I actually had the privilege of sparring with Fr. Cekada a long time ago. Fr. Cekada rejected the 1955 Holy Week which was promulgated by a legitimate Pope, taking issue with their novelty and lack of scholarship. Yet Fr. Cekada had no issue accepting the breviary reform of Pius X in 1911 which was FAR worse. In fact, the breviary of Pius X threw out the entire Roman breviary with 1400 years of antiquity. Not to mention the elimination of practices so ancient that they unite us to our Eastern Orthodox brothers (eg. lauds ending with psalm 148-150). I hope you make a future episode on the breviary reforms!
Well, we are NOT united to the Eastern Orthodox and they are not our brothers if we are Catholic. They reject the revealed truth of the Filioque, which is in the ancient Apostles Creed, they reject the Primacy of Peter, they reject Our Holy Mother's Immaculate Conception, they don't hold the indisollubility of Holy Matrimony and there are many other things that make them heretics and schismatics. Catholics are not "brothers" with heretics. That is a Conciliar fabrication that we have "separated brethren". We have no fellowship with those who follow religions inspired by the devil. The Orthodox need to abjure their grievous errors and subject themselves to the Catholic Church.
@@PraytheRosaryEveryDay the Orthodox have maintained their liturgy and breviary and all of their traditions. Meanwhile, the Catholics have thrown out all their traditions beginning with Pius X’s breviary reform. Why is that?
For all the good St. Pius X did in combating modernism, I, too, find the raw exercise of papal authority he employed to eliminate entirely (not even allowing for its optional use!) the venerable Roman psalter from the Church's liturgy very, very troubling. There were certainly less radical ways to restore the practice of reciting all 150 psalms each week (e.g., pruning the post-Trent universal calendar of the plethora of saints that should have only been on local calendars but were given the rank of double universally to allow clergy to say the less lengthy festal Office in place of the ferial Office; reducing the secular priest's obligation to, say, one nocturne at Matins, Lauds, Prime, Vespers, Compline, and only one of the remaining little hours) than blowing up the psalter entirely by papal fiat. The precedent he set, while certainly not intentional on his part, led to the notion that the pope is the sole arbiter of liturgical tradition, and that it is his plaything to mold and shape to his heart's content. The Novus Ordo could only have been implemented by top-down authority; by all accounts, the vast majority of Catholics in the pews never asked for what we received in 1969.
@@devinbramel9546 the Eastern churches have no requirement to recite the divine office at all. In fact, the Coptic Divine office includes the full recitation of all 150 psalms. The Pope could simply have lowered the requirements to recite the entire office. In some ways, the traditions of the office are even more ancient than the Mass.
@@mosesking2923Rubbish. The notion that the Orthodox liturgy (let alone their beliefs: they caved on divorce, contraception and so on) has remained “virtually unchanged” is demonstrably false. Just look up “Old Believers” for starters.
Totally agree. Finally a podcast that sees while the world was blinded by the seed of the sinful révolution. Not normal what happened, with all these unfounded changes, rapid canonisation, loss of reverance through changes in most sacred: the catholic religion handed down directly to the apostles by our lord, studies and apologetics by the Church fathers, and the laxism in the respect of the 1st commandment which is the most important, loss of faith in the sacrements, especially the sacrement of confession, the Church let the world in, the two cannot be: you are with me or against me. You cannot be of the world and claim to love me: you cannot have 2 masters, for you will neglect one for the other.
"Saint" John XXIII? Really? Slim pickings for guests looks like. Not much interest in what these conservative NO types have to say. As for Fr. Cekada, may he rest in peace, I have no time for anything he had to say. I lived through the "split" when he and his pals broke their vows and betrayed their spiritual father, the saintly Archbishop Lefebvre.
It must be nice to be so self assured that you can snipe at a fellow Catholic over a detail about which NONE of us has authoritative knowledge (the validity of this or that canonization post-V2). I'm traditional, I love Abp. +Lefebvre and see a great light from the SSPX. But goodness... calling the guest, a very well known liturgist "slim pickings" because he said one thing you disagree with? That's insulting both to him and his host. And this other fellow accusing you of being a "hard-liner" and "cherry picking encyclicals"... I seriously wish people would see our mutual support and charity instead of our constant CONSTANT criticism of each other over useless things. Remember - this is a PUBLIC forum. Do those watching know we are Christians by our behavior? God bless you Stephen and God bless you Der Frosch. More light, less unnecessary heat.
46:00 Excellent point
Would have been super-helpful to have a power point type of presentation to SEE differences.
