"Only if you doubted your ability, right, and responsibility to create your own happiness would you attempt to secure it through the looting of others." Hope you don't mind if I quote that eloquent statement.
I purcfased this DVD as soon as it was available. Both of these actors were great. I play it over and over again because of the acting and the role both stars exhibit with such a great sense of integrity. Sorry they don't make movies like this anymore. I remember when her child was severely injured in Manhattan. As a result I always ask mothers or caretakers to please keep the strollers on the sidewalk until taffic has stopped..God Bless her and may she rest in peace. Pat Sumner RN BS
The highest tribute to Ayn Rand, is that her critics must distort everything she stood for in order to attack her. She advocated reason, not force; the individual’s rights to freedom of action, speech, and association; self-responsibility, NOT self-indulgence; and a live-and-let-live society in which each individual is treated as an END, not the MEANS of others’ ends. How many critics would dare honestly state these ideas and say, ” . . .and that’s what I reject”?
@@michaelgarcia2024 ...and she had explained the relevant principle 15 years earlier in her newsletter. It's almost funny how people think a woman who shook the world up and is hated for attacking our society's sacred cows can be dismissed without argument by an appeal to the very framework she shattered.
Very well stated. Amen. It’s like they don’t agree with the idea that they should live their life how they want. Look at our world now: it’s the way it is because people see others as a crutch instead of being responsible for themselves.
I just find it interesting that Gary Cooper is starring in this film, and while I had never heard of it before now (only that its title was a novel written by Ayn Rand), while reading Atlas Shrugged, I could see clearly in my mind the role of Hank Reardon being played by Gary Cooper, and that its as though it had been a role written FOR him. No other character in Atlas Shrugged seems beg to be identified like that, although now that I've seen this, I can see how Patricia Neal as Dagny Taggart.
IIRC, Rand's first choices for Dominique were Greta Garbo and Barbara Stanwyck. I see Hank Rearden as more steely, more of an Ed Harris type. Sadly Cooper was out of his depth in this role. Oh and Dagny--I don't think you'd go wrong taking Farrah Fawcett as the physical type, Rand went out of her way to tell her that she thought she should play Dagny. Oh and welcome to 12 years later!
Very funny scene in both the movie and the novel. She was expecting Howard Roark (who knew it) and he sent Pasquale Orsini instead! Who says Ayn Rand didn't have a sense of humor!
By the way, I looked up some vitals on this film, and apparently the music was scored by Max Steiner, who also scored Gone with the Wind, and a number of great films from the 30's & 40's (my favorites of which are King Kong, Top Hat, GWTW, Sergeant York, Arsenic and Old Lace, and Casablanca).
Yeah thats right... a disciplinarian is totally self-controlled, but she was just the opposite. Rourke was totally in self-control teaching her lessons.
The only thing notable about this wretched film from a wretched book by a wretched author is the fact Cooper and Neal embarked on a romance despite the fact he was married. He actually separated from his wife, but in the end, he went back to the wife and daughter. Neal went on to marry weirdo author Roald Dahl, had five kids, had to endure two tragedies involving her children, recovered from a near-fatal stroke, and got dumped by Dahl. The strange thing about all of it is Dahl met Cooper's daughter Maria many years later, and Maria said to Neal she and her mother forgave her over Neal's affair with her dad. Neal actually got to visit Cooper's widow, who later got remarried to a famous heart surgeon, and the woman completely forgave her. Neal became close to Maria and Maria was instrumental in getting Neal in touch with a close friend of her's, Mother Dolores (formerly actress Dolores Hart) of the Benedictine Abbey of Regina Laudis in Connecticut. Neal was heavily involved with the abbey, helping to set up a theater there and writing her autobiography there. She wanted to be buried at the abbey, but it was only until near the end of her life she converted to Roman Catholicism. She is buried there.
Prior scenes she holds back confession of her obvious interest. Later, she schemes to lure him back to a sexually charged moment she dominates. He refuses to be dominated by anyone. He sends in his place a man his polar opposite, a complete rejection of her control which she sees as him scorning her love. At 2:10 she gives into desire and kisses him. The scene is about her anger at being scorned by him, her frustration and fear of giving into her desire. Women do not desire to be with...
The powerplay between Roark and Dominique is just too ridiculous. Every time she tries to dominate him, he teaches her a lesson she won't forget... finally ending with her sitting at his feed making her love confession. - I like the rest of the film very much
Can you believe the woman who wrote this never had children, had an affair with a much younger man with her husband's permission, smoked like a chimney and wrote the screenplay for this movie later saying it was the worst film she'd ever seen?
When the heck are they gonna remake THIS film? This is my favorite book and this movie feels dated not timeless like the book! I think Ralph Fiennes should be Howard Roark he has the perfect face. I see Charlize Theron playing Dominique, Maggie Gyllenhaal playing Katie Halsey and Ben Kingsley playing Ellsworth Toohey. I guess Ashton Kutcher or Keanu Reeves can play Keating.
to be with their rapists. The concept is designed and repeated to prevent non-thinking people from watching the movie or considering the anti-collectivist concepts. He shows up at the apartment to face her desire under his terms, not hers. She is not running from him, but from fear and shame at giving into love for any man. Collectivists hate this movie. Watch it, It won't injure you. There are other emotions and thoughts in the scene being depicted. My words are merely a simple overview.
