have been good to see the RX5600XT on the list, since it's much more likely that those owners would be looking to upgrade, rather than RX6600 or RX6600XT, particularly the jump from 6 to 8 GB VRAM.
@@donnerstal Only if you need HDMI 2.1, OLED tv and any kind of 4k tv doesn't accept plus 60 fps on windows 10 on HDMI 2.0, if you try it chroma down sample so much it looks worst than an old beat up TN panel and freesync refuses to work.
With the reduced demand for mining cards what do you guys think is still propping up Nvidia pricing? I can't see people putting _that_ much stock into Raytracing performance and DLSS. Are AIBs simply not willing to drop GeForce pricing or are these still selling at the inflated prices?
Nice to see you guys review the lower priced card first unlike other channels, the information is more useful for the majority of us.
It's going to sell more just because of its lower price.
About 22% of desktop use 1080p (primary display) and 3% 1440p. Although weird resolutions confound that.
"Lower priced" ITS all relative i guess
But still I like review of the top of line also. It is kind reading of exotic cars in a magazine. I will probably never get a hyper car. But still I like reading about them and their performance and see pictures
@@larsbaer3508 Of course it is, Einstein.
@@larsbaer3508 it's not relative. 3 cards are released and all 3 have different prices, with the RX 6650xt having the lower one.
it's not cheap, nobody said that; it's just the lower.
The most impressive thing here really is the Nitro+ card hitting 62 celsius with two 750 RPM fans.
Yeah. I got an Asus rx 6600 xt rog strix and it doesn't run hot but in terms of noise, when gaming it's like a jet taking off. Not best pleased with it.
Probably cheaper than putting on the gas central heating.
My nitro+ RX6800 sits in the high 60s without being noisy. Sapphire know how to cool these cards.
@@Exomious True, my RX480 Nitro+ was quieter than my GTX1080 SC2 stock, after I undervolted the 1080 they have reached the same noise level.
Cards are getting physically too big though
Really happy to see you guys reviewing this first. And less happy to be disappointed by more disappointing launches.
But prefer seeing this content first over the 6950 XT content I'm seeing from other channels
fck amd
Channels play to their audience, no one goes to LTT for budget product reviews.
Price increases(without regards to supply constraints) are only possible if the consumers voluntarily pays the increases. Want MSRP or less hardware? Stop buying at inflated prices. Too many PC users can't wait to jump on new parts especially graphics cards.
man , in some countries prices at big retailers twice higher then MSRP... I think 410$ for rx 6650 xt is good deal
@@ivany4009 Hell naw!
Exactly, not hard to turn graphics settings down if you want great framerates.
Im still able to game on at rx480 (albiet overclocked) at 1440p.
The quality drop isnt too noticeable, depending on the game. Its not hard to play elden ring with an immersive experience, balancing fps and fidelity.
I'll pick up a 6800xt when they fall below 1k AUD maybe.
My dude here in Peru a 6700xt is about $1200 basic price.
You guys complaining about $800 .. in my 👀 is a good deal
While that's true, to an extent, I think one of the factors that AMD is counting on, and will drive sales regardless, is that OEM's will use the cards to advertise, "The latest and greatest 'Shiny New Thing'!" in their kit. Many buyers for many different reasons will purchase this kit, thereby driving sales.
Note that prices vary a lot in different parts of the world, making the cost-per-frame significantly different. Where I live, the RX 6600 is around $361 (+$21), but the RX 6700 XT is a whopping $707 (+$207).
Move somewhere else
@@noventay4 wow👍👍
In India, 6600 is $570 🤣🤣🤣 and 6700xt $1009
@@fatboyvin Ouch! My condolences.
@@fatboyvin we are pressing F for you
I think AMD here was trying to do the same thing they did with the RX 590, they are trying to use its launch to have reviewes updated with the current pricing for other products they have on the market. The real problem is that the didn't have the 590's 10% extra performance so in the end they are just rising prices
And while I won't give people who complain about pricing a hard time. They did this refresh without completely gashing everyone in pricing. ASP on Video cards have gone up, epidemic or not and AMD legally would have to utilize that information to increase their margins. But they didn't do it like Nvidia, 200+ for the 3070TI, $400 for the 3080ti, and $500 for the 3090ti while making it much harder to get the non-TI cards.
@@andrewalexander9508 Although AMD are delusional they are not insane, AMD know they can't charge as Nvidia does.
@@goa141no6 That's a given, but thinking in ratio, that while they arent trying to keep up with Nvidia. They also aren't increasing in comparison to their own pricing nearly as much. Like the 6950 they could have priced it between the 3080Ti and 3090 and still be price competitive. Instead they are only charging an extra like an extra $100.
@@andrewalexander9508 problem is there making themselves look bad one of the things AMD had over NVIDIA is there was no refresh models to simply pray on idiots wanting the latest and greatest how many different 3080s is there now 3 ..
all this with the 7000 series just around the corner .. for all their work with catching the 30 series FSR 1.0 and with ray tracing behind they needed this win of not being overly greedy with their customers !!
@@volvot6rdesignawd702 There won't be new mid range cards for a while. So i can see the 6750 and 6650 keep selling (at a lower price once navi 33 is out) for another year. Even the 6950 will stay an option for people who want more than the 8GB navi 33 will bring.
Yes boring GPU release, but great content, empowering gamers and enthusiasts through facts and cutting through the marketing BS! Love the no nonsense Aussie delivery mate! 👍👍
Yes it was nearly as boring as the 3080 refresh
you can't be serious?
I may sound boring if you consider this as a "new" release. While the "MSRP" of this card is higher than the 6600 XT 's, the real price (in my country, Vietnam, at least), is actually lower. So it's a no brainer to go for the 6650XT tbh
This being boring means you're telling it like it is, which is in fact more exciting than forced overdramatization. You can be sure that I smashed that Like button!
Agreed. Give us the info and leave out the sensationalism.
If you are looking here now, you can get this card for under $250 at Micro Center. I got one for $220 on sale, which was only $20 more than what they wanted for the 6600 XT at the time. At that cost while beating the 3060, nearly matching the 7600 and 4060, it was a no-brainer for me who was on a budget (I was coming from a 5600 XT). I have been extremely happy with it and it does everything I need without issue now. It also undervolts very well, and I have shaved off over 10 watts while keeping/increasing performance without problems. One more thing is that this card also pairs extremely well with the Ryzen 5 5600, as they are both able to max out without bottlenecking eachother.
