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Gotta love how even when the movie is named after the autistic character, they don't get to actually be the protagonist, or even much of a real character compared to the people around them.
True, even when the name of the movie is the name of the autistic character, it's never about the autistic character, it's always about the caretakers and how "haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard" their life is.
She did actually make the movie with input and support from Autism Speaks. Autistic people warned her against them on Twitter and she responded with "surprise" and "horror", but in the end her actions showed the worthlessness of her words because she kept working with them anyway and told the autistic people that they were wrong to call her out on working with a hate group in disguise.
"Were trying to show love to all of the caregivers and all of the people on the autism spectrum-" It's so telling that Sia mentions caregivers first and the actual autistic people second.
@@MsBrendalina It's because it's supposed to be a movie about autism and they gave their titular autistic character no agency. She's treated like a prop for the plot to use. Sia literally compares Music to an inanimate object in interviews.
@@MsBrendalina It’s not her acknowledging the caregivers that’s the problem. It’s that she instinctively mentioned them first. For me personally it tells me that she values pleasing the caregivers more than…you know….the people the movie was supposed to be about?
I would expect it's because Sia has a friend who is a caregiver and is probably a lot more intune with caregivers, than she is with anyone with autism (obviously she doesn't know/have a relationship with many people with autism otherwise the movie would be very different).
I feel bad for Maddy. She seems really sweet and she knew better and was concerned about the portrayal, and was a child but she has literally been groomed most of her life to go along with what the successful adults are telling her to do and Sia took advantage of that.
She truly does seem like such a sweet person. I do feel bad for her that felt like she had to do this role even though she didn’t want to. I’ve heard a theory that Sia actually just wanted Maddy to be the main character and would’ve fired whoever they originally cast bc she had it in her mind that Maddy would play that role. Idk for sure if that’s true. It is strange that when the autistic person that they said they originally worked with wasn’t a good fit since they couldn’t provide a good environment (which I can get to some extent bc there are some things with the film industry that will have to be there). It seems there wasn’t much of an attempt. It also doesn’t seem like she reached out to Anton else who might’ve auditioned and also been autistic. I get that it’s possible to just not get any autistic ppl to audition but if that’s the case do so much research. The best research is one where you look into what autistic ppl say about what it’s like being autistic. If they have a video or post about good and bad autism representation then watch that to get some dos and don’ts
@@facthunt2facthunt245 when you're in a situation like that with an imbalanced power dynamic, there's a lot of manipulation, and she'd likely have been pressured and made to feel that she wasn't able to say no
personally (as an autistic person), i refuse to forgive sia/her movie for actively glorifying a restraint method *that has killed people*, and then lied about promising to cut it from the movie when she got called out for it. that’s such an unimaginably dangerous thing to portray uncritically, and it’s shown as (narratively) the key for zu to start understanding and bonding with music more closely. i am genuinely horrified to think that there may have been a person who watched this film with an autistic person in their life and decided to try that restraint method because it worked for music.
I had a meltdown at wal mart and several strangers tried to "grab" me. I had a friend with me, had to get in their way to stop them from touching me. The Wal Mart Cashier demanded "grab her" to my friend. "Grab" me?! I wonder where they learned that wrong reaction, probably that Sai movie.
Crushing someone, especially to calm them down, is just a terrible and dangerous idea. I'm glad it never happened to me. That would have been traumatic, if not injurous. I was digging my nails into my palms as I saw the images. "Crushing with love" is just plain wrong.
@@Gothymothmoth I remember being disgusted when I read an interview where Sia was talking about how toxic fame was and how much it had harmed her, whilst simultaneously pushing tween Maddie as "the face" of her music. How can a grown woman recognise that fame is so difficult to cope with and put that burden onto a child she claims to care about?
Sia’s treatment of Maddie is incredibly fucking creepy and I hope Maddie is able to get away and reflect. She doesn’t have to talk about that part of her life and we’re ofc not entitled to hearing it- I just want peace for Maddie and other afab victims of afab abusers, who’re really rarely taken seriously or allowed to set boundaries and cut off their abusers.
@@Lucifersfursona yeah, it's super gross and i hate how hardly anyone ever talked about it being so. it's literally grooming but no one seems to acknowledge that it is.
This is reminding me of how Daniel Kwan, co-director of Everything Everywhere All At Once, ended up being diagnosed with ADHD as a result of the movie. Basically, during the writing of the movie, they realised that the emerging main character was seeming pretty ADHD coded, and they felt this would be a cool angle to lean into, but that they needed to go learn about ADHD to ensure they weren't just making a tropey, insensitive character. It was because of this research that Daniel Kwan came to realise that he had ADHD. I wonder if Sia might have gotten a diagnosis sooner if she had meaningfully engaged with the autistic community.
There's a huge difference between them though, Daniel specifically went out of his way to write a good story that was analogous to the experience of ADHD and did a lot of research to do it well, subsequently realising he related to most of the stuff he was researching. Sia watched some 30 year old movies and included a vague recollection of a single autistic kid she met a couple times. The result was that EEAO is practically a diagnostic test for ADHD and *incredibly* relatable for ADHDers, and led *directly* to his realisation and seeking diagnosis, whereas even more recently Sia is almost using her diagnosis as a retrospective excuse for Music rather than describing the story of true self discovery progressing directly from her experience writing the movie (just to clarify because this is a bit judgier than I'm going for, I'm not here to doubt her diagnosis, just that I don't think it led on from her experience in writing Music, and the framing around how she's discussed it does come off as a bit of an excuse that ignores the fact that autistic people can still be ableist, in particular with the absence of much in the way of meaningful change beyond that).
@@bosstowndynamics5488 I think that's the point this commenter is making. That if she had done the work to make good representation and engaged with the autistic community, if she had tried to avoid outdated tropes, and instead make a meaningful and accurate representation of an autistic prison, she might have gotten diagnosed sooner. But that was a lot of work that Sia didn't seem even close to wanting to do.
That movie was toxic. They also used the Magical Black Person trope in that movie. It's a trope that Black people have special savior abilities that help the white protagonists and charecters survive and live.
@@GothymothmothIt does make sense that it was full of outdated and harmful tropes when her research was watching movies from 30-40 years ago and trying to remake those uncritically as musicals with a sprinkling of superficial awareness of one autistic person she met once
Isn't there a comedy tv series that is exactly that ? the stories of Magical Black People dedicated to facilitate the lives of white people. I hope it is as satyrical as I imagine it to be (haven't watched it yet)
@@Croutecelestei've heard mixed reviews from white people and mostly negative reviews from Black people. 😭 i'm Black and tired, so i won't be watching, but it may be good!
i hate how people doubt the validity of someone's diagnosis just because they don't like them. neurodivergent people can be ableist too; internalized ableism is a big issue in the community. i believe that she isn't lying about her diagnosis, but her being diagnosed doesn't excuse her past actions and ignorance.
She can be autistic and want to win an Oscar. That's what it was. She thought she would create an oscar winning musical equivalent to Rainman and it didn't work out. You have to remember when Sia was young there were a lot of movies being made about mentally disabled people. It was quite common back in the day.
I completely agree with this. I also don’t think she’s lying abt it. I can see how some ppl can see it as being strangely convenient. I can see how they think that she might be open abt the diagnosis as a way to excuse the bad portrayal. It gives more context to the person she is. It doesn’t excuse what she did and she still does need to take responsibility in a way that’s more than just being open abt her diagnosis
@@LiterallyInklingGirl Yes of course. High needs and low needs are such different types of autism where just bc someone is autistic that doesn’t mean they understand a very different person’s experience with their specific type of autism
The opening of the movie would have worked as a dream sequence where Music goes through this Disney perfect morning where everyone is loving and supportive, then it shows her waking up to a rainy day where she doesn't want to go outside because she hates water hitting her skin and rain gear makes her sweaty and sticky and the rest of the movie is just her trying to leave the house.
That would've been SO much more realistic and INTERESTING! And maybe in the end she leaves the house or maybe she doesn't and realizes she's just fine that way, and it's ok to be the way she is.
Lmao god that’s so real 😂 I have so many days where I just… spend the whole day trying to get comfortable enough to leave the house, and by the time I’ve convinced myself I’ll be okay, everything’s already closed up and it’s night 😢
@@holdensaia5962”90 minutes is a bit long to have to sit through that” imagine multiple days a week being unable to exit that in first person. What’s incomprehensible to you is cathartic representation to other people. You can chew on ur little 15 minutes of autism is all I can handle candy somewhere else.
Another idea could be showing her daily routine, and it going well, but the next time she tries to do it, it doesn't work. A different cashier who's rude or eyes her for stimming. The weather is different, then she has to struggle with other changes because the small community is changing, her care giver passes, and long time neighbors are moving away, or stores no longer sell things. Each change seems small, but it throws her routine into disarray
What???? When, can I please get any direction on a channel to watch where they talk about this? Or a title of a good video about it? I need to know more about this.@@FreddyKruegerTheDreamDemon
I don’t think Sia should be forgiven, at least not until she does some major self reflection and actually tries to be better. Being a person of color doesn’t give you an excuse to be racist. Being gay doesn’t give you an excuse to be homophobic. I don’t see how being autistic would give her an excuse to make that most horribly ableist and dangerous movie I think I’ve ever seen.
@@facthunt2facthunt245 People do forgive. It's just that, more often then not, people in the public eye only apologize to make themselves look better. They rarely do any sort of self reflection and just try to cover it up better next time.
@@anothermiddleschoolburnout8816So much this, people don't forgive often any more because so many of the public demands for forgiveness lack any kind of real remorse and are really more "I'm sorry that you don't like me any more, can you get over it already and give me some more money and airtime already?"
That's because she's 100% faking it to try and get back in our good graces. It cannot be a coincidence that she was diagnosed with ASD after the movie came out.
Doing a piece of media on autism is like adopting a homeless kitten. The crew behind Extraordinary Attorney Woo adopted this kitten because despite not quite being prepared they still believed it deserved a loving home that would care for it properly meanwhile Sia just wanted the kitten because she thought it'd make her look good on the internet and planned to abandon it in the ditch once it stopped generating positive attention for her.
I've herd that show also has some ableism in it, but interestingly it's not as bad as the good doctor, which is adapted from the kdrama of the same name that extraordinary attorney woo is a sequel series to. But I don't have any intention of watching because of the potential ableism that could be in it...
@@aussiefurbymogwaifan6621it does indeed, but you can still tell that the director and cast actually made an effort to understand, even though their depiction was far from perfect. That’s a hell of a lot more than you can say for Sia. This is why I used the kitten analogy; just because someone messes up their pet care due to lack of knowledge doesn’t necessarily mean they didn’t care about the cat. It just means they were ill-informed, not ill-intentioned. You also have to keep in mind that South Korea and Japan (South Korea being where those dramas were originally set and created) have an even worse discrimination problem than western countries, which is going to result in a few unavoidable imperfections via circumstances.
@@urioriari34The Good Doctor was an American adaptation of a Korean drama that aired in 2013 FYI. There’s also a Japanese, Turkish, and Chinese adaptation (the Chinese version airing in Hong Kong). Oddly enough the star of the Japanese adaptation also plays L in the Death Note live action series, Kento Yamazaki.
I couldn't help thinking, when she talked about all these alleged autistic actors who tried to work on the film and "couldn't handle it," about all of the incredibly talented and successful actors who are autistic. Not every autistic person will thrive on a movie set, but she seemed so convinced that not one could. And unwilling to be convinced otherwise.
@@peachpopsicle4090 There are plenty of great autistic actors who are successful. She seems like she was either... A) Unwilling to provide accommodations on set. Or B) Never intended to cast an autistic person and she was just trying to cover her own ass. Neither are good
I feel like what she meant could be one of two things - she’s lying, she never tried to get anyone else but the kid she’s grooming to play the role - the actors couldn’t handle her ableism and her creepy behavior.
Don't forget also UA-cam channels that show autistic children having meltdowns. The channel was never mentioned but people speculate that they watched Fathering Autism.
Don't forget that they also watched UA-cam channels that showed autistic children having meltdowns, they never specified a channel but think Fathering Autism and ones of that elk that don't accommodate sensory wise their child.
This movie is insulting. Stimming is not the same as having tics and convulsions, even though I have always sat in ”strange positions” and made ”strange movements”. And that man pressing Music down is horrible! I hate people touching me if I have meltdown. All wrong. And Sia is herself autistic, why did she make this mess?
At that time Sia didn't know she was autistic, she announced her diagnosis a couple of years after it was released and the movie was filmed 4 years before it was released.
Exactly, you are able to control your stims even if it feels unnatural and weird, tics are involuntary and associated with Tourette’s but stims are just behaviors that stimulate yourself, I am personally neurodivergent and my stims do vary but one thing about them is while they do just come about and are subconscious sometimes I am still very able to to control them.