After me too, these kind extreme sexual forces unleashed between man and woman in a erotic game of dominance and submission, are impossible. The feminists destroyed human sexuality, its raw Power and fierceness. It is gone.
Patricia and Gary began seeing a LOT of each other in private during the film's production schedule. She wanted to marry him- but he wouldn't divorce his wife.
A strong, spoilt beautiful girl who meets her match in Roarke . Her Machiavellian schemes to satisfy her strong sexual attraction backfires. Roarke will have her on his terms. The 'rape' scene isn't about physical satisfaction but male domination. She cries, not through fear, but through self loathing and anger -she knows what will happen was, from the first time they saw each other , inevitable!
"i mean how the hell will john galts speech be in a movie." Probably...the way they did Roark's speech? Cover the essential points, while cutting to the different characters' reactions....
I have thought that today's liberalism (which is nothing like what liberalism was just 40 years ago) was the abolition of emancipation before I had read anything by Ayn Rand. It only stands to reason that if the state can dictate how much one can earn through taxation and wealth redistribution, that all that is is destruction of universal freedoms and the subsidization of poverty. Rand's ideas regarding individual freedom and liberty pretty much validates what I've thought for years.
@aVeryStylishGirl2 I agree with you--for the most part. I'm familiar with JuanMacready. He's one of an odd breed of trolls that enjoys spouting hate on classic actors. I don't think it has anything to do with his education level. There are trolls of all ages. And before you ask--yes, I am 17 and sticking up for myself. I'm not college-educated, but I'm not ignorant either. Gary Cooper happens to be one of my favorite actors, and I didn't exactly take kindly towards Juan's remarks about him.
Good perspective -- I love that quote (I think you've got it right on). Though I've long wondered if he wanted to say that anyone over 40 who isn't a conservative ALSO doesn't have a heart. The reason I'm a conservative (I'm over 40) is because I maintain my sense of empathy -- I weap for the enslavement that liberalism feeds on.
Wow, you are so right. I get pleasure when I give so I am altruistic because of the pleasure I gain. I don't get any from the looters that takes from me to and grant largess in the name of governement.
your missing the point logicalempricist, She broke the stone to get him up there, she was a rich kind of spoiled young Aires ,She wanted him to set the stone so she could lure him into her arms,Remember she broke it on purpose. She'd always gotten her way, but it wasn't proper to love a lowly rock builder, she couldn't tell him her real feelings , she wanted to lure him up to her apartment she 'd been waiting all day ,he figured out she wanted him and wasn't going to be manipulated by her. So he beat her at her own game, showing her he wasn't the type of man to be controlled by anyone. She was pissed ,he didn't fall for it, and being a man of the 50's he had to come to her on his terms , not hers.He had integrity , he couldn't be bought for money, he wouldn't work for anyone who would t alter his new original designs, and he wasn't going to be controlled by a woman. Good for him, men should never let woman control them. I think some woman can lose respect for a man if she can control him. I know I would. It isn't natural , men were made to be masculine, and woman were made to be feminine, viva la difference. it doesn't make them less than. I really think we lost something when woman lib came along and started demasculizing men. I love it when a man opens a door for me, girls thats your fault, you said you wanted to do everything a man could, now a man wont even give up his seat for a lady on subway. Even Jesus was one of the first men to honor and respect woman. We play different roles in a household , the man is the head, but the woman is the heart, both equally important roles , Thats why I found myself a nice Roman Catholic man, believe me girls if you're looking for a good man,,that will make a commitment , seek out and marry a catholic guy they've been taught from the time they were boys to respect woman and they do if they are truly walking their faith daily. They love the blessed mother, who raised Jesus mostly by herself. The Roman Catholic church calls Mary Madeleine "the apostle of the apostles , Jesus spent much time with her and respected her opinion. He didn't look at her deeds, he looked at her heart, He knew how many men had mistreated her, so he treated her with the utmost respect, he knew how intelligent she was and I think He also knew how devoted she would be to him, because no other man had ever been so tender and respectful of her. I'd venture to say besides his Mother, he wanted to hear a woman perspective on some things. I talked to an old pastor once who said how different things were today, before a man had sex with a woman he got to know everything about her, so when they finally did make love they had an intimacy beyond anything physical, because they had already developed a verbal intimacy, and why is that so important? Number one it shows respect for a woman, and if you're going to marry this man and grow old with him, sometimes, (due to illness or other circumstances )there may come a time when sex will not be a regular part of your marriage thats when you know your, e really in love , because you develop a new stronger kind of intimacy that can only come with time , loving each other just the way you are, and communicating. During the last 5 years due to health issues my husband and I haven't been able to be close physically, but my feelings and love have not changed for him, we have dis covered a new and deeper intimacy that stems from God and the very precious love we have for each other that come from deep within our souls. We just celebrated our 20th anniversary in july, and I still sometimes get butterflies in my tummy when I see him walk through the door. We went thru some pretty hard times, but we stuck together and worked it out. there are so many marriages that end simply because they didn't want to compromise, or talk it out or go to a therapist for one session, you'd be surprised how easily some things can work out if you just sit down and listen to the other persons perspective. Most peoples anger has nothing to do with you. and many times fear is the flip side of anger. It saddens me to know that we are now in the minority, when 55 years ago people were rarely divorced. People today think they love each other because of a strong physical attraction, but that will never enough to sustain a marriage. Get to know each other first, before you give your scared body to another human being. And always meet his family before you say yes, 9 times out of ten the way he treats his mom is the way he's going to treat you. Marriage is for life , we all want the perfect soul mate, but if you would just take one year, don't have sex together , at the end of that year you'll really know if this person is really the one. You