Can you comment on the tactics for your sorcerer unit with frenzy banner? Is it just to give them some extra speed since they don’t get a rank bonus like that? Does frenzy actually help since they are only 4 wide?
Hi there. The frenzy banner is so that the unit doesn't tank panic/terror checks. In a marching column I don't have to make a charge move (but do have to declare if able)
My Knights of the Realm failed their restrain roll every time I needed them to hold so I could charge on my following turn which is why they remained blunted. My Grail Knights with a Grail Paladin not doing anything to the Chaos Lord on the dragon really hurt and basically that was the game. Good times against Blue and a great game. Tons of fun at Adepticon.
How are those chaff Warhounds being run as a unit? It looks like they are 2 wide, but the last model seems to not be facing the same direction as the rest of the unit. Is there a reason for that?
I'm through the first two games - good recaps! One thing to note - Oaken Shield is a range "Self" spell. Looks like at least in these first two games it's been cast on units without the wizard. Maybe I'm misinterpreting that, but I saw it on th dragon ogres against the TK dragon!
I found one, finally! A battle report on YT where players are competent. I have been trying to see how the game plays by watching YT video battle reports, but so far every single one I've seen was either played pretty badly at best or just so appalingly that my WFB vet's heart broke at worst. After the last one, where a guy took a unit of trolls just to deploy them outside of generals Ld (yeah, I scrolled to the end of the video, they stayed there the entire time) I gave up. In most reports, players just shove things forward, charging at first opportunity regardless of whether it makes sense or not and they completely disregard probabilities of success when making any RNG-involving decisions. Seeing even pretty basic things like baiting a charge at a desired angle to flee and put the opponent's unit in a bad position has never happened in any of those games. This one feels actually well played by the Chaos player - redirecting, baiting enemies into overrun traps and closing them, predicting where units will end up a turn from now etc. The Dragon helps ofc, and is an "easy" button wherever it's employed, but the rest of the army seems to also be used very well. You appear to be aware of what your units can and can't achieve against a particular opponent, and use them accordingly (for example keeping your infantry back in the Bretonnia battle). Thank you for being the shining star of solid WFB gameplay on YT :) You are truly special ;)
Oh wow, thank you for the glorious comment towards my strategy and tactics! 🤘 The dragon is most definitely an easy button, but people complain there's no data so I'm going to give it to them haha
@@shagmetz I try to keep everything away from them so the magic missile platform and the Puppet gets full use. Basically it doesn't want to get into combat period, just bodyguard for the level 4
Edited a little since AdeptiCon, but this is basically it WoC [2000 pts] ++ Characters [957 pts] ++ Skaozhu the Merciless [627 pts] - Hand weapon - Full plate armour - Shield - Mark of Nurgle - General - Chaos Dragon - 2x Favour of the Gods - Paymaster's Coin - Ogre Blade - Enchanting Aura Kirex, Bringer of Fire [330 pts] - Hand weapon - Heavy armour - Mark of Tzeentch - Level 4 Wizard - On foot - Infernal Puppet - Spell Familiar - Ruby Ring of Ruin - Battle Magic ++ Core Units [500 pts] ++ 5 Chaos Warhounds [35 pts] - Claws and Fangs (Hand weapons) - Vanguard 5 Chaos Warhounds [35 pts] - Claws and Fangs (Hand weapons) - Vanguard 5 Chaos Warhounds [30 pts] - Claws and Fangs (Hand weapons) 5 Chaos Warhounds [30 pts] - Claws and Fangs (Hand weapons) 19 Chaos Warriors [370 pts] - Halberds - Heavy armour - Shields - Mark of Tzeentch - Champion - Standard bearer [Banner of Rage] ++ Special Units [313 pts] ++ 3 Dragon Ogres [189 pts] - Great weapons - Heavy armour 1 Dragon Ogres [62 pts] - Halberds - Heavy armour 1 Dragon Ogres [62 pts] - Halberds - Heavy armour ++ Rare Units [230 pts] ++ Ezhor the Unstoppable [230 pts] - Giant's Club - Scaly Skin (Heavy Armour) - Regeneration (6+)
As a WoC player, it's sad to see that the best units are mostly non-warriors. Just curious, besides the obvious dragon, would a Beastmen army not do something similar but better? You still have your hounds, dogres and giant, the bray shaman is agruably better at zapping with the hagtree fetish, and you still have other really good units in the roster like razorgors, core chariots and ghorgons.