A high masking, low support needs autistic person with very little awareness of autistic needs (particularly having not been diagnosed or even considering diagnosis at the time) is not going to be much better at doing autism rep than an allistic person. Particularly if that high masking autistic person happens to be selfishly motivated.
As a high-functioning individual on the Spectrum, if someone attempted to pin me to the ground during a meltdown, I'd consider that assault and try to defend myself. As we've said to each other; a diagnosis is not an excuse for poor behavior. Diagnosis or not, the film is still a problem.
No lie I would assume they were trying to grape me. I would bite and not necessarily just in warning. A stranger fully pinning me down with their body 1:1 over mine and refusing to let me up while I scream and try to escape is one of the scariest things I can imagine. It also reminds me of police brutality and homicide. That is not an act of care or respect for another person, it’s domination. I wouldn’t even know what to do besides fight back to prevent them from unaliving me.
i have actually punch kicked and hurt ppl trying to grab me in a meltdown i have cptsd and stranger scare me ten times more then just being left alone i normally just hysterically cry when i meltdown and if i am left alone i can eventually so too crying
@@hayuseen6683 But there are also laws about respecting the public space. A person who screams at the top of their lungs after the curfew near inhabited buildings can be legally forced to stop. Neurotypicals doesn't own us creating opportunities to disrupt public order whenever and wherever we want. I am also an high functional autistic person (also with ADHD) and I don't consider people who may have a temper tantrum wherever they go as high functional. Despite the fact I am not ashamed (like many people do) of having a laud arguments with someone in public or cry all the way home by bus, I never allowed myself to anything more. I had very serious meltdowns only at home. I found out about being autistic in my early 20s, so in my mind it just wouldn't be the option to act this way like in school. There are some huge adventages of being diagnosed as an adult, when you just need to learn a lot of unintuitive social skills by imitates others behaviours in concrete situations and correcting yourself every time when you find out for the thousandth time that you are unconciously not following the social norm. I'm glad that people hadn't treat me like a "special case" when I was growing up.
yeh something about the way she talked about Maddie made my hair stand on end. Sia is the same age as me and I would think i was creepy if I treated someone like that (how old was M when they shot this?) Very weird.
@@facthunt2facthunt245 no, a lot of people do this to autistic people when we have a meltdown because they think it helps and it will keep us and others safe. She didn't think they were a shoplifter
I think for me one of the worst aspects of this whole situation is that people who tried to say anything about how the movie would be received, were ‘fired for negativity’ - so if Sia was surrounded by people who agreed with her every decision, it’s because she engineered it to be that way.
Wow, Sia gets called out for making a shit movie infantilising autism, then uses her own diagnosis to infantilise HERSELF as an excuse. "I couldn't help doing a shit job, I'm autistic!" Well clearly film-making isn't her special interest.
@@liablau Same. I laughed so hard, because it's actually quite true. 😂 She could have done AN AMAZING movie and been diagnosed while researching it, if that was really a special interest of hers. Honestly, that's how I got all my self-diagnoses (later confirmed by medical specialists). I gradually got interested in researching all of them.
I say SIA is a liar and Music is all the proof we need. No autistic would film a movie jerky camera movements and using such horribly gaudy colors. I think she’s only saying this because now if anyone criticizes Music then they’ll look like a bully for attack an “autistic” person.
I've said this before, but it bears repeating: it's hugely important that we all understand that autistic people can be asshats too. Autism doesn't grant us any immunity to that, and asshattery (anecdotally) occurs in the autistic community in the same proportion as in the allistic population. It strikes me that understanding that single point is key to understanding Sia's response to people pushing back on...well, pretty much everything in the film. Her first instinct was to denigrate, belittle, fire and generally "other" the people who said "Actually, that's not really a good thing...".
@@amandamandamandsgreat point. I do think some people can be blindsided or too generous because other autistic people are the first community they've really resonated with. A reminder is due for some that, although many autistic people are cool, this is still a community made up of human beings. A fundamentally very flawed species.
Not in SIi's mind, though, as she said (and believes) that autistic people "are so pure", that absolves her from any previous (or future) wrong doings now, cause since she's autistic, too, all is forgiven. 🤦♀
Had Sia taken a few years of self-discovery, she could have written a more authentic story of a woman struggling with addiction while grappling with her recent diagnosis of autism well into her 40s. THAT could have really spoken to people
Maddy: "I'm afraid people will think I'm mocking them!" Sia: "Oh honey.... I won't let that happen!" Now here's the arrogance right here, THE BELIEF, THE ENTITLEMENT TO THINK THAT SHE SOMEHOW GETS TO CONTROL HOW THE PEOPLE SHE'S ALLEDGEDLY TRYING TO REPRESENT REACT TO HER MOVIE! That woman has a massive ego that she desperately need to get in check.
yea i hope people turn music into a shitposting meme, maybe then maddie will wake tf up and do her own shit instead of relying on shitty adults taking advantage of her.
I feel so bad for Maddie. Her entire career, including Dance Moms has been creepy adults either sexually exploiting her or using her as a prop. Sia should never be forgiven for all of the pain and suffering she put that poor child through.
If she's going to have a "redemption arc", that's better than not having one. The problem is the fact that the harm she's caused to the autistic community isn't just something that can be forgotten. Internalized ableism is no joke.
Honestly, if she went about it talking about what she did wrong and tried to make reparations for the damage she caused it would be totally different to me. But people usually just wanna be forgiven as soon as they say "I'm sorry".
@@facthunt2facthunt245 She likely won’t get all the nuances and reasoning for that person’s stims and meltdowns just from knowing him to an extent. We also don’t know if she was really close with him or not. Even if she was close to him she isn’t him and like I said won’t understand as well as she thinks she did. She could’ve seen the stims as just something he does constantly bc maybe she mostly saw him when he was stimming. Instead of realizing the certain thing that could cause the stimming. She might not have fully understood why he did meltdowns if she did end up seeing him having meltdowns. A lot of the time certain gestures and mannerisms only happen at certain times for both autistic ppl and neurotypical ppl. She might’ve seen it as autistic ppl stim just bc that’s something they do. In the portrayal of the Music it seems that she stims almost all the time when that’s not always the case
@@facthunt2facthunt245 She obviously didn't know him very well though. Sia's stories keep changing so it is hard to know what is accurate. She said that the boy was the child of the ASL interpreter at her AA meetings and that he was there too with his headphones etc. Taking this on face value (and the fact that she called them tics), Sia went by what she could visually see this boy do at the meetings and didn't actually spend any time with him. If she did it was at an extremely surface level seeing as at the time of making the movie (and it appears when it was released) she didn't know what a stim was, that they have a purpose etc. She was extremely proud of herself that she knew the word echolalia and what it was, it is something seeing as she also said special abilities and the way that she said it she was proud of saying it the 'correct' way.
Everything's Gonna Be Okay is a fantastic show centered around an autistic character played by an autistic actress and she has an autistic friend also played by an autistic actress
Life and Beth is a show on Hulu that is about a late diagnosed autistic man. It's very well done mostly because Amy Schumer who plays Beth in real life fell in love and married an autistic man.
I had an involuntary meltdown in Wal-Mart... People tried to grab me, my friend had to stop them. Edit: Sai's movie seems to have influenced this "grab" mentality, as people before the movie generally didn't try to grab me.
and the thing was she was effing told it was dangerous and that this could happen and result in more autistic deaths/injuries. Put the whole artist in the trash!
It’s so weird that ppl think they can “help” someone having a mental breakdown in this way without knowing the person. For example you likely wouldn’t grab a random toddler who is having a fit so why would you do that with someone who is older. It’s so weird that ppl think they are entitled to do what they think is correct just because someone is neurodivergent in some way or has some kind of mental condition
The ironic thing is if she had actually spoken to more autistic people and done more research when making the movie, she probably would've realized she was autistic herself much sooner AND avoided this whole fiasco in the first place.
The thing about Rain Man is that he wasn't "special" to his brother until the brother realized that his "useless" brother was actually a genius. Funny how this movie seems to follow that same trope. The autistic character isn't useful or loved until the caregiver finds their "special talent"
What if I told you all that the Five Nights At Freddy's movie portrayed Autism a thousand times better than Sia's movie did? Trust me, it was so much more heartwarming, didn't shove it in your face, treated it as a normal thing, and made the movie so much better than it had to be. When FNAF of all things portrays Autism better than a movie that was specifically meant to be about Autism but fails miserably, that is how you know how badly it messed up.
@@godzdeadAbbey is pretty much agreed to show autistic traits and is relatable to autistic people. Unlike Music where every movement is exaggerated and cartoonish, Abbey is more real and thus naturally less intrusive and attention grabbing. Only people who relate to Abbey's behaviour will be able to point it out as autistic coded quite easily, but for others who can't the clues will simply pass them right by.
Anne of Green Gables is honestly a far more accurate representation of an autistic woman! It definitely makes sense that Sia came out as autistic with how much internalized ableism was projected into the movie & her defensiveness online. So many of us have ableist, un/diagnosed neurodivergent parents who weaponized their internalized neurotypical expections against us, their children who VERY rarely make it to adulthood without cPTSD ourselves. There is significant generational ableist trauma in the neurodivergent community that isn't often spoken about.
I haven't read the original Anne of Green Gables books, but I've watched Anne with an E which is loosely based on the books. I deeply resonate with how they portrayed Anne in Anne with an E and see myself within her in so many aspects. Also, I agree that she serves as a great autistic representation for AFABs/ autistic women or just lower support needs autistic people in general. You're absolutely spot on with the internalized ableism late diagnosed autistics face. I often judge autistic traits sometimes because of how much I dislike those same traits in myself and was bullied for them. My dad who I suspect is autistic can do the same things as me and I can be really judgmental of them due to my internalized ableism (also my dad has given me trauma so that is another reason I can be mean to him). I'm in no way saying my internalized ableism and behavior with my dad is okay, i'm trying my best to work on that atm.
I wouldn't say Anne is autistic. She's just very imaginative in personality and a dreamer. While that could overlap with some people that have autism, non-autistic people like myself also embody traits that Anne has. I'd just say that she's such a well written character that people can relate to her no matter what group they fit into.
I think autism is often seen through the eyes of caretakers. That's why you get so many autism moms saying "you can't be autistic if you don't look like my kid". It doesn't matter if our internal experience is the same as her kid, she only cares about her experience as a caretaker.
I love how people call this highly offensive walking stereotype of a movie "Emotional, inspiring, astonishing". This is just inspiration porn, neither the people watching or the people making the movie care, they just want to PRETEND TO CARE so they can feel good about themselves, so they can feel virtuous. It's the peak definition of virtue signaling. And that's comming from a guy who thinks the term virtue signaling is grossly overused by people online.
As an autistic person, I absolutely loved Extraordinary Attorney Woo, Park Eun Bin did a lot of research and spoke with many autistic individuals and experts in order to create Woo Young Woo’s character. I really like that she chose to create a unique persona based on thorough research rather than imitating someone she knew.
She didn't actually speak with autistic individuals cause she didn't want Woo Young Woo to be a copy of someone else but she read books and looked at the characteristics of the ASD diagnosis criteria.
It’s my favorite kdrama and first I’ve ever watched! It was entertaining, kinda romantic, and very realistic with the autism spectrum. I only watched a few episodes. But so far they did a good job with not making it sound insulting❤️
Using someone else’s child who you have no familial connection to as your artistic “muse” is so _wildly_ inappropriate and unsettling. Just having someone else’s kid hang out with you at your house and around town with you, a middle aged adult and her employer…is utterly insane and alarming.
I was restricted and/or hit when i had meltdowns as a child. Never felt safe at home, got severe mental issues from that and still to this day i wonder why my parents did that..
I used to warn my parents before my meltdown too. I told them please stop screaming it is becomming to much to handle, I would tell them i couldnt take it anymore. So they raised their voices even more, until i started screaming and run away. They would chase me while continuing screaming at me, and when they caught up to me they would hold me down to the floor. There was nothing comforting with that If i started banging my head or something i was always screamed at.. “we gonna put you in a intuition, youre insane. Whats wrong with you are you mentally ill?!”
@@fiizkenfiizk7645 Right? this is not a "comforting way to handle an autistic person in a meltdown", it's a scene straight out of an horror movie! I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
I was abused by a former caregiver and she used my autism diagnosis as an excuse and justification for hitting me and controlling my entire life. One time she screamed at me how it was my fault she wasn’t happily married with kids to an ex and that was extremely emotionally devastating to me that I literally cried for hours because I felt guilty that she chose to take care of me. Her fiancé then confronted of her about these words and told her how extremely upset I had become and this woman gave me this fake apology and said that I “misunderstood” what she had said because I’m autistic and treated me like my diagnosis made me a complete idiot that couldn’t tell if someone was angry with me or not. I pretended to accept this “explanation” mostly to make her happy and prevent her from hitting me if I called her out for this. It felt so horrible hearing her basically say that she thought my autism made me stupid and it felt so condescending and patronizing.