Nice to see this comment, I just ordered a R5 5600 for 130€ paired with a 6650XT for 250€, thought it was a good deal
@@dissocialdolphin8518 as a 5600 + 6650XT user, trust me. If you have "only" a 1080p monitor so you can't game in 1440p, you won't need anything more than this combo
Btw. the cost per frame graph is quite nice, but would be really nice to also have some older cards there, e.g. RX 480, GTX 1060/1660 with MSRP pricing, to see what kind of progress we've had
You meant to say "regression" or "stagnation" instead of "progress", right?
A GTX 1660 Super, an RX 5700 (XT) and also an RTX 2080 would have been nice for comparison!
money is there to be made low end cards, big2 rather consumer buy there low end then a used gpu
Comparing to cards from a while ago misses the fact that inflation is in play and your money is just plain worth less than it was back then.
@@paderborner5213 No no no it's called negative growth ! /s or am I ??
Both companies will keep on profiteering on less informed people willing to just throw money out the window. Since the last years showed what customers are willing to pay - this is the way it goes. I'm happy i still got my 1070 satisfying me at 1440p and i look forward to the price of a 3080 or 6800xt in quater 1 in 2023 ! Due to power consumption and prices for power in the EU i already don't care for the next gen cards.
I still have my gtx 1080ti (evga ftw3) paired with a i7 8086k and its probably the last computer i will have. The consoles look way better deals than pc gaming with the Xbox series x costing 499€.
I live in the EU and i dont really care about the electricity price. If you can afford to buy a pc... you sure as hell can afford the electricity...
All this fucking whining about the price of power is ridicolous tbfh... it's tiresome...
At the same time the market of people who won't put up with this bullshit and who are informed is sizeable as well, so hopefully both are addressed. Priority goes to those who don't put the effort into making a good decision tho
@@joeykeilholz925 Completely agree. 🖖
@@DanielFrost79 lmao what a stupid argument. You are exactly the kind of people who doesn't bother thinking and throws money out of the window indeed. Power consumption IS a significant factor if you don't want to spend MORE. If I can buy a 1500€ PC with my savings it doesn't mean I can avoid thinking about how much my bill will increase. Welcome to the real world, kid.
In October 22, this card seems like a great value to me. It competes with a 3060ti but is roughly $100 cheaper (or more). We'll have to see how the 40 series cards affect the market but for sub $300, I feel good about this buy no matter how boring it was to review. 🙂
Lol in my country the 3ti is higher 150 d
Safe to say the 40 series is dog lol
Right. See there is ways to make it interesting. I don't know why reviewers hyper-focus on the bad. I guess they know their audience haha... Here in Canada the "50 refresh" was sometimes cheaper than the original. Not too mention its a new card available on shelves and online. When used are not much less, it's a nice option to be able to go brand new.
Just now i was watching LTT 6950xt... Then i saw the notification and i was like I'm interested in this card more than that 🤣
Unlike AMD, HUB actually read the room and reviewed the lowest price, and therefore most relevant to most of us, model first. Thank you.
I really do think people forget the history of AMD and ATI before it. The xx50 refresh cards have been a thing since the venerable Radeon 9000 series. Granted back then they would slot in at the old MSRP but in this market who really expected that.
Price increases won’t help them now…people have stopped spending money…recession is looming large…gpus are going to be dirt cheap
I recently started a job making $80k. I was super pumped, but now I've realized I'm just back to 2018, when I was making $18/hr. It sucks. I can't justify spending $1000 on a graphics card for upper mid tier. I payed $700 for my 1080 ti in 2018, and that was THE BEST there was. It's stupid. I have to buy groceries that cost twice what they did a few years ago. I'm sure as hell not spending that much on a luxury graphics card.
@@GOPACKERSJT Unless you were working crazy overtime, your pay increase since 2018 far, far outstrips inflation. Grocery prices haven’t doubled in general (I work in the grocery industry); it’s more like 10-15% in most places.
@@jamescunningham8092 I was doing about 60 hours a week back then.
everything is setting up for cratering gpu prices by fall.
you will be able to buy better cards for under 300$ used
@@krugec23 Fuck buying used. Buy new at microcenter and get a 2-3 year replacement plan so you can re-use your money years from now on a new card.
I didn't find this boring having just traded up to a RX 6600 within my budget. Also, have friends looking around the $400 ish price point post GPU apocalypse so this is actually helpful.
Am indeed having a slow day, but always like a new HUB video :D
As you said, it wasn't good when Nvidia did the Ti refresh and it's still not good now. Here's hoping cards still drop in price over the summer, would like to get one just before the next gen (here in Europe the 6700 is still like 600€ and even the base 6600 is at 400€... would at least like to get at 6650 for that price 😩)
European MSRP for the new cards is also significantly higher... 450€ for the 6650XT 🙄
Omlet2tube its sad a 6600 is 400 euro for so less performance.
Come to Serbia where 6600xt is 580+ Euros and 6700XT is 890+ euros :D
@@FOTON_FOREVER Hvala Bogu pa ga mi najebemo uvek :D
Why would you get one just before the next gen? If you could wait just 1-2 months after the summer and get the new gen at a lower price. Well, provided that we don't have a 2020 situation once more and you can actually buy the cards...
I just bought the MSI Gaming X RX 6650 XT in Cyber Monday for 340€. I am so happy for it , solid 1080p choice. I'm on a limited budget right now so i couldn't afford a 1440p gaming card like the RX 6750 XT. I have paired the 6650 XT with Ryzen 5 5600X and LG 24GN650-B
Dude the Rx 6650 is a solid 1440p card.. I have the same GPU with a R5 5500 and i play on 1440p only. All games hit 60+Fps except rdr2 and cyberpunk which stay at 58ish in ultra quality.
You can always count on RTG... For always failing to capitalise on every occasion to win mindshare, even when it's handed over to them in a silver platter...
Oh well, AMD will always find a way to f*ck Radeon up.. like strong start with RX 6800 series, then missed opportunities with availability, then the delayed RX 6600 series release.. then the abominations of 6500 XT and 6400... Now, this is another money grab. Nice try, AMD.
