@@luperamos7307 It will fit in my garage. the pilot is just a tad too big. and my sister/bro-in-law have the pilot. i dont need something that big. 2 rows & lots of trunk space suits me fine.
Hey ! I owned a 2020 touring and just exchanged it for a 2024 Touring. As you can tell, I absolutely love it. The engineering behind it and how it drives is great. The Honda i-VTM4 All-Wheel Drive makes all the difference. The 9-speed V6 is a gem. Longevity and reliability !
I got a 24 Black Edition. I don't really need the off road capabilities of the Trail Edition and the difference was $2000. With that I got a better sound system, the 20" black wheels, and cooled seats which has been nice with the recent heat wave. I drove a pilot too and oddly enough I think it rode a little better. However, I don't need a 3rd row, we have limited space in the driveway, and the Passport seems to have better acceleration than the Pilot when needed. The transmission mapping at lower gears can be a bit tricky but not nearly has bad as my Atlas was and the ride can get slightly bouncy at times. Overall I have had the Passport for just two weeks now and would recommend it. The 2025 models are coming out too so you can probably find a 2024 now for under MSRP.
@@travisp11Thank you! was that the out the door price or before taxes and fees? The trim I am trying to get is the EXL AWD with a sticker price of 43750 including dwstimation and handling but before taxes and fees. Of course they want to pile dealer add ons to the sticker price like nitrogen, etching and fluff like that.
@@Teporame the only extras I added was the towing package, and the dealer tacks on $600 for a mudflap detail package that you really can’t avoid. So, take off the $600 and it’s closer to $44,900 ish. Taxes and fees vary based on each state. I don’t pay that stuff till 30 days later when I had to pay Nebraskas high registrstion fee (close to $900) and sales tax of nearly $3K. It has been an expensive buy in.
@@randomhobbies5796 Launch control is a German thing. Would be cool though if Honda implemented it with the transmission with software. The transmission can handle it. Honda isn’t the greatest with transmission tuning. Even their 10 speed is problematic. Acura owners complain about 10 speed.
@RaitisRides Seeing the spy shots, it looks promising. Very Pilot inspired ruggedness. Interior looks nice too. Should maybe debut early or middle next year since the '24 was launched fall of '23, right?
Joe, re: the zonk to lack of LED lighting... you have to zonk the manufacturers for not making a drop in replacement LED bulb but instead going to integrated LED modules so when the LED modules go out you have to replace the whole housing.
Hands down hondas reliabilty and affordability is why its my choice of vehicle. Two of my vehicles over 300000 miles. Passport is the next car. Honda is functional, reliable & affordable hands down!
Jsport aftermarket accessories.You can get a 1.5 inch lift kit & other goodies. What sets the Trailsport apart is the torque vectoring AWD system. It compeats with the Forester/Outback/Crosstrek, & Rav4 TRD off road. A 4Runner would blow this out of the water. Other crossovers like the CX50 don't have a torque vectoring AWD system.
At the end of the day, Joe, the changes are nice.........not THRILLING........but niiiiiiiice. 😊 I'll wait for the highly anticipated redesign coming our way, Raiti. 😮
Joe, I have no interest in buying this car but I appreciate the offroading segment. It was a nice change of pace and is further demonstration your commitment to getting your viewers the information they need to make informed decisions. That’s why you’re one of my faves!
On the 2024 model year. The Passport’s vents got redesigned resembling the one from the Fourth Generation Pilot. This change also applies to the Ridgeline.
My 2019 Honda Pilot at 32000 miles needs new injectors and can’t seem to find , dealership said out of stock, same thing online. I would recommend a Honda to anyone I tried calling Honda because there’s an extended warranty for the injectors but apparently only some 2019 Pilot do get the warranty, mine doesn’t
Bulbs yes. But companies don’t just put in LED bulbs. They manufacture whole LED modules. When they need to be replaced, it’s 500 and up for each one. So be happy Honda didn’t change it. You can buy LED bulbs for cheap.
Looks good to me, and two row is definitely better than three. Personally I do not like all the gadgets on the steering wheel, and the engine cover is blah. Other than that the Passport is nicely done.
Your point deductions are spot on and I agree that for 44k, they should have included LED turn signals, heads-up display and a forward-facing camera, especially since it is the trail edition. The Honda reliability and the available trunk space make this a great choice regardless.