The child mind institute’s 100% rating of this representation of autism is highly alarming! I hope they apologized, but I doubt it. The clips look absolutely ridiculous. It doesn’t even look like good acting. I bet my minimally speaking child with no acting experience could do a much better and realistic job! Her firing for “bad vibes” is extremely concerning, and clearly worked against creating an accurate and fair representation. A child was murdered at a local school in that prone restraint. It is disgusting to show the actor smiling while in this dangerous position. I can understand that she was ignorant as a newly diagnosed person. I remember I was. But don’t make a movie without thorough research and seek help from autistics.
Idk if she was newly diagnosed at that time. Based on what I heard is that she got the diagnosis after the movie but I could be wrong. She was ignorant to a lot of stuff surrounding autism. I can have some sympathy for that but she did need to think things through more. I can understand not wanting any negative ppl around during filming but u do wonder if some of the negativity might’ve actually been ppl trying to say that this isn’t good representation and she needs to do more research. It seems a bit more likely given how she reacted to what autistic ppl were saying abt this being bad representation. I don’t doubt that there might’ve been actually negativity for no reason but I do wonder is there was other stuff that she mixed in with that which didn’t need to be mixed in with negativity
@@maem7462 I don't know when she was diagnosed but she announced it more than a year after the movie came out and the movie was filmed 4 years before it was released.
After Sia saying that about the Child Mind Institute I looked them up and they are/were pro ABA etc so in that regard it is like Autism Speaks saying that it is good representation. Sia did reach out to other organisations and they told her it was extremely problematic and needed lots of changes, turns out that Sia couldn't handle hearing that and chose to ignore them.
It's not suggested in the movie. Those musical scenes are clearly just supposed to be art. We don't have to make up reasonings for despising the movie, it's already bad enough without misinterpreting it.
@@fartcannon-wg5ol Artistically representing the autistic experience with imagery that would overwhelm many autistics, especially those around Music's implied level of support needs, is still inaccurate to the point of being insensitive.
@@facthunt2facthunt245 It's not like she was given any choice, since she wasn't even close to being an adult at the time. It's this kind of BS that makes the rest of us look bad. I mean, the fact that Sia herself said that Maddie cried when she saw how badly the character was portrayed, then pressured her into doing it anyway, pretty much says it all. And the way that Maddie's mom talks in interviews shows that she'll go along with anything that keeps the money rolling in.
@@facthunt2facthunt245 Maddie was a child when they started filming. I wouldn't be surprised if she has seen barely any of the money, especially with the creepy parasitic parent relationship Sia has established.
OMG my house is a pirate ship and I’m the salty captain who’s just done. And yet people still be like, can I bring my kids over? Sure, if you want them to learn some colorful new vocabulary.
Last year, the People's History Museum in Manchester had a Disabled People's History exhibit, and there was a Blu-Ray copy of Sia's music on display (and an explanation of the impact it had on the disabled community). Something that amused me greatly was that it was still shrink wrapped.
Was it about the harmful impacts or were they glazing it? I feel like an explanation on people moviemakers attempting to capitalize on autism while damaging the community they claim to be representing would make it appropriate. If they were just meat riding Sia then that makes me so sad.
@@anothermiddleschoolburnout8816I really hope it was about the dmg because frankly…Idk why but Sia always brings back some faint trauma and a lot of uncontrolled rage anytime I see her doing anything after that movie.
You know, it's funny you mentioned the opening song of Beauty and the Beast because, in my humble opinion, that scene isn't supposed to be diegetic, right? To me, that scene is there to represent how Belle feels in her town. She feels excluded, ignored and lonely (which, to an undiagnosed autistic girl it was so cathartic 😂). She feels people on her town has expectations for her that do not match her interests, values nor her hyper fixations. You know why? Because Belle is a character with an inner world and the people who created her make sure to use the music as a way of communicating those aspects of herself. So, yeah, the movie with HIV, a drug dealer protagonist, alcoholism and child abuse is somewhat more childish and less psychologically complex than a Disney movie 😂
My sister is in a aba center (against my wishes) and they constantly say she’s having seizures and tics and it’s really just meltdowns. I don’t understand how people get the things confused 😕
I'm a neurologist, and a lot of people confuse panic attacks for minor seizures 💁 It's not always easy to distinct the two if you aren't experienced enough.
Why she's presenting firing people for bad vibes as something cool? One character just came out of jail and sells drugs, another one is autistic who lost her grandma and has meltdowns as a part of the story (from unbearable happiness, I guess?). The main actress is distressed about ethics of the project and rightly so. No reason for bad vibes, yeah.
Exactly. I found that far more offensive than the movie itself. Laughing about putting two people out of work is sick. She doesn't know or care if those individuals are going to have money problems. They might have really needed that job.
It is concerning that she doesn't understand that it is toxic to have a positivity only policy on set. Think that something is a safety issue, can't bring it up because you are being negative.
I used to have violent meltdowns as a kid. Restraining me wasn't the worst my caregivers did during them, but most of my violent behaviour is in response to attempts to restrain me. Most of the time when they realised I needed to be ushered away into a safe place, the violent behaviour diminished. The complete lack of regard for my autonomy and a lack of understanding after having verbally explained my needs triggers me to this day. Seeing that this was portrayed in the movie as acceptable and warranted was the thing the put me off the most. It continues the idea that Autism is a disease that turns Autistics into violent monsters, or we are infantile creatures needing to be locked away or coddled. It continues several misunderstandings about who we are as people and where the disabling aspects of autism begin.
That must hurt a lot. I was never restrained but I remember begging my mother to take me home from the shopping mall when I felt like the whole place was spinning and I was going to vomit. I was told that the toddlers that wouldn't cry after a day of "just shopping" and she was tired of me being "always like this". The meltdowns aren't the person, they're cries for help that need to be heard. An autistic person bashing their head on the wall all the time? That's not "just them", they're in severe distress that can't be solved by tackling them like it's a game of football.
I just feel terrible for Maddie. The away Sia obsesses over her makes me really uncomfortable, and she was just a 14 year old trying to do her best with what little resources she got in trying to play a character who has a disability she doesnt
you don't make an "old school" movie about a subject so few know about. you can't go old school on an idea that is new school to most people and has so much stigma still
Side note: I think a film about a 45 yr old woman who doesn’t realize she’s autistic making a haphazard film about a diagnosis over which she wrongfully feels superior WOULD be a very interesting film
@@Charuchii you might enjoy the film Welcome To Me, where a woman with BPD (often considered the result of undiagnosed autism in women) wining the lottery and then making a tv show about herself.
"Autistic episodes"... ah yes, every year of my life is a new season of autism for me. getting overwhelmed at a family event? oh, that's the double-feature holiday special!
@@anothermiddleschoolburnout8816except in Deadpool it's tongue in cheek sarcasm. Not some "deep understanding" of another person. It's saying "we work well together". Not some "I see you as a kindred soul"... which is REALLY creepy.
i was in a treatment center for autistic kids with depression/self harm issues for a year. one time, it was just me, one of the staff, and another girl (everyone else was out doing an activity.) We got to pick a movie for movie night and me and the other girl thought it would be fun to watch Music to make fun of it since we're both autistic. We thought it was terrible. During one of the first meltdown scenes it was so triggering for the other girl that we had to turn off the movie. i think that certainly says something...
This made me think of how the film Everything Everywhere All at Once was originally conceived as a film about a character with ADHD, but as a result of the research they did for it the writers decided to remove any explicit mention of it, plus one of them ended up getting diagnosed ADHD themselves. And they ended up creating a movie that I and other ADHDers massively relate to. I feel like if she'd actually researched autism properly and let that shape her movie she would have both created a very different film and maybe even started seeking out a diagnosis earlier - maybe she would have even ended up making the sort of film you were suggesting, and it would have become about the older sister coming to terms with being Autistic.
I don't mean to be rude or anything, I'm just curious as to why you leave multiple comments instead of just putting everything into one, especially since two of your comments say the same thing*? *the other two I've seen where you talk about your own awful experience which I'm sorry you went through that, that is truly awful.
@@LilyCat963 I said different things, not the same. I been lectured by people complaining about me leaving long posts too, so when I reach three lines on UA-cam, I try to end the comment there, and leave another comment if more thoughts come up, and in this case, more thoguhts did come up. I was also abused into speaking, I'm speech delayed, didnt speak until I was four years old. Nobody taught me how to type online until I was an adult (dial up was around when I graduated High School). This paragraph is relevant, affects how I communicate. I keep encountering people who have issues with how I communicate, the torment may never cease, so I find my own way, which likely will not be "standard" because I'm autistic too. Creative mind here, with a lot of stories stuffed into me from 47 years of experience, only 20 were spent being aware I was autistic, the other (earlier) were spent in emotional pain hating myself. I could write novels if I didnt force myself to hold back. I hope this trimmed down summary (little snippets of my mind) helps you understand why I left multiple different posts. I appreciate genuine honestly, to ask the difficult questions, I take no offense. I like to share my thoughts.
@@Green_Roc Thank you for the response! I appreciate the paragraph, honestly! I'm currently seeking an autism diagnosis myself. I may be low needs but I've struggled a lot myself, so I can only imagine how it was for you. Maybe it's because of autism that I genuinely appreciate longer comments (more information), I'm not sure. I'm also glad you took no offense! Honestly, the only reason I was able to ask is because I started taking medication for ADHD yesterday (at age 28, 14+ years after diagnosis)... who knew most of my social anxiety came from ADHD just causing me to overthink everything! Though, I did have to work a lot on myself before reaching this point. I'm glad to know a reason that people, like yourself, leave multiple comments. To be honest it always irritated me, but I know it's better to just try to understand since most people don't do things out of malice. So, your response really helped me! I hope things are and continue to get better for you as well!
@@LilyCat963 I do like long comments personally. Hopefully you get the answers to your questions about why life feels like we're playing a game on hard mode while everyone else seems to be having an easy time. I like to give everyone the benefit of my doubt, for I sure wish I was given more compassion too, instead of being misjudged a jerk by so many in my past. Good luck out there 👍
did any of ya'll catch that? around 18:30 Sia laughs over the fact she only had to fire 2 people from the movie. She admitted earlier that she fired both the autistic actors she tried to use. So in the movie about autism the only people fired were the autistic actors.
As an autistic person myself, my big thing with Sia and “Music,” was that around the same time, Gary Numan, who has been an autism self-advocate for years, released his autobiography and an album to go with it. The whole concept of the book and album is how he as an autistic man used music to connect with others. Rather than making a grand statement on autism, he speaks to his own personal experiences as an autistic person. Imagine what that could have looked like with Sia’s budget. Imagine what kind of movie Sia could have made if she looked more into autism and autistic community activism before writing the musical, realized she was autistic herself, and looked to elder musicians who are active in the autistic community like Numan and David Byrne as sources of inspiration. Before Sia’s diagnosis, I felt that Sia was talking over autistic voices like Numan’s. Now that I know she’s autistic herself, I feel like she could have looked to other autistic voices for inspiration but chose not to. Both are bad.
TW discussion of restraints and se*ual assault: I’m autistic and I also have seizures. I’ve been restrained during both seizures and meltdowns and they were both equally traumatizing. The way I felt in those moments was similar to how I felt when I was SA’d. I have no patience for movies like Music that- even in ignorance- depict such a harmful tactic.
She hasnt done enough to repair her relationship with the community especially since she’s kind of been signaling this whole time that she Would actually like to be the spokes person for the autistic community thankyouverymuch
dude do any of y’all know how it feels to have a hyperfixation on Hamilton and have one of the lead actors star in a movie that has a message that’s basically “OHHHHhhHhhHhh AUTISM IS sO pUrE and CUUUUuuuUUuUUTE UWU UWU UWU UWU 💙🧩💙🧩💙🧩💙🧩💙🧩💙🧩💙” im very disappointed in Leslie :(
My special interest is vampires and I also love the tv series Dexter and the character of Hannibal Lecter because I think they're cool sometimes. But pure doesn't necessarily means good, it can be pure evil LOL
Thank you for all of your wonderful content! I was diagnosed with autism and adhd in my late teens, but your voice in the community has been more relatable than anything else I have found so far
I look for (or aim for) three things in an apology: a sincere apology with acceptance of responsibility, an appropriate attempt to make things right or at least reduce future harm, and work done towards self-improvement. Has she done any of these?
im not offficially diagnosed yet but part of my journey so far has been purging myself of stereotypes, falsehoods, and misunderstandings about autism and adhd. learning what they actually are and especially learning from autistic and adhd youtubers has been the most beneficial. i can't imagine having to write or create a movie about autism before i knew all that i know now. i feel overwhelmed sometimes but mostly its been positive because knowing who you really are is much more valuable than bumbling through life thinking you are something you are not. also even though i've learned a lot in a short time, i still wouldn't be comfortable enough about making a movie about it lol 😋
erm hot take (that really should not be hot at all) autistic people can be ableist. like in general disabled ppl can be ableist, just like how gay people can be homophobic and trans people can be transphobic. i say that as somebody who is those things and used to be ableist, homophobic and transphobic it would take something really huge for me to forgive sia, maybe if she actually spends a good couple years actually helping autistic people, but so far that doesn't seem to have happened, she did a lot of damage to all of us with that movie and her diagnosis is the equivalent of destroying somebody's stuff and then looking at them with a blank face and saying "sorry 😐"
@masela01 Why are so many autistics trans? Are there any trans people without autism? It's beginning to look more like causation rather than correlation.