It's a shame RDNA2 came during all this mess. The architecture seems incredibly fast and more than that, efficient, and I can't shake the feeling that under normal circumstances, it would've destroyed nvidia from cost/performance perspective.
Yes, I don't care for DLSS and Ray Tracing. Even less now with FSR and RSR existing.
I mean the situation that happened led to the Radeon cards beating Ampere way more in value, because RDNA2 is very poor at mining.
Miners we're famously trading 6700 XTs for 5700 CTs.
AMD isn't "destroying" Nvidia anytime soon, regardless of price or performance of their cards.
Nvidia currently CONTROLS about 80% of the home GPU market... look at the Steam hardware survey. You'll have to go quite a way down the list of most popular GPUs before you find a single AMD card crack the chart.
Market share, market mindset and name recognition to the average Joe HEAVILY favors Nvidia. If the Radeon was twice the performance at half the price, I still seriously doubt the word "destroy" would come into play in regards to Nvidia market share. It's going to take a Loooong time of superior products at cheaper prices to CHIP AWAY at that 80% to 20% market share lead by Nvidia.
Having said that... blind fanboyism to either Team Red or Team Green is pretty silly... the REALITY is BOTH are multi billion dollar publicly traded capitalist companies whose primary interest is turning a profit for their shareholders. Neither is going to give GPUs to you for free, and neither is going to come change your tire if you're stranded on the side of the road... they are both in the business of making their shareholders richer.
Choose the product that best fits your need for the best price and move along... I can however assure you, AMD will not "destroy" Nvidia's market share with a single GPU launch... it's going to take years if it will ever happen at all.
@@wolfshanze5980 You're the only one talking about market share in the thread though, when we say "destroy" we just mean in performance.
All the stuff you said about Nvidia popularity isn't controversial.
@@libertyprime9307 I don't see any amd card destroying nvidia in terms of performance lol
I think you are fanboying AMD here too much. I don't like Nvidia as a company but DLSS 2.1 is definitely a great feature in most of the games and a lot of AAA games now support this anyway. FSR still has a long way to to and hopefully FSR 2.0 catches up somewhat. Ray tracing might still have a long way to go but enabling RT+DLSS 2.1 in some games (singleplayer) do yield some great visuals with barely any performance hit and that's amazing. Like it or not RT is the future and natural global illumination is only gonna get better. Stop fanboying and hope for better competition cause neither AMD not Nvidia are "good" companies and they are all here to mainly make money.
Thats was good seeing the little difference between 6650 XT and 6600 XT, and your recommendation of the 6700 XT sounds like a solid option! Keep the good work up and its great seeing your UA-cam videos in such high quality, as I find it really annoying that some other reviewers do bench test reviews at 2k but upload a video in 1080p or less only which kind of defeats the purpose in the end? lol
While it seems like the 6650 XT isn't a great deal in terms of improved performance over the 6600 XT, in my unique case it was worth it for me since the 6650 XT was $30 cheaper than the 6600 XT in my area (Canada) no idea how or why but it was a very easy purchase for my new build
6650XT $150 dollars cheaper than the 6600xt here in Aus
You can't really expect double the performance out of the same die, they just wouldn't leave that much on the table with the 1st 6600, ie, it's always only going to be a small increase.
It doesn't really seem worth testing these, because it's nearly always the bigger the number the better performance, ie, the price is more relevant in selection. The only time it seems to matter is when there is no performance gain, or even drops, eg, GT1030 GDDR5 swapped to the lesser GDDR4.
Maybe they price the 6650 higher to help suppliers get rid of old 6600 stock.
Its never boring watching a video from an professional content creator that is reviewing a product that is for the most part affordable to the masses and calls it for what it is...unremarkable. Thanks
Nvidia five years ago: "It's just the tip"
Nvidia and AMD every release since then: "Just a bit deeper"
At what point do we admit we're getting full-on screwed?
The irony is that the $299 launch MSRP of the GTX 1060 was a 50% price hike over the $199 GTX 960 launch MSRP. So even back then they were working their way into your knickers.
Guys.. I didn't come to this tech review to read capitalism rape smut. Chill with overly detailed sex analogies...
@@ChrisD__ lol, perhaps you should chill.
Don't buy halo products
@@afriendofafriend5766 Nvidia 60-class/AMD 600-class dies are not halo products and they have suffered from the exact same generational price increases.
Amd never fails to disappoint lately
6900xt is selling for 900 bucks so that's decent
This really feels like the 300 series Radeon cards. What a boring downside
If you don't count the absence of encoder on RX6500XT and RX6400, yeah they are impressive, RX6400 matched gtx1650 performance at 20W less power draw...
RX 6400 is the best of the new-for-2022 products. The amount of GPU power you get in a single-slot card that can run completely from slot power is amazing. Any reason the 6500 had to exist went away as soon as the 6400 dropped.
@Yeltnerb 1 prices for cpu's is also increasing. AMD is no longer an underdog and is therefore no longer offering good prices for consumers. All these 7nm chips are mega cheap to make, a price hike makes no sense.
I got the 6650XT at Microcenter for $254.99 about 2 weeks ago, a great value deal for my budget upgrade from a GeForce 1060 3gb. It's been performing great in 1080p and even some 1440p in certain games.
LOL I did the exact same upgrade. In retrospect the 1060 3gb turned me off nvideo gpu's for a while.
@@JrgenSolvang I have the exact same, 1060 3GB at the moment and am thinking of what to get. I always had Nvidia but jesus the price is too crazy.
@@RicePho I let my son have the 1060 3gb, found an used upgrade for him that was quite decent , a 2060 for just over £100, $140 USD. I think it was a fairly good deal. I see there are 1-2 on ebay around the same price. Its only 6gb but in rasterized performance its not to different to the 3060 8 gb version. So a used 2060 more, about double the performance of the 1060.
@Jørgen Solvang I might wait since to be honest we are already in 1 year of the 4000 series so waiting 1 more year we will get the 5000 series. I can tell we might have a recession so I don't want to play dumb with money at the moment especially when I'm in school.
@@RicePho I dont think there will be no 5000 series next year. With the current tempo of roll outs, there is probably a good 1,5 years before there is any 5000 series cards. The next "best" card from nvidea will be the 4090 ti, prolly launched sometimes around christmas, afer AMD launches their 7950xtx
It's not that "Meh" as you say. I think it basically fits nicely in the lineup, if AMD keeps the 6600 and 6650XT, and drops the 6600XT. There is still a big jump to the 6700XT, which I think is a better value for as close as it gets to the 3070, for $80 more than the 6650XT. (edit a word)
Where i live, Switzerland:
The Rx 6650 xt is basicly identical with the rx 6600 xt, at around 440 ~ chf, wich is almost 1:1 to us dollar.