Can you comment on the tactics for your sorcerer unit with frenzy banner? Is it just to give them some extra speed since they don’t get a rank bonus like that? Does frenzy actually help since they are only 4 wide?
Hi there. The frenzy banner is so that the unit doesn't tank panic/terror checks. In a marching column I don't have to make a charge move (but do have to declare if able)
@@squarehammer9349thank you! Awesome tactics
My Knights of the Realm failed their restrain roll every time I needed them to hold so I could charge on my following turn which is why they remained blunted. My Grail Knights with a Grail Paladin not doing anything to the Chaos Lord on the dragon really hurt and basically that was the game. Good times against Blue and a great game. Tons of fun at Adepticon.
Agreed. So many fails to restrain and your damn peg knights. Also, Dragons OP
Brutal game Pat! Awesome seeing both of you this year!
I was in this event, with Chaos Dwarfs! Great video. Dragon Ogres for the win!
Dragon ogres are great for their points.
Nice!! I think I took some pictures of them
That Empire army looked sweet!
Great video. I think they need to dubble the cost of all dragons to ballance the power a bit. Or say no dragons for turnaments.
Agreed. Some kind of comp needs to happen or they will just rule the tournaments
How are those chaff Warhounds being run as a unit? It looks like they are 2 wide, but the last model seems to not be facing the same direction as the rest of the unit. Is there a reason for that?
Hi there. Yeup. They're in a matching column for x3 marching. The last dog is turned that way for ease of movement since he fits in the tray that way
I'm through the first two games - good recaps!
One thing to note - Oaken Shield is a range "Self" spell. Looks like at least in these first two games it's been cast on units without the wizard. Maybe I'm misinterpreting that, but I saw it on th dragon ogres against the TK dragon!
Thanks! I called it out in the first game (some words appear saying)
@@squarehammer9349 Ah, my bad then. Should've been paying closer attention. Either way, great job!!
Great recap. I've never seen anyone run hounds in that formation. What's the reason for that? Just curious as I might adopt the tactic.
column formation, triple move
@@iohanart damn it that's right. Not use to the rule yet. I'm definitely doing that.
Yep. DOGGY DART! Figured I'd call them that since they're used to be the Rat Dart. 35 points for some incredible chaff
Amazing looking armies!
So many people complimented your work, it was awesome
I found one, finally! A battle report on YT where players are competent. I have been trying to see how the game plays by watching YT video battle reports, but so far every single one I've seen was either played pretty badly at best or just so appalingly that my WFB vet's heart broke at worst. After the last one, where a guy took a unit of trolls just to deploy them outside of generals Ld (yeah, I scrolled to the end of the video, they stayed there the entire time) I gave up. In most reports, players just shove things forward, charging at first opportunity regardless of whether it makes sense or not and they completely disregard probabilities of success when making any RNG-involving decisions. Seeing even pretty basic things like baiting a charge at a desired angle to flee and put the opponent's unit in a bad position has never happened in any of those games.
This one feels actually well played by the Chaos player - redirecting, baiting enemies into overrun traps and closing them, predicting where units will end up a turn from now etc. The Dragon helps ofc, and is an "easy" button wherever it's employed, but the rest of the army seems to also be used very well.
You appear to be aware of what your units can and can't achieve against a particular opponent, and use them accordingly (for example keeping your infantry back in the Bretonnia battle). Thank you for being the shining star of solid WFB gameplay on YT :) You are truly special ;)
Oh wow, thank you for the glorious comment towards my strategy and tactics! 🤘
The dragon is most definitely an easy button, but people complain there's no data so I'm going to give it to them haha
I must have missed it, why do you deploy the warriors in bus formation?