won't regret taking the time, because people often put their best foot forward the first few months, but after 6 months they're guard goes down and then you will know if he or she is really worth it. I love this country, and i pray all the time people will take more time before they marry. Put God first in your life, He is in charge of relationships, he has the perfect guy/girl out there for you. But how can he send you Mr right if spending time with Mr wrong. I only share this because I speak from experience, I can't tell you how many of my young years I spent living with men who were not worthy of my love. It wasn't until I stopped looking and completely surrendered my life to God/Jesus. that He sent the perfect man in my life. I kept dating these guys because I was lonely , convincing myself they were something they weren't. The last straw was when a guy i loved called off the wedding 3 days before it happened. I thought I was going to die. I was 40 yrs old, not too bad looking, intelligent, charming and creative , so why did I keep attracting the wrong guys. After we broke up I cryed out to God, what do want from me i said, I have loved you and been a faithful servent, you know I want a husband yet you have not sent him to me. Why ? I shook my fist at God, and He answered me , never ask God to answer a prayer if you are not going to accept his answer on His terms. some of you have been walking with God for some time now and you know the difference bewteen, your thoughts and His. Ive never heard Gods audible reply, but i knew when He was talking to me, because his voice is always simple, it is always the truth, and many times its not the answer I wanted. He said" I want you to give up everything and put me first', I said" Does that include men? He said" especially men. Then he reminded me of a passage in Mathew, my grandmother used to say I think its verse 38:11 "Seek first the kingdom of God, and all will be added unto you". So I surrendered I stopped looking, and if any guy wanted to date me Id tell him straight up, no sex unless we decide to marry. That got rid of 95% of them. During this time alone with God was incredibly painful, and I ask myself, why am I so desperately lonely, and afraid to be lone at night. I had used men to cover up my feelings, but now I couldn't do that, I told God, what ever your will is , no matter how painful , I will do it. I started to realize my loneliness wasn't normal, I d know other single folks and they were reasonably happy people. As I sat in my room without a main for the first time in 20 years, I ask God to show me why I was so lonely and so scared. he took me back to my childhood and helped me remember something, Id blocked out. My mom worked nights , and my step dad worked days/ My step dad was a very abusisive, sadistic man, in front of mom he was nice. but when she left, he became a monster. I won't go into the details, but thats whan I realized why I was so afraid to be alone, and the reason I was desperately lonely was because, I had no tender father to protect me, and a mom that when she wasn't working , she was drinking. I felt like a hugh weight had been lifted off my shoulders. God measured me, He would never abandon me I measured myself, that i was no longer a little girl victim to the whims of an abusive step father. thoughs feeling s didn't serve me anymore, but I had to l BE STILL, AND LISTEN. I realized then when I prayed even if I didn't like what God wanted me to do, He said if we are obedient, and cannot stop doing something we know is disruptive to ourselves He will always provide a way out, and he did. I felt fulfilled, I woke up each morn and said ok God, whats on the agenda.? I felt an incredible sense of freedom. I knew God put the desire in my heat to be loved completely and appreciated by a good man, but if it wasn't His will that was ok too. I began to be very picky about the company I chose. I was still lonely, but I can honestly say I ve never felt so close to God since then. I told God I was going to write a list of all the qualities I wanted in a man and put it under my pillow(as if He didn't already know) I m sure He's still laughing about that one. 6 months later I was picking my daughter up at a friends house, and she introduced me to her father. He was a single dad and girls if your a single mom , don't hesitate to date a single dad, because he s already used to kids, and that can be a real bonus. He looked like kind of nerdy guy to me, but never be fooled, don't ever pic the handsomest guy in the room, he might be too full of him self. Use your woman intuition and see the diamond in the ruff. For example: This is how my husband looked when I first met him. He was kind of hunched over from the last 3 relationships of woman who because he's a gentle man had dominated him, He combed his hair with bangs in front covering up his crystal green eyes, the clothes he wore were from the 60"S in a baby poop yellow dominated wardrobe which completely washed out his light completion. A week after we met he invited me for coffee. then dinner and the rest is history. He was everything I asked for on my list plus 10 other things humbling me to remember that God knows me better than I know myself. But the happy ending almost didn't happen. One month after we were engaged his ex wife came back into town and tried to split us up. I was ready to leave him, but he ask me if Id meet his family first. When we got there all his family was there 3 bro, one sis, his dad, and a few cousins . I told his sister in law he was seeing his ex wife again and I was planning to leave him , because I didn't think he was going to stop seeing her. I reminded him how many times she had sone this to him and once she got rid of me, shed leave him again, and I might just be gone, but it was his choice. Well none of his family liked his ex wife ,and they were very nice people, but they loved my husband and didn't want to see him go back to her. so both sister in laws approach ed me from the side and said, we don't want you to go. and we guarantee if you marry him this weekend, he will be faithful to you. So every body talked to every body, long story short we got married in one weekend, and thats a story for another time. because the amount of coincidences that happened that weekend were just too many to count. My husband isn't a dominate man he's a masculine man and I have to say I wouldn't mind it at all if he chased me around the room and kissed me like that sometime, might be great foreplay. besides all that (with the exception of "the hanging tree" )with Gary Cooper and Carl Maldan, I think this was one of Gary coopers and Patricia o'neals best role together, Cooper protested when they told him O'neal was playing his leading lady , but somewhere along the line they fell in love while the movie was being made and had a 3 year romance. Patricia O'neal was only 22 years old in this movie. This movie kind of reminds me of the song" theres a thin line between love and hate" Incidentally if you've never seen the hanging tree, you've missed out. Look up the theme song , its really done well, almost as good as "a long hot summer. Love Jimme Rogers, what a voice.