Great video. I wonder if a dealer would give cost to replace each of the usual replaceable items - lightbulbs, wipers, brakes, oil changes, all the known maintenance things. If we had a price would it help? PS Dealer cost to replace Jeep Cherokee light bulb $700. Why don’t more people ask this?
Hey Joe, I see a little of the new Subaru Forester in this Honda. Be interesting to compare the two when both are on the market together. I choose the Subie ahead of time lol. Thanks for the video.
This is a little different class, above the Subaru because it’s more expensive and a bit bigger. But yeah it’s a good attempt at the same kind of car subaru makes. When they redesign this next year hopefully it’s good
Looks good with the "Trail Sport" badging featuring the Colorado Rockies. Passport looks rough and ready for going off-road where anything can happen to you. More vehicles should have an engine compartment hood that opens wide so you can see what there is in there.
per haps some of the 4runner owners might buy this, because the new 4runner will be turbocharged. Not sure if these new V6 will still need the VCM muzzler. For a car like this, would you put the spare on the front or rear due to AWD?
Be happy you can change bulbs for cheap to LED. When manufacturers change to LED, they use modules to meet safety requirements. Those are 500 and up for each one. Not easy to change and have to special order. So you can change to LED bulbs easy. Be happy it’s old school and best of both worlds. Honda saved everyone money and aggravation for future. Wait till to get a car that you need to change out a whole LED cluster. Some vehicles can be thousands.
Joe, I’m with you on most of your assessments of the vehicles that you review, however your zonks for incandescent lights bulbs leave me scratching my head. LED light assemblies are nice until you have to replace one. I’d much rather spend a buck or two for a bulb, than have to spend potentially hundreds of dollars for an entire assembly all because one segment of LEDs went out. I guess it’s the way of the industry nowadays, but I don’t necessarily consider it a good thing.
Can't have a drain because it's a removable piece to access the tire. Water would get between it and the actual floor or up from the road or a car wash.
one problem is cooling system is not that effective especially trany and rear diff,over heating light will flash if you give heavy throttle for little while and price also very heavy for an average American house hold.🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
Why do car companies that make an off-road version of their SUVs ignore approach and departure angles and ground clearance? Subaru was smart enough to increase ground clearance and approach/departure angles in their Wilderness trims.
Thanks man for ruining my day, and the entire weekend for that matter. The only thought my mind Is able to process now is that my engine cover looks like a trash can lid…🙄
I find the Pilot too big for my needs and drives a bit like a boat. The Passport is the right size, drives a bit better, and has better gas mileage, but there is a class action lawsuit against Honda due to problems with the 9 transmission (actually from when the transmission was in the Pilot. It is still in the Passport). I understand Honda for the Passport in 2025 is going to switch to the 10 speed transmission, upgrade the interior some, and improve the bumpers. I say wait for the redesign in 2025 and then decide. Now if we could just get them to switch to a timing chain instead of a belt....Ok, I'm dreaming...
I'm so sad about the timing belt. I have a 2011 kia sorento now v6 and I LOVE it but sadly it has a very expensive repair that I can't justify. I was rushed to find a new vehicle, hate thrid row so i settled on the passport. I'm waiting on my trailsport to come in and have been researching, upset that it's not DOHC and no timing chain.
I bought a 2020 Passport Elite new in February 2021 (now has 45,000 miles), and it's been a great vehicle. The one downside are the 20-inch wheels. I've been reluctant to take mine off-road because because of the lower profile tires and risk of damage. (I live in San Diego and enjoy being in the deserts east of here.) One "zonk" on the 2024 Trailsport, IMHO, is the lack of recovery points built into the bumpers/frame, especially if they're going to market it as off-road capable.
Love this vehicle...not many people actually need a 7 seat SUV. I wish they would go hybrid with the powertrain or at least use the Pilot powertrain. This tells me that a complete update is coming soon.
They will go hybrid eventually. Unfortunately they will drop to 4 cylinder and lose 80 hp. Are you willing to make that sacrifice in loss of power to save some fuel? Look at CRV if you want Hybrid.
