Dream! Dude, this change was horrible, the playstyle got double hit, less special and dmg got fuck. Am taking a long break from Destiny, hope that thenlower % of players using bows make them rethink this change
Can't hear the audio track so idk if he mentions it but gutshot only works when you ads the bow and then draw it. Very annoying concept and shows they just slapped on the perk unchanged from how it works for other guns without thinking about that you usually pre-draw a bow and then ads.
For starts I will say I loved your video. I main bows and specifically I always mained two exotic bows: trinity ghoul and Ticuu. Ticu is definitely easier to use and has a godly play style. Being able to hip fire almost instantly and follow up with a precision shot, it in my opinion currently holds the fastest TTK for bows in terms of mechanics. You get two enemies near each other with a hip fire and if you head shot you can kill them both. I loved using hip fire mid air followed by blink to blink behind an enemy and head shot them for easy kill. But I still think my favorite is trinity ghoul. It is definitely risk and reward. You need either dragon shadow armor to boost handling, or every arc bow mod you could think of to increase its aiming down sights and aim. Once you do this though…oh man. Trinity ghouls intrinsic perk is not nerfed. It allows arrows to hit for 151 damage in pvp with lightning arrows. You can proc lightning arrows from any arc kill while the both is out and if there are two guardians next to each other…the enemy you directly hit with all three arrows will instantly die in 1 shot. After that enemy dies, any other enemy that was near that guardian, even if they are behind cover…shoot the arrows at the ground near them to finish them off. Trinity Ghoul is the ultimate risk and reward Bow and hands down still the best.
Yeah I've been trying to get the deadeye title and guys like this have made my life so much better (also forced me, a casual, to get competent with a lot of weapons which is great). I've only got sidearm, trace rifle, and LFR left.
I think Bungie made a nerf to Bows because they thought it would be too oppressive when they made changes to special weapons but in fact it did the exact opposite.
Lymphobia with disruption break has grown on me. Break shield and they take extra kinetic damage so then I swap to rose or last word to clean up. I either go with bow gauntlets or lucky pants
If I calculated correctly, a Lightweight bow headshots should be able to break shields with 5 res or under after the buff which means that Lethophobia with Disruption Break can kill with 1 head 1 body. It's not much when so many are running 10 res but at least something.
What are your thoughts on Pre Astyanax IV Adept and it being the only bow that can reach a 540 draw time with the adept mod? The draw of a lightweight with the accuracy and impact of a precision.
What about biting winds? that used to be number one in PvP if you Able to get melee kill you get 5x swashbuckler and it would make it a 1 shot headshot. Is this no longer the case? I no longer play Destiny 2 but I remember farming the biting winds God roll for about a year and finally got it. I was going to come back to the game but if this is no longer the case I'm not coming back
@@Geist7920 wow why would they nerf bows. You actually had to be really skilful in order to make them a decent weapon in The crucible. Why will they nerf that?
I adore Tyranny of Heaven, but I feel like in the new sandbox Tripwire Canary comes out on top (with the Ambush perk helping out too) with Archer's Tempo and Opening Shot. Doesn't feel like there was any change at all when using that.
@@Geist7920 I usually cough when firing it so I don't have to fire it. Another roll worth checking out is Arsenic Bite with Archer's Tempo and Moving Target. I do love Veist bows and because Lunalata is a big heap of doo doo, Arsenic bite has always won through, especially on Bakris builds where you can quickly shift and get the shot off. Though weirdly I have more kills on my dragonfly one than the one with the better perks.
I got the stasis bow pattern but I never felt grinding it. However, if it is the only bow that can give me the same satisfaction. Then I shall do it. Okay so I got interested and looked into builds I could do. If I use radiant dodge. I can get two body again AND noble deeds activated. The reload speed would be excellent to secure kills. You have 10 damage of wiggle room so really you can only go oathkeepers for exotic. Since accuracy nerf, I would actually try to maintain accuracy and handling. I’m trying to figure out if there is a knife that can combo with a body from the bow but I cannot find a place which talks about knives damage values for pvp. Overall I’m thinking that this build has promise.