Bale does better with bad or screwed up caracters. Have you seen his Batman? It stunk on ice. Even though I don't like Clooney, I think he's the only moviestar today who could do a good Roark.
I actually didn't realize it was supposed to be funny, I thought she was just trying to frustrate Roark. The rape scene was a bit more graphic in the book. I made a parody of the book just to amuse myself, I haven't seen the movie yet. ua-cam.com/video/GHWKVS6wP1s/v-deo.html
Dominique should have gone for Pasquale Orsini and become the wife of an academic who, according to his Wikipedia page, "is an Italian paleographer, librarian, and Professor from Università di Catania-Siracusa."
angelina jolie (who is perfect) is confirmed to play dagny if atlas is indeed to be made which i doubt. i mean how the hell will john galts speech be in a movie.
I disagree. Women such as Katherine Hepburn, Lauren Bacall, Ingrid Bergman and Bette Davis played far stronger female leads than most that you will see today. This movie does not represent its time.
They should remake this movie and have Roark work for Donald Trump, and he is mad because Trump changed the design of the tower he designed so be blows up Trump Tower - while it is full of guests... You should know that this movie is pro-terrorism.
Methinks you protest too much for a genuinely curious person ie: one who possesses an inquiring bent of mind - if you were sincere you could only find praise for the ideas/concepts that Miss Rand developed and articulated so well.
My favorite scene (besides Roark's speech) in my favorite movie and my favorite book. The sexiest two actors too. Can watch this 100000 times.
Greatest "First Kiss" scene in all Cinema!
"Only if you doubted your ability, right, and responsibility to create your own happiness would you attempt to secure it through the looting of others."
Hope you don't mind if I quote that eloquent statement.
Gary Cooper had big hands! That's all I'm going to say.
I purcfased this DVD as soon as it was available. Both of these actors were great. I play it over and over again because of the acting and the role both stars exhibit with such a great sense of integrity. Sorry they don't make movies like this anymore. I remember when her child was severely injured in Manhattan. As a result I always ask mothers or caretakers to please keep the strollers on the sidewalk until taffic has stopped..God Bless her and may she rest in peace. Pat Sumner RN BS
This clip seems to have every old-movie cliche possible! Wonderful.
The highest tribute to Ayn Rand, is that her critics must distort
everything she stood for in order to attack her. She advocated reason,
not force; the individual’s rights to freedom of action, speech, and
association; self-responsibility, NOT self-indulgence; and a
live-and-let-live society in which each individual is treated as an
END, not the MEANS of others’ ends. How many critics would dare
honestly state these ideas and say, ” . . .and that’s what I reject”?
She died with a welfare check in her mailbox. Now, what do you say?
@@michaelgarcia2024 She paid taxes.
@@michaelgarcia2024 ...and she had explained the relevant principle 15 years earlier in her newsletter. It's almost funny how people think a woman who shook the world up and is hated for attacking our society's sacred cows can be dismissed without argument by an appeal to the very framework she shattered.
Very well stated. Amen. It’s like they don’t agree with the idea that they should live their life how they want. Look at our world now: it’s the way it is because people see others as a crutch instead of being responsible for themselves.
Neal & Cooper were long time lovers.
As I said elsewhere . . . brainy, accomplished overachievers burning with unbridled PASSION!
Two of the greatest of all time
I met Patricia in Nebraska (of all places) over the summer. She is STILL fabulous at 80 something - a real lady. :)
I think Cooper was the right actor to play Roark. The character and his background have a similarity.
I just find it interesting that Gary Cooper is starring in this film, and while I had never heard of it before now (only that its title was a novel written by Ayn Rand), while reading Atlas Shrugged, I could see clearly in my mind the role of Hank Reardon being played by Gary Cooper, and that its as though it had been a role written FOR him. No other character in Atlas Shrugged seems beg to be identified like that, although now that I've seen this, I can see how Patricia Neal as Dagny Taggart.
IIRC, Rand's first choices for Dominique were Greta Garbo and Barbara Stanwyck. I see Hank Rearden as more steely, more of an Ed Harris type. Sadly Cooper was out of his depth in this role. Oh and Dagny--I don't think you'd go wrong taking Farrah Fawcett as the physical type, Rand went out of her way to tell her that she thought she should play Dagny. Oh and welcome to 12 years later!