@@facthunt2facthunt245Yes there are. The most likely theory is that it’s not necessarily that autistic people are more likely to be trans but are more likely to be open about being trans.
Even though rainman might be harder to make today Dustin Hoffman actually spoke with families with members on the spectrum so his character can be less of characature. Sia clearly did way less work.
Even more than that, he spent a year with the man that the character was based on and he was invited to be on set any time that he wished. Same way that Dakota Fanning and the director of Please Stand By spent time with autistic teens before Dakota played Wendy.
Sia has a major saviour complex. Her obsession with "good vibes only" means she's unable to accept criticism or disagreement and her response to people's dislike of the movie proves that
12:10 speaking of chloe and sia, there’s a line in heartbreak high where in response to someone being ignorant about autism they said “okay Sia🙄” which is hilarious
She went from suggesting she was "on the spectrum" then it becomes no instead it was addiction and ADHD. She lied about things and I don't really trust anything she says.
From the wealthiest and most influential like Sia to the poorest and most obscure Europeans and people of the European colonial diaspora, how "whiteness" affects everyone with autism is a non-issue, or at best, a peripheral issue barely spoken of. I'm a 67 years old Black, Woman, and my parents were told I likely would have developmental impairments when I was born. Despite my mother's degree in child development, and my father, a surgeon, they rejected any information outside the worst of cultural pan-stereotypes. My father, for exampled, couldn't intuitively understand why as a child, I could understand and use a telescope, but get confused tying my shoes, so his diagnosis was it was intentional behavior, and his solution, was threatening to beat me within an inch of my life if I didn't start tying my shoes. I was formally diagnosed on the autistic spectrum while participating in a research program at the University of Cincinnati in my late teens, but to this day, race so profoundly distorts the cultural perception of autism, that I and many like me cannot access healthcare or the many predominately white support organizations without facing varied forms of abuse, and if like me, one is also LGBTQ+, it is common to only be tolerated within the small number of BIPOC autism support groups.
These are the stories of autistic people we need. One of my favorite things about being autistic is how it makes me curious about other people in a really genuine way. The role whiteness plays in ableism absolutely needs to be taken seriously in these conversations. Thank you for sharing your experiences. While our experiences are very different, if it is alright to say, your age makes me very hopeful because I am not used to hearing about older autistic people at all, or older LGBTQ+ people tbh. I hope you have found a community that truly values and respects you as you are.
Thank you for commenting this. I'm a recently diagnosed autistic black woman and I was actually evaluated as a child but my autism was missed because of the racial and gender bias of the doctors that evaluated me.
I’d be interested to know what kind of abuse goes on in those organizations. That‘s difficult for me to wrap my head around. Though as a white/jewish person the way I was treated at home was not that different from your experience. My dad cares about me but he‘s too stubborn to understand me, and it led to years of abuse. I can defintely see that white doctors would fail at diagnosing autism if they’re expecting Shaun Murphy from „The Good Doctor“ and are instead confronted with, for instance black autistic people speaking AAVE or Hispanics speaking chicano English. It‘s just not going to line up with their idea of what autism looks like.
Music was not about Music, it was about her sister. The autistic girl was just a marketing stunt and a plot device to make the real main character get her happy ending. As a lower needs autistic that highly depends on his caregiver and outside help, I did not relate one bit to this movie, and the opening caused me eye strain, I'm visually hypersensitive. So not only it made me feel humiliated and hopeless for a future where people actually understand us, or at least try, it also brought me physical pain. Music is a horrible movie.
The holding someone down in meltdown thing is such a hugely problematic piece of information. My mom tried to do that to me while I was in meltdown one time and I accidentally kicked her and it just cause so much more harm than good. It reminds me of back in the day I always heard “if you see someone in public having a seizure grab their tongue so they don’t swallow it” even though swallowing your own tongue isn’t physically possible and shoving your fingers in a seizing persons mouth is way more likely to make them choke than their own tongue
In vaguely remember the actress that she chose to play Music originally says that the accomodations she asked for were rejected and then Sia went with Maddie.
Before even watching the video, agree 110%. The fact that people INSTANTLY forgot what she did is insane to me. I used to be such a big fan of her and her trio, especially since she's Australian like I am, she was a big inspiration of mine. I was devastated when I saw what she did and how she handled it. Since then I haven't been able to listen to her music at all
As a general rule: if you're going to create or say anything that is meant to represent any group or person, maybe do a bit of research on it first, or be willing to face the consequences... she kinda picked the wrong ants' nest to step on here as our community can tend to be a wee bit forthright when it comes to these important matters :Þ
15:05 As an autistic epileptic, there's a huge difference between a seizure and a meltdown! There's even multiple types of seizures. I hate being restrained during a meltdown! Very harmful stereotype.
I have unfortunately just watched the film on Amazon and the “Content advisory” are for “violence, substance use, alcohol use, foul language”. The restraint scenes are still there.
We live in a small city, my son gets to be exactly who he is and everyone in our little corner of the city let him be... I'm so grateful he's had this experience! I know it's not realistic in many parts of the world, but right here in a tiny corner of Ireland, an autistic teenager gets to be himself without hassle. ❤❤❤
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Gotta love how even when the movie is named after the autistic character, they don't get to actually be the protagonist, or even much of a real character compared to the people around them.
I think that says a lot bout how sia sees autistic people with high support needs.
True, even when the name of the movie is the name of the autistic character, it's never about the autistic character, it's always about the caretakers and how "haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaard" their life is.
@@mayonnaiseonanescalator7237 Not just sia, but entertainment industry as a whole.
@@costelinha1867 yeah, that too.
She even said in her interview first and foremost that she made it "for the caregivers." Autistic ppl weren't on the forefront of her mind...
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I hate how accurate that is
Like she said, this movie was for the care givers. Oh, yeah, and there are some spectrum things it’s for, too.
She did actually make the movie with input and support from Autism Speaks. Autistic people warned her against them on Twitter and she responded with "surprise" and "horror", but in the end her actions showed the worthlessness of her words because she kept working with them anyway and told the autistic people that they were wrong to call her out on working with a hate group in disguise.
"Were trying to show love to all of the caregivers and all of the people on the autism spectrum-"
It's so telling that Sia mentions caregivers first and the actual autistic people second.
Exactly what I was thinking. It’s an interesting choice of word orders
What's wrong with acknowledging the struggles of caregivers? They deserve recognition, too.
@@MsBrendalina It's because it's supposed to be a movie about autism and they gave their titular autistic character no agency. She's treated like a prop for the plot to use. Sia literally compares Music to an inanimate object in interviews.
@@MsBrendalina It’s not her acknowledging the caregivers that’s the problem. It’s that she instinctively mentioned them first. For me personally it tells me that she values pleasing the caregivers more than…you know….the people the movie was supposed to be about?
I would expect it's because Sia has a friend who is a caregiver and is probably a lot more intune with caregivers, than she is with anyone with autism (obviously she doesn't know/have a relationship with many people with autism otherwise the movie would be very different).
I feel bad for Maddy. She seems really sweet and she knew better and was concerned about the portrayal, and was a child but she has literally been groomed most of her life to go along with what the successful adults are telling her to do and Sia took advantage of that.
It certainly is a concerning power dynamic!
She truly does seem like such a sweet person. I do feel bad for her that felt like she had to do this role even though she didn’t want to. I’ve heard a theory that Sia actually just wanted Maddy to be the main character and would’ve fired whoever they originally cast bc she had it in her mind that Maddy would play that role. Idk for sure if that’s true. It is strange that when the autistic person that they said they originally worked with wasn’t a good fit since they couldn’t provide a good environment (which I can get to some extent bc there are some things with the film industry that will have to be there). It seems there wasn’t much of an attempt. It also doesn’t seem like she reached out to Anton else who might’ve auditioned and also been autistic. I get that it’s possible to just not get any autistic ppl to audition but if that’s the case do so much research. The best research is one where you look into what autistic ppl say about what it’s like being autistic. If they have a video or post about good and bad autism representation then watch that to get some dos and don’ts
She could have said no if she wanted to. She was promoting the film on her Twitter account when it was released so I don't think she regretted it.
@@facthunt2facthunt245she was probably pressured by Sia
@@facthunt2facthunt245 when you're in a situation like that with an imbalanced power dynamic, there's a lot of manipulation, and she'd likely have been pressured and made to feel that she wasn't able to say no
personally (as an autistic person), i refuse to forgive sia/her movie for actively glorifying a restraint method *that has killed people*, and then lied about promising to cut it from the movie when she got called out for it. that’s such an unimaginably dangerous thing to portray uncritically, and it’s shown as (narratively) the key for zu to start understanding and bonding with music more closely.
i am genuinely horrified to think that there may have been a person who watched this film with an autistic person in their life and decided to try that restraint method because it worked for music.
I had a meltdown at wal mart and several strangers tried to "grab" me. I had a friend with me, had to get in their way to stop them from touching me. The Wal Mart Cashier demanded "grab her" to my friend. "Grab" me?! I wonder where they learned that wrong reaction, probably that Sai movie.
@@Green_Rocdid they think you were going to start speaking Latin backwards and levitating or something????
@@theveganduolingobird7349 I wish I knew what they were thinking [shrug]
Crushing someone, especially to calm them down, is just a terrible and dangerous idea. I'm glad it never happened to me. That would have been traumatic, if not injurous. I was digging my nails into my palms as I saw the images. "Crushing with love" is just plain wrong.
@@theveganduolingobird7349 like this?
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yea nah when she said “autistic people are all so pure 😊” like it jst feels so weird.
Exactly. Adam Lanza and Elliot Roger were anything but pure.
I suspect she unintentionally let her groomer mask slip there...
@@ErebosGRno for real because her relationship with Maddie is very strange
As an autistic person, I'm not "pure." I'm pretty fucked up.
tbh it makes the sponsorship by an adult toy company for this one even better.
And the fact that Maddie cried because she didn't want to do the movie..
yeah I feel bad for her, people have done deep dives into her and SIa's 'thing' it's gross poor girl was trained as Sia's little pet
@@Gothymothmoth I remember being disgusted when I read an interview where Sia was talking about how toxic fame was and how much it had harmed her, whilst simultaneously pushing tween Maddie as "the face" of her music. How can a grown woman recognise that fame is so difficult to cope with and put that burden onto a child she claims to care about?
Sia’s treatment of Maddie is incredibly fucking creepy and I hope Maddie is able to get away and reflect. She doesn’t have to talk about that part of her life and we’re ofc not entitled to hearing it- I just want peace for Maddie and other afab victims of afab abusers, who’re really rarely taken seriously or allowed to set boundaries and cut off their abusers.
Like that shoud have been Sia's hint that something is wrong, if a 13 year old knows it's bad you have to change it.
@@Lucifersfursona yeah, it's super gross and i hate how hardly anyone ever talked about it being so. it's literally grooming but no one seems to acknowledge that it is.
This is reminding me of how Daniel Kwan, co-director of Everything Everywhere All At Once, ended up being diagnosed with ADHD as a result of the movie. Basically, during the writing of the movie, they realised that the emerging main character was seeming pretty ADHD coded, and they felt this would be a cool angle to lean into, but that they needed to go learn about ADHD to ensure they weren't just making a tropey, insensitive character. It was because of this research that Daniel Kwan came to realise that he had ADHD.
I wonder if Sia might have gotten a diagnosis sooner if she had meaningfully engaged with the autistic community.
There's a huge difference between them though, Daniel specifically went out of his way to write a good story that was analogous to the experience of ADHD and did a lot of research to do it well, subsequently realising he related to most of the stuff he was researching. Sia watched some 30 year old movies and included a vague recollection of a single autistic kid she met a couple times. The result was that EEAO is practically a diagnostic test for ADHD and *incredibly* relatable for ADHDers, and led *directly* to his realisation and seeking diagnosis, whereas even more recently Sia is almost using her diagnosis as a retrospective excuse for Music rather than describing the story of true self discovery progressing directly from her experience writing the movie (just to clarify because this is a bit judgier than I'm going for, I'm not here to doubt her diagnosis, just that I don't think it led on from her experience in writing Music, and the framing around how she's discussed it does come off as a bit of an excuse that ignores the fact that autistic people can still be ableist, in particular with the absence of much in the way of meaningful change beyond that).
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I think that's the point this commenter is making. That if she had done the work to make good representation and engaged with the autistic community, if she had tried to avoid outdated tropes, and instead make a meaningful and accurate representation of an autistic prison, she might have gotten diagnosed sooner.