The rx 6700xt in the otherhand, begins at like 600~ chf.
So there is a quite substancial price gap, even with the newer release.
It's Oct 2022, five months later and this is the bargain GPU of the century. I picked one up new from NewEgg for $265. $100+ cheaper and much better performing than the $380 3060, and leagues more powerful than my 1070 I'm replacing which I bought for $400 five years ago. Radeon GPUs just haven't gone down to MSRP, they're now $100+ cheaper than MSRP since the new GPUs are right around the corner - but it'll take those 1-2 years to come down to MSRP pricing as well. So if you're like me and been waiting for years for an upgrade (and had to wait an extra two years during the pandemic and GPU shortage) - now is the time to upgrade!
Amd : let's offer gamers the same product after a year of the original launch and increase the price
Also amd
Why do we always get negative reviews?
AMD would be bankrupt if they actually listened to the stupid ass enthusiasts who thinks corporations should be our friends
The cost per frame is literally identical. This “new” product was released to try and boost sales of their current generation of GPUs in order to dump their inventory in preparation for the new graphics cards being released next year.
This isn’t meant to be anything groundbreaking. It’s literally a refresh of GPUs that already came out and now they’re trying to rebrand them in order to boost sales.
What did you think they were going to do, release a 6650xt and make it less than the 6600xt?
@@757Bricksquad drop 6600xt price a little and release this at the previous 6600xt price
@@damara2268 what's the point when the market price is where transactions happen, not the magical msrp
@@757Bricksquad There's multiple 6650 XT's available for MSRP (400) on Newegg right now, so this is more AMD taking the scalper margin from AIB's without changing the street price. It's actually a net improvement.
Liking the video to show my support. :) It's a shame AMD doesn't try to be more competitive with nvidia. RDNA2 isn't bad by any means (I own the 6600XT and is very happy with the card) but AMD is mistreating these releases and the retail price... They surely have the room to lower prices and stay more competetive. But I guess there's no reason to do it in the current duopoly situation. They just need to offer similar performance/value.
I didn't think this was boring at all - it just confirmed for me that the 6700 XT at $479 is the best deal now!
Tbh 8 months ago this was dumb, now this is a great value, 255 for an Msi 6650xt steal
6650XT - Best value GPU
Verdict: It's slightly more performance for a higher cost near the end of the product's life cycle.
A brilliant strategy by AMD to remain in 2nd place for graphics card sales.. 🤔
Agreed im baffled at this move by AMD they did so well to close the gap between the 5000 series and 20 series where their now trading blows with NVIDIA's 30 series ..
This seems like dumb shit move from AMD , NVIDIA is still the more popular card ( people still hate on AMD drivers their behind in ray tracing and dlss is arguably better than FSR 1.0 ) where up until this point they were really winning was a great range of cards and none of these constant refresh models that NVIDIA keep shoving out to make $$$$ ..
im not sure why they have done everything in there power to ruin there good will with customers even more stupid with 7000 series cards just around the corner !!
@@volvot6rdesignawd702 "their good will with customers" never exists. AMD has legal obligation to make $ for the share holders. So if they choose a move that cost share holders $ in a situation that's supposed to give them more profit, AMD are in big trouble.
@@khoifoto good will with customers means increased market share. The kind they got historically in the CPU space, by offering significant value over Intel.
In GPU space, AMD seems to have prioritized short-term profits over long term dominance. They'd hardly get "in trouble" for shifting to a strategy closer to their historic CPU one.
@@AAjax You gotta sit in those Profit & Loss meeting once to fully understand it. Sometimes the one making decisions aren't the marketing team or sales team. Life in a large corporate aren't that simple.
@@khoifoto AMD are not in big trouble ..
NVIDIA have done the same thing in fact worse ( across their whole range effectively NVIDIA have at a rough guess 11 different GPU's in the 30 series range )
let that sink in 11 different models all in the 30 series ohh and the remade 2060 lol !!
difference is AMD are playing catch up and was not a smart move to pull a shady NVIDIA refresh while trying to get customers off NVIDIA !!
nor was is it smart to do this so close to 7000 series gpu's
Been thinking bout buying 6600xt but considering my pcie 3.0 mobo i ultimately chose 3060 cuz of x16 vs x8 of 6600xt.
And these 12 GB of ram will be more than enough for 1080p gaming for the next 3/4 years.
Considering how exceptionally slow NVidia is moving away from 6GB mainstream graphics cards in lowest third price bracket, maybe even much longer, considering even the 3070 is still hanging around with 8GB... which I don't consider bad pre se, but it doesn't make the procducts more appealing when half a decade goes by and 6GB stay the minimum "acceptable" standard for NVidia.
3060 has great OC potential, especially with a RAM OC. You can easily decrease the gap in most games.
Why do you have pcie 3 mobo in 2022 and buy a 3060 bruhhh
@@zfacersane272 is the gap between the 3060 and 6600 XT only like 2-4 percent? Hardware unboxed updated comparison showed them at around the same performance, looking like a statistical tie
@@zfacersane272 because some of us are running something like i5 10400f which is still really good cpu even for rtx 3060 so why bother with upgrading cpu ram and maybe even mb just to get like 5 more fps
I especially like that you are willing to put out boring videos so we all can be well informed. Thank you so much for all you do
though it may have been a disappointing release at launch, it seems like this card has been largely ignored by most, meaning for those who are looking to upgrade from nvidia 10x0 gpus it’s a pretty strong choice right now (in my eyes) particularly as canada computers has it on sale right now for like 350 cad, loads cheaper than any 3060 on any canadian site i could find
This was a great video for me as I am building my first gaming pc and was stuck between the RX6650 XT and the RTX 3060. Radeon for the win.
Don't forget to turn on the Smart Access Memory / Resizable Bar settings on your BIOS / UEFI to make sure that the CPU has access to all 8 GB of GDDR6 in the GPU - you will see on average a 10% boost in the performance.
Now that I was able to get a 6650XT at $240 now from New Egg, I think it was a great deal.