40 years ago. I must be an old man because "I can remember it like it was yesterday." What say we all re-read Animal Farm. I continue to weep.
Very funny scene in both the movie and the novel. She was expecting Howard Roark (who knew it) and he sent Pasquale Orsini instead! Who says Ayn Rand didn't have a sense of humor!
This "quarry" is said to be in Connecticut but that place's geography looks really close to the rolling hills of central California.
By the way, I looked up some vitals on this film, and apparently the music was scored by Max Steiner, who also scored Gone with the Wind, and a number of great films from the 30's & 40's (my favorites of which are King Kong, Top Hat, GWTW, Sergeant York, Arsenic and Old Lace, and Casablanca).
Yeah thats right... a disciplinarian is totally self-controlled, but she was just the opposite. Rourke was totally in self-control teaching her lessons.
I loved Gary Cooper!!!!!
R.I.P. Beautiful.
The only thing notable about this wretched film from a wretched book by a wretched author is the fact Cooper and Neal embarked on a romance despite the fact he was married. He actually separated from his wife, but in the end, he went back to the wife and daughter. Neal went on to marry weirdo author Roald Dahl, had five kids, had to endure two tragedies involving her children, recovered from a near-fatal stroke, and got dumped by Dahl. The strange thing about all of it is Dahl met Cooper's daughter Maria many years later, and Maria said to Neal she and her mother forgave her over Neal's affair with her dad. Neal actually got to visit Cooper's widow, who later got remarried to a famous heart surgeon, and the woman completely forgave her. Neal became close to Maria and Maria was instrumental in getting Neal in touch with a close friend of her's, Mother Dolores (formerly actress Dolores Hart) of the Benedictine Abbey of Regina Laudis in Connecticut. Neal was heavily involved with the abbey, helping to set up a theater there and writing her autobiography there. She wanted to be buried at the abbey, but it was only until near the end of her life she converted to Roman Catholicism. She is buried there.
Prior scenes she holds back confession of her obvious interest. Later, she schemes to lure him back to a sexually charged moment she dominates. He refuses to be dominated by anyone. He sends in his place a man his polar opposite, a complete rejection of her control which she sees as him scorning her love. At 2:10 she gives into desire and kisses him. The scene is about her anger at being scorned by him, her frustration and fear of giving into her desire. Women do not desire to be with...
When I watched this scene, I gasped. I couldn't believe she hit him on his face, hated that. That should've been a deal breaker.
This is one of the greatest gift of Ayn Rand: Find you a girl, that doesn't have to be persuaded-- by all.
The powerplay between Roark and Dominique is just too ridiculous. Every time she tries to dominate him, he teaches her a lesson she won't forget... finally ending with her sitting at his feed making her love confession. - I like the rest of the film very much
Bravo... Bravo... Bravo!
Mrs. Neal born Jan 20 1926 Happy birthday dear lady
Howard Roark laughed.
Then there was only the ocean and the sky and the figure of Howard Roark.
- AR, The Fountainhead (1943), first and last lines
hey Im 16 and I know that patricia neal was a wonderfull actress :)
now you are 22
She's always falling over.
Man, when I read this part the music was a bit different
Rand could have been a Soviet agent AFAIC. Since when is there virtuous individualism in throwing someone on the bed and forcing oneself upon them?
R. I . P Patricia Neal.
One of the best kiss!!!! A real kiss, pure erotism
Thanks sir 🙏......
PATRICIA NEAL.
Can you believe the woman who wrote this never had children, had an affair with a much younger man with her husband's permission, smoked like a chimney and wrote the screenplay for this movie later saying it was the worst film she'd ever seen?
No you really can't improve on garbage. I mean didn't The Carpetbaggers make a great movie. It's the same style, same absurd plot,
Yes, I can believe it.
She was an interesting woman.
@@geraldstephens6612 a self centered nut who believed the medical report linking cigarettes with cancer was a communist misinformation.
A critic described it as the funniest picture of 1949.
That would be a great idea. HBO would do a terrific job I think.
When the heck are they gonna remake THIS film? This is my favorite book and this movie feels dated not timeless like the book! I think Ralph Fiennes should be Howard Roark he has the perfect face. I see Charlize Theron playing Dominique, Maggie Gyllenhaal playing Katie Halsey and Ben Kingsley playing Ellsworth Toohey. I guess Ashton Kutcher or Keanu Reeves can play Keating.
Too old
My husband has said that he would love to see Hugh Laurie in the role of Wynand.
They'd ruin it
to be with their rapists. The concept is designed and repeated to prevent non-thinking people from watching the movie or considering the anti-collectivist concepts. He shows up at the apartment to face her desire under his terms, not hers. She is not running from him, but from fear and shame at giving into love for any man. Collectivists hate this movie. Watch it, It won't injure you. There are other emotions and thoughts in the scene being depicted. My words are merely a simple overview.
RadicalRC Collectivist? You mean like the Tea Baggers?
After me too, these kind extreme sexual forces unleashed between man and woman in a erotic game of dominance and submission, are impossible. The feminists destroyed human sexuality, its raw Power and fierceness. It is gone.
Voice Of The Firmament Human sexuality will come back. It always does. “Times change, people don’t.” - Leo Tolstoy.