I'll definitely wait for the Prologue. Looks way nicer. Although, I'm not sure what Honda's strategy is, partnering with GM, and then turning around and saying they WON'T be partnering them after the Prologue. What the heck is going on at Honda?
What's the point in placing the Turn Signals down so low? Can't be seen in most traffic situations. Bad design IMHO. The engine still uses a timing belt. Something to think about if you plan on owning it for awhile.
I actually think the push button thing is kinda cool. I don't really pay attention to what vehicles offer until I'm looking for one and I didn't know push button was a thing until I looked at a passport!
I wouldn’t mind an SR5 premium, but where I live, the Toyota dealerships have lost their minds and they start off at $52K. Thinking of opting out for something like this Trailsport since I’ve seen some for under MSRP.
2 rows, 9-speed transmission, V6 power and Honda's reliability. I'd pay for it.
Why would you get it over the Pilot though? They are pretty similar in price.
@@luperamos7307the pilot is 200” and this is 189.1”. 😂
@@magnoliap5824 which is why I would be more inclined to get the Pilot
@@luperamos7307 and for me the passport, 200” is too big!
@@luperamos7307 It will fit in my garage. the pilot is just a tad too big. and my sister/bro-in-law have the pilot. i dont need something that big. 2 rows & lots of trunk space suits me fine.
Joe hands down the best car reviewer! Love every single details you show us! So many reviewers skip through some things us the customers want to see
Hey ! I owned a 2020 touring and just exchanged it for a 2024 Touring. As you can tell, I absolutely love it. The engineering behind it and how it drives is great. The Honda i-VTM4 All-Wheel Drive makes all the difference. The 9-speed V6 is a gem. Longevity and reliability !
I got a 24 Black Edition. I don't really need the off road capabilities of the Trail Edition and the difference was $2000. With that I got a better sound system, the 20" black wheels, and cooled seats which has been nice with the recent heat wave. I drove a pilot too and oddly enough I think it rode a little better. However, I don't need a 3rd row, we have limited space in the driveway, and the Passport seems to have better acceleration than the Pilot when needed. The transmission mapping at lower gears can be a bit tricky but not nearly has bad as my Atlas was and the ride can get slightly bouncy at times. Overall I have had the Passport for just two weeks now and would recommend it. The 2025 models are coming out too so you can probably find a 2024 now for under MSRP.
I put a security deposit on a new 2024 Passport Trailsport, should be here any day!
Got her on 1-29-2024!
How much did you pay for it? I want to have a price reference from other buyers to negotiate…Thank you.
@@Teporame $45,870 but that was before I added the Honda towing hitch and wiring harness.
@@travisp11Thank you! was that the out the door price or before taxes and fees? The trim I am trying to get is the EXL AWD with a sticker price of 43750 including dwstimation and handling but before taxes and fees. Of course they want to pile dealer add ons to the sticker price like nitrogen, etching and fluff like that.
@@Teporame the only extras I added was the towing package, and the dealer tacks on $600 for a mudflap detail package that you really can’t avoid. So, take off the $600 and it’s closer to $44,900 ish. Taxes and fees vary based on each state. I don’t pay that stuff till 30 days later when I had to pay Nebraskas high registrstion fee (close to $900) and sales tax of nearly $3K. It has been an expensive buy in.
I have a 23 Trailsport and also zonked the old school turn signals. I bought some Amazon special Chinese LED bulbs and that solved the problem.
link?
yes link please? just easy plug & play?
Honda Trailsport is a pretty nice looking and running 2 row SUV, great that it has a 9sp trans instead of a CTV.
Honda trail sport is. Badges and tires bs that's it..also is cvt not ctv. 9speed is cool but it's missing launch control
@@randomhobbies5796 Launch control is a German thing. Would be cool though if Honda implemented it with the transmission with software. The transmission can handle it.
Honda isn’t the greatest with transmission tuning. Even their 10 speed is problematic. Acura owners complain about 10 speed.
Just wait for the 2025 Passport. It’s getting a whole redesign.
Sounds exciting 😀
We will see how it goes!
@@DarkJediChrisG-1425fingers crossed Honda does it right!
@RaitisRides Seeing the spy shots, it looks promising. Very Pilot inspired ruggedness. Interior looks nice too. Should maybe debut early or middle next year since the '24 was launched fall of '23, right?