About to buy a similarly priced card myself, patience is a virtue, also screw greed
I just recently got it at $267 when the average market is about $330 and it's still quite hard to find the item
Same. I recently bought RX 6650 XT for $246 and it works like a charm. I can play Hogwarts Legacy on ultra setting smoothly. It's getting difficult to find that GPU in the market now.
I was able to find a 6650 XT at microcenter about a month ago. It was open box and being sold below MSRP. I bought it of course. I've been waiting for a decent price and with the warranty it came out to like $280.
Microcenter's warranty is the best around and I was glad to get such a deal. As far as I can tell, there's nothing wrong with the card.
It's 7 months after your comment and I just got one _new_ at a lower price than that!
@@TheTruthDragonNJ09 yeah. I saw at MC tge other day a 6650xt for like $209. I think it was open box or clearance tho. It's clear I was ripped off. But that's what MC warranty is for.
Around the 3 year mark, I can return it and get something better using the same money or I can just keep the card and take the L bc inflation is making money worthless.
I wonder how these 50 cards compare to a simple OC tune over stock settings. You want a free performance boost, you may be able to get it with a few sliders.
Problem is that the cooling-power usually limits what you can do, among other things.
@@termitreter6545 You can undervolt most modern Nvidia/Radeon gpus to net a decent performance uplift at lower power and temps.
@@jotunheim5302 Hm does undervolting really helps that much? Could try it, its pretty easy to do in the driver.
@@termitreter6545 It depends on your luck at the silicon lottery & other system components. Some can undervolt pretty significantly, others can't go much below stock settings because they run into instability.
Definitely worth a try though.
In my experience there are only very modest gains to be had on RDNA2 for core frequency overclocks.
Temps aren't even the limitation, they just get unstable if you try pushing more than maybe +100MHz, and AMD also set hard limits to ensure we can't make a card beat one SKU higher.
Best gains in my experience are from VRAM overclocks, and setting VRAM to use fast timings.
@Hardware Unboxed Great video! I noticed that in the cost per frame analisys @ 1440p you used the 1% low fps rather than the average, which can lead some people to think these cards are less appealing for 1440p gaming than for 1080p. But incredible analisys, as always!
Since I'm used to take a look at the used market for quite some time now, *it would have been nice to include 2-3 competitors from the previous generation to your comparison* +Hardware Unboxed like a RTX 2080, RX 5700 (maybe even the XT?) or even the GTX 1660 Super as an option for a bit less performance but also lower power?!
I think especially with the look at power consumption (due to high energy prices in some countries), the actual price for buying and the question of future proof would make this an interesting battle.
yeah. they could make it interesting if they are imaginative enough. But I guess they know their audience
I just ordered a RX6600 TX at the lower price of $599 AUD (just over $600 with postage) to replace my ageing RX 570 so I expect a general improvement in the games I play which are never on your tests. I play mostly RPG (e.g. Pathfinder) and strategy games ( e.g. Total War) although I do have AC Valhalla. The NVidia choices would require a power upgrade of around $75 AUD extra which is over my budget.
As I have been waiting a year or more to make this purchase it seemed to be the right time and as I am unemployed it was the better price after hunting around online stores. My elderly mother owns our PC but I have saved enough to use my own money to buy this card and as I live with her and care for her it is a kind of self-reward. She's a saint and I would regret sending her to an Aged Care home as it seems like a death sentence under this Coalition government. (Sorry about the politics!)
The new AMD drivers "may preview" are awesome for the rx6000 series. I hope you are going to use it for your next test. It is gonna change the final picture. I have installed them and fps gain can be massive in certain games.
On average I get 11% fps gain when playing the dx11 games in my Steam library ( at 1440p with 6900xt)
There is also very good SAM optimization for death threading and WD legion
Yeah great news bro. It only took AMD like 1,5 years to release a set of "awesome" drivers.
@@TwiztedJugallo Cope.
@@truereaper4572 seethe and dilate.
@@TwiztedJugallo let him KNOW
Oops, I'm Brazilian and I see some channels that I follow here on br talk about you and I came to take a look, it's the third or second video I've seen here (I'm new subscriber). And they are very complete and informative, I liked it. And it's pretty insane to see that we pay 4x the amount here at br.
it seems a lot of reviewer didnt like to mention how good the pricing was compared to nvidia 3060/3060 ti for gaming, i think the RTX really swayed the bias to justify higher price tag
6650 and 3060ti are like the same price
@@randomlycasual4941 no they're not, the 3060ti is 100$ more
@@Lord-kd3ee here in Brazil, it's even worse, the difference it's around 200$ (USD,) $604 (USD) (rx6600xt) and $802 (rtx 3060ti)
@Sixgorillionshekelswindler Shlomo ok and? it's still more expensive.
@@Lord-kd3ee lol, right now RX 6650xt isn't even purchasable yet where I live & the RTX 3060 & RX 6600XT are the same price 😅 (€480,-). Pricing is still as whacky as ever since that price tag seems to change almost weekly here.
I bought it a couple of months in Spain for 220€..the best buy my life
AMD really isn't increasing prices so much. Inflation has made the USD worth less than it was, and AMD is just compensating for that, and not really enough considering how much inflation has drive other prices up.
It's too bad wages aren't indexed to inflation; otherwise this logic would make sense.
@@joeykeilholz925 They are entitled to their profits!
@@joeykeilholz925 Wages follow inflation with a delay depending on the job market. The more unfilled jobs there are, the faster it follows. Both are a natural consequence of political policies.
In short:
Money printer go brrrrrr = inflation
Higher taxes = fewer jobs = lower job growth
We get what we vote for.
@@tilapiadave3234 They were talking in terms of USD. On the up side, as the USD degrades in value, it allows other countries to get more for their currency.
@@tilapiadave3234 When an MSRP is set in USD and the exchange rate of AUD to USD goes down, fewer AUD are required to buy it, if the AUD isn't also being degraded.
Went from an RX 570 to a 6650 XT, I was originally going to buy the 6600 XT but once i heard they were coming out with a refresh I waited, nice to have a little more performance
and how does it felt -since 2 mounths?