That FU moment at 1:18! LOL!!!!!
Patricia and Gary began seeing a LOT of each other in private during the film's production schedule. She wanted to marry him- but he wouldn't divorce his wife.
A strong, spoilt beautiful girl who meets her match in Roarke . Her Machiavellian schemes to satisfy her strong sexual attraction backfires. Roarke will have her on his terms. The 'rape' scene isn't about physical satisfaction but male domination. She cries, not through fear, but through self loathing and anger -she knows what will happen was, from the first time they saw each other , inevitable!
"i mean how the hell will john galts speech be in a movie."
Probably...the way they did Roark's speech?
Cover the essential points, while cutting to the different characters' reactions....
Who is greater? Howard Roark or Chuck Norris?
Also, Ayn Rand is reminding me to revisit the culture that came out of Russia in the 20th century.
How many times did she smack somebody
rip p. neal-
I have thought that today's liberalism (which is nothing like what liberalism was just 40 years ago) was the abolition of emancipation before I had read anything by Ayn Rand. It only stands to reason that if the state can dictate how much one can earn through taxation and wealth redistribution, that all that is is destruction of universal freedoms and the subsidization of poverty. Rand's ideas regarding individual freedom and liberty pretty much validates what I've thought for years.
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She's got it bad
Well it won several oscars, and was loved by the critics, so I think you're totally wrong!
Is this the same Patricia Neal that would later star in the Waltons pilot and play the dying mother in Little House on the Prairie?
+mella mell ofc
+keimo2007 ofc = of fucking course?
think kevin spacey ,anjelina and russell crowe
@aVeryStylishGirl2 I agree with you--for the most part. I'm familiar with JuanMacready. He's one of an odd breed of trolls that enjoys spouting hate on classic actors. I don't think it has anything to do with his education level. There are trolls of all ages.
And before you ask--yes, I am 17 and sticking up for myself. I'm not college-educated, but I'm not ignorant either. Gary Cooper happens to be one of my favorite actors, and I didn't exactly take kindly towards Juan's remarks about him.
Good perspective -- I love that quote (I think you've got it right on). Though I've long wondered if he wanted to say that anyone over 40 who isn't a conservative ALSO doesn't have a heart. The reason I'm a conservative (I'm over 40) is because I maintain my sense of empathy -- I weap for the enslavement that liberalism feeds on.
I was thinking Michael Moore for TOohey haha
That's not my idea of Dominque Francon... but oh, well...
Forever. The last president ?
Howard Roark? How about Hugh Jackman?
Wolverine's got a bit of an individualist streak... :-)))
btw: Gene Hackman as Henry Cameron would be brilliant.
They are extremyly modern, in my imagination. The perfect Dominique would be Wendy Whelan.
Wow, you are so right. I get pleasure when I give so I am altruistic because of the pleasure I gain. I don't get any from the looters that takes from me to and grant largess in the name of governement.
AR is a secular God.
your missing the point logicalempricist,
She broke the stone to get him up there, she was a rich kind of spoiled young Aires ,She wanted him to set the stone so she could lure him into her arms,Remember she broke it on purpose. She'd always gotten her way, but it wasn't proper to love a lowly rock builder, she couldn't tell him her real feelings , she wanted to lure him up to her apartment she 'd been waiting all day ,he figured out she wanted him and wasn't going to be manipulated by her. So he beat her at her own game, showing her he wasn't the type of man to be controlled by anyone.
She was pissed ,he didn't fall for it, and being a man of the 50's he had to come to her on his terms , not hers.He had integrity , he couldn't be bought for money, he wouldn't work for anyone who would t alter his new original designs, and he wasn't going to be controlled by a woman.
Good for him, men should never let woman control them.
I think some woman can lose respect for a man if she can control him. I know I would. It isn't natural , men were made to be masculine, and woman were made to be feminine, viva la difference. it doesn't make them less than. I really think we lost something when woman lib came along and started demasculizing men. I love it when a man opens a door for me, girls thats your fault, you said you wanted to do everything a man could, now a man wont even give up his seat for a lady on subway. Even Jesus was one of the first men to honor and respect woman.
We play different roles in a household , the man is the head, but the woman is the heart, both equally important roles , Thats why I found myself a nice Roman Catholic man, believe me girls if you're looking for a good man,,that will make a commitment , seek out and marry a catholic guy they've been taught from the time they were boys to respect woman and they do if they are truly walking their faith daily. They love the blessed mother, who raised Jesus mostly by herself. The Roman Catholic church calls Mary Madeleine "the apostle of the apostles , Jesus spent much time with her and respected her opinion. He didn't look at her deeds, he looked at her heart,
He knew how many men had mistreated her, so he treated her with the utmost respect, he knew how intelligent she was and I think He also knew how devoted she would be to him, because no other man had ever been so tender and respectful of her. I'd venture to say besides his Mother, he wanted to hear a woman perspective on some things. I talked to an old pastor once who said how different things were today, before a man had sex with a woman he got to know everything about her, so when they finally did make love they had an intimacy beyond anything physical, because they had already developed a verbal intimacy, and why is that so important?