Yea but sadly most likely a twin turbo 4 cylinder
Joe, re: the zonk to lack of LED lighting... you have to zonk the manufacturers for not making a drop in replacement LED bulb but instead going to integrated LED modules so when the LED modules go out you have to replace the whole housing.
True. Some headlight modules are 500 and up.
Keep up the good work Joe and crew!
Thank you Howie!
Hands down hondas reliabilty and affordability is why its my choice of vehicle. Two of my vehicles over 300000 miles. Passport is the next car. Honda is functional, reliable & affordable hands down!
Two rows and a N/A V6 👍👍.
Grand Cherokee and Ford Edge also offer that.
@@krushdgrapez5265 with none of the reliability
Fruttie pebbles and the 8 inch comments were hilarious 😂😂😂😂😂 . Great 👍 review Joe as always 👌
Thank you Honda for keeping that V6 while your competitors are phasing it out.
The fact that the Pilot is considered mid-sized is wild.
Crazy isn't it!
That huge Honda badge, is something that flavor flav would have on his chest, and around his neck!!😂😂
Yes of course Joe & I'm planning to buy one.
Jsport aftermarket accessories.You can get a 1.5 inch lift kit & other goodies. What sets the Trailsport apart is the torque vectoring AWD system. It compeats with the Forester/Outback/Crosstrek, & Rav4 TRD off road. A 4Runner would blow this out of the water. Other crossovers like the CX50 don't have a torque vectoring AWD system.
Oh wow that you for sharing that great intel.
My wife has this exact model and color…it’s an awesome ride.
how is it on gas
At the end of the day, Joe, the changes are nice.........not THRILLING........but niiiiiiiice. 😊 I'll wait for the highly anticipated redesign coming our way, Raiti. 😮
I think you hit the nail on the head!
@RaitisRides Appreciate it Joe. 👌 I hope the Ridgeline redesign follows!
Joe, I have no interest in buying this car but I appreciate the offroading segment. It was a nice change of pace and is further demonstration your commitment to getting your viewers the information they need to make informed decisions. That’s why you’re one of my faves!
What car would you buy instead if you don't mind me asking?
On the 2024 model year. The Passport’s vents got redesigned resembling the one from the Fourth Generation Pilot. This change also applies to the Ridgeline.
Not a fan of panoramic sunroof. I like the standard size sunroof.
My 2019 Honda Pilot at 32000 miles needs new injectors and can’t seem to find , dealership said out of stock, same thing online.
I would recommend a Honda to anyone
I tried calling Honda because there’s an extended warranty for the injectors but apparently only some 2019 Pilot do get the warranty, mine doesn’t
aren't LED's cheaper to manufacture than incandescent bulbs?
You would think so
Bulbs yes. But companies don’t just put in LED bulbs. They manufacture whole LED modules. When they need to be replaced, it’s 500 and up for each one.
So be happy Honda didn’t change it. You can buy LED bulbs for cheap.
I don't need a cooler, but I do like the Passport!
Looks good to me, and two row is definitely better than three. Personally I do not like all the gadgets on the steering wheel, and the engine cover is blah. Other than that the Passport is nicely done.
I may base my next purchase on the lack of of gaudy gloss-black plastic that is on/in the vehicle.
That is a way to go!
That viewable area on the center screen is about the same size as my cellphone turned sideways.
Your point deductions are spot on and I agree that for 44k, they should have included LED turn signals, heads-up display and a forward-facing camera, especially since it is the trail edition. The Honda reliability and the available trunk space make this a great choice regardless.
Im single with one kid, why would I buy a 3 row? Thats why I love this car, its perfect specially the engine
That is an excellent point Estrella!
Great job joe..
I also have a 23 trailsport in silver...just love it...keep up the great work guys👍🏻✌️
Super J ~ I saw one yesterday on the road & it looks great in person. great job Joe & Crew, tony
I CANT CHOOSE BETWEEN THE TRAILSPORT & THE BLACK EDITION
Great video. I wonder if a dealer would give cost to replace each of the usual replaceable items - lightbulbs, wipers, brakes, oil changes, all the known maintenance things. If we had a price would it help? PS Dealer cost to replace Jeep Cherokee light bulb $700. Why don’t more people ask this?
I appreciate the nostalgia references in your videos.