But that was a lot of work that Sia didn't seem even close to wanting to do.
This comment thread just made me love Everything, Everywhere, All At Once even MORE now!
Same thing happened with Dan Harmon and the character of Abed in Community.
I didn't know that about Daniel, that's hilarious. Iirc dana terrace, the creator of the cartoon *the owl house* had a simliar experince.
That movie was toxic. They also used the Magical Black Person trope in that movie. It's a trope that Black people have special savior abilities that help the white protagonists and charecters survive and live.
THIS!! the 'voodoo/black magic man" is as dated as the other things she was 'inspired by'
@@GothymothmothIt does make sense that it was full of outdated and harmful tropes when her research was watching movies from 30-40 years ago and trying to remake those uncritically as musicals with a sprinkling of superficial awareness of one autistic person she met once
Isn't there a comedy tv series that is exactly that ? the stories of Magical Black People dedicated to facilitate the lives of white people. I hope it is as satyrical as I imagine it to be (haven't watched it yet)
@@Croutecelestei've heard mixed reviews from white people and mostly negative reviews from Black people. 😭 i'm Black and tired, so i won't be watching, but it may be good!
Let's also not forget that the girl who played Music had her skin intentionally darkened for this role
i hate how people doubt the validity of someone's diagnosis just because they don't like them. neurodivergent people can be ableist too; internalized ableism is a big issue in the community. i believe that she isn't lying about her diagnosis, but her being diagnosed doesn't excuse her past actions and ignorance.
Exactly. Also low needs can be ableist to high needs
She can be autistic and want to win an Oscar. That's what it was. She thought she would create an oscar winning musical equivalent to Rainman and it didn't work out. You have to remember when Sia was young there were a lot of movies being made about mentally disabled people. It was quite common back in the day.
I completely agree with this. I also don’t think she’s lying abt it. I can see how some ppl can see it as being strangely convenient. I can see how they think that she might be open abt the diagnosis as a way to excuse the bad portrayal. It gives more context to the person she is. It doesn’t excuse what she did and she still does need to take responsibility in a way that’s more than just being open abt her diagnosis
@@LiterallyInklingGirl Yes of course. High needs and low needs are such different types of autism where just bc someone is autistic that doesn’t mean they understand a very different person’s experience with their specific type of autism
I don't doubt her diagnosis but simply "not liking them" is some extreme downplaying on why those people discredit her.
The opening of the movie would have worked as a dream sequence where Music goes through this Disney perfect morning where everyone is loving and supportive, then it shows her waking up to a rainy day where she doesn't want to go outside because she hates water hitting her skin and rain gear makes her sweaty and sticky and the rest of the movie is just her trying to leave the house.
That would've been SO much more realistic and INTERESTING! And maybe in the end she leaves the house or maybe she doesn't and realizes she's just fine that way, and it's ok to be the way she is.
Maybe a 90 minute movie is a bit long for something like that but like a 15 minute short film could totally be great for that concept.
Lmao god that’s so real 😂 I have so many days where I just… spend the whole day trying to get comfortable enough to leave the house, and by the time I’ve convinced myself I’ll be okay, everything’s already closed up and it’s night 😢
@@holdensaia5962”90 minutes is a bit long to have to sit through that” imagine multiple days a week being unable to exit that in first person. What’s incomprehensible to you is cathartic representation to other people.
You can chew on ur little 15 minutes of autism is all I can handle candy somewhere else.
Another idea could be showing her daily routine, and it going well, but the next time she tries to do it, it doesn't work. A different cashier who's rude or eyes her for stimming. The weather is different, then she has to struggle with other changes because the small community is changing, her care giver passes, and long time neighbors are moving away, or stores no longer sell things. Each change seems small, but it throws her routine into disarray
duh, ofc she doesn't, she should have stuck to singing instead of making a horrible movie about autism which tanked her reputation
And telling autistic people to f off on twitter when they called her out on how the movie was offensive
You don’t have to put (me the second I read the title)
She also did blackface before this happened so her reputation was already tanked
@@FreddyKruegerTheDreamDemon gross, wth
What???? When, can I please get any direction on a channel to watch where they talk about this? Or a title of a good video about it? I need to know more about this.@@FreddyKruegerTheDreamDemon
I don’t think Sia should be forgiven, at least not until she does some major self reflection and actually tries to be better. Being a person of color doesn’t give you an excuse to be racist. Being gay doesn’t give you an excuse to be homophobic. I don’t see how being autistic would give her an excuse to make that most horribly ableist and dangerous movie I think I’ve ever seen.
To be fair, there was no point apologising. People don't forgive anymore so she was better off being unrepentant.
@@facthunt2facthunt245 People do forgive. It's just that, more often then not, people in the public eye only apologize to make themselves look better. They rarely do any sort of self reflection and just try to cover it up better next time.
@@anothermiddleschoolburnout8816So much this, people don't forgive often any more because so many of the public demands for forgiveness lack any kind of real remorse and are really more "I'm sorry that you don't like me any more, can you get over it already and give me some more money and airtime already?"
That's because she's 100% faking it to try and get back in our good graces. It cannot be a coincidence that she was diagnosed with ASD after the movie came out.
@@anothermiddleschoolburnout8816 just because people _do_ forgive, that doesn't mean they _should._
Doing a piece of media on autism is like adopting a homeless kitten.
The crew behind Extraordinary Attorney Woo adopted this kitten because despite not quite being prepared they still believed it deserved a loving home that would care for it properly
meanwhile Sia just wanted the kitten because she thought it'd make her look good on the internet and planned to abandon it in the ditch once it stopped generating positive attention for her.
I love your analogy
I've herd that show also has some ableism in it, but interestingly it's not as bad as the good doctor, which is adapted from the kdrama of the same name that extraordinary attorney woo is a sequel series to. But I don't have any intention of watching because of the potential ableism that could be in it...
@@aussiefurbymogwaifan6621it does indeed, but you can still tell that the director and cast actually made an effort to understand, even though their depiction was far from perfect. That’s a hell of a lot more than you can say for Sia.
This is why I used the kitten analogy; just because someone messes up their pet care due to lack of knowledge doesn’t necessarily mean they didn’t care about the cat. It just means they were ill-informed, not ill-intentioned.
You also have to keep in mind that South Korea and Japan (South Korea being where those dramas were originally set and created) have an even worse discrimination problem than western countries, which is going to result in a few unavoidable imperfections via circumstances.
@@aussiefurbymogwaifan6621Kdramas exist in a whole other cultural context so I wouldn't say those two shows are very comparable
@@urioriari34The Good Doctor was an American adaptation of a Korean drama that aired in 2013 FYI.
There’s also a Japanese, Turkish, and Chinese adaptation (the Chinese version airing in Hong Kong).
Oddly enough the star of the Japanese adaptation also plays L in the Death Note live action series, Kento Yamazaki.
I couldn't help thinking, when she talked about all these alleged autistic actors who tried to work on the film and "couldn't handle it," about all of the incredibly talented and successful actors who are autistic. Not every autistic person will thrive on a movie set, but she seemed so convinced that not one could. And unwilling to be convinced otherwise.
This. You "couldn't provide the right environment"? Then you shouldn't be the one making the movie
Which is weird, because I'm pretty sure there are plenty of great autistic actors.
@@peachpopsicle4090 There are plenty of great autistic actors who are successful. She seems like she was either...
A) Unwilling to provide accommodations on set.
Or
B) Never intended to cast an autistic person and she was just trying to cover her own ass.
Neither are good
Maybe the set and production was offensive (or the directing?) enough people said f this.
I feel like what she meant could be one of two things
- she’s lying, she never tried to get anyone else but the kid she’s grooming to play the role
- the actors couldn’t handle her ableism and her creepy behavior.
"We did research, we watched outdated movies" alright. No more info needed 😐😅
Don't forget also UA-cam channels that show autistic children having meltdowns. The channel was never mentioned but people speculate that they watched Fathering Autism.
Just nada! just facepalms.
Don't forget that they also watched UA-cam channels that showed autistic children having meltdowns, they never specified a channel but think Fathering Autism and ones of that elk that don't accommodate sensory wise their child.
@amandamandamands gah. I seriously HATE people watching or even uploading that.. exploiting the damn kid + it's just messed up all around.
Here's my movie about Japan, I watched the 80s movie Shogun as research
This movie is insulting. Stimming is not the same as having tics and convulsions, even though I have always sat in ”strange positions” and made ”strange movements”. And that man pressing Music down is horrible! I hate people touching me if I have meltdown. All wrong. And Sia is herself autistic, why did she make this mess?
At that time Sia didn't know she was autistic, she announced her diagnosis a couple of years after it was released and the movie was filmed 4 years before it was released.
Exactly, you are able to control your stims even if it feels unnatural and weird, tics are involuntary and associated with Tourette’s but stims are just behaviors that stimulate yourself, I am personally neurodivergent and my stims do vary but one thing about them is while they do just come about and are subconscious sometimes I am still very able to to control them.
Sia being diagnosed later in her life doesn’t forgive her ableism and she isn’t allowed to try that
A high masking, low support needs autistic person with very little awareness of autistic needs (particularly having not been diagnosed or even considering diagnosis at the time) is not going to be much better at doing autism rep than an allistic person. Particularly if that high masking autistic person happens to be selfishly motivated.
Yes they should've differentiated that it was tics or anxiety tics or something. I had ttd and I only have stimming now. They aren't the same
As a high-functioning individual on the Spectrum, if someone attempted to pin me to the ground during a meltdown, I'd consider that assault and try to defend myself.
As we've said to each other; a diagnosis is not an excuse for poor behavior. Diagnosis or not, the film is still a problem.
It's literally legally assault and you have every right to defend yourself
No lie I would assume they were trying to grape me. I would bite and not necessarily just in warning. A stranger fully pinning me down with their body 1:1 over mine and refusing to let me up while I scream and try to escape is one of the scariest things I can imagine. It also reminds me of police brutality and homicide. That is not an act of care or respect for another person, it’s domination. I wouldn’t even know what to do besides fight back to prevent them from unaliving me.
It reminds me of a deaf man who got assaulted because he kept signing and trying to talk when cops approached him.
i have actually punch kicked and hurt ppl trying to grab me in a meltdown i have cptsd and stranger scare me ten times more then just being left alone i normally just hysterically cry when i meltdown and if i am left alone i can eventually so
too crying
@@hayuseen6683 But there are also laws about respecting the public space. A person who screams at the top of their lungs after the curfew near inhabited buildings can be legally forced to stop. Neurotypicals doesn't own us creating opportunities to disrupt public order whenever and wherever we want. I am also an high functional autistic person (also with ADHD) and I don't consider people who may have a temper tantrum wherever they go as high functional. Despite the fact I am not ashamed (like many people do) of having a laud arguments with someone in public or cry all the way home by bus, I never allowed myself to anything more. I had very serious meltdowns only at home. I found out about being autistic in my early 20s, so in my mind it just wouldn't be the option to act this way like in school. There are some huge adventages of being diagnosed as an adult, when you just need to learn a lot of unintuitive social skills by imitates others behaviours in concrete situations and correcting yourself every time when you find out for the thousandth time that you are unconciously not following the social norm. I'm glad that people hadn't treat me like a "special case" when I was growing up.
Representation =/= Putting people on display like exhibits
Exactly this.
That seems to be Sia's specialty. Lest we forget the time she made Maddie dance in a birdcage with an adult man while wearing a nude bodysuit.
can people PLEASE talk about how weirdly posessive she is of maddie?? i think it is creepy and i'm sad it isn't talked about enough
like yeah not only did she make an insulting movie about autism she is a creep
This needs to be talked about more. She did what Michael Jackson supposedly did and yet got no/almost no flack for it at all.
yeh something about the way she talked about Maddie made my hair stand on end. Sia is the same age as me and I would think i was creepy if I treated someone like that (how old was M when they shot this?) Very weird.
@@FenstarDeLuxe 14 when the movie came out
She’s grooming her and she’s likely sexually abusing her in my opinion.
Scary... Strangers have recently tried to "grab" me when I had a meltdown.
WRONG reaction. "Grab her" a cashier demanded.
NO! DONT TOUCH!
Who just grabs a random stranger? Like, that's just strange. Maybe if someone's about to fall, but like, who just tries to grab someone?
@@facthunt2facthunt245 no, a lot of people do this to autistic people when we have a meltdown because they think it helps and it will keep us and others safe. She didn't think they were a shoplifter
Don't be willfully ignorant. @@facthunt2facthunt245
@@facthunt2facthunt245most cashiers aren’t paid enough to care about shoplifting
I think for me one of the worst aspects of this whole situation is that people who tried to say anything about how the movie would be received, were ‘fired for negativity’ - so if Sia was surrounded by people who agreed with her every decision, it’s because she engineered it to be that way.