Number one it shows respect for a woman, and if you're going to marry this man and grow old with him, sometimes, (due to illness or other circumstances )there may come a time when sex will not be a regular part of your marriage thats when you know your, e really in love , because you develop a new stronger kind of intimacy that can only come with time , loving each other just the way you are, and communicating.
During the last 5 years due to health issues my husband and I haven't been able to be close physically, but my feelings and love have not changed for him, we have dis covered a new and deeper intimacy that stems from God and the very precious love we have for each other that come from deep within our souls.
We just celebrated our 20th anniversary in july, and I still sometimes get butterflies in my tummy when I see him walk through the door. We went thru some pretty hard times, but we stuck together and worked it out. there are so many marriages that end simply because they didn't want to compromise, or talk it out or go to a therapist for one session, you'd be surprised how easily some things can work out if you just sit down and listen to the other persons perspective. Most peoples anger has nothing to do with you. and many times fear is the flip side of anger. It saddens me to know that we are now in the minority, when 55 years ago people were rarely divorced. People today think they love each other because of a strong physical attraction, but that will never enough to sustain a marriage. Get to know each other first, before you give your scared body to another human being. And always meet his family before you say yes, 9 times out of ten the way he treats his mom is the way he's going to treat you. Marriage is for life , we all want the perfect soul mate, but if you would just take one year, don't have sex together , at the end of that year you'll really know if this person is really the one. You won't regret taking the time, because people often put their best foot forward the first few months, but after 6 months they're guard goes down and then you will know if he or she is really worth it. I love this country, and i pray all the time people will take more time before they marry. Put God first in your life, He is in charge of relationships, he has the perfect guy/girl out there for you. But how can he send you Mr right if spending time with Mr wrong. I only share this because I speak from experience, I can't tell you how many of my young years I spent living with men who were not worthy of my love. It wasn't until I stopped looking and completely surrendered my life to God/Jesus. that He sent the perfect man in my life. I kept dating these guys because I was lonely , convincing myself they were something they weren't. The last straw was when a guy i loved called off the wedding 3 days before it happened. I thought I was going to die. I was 40 yrs old, not too bad looking, intelligent, charming and creative , so why did I keep attracting the wrong guys. After we broke up I cryed out to God, what do want from me i said, I have loved you and been a faithful servent, you know I want a husband yet you have not sent him to me. Why ? I shook my fist at God, and He answered me , never ask God to answer a prayer if you are not going to accept his answer on His terms. some of you have been walking with God for some time now and you know the difference bewteen, your thoughts and His. Ive never heard Gods audible reply, but i knew when He was talking to me, because his voice is always simple, it is always the truth, and many times its not the answer I wanted. He said" I want you to give up everything and put me first', I said" Does that include men? He said" especially men. Then he reminded me of a passage in Mathew, my grandmother used to say I think its verse 38:11
"Seek first the kingdom of God, and all will be added unto you". So I surrendered I stopped looking, and if any guy wanted to date me Id tell him straight up, no sex unless we decide to marry. That got rid of 95% of them. During this time alone with God was incredibly painful, and I ask myself, why am I so desperately lonely, and afraid to be lone at night. I had used men to cover up my feelings, but now I couldn't do that, I told God, what ever your will is , no matter how painful , I will do it. I started to realize my loneliness wasn't normal, I d know other single folks and they were reasonably happy people. As I sat in my room without a main for the first time in 20 years, I ask God to show me why I was so lonely and so scared. he took me back to my childhood and helped me remember something, Id blocked out. My mom worked nights , and my step dad worked days/ My step dad was a very abusisive, sadistic man, in front of mom he was nice. but when she left, he became a monster. I won't go into the details, but thats whan I realized why I was so afraid to be alone, and the reason I was desperately lonely was because, I had no tender father to protect me, and a mom that when she wasn't working , she was drinking. I felt like a hugh weight had been lifted off my shoulders. God measured me, He would never abandon me I measured myself, that i was no longer a little girl victim to the whims of an abusive step father. thoughs feeling s didn't serve me anymore, but I had to l
BE STILL, AND LISTEN. I realized then when I prayed even if I didn't like what God wanted me to do, He said if we are obedient, and cannot stop doing something we know is disruptive to ourselves He will always provide a way out, and he did. I felt fulfilled, I woke up each morn and said ok God, whats on the agenda.? I felt an incredible sense of freedom. I knew God put the desire in my heat to be loved completely and appreciated by a good man, but if it wasn't His will that was ok too. I began to be very picky about the company I chose. I was still lonely, but I can honestly say I ve never felt so close to God since then. I told God I was going to write a list of all the qualities I wanted in a man and put it under my pillow(as if He didn't already know) I m sure He's still laughing about that one. 6 months later I was picking my daughter up at a friends house, and she introduced me to her father. He was a single dad and girls if your a single mom , don't hesitate to date a single dad, because he s already used to kids, and that can be a real bonus. He looked like kind of nerdy guy to me, but never be fooled, don't ever pic the handsomest guy in the room, he might be too full of him self. Use your woman intuition and see the diamond in the ruff.