Honda should put back the shifter
21:05. Since it's made of plaatic, it shouldn't be too hard to look up on UA-cam how to make your iwn drain plug in the bottom of it!
You still gotta drill through metal body and mend plastic to metal body if you want that. I wouldn’t suggest it.
Do you think passport is better than pilot??
Can’t wait to see the 2025! Hoping for an updated infotainment. Would love to see the Black Edition review next time.
Hey Joe, if this car review thing doesn't work out, I bet you would make it in stand up comedy!! 😊
Oh wow! That is awesome of you to say.
@@RaitisRides Drybar for sure 😁👍
I live in the palm harbor tarpon area.. I haven’t found a neat little trail like that yet! 😮
That is the official Raiti's Rides off road course!
@@RaitisRideshaha touché! Looks fun!
Hey Joe, I see a little of the new Subaru Forester in this Honda.
Be interesting to compare the two when both are on the market together.
I choose the Subie ahead of time lol.
Thanks for the video.
This is a little different class, above the Subaru because it’s more expensive and a bit bigger. But yeah it’s a good attempt at the same kind of car subaru makes.
When they redesign this next year hopefully it’s good
The passports looks nice 100%.
Joe and Lori and Steve keep up the good work real true and I love the video real true 👍
Excellent work doing the Review! Still waiting for Honda to change the Tail Lights.
They have to update modules. Those are not cheap. Just buy some LED bulbs.
Looks good with the "Trail Sport" badging featuring the Colorado Rockies. Passport looks rough and ready for going off-road where anything can happen to you. More vehicles should have an engine compartment hood that opens wide so you can see what there is in there.
per haps some of the 4runner owners might buy this, because the new 4runner will be turbocharged. Not sure if these new V6 will still need the VCM muzzler. For a car like this, would you put the spare on the front or rear due to AWD?
Love the Passport, just minor changes. Give me a us a panoramic sunroof and no more Thomas Edison lightbulbs, please!
Be happy you can change bulbs for cheap to LED. When manufacturers change to LED, they use modules to meet safety requirements. Those are 500 and up for each one. Not easy to change and have to special order.
So you can change to LED bulbs easy. Be happy it’s old school and best of both worlds. Honda saved everyone money and aggravation for future.
Wait till to get a car that you need to change out a whole LED cluster. Some vehicles can be thousands.
Honda doesn't offer a skid plate option, were you referencing after market?
Honda buys them through aftermarket company. Also have 3” lift too. Honda can install them.
Joe, I’m with you on most of your assessments of the vehicles that you review, however your zonks for incandescent lights bulbs leave me scratching my head. LED light assemblies are nice until you have to replace one. I’d much rather spend a buck or two for a bulb, than have to spend potentially hundreds of dollars for an entire assembly all because one segment of LEDs went out. I guess it’s the way of the industry nowadays, but I don’t necessarily consider it a good thing.
Agreed!
So true. Modules can be 500 and up. Bulbs are cheap.
Fantastic ! 🌟
I've driven it. Maybe the best unibody/crossover around $40k
Can't have a drain because it's a removable piece to access the tire. Water would get between it and the actual floor or up from the road or a car wash.
There should be a way to route the drain water!
Good morning, Joe! Hope you have a great day, my friend.
one problem is cooling system is not that effective especially trany and rear diff,over heating light will flash if you give heavy throttle for little while and price also very heavy for an average American house hold.🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
That engine sound you hear is the famous j series vtech switch over,Joey 🙄🙄🙄 classic Honda sound
Even with off-road improvements 95% Passports will never see off-road activity. 🤔🤷🏼🙄😅😂🤣
Mode selection isnt new . Previous model had it
If it had a drain plug in the back storage space and if the rear wiper was put in its place under the rear roof spoiler, the rig would be perfect.
Why do car companies that make an off-road version of their SUVs ignore approach and departure angles and ground clearance? Subaru was smart enough to increase ground clearance and approach/departure angles in their Wilderness trims.
When you get mud on the vehicles you take out, do you have to clean them up ot the dealership
I don't why reviewers get upset when signal lights are not LED. The lights are not used that much so using regular bulbs is a smart decision.
Amazing review Joe.
Thanks man for ruining my day, and the entire weekend for that matter. The only thought my mind Is able to process now is that my engine cover looks like a trash can lid…🙄
Is there brake hold ?