They have the banner of Rage (always frenzy) so they won't be forced to make a charge move
@@squarehammer9349 ok gotcha, so do you just let them get charged and rely on the kills, or reform when you think it's necessary?
@@shagmetz I try to keep everything away from them so the magic missile platform and the Puppet gets full use. Basically it doesn't want to get into combat period, just bodyguard for the level 4
Army looks amazing you have a copy of your list?
Edited a little since AdeptiCon, but this is basically it
WoC [2000 pts]
++ Characters [957 pts] ++
Skaozhu the Merciless [627 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Full plate armour
- Shield
- Mark of Nurgle
- General
- Chaos Dragon
- 2x Favour of the Gods
- Paymaster's Coin
- Ogre Blade
- Enchanting Aura
Kirex, Bringer of Fire [330 pts]
- Hand weapon
- Heavy armour
- Mark of Tzeentch
- Level 4 Wizard
- On foot
- Infernal Puppet
- Spell Familiar
- Ruby Ring of Ruin
- Battle Magic
++ Core Units [500 pts] ++
5 Chaos Warhounds [35 pts]
- Claws and Fangs (Hand weapons)
- Vanguard
5 Chaos Warhounds [35 pts]
- Claws and Fangs (Hand weapons)
- Vanguard
5 Chaos Warhounds [30 pts]
- Claws and Fangs (Hand weapons)
5 Chaos Warhounds [30 pts]
- Claws and Fangs (Hand weapons)
19 Chaos Warriors [370 pts]
- Halberds
- Heavy armour
- Shields
- Mark of Tzeentch
- Champion
- Standard bearer [Banner of Rage]
++ Special Units [313 pts] ++
3 Dragon Ogres [189 pts]
- Great weapons
- Heavy armour
1 Dragon Ogres [62 pts]
- Halberds
- Heavy armour
1 Dragon Ogres [62 pts]
- Halberds
- Heavy armour
++ Rare Units [230 pts] ++
Ezhor the Unstoppable [230 pts]
- Giant's Club
- Scaly Skin (Heavy Armour)
- Regeneration (6+)
I was the one playing the fleshy/bloody daemons in this event. Fun event even if I went 0-3. :P
Nice dude!
No worries there, for now it's about slamming games for reps
What model are you using as you chaos giant? It looks great!
Thanks dude. It's a Vortex Beast from GW
That poor tomb king player just opened the door for your dragon to kill his casket 😅
Very true. People aren't used to the power of dragons yet
Great report, thanks for sharing! Was Adepticon hosted on BCP?
Thanks dude! Yeah it was, I'll be doing a Vlog chatting about it with lists and placing next week
I think his channel is ChiHammer. Looks like a fun time!
it is =D
@@chihammerfantasybattles8588 I never forget a mohawk :)
How many points was this?
2,000
As a WoC player, it's sad to see that the best units are mostly non-warriors. Just curious, besides the obvious dragon, would a Beastmen army not do something similar but better? You still have your hounds, dogres and giant, the bray shaman is agruably better at zapping with the hagtree fetish, and you still have other really good units in the roster like razorgors, core chariots and ghorgons.
Agreed. It just seems that this is how you make a stronger list in this edition :/
Beastmen are very strong right now and yes to all of that haha
Alas my poor wood elves, they dont like fire or dragons XD
Twas rough, but I did realize that you should have FBIGO with the riders
@@squarehammer9349 I don't think it would have made much difference at that point 😂
Ppl who keep telling me the Tomb Kings are a top army are full of it
I think TK, WoC, HE, and Brets are the top right now
@@squarehammer9349 I keep seeing the Tomb Kings getting trashed. Granted there aren't a ton of battle reports right now
@@LandofMert76 it's still a newer edition plus many newer players are starting them so it brings down the average. Dragon + LD bomb is nasty