Certainly an option. I did not really go into builds just the bow itself BUT ticuus fits into so many things. Anything that gets you a bump in damage let's ticuus body so yep
@@Geist7920 like radiant for hunter... just sow Hynra video, guy is just in another level. You can nerf bows even more an the guy is still insane with them. Anyway thanks for the video. This nerf really pisses me off because bow users were at 4% and mechanicaly speaking are amazing in Destiny the feel so good. Its just good to hear the opinion on another great bow player, it helps me with the frustration. If you have any vids about builds, how to or something related, please do. Love the commentary videos
Let’s make it a goal to see how much more bow hate we can generate especially with Ticcus 😂😂😂😂😂. Since I mained it a week ago I’ve get teabagged more than ever 😂😂😂 by opponents.
Imo wish ender should get a catalyst for what you described, so keep true sight but keep the window small like it currently is BUT if u put the cat on you lose the true sight all together BUT in exchange you get faster draw time same damage though.
@thatoneguy6736 it's as good as its ever been IF you hit all headshots. They need a rework. All bows at this point. Leaving them in this state is a tragedy
I quit Destiny like a year ago cus of the bow nerf overall, I've been using bows since forsaken and it was the only playstyle and enjoyed the most. I cameback and they are even worse now. I probably have 30k kills on bows just in crucible.
Really disheartening trying out bows after the update. Seeing that lightweights and precision do basically the same damage seems like they didn’t play test at all.
Personally I think Monarque is useless in the current sandbox. You can essentially make a legendary version of Monarque with Under Your Skin so why would I waste the exotic slot?? Lemon is still the best feeling bow to me but in terms of sheer performance, there’s no point in equipping it
@@asianboi000001 lemon with poison does basically the same damage as a precision frame and the catalyst gives you unrelenting. Under your skin is void, can get the same draw time as lemon, and can roll with unrelenting + explosive head/dragon fly.
Nobodies really Brought it up - but - One of the things that made me really frustrated is how they nerfed oathkeepers interaction (and that’s about it.) with WishEnder - the gauntlets are literally Meant for the bow stylistically and it’s not like we haven’t gotten exotics (boots of the assembler) that have synergy’s with specific exotic weapons. I mean at least something - because oathkeepers were designed around WishEnder
I used Ticcus for the first time about two months ago. Btw. I only been playing about a year. I suck I got 25 kills or something in 6s the first time. And completed the catalyst in two days…. Just from playing crucible. It probably took me from a .1 to a .3 KD.
Ticuu is more of an annoyance to the opposition than an effective bow. Honestlty bows are just bad now in PvP. When I get the bounty from Shaxx its an immediate delete. I feel like its a good that bows have been addressed. Especially with the meta now being hand holding and hiding behind doorways. The game needs to foce people out of their hidey holes and into some engagements. Team shooting will kill PvP.
Counterpoint: Biting winds rolls with Moving target in 3rd column for a +10 aim assist while aiming as well as bonus movement speed for peeking and strafing. It also has swashbuckler in 4th which will 1 tap headshot if you get a melee kill. Slap on a freehand grip and oathkeepers and you're good to go.
This was nerfed. Because of the reduced bow damage, the only bow capable of 1 tapping now is trinity goul. When trinity ghouls intrinsic perk is active (lightning arrows) it is using pre nerfed damage. Because of this when you hit two or more enemies (impacting one directly) or when you hit one enemy with a 10% damage buff, you can one that specific enemy.
As a bow swap main, wishender never clicked for me. Its just wayyyyy to slow. Even before all the nerfs to bows. Still couldnt use it for swapping. But then again it is a me problem as i play way to aggressive to use Wishender 🤣 lemonarque is still king for swapping. Since it does extra damage from the poison. Accuracy on the damn thing is still the best out of all the bows. Hits crits that were no where near a head to be a crit lmao
My Voice Recording caught this in mono for some reason so You might wanna watch this one on a speaker not headset sorry
Bro what about trinity ghoul? Do you know about the secret tech? getaway artist plus lightningsurge to start the pain train -. -
Ticuu has grown on me a lot, too. It's especially nasty when you partner up with another Ticuu user(s). Not to mention the incoming 6% incoming buff.
It's cheesy in my opinion but no judge do you
Buff should help kill fresh revives
Also wanted add, if you hip fire a lot impulse amp makes a world of difference.
"Brings the aim assist up to 69, which is nice" yeah geist that is "very nice" 😉
Sup dream! When are we gonna duo ticuu? I tried it out with another buddy and it was very cheesy. :D
SOMEBODY caught it lol
Dream! Dude, this change was horrible, the playstyle got double hit, less special and dmg got fuck. Am taking a long break from Destiny, hope that thenlower % of players using bows make them rethink this change
the goat has landed
Thanks for the video and time invested in the test.