Wow, Sia gets called out for making a shit movie infantilising autism, then uses her own diagnosis to infantilise HERSELF as an excuse. "I couldn't help doing a shit job, I'm autistic!" Well clearly film-making isn't her special interest.
Lmao that last sentence took me OUT 😂
@@liablau Same. I laughed so hard, because it's actually quite true. 😂 She could have done AN AMAZING movie and been diagnosed while researching it, if that was really a special interest of hers.
Honestly, that's how I got all my self-diagnoses (later confirmed by medical specialists). I gradually got interested in researching all of them.
I say SIA is a liar and Music is all the proof we need. No autistic would film a movie jerky camera movements and using such horribly gaudy colors. I think she’s only saying this because now if anyone criticizes Music then they’ll look like a bully for attack an “autistic” person.
a burn that made my day fr xD @@liablau
I've said this before, but it bears repeating: it's hugely important that we all understand that autistic people can be asshats too. Autism doesn't grant us any immunity to that, and asshattery (anecdotally) occurs in the autistic community in the same proportion as in the allistic population.
It strikes me that understanding that single point is key to understanding Sia's response to people pushing back on...well, pretty much everything in the film. Her first instinct was to denigrate, belittle, fire and generally "other" the people who said "Actually, that's not really a good thing...".
Well Elon Musk personifies that for us if anyone wants to question it.
This
@@amandamandamandsgreat point. I do think some people can be blindsided or too generous because other autistic people are the first community they've really resonated with. A reminder is due for some that, although many autistic people are cool, this is still a community made up of human beings. A fundamentally very flawed species.
Not in SIi's mind, though, as she said (and believes) that autistic people "are so pure", that absolves her from any previous (or future) wrong doings now, cause since she's autistic, too, all is forgiven. 🤦♀
Had Sia taken a few years of self-discovery, she could have written a more authentic story of a woman struggling with addiction while grappling with her recent diagnosis of autism well into her 40s. THAT could have really spoken to people
I would have really loved this, honestly. I think Sia's music always spoke to me and I would have resonated strongly with an authentic story.
Maddy: "I'm afraid people will think I'm mocking them!"
Sia: "Oh honey.... I won't let that happen!"
Now here's the arrogance right here, THE BELIEF, THE ENTITLEMENT TO THINK THAT SHE SOMEHOW GETS TO CONTROL HOW THE PEOPLE SHE'S ALLEDGEDLY TRYING TO REPRESENT REACT TO HER MOVIE! That woman has a massive ego that she desperately need to get in check.
Plus in the interview, she laughed about firing two people like it was no big deal.
I feel so bad for Maddie. She's been goomed by Sia for years and felt like she couldn't turn down the role.
this, Sia compared us to props she gave life to, she's nasty vile filled with ego
yea i hope people turn music into a shitposting meme, maybe then maddie will wake tf up and do her own shit instead of relying on shitty adults taking advantage of her.
@@wildgr33nThat's not really how it works. People need support to get out of abusive environments, not more abuse.
I feel so bad for Maddie. Her entire career, including Dance Moms has been creepy adults either sexually exploiting her or using her as a prop. Sia should never be forgiven for all of the pain and suffering she put that poor child through.
Sexually exploting her?
Autistic or not, Sia deserves the backlash. She caused a lot of harm for autistic people that simply cannot be excused.
If she's going to have a "redemption arc", that's better than not having one. The problem is the fact that the harm she's caused to the autistic community isn't just something that can be forgotten. Internalized ableism is no joke.
Honestly, if she went about it talking about what she did wrong and tried to make reparations for the damage she caused it would be totally different to me. But people usually just wanna be forgiven as soon as they say "I'm sorry".
@@noctap0d Exactly fully agree. She has to show that she truly has learned from her mistakes
But it was based on a person she knew.
@@facthunt2facthunt245 She likely won’t get all the nuances and reasoning for that person’s stims and meltdowns just from knowing him to an extent. We also don’t know if she was really close with him or not. Even if she was close to him she isn’t him and like I said won’t understand as well as she thinks she did. She could’ve seen the stims as just something he does constantly bc maybe she mostly saw him when he was stimming. Instead of realizing the certain thing that could cause the stimming. She might not have fully understood why he did meltdowns if she did end up seeing him having meltdowns. A lot of the time certain gestures and mannerisms only happen at certain times for both autistic ppl and neurotypical ppl. She might’ve seen it as autistic ppl stim just bc that’s something they do. In the portrayal of the Music it seems that she stims almost all the time when that’s not always the case
@@facthunt2facthunt245 She obviously didn't know him very well though. Sia's stories keep changing so it is hard to know what is accurate. She said that the boy was the child of the ASL interpreter at her AA meetings and that he was there too with his headphones etc. Taking this on face value (and the fact that she called them tics), Sia went by what she could visually see this boy do at the meetings and didn't actually spend any time with him. If she did it was at an extremely surface level seeing as at the time of making the movie (and it appears when it was released) she didn't know what a stim was, that they have a purpose etc. She was extremely proud of herself that she knew the word echolalia and what it was, it is something seeing as she also said special abilities and the way that she said it she was proud of saying it the 'correct' way.
that movie felt more insulting than dumb and dumber
What of I am sam or forest gump?
Were they supposed to be intellectually disabled? It's been about 30 years since I've seen it.
@@skootergirl22 I Am Sam actually does have disabled actors in it.
At least the first Dumb and Dumber movie was funny.
Everything's Gonna Be Okay is a fantastic show centered around an autistic character played by an autistic actress and she has an autistic friend also played by an autistic actress
thanks for the recommendation :)
Josh Thomas (the creator who also plays Nicholas) is autistic also.
Life and Beth is a show on Hulu that is about a late diagnosed autistic man. It's very well done mostly because Amy Schumer who plays Beth in real life fell in love and married an autistic man.
this show destroyed me
@@Sarah-with-an-Hnah, i’d rather not support anything with amy the ray sist in it.
I had an involuntary meltdown in Wal-Mart...
People tried to grab me, my friend had to stop them.
Edit: Sai's movie seems to have influenced this "grab" mentality, as people before the movie generally didn't try to grab me.
I'm really sorry that happened to you.
That sucks, I hope that you have enough support to help you deal with this.
and the thing was she was effing told it was dangerous and that this could happen and result in more autistic deaths/injuries. Put the whole artist in the trash!
It’s so weird that ppl think they can “help” someone having a mental breakdown in this way without knowing the person. For example you likely wouldn’t grab a random toddler who is having a fit so why would you do that with someone who is older. It’s so weird that ppl think they are entitled to do what they think is correct just because someone is neurodivergent in some way or has some kind of mental condition
@@ixagonczi Thank you. I had a friend with me, she helped stop the strangers from touching me.
The ironic thing is if she had actually spoken to more autistic people and done more research when making the movie, she probably would've realized she was autistic herself much sooner AND avoided this whole fiasco in the first place.
Omg true?! She really messed up
true 😭
"Sia wanted to make 'Rain Man: the Musical."
Haha, that's a good burn.
"I wanted to make 'Rain Main: the Musical."
....
To its credit, Rain Man isn't the most blatantly hostile thing when it comes to autism representation, but it is a product of its time.
@@madfinnishgamer38Agree. At least Dustin Hoffman actually interacted with autistic children.
The thing about Rain Man is that he wasn't "special" to his brother until the brother realized that his "useless" brother was actually a genius. Funny how this movie seems to follow that same trope. The autistic character isn't useful or loved until the caregiver finds their "special talent"
What if I told you all that the Five Nights At Freddy's movie portrayed Autism a thousand times better than Sia's movie did? Trust me, it was so much more heartwarming, didn't shove it in your face, treated it as a normal thing, and made the movie so much better than it had to be. When FNAF of all things portrays Autism better than a movie that was specifically meant to be about Autism but fails miserably, that is how you know how badly it messed up.
Twilight is a better representation of autism too
tf, there was autism in this movie?
When was there autism in this movie?
@@godzdeadAbbey is pretty much agreed to show autistic traits and is relatable to autistic people. Unlike Music where every movement is exaggerated and cartoonish, Abbey is more real and thus naturally less intrusive and attention grabbing. Only people who relate to Abbey's behaviour will be able to point it out as autistic coded quite easily, but for others who can't the clues will simply pass them right by.
@@conspiracypanda1200 You explained it perfectly, even better than I probably could. Thank you. 💙
14:23 The way she says “special abilities people” are so pure, wait till Sia finds out I can be a massive bitch.
😂😂
Anne of Green Gables is honestly a far more accurate representation of an autistic woman!
It definitely makes sense that Sia came out as autistic with how much internalized ableism was projected into the movie & her defensiveness online. So many of us have ableist, un/diagnosed neurodivergent parents who weaponized their internalized neurotypical expections against us, their children who VERY rarely make it to adulthood without cPTSD ourselves. There is significant generational ableist trauma in the neurodivergent community that isn't often spoken about.
I haven't read the original Anne of Green Gables books, but I've watched Anne with an E which is loosely based on the books. I deeply resonate with how they portrayed Anne in Anne with an E and see myself within her in so many aspects. Also, I agree that she serves as a great autistic representation for AFABs/ autistic women or just lower support needs autistic people in general.
You're absolutely spot on with the internalized ableism late diagnosed autistics face. I often judge autistic traits sometimes because of how much I dislike those same traits in myself and was bullied for them. My dad who I suspect is autistic can do the same things as me and I can be really judgmental of them due to my internalized ableism (also my dad has given me trauma so that is another reason I can be mean to him). I'm in no way saying my internalized ableism and behavior with my dad is okay, i'm trying my best to work on that atm.
In the books Anne doesn't really show signs of autism, but she's clearly the poster child for girl with ADHD
I wouldn't say Anne is autistic. She's just very imaginative in personality and a dreamer. While that could overlap with some people that have autism, non-autistic people like myself also embody traits that Anne has. I'd just say that she's such a well written character that people can relate to her no matter what group they fit into.
If her scenes are too stressful for a real Autistic person it's too stressful for your Autistic character.
Sia said it herself: it's a movie for the caregivers and then she just tacked on "everyone on the autism spectrum."
I think autism is often seen through the eyes of caretakers. That's why you get so many autism moms saying "you can't be autistic if you don't look like my kid". It doesn't matter if our internal experience is the same as her kid, she only cares about her experience as a caretaker.
I love how people call this highly offensive walking stereotype of a movie "Emotional, inspiring, astonishing".
This is just inspiration porn, neither the people watching or the people making the movie care, they just want to PRETEND TO CARE so they can feel good about themselves, so they can feel virtuous. It's the peak definition of virtue signaling. And that's comming from a guy who thinks the term virtue signaling is grossly overused by people online.
Yesthis is virtue signalling. Its usually used as an insult to anyone not right wing lol
As an autistic person, I absolutely loved Extraordinary Attorney Woo, Park Eun Bin did a lot of research and spoke with many autistic individuals and experts in order to create Woo Young Woo’s character. I really like that she chose to create a unique persona based on thorough research rather than imitating someone she knew.
@@Roadent1241netflix! C:
@@Roadent1241 netflix, I think
She didn't actually speak with autistic individuals cause she didn't want Woo Young Woo to be a copy of someone else but she read books and looked at the characteristics of the ASD diagnosis criteria.
It’s my favorite kdrama and first I’ve ever watched! It was entertaining, kinda romantic, and very realistic with the autism spectrum. I only watched a few episodes. But so far they did a good job with not making it sound insulting❤️
Using someone else’s child who you have no familial connection to as your artistic “muse” is so _wildly_ inappropriate and unsettling. Just having someone else’s kid hang out with you at your house and around town with you, a middle aged adult and her employer…is utterly insane and alarming.
and the only reason why this isn't raising alarm bells is because Sia is a woman
'i let two autistic people try and they were stressed so we did it ourselves bc we are compassionate people' SO WEIRD
I was restricted and/or hit when i had meltdowns as a child. Never felt safe at home, got severe mental issues from that and still to this day i wonder why my parents did that..
I used to warn my parents before my meltdown too. I told them please stop screaming it is becomming to much to handle, I would tell them i couldnt take it anymore. So they raised their voices even more, until i started screaming and run away. They would chase me while continuing screaming at me, and when they caught up to me they would hold me down to the floor. There was nothing comforting with that
If i started banging my head or something i was always screamed at.. “we gonna put you in a intuition, youre insane. Whats wrong with you are you mentally ill?!”
@@fiizkenfiizk7645 Right? this is not a "comforting way to handle an autistic person in a meltdown", it's a scene straight out of an horror movie!
I'm sorry you had to deal with that.
I was abused by a former caregiver and she used my autism diagnosis as an excuse and justification for hitting me and controlling my entire life. One time she screamed at me how it was my fault she wasn’t happily married with kids to an ex and that was extremely emotionally devastating to me that I literally cried for hours because I felt guilty that she chose to take care of me. Her fiancé then confronted of her about these words and told her how extremely upset I had become and this woman gave me this fake apology and said that I “misunderstood” what she had said because I’m autistic and treated me like my diagnosis made me a complete idiot that couldn’t tell if someone was angry with me or not. I pretended to accept this “explanation” mostly to make her happy and prevent her from hitting me if I called her out for this. It felt so horrible hearing her basically say that she thought my autism made me stupid and it felt so condescending and patronizing.