@@ta6letka no issues overclock is very stable, runs everything very well, they are much cheaper now then when i bought it
Prices are so much better now. I can't believe that PC gaming made it out of this pricing apocalypse 😂
The price has dropped substantially. I just purchased a PowerColor Hellhound RX 6650 XT for $230 from the egg. It was on backorder when I bought it, but there was a notice stating that it should be back in stock by the following day, and now it's on the way. Amazon has the PowerColor Fighter (cheaper version with no backing plate or RGB fans) for the same $230 price.
The thing that angered me the most is that AMD charts compared the 6650xt to 3060 while pricing it as the 3060ti.
But 3060 real msrp price is 450$
Well you might want to look at our pricing charts for a more accurate picture of price to performance.
Wait driver and bios updates dude. Its amd fps uplifting soon.
@@Hablift finger crossed 🤞
Well the MSRP means jack when on the actual market prices on it is cheaper than the 3060 by quite a bit
Just picked up an MSI Mech RX6650XT for 399CAD (294USD). On sale is cheaper than the RX6600XT, so it was a no Brainer. So far, I am very happy with the purchase.
Paired with a 11600kf and 32gb ram on an MSI Z590M GAMING EDGE WIFI
People must not have bought these like AMD hoped because last week I got the Hellhound from Amazon for $313. The gigabyte Eagle was actually $299 for a couple of days.
So a good thing, I think?
Not a boring video at all. I think you brought up all points people need to hear when looking for a card in these ranges. So to me this video was great. Cheers
Yet another blow to those naive, die-hard AMD fans who thought that company was different and pro-consumer. The moment its products have become more competitive, their pricing policy continues to become more and more like its rivals.
AMD is a fucking joke with this gen gpus. Producing massive e-waste with their rx6400 and rx6500xts.
Now with relaunch, which nobody wants actually to buy for those prices.
Have you watched the video? It has the lowest cost per frame - ua-cam.com/video/dIohkbd--l8/v-deo.html
@@brownie43212 assassination of jensen huang would have saved the gaming industry.
@@brownie43212 they weren’t pro consumer, they just had lower prices because they had inferior products so it was their only way to compete
@@cheese186 exactly
The reason for introducing the 6x50XTs at a higher price that the 6x00 XT GPUs is to give buyers some incentive to buy the original cards so that the AIBs can sell off their inventory of the older cards. If they were the same price there would be no reason at all to buy the older cards and the AIBs and retailers could be stuck with old inventory that they would have a problem moving.
I suspect that because of this and some other considerations the MSRPs for the new GPUs will be reduced in the not too distant future when the inventory of the older cards has been drawn down.
I think that people need to realize that the economic circumstances that allowed cards like the GTX 750ti and 1050ti to be developed are gone forever.
Effectively zero inflation, wage increases, interest rates and inflation, and a system pumped full of free money in the form of quantitate easing since 2008, meant that corporations like NVidia and AMD had so much cash they could buy back shares never mind develop new products cheaply. Whether you like it or not this is the new normal that the pandemic/lockdown has created.
The 1050Ti was already WAY overpriced for what you got. Idk why some people got hyped over that thing. An RX470 got you like >50% more frames per euro/dollar.
@@termitreter6545 Probably the lack of any pin connectors.
Printing money does a lot more than pandemic
Great video steve! And you are right.
I also do not see realistic and objetive prices in my country by the supply and the demanding. Many new cards are on the shelves, but "nobody" buy them while more and more old gen cards appear on second hand market and hard to sell them for the well known high prices...
Scalpers do not wat to decrease the price becuse of their "precious" margin. So just the whole market is "standing" and waiting. But waiting for what? I see most of ppl are fed up already with these high prices and the do not want to pay this much.
Market members (factory, retails, scalpers) just should decrease all prices.
Quite consistent increase in minimums, which is nice, and likely due to the faster memory. Were this card priced where it should be, at $279, it would be really nice.
Worthwhile sub 300 cards are dead now
@@lucasvaughn629 true enough, they pretty much have been since last gen already
This was a $300 card in 2017, it's nuts that it's this expensive for this tier now.
I still remember buying the AMD 5700XT Anniversary Edition for $450 direct from AMDs website, July of 2019. No waits or hassle and that was top of the line from them. AMD was better priced back then but since mining era really screwed up the market for all and thus AMD was able to get away with charging more for their cards but their actual MSRP values are where they should be but now the world's going to hell with inflation at least here in the states... all bullshit... let it all burn.
keep in mind this is built on 7nm just like rdna1 (5600/5700 xt) but amd is pricing it so much higher
Thanks a lot! This is the right video that I was looking before I update my GPU. It has been very helpful!
Ah I do love the sight of an embargo lifting and my notifications being filled with nothing but reviews.
Thank you for reviewing the card that actually matters to most of us
I've watched this video because I am used to and like watching HUB, not because I find gpus interesting. In fact, they haven't been that way for a long time. I seriously believe plenty of people will agree with me. Makes me wonder if their next gen products are so flawed, that they're trying to soften the blow with these uninteresting, underwhelming launches. The new RX 7800 XT - 40% hotter, 40% more power hungry, but at least it is 50% faster! Oh, and 50% more expensive, but you're used to it already
The power consumption and cost by itself is irrelevant, if they do 2k$ card that uses 700w and performs like 2 flagships from previous gen then a 700$ 200w card that performs like the last gen flagship it's just further product segmentation and still a win for the consumer.
The trend unfortunately is to increase prices with performance which is annoying, so I hope they will at least slot more gpus in the gaps that they are creating.
After all there are the 7100-7300 and 4010-4040 numbers to fill with gpus like the 6500xt.
@@wujekcientariposta back in 2015 I got a refurbished 7870 from 2012 for 100 euros. Today, in 2022, I'd expect 2016s gtx 1070 level of performance for similar kind of money, or maybe 150 due to horrendous inflation. Can't get it in my market for 300 yet (unless it is a used 1070, which goes for 250). So, we know how horrid the market is, but I feel like the manufacturers aren't even trying to make it interesting or worth at least my time. Like if you purchased an i5 2500k before the Ryzen era - not sure you cared about the new cpus all that much
Bought a RX 6650 XT for 240€ (in Germany) recently, this is more than enough, when playing on a 1080p Monitor with frames capped at 60 via RivaTuner for smooth frame times.