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Gutshot Straight seems bugged. Even though it does over 230 damage with a headshot and gutshot, it does not kill a T10 guardian. Try it out.
Probably rounding. It likely does something like 229.3 together but in-game always rounds up so it would add to 230.
@@RikiazGaming sounds plausible until u sum up the unrounded dmg numbers and realize it shoild be 132
I will say this. are you using oath?
Can't hear the audio track so idk if he mentions it but gutshot only works when you ads the bow and then draw it.
Very annoying concept and shows they just slapped on the perk unchanged from how it works for other guns without thinking about that you usually pre-draw a bow and then ads.
For starts I will say I loved your video. I main bows and specifically I always mained two exotic bows: trinity ghoul and Ticuu. Ticu is definitely easier to use and has a godly play style. Being able to hip fire almost instantly and follow up with a precision shot, it in my opinion currently holds the fastest TTK for bows in terms of mechanics. You get two enemies near each other with a hip fire and if you head shot you can kill them both. I loved using hip fire mid air followed by blink to blink behind an enemy and head shot them for easy kill. But I still think my favorite is trinity ghoul. It is definitely risk and reward. You need either dragon shadow armor to boost handling, or every arc bow mod you could think of to increase its aiming down sights and aim. Once you do this though…oh man. Trinity ghouls intrinsic perk is not nerfed. It allows arrows to hit for 151 damage in pvp with lightning arrows. You can proc lightning arrows from any arc kill while the both is out and if there are two guardians next to each other…the enemy you directly hit with all three arrows will instantly die in 1 shot. After that enemy dies, any other enemy that was near that guardian, even if they are behind cover…shoot the arrows at the ground near them to finish them off. Trinity Ghoul is the ultimate risk and reward Bow and hands down still the best.
Glad you enjoy it. Hopefully they bring them back a bit. This nerf was far too heavy handed
Just because you made a video on bows in PVP I'm subbing 😅💯📈
Yeah I've been trying to get the deadeye title and guys like this have made my life so much better (also forced me, a casual, to get competent with a lot of weapons which is great). I've only got sidearm, trace rifle, and LFR left.
I appreciate it!
I think Bungie made a nerf to Bows because they thought it would be too oppressive when they made changes to special weapons but in fact it did the exact opposite.
I honestly don't know what they were thinking. They took one of the least used primaries and made them severely worse than all the others
@Geist7920 exactly. Rarely in the crucible do you ever see a player use a bow, so why male the nerf? I cannot grasp their concept..
Lymphobia with disruption break has grown on me. Break shield and they take extra kinetic damage so then I swap to rose or last word to clean up. I either go with bow gauntlets or lucky pants
If I calculated correctly, a Lightweight bow headshots should be able to break shields with 5 res or under after the buff which means that Lethophobia with Disruption Break can kill with 1 head 1 body.
It's not much when so many are running 10 res but at least something.
Also Radiant or 3x Weapon Surges should be enough to break shields at 10 res although they require some setup
well said, i agree on everypoint, shoutout to the frostee rediant build for ticcus that 1 body shot to th body with the explosion
What’s the build?
@@sonnyprent6368 frosteez, radiant hunter dodge and ticuus. Sprint around and spam it for body kills. It ruins my fashion so I don't like it lol
I took my Adept whistler’s whim to the lighthouse after the changes. That bow is my vote. It was Cauldron week.
Def a good one just doesn't beat tyrannys sights for me
As a pve bow main. Hard to beat the trails one with kill clip, and I agree snap shot is great. Makes biting wind feel buttery!
What are your thoughts on Pre Astyanax IV Adept and it being the only bow that can reach a 540 draw time with the adept mod? The draw of a lightweight with the accuracy and impact of a precision.
It's my second pick for best legendary precision based on stats yes
Was literally just looking for this (even though I can already guess the answer).
The one that shoots arrows
Ok so what is the bow reload cap i thought it was 60 but i was confused cause monarque with a catalyst has 70 so is it 60 or higher?
You can get a higher reload stat than 60, but it doesn't make a difference to the animation.
80 is the cap currently
It depends on the multiplier. The cap is 0.6 SECONDS. Check D2Foundry how to hit it (which traits and mods combo).