For example: This is how my husband looked when I first met him. He was kind of hunched over from the last 3 relationships of woman who because he's a gentle man had dominated him, He combed his hair with bangs in front covering up his crystal green eyes, the clothes he wore were from the 60"S in a baby poop yellow dominated wardrobe which completely washed out his light completion. A week after we met he invited me for coffee. then dinner and the rest is history. He was everything I asked for on my list plus 10 other things humbling me to remember that God knows me better than I know myself. But the happy ending almost didn't happen. One month after we were engaged his ex wife came back into town and tried to split us up. I was ready to leave him, but he ask me if Id meet his family first. When we got there all his family was there 3 bro, one sis, his dad, and a few cousins . I told his sister in law he was seeing his ex wife again and I was planning to leave him , because I didn't think he was going to stop seeing her. I reminded him how many times she had sone this to him and once she got rid of me, shed leave him again, and I might just be gone, but it was his choice. Well none of his family liked his ex wife ,and they were very nice people, but they loved my husband and didn't want to see him go back to her. so both sister in laws approach ed me from the side and said, we don't want you to go. and we guarantee if you marry him this weekend, he will be faithful to you. So every body talked to every body, long story short we got married in one weekend, and thats a story for another time. because the amount of coincidences that happened that weekend were just too many to count.
My husband isn't a dominate man he's a masculine man and I have to say I wouldn't mind it at all if he chased me around the room and kissed me like that sometime, might be great foreplay.
besides all that (with the exception of "the hanging tree" )with Gary Cooper and Carl Maldan, I think this was one of Gary coopers and Patricia o'neals best role together, Cooper protested when they told him O'neal was playing his leading lady , but somewhere along the line they fell in love while the movie was being made and had a 3 year romance. Patricia O'neal was only 22 years old in this movie. This movie kind of reminds me of the song" theres a thin line between love and hate" Incidentally if you've never seen the hanging tree, you've missed out. Look up the theme song ,
its really done well, almost as good as "a long hot summer. Love Jimme Rogers, what a voice.
Carrol Moore Wait, just what are you trying to say?
If you read her entire post, it can only mean that she 'corralled' you with 'more'.
I'm sorry, can you repeat that?
Ah 'makeup sex' is the best!
Lol what the hell just happened
It's not a romance novel, friend.
Roark looks a bit aged compared to the book
Perhaps this should be remade
Bale does better with bad or screwed up caracters. Have you seen his Batman? It stunk on ice.
Even though I don't like Clooney, I think he's the only moviestar today who could do a good Roark.
I actually didn't realize it was supposed to be funny, I thought she was just trying to frustrate Roark. The rape scene was a bit more graphic in the book. I made a parody of the book just to amuse myself, I haven't seen the movie yet. ua-cam.com/video/GHWKVS6wP1s/v-deo.html
I hate the way she cries. That's not Dominique Francon, and this isn't how it was supposed to happen.
Why must the film industry butcher every book they get their hands on?
Because you can't get six-hundred pages of rock-solid verbage into a 90-minute movie. Duh!
@@montigobearBy "verb(i)age", you surely meant "garbage": no?
@Xtro2005 Ah, just like Bill Ayers.
Also look at the concept of rational self-interest, which means being a selfish pig with no consideration anyone else or the outcome of his actions.
Hahaha, barely even comes close to the fact that he raped her. I still wish I could get a hold of this film.
Dominique should have gone for Pasquale Orsini and become the wife of an academic who, according to his Wikipedia page, "is an Italian paleographer, librarian, and Professor from Università di Catania-Siracusa."
Am... I suppose to like our main hero after watching this?
angelina jolie (who is perfect) is confirmed to play dagny if atlas is indeed to be made which i doubt. i mean how the hell will john galts speech be in a movie.
drugs? howard mustve slipped her something
I disagree. Women such as Katherine Hepburn, Lauren Bacall, Ingrid Bergman and Bette Davis played far stronger female leads than most that you will see today. This movie does not represent its time.
What the movie protests is theft.
Okay supposedly shes like my aunt or something.
Coop can't act even when struck in the face with a whip.
In the doorstop book, this confrontation takes up just a few lines and the 'whip' is just a small branch from a tree.
They should remake this movie and have Roark work for Donald Trump, and he is mad because Trump changed the design of the tower he designed so be blows up Trump Tower - while it is full of guests...
You should know that this movie is pro-terrorism.
She disciplines ???
... and later she lies down at the man's feet - a few times :)
... same here. i thought he'd be... well. they could had done better with casting.
Go read some more Marx
I didn't think the movie would be as awful as the book, but I was wrong.
Barbara Stanwyck must have seen this as a blessing in disguise. She campaigned for the role of Dominique, but Rand didn't think she was sexy enough.
***** Why are you compelled to read/watch it, do you think?
I wasn't compelled to do anything.
Merely curious.
Methinks you protest too much for a genuinely curious person ie: one who possesses an inquiring bent of mind - if you were sincere you could only find praise for the ideas/concepts that Miss Rand developed and articulated so well.
Rob Sinclaire, are you on drugs or something?
i am exactly at this point in the book. and i have to say just by this scene alone, i can tell this movie is garbage. that's too bad.
I don't know what women saw in Gary Cooper. His acting was awkward. He always looks like he is suffering through the scene.
Off-screen, Cooper was more life-like and he wasn't so 'wooden' around real-life women.
Most boring and stupid book I ever started reading was Atlas Shrugged. If you can finish, give yourself a pat on the back and go have an ice cream.