Black Headliner -- Thank You!
TrailSport investment
GPS looks like monster truck madness 2
LOL That is freaking hilarious!
thoughts on passport vs rdx?
When they say leather seats..they really mean majority is pleather..and some leather added.
Bingo!
It’s called leatherette, fake leather
I find the Pilot too big for my needs and drives a bit like a boat. The Passport is the right size, drives a bit better, and has better gas mileage, but there is a class action lawsuit against Honda due to problems with the 9 transmission (actually from when the transmission was in the Pilot. It is still in the Passport). I understand Honda for the Passport in 2025 is going to switch to the 10 speed transmission, upgrade the interior some, and improve the bumpers. I say wait for the redesign in 2025 and then decide. Now if we could just get them to switch to a timing chain instead of a belt....Ok, I'm dreaming...
I'm so sad about the timing belt. I have a 2011 kia sorento now v6 and I LOVE it but sadly it has a very expensive repair that I can't justify. I was rushed to find a new vehicle, hate thrid row so i settled on the passport. I'm waiting on my trailsport to come in and have been researching, upset that it's not DOHC and no timing chain.
*third
I bought a 2020 Passport Elite new in February 2021 (now has 45,000 miles), and it's been a great vehicle. The one downside are the 20-inch wheels. I've been reluctant to take mine off-road because because of the lower profile tires and risk of damage. (I live in San Diego and enjoy being in the deserts east of here.)
One "zonk" on the 2024 Trailsport, IMHO, is the lack of recovery points built into the bumpers/frame, especially if they're going to market it as off-road capable.
Love this vehicle...not many people actually need a 7 seat SUV. I wish they would go hybrid with the powertrain or at least use the Pilot powertrain. This tells me that a complete update is coming soon.
They will go hybrid eventually. Unfortunately they will drop to 4 cylinder and lose 80 hp. Are you willing to make that sacrifice in loss of power to save some fuel?
Look at CRV if you want Hybrid.
These videos should be sent back to Honda
Good video ❤
I'll definitely wait for the Prologue. Looks way nicer. Although, I'm not sure what Honda's strategy is, partnering with GM, and then turning around and saying they WON'T be partnering them after the Prologue. What the heck is going on at Honda?
It really has me scratching my head!
They are building it with GM still. Thats only vehicle though.
Id ask “Whats going on at GM.”
What's the point in placing the Turn Signals down so low? Can't be seen in most traffic situations. Bad design IMHO. The engine still uses a timing belt. Something to think about if you plan on owning it for awhile.
That is a very good question!
thanks
Would have been a good SUV if it had a shifter. What is HOnda thinking????
I actually think the push button thing is kinda cool. I don't really pay attention to what vehicles offer until I'm looking for one and I didn't know push button was a thing until I looked at a passport!
I also say keck yea
🙋 Yes Joe, cooler would be nice.
And v6
How does this compare to the Ford Explorer? Need help. I'm debating..
Well it has two rows instead of 3.
The explorer will be a pile of junk after 100k miles where as the Honda will feel clean and tight all the way to 200k.
Gotta give it one giant zonk! Trailsport.......just because of tires? Come on Honda!
Yes...cooler please!
You got it !
Make it boxy and we’ll talk
No 10 speed love?
With an infotainment system like that, Honda has alot of nerve charging that much for this vehicle. Smh
Very niceeee
Problem is it can't complete with the Hyundai Santa Fe Calligraphy
I opted for a 4Runner instead.
I wouldn’t mind an SR5 premium, but where I live, the Toyota dealerships have lost their minds and they start off at $52K. Thinking of opting out for something like this Trailsport since I’ve seen some for under MSRP.
LTT water bottle!
Bro you almost cancelled for that 8 inch joke haha
I rather get the all new mazda cx70!
Wow that's a ridgeline front. 23 is way better. They screwed up big time
No it is not. It is an all wheel drive station wagon. For the money you can get a real 4wheel drive like a 4runner
💯💯💯🙏🙏🙏
Huh
Nawh to dated to buy new at 50K after taxes. A used one maybe but thats far as i would go.
You can get 5k off of these.
The “future” cars are so simple hurts to see…
Tell me about it