Hi, what brand of card you get, and how is all working, temperature etc ? 😉
@@antonije6312The Custom Cooler came from XFX, so it is the "XFX Radeon RX 6650 XT Speedster SWFT 210". It is working as intended, most of my games are not a problem at all, with Witcher 3 (Ultra) at ~60 FPS and Cyberpunk (Ultra) at ~70 FPS. Most demanding is Ratchet and Clank (Very High) with consistent drops down to 45-50 FPS. Temperatures are manageable, with peaks under load at ~80°C, but the cooler is not configured to run full speed, as far as I see. This is my solution for the next 3-5 years, until a more capable but reasonably priced GPU under 300€ comes along.
@@FUNktshnl Thank you for your reply. I plan to buy the cheapest Power Color RX 6650 XT to have for next 2-3 years and 1080p gaming 😊
given the current price for the 6650xt at 230$, is a bargain
Amazing reviews always! I mean i follow this channel become about 4-5 years, best quality for all times. Thank you for everything.
6650xt 1440p 1% lows fps on average is more often at or above 60. That makes it a solid choice for gamers trying to balance price against game experience. The old 6600 and 6600xt will need settings turned down more often.
One thing to keep in mind is the 6600XT easily overclocks to the 6650XT speeds. Mine overclocked to 2800mhz core and 2200mhz VRAM with ease. Didn't have to increase the voltage or anything and heat isn't an issue either.
Ended up buying a 6650 XT at 400, as I couldn’t find a 3060 TI for anything lower than 599. Upgrading from a 2060
Nvidia slightly more performance for a lot more money
Amd same performance for slightly more money
Lol
I bought the 6650 xt at 330 usd, pretty happy with its performance
You guys should include a quick OC FPS gain. I know silicon lottery and such, but it still would be nice to see how much room more or less is there
buy them 4 of each GPU so they have a good idea of what a "typical OC" will be
6650XT is a board power increase more than a factory overclock. They charge more because they put another heat pipe in it. You can add 15% power limit to a 6600 and get the same numbers.
Just got a 6650xt merc for 320! I don't think there's a better price/performance card out right now.
I got a gigabyte 6650xt yesterday for 265$. waiting for its arrival
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As an AMD GPU user for the past 10 years, I agree with what you said about AMD. They are in no position to bump up their prices to NVIDIA equivalent card level, as their feature set is less than NVIDIA. AMD always had one advantage over nvidia and it was bang-for-buck pricing. Once they started to ask the same or more than nvidia for similar performance, I personally don't see any reason to buy AMD cards anymore. Same (or even worse) with Ryzen processors.
p.s. would be nice if you included a watt-per-frame comparison.
It's because AMD is finally catching up. The instant they took performance crown from Intel, the roles flipped and Ryzen quit being the value king.
Word is it's about to happen again, with all leakers saying RDNA3 will beat Lovelace in rasterization and match it in RT.
I’ve seen a few others asking the same, the one reason I’m looking at an AMD graphics & CPU is the interest in energy saving, but the reviewers have yet to include a power to FPS chart..
@@boomish69 Well you'd generally have to use a card for many years to even make up the price difference between one card and another anyway.
Also if that's your main concern then all cards scale differently with power limits. So you could cut your power draw on a 3090 by a lot and not lose much performance, whereas something like a 6500, you'll probably see a similar percent drop in performance and power draw.
I am impressed how the 6700XT caughed up and is on the same Level as the RTX 3070 (at least in 1080p), after a few Driver releases now, while having less Power Draw and being 100€ Cheaper.
Let's see how the 6750XT will perform. At least those refresh Models will lower the Price for the non Refresh Models even further.
lmao someone is delusional and missed the 50 game summary of Hardware Unboxed where they show 13% gap at 1440p.
@@MaggotCZ
and you should watch the Video again and then read my post, but this time turn on your Display. I said in 1080p, not 1440p.
And besides, that 50 Game Summary between 3070 vs. 6700XT was in March.
2 Driver Releases Ago.
@@MaggotCZ man's literally can't read.
It hasnt, in the 50 game benchmark it got even slower vs the 3070, i believe it was about 9 percent slower at 1080p and 13 percent slower in 1440p, the resolution those cards are really made for. The 10-12 game benchmark just favors AMD because it has a more equal amount of games that AMD is optimized for VS games Nvidia is optimized for. I had a 6700 XT and that card performs more like a 3060 Ti than a 3070
Great video. Thank you for the info. ASRock model is currently $299 USD.
Because why not? Given that they're just trying to sell stock they have, not surprising that they're trying to use every piece of silicon that they have made. Trying to get it out the door now before Nvidia drops the RTX 4000 series and likely the low end 30 series.
I don't think low end next gen will be out before November, if then.
@@defeqel6537 it wouldn't be low on next-gen, it would be ultra low end current gen stuff. I expect Invidia to try and entice the 1650 class of buyers. 16 series is around three years old now, the timing lines up for NVIDIA to release a low-end and ultra-low and card that reuses some of the old silicon, so they can drop production of their turing and even some of their old fermi based gt 710/410/210 stuff.
It may be the more boring part of the market but it's also where the majority of us shop and I thank you for your efforts. In desperation a year ago I signed up with the EVGA reservation list for both a 3060 and then a 3060TI because there was absolutely nothing out there. A couple of months ago I was stunned that I was notified that the 3060 was available to me at MSRP. I bought it and ran it in my new build. A month ago, the 3060TI notification came through and I had a major fist fight with myself as to whether I should buy it because you guys told me not to. I did buy it and I now have a 3060 that I'm going to put inside my son's new build. These are still rough times to do a build and I'm kind of glad that I bought the cards but they weren't easy decisions.
So with 3060s selling for ~$370 in the US from places like EVGA and having a much better feature set, why buy a 6650?
indeed if you can get the 3060 at that price the graph changes a lot, it all comes down to deals and pricing.
Waited for your review, thank you for the video.
The price what theyre asking is like the same as 3060tis msrp. And the nvidia counter part is better in like 9/10 games.
Amd never learns how to market their stuff.
When has the 3060ti been at MSRP? Its a fake price from Nvidia.
Are you for real. Nvidia lagged far behind on all of the tested games with the exception of one. Oops.
@@johnvandeven2188 you must be blind.
@@defectiveclone8450 do you think this card will be available for msrp other than first week from the day it drops. Amd cards have been sitting on shelves cause nobody is buying them for the current prices. Specially in europe the amd prices are worse than Nvidia
the 3060ti hasn't been at its MSRP in like forever but 6600xt has been MSRP for a couple of months now. Nvidia MSRP's are pretty much a lie If you could get a 3060ti at MSRP its better than everything at the 300 to 500 price level but good luck finding one.