The child mind institute’s 100% rating of this representation of autism is highly alarming! I hope they apologized, but I doubt it. The clips look absolutely ridiculous. It doesn’t even look like good acting. I bet my minimally speaking child with no acting experience could do a much better and realistic job!
Her firing for “bad vibes” is extremely concerning, and clearly worked against creating an accurate and fair representation.
A child was murdered at a local school in that prone restraint. It is disgusting to show the actor smiling while in this dangerous position.
I can understand that she was ignorant as a newly diagnosed person. I remember I was. But don’t make a movie without thorough research and seek help from autistics.
Idk if she was newly diagnosed at that time. Based on what I heard is that she got the diagnosis after the movie but I could be wrong. She was ignorant to a lot of stuff surrounding autism. I can have some sympathy for that but she did need to think things through more. I can understand not wanting any negative ppl around during filming but u do wonder if some of the negativity might’ve actually been ppl trying to say that this isn’t good representation and she needs to do more research. It seems a bit more likely given how she reacted to what autistic ppl were saying abt this being bad representation. I don’t doubt that there might’ve been actually negativity for no reason but I do wonder is there was other stuff that she mixed in with that which didn’t need to be mixed in with negativity
@@maem7462 I don't know when she was diagnosed but she announced it more than a year after the movie came out and the movie was filmed 4 years before it was released.
After Sia saying that about the Child Mind Institute I looked them up and they are/were pro ABA etc so in that regard it is like Autism Speaks saying that it is good representation.
Sia did reach out to other organisations and they told her it was extremely problematic and needed lots of changes, turns out that Sia couldn't handle hearing that and chose to ignore them.
The Child Mind Institute also has members who are BCBAs (ABA technicians), sooo....their support means nothing in terms of representation.
Your child would be a great actor, I assure you.
As an autistic person, autism isn't a massive drug trip, as is suggested by the movie.
It's not suggested in the movie. Those musical scenes are clearly just supposed to be art. We don't have to make up reasonings for despising the movie, it's already bad enough without misinterpreting it.
@@fartcannon-wg5ol it's almost as if my comment wasn't supposed to be taken seriously
@@fartcannon-wg5ol Artistically representing the autistic experience with imagery that would overwhelm many autistics, especially those around Music's implied level of support needs, is still inaccurate to the point of being insensitive.
@@TransCommieFromOuterSpace So you don't think it's suggested in the movie? Then your comment is really pointless and not funny.
@@fatcat1414 Yes but that's not what the comment is about.
I feel so terrible for Maddie Zeigler. She told Sia she wasn't comfortable being in the movie and yet............
Yet she still took the money and did it anyway💰💰😎
@@facthunt2facthunt245 Maddie has literally been groomed by Sia for years. She was still a child when this movie was filmed.
@@facthunt2facthunt245 It's not like she was given any choice, since she wasn't even close to being an adult at the time. It's this kind of BS that makes the rest of us look bad.
I mean, the fact that Sia herself said that Maddie cried when she saw how badly the character was portrayed, then pressured her into doing it anyway, pretty much says it all. And the way that Maddie's mom talks in interviews shows that she'll go along with anything that keeps the money rolling in.
@@facthunt2facthunt245 Maddie was a child when they started filming. I wouldn't be surprised if she has seen barely any of the money, especially with the creepy parasitic parent relationship Sia has established.
Sia: they're all so pure and innocent!
Me, an autistic person: has the dirtiest mind and mouth imaginable
Me too.
OMG my house is a pirate ship and I’m the salty captain who’s just done. And yet people still be like, can I bring my kids over? Sure, if you want them to learn some colorful new vocabulary.
I love drugs and sex and cursing
Same
same 😭😭😭
Last year, the People's History Museum in Manchester had a Disabled People's History exhibit, and there was a Blu-Ray copy of Sia's music on display (and an explanation of the impact it had on the disabled community). Something that amused me greatly was that it was still shrink wrapped.
Was it about the harmful impacts or were they glazing it? I feel like an explanation on people moviemakers attempting to capitalize on autism while damaging the community they claim to be representing would make it appropriate. If they were just meat riding Sia then that makes me so sad.
@@anothermiddleschoolburnout8816I really hope it was about the dmg because frankly…Idk why but Sia always brings back some faint trauma and a lot of uncontrolled rage anytime I see her doing anything after that movie.
You know, it's funny you mentioned the opening song of Beauty and the Beast because, in my humble opinion, that scene isn't supposed to be diegetic, right? To me, that scene is there to represent how Belle feels in her town. She feels excluded, ignored and lonely (which, to an undiagnosed autistic girl it was so cathartic 😂). She feels people on her town has expectations for her that do not match her interests, values nor her hyper fixations. You know why? Because Belle is a character with an inner world and the people who created her make sure to use the music as a way of communicating those aspects of herself. So, yeah, the movie with HIV, a drug dealer protagonist, alcoholism and child abuse is somewhat more childish and less psychologically complex than a Disney movie 😂
My sister is in a aba center (against my wishes) and they constantly say she’s having seizures and tics and it’s really just meltdowns. I don’t understand how people get the things confused 😕
They're medicalising her reactions. It's what they tend to do. Medical issues can be "fixed" or medicated.
Hope your sister is back safe to you and you too are idk eating a large decadent chocolate cake.
I'm a neurologist, and a lot of people confuse panic attacks for minor seizures 💁 It's not always easy to distinct the two if you aren't experienced enough.
Hope she gets safe back to you ❤ sending love you ok?
Why she's presenting firing people for bad vibes as something cool? One character just came out of jail and sells drugs, another one is autistic who lost her grandma and has meltdowns as a part of the story (from unbearable happiness, I guess?). The main actress is distressed about ethics of the project and rightly so. No reason for bad vibes, yeah.
Exactly. I found that far more offensive than the movie itself. Laughing about putting two people out of work is sick. She doesn't know or care if those individuals are going to have money problems. They might have really needed that job.
It is concerning that she doesn't understand that it is toxic to have a positivity only policy on set. Think that something is a safety issue, can't bring it up because you are being negative.
I used to have violent meltdowns as a kid. Restraining me wasn't the worst my caregivers did during them, but most of my violent behaviour is in response to attempts to restrain me. Most of the time when they realised I needed to be ushered away into a safe place, the violent behaviour diminished. The complete lack of regard for my autonomy and a lack of understanding after having verbally explained my needs triggers me to this day. Seeing that this was portrayed in the movie as acceptable and warranted was the thing the put me off the most. It continues the idea that Autism is a disease that turns Autistics into violent monsters, or we are infantile creatures needing to be locked away or coddled. It continues several misunderstandings about who we are as people and where the disabling aspects of autism begin.
That must hurt a lot. I was never restrained but I remember begging my mother to take me home from the shopping mall when I felt like the whole place was spinning and I was going to vomit. I was told that the toddlers that wouldn't cry after a day of "just shopping" and she was tired of me being "always like this". The meltdowns aren't the person, they're cries for help that need to be heard. An autistic person bashing their head on the wall all the time? That's not "just them", they're in severe distress that can't be solved by tackling them like it's a game of football.
I'm so sorry this happened to you 😢
I just feel terrible for Maddie. The away Sia obsesses over her makes me really uncomfortable, and she was just a 14 year old trying to do her best with what little resources she got in trying to play a character who has a disability she doesnt
I have absolutely no doubt that when Maddie turns 18, Sia's gonna start dating her. I just know it deep down in my black-as-night soul.
@@nevaehhamilton3493 Maddie is 21
@@ida_sleeps oh hell no. They're probably already secretly dating then if Sia hasn't disposed of her.
you don't make an "old school" movie about a subject so few know about. you can't go old school on an idea that is new school to most people and has so much stigma still
So few know about? Everyone knows about Autism.
@@facthunt2facthunt245 There's a difference between knowing something exists and what that concept entails
@@facthunt2facthunt245everyone knowing about melanin hasn’t stopped racism has it boo
Really sad that people who makes good music turned out to be really horrible people.
*Crap music. She's no Nikki Sixx.
Reasons why you should support smaller indie artists whenever possible.
@@AiLoveAidoruWhat happens when those artists go mainstream though?
@@FreddyKruegerTheDreamDemonchances are they won't. The music industry suckkks now
@@FreddyKruegerTheDreamDemon big artists have to start somewhere. Mandopony is a good example of this.
Side note: I think a film about a 45 yr old woman who doesn’t realize she’s autistic making a haphazard film about a diagnosis over which she wrongfully feels superior WOULD be a very interesting film
Honestly, I would watch the hell out of it.
Yeah that would be interesting. Internalized ableism would be a great topic.
Film? Don't you mean true crime documentary?
@@Charuchii you might enjoy the film Welcome To Me, where a woman with BPD (often considered the result of undiagnosed autism in women) wining the lottery and then making a tv show about herself.
This almost sounds like the Tommy Wausau movie about The Room!
"Autistic episodes"... ah yes, every year of my life is a new season of autism for me. getting overwhelmed at a family event? oh, that's the double-feature holiday special!
I wish the autistic episode where I fall in love will happen already, or the autistic episode where I win the lottery.
Not sure “the kook in me recognizes the kook in you” is the profound statement she thought it was
It's just the "Your crazy matches my crazy" from Deadpool lol
😂 true
@@anothermiddleschoolburnout8816 except Deadpool said it better than Sia.
Meanwhile that other lady was crying her head off.
@@anothermiddleschoolburnout8816except in Deadpool it's tongue in cheek sarcasm. Not some "deep understanding" of another person. It's saying "we work well together". Not some "I see you as a kindred soul"... which is REALLY creepy.
I have a friend who was bound during a meltdown and has severe PTSD from it. It's _really_ hard to sue a hospital in Canada.
I'm so sorry I hope ur friend is ok
How does one mix up seizures and meltdowns in a major lotion picture in the FINAL DRAFT
Easily if it is someone who doesn't know what a stim is and calls them tics
"Major lotion picture" Umm....
@@EldritchMephi I’m proud of my mistake
I'm really tempted to ask AI to generate an image of a "major lotion picture".
Major lotion picture made me cackle thank you
i was in a treatment center for autistic kids with depression/self harm issues for a year. one time, it was just me, one of the staff, and another girl (everyone else was out doing an activity.) We got to pick a movie for movie night and me and the other girl thought it would be fun to watch Music to make fun of it since we're both autistic. We thought it was terrible. During one of the first meltdown scenes it was so triggering for the other girl that we had to turn off the movie. i think that certainly says something...
This made me think of how the film Everything Everywhere All at Once was originally conceived as a film about a character with ADHD, but as a result of the research they did for it the writers decided to remove any explicit mention of it, plus one of them ended up getting diagnosed ADHD themselves. And they ended up creating a movie that I and other ADHDers massively relate to. I feel like if she'd actually researched autism properly and let that shape her movie she would have both created a very different film and maybe even started seeking out a diagnosis earlier - maybe she would have even ended up making the sort of film you were suggesting, and it would have become about the older sister coming to terms with being Autistic.
Wrong presentations deliver wrong reactions from strangers.
Exactly! wrong representation can do a LOT of harm (it doesn't matter if it's intentional or not).
I don't mean to be rude or anything, I'm just curious as to why you leave multiple comments instead of just putting everything into one, especially since two of your comments say the same thing*?
*the other two I've seen where you talk about your own awful experience which I'm sorry you went through that, that is truly awful.
@@LilyCat963 I said different things, not the same.
I been lectured by people complaining about me leaving long posts too, so when I reach three lines on UA-cam, I try to end the comment there, and leave another comment if more thoughts come up, and in this case, more thoguhts did come up.
I was also abused into speaking, I'm speech delayed, didnt speak until I was four years old. Nobody taught me how to type online until I was an adult (dial up was around when I graduated High School). This paragraph is relevant, affects how I communicate.
I keep encountering people who have issues with how I communicate, the torment may never cease, so I find my own way, which likely will not be "standard" because I'm autistic too.
Creative mind here, with a lot of stories stuffed into me from 47 years of experience, only 20 were spent being aware I was autistic, the other (earlier) were spent in emotional pain hating myself.
I could write novels if I didnt force myself to hold back.
I hope this trimmed down summary (little snippets of my mind) helps you understand why I left multiple different posts.
I appreciate genuine honestly, to ask the difficult questions, I take no offense. I like to share my thoughts.
@@Green_Roc Thank you for the response! I appreciate the paragraph, honestly! I'm currently seeking an autism diagnosis myself. I may be low needs but I've struggled a lot myself, so I can only imagine how it was for you. Maybe it's because of autism that I genuinely appreciate longer comments (more information), I'm not sure.