I actually had the privilege of sparring with Fr. Cekada a long time ago. Fr. Cekada rejected the 1955 Holy Week which was promulgated by a legitimate Pope, taking issue with their novelty and lack of scholarship. Yet Fr. Cekada had no issue accepting the breviary reform of Pius X in 1911 which was FAR worse. In fact, the breviary of Pius X threw out the entire Roman breviary with 1400 years of antiquity. Not to mention the elimination of practices so ancient that they unite us to our Eastern Orthodox brothers (eg. lauds ending with psalm 148-150). I hope you make a future episode on the breviary reforms!
Well, we are NOT united to the Eastern Orthodox and they are not our brothers if we are Catholic. They reject the revealed truth of the Filioque, which is in the ancient Apostles Creed, they reject the Primacy of Peter, they reject Our Holy Mother's Immaculate Conception, they don't hold the indisollubility of Holy Matrimony and there are many other things that make them heretics and schismatics. Catholics are not "brothers" with heretics. That is a Conciliar fabrication that we have "separated brethren". We have no fellowship with those who follow religions inspired by the devil. The Orthodox need to abjure their grievous errors and subject themselves to the Catholic Church.
@@PraytheRosaryEveryDay the Orthodox have maintained their liturgy and breviary and all of their traditions. Meanwhile, the Catholics have thrown out all their traditions beginning with Pius X’s breviary reform. Why is that?
For all the good St. Pius X did in combating modernism, I, too, find the raw exercise of papal authority he employed to eliminate entirely (not even allowing for its optional use!) the venerable Roman psalter from the Church's liturgy very, very troubling. There were certainly less radical ways to restore the practice of reciting all 150 psalms each week (e.g., pruning the post-Trent universal calendar of the plethora of saints that should have only been on local calendars but were given the rank of double universally to allow clergy to say the less lengthy festal Office in place of the ferial Office; reducing the secular priest's obligation to, say, one nocturne at Matins, Lauds, Prime, Vespers, Compline, and only one of the remaining little hours) than blowing up the psalter entirely by papal fiat. The precedent he set, while certainly not intentional on his part, led to the notion that the pope is the sole arbiter of liturgical tradition, and that it is his plaything to mold and shape to his heart's content. The Novus Ordo could only have been implemented by top-down authority; by all accounts, the vast majority of Catholics in the pews never asked for what we received in 1969.
@@devinbramel9546 the Eastern churches have no requirement to recite the divine office at all. In fact, the Coptic Divine office includes the full recitation of all 150 psalms. The Pope could simply have lowered the requirements to recite the entire office. In some ways, the traditions of the office are even more ancient than the Mass.
@@mosesking2923Rubbish. The notion that the Orthodox liturgy (let alone their beliefs: they caved on divorce, contraception and so on) has remained “virtually unchanged” is demonstrably false. Just look up “Old Believers” for starters.
Totally agree. Finally a podcast that sees while the world was blinded by the seed of the sinful révolution. Not normal what happened, with all these unfounded changes, rapid canonisation, loss of reverance through changes in most sacred: the catholic religion handed down directly to the apostles by our lord, studies and apologetics by the Church fathers, and the laxism in the respect of the 1st commandment which is the most important, loss of faith in the sacrements, especially the sacrement of confession, the Church let the world in, the two cannot be: you are with me or against me. You cannot be of the world and claim to love me: you cannot have 2 masters, for you will neglect one for the other.
Redo the series with Gregory yes?
Gregory was very engaging and enlightening. Would appreciate more of his take.
With a better microphone
The liturgy since 1955 is based on laziness of the episcopal community.
"Saint" John XXIII? Really? Slim pickings for guests looks like. Not much interest in what these conservative NO types have to say. As for Fr. Cekada, may he rest in peace, I have no time for anything he had to say. I lived through the "split" when he and his pals broke their vows and betrayed their spiritual father, the saintly Archbishop Lefebvre.
It must be nice to be so self assured that you can snipe at a fellow Catholic over a detail about which NONE of us has authoritative knowledge (the validity of this or that canonization post-V2). I'm traditional, I love Abp. +Lefebvre and see a great light from the SSPX. But goodness... calling the guest, a very well known liturgist "slim pickings" because he said one thing you disagree with? That's insulting both to him and his host. And this other fellow accusing you of being a "hard-liner" and "cherry picking encyclicals"... I seriously wish people would see our mutual support and charity instead of our constant CONSTANT criticism of each other over useless things. Remember - this is a PUBLIC forum. Do those watching know we are Christians by our behavior? God bless you Stephen and God bless you Der Frosch. More light, less unnecessary heat.
I am definitely screen-shotting and saving forever the comment that calls me a “conservative NO type”! 😁 My reputation fails to precede me...
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