Picked up a 6650xt for 260$ Black Friday and it makes the cards price per perf top notch
AMD becoming the very thing it was supposed not to be. But again we should remember they are for business not for product
Just bought a 6650 xt for my niece last night. Performance seems really good in 1080p. She went from a gtx 1070 ti to rx 6650 xt. I was thinking of a 3060, but that was $400 bucks, and the 3060 ti was $460. These reviews keep talking about msrp, but let's be real aib are not selling for msrp. The 6650xt cost me $320. 6650 was 80 dollars cheaper than 3060, and 140 dollars cheaper than 3060 ti. Prices were based in December 2022 at bestbuy.
For some weird reasons the prices for 300 series aren't even falling on the 2nd hand market. I guess if you paid like >650€ fpr a 3060ti last year or 1.5 years ago, you'
re not really willing to sell it low now but energy prices in the US are pretty low so there should be a ton of 300 series cards from former miners... Why don't you just buy a used one? If I get my 3060ti for 305€ (~320USD) used in Germany it should be a piece of cake buying a used one for little money in the US.
@KolnFriedChicken I am not huge on buying cards from miners. I had always bought second hand and no issues, but I bought off a miner once in 2016-17, and the card was bad. It looked immaculate, but he lied about how well it was working. He told me he had surged the 1060 and that it was now my issue. Luckily, though, MSI was willing to send me a new card after I told then my situation and replaced it. That's why I don't buy used anymore.
In tech terms this is a very old review, GPU prices change on a weekly basis.. mostly, but yeah currently the 6650xt in most region's can't be beat when it come to price vs performance
This is probably to get you used to a 450$ 7600xt
This is the "7600xt".
There will be no 7600xt card for very long time
@@damara2268 that’s where you are wrong kiddo
@@Anlazo he is not wrong thats how it works. When was the last time amd or nvidia released a 60 with their high end.. that doesnt happen. Next year will happen
Just purchased it for $339, currently it's the best bang for your buck and it's one of the only few white GPU's out there.
Just a reminder, last year you were passing on AIBs concerns that the AMD suggested pricing of 6xx0 cards was unrealistic, so maybe this increase is just bringing those prices up to reality
You have to consider that prices are still 50-100% more than they should be for all resolution categories. in 2019, it was $200 on average for high refresh rate 1080p and $300-400 for 1440p. It is now $300-500 for 1080p and $400-700 for 1440p.
Even with the chip shortages and inflation, thats still too high.
Wasn't that boring lol. Im actually deciding between the 3060 and the rx 6650 xt. Im upgrading from a 1660. Right now the 6650 xt is going for about 290 to 300 which isn't too bad, at least in new egg. Still going back and forth between the two. Great video.
Which one is better? I’m also thinking of getting one of these.
I think the reason why AMD is so willing to jack up prices, is because TSMC, the company that makes thier chips, is still at full capacity. They can't get more chips produced in general. Thier new fabs are in the process of being completed.
Even if AMD wanted more market share, they can't get more, as thier production cannot be increased, so the only way to make more money, is to increase per unit pricing.
I don't think Nvidia or AMD expected the crypto market to crash and burn earlier in the year. Products tend to have large lead times in production, so when all of these refreshes were planned, demand was still through the roof from crypto miners.
Just squeezing those grapes one last time.
Great testing Steve. Thank you for your hard work.
It has been a really, sadly, cathartic ritual watching videos here AMD have been thoroughly exposed as 'Just as bad as Nvidia'. The vitriol from either sides fans just puts people off of PC gaming and rightly so, it's toxic asking even basic questions on sites. While Intel/Nvidia fans are no angels by a long shot, it has been refreshing to see AMD fans being given a proper glimpse into who AMD really are.......and hopefully a respite on comments that now seem sheepish and double standards.
While AMD may not be the customer's "friend" base on pricing, it's pretty easy to make a good argument they are still a damn site better than nVidia. Team Green has a pretty long history of pushing hard proprietary tech, being an absolute nightmare to work with for their partners, and outright lying about their business and financial workings. AMD is definitely trying to make as much cash as possible and using inflation/supply chain/covid as cover to push their margins higher than ever (as so, so many other corps are doing) but Jensen and his team are absolutely bad on a level that exceeds just pricing being less than ideal.
@@jellorelic My history with AMD goes back before the Duron days........they are not the 'good guys' and the only reason they have been 'ahem....fairer' recently is because they had no choice and without pricing they were over. Now that they have a market share they are just back being who they really are and always were....it's not a new thing, it's just opportunity. Now, I agree that Jensen etal are quite a bunch of lowlife scumbags but one thing about Nvidia can hardly be denied.....they are open about robbing you. AMD and Nvidia are all run by one family now, so don't believe that the last few years of 'underdog champion' was a choice...it wasn't.
Nice to have the 6500, 6600 and 6700 variants for the 1080p gamers and the Not-into-Ray-Tracing gamers.. those AMD cards are cheaper than most RTX cards and can even compete with the RTX 3060 in terms of FPS/performance
Interesting. It would have been good to see the RX5600XT on the list, since it's much more likely that those owners would be looking to upgrade, rather than RX6600 or RX6600XT, particularly the jump from 6 to 8 GB VRAM.
Between the Rx 6600 and 5600xt the jump is of 10% average, same performance if you use PCIE 3 (I have both).
It's stupid to upgrade from 5600 XT to a 6600-series.
@@donnerstal Only if you need HDMI 2.1, OLED tv and any kind of 4k tv doesn't accept plus 60 fps on windows 10 on HDMI 2.0, if you try it chroma down sample so much it looks worst than an old beat up TN panel and freesync refuses to work.
would like to see the 5700/xt in the mix too since im still sitting with my 5700xt since 2019
Got my XFX QICK308 RX 6650 XT for 280€ new in Spain at the beginning of the month while a 4060 (not TI) is 380€, so yeah, here it makes sense
With the reduced demand for mining cards what do you guys think is still propping up Nvidia pricing? I can't see people putting _that_ much stock into Raytracing performance and DLSS. Are AIBs simply not willing to drop GeForce pricing or are these still selling at the inflated prices?
When is your 5700X review coming?