I'm also glad you took no offense! Honestly, the only reason I was able to ask is because I started taking medication for ADHD yesterday (at age 28, 14+ years after diagnosis)... who knew most of my social anxiety came from ADHD just causing me to overthink everything! Though, I did have to work a lot on myself before reaching this point.
I'm glad to know a reason that people, like yourself, leave multiple comments. To be honest it always irritated me, but I know it's better to just try to understand since most people don't do things out of malice. So, your response really helped me!
I hope things are and continue to get better for you as well!
@@LilyCat963 I do like long comments personally. Hopefully you get the answers to your questions about why life feels like we're playing a game on hard mode while everyone else seems to be having an easy time.
I like to give everyone the benefit of my doubt, for I sure wish I was given more compassion too, instead of being misjudged a jerk by so many in my past.
Good luck out there 👍
Yess Attorney Woo was so good! I related to that character so much. It's hard to believe that the actor isn't actually autistic... 🕵️
I know! I had to look it up after watching the first episode - thought she might be!
ATTORNEY WOO!! :p im gonna watch it again, i love it so much
did any of ya'll catch that? around 18:30 Sia laughs over the fact she only had to fire 2 people from the movie. She admitted earlier that she fired both the autistic actors she tried to use. So in the movie about autism the only people fired were the autistic actors.
It's a display of her lack of empathy and humanity.
I'm gonna wait for the Jax and Sia collab for the ultimate song about autism. /j
I get the feeling you aren’t talking about the guy from the digital circus
Vpr?
As an autistic person myself, my big thing with Sia and “Music,” was that around the same time, Gary Numan, who has been an autism self-advocate for years, released his autobiography and an album to go with it. The whole concept of the book and album is how he as an autistic man used music to connect with others. Rather than making a grand statement on autism, he speaks to his own personal experiences as an autistic person.
Imagine what that could have looked like with Sia’s budget. Imagine what kind of movie Sia could have made if she looked more into autism and autistic community activism before writing the musical, realized she was autistic herself, and looked to elder musicians who are active in the autistic community like Numan and David Byrne as sources of inspiration.
Before Sia’s diagnosis, I felt that Sia was talking over autistic voices like Numan’s. Now that I know she’s autistic herself, I feel like she could have looked to other autistic voices for inspiration but chose not to. Both are bad.
She's what Kendrick meant by "the weirdos, but not the good ones"
Inspo prn always made me (self-diagnosed in my early 30s) feel like a failure. "If they can overcome all their challenges, why can't I?"
I personally consider "inspiration pr0n" to be just a particularly insidious form of psychological abuse.
TW discussion of restraints and se*ual assault:
I’m autistic and I also have seizures. I’ve been restrained during both seizures and meltdowns and they were both equally traumatizing. The way I felt in those moments was similar to how I felt when I was SA’d.
I have no patience for movies like Music that- even in ignorance- depict such a harmful tactic.
I'm so sorry this happened to you😢 I can't image what that means to get through that but I feel incredible anxiety just thinking abt it
Idk how on earth can ppl think this is normal 😢
She hasnt done enough to repair her relationship with the community especially since she’s kind of been signaling this whole time that she Would actually like to be the spokes person for the autistic community thankyouverymuch
This is what happens when you go for a vision rather than killing your darlings. Remember kids, responsible writing is good writing.
The only thing I know Sia for is being in the My Little Pony movie and making a terrible autism movie
same 😍
Sia's best movie is her weird character in the my little pony movie. She should have stuck with making music and maybe hire a few less yes men
I LOVE THAT MOVIE!!!
What character?
@@Sh12pen Songbird Serenade in the mlp movie! She's a lovely singer, not so great on the autism representation unfortunately 😅
Ugh, goddamn it.
I hate the song "Rainbow".
SONGBIRD!! :p i love her character during the movie but right now, I can't see Songbird in a goodlight anymore :((
Thanks for bringing this back up, it’s important people are aware of how wrong Sia got it. She should’ve cast an Autistic person for starters.
I just remember the "I'm gonna look derp in headphones because autism is derp" picture from that movie.
Ugh.
(Stomps off mumbling creative invectives)
I look dope with headphones.
@@facthunt2facthunt245 same bro they're my best feature
Yeah I look dope in noise cancelling headphones too 😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎😎
I look adorable in my noise canceling headphones.
dude do any of y’all know how it feels to have a hyperfixation on Hamilton and have one of the lead actors star in a movie that has a message that’s basically “OHHHHhhHhhHhh AUTISM IS sO pUrE and CUUUUuuuUUuUUTE UWU UWU UWU UWU 💙🧩💙🧩💙🧩💙🧩💙🧩💙🧩💙”
im very disappointed in Leslie :(
I KNOW THAT FEELING! We're not alone!
ME TOO
the way my face dropped
I find fascination with purity disgusting.
I love Hamilton!!!! Which actor was it??
@@baizhuscrunkly Leslie Odom Jr, the original Aaron Burr, he's "the neighbour" who does the friggin constriction to Music
I love how she says autistic people are "pure"... I'm autistic and one of my interests is true crime and especially cannibalism 🤔
I can relate. One of my special interests is the Hannibal Television series. Newly diagnosed autistic girlie here.
@@ihavetogotowork1668 I love Hannibal!!! Felt like it was literally made for me lol
@@cheembs2241 I've watched the entire show more than 7 times. It never gets old.
Im autistic and one of my fav games is Fear and Hunger lol
My special interest is vampires and I also love the tv series Dexter and the character of Hannibal Lecter because I think they're cool sometimes. But pure doesn't necessarily means good, it can be pure evil LOL
Thank you for all of your wonderful content! I was diagnosed with autism and adhd in my late teens, but your voice in the community has been more relatable than anything else I have found so far
I love being so pure and having special abilities ✨😆
Yes 💙🧩🥰😍✨
I'd like to have special abilities. I'd choose to fly and be invisible and run as fast as a cheater.
@@facthunt2facthunt245 honestly, same
@@facthunt2facthunt245cheetah*
As someone on the spectrum, I can confirm I'm made of pure light and have the abilty to warp the universe at will
I look for (or aim for) three things in an apology: a sincere apology with acceptance of responsibility, an appropriate attempt to make things right or at least reduce future harm, and work done towards self-improvement. Has she done any of these?
im not offficially diagnosed yet but part of my journey so far has been purging myself of stereotypes, falsehoods, and misunderstandings about autism and adhd. learning what they actually are and especially learning from autistic and adhd youtubers has been the most beneficial. i can't imagine having to write or create a movie about autism before i knew all that i know now. i feel overwhelmed sometimes but mostly its been positive because knowing who you really are is much more valuable than bumbling through life thinking you are something you are not. also even though i've learned a lot in a short time, i still wouldn't be comfortable enough about making a movie about it lol 😋
I'm glad you started this channel Megan you're awesome and I always in enjoy your videos.
That's so kind - thank you 💛
erm hot take (that really should not be hot at all)
autistic people can be ableist. like in general disabled ppl can be ableist, just like how gay people can be homophobic and trans people can be transphobic. i say that as somebody who is those things and used to be ableist, homophobic and transphobic
it would take something really huge for me to forgive sia, maybe if she actually spends a good couple years actually helping autistic people, but so far that doesn't seem to have happened, she did a lot of damage to all of us with that movie and her diagnosis is the equivalent of destroying somebody's stuff and then looking at them with a blank face and saying "sorry 😐"
@masela01
Why are so many autistics trans? Are there any trans people without autism? It's beginning to look more like causation rather than correlation.
@@facthunt2facthunt245Yes there are. The most likely theory is that it’s not necessarily that autistic people are more likely to be trans but are more likely to be open about being trans.
Even though rainman might be harder to make today Dustin Hoffman actually spoke with families with members on the spectrum so his character can be less of characature. Sia clearly did way less work.
Even more than that, he spent a year with the man that the character was based on and he was invited to be on set any time that he wished.
Same way that Dakota Fanning and the director of Please Stand By spent time with autistic teens before Dakota played Wendy.
Sia has a major saviour complex. Her obsession with "good vibes only" means she's unable to accept criticism or disagreement and her response to people's dislike of the movie proves that
I empathize with the internalized ableism, its hard to shake off.
12:10 speaking of chloe and sia, there’s a line in heartbreak high where in response to someone being ignorant about autism they said “okay Sia🙄” which is hilarious
She went from suggesting she was "on the spectrum" then it becomes no instead it was addiction and ADHD. She lied about things and I don't really trust anything she says.
Exactly. With all the disorders she's claimed to have over the years it would seem she might have Munchausens if anything.
she didn't say WHICH spectrum, maybe she was riding the magic pill rainbow, who knows lol
From the wealthiest and most influential like Sia to the poorest and most obscure Europeans and people of the European colonial diaspora, how "whiteness" affects everyone with autism is a non-issue, or at best, a peripheral issue barely spoken of. I'm a 67 years old Black, Woman, and my parents were told I likely would have developmental impairments when I was born. Despite my mother's degree in child development, and my father, a surgeon, they rejected any information outside the worst of cultural pan-stereotypes. My father, for exampled, couldn't intuitively understand why as a child, I could understand and use a telescope, but get confused tying my shoes, so his diagnosis was it was intentional behavior, and his solution, was threatening to beat me within an inch of my life if I didn't start tying my shoes. I was formally diagnosed on the autistic spectrum while participating in a research program at the University of Cincinnati in my late teens, but to this day, race so profoundly distorts the cultural perception of autism, that I and many like me cannot access healthcare or the many predominately white support organizations without facing varied forms of abuse, and if like me, one is also LGBTQ+, it is common to only be tolerated within the small number of BIPOC autism support groups.
These are the stories of autistic people we need. One of my favorite things about being autistic is how it makes me curious about other people in a really genuine way. The role whiteness plays in ableism absolutely needs to be taken seriously in these conversations. Thank you for sharing your experiences. While our experiences are very different, if it is alright to say, your age makes me very hopeful because I am not used to hearing about older autistic people at all, or older LGBTQ+ people tbh. I hope you have found a community that truly values and respects you as you are.
Thank you for commenting this. I'm a recently diagnosed autistic black woman and I was actually evaluated as a child but my autism was missed because of the racial and gender bias of the doctors that evaluated me.
I’d be interested to know what kind of abuse goes on in those organizations. That‘s difficult for me to wrap my head around. Though as a white/jewish person the way I was treated at home was not that different from your experience. My dad cares about me but he‘s too stubborn to understand me, and it led to years of abuse.
I can defintely see that white doctors would fail at diagnosing autism if they’re expecting Shaun Murphy from „The Good Doctor“ and are instead confronted with, for instance black autistic people speaking AAVE or Hispanics speaking chicano English. It‘s just not going to line up with their idea of what autism looks like.
jesus.. that would be so traumatic..to be pinned down like thag..terrifying and traumatic
Ikr that's abuse😢
Music was not about Music, it was about her sister. The autistic girl was just a marketing stunt and a plot device to make the real main character get her happy ending.
As a lower needs autistic that highly depends on his caregiver and outside help, I did not relate one bit to this movie, and the opening caused me eye strain, I'm visually hypersensitive. So not only it made me feel humiliated and hopeless for a future where people actually understand us, or at least try, it also brought me physical pain.
Music is a horrible movie.
The holding someone down in meltdown thing is such a hugely problematic piece of information. My mom tried to do that to me while I was in meltdown one time and I accidentally kicked her and it just cause so much more harm than good. It reminds me of back in the day I always heard “if you see someone in public having a seizure grab their tongue so they don’t swallow it” even though swallowing your own tongue isn’t physically possible and shoving your fingers in a seizing persons mouth is way more likely to make them choke than their own tongue
In vaguely remember the actress that she chose to play Music originally says that the accomodations she asked for were rejected and then Sia went with Maddie.
Before even watching the video, agree 110%. The fact that people INSTANTLY forgot what she did is insane to me. I used to be such a big fan of her and her trio, especially since she's Australian like I am, she was a big inspiration of mine. I was devastated when I saw what she did and how she handled it. Since then I haven't been able to listen to her music at all
As a general rule: if you're going to create or say anything that is meant to represent any group or person, maybe do a bit of research on it first, or be willing to face the consequences... she kinda picked the wrong ants' nest to step on here as our community can tend to be a wee bit forthright when it comes to these important matters :Þ
15:05 As an autistic epileptic, there's a huge difference between a seizure and a meltdown! There's even multiple types of seizures. I hate being restrained during a meltdown! Very harmful stereotype.
What?? It happened to u often?? 😥
I have unfortunately just watched the film on Amazon and the “Content advisory” are for “violence, substance use, alcohol use, foul language”. The restraint scenes are still there.
We live in a small city, my son gets to be exactly who he is and everyone in our little corner of the city let him be... I'm so grateful he's had this experience! I know it's not realistic in many parts of the world, but right here in a tiny corner of Ireland, an autistic teenager gets to be himself without hassle. ❤❤❤
thats so luckyy
I'm happy for your son😊