@Maniactiger so basically bungie would have to change the animation for it to matter
What about biting winds? that used to be number one in PvP if you Able to get melee kill you get 5x swashbuckler and it would make it a 1 shot headshot.
Is this no longer the case?
I no longer play Destiny 2 but I remember farming the biting winds God roll for about a year and finally got it.
I was going to come back to the game but if this is no longer the case I'm not coming back
No that's long gone
@@Geist7920 wow why would they nerf bows. You actually had to be really skilful in order to make them a decent weapon in The crucible. Why will they nerf that?
@@HeadShotMGOO listened to the whiners I guess
Subbed and liked, good video.
😁
I adore Tyranny of Heaven, but I feel like in the new sandbox Tripwire Canary comes out on top (with the Ambush perk helping out too) with Archer's Tempo and Opening Shot. Doesn't feel like there was any change at all when using that.
It's okay but it sounding like a trampoline made of rubber bands ruins it for me
@@Geist7920 I usually cough when firing it so I don't have to fire it. Another roll worth checking out is Arsenic Bite with Archer's Tempo and Moving Target. I do love Veist bows and because Lunalata is a big heap of doo doo, Arsenic bite has always won through, especially on Bakris builds where you can quickly shift and get the shot off. Though weirdly I have more kills on my dragonfly one than the one with the better perks.
Should probably Enhance Gutshot Straight. Apparently the enhanced version reduces the debuff to your target acquisition.
It seems bugged. Even though it does over 230 damage with a headshot and gutshot, it does not kill a T10 guardian.
It was when I first crafted it. I have swapped that perk around but don't use it enough to enhance it
I got the stasis bow pattern but I never felt grinding it. However, if it is the only bow that can give me the same satisfaction. Then I shall do it.
Okay so I got interested and looked into builds I could do. If I use radiant dodge. I can get two body again AND noble deeds activated. The reload speed would be excellent to secure kills. You have 10 damage of wiggle room so really you can only go oathkeepers for exotic. Since accuracy nerf, I would actually try to maintain accuracy and handling. I’m trying to figure out if there is a knife that can combo with a body from the bow but I cannot find a place which talks about knives damage values for pvp.
Overall I’m thinking that this build has promise.
Weighted knife will kill even after a lightweight body shot
Will be doing a build video on that subject next
What about ticus with arc souls or the void souls? Think that could give it a bit of forgiveness?
Certainly an option. I did not really go into builds just the bow itself BUT ticuus fits into so many things. Anything that gets you a bump in damage let's ticuus body so yep
@@Geist7920 like radiant for hunter... just sow Hynra video, guy is just in another level. You can nerf bows even more an the guy is still insane with them. Anyway thanks for the video. This nerf really pisses me off because bow users were at 4% and mechanicaly speaking are amazing in Destiny the feel so good. Its just good to hear the opinion on another great bow player, it helps me with the frustration. If you have any vids about builds, how to or something related, please do. Love the commentary videos
@patrickarraes4422 will be doing a build vid next on the same build hynra is using. Most others use it too
Whats the name of helmet and chest piece and how do you get them?
The chest is northlight from the dawning and the helmet is the mask of the taken king from the Ghosts of the Deep dungeon
God this reminded me of Hush, I miss that man
And the only pinnacle besides oxygen that hasn't come back now 🙃
Let’s make it a goal to see how much more bow hate we can generate especially with Ticcus 😂😂😂😂😂.
Since I mained it a week ago I’ve get teabagged more than ever 😂😂😂 by opponents.
Overall I've gotten less bags from it than wish ender or monarque at least
Going from Under Your Skin to Ticcu’s, I’ve definitely noticed a lot more teabagging too lol
Imo wish ender should get a catalyst for what you described, so keep true sight but keep the window small like it currently is BUT if u put the cat on you lose the true sight all together BUT in exchange you get faster draw time same damage though.
I would be for this.
Just let it 2 body and I will main it again lol
Surprised Adept Whispering Slab wasn't high up there.
Not a fan of the sights and gutshot is no good on a lw now sadly
@@Geist7920 oh that's good to know. Thanks man.
@@Geist7920what do you think of under your skin with two draw time perks?
@thatoneguy6736 it's as good as its ever been IF you hit all headshots. They need a rework. All bows at this point. Leaving them in this state is a tragedy
I quit Destiny like a year ago cus of the bow nerf overall, I've been using bows since forsaken and it was the only playstyle and enjoyed the most. I cameback and they are even worse now. I probably have 30k kills on bows just in crucible.
May handcannons and shotguns reign supreme. 🎉
They deserve a rework
Really disheartening trying out bows after the update. Seeing that lightweights and precision do basically the same damage seems like they didn’t play test at all.
Agree
It was an egregious nerf to be sure
I suck at PvP so I spent the last year learning a bow, only to have it nerfed oblivion. What now Glaives?
They will fix it. They HAVE to fix it.
@@Geist7920 I would be happy if a precision bow could kill with one precision and one body vs the two body it did before.
Personally I think Monarque is useless in the current sandbox. You can essentially make a legendary version of Monarque with Under Your Skin so why would I waste the exotic slot?? Lemon is still the best feeling bow to me but in terms of sheer performance, there’s no point in equipping it
How can I make under your skin like lemon?
@@asianboi000001 probably means dragonfly for the aoe. I can't think of much else.
@@Geist7920 oh ok. Appreciate the reply. Love the vids
@@asianboi000001 lemon with poison does basically the same damage as a precision frame and the catalyst gives you unrelenting. Under your skin is void, can get the same draw time as lemon, and can roll with unrelenting + explosive head/dragon fly.
@@aceventure101 that’s interesting.
Nobodies really Brought it up - but - One of the things that made me really frustrated is how they nerfed oathkeepers interaction (and that’s about it.) with WishEnder - the gauntlets are literally Meant for the bow stylistically and it’s not like we haven’t gotten exotics (boots of the assembler) that have synergy’s with specific exotic weapons. I mean at least something - because oathkeepers were designed around WishEnder
Wish and oath both need a rework in my opinion
100% ahhhh truth and sadnessssss
I crafted two tyranny of heavens one for PvE and one for PVP and both of them slay.
It's a good one
I used Ticcus for the first time about two months ago. Btw. I only been playing about a year. I suck
I got 25 kills or something in 6s the first time. And completed the catalyst in two days….
Just from playing crucible. It probably took me from a .1 to a .3 KD.
It's definitely good for kd just because at base you easily tag everyone
I’m not ordering TFS but will still drop into PVP ( taking break from Helldiving ) and blow up guardians
Do it
How come there are so few bow videos as of recently for destiny 2 because I love the bows but I never get to see the best players use em😂
I still make pretty much only bow videos
Bro you need to fix the audio on this video
Issue is fixed for future vids.
I cant ever get into bows in this game - maybe i never invested the time to get good with them especially in crucible 😂
Not too worth it at the moment anyway sadly
Ticuu is more of an annoyance to the opposition than an effective bow. Honestlty bows are just bad now in PvP. When I get the bounty from Shaxx its an immediate delete. I feel like its a good that bows have been addressed. Especially with the meta now being hand holding and hiding behind doorways. The game needs to foce people out of their hidey holes and into some engagements. Team shooting will kill PvP.
At this point I'm just playing like a madman with ticuus and trying to be the wrecking ball. Break up the hand holding
Voice only on the right ear feels terrible XD
Yeah the one time I mess that up like that the video pops off of course
@@Geist7920 Bro I swear that’s a natural law XDD
Damn lookin like a baddie in the thumbnail... chill bro my girl is on this app
Lmao
I want new kinetic bows
Yep. I miss spiteful fang
Counterpoint: Biting winds rolls with Moving target in 3rd column for a +10 aim assist while aiming as well as bonus movement speed for peeking and strafing. It also has swashbuckler in 4th which will 1 tap headshot if you get a melee kill. Slap on a freehand grip and oathkeepers and you're good to go.
This was nerfed. Because of the reduced bow damage, the only bow capable of 1 tapping now is trinity goul. When trinity ghouls intrinsic perk is active (lightning arrows) it is using pre nerfed damage. Because of this when you hit two or more enemies (impacting one directly) or when you hit one enemy with a 10% damage buff, you can one that specific enemy.
No more one taps sadly
As a bow swap main, wishender never clicked for me. Its just wayyyyy to slow. Even before all the nerfs to bows. Still couldnt use it for swapping. But then again it is a me problem as i play way to aggressive to use Wishender 🤣 lemonarque is still king for swapping. Since it does extra damage from the poison. Accuracy on the damn thing is still the best out of all the bows. Hits crits that were no where near a head to be a crit lmao
Try wish with stars and shadow I promise it's super stupid
>>>>>
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